So, I know a lot of people don't know this, but the Golden Horseshoe Saloon in Disneyland used to be called Sluefoot Sue's Golden Horseshoe Saloon. If you go inside you can see Pecos Bill and Sluefoot Sue and etched on the frosted glass
I think it's also worth noting Walt SAVED a bunch of jobs by doing these films because the government were forcing them out of the studio to use for the military- they didn't see the intrinsic value of the cartoons until he convinced them they would help! I forget where I read/ saw this but the intent really paints a different picture instead of "Walt was on board with war" and sought out the contract. Thanks for the video!
Ah, while I didn't explicitly say that Walt was necessarily on-board with producing war material, perhaps I was unclear that making a deal with the government was almost a necessity. Even so, Walt did personally finance Victory Through Air Power and was pretty openly patriotic, whether he was using that as an excuse to bust unions or not.
"Saved a bunch of jobs"? "Saved" my package film! Walt hated most of his employees and hated them more after the animator strike in 1941. Walt saved his own skin by getting into the propaganda business.
When I saw this title on your channel, I assumed you were going to talk about Iger and Chapek's apparent war on their park visitors and overall good taste. But this was a neat, oft-forgotten topic to revisit all the same.
I'm really tired of being negative. At this point, I feel like I'm often repeating the same stuff. While I'll continue to criticize in the future when I feel it's necessary, I want to diversify the content and make it more interesting.
There is more Sleepy Hallow representation than you think. Magic Kingdom at Walt Disney World has a quick service restaurant by the same name and just across from the restaurant, it’s easy to miss but it’s there at the Christmas shop across from it, a hanging sign for Ichabod’s school for singing.
@@PoseidonEntertainment I’m actually a Cast Member and one of my shifts, I had just noticed the small and hard to miss Ichabod sign. I’m honestly surprised I found such a thing.
It’s pretty cool to see the Disney Parks still make references and connections to their earlier roots. One should never forget those, even if the rest of the world does. It gives me a deeper appreciation of the parks and their theming.
I like when I find something obscure. I was in the Disney Art store a few months ago at Disney Springs and I found a painting depicting characters from The Black Hole. It was strange, but showed an appreciation for the history of the company, even for the less successful films. With the hyper-commercialization of the company currently, a less popular throwback is welcome now and again.
@@PoseidonEntertainment oh wow. I thought Disney completely forgot about that lol. Personally I’d love to see Disney represent some of its post renaissance films around the parks (Treasure Planet, Atlantis, Bolt, Emperors New Groove, Meet the Robinsons, etc.)
Funny fact: "The Three Caballeros" is actually called "Have you ever been to Bahia?" in portuguese, which is the iconic sentence Zé Carioca says to Donald before taking him to visit Brazil in "Saludo, Amigos" (which original name's "Alo, amigos").
As a brazilian, I can guarantee his name is not Hoe-zé, because the J in portuguese does not sound like J in spanish. It's closer to Joe-zé. But, either way, here in Brazil he is simply called Zé. Zé Carioca. One of the most important characters in Brazilian comics history.
I've had very little exposure to Portuguese and I wasn't aware that the phonetic association was different. I listened to how he pronounced his name in the film and while I hear it now that you point it out, I had just previously assumed that the different pronunciation was just the accent. Admittedly, while I often attempt to pronounce a variety of words and names in other languages, I often have a difficult time doing so. I'm under the assumption that I probably missed saying Aquarela do Brasil correctly as well. Thank you for the input though, I'll attempt to portray him correctly in the future.
What I find weird is the fact they changed the name of the movie from "Have you ever been to Bahia?" to "The Three Cabarellos" in the rest of the world
@@PoseidonEntertainment Nah, you said "Aquarela do Brasil" right, it's just the J matter, cuz in Spanish it has the "R" sound, while in portuguese it has the same sound as in English. The right pronunciation of "José" would be "Joe-Zé" , exactly like in its english counterpart "Joseph"
There are a few references to the legend of Sleepy Hollow in the Disney Parks, specifically in Walt Disney World, all of them mostly found in Liberty Square. Of course we have the Sleepy Hollow counter service restaurant, but another area is the Haunted Mansion. Early in the Mansion's development, the Headless Horseman was supposed to appear and scare guests but never made it to the final show. The WDW Mansion's exterior is specifically a brick Dutch Gothic style manor house, many of which could be found in New England and the Hudson River Valley- near the real life town of Sleepy Hollow. The early colonists would sit by the fires and tell stories of the Headless Horseman and other folk stories of the supernatural. And of course, during Mickey's Not So Scary Halloween Party, the Headless Horseman himself will make an appearance, riding throughout the park on his horse and glowing pumpkin head.
In gathering footage for the video, I walked past Sleepy Hollow a number of times, completely forgetting that I could have included it. While I knew that about one of the original Haunted Mansion concepts, it didn't occur to me to include that either. People have been pointing out a lot of things I've managed to miss, but it just continues to impress me with how much representation these films get.
Here's a list of references that I've missed and that people in the comments have pointed out to me: - The Legend of Sleepy Hollow is connected in name to Sleepy Hollow Refreshments in Magic Kingdom. Not sure how I forgot to include it. - The Legend of Sleepy Hollow is also at Ye Olde Christmas Shoppe in Magic Kingdom, with a sign referencing Ichabod providing singing lessons. - One of the original Haunted Mansion concepts included a graveyard scene where the Headless Horseman would make an appearance. - Toad's Hall Restaurant is a quick-service location in Disneyland Paris. - Bongo the bear from Fun and Fancy Free is found on a banner in Storybook Circus at Magic Kingdom. - Disney's Hollywood Studios used to have a window display referencing Johnny Fedora and Alice Blue Bonnet from Make Mine Music. - Disneyland's Golden Horseshoe has references to Pecos Bill inside. - Johnny Appleseed from Melody Time was somewhat represented at the 2021 Food and Wine Festival at Epcot. There was a food booth titled Appleseed Orchard and a popcorn machine with caramel apple popcorn featured Johnny Appleseed on the side.
These videos are very interesting and adds an historical aspect to visiting the parks. I, like you, miss the original intent of EPCOT (including El Rio del Tiempo), but can appreciate the connection now with the short films and Mickey Mouse Revue. Thank you for this educational video.
When I was younger, my parents owned VHSes of Fun and Fancy Free and Melody Time. I’d watch them all of the time and have become some of my favorite Disney “movies” to watch just for the nostalgia factor alone. It’s great to seem them at least somewhat represented in the parks.
I remember seeing these cartoons on the Mickey Mouse Club when I was growing up -- today is tuesday you know what that means? we 're gonna have a special guest. 😀
I love Saludos, Amigos and The Three Caballeros. I am a Mexican who loved seeing my culture and other Latin American cultures celebrated and played with by Disney alongside Donald Duck growing up and it still holds a very special place in my heart. It bothered me a great deal when Disney added that introduction to these films that seemed to apologize for their "offensive" representations of Latin American cultures. It bothered me because it dishonors the memory and motives of the artists/creatives who worked so hard to bring a part of this this world to North American audiences. I will always love these films because they are playful and happy and they bring Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Peru, and other countries together with America in a non-condescending way--the way I see companies like Disney handle these countries today.
Because of the dated nature of the material, I assumed that there was probably a good chance that depictions in these films would be tailored to American sensibilities of the time, such as comparing the Gaucho to American cowboys. Even so, I couldn't seem to find anything that could portray any of these nations or cultures in a negative light. I think that the warning is pre-emptive, anticipating people attempting to find problems where none exist.
@@PoseidonEntertainment im brazilian honestly is kinda dated but it is part of history and i think they are good movies inside their context and it was some kind representation( they were created to be popular with the people of the U.S.A of course but they also were created latin americans to like them). I know Zé carioca and panchito are stereotypes( even if Ze carioca was based on a real guy that existed at the time) but they are really charming charming and i grow up with old school cartoons and i know they are exagerated specially anthropomorphic animals ( i used to watch a lot of woody woodpecker and looney tunes) so i was really happy when i discovered Zé carioca because i think he is a good character for me his character still holds up( without the smoking) and it was really cool to see a brazilian character ( as must have been cool for a lot mexicans to see panchito too) be there with a character as beloved like Donald duck and treated as a equal. Would love a three caballeros comeback and small solo projects with these 2 characters like having small adventures on their own countries nowdays. I also really hope they add a permanent Zé carioca and Panchito meet and greet on disneyworld until i go there i would LOVE to meet and Hug Zé carioca. Would feel like a magical moment for sure and i know a lot of brazilians would agree
Happy to say that I knew about Make Mine Music and Melody Time and, in fact, have them (somewhere lol). I’m also glad that I bought the Walt Disney Treasures On The Frontlines set which has all those wartime cartoon shorts. I also got Saludos Amigos and The Three Caballeros on Blu-ray via Disney Movie Club. Pecos Bill was my favorite place to get a great taco salad for lunch!
Great video! I graduated from college recently as animation major, and one of the classes I took in college focused on history of animation, and it was my favorite class because I got to see so many war or propaganda films around the world, including the ones I saw in this video.
