Just wanted to drop a thank you for this review. Well balanced, with both good and bad points. :) Edited 29OCT20 *** The Jabiru has received a minor update bringing us from v1.1 to 1.2. The changelog is as follows; - Moment of inertia values further refined to reduce 'sluggishness' exhibited in v1.1 - Nosewheel steering adjusted. - Flaps now add additional lift and drag when deployed. - Autostart no longer automatically sets up aircraft to take-off condition. - Modifications to Bush Trip restrictions in line with MS Bush Trips. --- Version 1.1 has now dropped, and thanks to the feedback of Dave (NOTAM) and others, the following items are addressed; All aircraft - Refined stall warning horn to trigger at 16 degrees AoA. - Moment of interia values adjusted on roll and pitch. - Improved autopilot lateral capture. - Refined prop wash values. - Prohibited doors opening when airborne. - Refined roll effectiveness. - Reduced AI traffic values to reduce overpopulation. - Added missing flap motor audio. - Adjusted thumbnail brightness for clarity. - Auto-start and Auto-Shutdown functions now configure the aircraft appropriately. - Additional cameras added to pilot, instrument and showcase views. - Remastered audio for increased dynamic range. - Increased cockpit texture resolution for improved visuals. J170-C - Added Novawing24.com trim scheme. - Fixed unanimated rudder pedals. - Added missing J170-C placards to C model J170 paints. J170-D - Removed gyro audio. - Improved functionality of AS3X instrument. - Adjusted VH-DLB with new colours in line with new IRIS branding. J170-C/D - Fixed reversed compasses. - Improved landing light. - Added cockpit night lighting. Gippsland Tour Bushtrip - Relocated Lilydale start location. - Defaulted to Live Weather for additional challenge. --- Flight model has had SOME tweaks, but edge of the envelope behaviour is still an issue as we learn the new simulator flight model changes. More updates will come over time. :) Can't fault it really, if you're a Jabiru fan, or just want something to sightsee in, then it's a good plane IMO, though don't expect A2A. :D lol. Once again, thanks for the feedback.
@@sascenturion it's the least I can do. Reviews that give balanced unbiased opinions help us make better products...and in this case, point out flaws that we may not have been aware of. :)
This is a really great review! I'm going to buy this plane only because I've got about 20hrs of real time in both the 160/170, albeit tis been a few years. Looking forward to checking out the flight model but I'm a little concerned. I do recall that the Jabiru I flew was very difficult to stall. I vaguely recall my instructor saying it can vary from plane to plane suprisingly. If you want to see the Jabiru in action in real life I have about 15hrs of footage on my RUclips channel, including an episode on stalls. Looking forward to more of your reviews in future!
Thanks Romeo... just opened a tab. I've never had much interest in ultralights, but I seriously want to find one of these to fly... cool little aircraft.
I hated flying this thing.... I never liked the centre yoke (sure... it's a great trainer for schools) I hated it though. I wish my local school at YGAW had Slings or Sportcruisers or something of that nature.....
First off, I must say, your content is absolutely top notch! : ) Enjoyable, but also extremely informative. It seems like your opinions on the product broadly mirror my own, though perhaps coming at it from slightly different angles. Overall, I do think the package represents decent value for money, with all that’s included; variants, cockpits, bush trip (nice touch) etc. As you say, it isn’t groundbreaking, but for anyone with an interest in Jabiru aircraft, I think it’s a solid effort. I also think it’s probably ticking a lot of boxes for the market it’s trying to appeal to. I’m definitely someone who enjoys their high fidelity addons, but I have hopped back in this one a couple of times now, just for a bit of fun. IRIS Simulations also seem to be very humble and receptive to feedback, which is always great to see from a developer! I too was a bit unsure of the aircrafts roll response / inertia. I’m not really any the wiser now, as I’ve heard mixed feedback from a few Jabiru drivers. Some saying the flight model looks reasonable, others not so much. Ultimately I expect reality lies somewhere in the middle. . . Anyway, great vid once again! Really enjoying the channel : )
Dave, I already complimented both the form and content of your King Air video on Avsim, but I just wanted to say here that I really appreciated the respect for your users' time that you showed with your "OK, the review part is done now" comment in this video. That sort of respect is something that is desperately lacking amongst the many content creators who seem to operate on the assumption that they own your time and you'll happily let them waste it. For that, if nothing else, I have subscribed. (Your content is pretty good, too. :D ) Keep it up!
Thanks Rob, appreciate the kind words. Its always a tough balance between getting the appropriate amount of content and information out while still getting to the point. Doesn't help that everyone will have a different opinion on this. Some say why can't you just give us the conclusion while the next group will say how did you arrive at that conclusion, but clearly all the non relevant information doesn't belong. I can't stand being 5 minutes into a video where they haven't even touched on the reason I'm there. Thanks for the kind words.
The importance of realistic sounds is underestimated. When flying I listen to the engine so I know the correct RPM. When landing I fly only by the sound since the focus is on the runway. Good review
I have a little over 100 hours on the J160 (I’ve actually flown the exact aircraft reg at the end of the video!). From my experience, most of your observations are spot on, except for the fuel pump functionality which I believe someone else already pointed out. Great review as always!
A very interesting aircraft. I got this notification while on my lunch break so I wasn't buzzed watching this video 😂 But thank you for the review and I hope this plane makes progress before it hits the marketplace. I'm partial to steam gauges regardless of aircraft model imho
Thanks for the review, while I felt the Jabiru was being damned by feint praise all the way through, it matched my concerns especially to the most important aspect for me which is the flight model. Being an A2A customer for both FSX and P3D, I was hoping for a small GA touring plane for the low and slow sight seeing that flew realistically. With the information provided, I will pass and watch to see if future revisions provide a realistic flight experience.
There us no differential braking on the Jab. It has essentially a hand brake forward of the yoke next to the trim. The 160 is pretty precise. The 170 is much slower in roll. I think ill get it. I hope the flight model gets better. It stalls quite gently. Sorry if this is toooo long. :)
I love it when I see another NOTAM review pop-up on my feed. Your advanced preparations, and research, before each review video always come through. There is always a calm, sincere and knowledge backed approach to your voiceover which makes me sit up and pay attention to your points. Always fair, good and bad, and you don't just criticize to be shocking or mean...you actually hope that these developers will listen to feedback and improve their products. Keep them coming...
