Correction: In the video I say the Proud Family was the first Disney Channel show about a Black family, but it was actually The Famous Jett Jackson. What’s your favorite Disney Channel theme song?🎶
And I know I just commented on the video but I wanted to bring forth this theory I had as to why Disney fans are so entangled in the culture wars; Baby Boomers, Generation Xers and Millennials grew up with Disney content that was intentionally curated to present an unproblematic image of Disney that doesn't dive deep into the company's 100 year history. Hence why many grew up with the animated classics that Walt produced, the Renaissance animated classics, the live-action and animated shows of the 80s and 90s, the live -action films both produced by Walt and the ones released after. Few if at all tackled any serious issues and if they did it was hidden or presented in a manner that "wouldn't upset anyone". It's why ethnic caricatures lasted a long time in that time frame because no one that had mindset of how this was harmful. So now these generations look at the stuff being produced today and when they see the contrast rather than realizing how things have changed and how there is a need for wider voices to be heard, they feel that it's an attack on THEIR childhood and THEIR nostalgia , so they want to attack that and label it as a dangerous things for today's generation. Granted, many of the inclusive actions taken by Disney and other companies can be seen as disingenuous and not accurate as to what our communities want. But saying that it's an issue to even bring it up and try to tell a story about it is saying that our voices and presence shouldn't be seen, heard or felt, that if we try to do our take on a classic story it's "woke", it's a disaster, and "propaganda". And it all sterns from the idea that in the good old days said ideas would be ignored because we were too ignorant about it all But now our stories have a wider range of voices, and many companies and studios are realizing that we have to put a spotlight on many communities and their stories because we denied them that opportunity for years. It's breaking the status quo and thus people react like it's a bad thing. Like I mentioned, it's not like the other side have THEIR own set of propaganda pieces to teach kids their lessons and morals. Veggietales on the surface may be a cute cartoon about singing and dancing vegetables, but they were created to share Christian beliefs and stories. That's propaganda right there! Every story told was always told with the belief of teaching something. The Proud Family wants to tell it's story and while sometimes it ain't perfect to attack it for even trying to do it is dangerous and shows how toxic these culture wars have become in fandoms and society in general
There's "allowing voices to be heard" and then there's literally being so aggressive with your message that you forgot the part of actually handling the message in a more mature way. Literal cartoons from the 90s(LITERALLY THE PROGRESSIVE TIME FOR ANY MINORITY GROUP) handled the SAME topics better due to being more mature and respecting the audiences' intelligence.
@@FireGlitch not really no. The shows then didn’t really get into the problem (not all I’m sure there are a couple that did) or they used metaphorical characters and situations. Yes the overall messaging is the same but for some reason people now don’t like it being told straight up they would rather go back to the 90’s where it was briefly talked about and quickly solved (which is unrealistic) or they use some sort of metaphor character or situation to tell the overall message
it makes me so sad and so tired that still to this day lgbt people are still seen as propaganda only because we breathe, specially lgbt youth, and as young queer person myself it makes me so tired the fact that i can't do anything to stop it, its stupid, anyway this was a very good video!!
As some random nobody's internet opioid, I don't think those people actually believe it's propaganda it's just the excuse, anything short of making the family drug dealers they are going to like it
I agree. People jumping to diverse media being bad for featuring, and discussing, its diversity is rather confusing and concerning. Queer people are people. Same for all of all backgrounds. It makes no sense to blame people for existing.
Because of the controlling and conservative christian upbringing I had, I didn't realize that I was not heterosexual and was in fact gay until much later in life once I was free from the control and abuse. (and the church) I will gladly accept the tag that I am "woke" because it's like I was in a coma for much of my life. I'm so glad kids are able to realize who they are so much earlier so they don't have to wait til they're Suga Mama's age to fully embrace who they are! ❤️
Someone online recently said I was "grooming" kids and that I was gross, all because I said trans kids exist and that's okay, basically. Like, I JUST turned 18. I was a kid literally three months ago. These people are irrational as hell
As a black person, I dislike the show for its mishandling of certain topics. Heck, there are people in the black community(as well as other minority groups) who also dislike the reboot and you don't seem to even mention them yet would rather make it seem like only conservatives(or anyone that can be portrayed as evil) are against the show. I hope this isn't an attempt to frame a narrative by removing context.
NGL I was genuinely surprised by the mention of Chile's dictatorship and Disney influence on my country on this video, but I'm so glad it was brought up! Now I have a new book to read omw to work, and I didn't even know it existed! As always Marlene, hearing your opinions is a delight. A big hug from Chile :)
Funny how whenever these people talk about these shows and issues, they ignore the ACTUAL flaws in the narrative, like is the message delivered well enough, how does it work with the story and such. It's ALWAYS the "OMG THIS IS WOKE THIS IS PROPAGANDA" garbage. As Dane from Actual Fandom said in a stream, half of these people haven't even watched one episode of either iteration of the series but are reacting to out of context clips made to get people mad without understanding WHY the show is saying what it wants to say. IN ADDITION, funny how they see this as being propaganda to groom and brainwash kids, yet they have their own shows, books, videos and such to make sure they grow up to be conservative adults. And I ain't even touching how books have been banned and how schools are being slammed with restrictions as to what they should be teaching. So this is only "bad" when it's about things that affects marginalized people...I see how that is.
@@FireGlitch Agree on both comments really. Both sides get made fun of & it's a neverending cycle really. Just look at Chris Chan for example; every side you can ever thank of has made fun of him. Or heck, just look at the amount of people that have made fun at My Immortal(the Harry Potter fanfic, not the song) at some point.
These “critics” are miserable and horrid people that want attention by any means necessary. I loved and still love The Proud Family. I always have and always will.
You hit the nail right on the head, friendo. It's how the performative-outrage sausage gets made- these saddos decide to be mad at something before it even comes out, they retrofit what they eventually get into a prefab narrative guaranteed to generate large amounts of outrage-driven traffic and engagement, and EVERY, SINGLE, TIME, the dunderheads on 4chan and in the Bible and Rust Belts eat it up with a spoon!
@Ben Franklin "HOLY FISH-PASTE! Looks like we got ourselves a rabble-rouser! What's your name, son? ARE YOU A RABBLE-ROUSER? Well, I sure hope ya are! Because you look mighty tasty! And it's too soon after breakfast for me to wanna CHEW SOMEBODY'S HEAD OFF!!!"
Most works are political or influenced by politics. Just being influenced by politics isn't the same as getting on top of a soapbox and being preachy. Bruce Lee jumping 20 feet in the air and kicking a "No dogs or Chinese allowed" sign is political and not subtle but that's a pretty easy pill to swallow so no one minds.
like I don't even think something made by humans *can* lack politics like politics are like a projection of what we think is right and/or how the world should work, whether we know it or not
The problem isn't adding political themes to many works. The problem is when you're clearly adding your political and personal bias to certain works that comes across as ridiculous.
@@FireGlitch every work has a political bias of some sort; whether someone picks up on it depends on their media literacy and their own biases, whatever those may be
1:01 Never in a million years would I've ever imagined the Proud Family... the PROUD FAMILY being compared to a literal military propaganda cartoon. What are these people smoking and where can I get some? lmao.
@@Nakia11798 I mean I'm literally watching the first episode of the reboot right now and I actually think it's really funny. To each their own I guess.
Hear me out, Glee is now technically a Disney property, just saying… I think it would be so incredibly interesting to see a video about Unique, the show’s first trans character. They were definitely a LOT of things that could’ve been handled better with her storylines. But for good majority of people watching the show, that was the first time they were even made aware that Trans people even existed, her first appearance on was in 2013, that’s so crazy to me. It would also be really interesting to analyze Alex Newell’s journey getting in the show, they started on the reality show “The Glee Project” in which the winner would have a character written for them. But Alex didn’t win the show, two boring straight white guys won. Alex was just a runner-up, which meant that they only got a two episode guest appearance, which introduced Unique. But because of how popular Unique was on those two episodes, in the next season, she was made a series regular, and those two straight white guys that won the Glee Project, got written out of the show, because they were kinda bad actors. If you want to check out some iconic Unique performances, I recommend Boogie Shoes, Diamonds Are a Girl’s Best Friend, Love Child, Blow Me(One Last Kiss), If I Were a Boy and I Know Where I’ve Been.
Honestly, it didn't even occur to me to do a video on Glee, I think my mind has kind of ignored a lot of the acquisition stuff. But I loved it back in the day and will definitely make a video about it sometime, thank you for the reminder! Unique was one of my favorite characters
So conservatives are yet again upset at a reboot, remake, or sequel of something they're nostalgic for because it touches on modern social issues, despite art having always been influenced by the world around it. What else is new?
@@FireGlitch It wouldn't be fair to say I hate them exactly, just that many of their values by definition are often the opposite of my own, such as an overall desire to keep the country from welcoming new people, ideas, and practices, in other words to 'conserve' what they believe is already perfect.
i havent watched the reboot yet but "snow white privilege and her 7 old entitled white men" fuggin SENT me X'D like... unironically thats an EXCELLENT title for a critical analysis essay and im p sure the white guy saying it doesn't realize how absolutely brilliant it is.