I saw Three Caballeros in the theater as a kid in the 70s. And later as a swing dancer, All the Cats Join in became one of those tracks I would dance to again and again. I'm glad they released Make Mine Music on DVD around then.
If you grew up when the Disney Channel was still a premium channel like HBO in the 80s and early 90s, all of these were shown regularly, including during the preview weeks where you could access the channel without subscribing. I had seen all of these probably by the time I was 10, probably multiple times. I was therefore aware of their placement in the parks (I live close to Tokyo Disney now), and am more surprised to learn that for many people they are obscure!
Perhaps it's just my experience in that I was never exposed to them growing up. I never watched the Disney Channel, though I did have a collection of the clamshell VHS tapes of the more popular films. It's strange now that Make Mine Music isn't on Disney+.
@@PoseidonEntertainment I never paid for Disney channel, it was too expensive, but throughout my childhood in the 80s and into the early 90s, I used to wait all year (maybe it was even twice a year) for the preview period to be on, and I would watch EVERYTHING. It was definitely during the summer, but may also have been during the winter holiday. Basically when kids were off school and most likely to bug their parents to subscribe. For that reason I must have seen all of these once or twice (maybe more) a year for like a decade at least.
My favorite Disney film is the original Parent Trap (which was not available in clamshell or DVD until I was practically an adult, late high school or maybe even university, when it came out on DVD, I bought it and still have it), and I used to watch it, and Pollyanna, and a bunch of other 1960s era live action Disney films during the Disney Channel Preview period, because they were all "Vault" stuff, and Disney Channel's claim to value was that at the time, this Vault stuff was not on VHS (DVD also did not yet exist).
You'd think I'd got to Tokyo Disney more than I do, as I am 45 minutes by train door to door (I just went a month ago for the first time in 10 years to Land, and went to Sea in 2019), but the parks don't change THAT much. I can't imagine going enough for a season pass.
@@PoseidonEntertainment It's because of the segment The Martins and the Coys where the feuding families shoot at each other and this is played for laughs. Although they already released it on home media in the past with the segment removed so I'm not sure why it isn't included in edited form. It's not like they are afraid to have edited content on Disney Plus (Fantasia is still the version with Sunflower removed even though there is an unskippable warning when you start the movie).
As a fan of the parks and not as much the movies, I always assumed each of these stories had their own dedicated film. Interesting history to know how they are connected and their significance to American culture. Thanks for the info and always great videos, Poseidon!
Bright Sun Films is another I recommend, but he’s not solely a theme park channel. Regardless he has done many videos, recently he did Communicore and Horizons, as well as River Country and updates on them
i wish they incorporated more aspects of the headless horseman short and other new england folk tales into the Sleepy Hollow quick service location in MK like they did with the Pecos Bill restaurant
i loved this! it's really cool to see the origins of a bunch of things i've otherwise heard of/vaguely seen but didn't know what they were actually from
25:20 my favorite part about the headless horseman that leads the Halloween parades is that apparently they attach felt to the bottom of the horse’s horseshoe so that you don’t hear him coming oooooo it’s so eerie I love it
That cowgirl Sue character is a rare example of early Disney being “sexy”. You can tell she was literally drawn to emulate popular pinup girls of the time. Possibly for the troops.
This is an excellent watch and really good to know the tie ins to the parks like Casey’s and Peco’s! Really well done and well researched and presented! Thank u and keep up the great work!
The video brought back a lot of childhood memories for me! During the early to mid 1070's, our local movie theater had a Saturday Matinee Twin Bill of Disney Wartime cartoons coupled with either a new releases or re-releases of a live action Disney movie ("The Shaggy Dog," "The Absent-Minded Professor," "The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes," "Bedknobs and Broomsticks," "Snowball Express," "Superdad," "The Strongest Man in the World" just to name a few). I can still remember as a little kid back then seeing these in the theater! Again, thanks for the video and the memories!
Condor Flats in California Adventure has had some pictures from plane development in interwar and war years, sort of reminiscent of victory through Air power.
I absolutely love these movies. Jonny fedora and Alice blue bonnet is one of My favorite Disney shorts and I collect every single pin of theirs I can find. When I was little we had VHS’s of all these movies and I loved them!
A Headless horseman dark ride is what Disney needs.. Not on screens, I mean full of animatronics.. Please Disney, do something right.. Make this happen..
It might not be in the park anymore but at Hollywood Studios one of the shop windows on Hollywood Blvd. had a nod to Johnny Fedora and Alice Blue Bonnet. At Disneyland Paris the Sir Mickey's shop has the actual beanstalk growing out of it towering above Fantasyland. Bongo is referenced by an image at the entrance of Storybook Circus at Magic Kingdom and the whale who wanted to sing at the met has a poster in Philharmagic at Magic Kingdom.
Going through the comments, I've realized how much I've missed. I hadn't heard the Johnny Fedora reference though. Where exactly would that have been located? Hollywood Studios really kind of destroyed their window displays over the last few years, so I doubt it's still there, but it's worth a look next time I go.
@@PoseidonEntertainment I feel like I remember seeing it outside of the Celebrity Five and Ten in like a corner window. I don't think it's there anymore with all the changes to the stores but it was back when that section of the store was all of the mickey ear hats and headbands.
I like that the IP isn't essential to its character though. If you didn't know any better, the place would just represent American baseball culture. Even so, the name is still an allusion to the poem. It really has three levels of depth that makes it interesting.
This is very minor as you missed one reprensation in the parks: Besides the Headless Horseman during the halloween parades, there's Sleepy Hollow Treats in Liberty Square at the Magic Kingdom.
I love “Make Mine Music”! Fun fact: Many segments from that movie and other Disney films were used in the mid 80s for “DTV”. A tv show that overlaid popular music onto old Disney scenes as MTV style “music videos”. I remember “All The Cats Join In” was used for “Rock Around The Clock” by The Stray Cats and the “romance” scene from Bambi was turned into a music video for Lionel Ritchie’s “Hello”.
Thanks very much for making these kinds of videos! It's a topic that though not hidden, I feel it's obscure enough to casual viewers that it's great content creators like yourself are featuring and researching them! Also as a mini sidenote, Sir Mickey's I believe also references "The Brave Little Tailor" cartoon!
Awesome video. I’ve always really liked the package film/war era of Walt Disney Animation Studios films. I sort of understand why they’re overlooked but they are still important in Disney. It makes me happy that these films are represented at some of the parks especially WDW. One of my favorite Disney films is The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr Toad, and I can’t wait to go on Mr Toad’s Wild Ride at Disneyland
I read a book by de Seversky in 1971 and it took me 35 years to see the Disney movie based on his first book, "Victory Through Air Power." Seversky mentioned the movie in "Air Power: Key to Survival" (1950). Thanks for giving me an ego boost. I was very familiar with the wartime stuff Disney put out. None of your video surprised me.
I don’t know if you ever take suggestions for what to do videos on, but even if not, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND watching the documentary “Waking Sleeping Beauty” it’s basically how the new class of animators were coming in, taking over for the 9 old men and how they got the animation studio out of the dark ages and into the Disney renaissance. It also goes into. What caused it and Ensiner’s fall from grace. It’s one of my favorite documentaries period and I kinda feel like it’s maybe a story we get about the frustration the imageers have been going through the last few years. I don’t know how true it is, but I’ve heard that Walt when he was a child heard a dramatic reading of Casey at the Bat and started making sketches of what he thought Casey and the rest of the players would look like.
I've definitely taken recommendations before, sometimes incorporating them into larger video ideas. In this case, I'm not sure if I want to cover animation exclusively in a video, but I haven't watched the documentary. I'll definitely go check it out though.
I’ve always been a big fan of this era of Disney, My favourite Disney classic film is The Adventures of Icabod and Mr Toad! A few small details you missed, is the Panchitos store in Disneys Coronado Springs resort. Like most stores on property today, it once was a lot more charming and elaborately themed with a Burrito the Donkey merch stand, a figure of Jose on a window ledge, a statue of Panchito and murals of the Caballeros on the walls. While I’ve not been back there since it was given a clinical overhaul, I know that a few bits still remain but the fun sign and some of the statues have definitely gone! I also believe there is some Bongo bear references in Storybook Circus. This is gonna make me sound really sad, but as a child I use to browse the Disney Wikia for ages and was always fascinated by the more obscure characters and films and loved finding images of references to them in the parks!
Love Zé Carioca( José carioca) and the dynamics of the 3 caballeros. Hopeful he will have a comeback in cartoon form and will have a meet and greet in the disneyworld. This channel was how i discovered he is in the mexican pavillion so i know i will have to go there now when im in disneyworld. Donald being the only one not being able to fly always kills me in this scene 12:36 saludos amigos and the three caballeros have some really good gags
Very informative! Thank you!! There is another reference to Ichabod Crane in the Magic Kingdom; a sign affixed to a corner of Ye Olde Christmas Shoppe shows the location of Ichy’s business, “Music & Voice Lessons.” Also, thru 2012 or so, there was an old time Baseball Pinball Machine in one of the seating areas. I remember it working and playing it at some point. I also used it as a table a few times.
