New 2020 Honda Africa Twin 1100 Review (CRF1100L)
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3k too expensive? With Honda's known reliability, low cost maintenance and a peace of mind that in the next ten years my motorcycle will start every morning -that's a small price too pay.
@Quinn Dang Triumph's reliability is questionable, don't spin lies. www.advpulse.com/adv-news/triumph-issues-recall-on-2018-2020-tiger-1200-models/
I had a 2017 twin , Honda’s reliability is dead the bike was awful
@@ollie2sik fake news
Honda and electrics,so bad,you'd think they're Italian? Mate's son just fried his Honda loom and clocks,360miles from new,so it just like any aged Honda...by a Suzuki if planning longterm ownership!
Thanks for a good honest review - and the focus on comparison with the realistic alternatives. It's refreshing.
Cheers RD!
Total miles was 666, yo! All the details correct. To double confirm this I have already done few thousand miles on it. Got following original accessories exactly as you listed: heated grips, hand guard extensions, tall screen, and engine guards, this added an extra grand to the bike price BUT... it is much more beautiful than the rest of the crew, and stands out as one of the bad ass Honda crafts. Especially the black version
As a very experienced (IE: old) rider I’d love a fully farkled “Africa Twin” that’s biased for street and off pavement. I don’t really want a heavy bike for single track riding, do want the ergos of an adventure bike. And, even after I tried and disliked my initial trials with the DCT, I’ve been convinced that it’s starting to deliver on its potential. Well done Honda! Now, it’s back to the darknet to sell that kidney; hope they don’t find out “gently used” really means it’s almost 70 years old.
Having just spend a few days at the Honda Off road Adventure centre in Somerset on an Africa Twin CRF1100 i can confirm it is certainly capable of off road adventure riding and even for an absolute beginner like myself and certainly inspires confidence in your and it's capabilities. I agree the USB port is poorly located and having looked at but not used the cruise control I would likely agree about poor placement. I instantly felt at home sitting what felt in the bike rather than perched on the bike which helped inspire confidence in having full control in a new (off-road) environment. Having covered 100 miles off road approx and having only one tumble at the start I left the journey feeling that the bike is perfect for what it is designed for and getting back onto my "now heavy feeling" GS1200 to make the 700 mile journey home has left me wondering if I "need" to change my current choice of bike.
Great and concise review MOTOBOB. well done.
Did you end up getting a Africa Twin ?
@@TC-iz6xe not at this time, I still have the GSA and have been using that off road…it’s good at doing what it does but it’s much heavier so when you lose your balance you struggle to keep it upright. Still great fun though….a few clutch levers later 😂
Excellent review, lot of work went your video and it shows. Great points you make and reasons why I sold my AT and now ride a GS. Still love the AT though.
Cheers!
I would say the Honda delivers in areas outside of the spec sheet, like how it handles, weight centralization, reliability, wide dealer networks, being the only bike manufacturer to offer DCT.
I have a 2019 AT and love it, despite its shortcomings. One issue that would stop me upgrading is the poor quality of some components and constant battle against corrosion of some parts. I struggle to see how the the engineers that produce that lovely engine, allow the bean counters to finish it with poor quality fittings. The fancy screen and Apple Play is not important for me as I concentrate 100% on where I'm going. I agree about price/spec and before I bought another, I might be considering a shaft drive bike. Honda will have to be as commercial as the market dictates. You started to sound like a salesman but did get the balance right at the conclusion IMHO. Thank you>
I rode one of these for a couple of hours and really liked it, great handling, sound and motor. If you want a DCT then the only choice is Honda and I love DCT. The display is better than the Tiger, but you are right that the base bike is too expensive. I haven't tried the Tiger 900 yet but it sounds like a really nice bike from the reviews I have seen.
Honest review
Dude......Honest Review and quite practical....negatives of a product matter a lot than all the positives that are already mentioned in the brochure. A short and a to the point review. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Better you go for the Adventure Sports. Comes with heated grips und proper handguards. With electronic suspension it is nearly as complete as a GS, the power -on the other hand the bike is 20 kg lighter. The bike is much easier to handle - specially on gravel- than the Tiger 800 i owned before. And Apple Carplay is a nice feature that works reliable. On my Triumph scrambler 1200 they didn’t get the MyThriumph App started for a whole season.... Quick shifter? The Tiger 800 and the AT gearboxes are perfekt, they don‘t need pulling the clutch when you are in motion for shifting gears
Good, honest review: You are just about the only vlogger who bothers to mention how the VFM stacks up.