These haters just want to complain because they're racist and homophobic. Proud family has some problematic things like Dijonay being Penny's worst friend with no redeemable qualities and the fact she's Penny's darker skinned friend. There's more deeper things to get into but these hate mongers don't know a thing about these things. Proud family is still leagues ahead of these shows and weren't afraid to attempt to address feminism, xenophobia, black issues, and much more
I personally dislike the proud family: Louder and Prouder because the writing is sloppy, the issues are treated pretty clumsily and everyone is unnecessarily mean to everyone else, not this culture war bs.
Everyone was unnecessarily mean to everyone else in the original… they were just somewhat funnier about it and didn’t say things like “USE YOUR MAGICAL HONKEY POWERS!”
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I cannot wait for someone to make a Captain Planet reboot only for some schmuck to say that it's some how NOW P.C. I'm sick of this cheap, obnoxious fearmongering about propaganda from PAID propaganda sources weaponizing nostalgia. Remember when everyone was somehow pissed off Pepe Le Pew wasn't in Space Jam 2, and it was mostly from 40+ year olds who weren't going to go see a kid's movie anyway? On every level annoying. And half that stuff WAS P.C.ish in the first place. If anything, no matter how many messages you put in a show, it's not like they're going to take anyway. Otherwise we wouldn't have a generation of jerks that overlooked the positive messages of friendship and being a decent person from Sesame Street to whine about how P.C it is because Pinball Number Count isn't on every episode anymore.
Pepe definitely could’ve been handled better since he has been portrayed and re-imagined in less problematic ways before, but I do agree with pretty much everything else.
@@mr.x2567 Pepe wasn't in the movie because they wrote this TERRIBLE scene that tried to address the problem, but only exacerbated it. It would have essentially stopped the movie dead for a lecture on consent, misunderstanding the character. My point is, the thing was made for 10 year olds, not 40+ somethings who wouldn't have wanted to watch the thing anyway. But I just HATE when some of my favorite things are weaponized for purposes of hate. It's like the whole Dr. Seuss thing. His estate stopped publishing a bunch of unprofitable books that weren't turned into Netflix cartoons or Illumination movies because they had some offensive Asian imagery, and all the sudden he's cancelled and a certain group of talking heads who would NOT be on his political side pretending to come to his defense. That just made me sick, as did the backlash to Disney + putting "fair for its day, but still wrong then" warnings on The Muppet Show (yet somehow not knowing that even Rescue Rangers had them).
@@mightyfilm and kids, of course, aren’t watching the movie with possible 40+ year old parents? Kids just are to be sat down in front of a screen to watch jingling keys in front of their dumb little faces?
I mean, looney tunes wasn’t for kids originally, and kids aren’t going to understand what the title “space jam” is all about since this doesn’t involve space… seems to me that it’s not for ten year olds, when they have the paw patrol movie to watch.
@@Mrcleanfrfr"The reboot stays true to the original" Literally the title of one of the video chapters. The reboot is a MOCKERY to the show, especially with how the reboot decided to handle their message about slavery in a VERY terrible way. Literal 90s cartoons handled dark topics more in a way that's more mature than the whole reboot AND that was a FAR LESS progressive time to live in.
@@FireGlitch people forget that the problem isn’t the message, but the execution. The black dad was going “USE YOUR WHITE PRIVILEGE” like “USE YOUR MAGICAL HONKEY POWERS” and people for whatever reason think that’s the same level as Static Shock giving Richies dad the benefit of the doubt several times before finally realizing that he is in fact a racist… and he doesn’t even SAY the word, RICHIE says it.
And this is coming from someone who thought the proud family wasn’t even that good in the OG. Sugar Mama being the horrible abusive bitch that she was to Oscar.
The second season episode about colorism just rubbed me the wrong way. They didn't explained any of this to Zoey, Dejonay and Penny ignoring their boyfriends and pretty much if you date outside your race your a problem. Also they never apologized to Zoe other than Penny
@@battybuddy Noah literally ignored white girls more conventionally attractive and also Zoey wasn't the only one changing her attitude because he arrived. Heck, Penny was the only one not having these assumptions. And the wording is messed up "vanilla, white chocolate" and the other ones (I don't remember). The only one who wasn't a bitch was Penny, and the worst was this awful cunt Maya, who started it but then act all high and mighty.
I really think he should have been Ariel instead. Not only with the upcoming Little Mermaid remake but because he could come back with relating to Ariel for wanting to be herself or something.
This is an incredible take on this whole situation. What am I saying? You always have incredible takes! It's too often that I see people mindlessly debating over whether or not Disney has "lost its magic" or if the show is too preachy or if it's propaganda. People don't seem to realize that change is inevitable; this show is amazing it has and always has had a purpose. It is fulfilling that purpose to the highest degree. If it doesn't hit for you, don't watch it. Millions of others will be, and they'll learn from it, too.
Change is inevitable but that isn't an excuse to treat certain IPs like trash and insult whole audiences for calling out Disney for tokenism and relying on things based on uncontrollable characteristics WHILE ALSO CENSORING THAT SAME THING IN PLACES LIKE CHINA AND RUSSIA for quick cash.
I really love the proud family louder and prouder. It really is an update to the original Hit. It's pretty amazing and more woke up controversial issues like racism, colorism and even well prejudice and LGBT rights. The show is pretty amazing as I watched the original show for my childhood, I didn't let those criticisms control or hurt me. I love the show I really think the creators who really continue breaking the barriers of black representation
@@Edgar_Vira Good. So you've seen the episode that teaches no means no, the episode discussing anti-muslim hate crimes in the wake of 9/11, the one about homophobia, the one about segregation that put the characters into the Jim Crow Era, how the rich character of Wizard Kelly usually made the storylines worse as a commentary on capitalism, and the episode Pulp Boot Camp, about how purposefully stoking fear while claiming to be a trustworthy source of journalism is a bad thing, actually. I'm sure Matt Walsh missed that one.
Yeah, I have. The problem with these new episdoes is the execution. Nobody said you can´t tackle different problems of human society. But why now do we have to demonize white people, or black people who take the right to date only white people, or straight people, or someone who is just not like you. Sorry, but this show is garbage.
@@Edgar_Vira That's the thing, though. They didn't. The show said that *anyone* can be capable of any kind of prejudice, be you white, black, hispanic, gay, straight, what have you. So the fact that all you got away from it is "show bad because it said white people bad", then you were never actually paying attention.
I hear the complaints of the far right and conservative christian broadcasters and my first thought has always been "what's wrong with diversity? What's wrong with celebrating differences?". I love learning about different cultures and traditions... I don't know why it frightens so many people. I'm glad I had a lesson on diversity very early in life ... I think it's really shaped who I am. I'm definitely not the center of the universe and people should be judged by their character, and not their skin color or ethnicity. Very much love your videos and so glad you stayed ❤️❤️❤️
In this whole video, unless I have missed something, the main issue was never address. That issue is the "Slaves Built This Country" video. In that video it displays plenty of misinformation and has a "Give me stuff and special treatment because someone from generations ago in my family tree suffered even though it wasn't me" sort of attitude. It presents falsehoods as fact and that is a dangerous thing and has a very clear slant. My issue was never the LGBTQ+ representation but the slated and false statements. If you want to argue to it is not propaganda you have to address the actual issues that actual reasonable people talk about. Not the off-the-deep-end far right people who say things that are easy to argue against, poor form to only take the easy wins in arguments but ignore the actual issue. I have also heard claims that the writing and general presentation is very mediocre but that is a different issue and not one I can comment on as I haven't watched it and have no interest in doing so. This false information being clearly biased towards a people group can in fact categorize this as propaganda. A good video I watched on this is ruclips.net/video/Fa9_rgwRiH8/видео.html
This reboot is propoganda, I gotta be honest I really dislike how they handled other cultures that werent black, they were often misrepresented or used them as a punchline still such as the chang triplets, the use of the pocahontas costume, some latino jokes, and wierdly using white fragility in the second to last episode. They talked and refrenced an actual book that persuades veiwers to think a certain way, thats basically propoganda. And it bothered me how they said black people cant be racist when infact there are racist black people, my family and I experienced them when we were at mexico, a black family made fun of us assuming we didnt speak english and were saying how dumb my father looked and such and trying to disrespectfully speak broken spanish to my father as if he was dumb. This show rubbed my family and I the wrong way and my younger sister just didnt want to see it anymore, and as good as season 1 was, season 2 was very problematic and I just feel like they took it a step too far, and this is coming from a gay minority it wasnt good. You also havent mentioned whats the shows issues are and such your just like any conversative or liberal channel that just mentions the politics or what fills your agenda, I really hate how you havent mentioned the issues just to fill your agenda.😊
The reason why i see it as "propaganda" is that performance where they kept shouting "SLAVES BUILT THIS COUNTRY". I am not gonna mention everything wrong with it, but for one, slavery in the US actually was kept down because of slavery. Proud family also lives in a state where there were no slaves (only the southern states had them), so that they would rant about how slaves built this country then is rather weird. The whole scene overall was full of historical inaccuracies biased claima and made it seem like blacks are oppressed and whites are oppressors. I am not sure who is most insulted by this - Me, a white person from sweden, a country with no history of slave trade, who are told from this ahow that i am a villain to blacks because what another nation with the same race did to them hundreds of years ago, OR the black kid watching this made to believe the whole world will always discriminate against them.