While it is in name only, MK’s Sleepy Hollow Refreshments could count as representation of the film. Place has some good waffles imo. Love your videos and this one was no exception. Keep up the great work.
Hi -- I just spent half an hour typing out a rather lengthy general comment about many of the cartoons in this video and I touched something and everything disappeared. I just got this phone today and I can't retrieve the original reply. I'm as old as Disneyland -- born in 1955. I remember watching all of these on The Wonderful World of Color on Sunday nights (except I saw it on a Black and White TV so no color for me!) 😆 Someone mentioned a Little Golden Book of Bongo -- I had that too! I remember seeing Pecos Bill combined with 3 other "Tall Tale" cartoons -- Paul Bunyan and Babe his Great Blue Ox, Johnny Appleseed and one that was about building the Transcontinental Railroad -- can't remember name of that one. They chopped lots of those up. I remember seeing the live action segments of the South American, Mexican series you showed. Along with Little Toot, Bongo, and the cartoons from Make Mine Music and ??(the other compilation -- it's 2:30am brain's not working!) I really enjoyed this, brought back lots of memories from the early 60's when I saw many of the cartoons and documentaries mentioned in this video! Keep up the good work!
The first half is very cool. My Mom's cousins worked at Padua Hills and are in the live action dance sequence in Three Caballeros. I wish this had been generally available when I was a kid, 'cause Hispanics really lacked representation in Disney media. Que viva Pancho Pistolas! Oh, and some of us were familiar with those more obscure films because we watched the Sunday Disney TV programs.
This one was a trip, man. I recognize pretty much every single segment in this, but I had completely forgotten most of the titles. I don't remember having many of them as clamshell releases, so I think I saw them on Wonderful World of Disney or other broadcasts and taped them on vhs. Mickey and the Beanstalk was one of my favorites. I know they showed us the Johnny Appleseed one in school, too.
I was surprised to see that I was familiar with so much from the War Era. My father's mother and sister were big collectors, so I grew up watching all the movies they had.
I'm under the assumption that most people interested in Disney films are still probably not familiar with the war era. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I've never really heard anyone speak about them.
@@PoseidonEntertainment no you’re probably right lol To me it’s probably the most interesting time for Disney, so its weird to me that more people don’t know about it
Your modified opening credits gave me a chuckle. Nice to see you emulate Walt's philosophy of going the extra mile. Am I the only one unnerved by the multitude of spinning machine gun turrets on the planes in "Victory Toward Air Power"? Some of the ones on the last plane in this clip looked likely to shoot the plane's own wing off! There were remote-controlled gun turrets on some planes in WW II but I don't know of any that worked that would spin around like that. The spinning ones were partially-glassed-in ball turrets with the gunner right there manning the guns. I wonder what kind of info the animators were working off of. Humph! "Some cowboys" and "one of the cowboys" indeed! That's Roy Rogers and the Sons of the Pioneers doing both songs for the Pecos Bill segment; Roy is the one to go over and join the little girl and pet his brilliant palomino Trigger. I hope songwriters Eliot Daniel (lyrics) and Johnny Lange (music) had the rights to that, since it's been covered by everyone and his brother and is on the Western Writer's of America's Top 100 Western Songs list. Of those I've heard I like best Suzanne Vega's on the "Stay Awake" album. Her version of "Say Awake" from "Mary Poppins" is just as good, and Buster Poindexter's "Castle in Spain" from "Babes in Toyland" is quite something. I think a lot of older Disney fans are more familiar with these films than you think; I saw them on "Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Color" (an annoying title, since we didn't get a color TV until the 1970s) and "The Wonderful World of Walt Disney" growing up. And I would think most completest fans have seen them. My kids watched a lot of them as shorts on RUclips (along with Silly Symphonies and the original songs to compare them to the album "Stay Awake"). Somewhat ironically, aside from "Victory Toward Air Power" the only one I *don't* remember seeing on those as a kid is "Mr. Toad," which is of course the one you thought would be best known to your viewers. But I suspect it's more that I wasn't a fan of it than that they didn't show it. Well thought out and nicely done, as always. Thanks for the time you put into these.
Believe it or not, the characters Chip 'n' Dale got their start in one of the wartime animated shorts "Private Pluto". So we also have Disney's involvement with WW2 to thank for the creation of those characters.
I knew all those war era films. We had them as part of a collection of LPs while growing up. Once I was old enough, I searched and found most of those films(80's). Sadly, my mom sold that collection of LPs in a yard sale in the early 90's after I had gone off to college.
During the 2020 shut down, I did work my way through every single main-line animated film in order. It was really interesting to see how the state of the company was reflected in the quality of the animation as I did a bit of research behind the development of most of the films. For example, I was surprised by how much of the Disney Renaissance was reflected in the Black Cauldron's quality of animation and early use of CGI, even if the film's reputation keeps people away.
My family used to love going to Casey's corner back when it had the bleachers and cartoons. We'd buy ice cream at the cafe across the street and watch the cartoons at Caseys enjoying the AC to take a break from the heat. It was something we have done ever since my first visit to Disney when I was 5 and it was one of my Dad's favorite part of the day. When we went in 2014 to celebrate my 18th birthday and saw that they did away with the bleachers, we stood in silence for 5 minutes devastated at what we saw. It was easily one of the most heartbreaking things I have ever witnessed. The look on my Dad's face resembled a kid after their dog died. We then took our ice cream and sat outside in sadness our tradition has died. At least a few of the cartoons are Disney+ and I got to introduce my boyfriend to them and rewatch them with my Dad. However it really doesn't beat watching it at Casey's corner.
The Legend of Sleepy Hollow has had one other representation, albeit only occasionally and seasonally. Walt Disney World has offered an experience around Halloween time featuring a nighttime showing of the film in the stable at Tri Circle D Ranch, along with a guest interaction/photo op with the headless horseman. Of course there has been specific merch offerings (the pin is particularly fun). The environment in which you see the film, surrounded by horses in their darkened stalls, contributes to the total atmosphere of the experience.
I remember a lot of these as stand alone shorts. Pretty sure they chopped them up and either put them on VHS titles ahead or of the features or aired them on the early days of the Disney Channel. Or both? Who knows. Memories are hard.
You’re actually kidding me… we just had a research project about WWII and I chose Disney in WWII, one of my sections was about the representation in the parks…
Anyone else notice the complete lack of character design for the female characters. In these films in particular, like show me you have no female animators without showing me you have no female animators
Although not park-related by any means, the audience should be aware of two other controversial war films that Disney produced: 1. Der Fuerher's face (spelling?) 2.Education for Death Regardless, the Legend of Sleepy Hollow is a masterpiece. The dance/party sequence is beyond funny...
I was a history major in college and this happened to be during the Wild West days of peer to peer sharing and I managed to find dozens of the old Disney and WB propaganda cartoons online and subsequently wrote a term paper on them. I know why Disney keeps them firmly in the vault (racist stereotypes are pretty common), but if you get a chance to see them it is definitely worth it just from a pop culture history standpoint.
Just skimming through Victory Through Air Power, I did notice some very distasteful representation of the Japanese. Still, from a historical perspective, I agree that these films are fascinating.
I’m going to Disneyland again in October. I’ve been before for Halloween but I’d forgotten that the parade features the Headless Horseman!!! Now I’m excited!!!! :D
The cowboys in the Pecos Bill segment were in fact Roy Rogers and the Sons of the Pioneers. And one of the kids would eventually be the voice of Peter Pan, and his was a tragic story for another time.
It's interesting no one remembers those shorts. Cause I do. The only one I didn't remember was the short on the bayou segment that was suppose to be in fantasia. The rest of them I remember from seeing the older Disney Channel, when they first started out. I saw Bongo so many times, Pecos Bill, and Johnny Appleseed. I also have to mention the Cowboys in the live action segment of Pecos Bill is none other than Roy Rodgers and the Sons of the Pioneers. I find it interesting he actually was in one of the Disney shorts. My dad was a fan of Roy Rodgers so I know a lot about them. The war time cartoons were really interesting too. I also own some of the old VHS tapes of some of the Disney Shorts..one is only war time themed shorts and it had some interesting ones in it. I bet those animators that were hired to make them were glad they could help with animation rather than going off to war. Sounds like it was super hard on them.
You missed references to The Legend of Ichabod Crane at Magic Kingdom. Not only is the quick service location Sleepy Hollow obviously a reference to Ichabod, but directly across from it is Ye Olde Christmas Shoppe which is themed as Ichabod's old music classroom. There is a sign outside of Christmas Shops's door #13 that mentions Ichabod's music lessons as well as his violin above a door inside the "music room". All of this ties into the early New York architectural styling that welcomes visitors into Liberty Square.
Thanks for the video, but just a small correction: the "gauchos" are only from Uruguay, Argentina, and the southernmost part of Brazil, not all of South America.
Another excellent video! I really do not know why people rank the wartime era so low. World War 2 was completely out of the Disney company’s control. They did their best, even if the movies were just a compilation of shorts and the animation team really grew their skills during that time and the money coming in from the government allowed them to experiment.