If you consider DCT than there is no compitition, also people say that if you are new rider DCT works very well for you and bikes does not stall in off road which is a major issue while off roading.
Secondly in India Honda tops the realibility factor. Also it's maintenance is very cheap compared to other brands which will cover up higher cost you pay initially over a period of time. Parts availability and service is major issue for Triumph according to oweners here.
Mr.Bob is back once again ❤️ love from india
I very much enjoy your demeanor during your reviews.
Great review, real life and comparison with Triumph all in one. Good one....Grettings from Vstrom 1000 XT rider.
Cheers SW! Really keen to try out the 1050 Vstrom this year 👍
An honest review, I was considering buying an Africa Twin DCT but I will definitely be looking at the Triumph 900.
Another good review, honest and precise, with examples from other bikes for comparisons.
In Italy the base model can be had for €13600 with a genuine top box and high screen. The rally pro is still around €15500 with a discount included. Honda's always come with a 4 year guarantee Vs standard 2 years of triumph, BMW, KTM. I'd go AT 1100.
Came here to learn about the Africa Twin, left searching for a Tiger 900
Great review. My take on the AT is similar; I didnt think it was as nice as the Ducati Multi 1200 or 1260, and for the price you could get a 1-2 year old Triumph Tiger or a slightly older R1200GS. Honestly, I'd like to check out that Honda VFR 1200X, and once this pandemic is over I'd like to check out that Guzzi V85TT; I think that Guzzi may fit right in the price/power range I'd want for an ADV bike.
Anyway, glad to see new content from you MB! Hope all is well!
Sending MAD love to all of our friends across the pond! Be safe, friends!
Agreed, I was super hyped on the AT but started looking around and fell in love with the VFR1200X.
Hard to forget that tiger900
The new Tiger 900 is the no brainer taken in spec and price.
Apples and oranges mate.
have a seat please How so?
I'd probably go for the Triumph Rally Pro since it's better set up for off road exploration, which is what you buy an Adventure bike for. Used my 1982 Triumph Tiger Trail 750 for that - it was a hoot.
price is high no doubt, but it's the most able off roader of the three you mentioned,
Trouble is its being judged as a £13k bike. I have just bought the base model and paid £10k brand new for cash. Thats at least 3k (maybe more like £5k) less than a GS and probably £2.5k less than the Triumph 900 rally. Buy the Africa Twin and an old Aprilia RSV for track day kicks for the price of the competition.
Another good honest review. Tiger 900 still top of my list.
@mike brink i ride my honda to the world and back while your triumph sleeps in your garage all the time
Africa Twin is actually one of my all time favourite bikes, especially in the blue, red and white colour scheme. Also a fan of a Honda reliability (current Honda owner) but the Triumph gets my vote this time for cost vs spec.
spot on. i test rode the Africa twin and tiger 900 and back to back and came to the same conclusion. needless to say. a tiger 900 rally pro sits in my garage now. :)
Envious! Hope you get to enjoy it some time soon 👍
@@motobob Oh no mate! we're not on full lock down in sweden yet, i took it out a couple hours ago :) ride everyday still ;)
Good choice when you don't need the off-road capabilities of the CFR1100. Between the both of them I prefer the looks of the new Tiger (subjective I know).
have a seat please how'd you figure? Id prefer the engine on the tiger. And tiger has imo way better suspension and brakes. Also, lifting it a couple times? Id rather do that with the tiger.
Where a lot of bikes are falling short now a days, PRICE! People cant justify paying nearly as much for a bike as they would a car. I guarantee there is a huge drop off on sales of all bikes once they get over $10-12k.
Agree.. $20,000 for a Honda. No Way
@@MagicAyrtonforever well honda is a good brand but not for a bike. Even Harleys sales are dropping off bad. I mean Ducati isn't premium brand and they still are selling their 200 plus horsepower streetfighter v4s less than $20k and it offers a lot of tech and performance. Harley dont offer nothing for the price other than just looks and it's no longer justifiable. Indian about to head in the same direction as well.
Excellent, unbiased piece of journalism again Rob. Although some people may think that your paid by triumph sometimes.... 😅
I wish I was mate!