Of course, it is propaganda. Any show, music, and books that try to change the point of view of those who watch it is propaganda. This is a good thing. Their good and bad propaganda, and the Proud Family is good propaganda.
@@fad23 "information, _especially_ of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote our publicize a particular cause of point of view" Meaning that it doesn't _have_ to be biased or misleading, but that those are common characteristics of propaganda. Signs telling you to wear your seat belt and throw away your trash are also technically propaganda, designed to sway the viewer toward an action or belief.
@@emilyrln Especially means "in particular", not "most often". Propaganda is always misleading information that aims to manipulate someone into believing a certain political stance. This show is not propaganda. It's just entertainment. It does teach things, but those things are not misleading or a scheme. They're just life values. You are sharing an improper definition of propaganda because you misunderstood it to begin with.
They're just mad that cartoons like this tell the truth, a different perspective that shocks conservatives who have priveleged experiences and choose to ignore real history. Instead of asking themselves why they feel the way they do, they point the blame towards the "other" to get rid of emotions they don't want to feel. What's easier to accept, that anything is someone else's fault, or that you've been lied to for your whole life, that our Amazing American Freedom doesn't actually exist for a lot of people? It's a tough pill to swallow when you've been taught there's nothing wrong for people who look and act like you, and denial turns to hate. It's the real devastating propaganda our country promotes, not BLM or the gay agenda or woke cartoons poisoning the youth's minds...
The problem isn't giving a different perspective in kid shows. The problem is when you present your perspective in a way that isn't reasonable. Also, if I may ask, why are conservatives considered bad at least based on what you have said?
@@MrcleanfrfrWell, from what I've seen, The extreme left side of the political spectrum seems to whine and cause problems. I mean, there's usually a extreme side to both political parties.
man I could have used a show like this growing up, before seeing South Park too early and coming away with the wrong lessons from it. Also I get a strong whiff of anti Semitism from the "disney used to be good and pure, until it was taken over by a cabal of 'cultural marxists'"
At the end of the day, the Proud Family is just a show with a hit/miss ratio of episodes (e.g. Bad Influence(r) = HIT/End of Innocence = MISS). But trust me when I say, when an episode hits... it's a knockout of pure feels, love, acceptance and a lesson well learnt. Despite it rocky upbringing, it's still an entertaining and informative show to watch and I hope the reboot keeps refining itself in later seasons to come!
Love your work on this, The Proud Family deserves all the best for what it's doing! Also, I know and really love Latoya, she's one of the most amazing people I've met and a fellow Ace-spectrum member of the LGBTQ+ community! Seeing right wing media dogpile her is one of the saddest and craziest things in my time as a professional artist, and she's one of the people I care for the most that I've met on my journey. I hope this downpour of hate hasn't clouded her love and passion.
I've always loved Disney but growing up I steered clear of the Disney Channel. I never watched Proud Family and didn't know stories or topics like that were explored in the show, but thanks to you I'll check it out. Thanks! :)
As much as I liked the gay dads episode, the episode about colorism was an absolute train wreck. Such antopic should've being taken with more nuance and consideration.
Saying The Proud Family was never "political" is like saying Captain Planet was never about saving the environment. Clearly none of these people actually watched the original, or if they did its so far back into their memory logs that they pretty much remember nothing about the show. I have my issues with some aspects of the reboot (like the fact that Penny's friends are still toxic af if not even more toxic now and the very poorly written colorism episode that desperately needed a rewrite or two) but there are some things they handle amazingly like with the gay dads, literally everything they did with Michael (LOVE his new character design), the guest voice casting, and the episode where Bebe is diagnosed as autistic literally made me cry as someone who is also autistic
It's not propaganda, it's bad writing. Seriously, I love progression in animation, but this show makes me cringe so hard sometimes with the way they write it. They make teenagers say things that no teen would ever say, and most adults wouldn't.
Seriously. This show isn't at fault for the PRESENCE of political topics, which could open some very good doors for interesting discussions, it's the EXECUTION of said topics that are the problem (which conservative commentators would know if they'd actually watched the show)
I'm sorry but since when did any show, especially cartoons, realistically portray what kids and teens say? It's always a heightened version of reality.
It makes me wonder what it even means to be "political" in a kids shows. A kids show doesn't even need to address a social issue, all it takes is the existence of someone who is not white, christain, traditional, cis, or hetero to be corrupt. Bigotry runs so rampant that theres always gonna be a group of people saying "I don't understand why they had to be [blank] though, like what agenda are pushing?" Any show that represents the real diverse world we live in rather than a perfect conservative fantasy is inherently "too political"
A few weeks ago I was talking to one of my coworkers about how I'm studying history, she asked me if we are "learning real history or not", trying to talk about how everything that she grew up learning is suddenly bad and inappropriate and harmful
Did these people not watch TV in the 90’s? As a millennial, the diversity of 90’s media taught me a lot. I lived in tiny midwestern town that was very homogeneous. The churches I grew up in stressed empathy, and listening. So I was open to learning about things like Kwanzaa from the proud family. In retrospect I really appreciate these 90’s creators. Shows like Fresh Prince taught me a lot, I specifically remember “blood is thicker than mud.”, and “mistaken identity” being impactful. All that, Moesha, Kenan and Kel, Taina, cheetah girls, that’s so raven, Selena Gomez, Demi lovato; That’s what my generation grew up on. So, yea, a lot of us are willing to hear other perspectives. Brandy was my first Cinderella, and I am only mad about fact that I can’t buy the soundtrack. I mean Whitney Houston has ruined that musical for me, because no one can live up to her vocals. imagine the conservative outrage if they cast them today.
The thing is, this new Proud Family is not "showing" their message, their "telling" you that. I agree that they are definitely not in favor at all for this show, but a lot of non conservatives have called out this show also. The show is just too preachy and more like a lecture than the first Proud Family. It doesn't help that the ideas that they pushed in the show is not as general as the old ones, there are a lot of controversial and/or side blaming in this one.
@@alilishaa8824 that’s a fair point, there could be more nuance. I suppose the part that strikes me as odd, or disingenuous is the tone conservatives commentators use to cover media topics. The tendency to view social critique or commentary as an “attack on conservatives”, or as something new to storytelling, gives me some pause. The tone also seems to imply that many progressive ideas are some strange new wild concept, as though many of them didn’t live through the 60’s. I think part of the disconnect is that the younger generation is becoming much more frank with their discussions of social issues, then marketers promote that aspect more heavily than before. I think if Brandy was cast now, she would likely be dealing similar internet discourse, and issues as Halle Bailey. Which sucks, because neither deserves that.
As a white non-binary person, this makes me want to go watch the show in full. I've seen a few clips on RUclips but I was concerned because a lot of people say it's too "woke." I hate that word because it feels like a word used to undermine the progress people of color and LGBTQ people have made throughout many years. I get it in some cases as I myself prefer more subtle representation for LGBTQ issues and people like how they did it in something like The owl house or Steven Universe. I can't personally say on the matter of people of color however I do think the proud family does a very good job showing of diversity for people of color.
Why do you have to bring your race and gender identity up? I mean, I only bring up me being black and a trans woman when it's relevant to the discussion. Also, I don't care about representation because I can still relate to people without caring about their race and gender identity, you moronic, pathetic, one-dimensional, OUT OF TOUCH, RADICALIZED, CONFUSED, "I support the current thing" PRIVILEGED SHEEP
@@fangirldreamer748 ok Don't believe me even with the episode of how they talked about slaves and Police brutality and made it seem like they were the problem
it is, the new one is heavy handed and does show bad messages as the mix relationship episode did by her friends being fake and gaslighting her for something that wasn't a issue til they made it one and also doesn't get info right other
What this video is: a thoughtful commentary on the evolution of how we teach kids heavy topics of today as well as not being afraid to be themselves through the view of a show. The biggest thing I got out of it: oh wow, Joyce Wrice did the intro, hell yeah
Never heard of this show. From the title alone and in the year 2023 it could be everything from a sesame-street-style-show aimed at 3-year-olds to the gayest big-brother-show ever to some docu series about a white supremacist family who stormed the capitol. Times are wild.
I don’t like the new show that much but for different reasons not lgbt. But I think I’ll give it another chance because of what you are saying because I love a show that shows different type of people.