I don't think that the films are under-rated, so much as they're just not as well known. I suspect that their lack of central narrative makes them more difficult to market when promoting "classic" Disney.
Does "Sleepy Hollow Refreshments" in Liberty Square at the Magic Kingdom not count as representation for "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow" within the parks? This video was extremely neat. I was familiar with most of it but I actually learned a lot of The Three Caballeros today so thank you!
Funnily enough, I've seen a lot of at this movie theater by me that a famous director owns. They play the war propaganda shorts before this director's WWII movie, and every other Sunday they have a Cartoon Club where it's just 2 hours of random cartoons, usually more obscure ones because it's aimed at kids and industry animators. Lots of war time Disney shorts have been shown the few times I've gone. Next time I go to Disneyland I'll have to keep my eye open for this stuff!
As a brazilian I love the animations set in Brazil. The fact that the brazilian Ze Carioca comics ran from 1961 to 2018 ending its run with 1332 (longer than One Piece, lol) issues really shows how popular that bird was to brazilians.
It was a small thing, and rather old at this point (I feel myself aging as I type that), but the Headless Horseman occasionally rode through the roads of Disney World's Fort Wilderness Campground in Florida at night. My cousin shared a rumor with me that the horseman only rode around midnight, but the one and only time I caught sight of the rider was closer to maybe 10pm xD I doubt they did this for long as I imagine parents eventually complained about scared kids, but the late 80s/early 90s were wild haha.
I didn’t know these were considered obscure. I was very familiar with all but the military ones. I had even had a Bongo Little Golden Book. In the 1980s and 1990s syndicated reruns of The Wonderful World of Disney used to air on local channels, especially on Saturday afternoons after all the cartoons had gone off. These, and many other movies both animated and live action (from the early color days up to the early 80s) would be shown. At night (I think Sunday nights), the current Disney anthology show would air. It changed names a few times over the years, but was also called The Wonderful World of Disney. The night program was on a network instead of syndicated and showed more recent movies, both theatrically released and made for tv, but also sometimes showed older ones. Disney’s back catalogue used to be more prominent. The earlier days of the Disney Channel used to have a lot of it on the schedule. Also, they were commonly shown in schools, especially folklore (such as Pecos Bill and Paul Bunyan) and literature (Casey at the Bat, Wind in the Willows, The Legend of Sleepy Hollow), as well as videos on educational topics often hosted by Ludwig Von Drake or Jiminy Cricket. Disney used to have a big educational products division that would repackage shorts and segments into things to be shown and used in schools as VHS tapes, filmstrips, and projector film.
I definitely missed all of that. I remember seeing some war shorts in school around 2007, but I was otherwise never exposed to these films. I only became familiar with them in 2020 during the shut down when I watched all of the animated films in order to get a sense of their development and evolution.
Disney’s “obscure” movies and tv shows from the 1950s through the 1970s used to be very accessible. Gen X and early Millennial kids grew up watching things originally released long before most were born. I love 20k Leagues, Swiss Family Robinson, the old Zorro tv show, and many live action movies you may not be familiar with. Some were historical, like The Swamp Fox and Davy Crockett. Some had sadness and the harsh elements of life, like Greyfriar’s Bobby, The Littlest Horsethieves, The Many Lives of Thomasina, or Old Yeller. Others were goofy fun, like Blackbeard’s Ghost, The Absent Minded Professor, Gus, The Cat From Outer Space, or The Shaggy Dog. They all were considered wholesome entertainment. I feel Disney management is making a long term mistake by hiding things away. Children are often willing to watch a good story even if it’s not brand new with the latest cgi and fart jokes. If you grow up with a story, you’re more likely to have a fondness for it and want to share it with your own kids, creating a generational bond. I remember watching many of these with my parents, who had watched them when they were new. Some were cultural touchstones. Every St. Patrick’s Day, Darby O’Gill and the Little People would air. By not having these movies out there, easily accessible, or being promoted in any way, the connection to newer generations is lost, like how you apparently grew up with no connection to or fondness for any of these. By letting that happen, in just a few generations the company can be rendering large pieces of itself irrelevant. It’s very short sighted.
Oh, I forgot to mention, the syndicated old episodes of the Wonderful World of Disney also included episodes that had the introductions by Walt Disney, from his old shows, so we grew up with “Uncle Walt” like our Baby Boomer parents had, even though he had passed away decades earlier. Would I be correct to assume younger cohorts lack that connection to Walt the man and view him more as an abstraction?
I have second this. I saw most of these on the Wonderful World of Disney as well. I was surprised to see things I remember casually seeing as a normal kid labelled as vanishingly obscure. Granted, I've never seen them since I was a kid, but I assumed they'd still be showing wherever kids today get their cartoons. It never occurred to me that they'd disappear like they apparently have.
Ah yes, Fun and Fancy Free, my favorite Disney movie not named the Book of Menstruation. You'd think Disney would retheme their parks without these movies in mind instead of not commiting to a Splash Mountain retheme...
This is fascinating. You can bet I will be looking for more "Disney at War" throughout the Disney Parks. In the meantime... Toad Hall from "Ichabod & Mr Toad" is featured in the miniature buildings on the Storybook Land Canal Boats & Casey Jr Circus Train at Disneyland Park. Storybook Land Canal Boats was a DL opening day attraction. In the queue for Mickey's Philharmagic (Magic Kingdom), there is a poster advertising 'I Pagliacci performed by Willie the Whale.' In the MK Big Thunder Mountain RR queue, there is a sign advertising 'Pecos Bill Tall Tale Inn & Cafe." More recent, and beyond the Parks, Disney's Saratoga Springs Resort celebrates the horse culture in 1880's Saratoga, New York. The hotel rooms just completed a major renovation. There is artwork in each resort room living area depicting Johnny Fedora & Alice Bluebonnet as worn by the horses at the end of the film. Love when the Imagineers sneak in more obscure Disney references. 😍
I heard that originally the Magic Kingdom's Fantasyland dark rides were going to be based on completely different films, rather than just being clones of Disneyland's. One of the attractions would have apparently been a Sleepy Hollow dark ride. I guess they decided to just stick to cloning the Disneyland rides to be on the safe side, but it's an intriguing idea I'm sorta sad never happened.
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So, I know a lot of people don't know this, but the Golden Horseshoe Saloon in Disneyland used to be called Sluefoot Sue's Golden Horseshoe Saloon. If you go inside you can see Pecos Bill and Sluefoot Sue and etched on the frosted glass
The Golden Horseshoe was also modeled after a set on the Doris Day film Calamity Jane 🙂
Not to mention that Betty Taylor stared as the character Sluefoot Sue and sang the Pecos Bill song.
Ah, I've never been inside. It appears that I've missed other references as well
And Disney Legend Wally Boag was one of the Golden Horeshoe performers, and even played Pecos Bell on stage there!
@@PoseidonEntertainment The Golden Horseshoe is also home to one of the easiest to find hidden Mickeys!
I think it's also worth noting Walt SAVED a bunch of jobs by doing these films because the government were forcing them out of the studio to use for the military- they didn't see the intrinsic value of the cartoons until he convinced them they would help! I forget where I read/ saw this but the intent really paints a different picture instead of "Walt was on board with war" and sought out the contract. Thanks for the video!
Ah, while I didn't explicitly say that Walt was necessarily on-board with producing war material, perhaps I was unclear that making a deal with the government was almost a necessity. Even so, Walt did personally finance Victory Through Air Power and was pretty openly patriotic, whether he was using that as an excuse to bust unions or not.
"Saved a bunch of jobs"? "Saved" my package film! Walt hated most of his employees and hated them more after the animator strike in 1941. Walt saved his own skin by getting into the propaganda business.
When I saw this title on your channel, I assumed you were going to talk about Iger and Chapek's apparent war on their park visitors and overall good taste. But this was a neat, oft-forgotten topic to revisit all the same.
I'm really tired of being negative. At this point, I feel like I'm often repeating the same stuff. While I'll continue to criticize in the future when I feel it's necessary, I want to diversify the content and make it more interesting.
Funny, I thought it was going to be like that as well, but then ended up watching and enjoying the trip down memory lane anyway.
To be fair for a second I thought it was going to be about that fistfight over Philharmagic until I saw the date
Lmao I thought so too
There is more Sleepy Hallow representation than you think. Magic Kingdom at Walt Disney World has a quick service restaurant by the same name and just across from the restaurant, it’s easy to miss but it’s there at the Christmas shop across from it, a hanging sign for Ichabod’s school for singing.
As familiar as I am with Magic Kingdom, I have no idea how I didn't connect the dots there.
@@PoseidonEntertainment I’m actually a Cast Member and one of my shifts, I had just noticed the small and hard to miss Ichabod sign. I’m honestly surprised I found such a thing.
I can imagine a dark ride based on The Legend of Sleepy Hollow for Magic Kingdom in the Liberty Square area adjacent to the Haunted Mansion!
There also the Headless Horseman statue in California Adventure during halloween
It’s pretty cool to see the Disney Parks still make references and connections to their earlier roots. One should never forget those, even if the rest of the world does. It gives me a deeper appreciation of the parks and their theming.