Great honest review which was very well balanced. I am buying this becasue it does look fun and IRIS coming back to you in comments with thanks and are addressing the issues just shows that they are invested in the sim community who buy there product. Thank you
A bit of both. I record voice while recording in sim to ensure I don't make a mistake on what's happening and what I was thinking. Then in post production I'd say I do a voiceover my initial voice recording for anywhere between 40-80% of it (depending on how much I was drinking while recording) :) Should probably stop the drinking... might reduce my post time and improve my flying, lol.
Can’t remember just how much I have spent over the years on good looking mediocre GA aircraft. Flew them once or twice then forgot about them. Now the Hotstart TBM over on X-Plane, well, that’s the only plane I flew until I switched to MSFS 2020. Great review and thanks again for sharing.
I greatly appreciate your reviews. You have now become a primary go to source for information. I have been taken to many times in the past by false representations. Furthermore, I do try hard to research and carefully analyze an aircraft to determine if it will meet my needs before considering a purchase more than ever because these aircraft purchases can really add up over time, therefore one has to be more selective these days. Thank you, and keep up the excellent work!
Thanks Centurion, what fond memories I have as a boy as we visited the highlands of Scotland to hunt the infamous Haggis. :) Sorry, couldn't help myself, the closest I get in RL is Robbie Burns night's every year, but I used to tell my wife that and had her going for years.
Another consistent and great review. Very fair once more, always fair. I think I could summarise this as "meh" with some very real broken flight dynamics. No screaming complaints but also no screaming praises.
I'd agree with that assessment. For our first plane (and a simple one at that for good reason), in this new platform, it's a good aircraft to a. learn the development workflow for the new sim and b. not to complex. :D It's not going to light the world on fire, but then it's not a dumpster fire...well just yet! lol.
Thanks Confused Dad, always appreciate the support. I can say this, this wasn't rushed as could be noticed with the amount of extras and variations included. There is a lot here for other developers to take notice. If as the comment by IRIS here states this is a learning experience for them, I'm expecting great things in the future from them. Great attitude from IRIS IMO, lets learn and improve instead of recoil and criticize.
@@IrisSimulations respect to you guys for commenting on here. Unless I am mistaken you are the first developer with the balls to actually engage. Well done, you have my respect and I will be keeping an eye on your work because of your transparent and professional nature. Well done, I hope more developers can take a hard look at this and throw away their combative or self-righteous style of engaging with the very people who will keep them in business. Well done !
I’ve flown a Jabiru many times in real life. Not a huge fan tho, it was just too small for a guy like me. Also very squirrelly with any wind and on the ground at high speeds such as on takeoff and landing
I'm so glad I saw this review before deciding to purchase. Thanks for your incredibly honest reviews and high quality content. As an aside, I've got to work towards getting to the 4K resolution like you have. Your videos, especially the intros, look incredible.
Thanks paul. I may do a video on getting the most out of your graphics card video as many of my earlier videos were with a 1070 ti and many of the viewers have much better cards than that.
the fuel pump you mentioned is an electric backup pump, the jabiru engine has its own mechanical pump as well. This is very common on light sport aircraft.
Thanks plane. This was explained to me from someone else, but they didn't mention that this was common on light sports. It just kind of puzzled me. Always learning thanks, appreciate the comment.
Good to see another honest review! It's great to see they've included in-game checklists even if they're not interactive, I really have no idea what other developers are thinking by neglecting this great new feature of MSFS, it's such a nice touch to not have to have a PDF open on my other screen. However due to the deficiencies in other areas I probably won't be picking this up in its present state.
Thanks Sean, i agree the checklists in MSFS was an awesome addition. Funny enough I didn't even realize they were there until very recently when someone mentioned them. Every time someone asked about checklists prior I though they were talking about .pdfs.
@@NOTAM1 UUps. Sorry. I did not mean any gender or wife comment. I was thinking more about backseat drivers offering advice when you have a handfull. lol. Your video is great.Excelent work man. I'm joining your channel. Best regards
@@javierolivaresserrano5948 Thanks Javier... no offense taken, just kidding around here. We don't offend easily. My wife finds the jokes just as funny.... I think. :)
Hi, nice looking review. I have some 300 hours on 2 and 4 seat Jabiru's so I'm eager to try this myself. I do see something strange at 06:50, when cranking the prop seems to turn the wrong way (anti-clockwise). Not sure if this is optical illusion but the Jabiru prop turns clock-wise when viewed from the cockpit.
Very nicely put together review. I won’t be buying any aircraft until we get something more sophisticated .i agree with what you say about stalls they don’t seem realistic
If we are going to model the co-pilot position, can we start to model the kids in the back and have them ask how much longer every 30 seconds? Thanks for the review!
Thanks for another great review. About the stall speed, and what happens at 12:15 (ruclips.net/video/q_jLiPqMYuA/видео.html), my flight instructor actually got us in the same flight attitude in a Land Africa (the high-wing model you can see here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRM_Land_Africa ), except with even higher AoA, literally felt like hanging on the propeller, speed showin 0 (not stopped, just the gauge would not work in that attitude) and no loss of altitude. He was praising the capabilities of the airplane and just said "if you are Ok, I can show you what this can do", and I just believe it because I was there. Not saying the flight model is right or wrong in this Jabiru though, just my little input here. If it was me reviewing the aircraft, would probably have the same feeling as you.
THANKs for the great Review !! Seen on some preview videos. A visible co-pilot sits in the cockpit. (Inside view) (that's why Jabiru was now bought.. otherwise uninteresting) The setting on the PAD only applies to the outside view. (with/without co-pilot). HOW to enable virtual visible co-pilot in the Jabiru cockpit ?! I don't like sitting alone in the cockpit anymore :(
I bought this yesterday and love it! It's a joy to fly. But some of those cockpit textures are poor but for the price I'm not too bothered. Also they need to fix the GPS screen 'Jumping'.