Marlene, I first of just want to say how I admire your endurance whenever you make a video like this or the Muppets Crossdressing one. To sit through and get all the clips of angry right-wing b*llshit-spewing nonsense to get the material necessary for these videos. It can't be a pleasant experience. As for the "This is propaganda. What we do is a-political" it kind of reminds me of how I've encountered religious people who argue that they aren't religious at all. No, no. Because, of course, their religion is the truth, it's all the other religions who are wrong (I had a teacher who was a very devote christian who argued that he couldn't be religious because he didn't see christianity as a religion). Also, also, the political reading or apolitical art thing. I remember the "all art is political" and how one person countered that with "what's the political message of TETRIS?" (which can lead into the debate on wether or not video games are art but I won't go there this time). I'd say that all art is expression, and all, to almost all, expressions can be viewed and interpreted in a political way. Take something ancient like a fable of Aesop. Let's take the one with the dog who sees their reflection in the water. The reflection also has a bone in its mouth so the dog opens their mouth to take the bone from the other dog, and in doing so, drops their own bone into the water. Simple story, I could retell it all in two sentences, and yet the moral is clear; "Don't be greedy or you might lose what you already have." Can this story be interpreted in a political way? Sure, some would call it anti-capitalist propaganda for daring to say that greed is bad. Greed is good! It's thanks to greed and capitalism that spawns innovation and yadda yadda, words words words. IT'S PROPAGANDA!! Because it seems like these days "It's propaganda!" doesn't necessarily mean "it has a political agenda" as much as "It has a political agenda THAT I DISAGREE WITH!" (Not to mention how some would get upset that I refered to the dog in the singular they, since wether or not the dog was female or male was irrelevant to the story, but that would be seen as "propaganda" and forcing gender into a story were it doesn't belong and yadda yadda, words words words). As for TETRIS you can definately read that as a critique on conformity. Because when all blocks align on a row they dissapear. That's what happens when you conform, when you become part of the majority group. You dissapear. All traces of your individuality gone. Now, was this the intent behind that the creator behind Tetris was trying to say? Probably not, they just wanted to make a fun game as a way to teach math. But still, you can interpret it in a political way. Truly apolitical art is hard, not to say impossible, to make as soon as it becomes a bit more complex, has any morals or hell, even if it's just a joke. Which brings me to the classic line when someone was criticing singer-songwriters during the 60's who often had politically charged text that who said that they shouldn't write or sing about anti-war or pro-civil rights and just "Shout their mouths and sing". I think that greatly summarises this thing.
finally a video about this, i look up "proud family reboot" on youtube and every top video is a bunch of right wing people reusing the word WOKE over and over again 💀
To me, if you don't like art just don't buy it. I only call for more serious action if it's hate speech or child pornography. I respect people's freedoms more than these conservatives. There's loads of art with messages/morals I don't agree with, but I don't demand it be banned, I just don't look at it or buy it. With bigoted views, yes I hate these views and disagree with the., I demand it be removed because it calls upon mistreating and dehumanizing people who deserve rights. And juatifies treating them as subhuman. If there's any reason I get in my soapbox about human rights, it's because in society, we should think about other people. Current conservatives have enabled selfishness and cruelty and have created the idea that meanness is power. I think this is from villifying Liberals, that anything a liberal supports is evil and that to not be as an evil liberal you shouldn't listen to them or cobsider how they view things. This way you can be a hero. After all in this world view, villains never mean to do the right thing or have human qualities. I also question, what's bad about wokeism? What is wrong with teaching Kids about LGBTQ+ folks? What's dangerous about learning that the founding fathers were slaveowners? I am a mixed race autistic cis-het man. I know people that are LGBTQ+, they aren't villains, they aren't harming children. They're people who wish to live their lives abd hust trying to get by.
3 episodes out of 2 seasons have problematic idealogy. That means over 90% of the show is actually fun. I'm a moderate who Leans conservative a little but after watching the show with everything in context, it's not that bad. "Slaves built this country" was a debate competition so yes it is inaccurate in order for the characters to win. Zoey's silence is a medical condition. Age of innocence was everyone being bad friends to Zoey. Juneteenth actually debunked white privilege.
I love watching your videos, the production quality, the writing, all of it is stunning. Also the thing I notice, is that these people have always been represented in media, but now that people who are different then them, and have like, 1% of the representation that they have, they flip out because they’re not being represented. It’s kinda ironic.
The only thing that is very "propaganda" about The Proud Family: Louder and Prouder is that Penny is the reason why all Movies is no longer being made. Because she gave them bad reviews.
SUMMER MAGIC was set in Massachusetts and (mostly) Maine. The history of Massachusetts has been characterized by only minor systemic racism - most of it the doing of private entities and not the government anyway - and that of Maine by even less. I don't see how depicting each of these states in the 1910s is linked to civil rights. You're also assuming that people who are nostalgic for the culture of a past era are also nostalgic for its politics, which isn't necessarily true. Fans of 1980s culture are usually not great lovers of Ronald Reagan; in fact, more often than not they enjoy the ANTI-Reagan cultural expressions from that decade.
Correction: In the video I say the Proud Family was the first Disney Channel show about a Black family, but it was actually The Famous Jett Jackson.
What’s your favorite Disney Channel theme song?🎶
The suite life of Zack and Cody
Kim Possible
does boy meets world count?
@@quoth128 yes
The themes from Kim Possible and Phineas and Ferb.
And I know I just commented on the video but I wanted to bring forth this theory I had as to why Disney fans are so entangled in the culture wars; Baby Boomers, Generation Xers and Millennials grew up with Disney content that was intentionally curated to present an unproblematic image of Disney that doesn't dive deep into the company's 100 year history. Hence why many grew up with the animated classics that Walt produced, the Renaissance animated classics, the live-action and animated shows of the 80s and 90s, the live -action films both produced by Walt and the ones released after. Few if at all tackled any serious issues and if they did it was hidden or presented in a manner that "wouldn't upset anyone". It's why ethnic caricatures lasted a long time in that time frame because no one that had mindset of how this was harmful. So now these generations look at the stuff being produced today and when they see the contrast rather than realizing how things have changed and how there is a need for wider voices to be heard, they feel that it's an attack on THEIR childhood and THEIR nostalgia , so they want to attack that and label it as a dangerous things for today's generation.
Granted, many of the inclusive actions taken by Disney and other companies can be seen as disingenuous and not accurate as to what our communities want. But saying that it's an issue to even bring it up and try to tell a story about it is saying that our voices and presence shouldn't be seen, heard or felt, that if we try to do our take on a classic story it's "woke", it's a disaster, and "propaganda". And it all sterns from the idea that in the good old days said ideas would be ignored because we were too ignorant about it all
But now our stories have a wider range of voices, and many companies and studios are realizing that we have to put a spotlight on many communities and their stories because we denied them that opportunity for years. It's breaking the status quo and thus people react like it's a bad thing. Like I mentioned, it's not like the other side have THEIR own set of propaganda pieces to teach kids their lessons and morals. Veggietales on the surface may be a cute cartoon about singing and dancing vegetables, but they were created to share Christian beliefs and stories. That's propaganda right there!
Every story told was always told with the belief of teaching something. The Proud Family wants to tell it's story and while sometimes it ain't perfect to attack it for even trying to do it is dangerous and shows how toxic these culture wars have become in fandoms and society in general
they are so used to forcing their ideologies on other people that they project on leftists as doing the same thing all the time when it's not the case
There's "allowing voices to be heard" and then there's literally being so aggressive with your message that you forgot the part of actually handling the message in a more mature way.
Literal cartoons from the 90s(LITERALLY THE PROGRESSIVE TIME FOR ANY MINORITY GROUP) handled the SAME topics better due to being more mature and respecting the audiences' intelligence.
@@FireGlitch not really no. The shows then didn’t really get into the problem (not all I’m sure there are a couple that did) or they used metaphorical characters and situations. Yes the overall messaging is the same but for some reason people now don’t like it being told straight up they would rather go back to the 90’s where it was briefly talked about and quickly solved (which is unrealistic) or they use some sort of metaphor character or situation to tell the overall message
it makes me so sad and so tired that still to this day lgbt people are still seen as propaganda only because we breathe, specially lgbt youth, and as young queer person myself it makes me so tired the fact that i can't do anything to stop it, its stupid, anyway this was a very good video!!
As some random nobody's internet opioid, I don't think those people actually believe it's propaganda it's just the excuse, anything short of making the family drug dealers they are going to like it
I agree. People jumping to diverse media being bad for featuring, and discussing, its diversity is rather confusing and concerning. Queer people are people. Same for all of all backgrounds. It makes no sense to blame people for existing.
Because of the controlling and conservative christian upbringing I had, I didn't realize that I was not heterosexual and was in fact gay until much later in life once I was free from the control and abuse. (and the church) I will gladly accept the tag that I am "woke" because it's like I was in a coma for much of my life. I'm so glad kids are able to realize who they are so much earlier so they don't have to wait til they're Suga Mama's age to fully embrace who they are! ❤️
They don’t want to see anyone not like them - That in itself offends them.
Someone online recently said I was "grooming" kids and that I was gross, all because I said trans kids exist and that's okay, basically. Like, I JUST turned 18. I was a kid literally three months ago. These people are irrational as hell
As a black person, I dislike the show for its mishandling of certain topics.
Heck, there are people in the black community(as well as other minority groups) who also dislike the reboot and you don't seem to even mention them yet would rather make it seem like only conservatives(or anyone that can be portrayed as evil) are against the show.
I hope this isn't an attempt to frame a narrative by removing context.