NOT SONG OF THE SOUTH LOL
@@neutraltoxic LOL. Even if it is just the animated segments lmaooo
I like when I find something obscure. I was in the Disney Art store a few months ago at Disney Springs and I found a painting depicting characters from The Black Hole. It was strange, but showed an appreciation for the history of the company, even for the less successful films. With the hyper-commercialization of the company currently, a less popular throwback is welcome now and again.
@@PoseidonEntertainment oh wow. I thought Disney completely forgot about that lol. Personally I’d love to see Disney represent some of its post renaissance films around the parks (Treasure Planet, Atlantis, Bolt, Emperors New Groove, Meet the Robinsons, etc.)
No one should forget the Parks roots, except Bob Paychek does
Funny fact: "The Three Caballeros" is actually called "Have you ever been to Bahia?" in portuguese, which is the iconic sentence Zé Carioca says to Donald before taking him to visit Brazil in "Saludo, Amigos" (which original name's "Alo, amigos").
As a brazilian, I can guarantee his name is not Hoe-zé, because the J in portuguese does not sound like J in spanish. It's closer to Joe-zé. But, either way, here in Brazil he is simply called Zé. Zé Carioca. One of the most important characters in Brazilian comics history.
I've had very little exposure to Portuguese and I wasn't aware that the phonetic association was different. I listened to how he pronounced his name in the film and while I hear it now that you point it out, I had just previously assumed that the different pronunciation was just the accent. Admittedly, while I often attempt to pronounce a variety of words and names in other languages, I often have a difficult time doing so. I'm under the assumption that I probably missed saying Aquarela do Brasil correctly as well. Thank you for the input though, I'll attempt to portray him correctly in the future.
What I find weird is the fact they changed the name of the movie from "Have you ever been to Bahia?" to "The Three Cabarellos" in the rest of the world
@@PoseidonEntertainment Nah, you said "Aquarela do Brasil" right, it's just the J matter, cuz in Spanish it has the "R" sound, while in portuguese it has the same sound as in English. The right pronunciation of "José" would be "Joe-Zé" , exactly like in its english counterpart "Joseph"
@@tufab3494 I suppose it's a question you can only ask Brazilians, seeing as they would have higher chances of having gone there.
@@jamesrosewell9081 I personaly love going to Bahia. Hands down the best beaches in Brazil
Man I remember watching all of these films back with the Disney Channel still played their classic cartoons. I miss those days.
There are a few references to the legend of Sleepy Hollow in the Disney Parks, specifically in Walt Disney World, all of them mostly found in Liberty Square. Of course we have the Sleepy Hollow counter service restaurant, but another area is the Haunted Mansion. Early in the Mansion's development, the Headless Horseman was supposed to appear and scare guests but never made it to the final show. The WDW Mansion's exterior is specifically a brick Dutch Gothic style manor house, many of which could be found in New England and the Hudson River Valley- near the real life town of Sleepy Hollow. The early colonists would sit by the fires and tell stories of the Headless Horseman and other folk stories of the supernatural. And of course, during Mickey's Not So Scary Halloween Party, the Headless Horseman himself will make an appearance, riding throughout the park on his horse and glowing pumpkin head.
In gathering footage for the video, I walked past Sleepy Hollow a number of times, completely forgetting that I could have included it. While I knew that about one of the original Haunted Mansion concepts, it didn't occur to me to include that either. People have been pointing out a lot of things I've managed to miss, but it just continues to impress me with how much representation these films get.
Here's a list of references that I've missed and that people in the comments have pointed out to me:
- The Legend of Sleepy Hollow is connected in name to Sleepy Hollow Refreshments in Magic Kingdom. Not sure how I forgot to include it.
- The Legend of Sleepy Hollow is also at Ye Olde Christmas Shoppe in Magic Kingdom, with a sign referencing Ichabod providing singing lessons.
- One of the original Haunted Mansion concepts included a graveyard scene where the Headless Horseman would make an appearance.
- Toad's Hall Restaurant is a quick-service location in Disneyland Paris.
- Bongo the bear from Fun and Fancy Free is found on a banner in Storybook Circus at Magic Kingdom.
- Disney's Hollywood Studios used to have a window display referencing Johnny Fedora and Alice Blue Bonnet from Make Mine Music.
- Disneyland's Golden Horseshoe has references to Pecos Bill inside.
- Johnny Appleseed from Melody Time was somewhat represented at the 2021 Food and Wine Festival at Epcot. There was a food booth titled Appleseed Orchard and a popcorn machine with caramel apple popcorn featured Johnny Appleseed on the side.
These videos are very interesting and adds an historical aspect to visiting the parks. I, like you, miss the original intent of EPCOT (including El Rio del Tiempo), but can appreciate the connection now with the short films and Mickey Mouse Revue. Thank you for this educational video.
When I was younger, my parents owned VHSes of Fun and Fancy Free and Melody Time. I’d watch them all of the time and have become some of my favorite Disney “movies” to watch just for the nostalgia factor alone. It’s great to seem them at least somewhat represented in the parks.
I remember seeing these cartoons on the Mickey Mouse Club when I was growing up -- today is tuesday you know what that means? we 're gonna have a special guest. 😀
I love Saludos, Amigos and The Three Caballeros. I am a Mexican who loved seeing my culture and other Latin American cultures celebrated and played with by Disney alongside Donald Duck growing up and it still holds a very special place in my heart. It bothered me a great deal when Disney added that introduction to these films that seemed to apologize for their "offensive" representations of Latin American cultures. It bothered me because it dishonors the memory and motives of the artists/creatives who worked so hard to bring a part of this this world to North American audiences. I will always love these films because they are playful and happy and they bring Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Peru, and other countries together with America in a non-condescending way--the way I see companies like Disney handle these countries today.
This 💯💯
I too have fond memories of that ride, and I used to have a copy of the three caballeros cartoon
Because of the dated nature of the material, I assumed that there was probably a good chance that depictions in these films would be tailored to American sensibilities of the time, such as comparing the Gaucho to American cowboys. Even so, I couldn't seem to find anything that could portray any of these nations or cultures in a negative light. I think that the warning is pre-emptive, anticipating people attempting to find problems where none exist.
Man, remember a few years ago when Speedy Gonzalez was deemed “offensive” to brown people and everyone south of the border got super mad 😂
@@PoseidonEntertainment im brazilian honestly is kinda dated but it is part of history and i think they are good movies inside their context and it was some kind representation( they were created to be popular with the people of the U.S.A of course but they also were created latin americans to like them). I know Zé carioca and panchito are stereotypes( even if Ze carioca was based on a real guy that existed at the time) but they are really charming charming and i grow up with old school cartoons and i know they are exagerated specially anthropomorphic animals ( i used to watch a lot of woody woodpecker and looney tunes) so i was really happy when i discovered Zé carioca because i think he is a good character for me his character still holds up( without the smoking) and it was really cool to see a brazilian character ( as must have been cool for a lot mexicans to see panchito too) be there with a character as beloved like Donald duck and treated as a equal. Would love a three caballeros comeback and small solo projects with these 2 characters like having small adventures on their own countries nowdays. I also really hope they add a permanent Zé carioca and Panchito meet and greet on disneyworld until i go there i would LOVE to meet and Hug Zé carioca. Would feel like a magical moment for sure and i know a lot of brazilians would agree
Happy to say that I knew about Make Mine Music and Melody Time and, in fact, have them (somewhere lol). I’m also glad that I bought the Walt Disney Treasures On The Frontlines set which has all those wartime cartoon shorts. I also got Saludos Amigos and The Three Caballeros on Blu-ray via Disney Movie Club. Pecos Bill was my favorite place to get a great taco salad for lunch!
This is one of the most unique Disney videos I’ve ever seen, very well done Poseidon!
Great video! I graduated from college recently as animation major, and one of the classes I took in college focused on history of animation, and it was my favorite class because I got to see so many war or propaganda films around the world, including the ones I saw in this video.
I saw Three Caballeros in the theater as a kid in the 70s. And later as a swing dancer, All the Cats Join in became one of those tracks I would dance to again and again. I'm glad they released Make Mine Music on DVD around then.
If you grew up when the Disney Channel was still a premium channel like HBO in the 80s and early 90s, all of these were shown regularly, including during the preview weeks where you could access the channel without subscribing. I had seen all of these probably by the time I was 10, probably multiple times. I was therefore aware of their placement in the parks (I live close to Tokyo Disney now), and am more surprised to learn that for many people they are obscure!
Perhaps it's just my experience in that I was never exposed to them growing up. I never watched the Disney Channel, though I did have a collection of the clamshell VHS tapes of the more popular films. It's strange now that Make Mine Music isn't on Disney+.
@@PoseidonEntertainment I never paid for Disney channel, it was too expensive, but throughout my childhood in the 80s and into the early 90s, I used to wait all year (maybe it was even twice a year) for the preview period to be on, and I would watch EVERYTHING. It was definitely during the summer, but may also have been during the winter holiday. Basically when kids were off school and most likely to bug their parents to subscribe. For that reason I must have seen all of these once or twice (maybe more) a year for like a decade at least.