Another good review! I wanted to add a couple of my findings. On the J-170D, the Heading/Altitude and Course/Baro knobs are broken. They make a clicking sound when you scroll the mouse over them, but do not function to change the appropriate settings. When you click near the center of the PFD, a PFD screen opens from the right. Not sure if this is correct as no documentation for the PFD is included. There is a bug at the very beginning of the included Bush Trip. The very first spawn at YLIL starts with the J-160 on the same spot as a C172. You have the C172 instrument panel filling the screen. I had to move my POV forward through the C172 panel and firewall. You only have a few inch gap before the J-160 panel. Just wide enough to click the switches to get the plane started so you can taxi out from under the Cessna and start your adventure.
Great information Matthew, thanks, although all they really offered you was adventure, if starting parked on top of a Cessna isn't adventure, I don't know what is, lol :)
Update v1.1 for the Jabiru is available on Orbx Central. They have fixed both of the knobs and also the Bush Trips YLIL start location. Pretty quick fix! Nice job IRIS and Orbx!
When you were discussing the failure to start cold and dark on the ramp with the Control-E shortcut, I noted in your video that the Master switch was in the OFF position. Pretty sure nothing I've actually flown would start with the master off. Is there a separate battery power switch?
A quick note that thanks to Dave's review, I've added in a new subroutine to use CTRL+E and CTRL+SHIFT+F1 to autostart and autoshutdown accordingly. :) Makes my life easier lol.
Nicely detailed review! Yes there are problems but alot off the problems lie along Microsofts FS2020 as well! I can't wait to see how this developer turns it out too be after watching a few off his live-streams and he does chat with the community alot so that's my thoughts...
Thanks Max, With the quality and variety of what they got right in this model and an open and honest community relationship, I expect great things from them in the futures also.
I too purchased this aircraft and liked the exterior and interior. I was really looking for what I would guess should be a great flight model. This one missed out on that! I also was disappointed in the stall response, but maybe that is accurate. Hopefully the developer will fix these issues and make it a more fun and realistic plane to fly.
I'm really liking your thorough reviews and other content. Keep it up. I think this aircraft looks cool. The pricing model that's been created in flight sims over the years really goes against other types of games. In Arma 3 for example, an aircraft like this would have been released for free. And study level race cars are offered in race sims for free or as part of a DLC bundle with other cars and a track for the same price as this aircraft. So I'm always blown away at what people are charging, but I know that's a flight sim thing. It's frustrating though to think, "oh this looks like a cool plane that I'd love to fly, but not for $25." I mean, the game itself didn't cost much more than that. For that price, it better be better than the vanilla aircraft.
Thanks Feint, yeah flight sim pricing doesn't really follow any other industry. A lot of us DCS'ers will pay 80usd for study level aircraft. This adds up quick when you start owning all the models. On the flip side of that coin it takes multiple years to create something so detailed.
It's a small niche market and the prices reflect that. If the big players were making all of these aircraft from scratch, it wouldn't be the exact same models for fs9, fsx, p3d, x-plane, and now msfs2020. $25-60+ for a port that goes through an update process is a bit much. Not speaking on dcs. Not big on combat sims but I'll watch a reenactment when I'm drunk.
looks OK as you said but I don't think it is worth the price as it isn't a thing I would fly much ... 1/3 of MSFS 2020's price is ridiculous, for me it looks like a 9,99 € plane. And as always thx for the review as I thought is was gone be a bit better as it was released through ORBX. keep those excellent reviews coming :)
Interesting. I was tempted but I think I’d rather spend the extra money and get the deluxe premium and fly the pipestrel virus. I have heard good things about this aircraft even if one of the default planes.
I have to agree with most people's comments here. I'll purchase this aircraft due to the developer's attitude and as stated, therewith be an update shortly. If only all developers knew that communication and a great attitude goes a long way when people decide to purchase an aircraft.
Re: co-ordinated turns, does the jabiru need pedal irl? I'd be surprised if it did. I've flown a few high and low wing ULs and most of them basically never need pedal at sensible bank angles. Unless you get into a hill rotor, then it looks like you're on an exercise bike as the ball swings every which way 🤣
I fly with a 65 inch 4K OLED that sits merely a meter from my face, so interiors can be really inmersion-breaking if done badly. And when most of the cockpit is well done but the largest surfaces have FSX-Era mesh complexity and resolution... they stick out like a sore thumb. Very few addons seem to take texture resolution with enough seriousness... Altough the fact that almost all models come from previous flight sims doesnt help, I imagine.
I agree, I find it strange as you'd think the interior texture resolution would be one of the things they take most seriously but I find it everywhere. I personally wonder if there are a bunch of devs running 1080p setups working on textures sometimes. Too bad because their 3d model is very good.
I find the look of this aircraft quite intriguing. I do enjoy the ultralights in MSFS a lot and am open to having even more but I think I'd like to see the flight model improve on this one before opening my wallet.
Good review. I have bought it as every aero club here in Australia seems to have one for hire. The interior textures do need work but to be honest a good texture artist could fix most of it quickly. As an experiment I added some basic metal texture to one of the steam gauge panels (original i.imgur.com/D2rVsdZ.jpg and modified i.imgur.com/OYxgCsH.png) and the difference was definitely noticeable. They just need to put some time into it, or hire a better graphics person. They seem to have gone with quantity and bright colours and graphics over quality with the interiors. There are currently multiple small bugs including the pedals not animating in one cockpit and the PFD buttons being inop in another. The magnetic compass is also wacky. The FM needs work, these little planes do tend to mush rather than stall, but the stall is not right, on the plus side it is one of the few MSFS GA planes you can keep in trim, it is very stable. I am personally happy enough with my purchase, especially as the developer seems keen to fix any issues which is a very good sign.
Thanks Glen. I don't disagree with you at all, many could easily be fixed but I can't review based on what could be done. I have to present as is regardless of how easy it is to fix. I noticed the rudder pedals not animating and a few other things but have to decide what to include or not in the review for brevity. I'm also careful not to pick an aircraft apart with details that I believe are less important or might be fixed as in the end this is far from an aircraft that is crap or trying to scam someone. I can tell the dev spent some time to include a lot in this package and need to balance what isn't right with a solid effort on devs part.