Bumpin this comment 👀
It definitely is. I’ve seen several videos of African Americans refuting this show’s points. It’s not just a few conservative radicals.
A funny thing about "Summer Magic" is that, apparently, Hayley Mills considers it the worst film she made with Disney.
NGL I was genuinely surprised by the mention of Chile's dictatorship and Disney influence on my country on this video, but I'm so glad it was brought up! Now I have a new book to read omw to work, and I didn't even know it existed! As always Marlene, hearing your opinions is a delight.
A big hug from Chile :)
Funny how whenever these people talk about these shows and issues, they ignore the ACTUAL flaws in the narrative, like is the message delivered well enough, how does it work with the story and such. It's ALWAYS the "OMG THIS IS WOKE THIS IS PROPAGANDA" garbage. As Dane from Actual Fandom said in a stream, half of these people haven't even watched one episode of either iteration of the series but are reacting to out of context clips made to get people mad without understanding WHY the show is saying what it wants to say.
IN ADDITION, funny how they see this as being propaganda to groom and brainwash kids, yet they have their own shows, books, videos and such to make sure they grow up to be conservative adults. And I ain't even touching how books have been banned and how schools are being slammed with restrictions as to what they should be teaching. So this is only "bad" when it's about things that affects marginalized people...I see how that is.
List a popular conservative show, book, and movie that ISN'T made fun of for being ridiculous as HEELL.
@@FireGlitch Agree on both comments really. Both sides get made fun of & it's a neverending cycle really. Just look at Chris Chan for example; every side you can ever thank of has made fun of him. Or heck, just look at the amount of people that have made fun at My Immortal(the Harry Potter fanfic, not the song) at some point.
The Proud Family is the show I watch a lot when it was on ABC Kids.
It's extremely obvious that the people who make these accusations have never seen the og Proud Family.
And/or have neglected to mention that they also objected to the OG show, too--or would have, if they'd been aware of it.
For sure. You see it in their wording. All the things they complain about were in the original show
You don't even have to watch the original to see how bad the reboot is at least with how it handles topics like slavery.
Candace is the most sad as she lacks any awareness or just plain lies. The og proud family was for little girls who looked like her.
These “critics” are miserable and horrid people that want attention by any means necessary. I loved and still love The Proud Family. I always have and always will.
I agree
You hit the nail right on the head, friendo. It's how the performative-outrage sausage gets made- these saddos decide to be mad at something before it even comes out, they retrofit what they eventually get into a prefab narrative guaranteed to generate large amounts of outrage-driven traffic and engagement, and EVERY, SINGLE, TIME, the dunderheads on 4chan and in the Bible and Rust Belts eat it up with a spoon!
@Ben Franklin "HOLY FISH-PASTE! Looks like we got ourselves a rabble-rouser! What's your name, son? ARE YOU A RABBLE-ROUSER? Well, I sure hope ya are! Because you look mighty tasty! And it's too soon after breakfast for me to wanna CHEW SOMEBODY'S HEAD OFF!!!"
If you are talking about the original show, yes.
If you are talking about the REBOOT, no, please no.
@@FireGlitch Because Heaven forefend you be disabused of the idea that racism and white privilege are a past-tense problem.
Most works are political or influenced by politics. Just being influenced by politics isn't the same as getting on top of a soapbox and being preachy. Bruce Lee jumping 20 feet in the air and kicking a "No dogs or Chinese allowed" sign is political and not subtle but that's a pretty easy pill to swallow so no one minds.
like I don't even think something made by humans *can* lack politics
like politics are like a projection of what we think is right and/or how the world should work, whether we know it or not
@@elipticalecliptic481 That' not true, this comment shows a lack of understanding of what politics are
@@Mrcleanfrfr what is your definition of politics
The problem isn't adding political themes to many works.
The problem is when you're clearly adding your political and personal bias to certain works that comes across as ridiculous.
@@FireGlitch every work has a political bias of some sort; whether someone picks up on it depends on their media literacy and their own biases, whatever those may be
1:01 Never in a million years would I've ever imagined the Proud Family... the PROUD FAMILY being compared to a literal military propaganda cartoon. What are these people smoking and where can I get some? lmao.
Yeah it's not like that. It's kinda just badly written. Representation and cultural progression can and has been done much better.
@@Nakia11798 I mean I'm literally watching the first episode of the reboot right now and I actually think it's really funny. To each their own I guess.
Re: OP, I was wondering the same thing lol
@@DreamsoundsVideo I am so sorry that you know what Squirrel and Hedgehog is lol.
@@benburke3015 Saberspark has a video about Squirrel and Hedgehog.
Hear me out, Glee is now technically a Disney property, just saying…
I think it would be so incredibly interesting to see a video about Unique, the show’s first trans character. They were definitely a LOT of things that could’ve been handled better with her storylines. But for good majority of people watching the show, that was the first time they were even made aware that Trans people even existed, her first appearance on was in 2013, that’s so crazy to me.
It would also be really interesting to analyze Alex Newell’s journey getting in the show, they started on the reality show “The Glee Project” in which the winner would have a character written for them. But Alex didn’t win the show, two boring straight white guys won. Alex was just a runner-up, which meant that they only got a two episode guest appearance, which introduced Unique.
But because of how popular Unique was on those two episodes, in the next season, she was made a series regular, and those two straight white guys that won the Glee Project, got written out of the show, because they were kinda bad actors.
If you want to check out some iconic Unique performances, I recommend Boogie Shoes, Diamonds Are a Girl’s Best Friend, Love Child, Blow Me(One Last Kiss), If I Were a Boy and I Know Where I’ve Been.
Honestly, it didn't even occur to me to do a video on Glee, I think my mind has kind of ignored a lot of the acquisition stuff. But I loved it back in the day and will definitely make a video about it sometime, thank you for the reminder! Unique was one of my favorite characters
These videos are so fascinating and of high quality. Thank you.
So conservatives are yet again upset at a reboot, remake, or sequel of something they're nostalgic for because it touches on modern social issues, despite art having always been influenced by the world around it. What else is new?
If I may ask, why has led you to your overall hate towards hate conservatives ?
@@FireGlitch It wouldn't be fair to say I hate them exactly, just that many of their values by definition are often the opposite of my own, such as an overall desire to keep the country from welcoming new people, ideas, and practices, in other words to 'conserve' what they believe is already perfect.
@@DOCTOR.DEADHEAD I mean, your comment makes it seem like conservatives are no different from rednecks who want to hate on stuff for being different.
i havent watched the reboot yet but "snow white privilege and her 7 old entitled white men" fuggin SENT me X'D like... unironically thats an EXCELLENT title for a critical analysis essay and im p sure the white guy saying it doesn't realize how absolutely brilliant it is.
I personally just feel like the execution of the topics could have been a bit better.
These haters just want to complain because they're racist and homophobic. Proud family has some problematic things like Dijonay being Penny's worst friend with no redeemable qualities and the fact she's Penny's darker skinned friend. There's more deeper things to get into but these hate mongers don't know a thing about these things. Proud family is still leagues ahead of these shows and weren't afraid to attempt to address feminism, xenophobia, black issues, and much more
The main difference is that the OG version handled those topics WAAAAY better than the reboot.
Don't blame the audience for "culture wars".
@@FireGlitch In what ways did they handle it better? Assuming you did in fact see the original. Examples appreciated.
@@C-Hubb In what ways?
@@C-Hubb And now I know you get your news from a sad divorced man named chowder. Your words no longer have meaning.
I personally dislike the proud family: Louder and Prouder because the writing is sloppy, the issues are treated pretty clumsily and everyone is unnecessarily mean to everyone else, not this culture war bs.
Ikr
Everyone was unnecessarily mean to everyone else in the original… they were just somewhat funnier about it and didn’t say things like “USE YOUR MAGICAL HONKEY POWERS!”
its terrible writing but has potential but its in crosss fire of controvesry and its a heat that grows
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I cannot wait for someone to make a Captain Planet reboot only for some schmuck to say that it's some how NOW P.C. I'm sick of this cheap, obnoxious fearmongering about propaganda from PAID propaganda sources weaponizing nostalgia. Remember when everyone was somehow pissed off Pepe Le Pew wasn't in Space Jam 2, and it was mostly from 40+ year olds who weren't going to go see a kid's movie anyway? On every level annoying. And half that stuff WAS P.C.ish in the first place. If anything, no matter how many messages you put in a show, it's not like they're going to take anyway. Otherwise we wouldn't have a generation of jerks that overlooked the positive messages of friendship and being a decent person from Sesame Street to whine about how P.C it is because Pinball Number Count isn't on every episode anymore.
Pepe definitely could’ve been handled better since he has been portrayed and re-imagined in less problematic ways before, but I do agree with pretty much everything else.
@@mr.x2567 Pepe wasn't in the movie because they wrote this TERRIBLE scene that tried to address the problem, but only exacerbated it. It would have essentially stopped the movie dead for a lecture on consent, misunderstanding the character. My point is, the thing was made for 10 year olds, not 40+ somethings who wouldn't have wanted to watch the thing anyway. But I just HATE when some of my favorite things are weaponized for purposes of hate. It's like the whole Dr. Seuss thing. His estate stopped publishing a bunch of unprofitable books that weren't turned into Netflix cartoons or Illumination movies because they had some offensive Asian imagery, and all the sudden he's cancelled and a certain group of talking heads who would NOT be on his political side pretending to come to his defense. That just made me sick, as did the backlash to Disney + putting "fair for its day, but still wrong then" warnings on The Muppet Show (yet somehow not knowing that even Rescue Rangers had them).