My favorite Disney film is the original Parent Trap (which was not available in clamshell or DVD until I was practically an adult, late high school or maybe even university, when it came out on DVD, I bought it and still have it), and I used to watch it, and Pollyanna, and a bunch of other 1960s era live action Disney films during the Disney Channel Preview period, because they were all "Vault" stuff, and Disney Channel's claim to value was that at the time, this Vault stuff was not on VHS (DVD also did not yet exist).
You'd think I'd got to Tokyo Disney more than I do, as I am 45 minutes by train door to door (I just went a month ago for the first time in 10 years to Land, and went to Sea in 2019), but the parks don't change THAT much. I can't imagine going enough for a season pass.
@@PoseidonEntertainment It's because of the segment The Martins and the Coys where the feuding families shoot at each other and this is played for laughs. Although they already released it on home media in the past with the segment removed so I'm not sure why it isn't included in edited form.
It's not like they are afraid to have edited content on Disney Plus (Fantasia is still the version with Sunflower removed even though there is an unskippable warning when you start the movie).
As a fan of the parks and not as much the movies, I always assumed each of these stories had their own dedicated film. Interesting history to know how they are connected and their significance to American culture. Thanks for the info and always great videos, Poseidon!
Yesterworld, Defunctland and now Poseidon. My list of bingable theme park channels is growing :)
Bright Sun Films is another I recommend, but he’s not solely a theme park channel. Regardless he has done many videos, recently he did Communicore and Horizons, as well as River Country and updates on them
@@NinthShinigami Much appreciated :)
i wish they incorporated more aspects of the headless horseman short and other new england folk tales into the Sleepy Hollow quick service location in MK like they did with the Pecos Bill restaurant
i loved this! it's really cool to see the origins of a bunch of things i've otherwise heard of/vaguely seen but didn't know what they were actually from
25:20 my favorite part about the headless horseman that leads the Halloween parades is that apparently they attach felt to the bottom of the horse’s horseshoe so that you don’t hear him coming oooooo it’s so eerie I love it
I just look so forward to your videos! You are always spot on in your critiques! I also love listening to you speak. You have a fabulous voice!
As a 40yo who grew up on Disney Channel, these aren't obscure, but old favorites. Thanks for the memories!
That cowgirl Sue character is a rare example of early Disney being “sexy”. You can tell she was literally drawn to emulate popular pinup girls of the time. Possibly for the troops.
Your videos are so well put together. I love waking up and seeing a new video. Thanks for giving me a great start this morning!
Thanks for the video! I definitely learned a lot and will keep my eyes open at the parks the next time we go!
This is an excellent watch and really good to know the tie ins to the parks like Casey’s and Peco’s! Really well done and well researched and presented! Thank u and keep up the great work!
The video brought back a lot of childhood memories for me! During the early to mid 1070's, our local movie theater had a Saturday Matinee Twin Bill of Disney Wartime cartoons coupled with either a new releases or re-releases of a live action Disney movie ("The Shaggy Dog," "The Absent-Minded Professor," "The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes," "Bedknobs and Broomsticks," "Snowball Express," "Superdad," "The Strongest Man in the World" just to name a few). I can still remember as a little kid back then seeing these in the theater! Again, thanks for the video and the memories!
Condor Flats in California Adventure has had some pictures from plane development in interwar and war years, sort of reminiscent of victory through Air power.
I absolutely love these movies. Jonny fedora and Alice blue bonnet is one of My favorite Disney shorts and I collect every single pin of theirs I can find. When I was little we had VHS’s of all these movies and I loved them!
A Headless horseman dark ride is what Disney needs.. Not on screens, I mean full of animatronics.. Please Disney, do something right.. Make this happen..
It might not be in the park anymore but at Hollywood Studios one of the shop windows on Hollywood Blvd. had a nod to Johnny Fedora and Alice Blue Bonnet. At Disneyland Paris the Sir Mickey's shop has the actual beanstalk growing out of it towering above Fantasyland. Bongo is referenced by an image at the entrance of Storybook Circus at Magic Kingdom and the whale who wanted to sing at the met has a poster in Philharmagic at Magic Kingdom.
Going through the comments, I've realized how much I've missed. I hadn't heard the Johnny Fedora reference though. Where exactly would that have been located? Hollywood Studios really kind of destroyed their window displays over the last few years, so I doubt it's still there, but it's worth a look next time I go.
@@PoseidonEntertainment I feel like I remember seeing it outside of the Celebrity Five and Ten in like a corner window. I don't think it's there anymore with all the changes to the stores but it was back when that section of the store was all of the mickey ear hats and headbands.
I've always been curious about Disney's propaganda films, great research and video as usual Poseidon!
Casey’s Corner technically being an IP blew my mind. I didn’t know. I have a new appreciation for corn dog nuggets
I like that the IP isn't essential to its character though. If you didn't know any better, the place would just represent American baseball culture. Even so, the name is still an allusion to the poem. It really has three levels of depth that makes it interesting.
This is such an amazing video with fun facts I've never seen from any other disney video. Love ur channel dude
This is very minor as you missed one reprensation in the parks: Besides the Headless Horseman during the halloween parades, there's Sleepy Hollow Treats in Liberty Square at the Magic Kingdom.
I love “Make Mine Music”! Fun fact: Many segments from that movie and other Disney films were used in the mid 80s for “DTV”. A tv show that overlaid popular music onto old Disney scenes as MTV style “music videos”. I remember “All The Cats Join In” was used for “Rock Around The Clock” by The Stray Cats and the “romance” scene from Bambi was turned into a music video for Lionel Ritchie’s “Hello”.
Thanks very much for making these kinds of videos! It's a topic that though not hidden, I feel it's obscure enough to casual viewers that it's great content creators like yourself are featuring and researching them!
Also as a mini sidenote, Sir Mickey's I believe also references "The Brave Little Tailor" cartoon!
Awesome video. I’ve always really liked the package film/war era of Walt Disney Animation Studios films. I sort of understand why they’re overlooked but they are still important in Disney. It makes me happy that these films are represented at some of the parks especially WDW. One of my favorite Disney films is The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr Toad, and I can’t wait to go on Mr Toad’s Wild Ride at Disneyland
I read a book by de Seversky in 1971 and it took me 35 years to see the Disney movie based on his first book, "Victory Through Air Power." Seversky mentioned the movie in "Air Power: Key to Survival" (1950).
Thanks for giving me an ego boost. I was very familiar with the wartime stuff Disney put out. None of your video surprised me.
I just really like the war time logo for Poseidon entertainment! 😂 adds that extra touch
Gotta get that unique logo in every once and a while.
I don’t know if you ever take suggestions for what to do videos on, but even if not, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND watching the documentary “Waking Sleeping Beauty” it’s basically how the new class of animators were coming in, taking over for the 9 old men and how they got the animation studio out of the dark ages and into the Disney renaissance. It also goes into. What caused it and Ensiner’s fall from grace. It’s one of my favorite documentaries period and I kinda feel like it’s maybe a story we get about the frustration the imageers have been going through the last few years.
I don’t know how true it is, but I’ve heard that Walt when he was a child heard a dramatic reading of Casey at the Bat and started making sketches of what he thought Casey and the rest of the players would look like.
I've definitely taken recommendations before, sometimes incorporating them into larger video ideas. In this case, I'm not sure if I want to cover animation exclusively in a video, but I haven't watched the documentary. I'll definitely go check it out though.
@@PoseidonEntertainment even if you don’t do a video on it, it’s still a fantastic watch.
I’ve always been a big fan of this era of Disney, My favourite Disney classic film is The Adventures of Icabod and Mr Toad! A few small details you missed, is the Panchitos store in Disneys Coronado Springs resort. Like most stores on property today, it once was a lot more charming and elaborately themed with a Burrito the Donkey merch stand, a figure of Jose on a window ledge, a statue of Panchito and murals of the Caballeros on the walls. While I’ve not been back there since it was given a clinical overhaul, I know that a few bits still remain but the fun sign and some of the statues have definitely gone! I also believe there is some Bongo bear references in Storybook Circus. This is gonna make me sound really sad, but as a child I use to browse the Disney Wikia for ages and was always fascinated by the more obscure characters and films and loved finding images of references to them in the parks!
Love Zé Carioca( José carioca) and the dynamics of the 3 caballeros. Hopeful he will have a comeback in cartoon form and will have a meet and greet in the disneyworld. This channel was how i discovered he is in the mexican pavillion so i know i will have to go there now when im in disneyworld. Donald being the only one not being able to fly always kills me in this scene 12:36 saludos amigos and the three caballeros have some really good gags
Very informative! Thank you!! There is another reference to Ichabod Crane in the Magic Kingdom; a sign affixed to a corner of Ye Olde Christmas Shoppe shows the location of Ichy’s business, “Music & Voice Lessons.”
Also, thru 2012 or so, there was an old time Baseball Pinball Machine in one of the seating areas. I remember it working and playing it at some point. I also used it as a table a few times.