@@NOTAM1 Overall it is a good mod and I have no regrets about the purchase. It has become my default ride for doing a couple of circuits at the local airport before work, I love the way you can trim for circuit height and it pretty much stays there like it should, which is not the case for a lot of other aircraft at present. They seem to be very proactive about fixing any problems which is fantastic, it is just a shame these little issues were not picked up earlier as they probably lost a few early sales through it. Hopefully it will be better sorted by the time it hits the MS marketplace.
@@Edam-Channel The developer does seem to be very active and concerned about fixing this model. Thats as much as you can ask from anyone. Glad you are enjoying it.
This happens on the Bird Dog also, starting from cold and dark. The standard is clockwise as you’re looking from the cockpit and on these aircraft the props are pitched for clockwise. Not sure if this is beyond the control of the developers and a MSFS problem but it is a pretty bad right in your face mistake the moment you start the aircraft.
@@701Builder I bet they have a single prop animation in one direction (so when you are exterior view its correct) and they use the same animation in interior... just guessing.
@@NOTAM1 Thanks. I bought it anyway. As far as I can tell there's more momentum in the roll compared to the release version. One thing I've found that's bugging me though is the mixture isn't automatic. The rotary control on my throttle that I have assigned for manual mixture control actually causes performance to be affected and cuts the engine out when at minimum. And then after cutting out, the only way to restart is Ctrl-E. Other than that I'm finding these aircraft quite enjoyable to fly.
I think its just an oversight. The view system in MSFS is extremely well implemented but not everyone has realized its there for some reason. Even though I don't use it personally, I was really impressed with it when I first realized its use.
Sorry, but there’s no excuse for poor quality textures in this new sim. IMHO it’s just another quick port over from an older sims or a rushed job. Release it quick to jump on the bandwagon. This new sim deserves more quality and care from the add-on developers.
I agree with the quality of textures. I'm not so sure if this is a quick port though. There is a good amount of work here that seems new, just some items where they missed the boat. In MSFS the minimum standard for textures are the default models and these don't stack up though.
@@NOTAM1 Perhaps it’s something they can address with an update. Seems a shame to detract from the overall quality of the product with poor textures. Many sim flyers use 4K monitors nowadays or are in the process of upgrading to 4K with this new sim.
You make a good point Stephen, though the diffuse maps (base textures) are 4K in size (I think MSFS handles up to 8K resolution), the bump maps are lower resolution which is causing the issue I think. There's finding that balance between texture map sizes and performance... the neverending balancing act of a developer. :D Thanks for your viewpoint though, it is much appreciated.
OrbX is one of the better places (via orbx Central) anyways until it comes to marketplace. Not feeling fuzzy about a lot of e-tailers right now. (EDIT: this wasn't shade at IRIS site to be clear, but other e-tailers)
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Just wanted to drop a thank you for this review. Well balanced, with both good and bad points. :)
Edited 29OCT20 ***
The Jabiru has received a minor update bringing us from v1.1 to 1.2.
The changelog is as follows;
- Moment of inertia values further refined to reduce 'sluggishness' exhibited in v1.1
- Nosewheel steering adjusted.
- Flaps now add additional lift and drag when deployed.
- Autostart no longer automatically sets up aircraft to take-off condition.
- Modifications to Bush Trip restrictions in line with MS Bush Trips.
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Version 1.1 has now dropped, and thanks to the feedback of Dave (NOTAM) and others, the following items are addressed;
All aircraft
- Refined stall warning horn to trigger at 16 degrees AoA.
- Moment of interia values adjusted on roll and pitch.
- Improved autopilot lateral capture.
- Refined prop wash values.
- Prohibited doors opening when airborne.
- Refined roll effectiveness.
- Reduced AI traffic values to reduce overpopulation.
- Added missing flap motor audio.
- Adjusted thumbnail brightness for clarity.
- Auto-start and Auto-Shutdown functions now configure the aircraft appropriately.
- Additional cameras added to pilot, instrument and showcase views.
- Remastered audio for increased dynamic range.
- Increased cockpit texture resolution for improved visuals.
J170-C
- Added Novawing24.com trim scheme.
- Fixed unanimated rudder pedals.
- Added missing J170-C placards to C model J170 paints.
J170-D
- Removed gyro audio.
- Improved functionality of AS3X instrument.
- Adjusted VH-DLB with new colours in line with new IRIS branding.
J170-C/D
- Fixed reversed compasses.
- Improved landing light.
- Added cockpit night lighting.
Gippsland Tour Bushtrip
- Relocated Lilydale start location.
- Defaulted to Live Weather for additional challenge.
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Flight model has had SOME tweaks, but edge of the envelope behaviour is still an issue as we learn the new simulator flight model changes. More updates will come over time. :)
Can't fault it really, if you're a Jabiru fan, or just want something to sightsee in, then it's a good plane IMO, though don't expect A2A. :D lol.
Once again, thanks for the feedback.
First time ive seen a developer reply to a review of one of its products ..
Well done... I'm impressed.
Props to you IRIS Simulations! ... pun intended :)
@@ClanRodgers That deserves a thumbs up
Wow. I'm seriously impressed that you have responded in this way. I may just go out and get this plane myself :)
@@sascenturion it's the least I can do. Reviews that give balanced unbiased opinions help us make better products...and in this case, point out flaws that we may not have been aware of. :)
This is a really great review! I'm going to buy this plane only because I've got about 20hrs of real time in both the 160/170, albeit tis been a few years. Looking forward to checking out the flight model but I'm a little concerned. I do recall that the Jabiru I flew was very difficult to stall. I vaguely recall my instructor saying it can vary from plane to plane suprisingly. If you want to see the Jabiru in action in real life I have about 15hrs of footage on my RUclips channel, including an episode on stalls. Looking forward to more of your reviews in future!
Thanks Romeo... just opened a tab. I've never had much interest in ultralights, but I seriously want to find one of these to fly... cool little aircraft.
I hated flying this thing.... I never liked the centre yoke (sure... it's a great trainer for schools) I hated it though. I wish my local school at YGAW had Slings or Sportcruisers or something of that nature.....
The fuel pump is an electric backup for the mechanical one. I have flown both the 160 and 170.
Thanks for the info, was unsure.