@@mightyfilm and kids, of course, aren’t watching the movie with possible 40+ year old parents? Kids just are to be sat down in front of a screen to watch jingling keys in front of their dumb little faces?
I mean, looney tunes wasn’t for kids originally, and kids aren’t going to understand what the title “space jam” is all about since this doesn’t involve space… seems to me that it’s not for ten year olds, when they have the paw patrol movie to watch.
What it WAS for was people who knew the original and had been quoting the theme song all that time…
You know, 40 year olds.
I love watching you become less filtered and more radicalized
Radicalization? That’s not good!
What was radical about this?
@@Mrcleanfrfr"The reboot stays true to the original"
Literally the title of one of the video chapters.
The reboot is a MOCKERY to the show, especially with how the reboot decided to handle their message about slavery in a VERY terrible way.
Literal 90s cartoons handled dark topics more in a way that's more mature than the whole reboot AND that was a FAR LESS progressive time to live in.
@@FireGlitch people forget that the problem isn’t the message, but the execution.
The black dad was going “USE YOUR WHITE PRIVILEGE” like “USE YOUR MAGICAL HONKEY POWERS” and people for whatever reason think that’s the same level as Static Shock giving Richies dad the benefit of the doubt several times before finally realizing that he is in fact a racist… and he doesn’t even SAY the word, RICHIE says it.
And this is coming from someone who thought the proud family wasn’t even that good in the OG. Sugar Mama being the horrible abusive bitch that she was to Oscar.
The second season episode about colorism just rubbed me the wrong way. They didn't explained any of this to Zoey, Dejonay and Penny ignoring their boyfriends and pretty much if you date outside your race your a problem. Also they never apologized to Zoe other than Penny
Or confront Noah.
I actually did an alternate take where Noah calls them out, saying “Come on, Zoey, let’s go- you’re better then this.”
@@battybuddy Noah literally ignored white girls more conventionally attractive and also Zoey wasn't the only one changing her attitude because he arrived.
Heck, Penny was the only one not having these assumptions.
And the wording is messed up "vanilla, white chocolate" and the other ones (I don't remember).
The only one who wasn't a bitch was Penny, and the worst was this awful cunt Maya, who started it but then act all high and mighty.
As much as I enjoy the gay character being more openly gay now, it's still really insensitive and racist for them to dress up as "Pocahontas".
Like yeah Michael does have Powhatan heritage, but that doesn't mean he has their struggles or understands that identity.
@@nicholasrodinos4701 Yeah plus all the weird racist stuff that is just the pochantas myth
@@knifebaastard And the creepy pedophila of John Smith. Pocahontas was like 10-12 when Smith met her and he's talking about making her his wife.
I really think he should have been Ariel instead. Not only with the upcoming Little Mermaid remake but because he could come back with relating to Ariel for wanting to be herself or something.
Yeah, I will say that is definitely a problem that I noticed when that happened. I really wish they didn't insert that in.
This is an incredible take on this whole situation. What am I saying? You always have incredible takes! It's too often that I see people mindlessly debating over whether or not Disney has "lost its magic" or if the show is too preachy or if it's propaganda. People don't seem to realize that change is inevitable; this show is amazing it has and always has had a purpose. It is fulfilling that purpose to the highest degree. If it doesn't hit for you, don't watch it. Millions of others will be, and they'll learn from it, too.
Change is inevitable but that isn't an excuse to treat certain IPs like trash and insult whole audiences for calling out Disney for tokenism and relying on things based on uncontrollable characteristics WHILE ALSO CENSORING THAT SAME THING IN PLACES LIKE CHINA AND RUSSIA for quick cash.
I really love the proud family louder and prouder. It really is an update to the original Hit. It's pretty amazing and more woke up controversial issues like racism, colorism and even well prejudice and LGBT rights.
The show is pretty amazing as I watched the original show for my childhood, I didn't let those criticisms control or hurt me. I love the show
I really think the creators who really continue breaking the barriers of black representation
tet colorism episode shows that everybody is a little bit racist, even you and me.
You Say that because you black and racist
I keep saying this, but anyone who thinks the new Proud Family is "woke" compared to the original has never seen the original.
fucking right????
I feel like I'm going crazy, how did people *miss* the politics?
Oh, I have...
@@Edgar_Vira Good. So you've seen the episode that teaches no means no, the episode discussing anti-muslim hate crimes in the wake of 9/11, the one about homophobia, the one about segregation that put the characters into the Jim Crow Era, how the rich character of Wizard Kelly usually made the storylines worse as a commentary on capitalism, and the episode Pulp Boot Camp, about how purposefully stoking fear while claiming to be a trustworthy source of journalism is a bad thing, actually. I'm sure Matt Walsh missed that one.
Yeah, I have. The problem with these new episdoes is the execution. Nobody said you can´t tackle different problems of human society. But why now do we have to demonize white people, or black people who take the right to date only white people, or straight people, or someone who is just not like you. Sorry, but this show is garbage.
@@Edgar_Vira That's the thing, though. They didn't. The show said that *anyone* can be capable of any kind of prejudice, be you white, black, hispanic, gay, straight, what have you. So the fact that all you got away from it is "show bad because it said white people bad", then you were never actually paying attention.
I hear the complaints of the far right and conservative christian broadcasters and my first thought has always been "what's wrong with diversity? What's wrong with celebrating differences?". I love learning about different cultures and traditions... I don't know why it frightens so many people. I'm glad I had a lesson on diversity very early in life ... I think it's really shaped who I am. I'm definitely not the center of the universe and people should be judged by their character, and not their skin color or ethnicity.
Very much love your videos and so glad you stayed ❤️❤️❤️
Wait, you actually watch conservative Christian broadcasts?
I haven't watched shit from that side because I don't go out of my way for that shit.
In this whole video, unless I have missed something, the main issue was never address. That issue is the "Slaves Built This Country" video. In that video it displays plenty of misinformation and has a "Give me stuff and special treatment because someone from generations ago in my family tree suffered even though it wasn't me" sort of attitude. It presents falsehoods as fact and that is a dangerous thing and has a very clear slant. My issue was never the LGBTQ+ representation but the slated and false statements. If you want to argue to it is not propaganda you have to address the actual issues that actual reasonable people talk about. Not the off-the-deep-end far right people who say things that are easy to argue against, poor form to only take the easy wins in arguments but ignore the actual issue. I have also heard claims that the writing and general presentation is very mediocre but that is a different issue and not one I can comment on as I haven't watched it and have no interest in doing so. This false information being clearly biased towards a people group can in fact categorize this as propaganda. A good video I watched on this is ruclips.net/video/Fa9_rgwRiH8/видео.html
Yes, it is propaganda. Not only that, the show takes place in California, which was not a slave state before or during the American Civil War
This reboot is propoganda, I gotta be honest I really dislike how they handled other cultures that werent black, they were often misrepresented or used them as a punchline still such as the chang triplets, the use of the pocahontas costume, some latino jokes, and wierdly using white fragility in the second to last episode. They talked and refrenced an actual book that persuades veiwers to think a certain way, thats basically propoganda.
And it bothered me how they said black people cant be racist when infact there are racist black people, my family and I experienced them when we were at mexico, a black family made fun of us assuming we didnt speak english and were saying how dumb my father looked and such and trying to disrespectfully speak broken spanish to my father as if he was dumb.
This show rubbed my family and I the wrong way and my younger sister just didnt want to see it anymore, and as good as season 1 was, season 2 was very problematic and I just feel like they took it a step too far, and this is coming from a gay minority it wasnt good.
You also havent mentioned whats the shows issues are and such your just like any conversative or liberal channel that just mentions the politics or what fills your agenda, I really hate how you havent mentioned the issues just to fill your agenda.😊
Damn, that Jo Marie Payton quote at the end was beautiful.
I didn't know who voiced Suga Mama but when Jo Payton started talking I knew it was her.
The reason why i see it as "propaganda" is that performance where they kept shouting "SLAVES BUILT THIS COUNTRY". I am not gonna mention everything wrong with it, but for one, slavery in the US actually was kept down because of slavery. Proud family also lives in a state where there were no slaves (only the southern states had them), so that they would rant about how slaves built this country then is rather weird. The whole scene overall was full of historical inaccuracies biased claima and made it seem like blacks are oppressed and whites are oppressors. I am not sure who is most insulted by this - Me, a white person from sweden, a country with no history of slave trade, who are told from this ahow that i am a villain to blacks because what another nation with the same race did to them hundreds of years ago, OR the black kid watching this made to believe the whole world will always discriminate against them.
You could show these people something like Godzilla and the only take away they'll have is "Ooooh, cool! Big dinosaur breathing fire!"