Simple. Country of origin is why you get more from Triumph. It costs a lot more to manufacture in Japan than Thailand. Not saying Thailand Triumphs aren’t as good, I’m just saying they’re cheaper to assemble than a Honda in Japan. I’m always amazed this point is skipped when people review price/spec.
Great review! Money talks when it comes to these bikes. While I currently ride a Honda, I wouldn't buy one again if it meant I was overpaying by several thousand for the next one.
I THINK ITS ONLY GOOD IF YOU ARE GOING FOR THE DCT. . OTHERWISE ONE HAVE PLENTY IF OPTIONS.
That's a fair point - the DCT is something that no other adv bike can offer
Great review, great minds think alike, nice test route.
how often do you fix your triumph? cost of maintenance? answer me.
Different pricing for UK it seems ... in Australia they are around A$4400 cheaper than Tiger 900 Pro, so sell for under GBP11,000 compared to the Tiger's GBP13,400 !
Theres one thing that alot bike reviewers dont mention the comfort of the seat.. Motorcycles these days dont have a decent comfortable seats like back in the day...
c'mon... the old (1993) Africa Twin was my first motorcycle... went on several trips with it - but never without my airhawk - had I gone up to norway from austria without it... I'd probably still stand in front of my pc now...
Excellent review, thank you.If it were shaft drive,I’d consider it, but would probably opt for the Yamaha Super Tenere 1200 ES, or the big Triumph 1200.
The BEST ALL ROUND bike ever.
Overpriced tho
@@heibaimao who said its overpriced?
Thank you for the honest video
The Adventure Sports cures all the "wanna have features"
Awesome bike
On top that the Honda quality is second to none
Concise, informative and great comparison drawn between the range from Honda and Triumph. You make sound arguments toward buying the Triumph !! Thanks again MotoBob :)
Excellent points. Honda are starting to act like they're a premium brand but the only truly premium bike they make is the Goldwing. Perhaps the new TrippleR? But, only a handful of people are gonna buy those.
Yeah, I think the Africa twin adventure sports is a better comparison to that tiger you mentioned
The Rally Pro is the off-roader though. And the same price?
@@motobob yeah the off-road triumph really does pack alot for the price...
Tiger900 rally price in US is $2700 more than the standard africa twin. I understand it has more amenities but then you have to ride a bike that looks like the tiger. I rather pay more or have fewer amenities to not do so.
Thanks, I'll be buying the 🐅🐯🐅
@4:42 it’s not a “four pot” hence why it’s called the Africa “Twin”..
A good honest review. Cheers!
Great perspective. If you 're looking to buy watch this 1st. :-)
As you know Honda sells some bikes in some markets but not all. I watched a youtube video yesterday all Honda bikes with crossrunner, crosstourer, Africa twin models I had never seen before, a "Touring africa twin" Why are almost all motorcycles introduced in Europe? None of the models are for sale at Honda dealers other than Europe so far on my search , I want that touring model A twin. Regards.
13k!? That’s really pushing it. Whereabouts was that road with the puddles? Cheers.
Cliffe nature reserve. Good fun but my feet were soaked. It was a cold ride home...
if this guy can be a motorcycle reviewer anybody can.
I believe every road test of Euro5 bike I've seen has stated the ABS can no longer be disabled, yet you say that this one can be. Can you clarify please? 'Loving your stuff BTW.
You can only disable it in off-road mode. Perhaps that's how they got around it?
@@motobob Even then, I'm surprised. 'Watched a a test of one of the big Honda sports bikes the other day on a track, in Spain I think, and they said that they could no longer disable ABS in track mode for that reason.
@@peterihoy4908 i have a tiger 900 rally pro. in off road pro mode abs is off.
I’m fed up with Honda in more ways than one. The road biased bike (adventure sport) is a behemoth. Ok, it comes fully equipped, but I’m not sure I want to lug that much weight around. The off-road biased bike, on the other hand, has limited flexibility to add panniers, making it less desirable if you want a touring bike. I don’t understand why Honda have been so rigid on this.
hello sir
thanks for reviewing the AT, though it has not been launched here, it helps narrow down the options.
While you are it, can u do a review about the xadv?
thank you.