First off, I must say, your content is absolutely top notch! : ) Enjoyable, but also extremely informative.
It seems like your opinions on the product broadly mirror my own, though perhaps coming at it from slightly different angles. Overall, I do think the package represents decent value for money, with all that’s included; variants, cockpits, bush trip (nice touch) etc. As you say, it isn’t groundbreaking, but for anyone with an interest in Jabiru aircraft, I think it’s a solid effort. I also think it’s probably ticking a lot of boxes for the market it’s trying to appeal to. I’m definitely someone who enjoys their high fidelity addons, but I have hopped back in this one a couple of times now, just for a bit of fun. IRIS Simulations also seem to be very humble and receptive to feedback, which is always great to see from a developer!
I too was a bit unsure of the aircrafts roll response / inertia. I’m not really any the wiser now, as I’ve heard mixed feedback from a few Jabiru drivers. Some saying the flight model looks reasonable, others not so much. Ultimately I expect reality lies somewhere in the middle. . .
Anyway, great vid once again! Really enjoying the channel : )
Dave, I already complimented both the form and content of your King Air video on Avsim, but I just wanted to say here that I really appreciated the respect for your users' time that you showed with your "OK, the review part is done now" comment in this video. That sort of respect is something that is desperately lacking amongst the many content creators who seem to operate on the assumption that they own your time and you'll happily let them waste it. For that, if nothing else, I have subscribed. (Your content is pretty good, too. :D ) Keep it up!
Thanks Rob, appreciate the kind words. Its always a tough balance between getting the appropriate amount of content and information out while still getting to the point. Doesn't help that everyone will have a different opinion on this. Some say why can't you just give us the conclusion while the next group will say how did you arrive at that conclusion, but clearly all the non relevant information doesn't belong. I can't stand being 5 minutes into a video where they haven't even touched on the reason I'm there. Thanks for the kind words.
The importance of realistic sounds is underestimated. When flying I listen to the engine so I know the correct RPM. When landing I fly only by the sound since the focus is on the runway. Good review
I have a little over 100 hours on the J160 (I’ve actually flown the exact aircraft reg at the end of the video!). From my experience, most of your observations are spot on, except for the fuel pump functionality which I believe someone else already pointed out. Great review as always!
Thanks James, Looks like an awesome little ultralight in RL, would love to find one for a quick flight.
Hey man, ever since I found you I've been waiting for your review on the Jabiru. I love your style of too the point and informative. Very enjoyable
Thanks Tazzie, glad you enjoyed.
A very interesting aircraft. I got this notification while on my lunch break so I wasn't buzzed watching this video 😂 But thank you for the review and I hope this plane makes progress before it hits the marketplace. I'm partial to steam gauges regardless of aircraft model imho
lol, hope you enjoyed.
Thanks for the review, while I felt the Jabiru was being damned by feint praise all the way through, it matched my concerns especially to the most important aspect for me which is the flight model. Being an A2A customer for both FSX and P3D, I was hoping for a small GA touring plane for the low and slow sight seeing that flew realistically. With the information provided, I will pass and watch to see if future revisions provide a realistic flight experience.
Your Welcome Jay, glad it helped.
There us no differential braking on the Jab. It has essentially a hand brake forward of the yoke next to the trim. The 160 is pretty precise. The 170 is much slower in roll. I think ill get it. I hope the flight model gets better. It stalls quite gently. Sorry if this is toooo long. :)
Not at all, let us know what you think of it after flying in sim. Your comments are always welcome.
Great and honest review. You are definitely my preferred FS reviewer on YT. Always thorough.
Thanks Shuenix.
I love it when I see another NOTAM review pop-up on my feed. Your advanced preparations, and research, before each review video always come through. There is always a calm, sincere and knowledge backed approach to your voiceover which makes me sit up and pay attention to your points. Always fair, good and bad, and you don't just criticize to be shocking or mean...you actually hope that these developers will listen to feedback and improve their products. Keep them coming...
Thanks so much McGrupp. Appreciate the kind words. Try my best to be objective.
Great honest review which was very well balanced. I am buying this becasue it does look fun and IRIS coming back to you in comments with thanks and are addressing the issues just shows that they are invested in the sim community who buy there product. Thank you
Thanks Dave. Appreciate the comment and I agree, the community needs more devs like IRIS.
That's how the review on aircraft should be made!
Are you making initially footage in the sim and then voiceover in production?
A bit of both. I record voice while recording in sim to ensure I don't make a mistake on what's happening and what I was thinking. Then in post production I'd say I do a voiceover my initial voice recording for anywhere between 40-80% of it (depending on how much I was drinking while recording) :) Should probably stop the drinking... might reduce my post time and improve my flying, lol.
@@NOTAM1 ahahah)) same for me...after 1h30min of recoding...okeey let's make 10min beauty from this scrap) Thanks for the answer.
Thanks for taking a look at the realism aspect to this add-on as that part was what interests me
Can’t remember just how much I have spent over the years on good looking mediocre GA aircraft. Flew them once or twice then forgot about them. Now the Hotstart TBM over on X-Plane, well, that’s the only plane I flew until I switched to MSFS 2020. Great review and thanks again for sharing.
Thanks BB. Same boat here, all excited for a new release and a few days later is forgotten.
I greatly appreciate your reviews. You have now become a primary go to source for information. I have been taken to many times in the past by false representations. Furthermore, I do try hard to research and carefully analyze an aircraft to determine if it will meet my needs before considering a purchase more than ever because these aircraft purchases can really add up over time, therefore one has to be more selective these days. Thank you, and keep up the excellent work!
What great reviews you do! So relaxed and informative ..
You have a new sub from Scotland 👍
Thanks Centurion, what fond memories I have as a boy as we visited the highlands of Scotland to hunt the infamous Haggis. :) Sorry, couldn't help myself, the closest I get in RL is Robbie Burns night's every year, but I used to tell my wife that and had her going for years.
Another consistent and great review. Very fair once more, always fair. I think I could summarise this as "meh" with some very real broken flight dynamics. No screaming complaints but also no screaming praises.
I'd agree with that assessment. For our first plane (and a simple one at that for good reason), in this new platform, it's a good aircraft to a. learn the development workflow for the new sim and b. not to complex. :D It's not going to light the world on fire, but then it's not a dumpster fire...well just yet! lol.