That Cowboy is Roy Rogers, and the horse is Trigger.
ALWAYS a banger, love your work man! gotta love the niche community of theme park/media+history nerds
also, is there any footage of Casey's Corner with the bleachers? I know I've been there when that was around, but I can't think of it.
While it is in name only, MK’s Sleepy Hollow Refreshments could count as representation of the film. Place has some good waffles imo.
Love your videos and this one was no exception. Keep up the great work.
While I've missed other references, I'm kicking myself for missing that one. I even knew it would fit, but I just forgot about it.
Hi -- I just spent half an hour typing out a rather lengthy general comment about many of the cartoons in this video and I touched something and everything disappeared. I just got this phone today and I can't retrieve the original reply.
I'm as old as Disneyland -- born in 1955. I remember watching all of these on The Wonderful World of Color on Sunday nights (except I saw it on a Black and White TV so no color for me!) 😆 Someone mentioned a Little Golden Book of Bongo -- I had that too! I remember seeing Pecos Bill combined with 3 other "Tall Tale" cartoons -- Paul Bunyan and Babe his Great Blue Ox, Johnny Appleseed and one that was about building the Transcontinental Railroad -- can't remember name of that one. They chopped lots of those up. I remember seeing the live action segments of the South American, Mexican series you showed. Along with Little Toot, Bongo, and the cartoons from Make Mine Music and ??(the other compilation -- it's 2:30am brain's not working!) I really enjoyed this, brought back lots of memories from the early 60's when I saw many of the cartoons and documentaries mentioned in this video! Keep up the good work!
The first half is very cool. My Mom's cousins worked at Padua Hills and are in the live action dance sequence in Three Caballeros. I wish this had been generally available when I was a kid, 'cause Hispanics really lacked representation in Disney media. Que viva Pancho Pistolas!
Oh, and some of us were familiar with those more obscure films because we watched the Sunday Disney TV programs.
Great video, I remember seeing these shows years ago in the 80s as a kid and they were already older cartoons then.
Melody Time was my fave of the War Time Disney Films alongside Make Mine Music.
Disneyland paris also has Toad Hall quick service restaurant, based on the Wind in the willows. It serves fish & chips as its signature meal.
I just looked up pictures of it and it looks awesome. Wish I had known about it.
This one was a trip, man. I recognize pretty much every single segment in this, but I had completely forgotten most of the titles. I don't remember having many of them as clamshell releases, so I think I saw them on Wonderful World of Disney or other broadcasts and taped them on vhs. Mickey and the Beanstalk was one of my favorites. I know they showed us the Johnny Appleseed one in school, too.
I was surprised to see that I was familiar with so much from the War Era. My father's mother and sister were big collectors, so I grew up watching all the movies they had.
Oh wow. This is so cool. Thanks!
I’ve always found this topic interesting so its weird to me that it’s considered obscure
I'm under the assumption that most people interested in Disney films are still probably not familiar with the war era. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I've never really heard anyone speak about them.
@@PoseidonEntertainment no you’re probably right lol To me it’s probably the most interesting time for Disney, so its weird to me that more people don’t know about it
Your modified opening credits gave me a chuckle. Nice to see you emulate Walt's philosophy of going the extra mile.
Am I the only one unnerved by the multitude of spinning machine gun turrets on the planes in "Victory Toward Air Power"? Some of the ones on the last plane in this clip looked likely to shoot the plane's own wing off! There were remote-controlled gun turrets on some planes in WW II but I don't know of any that worked that would spin around like that. The spinning ones were partially-glassed-in ball turrets with the gunner right there manning the guns. I wonder what kind of info the animators were working off of.
Humph! "Some cowboys" and "one of the cowboys" indeed! That's Roy Rogers and the Sons of the Pioneers doing both songs for the Pecos Bill segment; Roy is the one to go over and join the little girl and pet his brilliant palomino Trigger. I hope songwriters Eliot Daniel (lyrics) and Johnny Lange (music) had the rights to that, since it's been covered by everyone and his brother and is on the Western Writer's of America's Top 100 Western Songs list. Of those I've heard I like best Suzanne Vega's on the "Stay Awake" album. Her version of "Say Awake" from "Mary Poppins" is just as good, and Buster Poindexter's "Castle in Spain" from "Babes in Toyland" is quite something.
I think a lot of older Disney fans are more familiar with these films than you think; I saw them on "Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Color" (an annoying title, since we didn't get a color TV until the 1970s) and "The Wonderful World of Walt Disney" growing up. And I would think most completest fans have seen them. My kids watched a lot of them as shorts on RUclips (along with Silly Symphonies and the original songs to compare them to the album "Stay Awake"). Somewhat ironically, aside from "Victory Toward Air Power" the only one I *don't* remember seeing on those as a kid is "Mr. Toad," which is of course the one you thought would be best known to your viewers. But I suspect it's more that I wasn't a fan of it than that they didn't show it.
Well thought out and nicely done, as always. Thanks for the time you put into these.
Love your videos! Well produced!
Believe it or not, the characters Chip 'n' Dale got their start in one of the wartime animated shorts "Private Pluto". So we also have Disney's involvement with WW2 to thank for the creation of those characters.
I knew all those war era films. We had them as part of a collection of LPs while growing up. Once I was old enough, I searched and found most of those films(80's). Sadly, my mom sold that collection of LPs in a yard sale in the early 90's after I had gone off to college.
also there is a connection between blue shadows on the trail and the echoes of disneyland album, based on nightly performances on main street
I made sure to watch all these once so I could say I'd seen every Disney animated feature. I think that makes me obsessed?
During the 2020 shut down, I did work my way through every single main-line animated film in order. It was really interesting to see how the state of the company was reflected in the quality of the animation as I did a bit of research behind the development of most of the films. For example, I was surprised by how much of the Disney Renaissance was reflected in the Black Cauldron's quality of animation and early use of CGI, even if the film's reputation keeps people away.
That is a great use of quarantine. That's how rescuers down under is too, it's beautiful even though the story is not one of Disney's strongest
Wow another fantastic 🤩video my friend 😀
My family used to love going to Casey's corner back when it had the bleachers and cartoons. We'd buy ice cream at the cafe across the street and watch the cartoons at Caseys enjoying the AC to take a break from the heat. It was something we have done ever since my first visit to Disney when I was 5 and it was one of my Dad's favorite part of the day. When we went in 2014 to celebrate my 18th birthday and saw that they did away with the bleachers, we stood in silence for 5 minutes devastated at what we saw. It was easily one of the most heartbreaking things I have ever witnessed. The look on my Dad's face resembled a kid after their dog died. We then took our ice cream and sat outside in sadness our tradition has died. At least a few of the cartoons are Disney+ and I got to introduce my boyfriend to them and rewatch them with my Dad. However it really doesn't beat watching it at Casey's corner.
The Legend of Sleepy Hollow has had one other representation, albeit only occasionally and seasonally. Walt Disney World has offered an experience around Halloween time featuring a nighttime showing of the film in the stable at Tri Circle D Ranch, along with a guest interaction/photo op with the headless horseman. Of course there has been specific merch offerings (the pin is particularly fun). The environment in which you see the film, surrounded by horses in their darkened stalls, contributes to the total atmosphere of the experience.
My grandma had VHS tapes of almost all of these so I've seen almost all of them, good trip down memory lane
The Peter & The Wolf segment from Make Mine Music has it's own scene on the Storybook Land Canal Boats ride at Disneyland Paris.
I remember a lot of these as stand alone shorts. Pretty sure they chopped them up and either put them on VHS titles ahead or of the features or aired them on the early days of the Disney Channel. Or both? Who knows. Memories are hard.
Oh they did for sure. Many of the segments in Make Mine Music and Melody Time were also played in front of films in the 1950s as well.
You’re actually kidding me… we just had a research project about WWII and I chose Disney in WWII, one of my sections was about the representation in the parks…
Anyone else notice the complete lack of character design for the female characters. In these films in particular, like show me you have no female animators without showing me you have no female animators
Just one of them creators you click on no questions asked
Although not park-related by any means, the audience should be aware of two other controversial war films that Disney produced:
1. Der Fuerher's face (spelling?)
2.Education for Death
Regardless, the Legend of Sleepy Hollow is a masterpiece. The dance/party sequence is beyond funny...
I was a history major in college and this happened to be during the Wild West days of peer to peer sharing and I managed to find dozens of the old Disney and WB propaganda cartoons online and subsequently wrote a term paper on them. I know why Disney keeps them firmly in the vault (racist stereotypes are pretty common), but if you get a chance to see them it is definitely worth it just from a pop culture history standpoint.
Just skimming through Victory Through Air Power, I did notice some very distasteful representation of the Japanese. Still, from a historical perspective, I agree that these films are fascinating.
the adventures of winnie the pooh ride gave me nightmares the heffalumps and woozles part was so scary😭😭😭 i was begging to be let off
I’m going to Disneyland again in October. I’ve been before for Halloween but I’d forgotten that the parade features the Headless Horseman!!! Now I’m excited!!!! :D
Great work!❤
The cowboys in the Pecos Bill segment were in fact Roy Rogers and the Sons of the Pioneers. And one of the kids would eventually be the voice of Peter Pan, and his was a tragic story for another time.