I’ve got one on loan from Honda right now - it’s in the garage. But until the lockdown is over I can’t really get out on it :/
@@motobob yeah i know, hoping this pandemic ends. We are waiting for 2020 1100 AT here and your review helps a lot. The price might be the deal breaker as it reaches the GS price category. I'm a XADV owner and I must say it always gives me the smile, will wait for your review. Stay well and safe.
Bought my 2016 Africa Twin DCT on an impulse and regretted it. Mainly ride in town and twisties at the weekend. Found the bike cumbersome and the DCT was always in the wrong gear for me whatever mode I used - changed for a manual NC750X which is far more maneuverable in my opinion and although the stats don’t show it, it has plenty of grunt - 20km/h in 3rd gear accelerating up to 100 without any fuss. Plus you feel part of the bike whereas the AT you seem perched on it.
Ok, I did not try the new one which in the Netherlands starts at €17,500 going up to north of €24,000 for the Adventure Sport DCT, which is out of my price range, but I do have to agree with your review, if I had this money to spend on a bike, would you buy an AT? If it involved a significant amount of off road use - maybe, but for 90% road use there are possibly better.
Does sound good though and that is seriously infectious!!!
what? were you blind folded while purchasing the big honda?
AT is way better at offroad than the triumph, if offroad is your game...?
A bit more comparison among other bikes would be appreciated
Great review!
Was that the GoPro session 5 you had strapped to your helmet
Do a comparison
what helmet is that? description doesn't point to right one
Very nice review...!!
Zero mention of Guzzi V85TT??
Top heavy? It needs cross-spoke wheels at this price. I used to have an XRV750 RD04. I'd rather have an AT than any Triumph. I wish they'd stick this 1100 engine in a super / hypermoto.
centre of gravity is lower on the tiger 900. - but its not very top heavy for being as big as it is. imo.
@@winterbreed Do you like it, Mike?
@@1990-t1j the tiger, a lot. real happy with my choice. haven't ridden in dirt for like 25 years, and this beast is confidence building for sure.
hay what drone do you use?
Tks.
DJI mavic mini
I own a 2018 AT (base model, manual clutch). How does the new model compare?
Some say the the 2018-19.models are great with less complexity than the 2020
stick with the 2018 AT, its a great bike. i only sold mine to get a 1250GS lol, the new AT wasnt doing it for me anymore.
More power,and better TFT screen,lower seat..it is just better..
I like your reviews but I think not going properly off road with this machine is a real shame. It's an absolute beast in the dirt and would leave the triumph that you're comparing it to in the dust. (Literally)
I'd have loved to have done more but with those tyres and the weather we were having, it'd have been on the floor and I'd have some explaining to do when I took it back to Honda!
Good review.
Agreed, it's 3k too expensive for what it is.
but you pay less on maintenance.
This bike for everyone, your height is short or tall. You can ride this bike. I love aficatwin
Read the comments below, sanko San is a Honda agent! Beware of salesman antics!
Tenere 700 lighter and more nimble thanks
Overpriced because Honda wants to compete 1200gs....but Honda, that s not what we Re asking. keep IT lower priced, simple, efficient, reliable and fun to drive... Like always.
You never got a good look at the BMW 1250 GS price ticket, that's for sure.
Price is ok for what you get ,a comfy bike whit Honda quality...here in Belgium the 1100 adventure with a few extra’s cost you 18500€; a bmw gs 1200 is 23 a 27 000 €
@@peterducodil9890 i am a Honda fan for son long. I believe price is Ok and less than BMw, yes. I just dont like thé fact Honda wants to compete with Bmw I terms of price (because for reliability they are already far better).
@@haveaseatplease what do you mean?
its not competing with the big GS or MS or KTM...it is low on power small engine its a bike on its own...
I don't think this bike was intended to compete with the triumph. I think that's the next AT mid-size. LoL at the medical equipment.
No-one EVER buys a base level GS!!!
Motor sounds quite bad on paper even compared to R1200GS' 125hp / 125 nm version.
I like the bike but the motor looks like a downgrade.
Not at all,the engine is very good,love the sound also
These things are 250kg and top heavy.
This is what worries me and a small side stand , no centre stand either - all seems a bit of a con to me....
"Eggs aust"
It’s egg sauce actually
Very nice review - honest opinion - no marketing mumbojumbo // like+sub
666 total miles
Ne seri...