Didn't the creator joked about having a not so secret gay agenda and turned Michael into a queer stereotype?
Of course, it is propaganda. Any show, music, and books that try to change the point of view of those who watch it is propaganda. This is a good thing. Their good and bad propaganda, and the Proud Family is good propaganda.
By the definition given in the video - NO, not everything is propoganda. Propoganda by definition is intentionally misleading.
@@fad23 "information, _especially_ of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote our publicize a particular cause of point of view"
Meaning that it doesn't _have_ to be biased or misleading, but that those are common characteristics of propaganda. Signs telling you to wear your seat belt and throw away your trash are also technically propaganda, designed to sway the viewer toward an action or belief.
@@emilyrln Especially means "in particular", not "most often". Propaganda is always misleading information that aims to manipulate someone into believing a certain political stance. This show is not propaganda. It's just entertainment. It does teach things, but those things are not misleading or a scheme. They're just life values. You are sharing an improper definition of propaganda because you misunderstood it to begin with.
@Daruki Neo That's because of the poor writing
@Daruki Neo it's not you're just anti black
Ironically, Louder and Prouder has made fun of these kinds of critics who cry woke to make themselves look smarter before.
you have to give it to them: "snow white privilege and the seven angry old white men" is a great title ;)
-taQ'pu eQ
They're just mad that cartoons like this tell the truth, a different perspective that shocks conservatives who have priveleged experiences and choose to ignore real history. Instead of asking themselves why they feel the way they do, they point the blame towards the "other" to get rid of emotions they don't want to feel. What's easier to accept, that anything is someone else's fault, or that you've been lied to for your whole life, that our Amazing American Freedom doesn't actually exist for a lot of people? It's a tough pill to swallow when you've been taught there's nothing wrong for people who look and act like you, and denial turns to hate. It's the real devastating propaganda our country promotes, not BLM or the gay agenda or woke cartoons poisoning the youth's minds...
The problem isn't giving a different perspective in kid shows.
The problem is when you present your perspective in a way that isn't reasonable.
Also, if I may ask, why are conservatives considered bad at least based on what you have said?
@@FireGlitch Are you joking, all they do is whine and cause problems, have you been living underneath a rock or something?
@@MrcleanfrfrWell, from what I've seen, The extreme left side of the political spectrum seems to whine and cause problems.
I mean, there's usually a extreme side to both political parties.
man I could have used a show like this growing up, before seeing South Park too early and coming away with the wrong lessons from it.
Also I get a strong whiff of anti Semitism from the "disney used to be good and pure, until it was taken over by a cabal of 'cultural marxists'"
This isn’t propaganda. The real propaganda is from the ones calling it propaganda.
At the end of the day, the Proud Family is just a show with a hit/miss ratio of episodes (e.g. Bad Influence(r) = HIT/End of Innocence = MISS). But trust me when I say, when an episode hits... it's a knockout of pure feels, love, acceptance and a lesson well learnt. Despite it rocky upbringing, it's still an entertaining and informative show to watch and I hope the reboot keeps refining itself in later seasons to come!
When I heard Peyton's voice in this video I couldn't help but think that yep that's Suga Mama.
Your essays just keep getting better and better!
If you want to do history wrong, expect criticism.
Love your work on this, The Proud Family deserves all the best for what it's doing! Also, I know and really love Latoya, she's one of the most amazing people I've met and a fellow Ace-spectrum member of the LGBTQ+ community! Seeing right wing media dogpile her is one of the saddest and craziest things in my time as a professional artist, and she's one of the people I care for the most that I've met on my journey. I hope this downpour of hate hasn't clouded her love and passion.
Eve if it is MISS LEADING TO EVERY ONE.
1:25 I remember there was an entire episode where Penny thinks she time traveled back to the 60s
Conveniently avoided all the black people calling out the show as woke pandering?
Yeah, that's quite odd.
love this! giggled at your moesha pronounciation though. it's mow-e-sha. great video tho
The difference between indocrination and visibility is that only one shows all sides of the story.
I've always loved Disney but growing up I steered clear of the Disney Channel. I never watched Proud Family and didn't know stories or topics like that were explored in the show, but thanks to you I'll check it out. Thanks! :)
As much as I liked the gay dads episode, the episode about colorism was an absolute train wreck. Such antopic should've being taken with more nuance and consideration.
Thanks for your readership.
That BLM speech was pretty propagandaish ngl
Saying The Proud Family was never "political" is like saying Captain Planet was never about saving the environment.
Clearly none of these people actually watched the original, or if they did its so far back into their memory logs that they pretty much remember nothing about the show. I have my issues with some aspects of the reboot (like the fact that Penny's friends are still toxic af if not even more toxic now and the very poorly written colorism episode that desperately needed a rewrite or two) but there are some things they handle amazingly like with the gay dads, literally everything they did with Michael (LOVE his new character design), the guest voice casting, and the episode where Bebe is diagnosed as autistic literally made me cry as someone who is also autistic
It's not propaganda, it's bad writing.
Seriously, I love progression in animation, but this show makes me cringe so hard sometimes with the way they write it. They make teenagers say things that no teen would ever say, and most adults wouldn't.
Finally someone said it and I wish these conservatives would critique media properly 🤦🏿
Seriously. This show isn't at fault for the PRESENCE of political topics, which could open some very good doors for interesting discussions, it's the EXECUTION of said topics that are the problem (which conservative commentators would know if they'd actually watched the show)
@@afoolishfopdoodle3284 Yeah
I'm sorry but since when did any show, especially cartoons, realistically portray what kids and teens say? It's always a heightened version of reality.
Stfu No show shows exactly what most teens say and not every teenager is the same were all different
The only thing I hate is that they had to pair the black gay guy with white man I kinda hate that troupe beasuce black gay couples do exist
Thank you for your input. We really value it! 🥰💕
It makes me wonder what it even means to be "political" in a kids shows. A kids show doesn't even need to address a social issue, all it takes is the existence of someone who is not white, christain, traditional, cis, or hetero to be corrupt. Bigotry runs so rampant that theres always gonna be a group of people saying "I don't understand why they had to be [blank] though, like what agenda are pushing?" Any show that represents the real diverse world we live in rather than a perfect conservative fantasy is inherently "too political"
The hell it aint
A few weeks ago I was talking to one of my coworkers about how I'm studying history, she asked me if we are "learning real history or not", trying to talk about how everything that she grew up learning is suddenly bad and inappropriate and harmful
how the hell did anyone think The Proud Family of all fucking shows wasn't political; like did they live under a rock
Did these people not watch TV in the 90’s? As a millennial, the diversity of 90’s media taught me a lot. I lived in tiny midwestern town that was very homogeneous. The churches I grew up in stressed empathy, and listening. So I was open to learning about things like Kwanzaa from the proud family. In retrospect I really appreciate these 90’s creators.
Shows like Fresh Prince taught me a lot, I specifically remember “blood is thicker than mud.”, and “mistaken identity” being impactful.
All that, Moesha, Kenan and Kel, Taina, cheetah girls, that’s so raven, Selena Gomez, Demi lovato; That’s what my generation grew up on. So, yea, a lot of us are willing to hear other perspectives.
Brandy was my first Cinderella, and I am only mad about fact that I can’t buy the soundtrack. I mean Whitney Houston has ruined that musical for me, because no one can live up to her vocals. imagine the conservative outrage if they cast them today.
Right? Like what happened? How did it come to all of…this?
The thing is, this new Proud Family is not "showing" their message, their "telling" you that. I agree that they are definitely not in favor at all for this show, but a lot of non conservatives have called out this show also.
The show is just too preachy and more like a lecture than the first Proud Family. It doesn't help that the ideas that they pushed in the show is not as general as the old ones, there are a lot of controversial and/or side blaming in this one.
@@alilishaa8824 exactly. People need to stop seeing this as “conservatives vs liberals” thing.
@@alilishaa8824 that’s a fair point, there could be more nuance. I suppose the part that strikes me as odd, or disingenuous is the tone conservatives commentators use to cover media topics. The tendency to view social critique or commentary as an “attack on conservatives”, or as something new to storytelling, gives me some pause. The tone also seems to imply that many progressive ideas are some strange new wild concept, as though many of them didn’t live through the 60’s.
I think part of the disconnect is that the younger generation is becoming much more frank with their discussions of social issues, then marketers promote that aspect more heavily than before.
I think if Brandy was cast now, she would likely be dealing similar internet discourse, and issues as Halle Bailey. Which sucks, because neither deserves that.
As a white non-binary person, this makes me want to go watch the show in full. I've seen a few clips on RUclips but I was concerned because a lot of people say it's too "woke." I hate that word because it feels like a word used to undermine the progress people of color and LGBTQ people have made throughout many years. I get it in some cases as I myself prefer more subtle representation for LGBTQ issues and people like how they did it in something like The owl house or Steven Universe. I can't personally say on the matter of people of color however I do think the proud family does a very good job showing of diversity for people of color.
nobody is immune to racism, but nobody is immune to being a racist either.
Woke
Why do you have to bring your race and gender identity up?
I mean, I only bring up me being black and a trans woman when it's relevant to the discussion.