Thanks Confused Dad, always appreciate the support. I can say this, this wasn't rushed as could be noticed with the amount of extras and variations included. There is a lot here for other developers to take notice. If as the comment by IRIS here states this is a learning experience for them, I'm expecting great things in the future from them. Great attitude from IRIS IMO, lets learn and improve instead of recoil and criticize.
@@IrisSimulations respect to you guys for commenting on here. Unless I am mistaken you are the first developer with the balls to actually engage. Well done, you have my respect and I will be keeping an eye on your work because of your transparent and professional nature. Well done, I hope more developers can take a hard look at this and throw away their combative or self-righteous style of engaging with the very people who will keep them in business. Well done !
I’ve flown a Jabiru many times in real life. Not a huge fan tho, it was just too small for a guy like me. Also very squirrelly with any wind and on the ground at high speeds such as on takeoff and landing
Did my first lesson today on Jabiru J170C. Considering buying it in the game. Thanks for making this video!
I'm so glad I saw this review before deciding to purchase. Thanks for your incredibly honest reviews and high quality content. As an aside, I've got to work towards getting to the 4K resolution like you have. Your videos, especially the intros, look incredible.
Thanks paul. I may do a video on getting the most out of your graphics card video as many of my earlier videos were with a 1070 ti and many of the viewers have much better cards than that.
the fuel pump you mentioned is an electric backup pump, the jabiru engine has its own mechanical pump as well. This is very common on light sport aircraft.
Thanks plane. This was explained to me from someone else, but they didn't mention that this was common on light sports. It just kind of puzzled me. Always learning thanks, appreciate the comment.
Good to see another honest review! It's great to see they've included in-game checklists even if they're not interactive, I really have no idea what other developers are thinking by neglecting this great new feature of MSFS, it's such a nice touch to not have to have a PDF open on my other screen. However due to the deficiencies in other areas I probably won't be picking this up in its present state.
Thanks Sean, i agree the checklists in MSFS was an awesome addition. Funny enough I didn't even realize they were there until very recently when someone mentioned them. Every time someone asked about checklists prior I though they were talking about .pdfs.
Your reviews are extremely well done. Thank you. Other reviews missed many aspects that you brought up.
Thanks GoOBer.
Thanks for another quality review. Reviews like yours help developers and flight sim consumers alike. Non biased and factual.
Thanks george, appreciate the comment.
Thank you!...Now I'm actually hoping for more scenery and aircraft releases...just so I can enjoy watching your review videos ;-)
Thanks Martijn. Appreciate that.
Great review as always, looking forward to the Jabiru being added to the marketplace
Thanks Baldur.
Love your comment about the copilot speaking "just the perfect amount"
lol, lets hope my wife doesn't watch these.
@@NOTAM1 mine too, she wasn't in earshot!
@@NOTAM1 UUps. Sorry. I did not mean any gender or wife comment. I was thinking more about backseat drivers offering advice when you have a handfull.
lol.
Your video is great.Excelent work man. I'm joining your channel.
Best regards
@@javierolivaresserrano5948 Thanks Javier... no offense taken, just kidding around here. We don't offend easily. My wife finds the jokes just as funny.... I think. :)
Off topic but would you please review FS ACADEMY - IFR MSFS. I want to purchase it, but is it any good? Love the reviews, keep the honesty coming!
Hey David, appreciate the kind words, fired you an e-mail. Its definitely on my radar now.
Hi, nice looking review. I have some 300 hours on 2 and 4 seat Jabiru's so I'm eager to try this myself. I do see something strange at 06:50, when cranking the prop seems to turn the wrong way (anti-clockwise). Not sure if this is optical illusion but the Jabiru prop turns clock-wise when viewed from the cockpit.
This is some strange thing that MSFS does with other aircraft also. A developer explained it to me and I can't remember to be honest.
Very nicely put together review. I won’t be buying any aircraft until we get something more sophisticated .i agree with what you say about stalls they don’t seem realistic
If we are going to model the co-pilot position, can we start to model the kids in the back and have them ask how much longer every 30 seconds?
Thanks for the review!
LMAO... now that's realism. Maybe one of the kids trying to convince you to look at her ipad on a short final.
Recreational Aircraft are limited to 2 seats unfortunately :)
@@bigmuz_pilot Just tape them to the ceiling. Just keep them forward enough so they don't push your CG to far aft :)
Lovely to see the South African registration. great review!
Thanks Connor.
Was waiting for this review - I just *knew* you were going to do one! Thanks for that ;)
Thanks Rene, you're welcome.
Thanks for another great review.
About the stall speed, and what happens at 12:15 (ruclips.net/video/q_jLiPqMYuA/видео.html), my flight instructor actually got us in the same flight attitude in a Land Africa (the high-wing model you can see here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRM_Land_Africa ), except with even higher AoA, literally felt like hanging on the propeller, speed showin 0 (not stopped, just the gauge would not work in that attitude) and no loss of altitude. He was praising the capabilities of the airplane and just said "if you are Ok, I can show you what this can do", and I just believe it because I was there.
Not saying the flight model is right or wrong in this Jabiru though, just my little input here. If it was me reviewing the aircraft, would probably have the same feeling as you.
THANKs for the great Review !!
Seen on some preview videos.
A visible co-pilot sits in the cockpit. (Inside view)
(that's why Jabiru was now bought.. otherwise uninteresting)
The setting on the PAD only applies to the outside view. (with/without co-pilot).
HOW to enable virtual visible co-pilot in the Jabiru cockpit ?!
I don't like sitting alone in the cockpit anymore :(
I bought this yesterday and love it! It's a joy to fly. But some of those cockpit textures are poor but for the price I'm not too bothered. Also they need to fix the GPS screen 'Jumping'.
Aus Flight SImmer had the developer on his latest stream. Like the fact he was willing to discuss his products on a stream.
The developer seems very open and down to earth. I see great things for them in MSFS in the future.
@@NOTAM1 Completely agree. This addon isn't something that interests me but I'll definitely be keeping my eyes open for future developments.
I really value your well detailed reviews! Thanks for all of your efforts and honesty!