It's interesting no one remembers those shorts. Cause I do. The only one I didn't remember was the short on the bayou segment that was suppose to be in fantasia. The rest of them I remember from seeing the older Disney Channel, when they first started out. I saw Bongo so many times, Pecos Bill, and Johnny Appleseed.
I also have to mention the Cowboys in the live action segment of Pecos Bill is none other than Roy Rodgers and the Sons of the Pioneers. I find it interesting he actually was in one of the Disney shorts. My dad was a fan of Roy Rodgers so I know a lot about them.
The war time cartoons were really interesting too. I also own some of the old VHS tapes of some of the Disney Shorts..one is only war time themed shorts and it had some interesting ones in it. I bet those animators that were hired to make them were glad they could help with animation rather than going off to war. Sounds like it was super hard on them.
You missed references to The Legend of Ichabod Crane at Magic Kingdom. Not only is the quick service location Sleepy Hollow obviously a reference to Ichabod, but directly across from it is Ye Olde Christmas Shoppe which is themed as Ichabod's old music classroom. There is a sign outside of Christmas Shops's door #13 that mentions Ichabod's music lessons as well as his violin above a door inside the "music room".
All of this ties into the early New York architectural styling that welcomes visitors into Liberty Square.
The funny thing is I remeber the obscure movies more but never saw Mr.Toad or headless horseman. The thin bread slice was wild to me,
Thanks for the video, but just a small correction: the "gauchos" are only from Uruguay, Argentina, and the southernmost part of Brazil, not all of South America.
Another excellent video! I really do not know why people rank the wartime era so low. World War 2 was completely out of the Disney company’s control. They did their best, even if the movies were just a compilation of shorts and the animation team really grew their skills during that time and the money coming in from the government allowed them to experiment.
I don't think that the films are under-rated, so much as they're just not as well known. I suspect that their lack of central narrative makes them more difficult to market when promoting "classic" Disney.
Does "Sleepy Hollow Refreshments" in Liberty Square at the Magic Kingdom not count as representation for "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow" within the parks?
This video was extremely neat. I was familiar with most of it but I actually learned a lot of The Three Caballeros today so thank you!
I think it does
Came here to make this comment
No it definitely does, but I honestly just forgot. I even walked right past it when I went to go film everything for the video.
Nothing like seeing a good ol' Disney deep cut at the parks
Funnily enough, I've seen a lot of at this movie theater by me that a famous director owns. They play the war propaganda shorts before this director's WWII movie, and every other Sunday they have a Cartoon Club where it's just 2 hours of random cartoons, usually more obscure ones because it's aimed at kids and industry animators. Lots of war time Disney shorts have been shown the few times I've gone. Next time I go to Disneyland I'll have to keep my eye open for this stuff!
As a brazilian I love the animations set in Brazil. The fact that the brazilian Ze Carioca comics ran from 1961 to 2018 ending its run with 1332 (longer than One Piece, lol) issues really shows how popular that bird was to brazilians.
At storybook circus lumpjaw from the bongo segment is goofy’s wrestling partner on a sign in the barnstormer
If you hadn't mentioned it, I never would have noticed. Thanks for the info
time to get comfy, its a new Poseidon video
Nice to see the 1940s animated tie ins to the parks. Haven’t seen willie the operatic whale in ages. Thanks.
It was a small thing, and rather old at this point (I feel myself aging as I type that), but the Headless Horseman occasionally rode through the roads of Disney World's Fort Wilderness Campground in Florida at night. My cousin shared a rumor with me that the horseman only rode around midnight, but the one and only time I caught sight of the rider was closer to maybe 10pm xD I doubt they did this for long as I imagine parents eventually complained about scared kids, but the late 80s/early 90s were wild haha.
I didn’t know these were considered obscure. I was very familiar with all but the military ones. I had even had a Bongo Little Golden Book. In the 1980s and 1990s syndicated reruns of The Wonderful World of Disney used to air on local channels, especially on Saturday afternoons after all the cartoons had gone off. These, and many other movies both animated and live action (from the early color days up to the early 80s) would be shown. At night (I think Sunday nights), the current Disney anthology show would air. It changed names a few times over the years, but was also called The Wonderful World of Disney. The night program was on a network instead of syndicated and showed more recent movies, both theatrically released and made for tv, but also sometimes showed older ones. Disney’s back catalogue used to be more prominent. The earlier days of the Disney Channel used to have a lot of it on the schedule. Also, they were commonly shown in schools, especially folklore (such as Pecos Bill and Paul Bunyan) and literature (Casey at the Bat, Wind in the Willows, The Legend of Sleepy Hollow), as well as videos on educational topics often hosted by Ludwig Von Drake or Jiminy Cricket. Disney used to have a big educational products division that would repackage shorts and segments into things to be shown and used in schools as VHS tapes, filmstrips, and projector film.
I definitely missed all of that. I remember seeing some war shorts in school around 2007, but I was otherwise never exposed to these films. I only became familiar with them in 2020 during the shut down when I watched all of the animated films in order to get a sense of their development and evolution.
Disney’s “obscure” movies and tv shows from the 1950s through the 1970s used to be very accessible. Gen X and early Millennial kids grew up watching things originally released long before most were born. I love 20k Leagues, Swiss Family Robinson, the old Zorro tv show, and many live action movies you may not be familiar with. Some were historical, like The Swamp Fox and Davy Crockett. Some had sadness and the harsh elements of life, like Greyfriar’s Bobby, The Littlest Horsethieves, The Many Lives of Thomasina, or Old Yeller. Others were goofy fun, like Blackbeard’s Ghost, The Absent Minded Professor, Gus, The Cat From Outer Space, or The Shaggy Dog. They all were considered wholesome entertainment. I feel Disney management is making a long term mistake by hiding things away. Children are often willing to watch a good story even if it’s not brand new with the latest cgi and fart jokes. If you grow up with a story, you’re more likely to have a fondness for it and want to share it with your own kids, creating a generational bond. I remember watching many of these with my parents, who had watched them when they were new. Some were cultural touchstones. Every St. Patrick’s Day, Darby O’Gill and the Little People would air. By not having these movies out there, easily accessible, or being promoted in any way, the connection to newer generations is lost, like how you apparently grew up with no connection to or fondness for any of these. By letting that happen, in just a few generations the company can be rendering large pieces of itself irrelevant. It’s very short sighted.
Oh, I forgot to mention, the syndicated old episodes of the Wonderful World of Disney also included episodes that had the introductions by Walt Disney, from his old shows, so we grew up with “Uncle Walt” like our Baby Boomer parents had, even though he had passed away decades earlier. Would I be correct to assume younger cohorts lack that connection to Walt the man and view him more as an abstraction?
I have second this. I saw most of these on the Wonderful World of Disney as well. I was surprised to see things I remember casually seeing as a normal kid labelled as vanishingly obscure. Granted, I've never seen them since I was a kid, but I assumed they'd still be showing wherever kids today get their cartoons. It never occurred to me that they'd disappear like they apparently have.
Ah yes, Fun and Fancy Free, my favorite Disney movie not named the Book of Menstruation.
You'd think Disney would retheme their parks without these movies in mind instead of not commiting to a Splash Mountain retheme...
I LOVE Melody Time, I had a VHS of it as a kid
This is fascinating. You can bet I will be looking for more "Disney at War" throughout the Disney Parks.
In the meantime...
Toad Hall from "Ichabod & Mr Toad" is featured in the miniature buildings on the Storybook Land Canal Boats & Casey Jr Circus Train at Disneyland Park. Storybook Land Canal Boats was a DL opening day attraction.
In the queue for Mickey's Philharmagic (Magic Kingdom), there is a poster advertising 'I Pagliacci performed by Willie the Whale.'
In the MK Big Thunder Mountain RR queue, there is a sign advertising 'Pecos Bill Tall Tale Inn & Cafe."
More recent, and beyond the Parks, Disney's Saratoga Springs Resort celebrates the horse culture in 1880's Saratoga, New York. The hotel rooms just completed a major renovation. There is artwork in each resort room living area depicting Johnny Fedora & Alice Bluebonnet as worn by the horses at the end of the film.
Love when the Imagineers sneak in more obscure Disney references. 😍
There is also representation of Pecos Bill and Slue Foot Sue at the Golden Horseshoe in Disneyland on the front doors... if I'm not mistaken
Others have pointed that out as well. I've never been inside the Golden Horseshoe, though I'll make an effort to check it out next time I go.
I never saw the pecos bill cartoon - I'll have to go take a look! I only knew about him from that one live action movie
Honestly, where is a Headless Horseman dark ride, already.
Right?
Hard agree
I heard that originally the Magic Kingdom's Fantasyland dark rides were going to be based on completely different films, rather than just being clones of Disneyland's. One of the attractions would have apparently been a Sleepy Hollow dark ride. I guess they decided to just stick to cloning the Disneyland rides to be on the safe side, but it's an intriguing idea I'm sorta sad never happened.