Also, I don't care about representation because I can still relate to people without caring about their race and gender identity, you moronic, pathetic, one-dimensional, OUT OF TOUCH, RADICALIZED, CONFUSED, "I support the current thing" PRIVILEGED SHEEP
XD I was watching the proud family as soon as this was posted
The show is propaganda the reboot sucks the original was good
@@blaizegottman4139 if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all!
@@fangirldreamer748 ok Don't believe me even with the episode of how they talked about slaves and Police brutality and made it seem like they were the problem
@@fangirldreamer748 the original was good
Ever had a look at the Historical Inaccuracys in Curved and Juneteenth?
Wasn't The Famous Jett Jackson about Black family?
True, thanks for pointing that out, I'll add a correction to the pinned comment now!
Maybe not the original show. But the reboot? Yeaaahhhhhhhhh….😥😰
it is, the new one is heavy handed and does show bad messages
as the mix relationship episode did by her friends being fake and gaslighting her for something that wasn't a issue til they made it one
and also doesn't get info right other
Show looks rad. Hope a new generation of kids and adults love it!
It’s propaganda simple as it is
17:59 "Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right, exactly"
Where can I get him as a guest?
It kinda is.
What this video is: a thoughtful commentary on the evolution of how we teach kids heavy topics of today as well as not being afraid to be themselves through the view of a show.
The biggest thing I got out of it: oh wow, Joyce Wrice did the intro, hell yeah
The whole white accountability was ridiculous in the episode
everybody can be racists d. its common sense to know that. racism isnt about melanin, but behavior.
@@tomkatt8274 well, it’s about associating behavior with race.
Never heard of this show. From the title alone and in the year 2023 it could be everything from a sesame-street-style-show aimed at 3-year-olds to the gayest big-brother-show ever to some docu series about a white supremacist family who stormed the capitol. Times are wild.
loved the video, especially on what to say on how truly everything carries a political meaning incl. escapist media 👍
I like how you give Disney the nuance it deserves instead of the Walt was a antisemite meme.
I stg if Proud Family did the Muslim episode again with the exact same script these nutjobs will say that it's a "woke propaganda"
I don’t like the new show that much but for different reasons not lgbt. But I think I’ll give it another chance because of what you are saying because I love a show that shows different type of people.
Slaves did NOT build this country. They did do some minor agricultural work in the south, though.
Where is that Nightman Cometh poster from??? XD
Marlene, I first of just want to say how I admire your endurance whenever you make a video like this or the Muppets Crossdressing one. To sit through and get all the clips of angry right-wing b*llshit-spewing nonsense to get the material necessary for these videos. It can't be a pleasant experience.
As for the "This is propaganda. What we do is a-political" it kind of reminds me of how I've encountered religious people who argue that they aren't religious at all. No, no. Because, of course, their religion is the truth, it's all the other religions who are wrong (I had a teacher who was a very devote christian who argued that he couldn't be religious because he didn't see christianity as a religion).
Also, also, the political reading or apolitical art thing. I remember the "all art is political" and how one person countered that with "what's the political message of TETRIS?" (which can lead into the debate on wether or not video games are art but I won't go there this time). I'd say that all art is expression, and all, to almost all, expressions can be viewed and interpreted in a political way.
Take something ancient like a fable of Aesop. Let's take the one with the dog who sees their reflection in the water. The reflection also has a bone in its mouth so the dog opens their mouth to take the bone from the other dog, and in doing so, drops their own bone into the water. Simple story, I could retell it all in two sentences, and yet the moral is clear; "Don't be greedy or you might lose what you already have."
Can this story be interpreted in a political way? Sure, some would call it anti-capitalist propaganda for daring to say that greed is bad. Greed is good! It's thanks to greed and capitalism that spawns innovation and yadda yadda, words words words. IT'S PROPAGANDA!!
Because it seems like these days "It's propaganda!" doesn't necessarily mean "it has a political agenda" as much as "It has a political agenda THAT I DISAGREE WITH!"
(Not to mention how some would get upset that I refered to the dog in the singular they, since wether or not the dog was female or male was irrelevant to the story, but that would be seen as "propaganda" and forcing gender into a story were it doesn't belong and yadda yadda, words words words).
As for TETRIS you can definately read that as a critique on conformity. Because when all blocks align on a row they dissapear. That's what happens when you conform, when you become part of the majority group. You dissapear. All traces of your individuality gone.
Now, was this the intent behind that the creator behind Tetris was trying to say? Probably not, they just wanted to make a fun game as a way to teach math. But still, you can interpret it in a political way.
Truly apolitical art is hard, not to say impossible, to make as soon as it becomes a bit more complex, has any morals or hell, even if it's just a joke. Which brings me to the classic line when someone was criticing singer-songwriters during the 60's who often had politically charged text that who said that they shouldn't write or sing about anti-war or pro-civil rights and just "Shout their mouths and sing". I think that greatly summarises this thing.
finally a video about this, i look up "proud family reboot" on youtube and every top video is a bunch of right wing people reusing the word WOKE over and over again 💀
Moesha is pronounced Mo-E-Sha Not Moe-Sha :P But aside from that great video! :D
To me, if you don't like art just don't buy it. I only call for more serious action if it's hate speech or child pornography. I respect people's freedoms more than these conservatives. There's loads of art with messages/morals I don't agree with, but I don't demand it be banned, I just don't look at it or buy it. With bigoted views, yes I hate these views and disagree with the., I demand it be removed because it calls upon mistreating and dehumanizing people who deserve rights. And juatifies treating them as subhuman.
If there's any reason I get in my soapbox about human rights, it's because in society, we should think about other people.
Current conservatives have enabled
selfishness and cruelty and have created the idea that meanness is power. I think this is from villifying Liberals, that anything a liberal supports is evil and that to not be as an evil liberal you shouldn't listen to them or cobsider how they view things. This way you can be a hero. After all in this world view, villains never mean to do the right thing or have human qualities.
I also question, what's bad about wokeism? What is wrong with teaching Kids about LGBTQ+ folks? What's dangerous about learning that the founding fathers were slaveowners? I am a mixed race autistic cis-het man. I know people that are LGBTQ+, they aren't villains, they aren't harming children. They're people who wish to live their lives abd hust trying to get by.
Conservatism shares a lot of values with Facism
What morals or messeges don't you agree with?
I love contradictory this entire comment is
@@Mrcleanfrfr Hate speech, objectivism, libertarianism and extreme cynicism.
While I may go too far at tines, calling me the villain isb't goong to solve anything. If you want me to better talk to me about how to be better.
3 episodes out of 2 seasons have problematic idealogy. That means over 90% of the show is actually fun. I'm a moderate who Leans conservative a little but after watching the show with everything in context, it's not that bad. "Slaves built this country" was a debate competition so yes it is inaccurate in order for the characters to win. Zoey's silence is a medical condition. Age of innocence was everyone being bad friends to Zoey. Juneteenth actually debunked white privilege.
Conservatives never accused Disney of making Christian propaganda when it addapted the Chronicles of Narnia…
I love watching your videos, the production quality, the writing, all of it is stunning.
Also the thing I notice, is that these people have always been represented in media, but now that people who are different then them, and have like, 1% of the representation that they have, they flip out because they’re not being represented. It’s kinda ironic.
The only thing that is very "propaganda" about The Proud Family: Louder and Prouder is that Penny is the reason why all Movies is no longer being made.
Because she gave them bad reviews.
On the bright side: Marvel Cinematic Universe is no longer a thing. :P
Looks like most grifters didn’t watch the original show
Thank you for this video, everything was very well said 🙏🏽
But we can all agree the colorism episode in the reboot is poorly handled, right? No black people liked that episode ISTG
Who would even disagree with that?
btw (3:44) moesha is pronounced like moweesha not moe-sha. great commentary otherwise
Fabulous video as always!
SUMMER MAGIC was set in Massachusetts and (mostly) Maine. The history of Massachusetts has been characterized by only minor systemic racism - most of it the doing of private entities and not the government anyway - and that of Maine by even less. I don't see how depicting each of these states in the 1910s is linked to civil rights.
You're also assuming that people who are nostalgic for the culture of a past era are also nostalgic for its politics, which isn't necessarily true. Fans of 1980s culture are usually not great lovers of Ronald Reagan; in fact, more often than not they enjoy the ANTI-Reagan cultural expressions from that decade.
Love ❤️!
To these people, "propaganda" and "politicized art" mean "anything I disagree with" 🙄
republicans get triggered more than i do, and i'm a trans femme on the internet
Is this channel a subsidiary of Disney?
No, this channel is not affiliated with Disney
@@DreamsoundsVideo okay
"It's not propaganda when i agree with it" - dreamsounds
Exactly!
The lady is literally just a Disney Shill.
Same can be said for any creator. Youre just mad in this case because you don't agree yourself
I think dreamsounds would be the first to admit their perspectives and intentions
@@TheFoxFromSplashMountain I'm pretty sure the book in question was a fiction book by Ta Nehisi Coates... Unless i missed that episode
@@TheFoxFromSplashMountain i know the book you're referring to I just don't remember seeing it recommended in the show