Thanks Jim, glad you are enjoying.
Thanks for the review. Been on the fence. I learnt to fly glass in the Jabiru. Agree with many of your comments.
Another good review! I wanted to add a couple of my findings. On the J-170D, the Heading/Altitude and Course/Baro knobs are broken. They make a clicking sound when you scroll the mouse over them, but do not function to change the appropriate settings. When you click near the center of the PFD, a PFD screen opens from the right. Not sure if this is correct as no documentation for the PFD is included.
There is a bug at the very beginning of the included Bush Trip. The very first spawn at YLIL starts with the J-160 on the same spot as a C172. You have the C172 instrument panel filling the screen. I had to move my POV forward through the C172 panel and firewall. You only have a few inch gap before the J-160 panel. Just wide enough to click the switches to get the plane started so you can taxi out from under the Cessna and start your adventure.
Great information Matthew, thanks, although all they really offered you was adventure, if starting parked on top of a Cessna isn't adventure, I don't know what is, lol :)
Update v1.1 for the Jabiru is available on Orbx Central. They have fixed both of the knobs and also the Bush Trips YLIL start location. Pretty quick fix! Nice job IRIS and Orbx!
Jabiru update v1.2.5 has fixed the issues with changing liveries that the 28 OCT MSFS update caused. Nice and fast work again IRIS! :)
Good video. Wondering, have you got the 'corrected' GTA scenery (with etobicoke, north york, etc) and if so what do you think of it?
When you were discussing the failure to start cold and dark on the ramp with the Control-E shortcut, I noted in your video that the Master switch was in the OFF position. Pretty sure nothing I've actually flown would start with the master off. Is there a separate battery power switch?
ctrl+E will switch on any necessary systems in the plane needed to turn on. That may be the issue, ctrl+e may not be flipping master on
As david mentioned, Ctrl+E should allow you to start from any configuration. Its literally just autostart (cheat) code.
A quick note that thanks to Dave's review, I've added in a new subroutine to use CTRL+E and CTRL+SHIFT+F1 to autostart and autoshutdown accordingly. :) Makes my life easier lol.
Nicely detailed review! Yes there are problems but alot off the problems lie along Microsofts FS2020 as well! I can't wait to see how this developer turns it out too be after watching a few off his live-streams and he does chat with the community alot so that's my thoughts...
Thanks Max, With the quality and variety of what they got right in this model and an open and honest community relationship, I expect great things from them in the futures also.
Very thorough review. Thank you sir.
I too purchased this aircraft and liked the exterior and interior. I was really looking for what I would guess should be a great flight model. This one missed out on that! I also was disappointed in the stall response, but maybe that is accurate. Hopefully the developer will fix these issues and make it a more fun and realistic plane to fly.
Seems like the developer is very open and from what I see already planning an update.
Another top review. Thanks!
Thanks PJD
I'm really liking your thorough reviews and other content. Keep it up. I think this aircraft looks cool. The pricing model that's been created in flight sims over the years really goes against other types of games. In Arma 3 for example, an aircraft like this would have been released for free. And study level race cars are offered in race sims for free or as part of a DLC bundle with other cars and a track for the same price as this aircraft. So I'm always blown away at what people are charging, but I know that's a flight sim thing. It's frustrating though to think, "oh this looks like a cool plane that I'd love to fly, but not for $25." I mean, the game itself didn't cost much more than that. For that price, it better be better than the vanilla aircraft.
Thanks Feint, yeah flight sim pricing doesn't really follow any other industry. A lot of us DCS'ers will pay 80usd for study level aircraft. This adds up quick when you start owning all the models. On the flip side of that coin it takes multiple years to create something so detailed.
It's a small niche market and the prices reflect that. If the big players were making all of these aircraft from scratch, it wouldn't be the exact same models for fs9, fsx, p3d, x-plane, and now msfs2020. $25-60+ for a port that goes through an update process is a bit much. Not speaking on dcs. Not big on combat sims but I'll watch a reenactment when I'm drunk.
looks OK as you said but I don't think it is worth the price as it isn't a thing I would fly much ... 1/3 of MSFS 2020's price is ridiculous, for me it looks like a 9,99 € plane.
And as always thx for the review as I thought is was gone be a bit better as it was released through ORBX. keep those excellent reviews coming :)
Interesting. I was tempted but I think I’d rather spend the extra money and get the deluxe premium and fly the pipestrel virus. I have heard good things about this aircraft even if one of the default planes.
Where did you get the 160 C and 170 C models? When I bought it, all I got were the 160 & 170 D’s.
You take a good look at the exterior on N70AGB? It gave me a giggle.
I have to agree with most people's comments here. I'll purchase this aircraft due to the developer's attitude and as stated, therewith be an update shortly. If only all developers knew that communication and a great attitude goes a long way when people decide to purchase an aircraft.
I'm definitely impressed with all the extras. Especially the developers attitude. A++
The checklists that highlight the item with a goto is something I would like to see in payware planes. Devs keep skipping it.
The auto start problem is surely that the master switch is in the off position :)
It is not. Auto start does not require any prior position of any switches, hence auto start.
Another good review. Cheers!
Thanks Mega
Good review as ever, thank you.
Thanks Mark
Re: co-ordinated turns, does the jabiru need pedal irl? I'd be surprised if it did.
I've flown a few high and low wing ULs and most of them basically never need pedal at sensible bank angles.
Unless you get into a hill rotor, then it looks like you're on an exercise bike as the ball swings every which way 🤣
In flight school we use rudder for coordinated turns on J170C
Another great review. Thanks a lot @notam
Thanks Zin.
I fly with a 65 inch 4K OLED that sits merely a meter from my face, so interiors can be really inmersion-breaking if done badly. And when most of the cockpit is well done but the largest surfaces have FSX-Era mesh complexity and resolution... they stick out like a sore thumb. Very few addons seem to take texture resolution with enough seriousness... Altough the fact that almost all models come from previous flight sims doesnt help, I imagine.
I agree, I find it strange as you'd think the interior texture resolution would be one of the things they take most seriously but I find it everywhere. I personally wonder if there are a bunch of devs running 1080p setups working on textures sometimes. Too bad because their 3d model is very good.
Not bad but meh imo the sim has a variety of GA planes.Some MLT planes would be nice hopefully the SDK matures
I find the look of this aircraft quite intriguing. I do enjoy the ultralights in MSFS a lot and am open to having even more but I think I'd like to see the flight model improve on this one before opening my wallet.
Oh yeah... Thanks for another highly informative review. Keep up the awesome work!
I did too (the looks), it seems like its a high quality little ultralight in RL. Kind of want to find one to fly now.
Is the prop turning the wrong way? It looked like during your attempt to start it without success.
It is, but apparently this is an issue with MSFS and not the only aircraft that does this.
great review thanks
Thanks PlaneCrazy
Good review. I have bought it as every aero club here in Australia seems to have one for hire. The interior textures do need work but to be honest a good texture artist could fix most of it quickly. As an experiment I added some basic metal texture to one of the steam gauge panels (original i.imgur.com/D2rVsdZ.jpg and modified i.imgur.com/OYxgCsH.png) and the difference was definitely noticeable. They just need to put some time into it, or hire a better graphics person. They seem to have gone with quantity and bright colours and graphics over quality with the interiors.
There are currently multiple small bugs including the pedals not animating in one cockpit and the PFD buttons being inop in another. The magnetic compass is also wacky. The FM needs work, these little planes do tend to mush rather than stall, but the stall is not right, on the plus side it is one of the few MSFS GA planes you can keep in trim, it is very stable. I am personally happy enough with my purchase, especially as the developer seems keen to fix any issues which is a very good sign.
Thanks Glen. I don't disagree with you at all, many could easily be fixed but I can't review based on what could be done. I have to present as is regardless of how easy it is to fix. I noticed the rudder pedals not animating and a few other things but have to decide what to include or not in the review for brevity. I'm also careful not to pick an aircraft apart with details that I believe are less important or might be fixed as in the end this is far from an aircraft that is crap or trying to scam someone. I can tell the dev spent some time to include a lot in this package and need to balance what isn't right with a solid effort on devs part.
@@NOTAM1 Overall it is a good mod and I have no regrets about the purchase. It has become my default ride for doing a couple of circuits at the local airport before work, I love the way you can trim for circuit height and it pretty much stays there like it should, which is not the case for a lot of other aircraft at present.
They seem to be very proactive about fixing any problems which is fantastic, it is just a shame these little issues were not picked up earlier as they probably lost a few early sales through it. Hopefully it will be better sorted by the time it hits the MS marketplace.
@@Edam-Channel The developer does seem to be very active and concerned about fixing this model. Thats as much as you can ask from anyone. Glad you are enjoying it.
Isn't the propeller actually turning the wrong way @ 7:00 ^^ ?!
Good catch... it is Australia though... don't the toilets flush in the opposite direction too.... I mean technically they are all upside down. :)
This happens on the Bird Dog also, starting from cold and dark. The standard is clockwise as you’re looking from the cockpit and on these aircraft the props are pitched for clockwise. Not sure if this is beyond the control of the developers and a MSFS problem but it is a pretty bad right in your face mistake the moment you start the aircraft.
@@NOTAM1 Oh yeah, forgot about that... I'm such a fool ! (xD)
@@701Builder I bet they have a single prop animation in one direction (so when you are exterior view its correct) and they use the same animation in interior... just guessing.
It's actually animated the correct way, it's the sim fighting the start sequence that's kicking it backwards..no idea why it does it..
whered o you find the bush trip
thank you
Your Welcome Ev.
Yeah the flight characteristics are way off. I have flown the J-160, J-170 and the J-230.
Does anyone know if the flight model has improved much since the dev updated the aircraft?
I didn't see any changes in their changelog regarding flight model at the moment.
@@NOTAM1 Thanks. I bought it anyway. As far as I can tell there's more momentum in the roll compared to the release version.
One thing I've found that's bugging me though is the mixture isn't automatic. The rotary control on my throttle that I have assigned for manual mixture control actually causes performance to be affected and cuts the engine out when at minimum. And then after cutting out, the only way to restart is Ctrl-E. Other than that I'm finding these aircraft quite enjoyable to fly.
@@AdaptedBass Glad to hear they addressed the roll as that was the biggest point for me as it felt very wrong.
waiting for us mil jets
That will be fun, but I think it will be a while before we see anything that rivals DCS in this respect.
You think they skimp on the extra views because you can save 10 of your own custom views to keybinds? If so, shame on the developers.
I think its just an oversight. The view system in MSFS is extremely well implemented but not everyone has realized its there for some reason. Even though I don't use it personally, I was really impressed with it when I first realized its use.
Sorry, but there’s no excuse for poor quality textures in this new sim. IMHO it’s just another quick port over from an older sims or a rushed job. Release it quick to jump on the bandwagon. This new sim deserves more quality and care from the add-on developers.
I agree with the quality of textures. I'm not so sure if this is a quick port though. There is a good amount of work here that seems new, just some items where they missed the boat. In MSFS the minimum standard for textures are the default models and these don't stack up though.
@@NOTAM1 Perhaps it’s something they can address with an update. Seems a shame to detract from the overall quality of the product with poor textures. Many sim flyers use 4K monitors nowadays or are in the process of upgrading to 4K with this new sim.
Your absolutely spot on Stephen this new sim deserves on very exceptional models being placed
@@stephenpercy54 I agree, especially in a few years when it will be the norm.
You make a good point Stephen, though the diffuse maps (base textures) are 4K in size (I think MSFS handles up to 8K resolution), the bump maps are lower resolution which is causing the issue I think. There's finding that balance between texture map sizes and performance... the neverending balancing act of a developer. :D Thanks for your viewpoint though, it is much appreciated.
This is why xplane and p3d will live on for years
I have no doubt X-Plane will always have a place.
IRIS site down for maintenance. ~8^(
Yep, we're migrating the store at the moment to a better one. OrbxDirect.com is the only other place you can get it at the moment.
OrbX is one of the better places (via orbx Central) anyways until it comes to marketplace. Not feeling fuzzy about a lot of e-tailers right now. (EDIT: this wasn't shade at IRIS site to be clear, but other e-tailers)
Buying this aircraft it's a waste of money.