All you have to do is limit the 7950x in BIOS to 140w and or 82C and it runs fine with no heat issues at all. I did that from day one after watching some yt videos and never had a single issue with heat on a 360 rad. But doing so I lose about 7% performance over max unlimited power, so.. I guess that would negate its 2% lead over the 3D version. So probably in the final analysis, the 3D chip is better, but not better enough to upgrade... but if you game a lot or that's all you do, then it's probably worth buying. I'm going to wait for the 9000 or better series chips before I upgrade.
@@Chagooo Yep, limit it in bios to 80C and you're fine.. it'll go up and over to 83C. Maybe you lose 3% off the top, but with 16 cores /32 threads, you'll will never ever notice it, because you never max out the beast anyway. Got a 360 AIO on mine as well. It idles at kind of high temps, like 55C, which is mystifying. Never had a heat problem with mine, so the heat hype was overblown, because BIOS's by default allowed it to ramp up all the way to 95C and over... which is indeed cooking. Formerly most processors were set with highest temp allowable to be 75C... so if you really want to be safe with a long CPU life, set it at 70C limit. You eventually tune out the fan curves making the computer ramp up and ramp down and sound breathy all the time... which is the most annoying thing about having a high performance processor.
I'm trying to decide whether the 7950X or 7950X3D is better for me. I do 3D visualisation and apparently the higher core speed of the 7950X (4.5 vs 4.2) would benefit me more than the increased L3 cache of the 7950X3D (128MB vs 64MB). I also love gaming, but my monitor is capped at 60fps so I don't need a crazy high frame rate which is the main benefit of the 7950X3D. I hear the 7950X runs quite hot and eats a lot more power when compared to the 7950X3D. Any advise on which CPU to go with?
Just go for the 7950x. I've paired mine with a 4080 super and it handles everything just fine. Most games at 4K stays stable around +-80 FPS and it hasnt gone over 80 degrees(paired with Corsair iCUE H150i Elite)
i agree with rick, 7950x. If you throw it in eco mode, you get negligible performance loss and it'll run between 40-55c, which is perfectly normal for this chip. Doesnt hurt to have a good cooling option either. Definitely a hefty AIO.
Whats weird about reviewing this CPU for gaming is ... are you really going to spend all that money on a 7950x3D and a 4090 to game at ... 1080p? I get that the test configuration is setup to test the CPUs, but I hope people out there aren't using these configs just to do 1080p gaming.
Yes, tryhard competitive gamers will like those kind of specs for better .1%/1% lows in FPS/Battle Royale games... edit: especially with 500hz+ 1080p panels around the corner.
You can still encounter some CPU related FPS drops even at 4K with a 4090. For example in the the Last Of Us my 5800X3D may average over 100 fps with a 4090 but in some areas with lots of NPCs it can drop as low as 70 fps. (GPU usage can drop as low as 60%)
This is done so that the differences can be magnified in PC gaming. They don't want the GPU to be a bottleneck hence the resolution and GPU choice. It's not supposed to be realistic.
In the US in mid July 2024, the price is essentially equal, so for a mixed workload the 3D is my choice. But I'm waiting for the Zen5 release to see where pricing goes.
Potential clock speeds come down more to the silicon lottery than anything else, as well as luck on the motherboard and PSU, so I would chalk that one up to that. Beyond that, the X3D is better for tasks that take advantage of L3 cache (rendering, gaming, etc.), but trades off needing more cooling for the more sensitive 3D cache (why it runs lower and cooler) and the issues with scheduling due to the failure of the Windows Game Bar so it can't take advantage of the extra 3D cache anyways. The 7950X in Eco mode is pound for pound one of the most efficient high performing CPUs we've ever seen overall. Thankfully the 7800X3D is an absolute champion, because it only has one CCD so no scheduling issues and gains the advantage of extra L3 cache. Hopefully the next gen will either use something better for scheduling, or they take Microsoft to task and make sure their WGB does its job properly.
@@STSYT which should I pick from 7800x3D, 7950x, 7950x3D for a decent identical performance in both game and productivity while most power efficient as well!
I am using the official "solution" provided from AMD and Microsoft. The latest chipset driver with the 3DV Cache Optimizer and the Xbox Game Bar. I mean it will shift all games on the first CCD but tbh I am too lazy and dont care to shift my games always between CCDs
This is a complicated topic. I wouldn’t really consider it an upgrade though, it is a “side grade.” You don’t get x3d vcache on all of its 16 cores. What you get are 2 ccds that run on different speed/frequency, as one ccd has the extra 3d vcache for gaming and the other ccd with faster clock speed has a smaller cache, no 3d vcache designed for productivity. AMD shot themselves in the foot by doing this similar to the 7900x3d. Badly engineered, terrible concept. Whoever designed this should be fired for having a half baked, lackluster cpu.
The biggest problem is that it goes against the logic of Windows 11 scheduler. Win 11 scheduler focuses on high frequency cores first, and only when the resource is exhausted it begins to shift to lower speed cores. 12900k/13900k/14900k is already designed to use P-Cores that are higher clocked, and it doesn't clash with Windows 11 scheduler. Though I did turn off hyperthreading on P-Cores and all the stutter is now gone. I still have E-Cores enabled. And they actually help the performance in gaming. Turning off E-Cores makes your mouse input greater and frame to frame time is increased. Causing more latency. Process Lasso that Intel to turn off hyperthreading in games, but keep E-Cores On. Ryzen chip has game cores at lower frequencies. It goes against the Win 11 scheduler principle. Their 3D caches should be at the same or greater frequency than non-3D cache CCD. That's where the lack of engineering came in. But I bet you it's some corporate exec trying to cut costs, and engineers fuming in the background, knowing how Win11 scheduler works.
I find this funny as I made the exact same observation and commented such on a different streamers channel. I was told I didn't know what I was talking about. AMD should have just put higher cache on each CCD and called it a day IMHO.
We’ll see if they learned their lesson on the next release of the x3d chip. Right now, 7900x3d is just ridiculous. The performance is worse than 7800x3d. They should have stuck to 8 cores vcache at least and just added more cores if they wanted to keep this crooked way of thinking and still having a purchase value rather than maiming the higher tier product. They need to fire whoever is responsible for this big mistake.
You shouldn’t have to buy another software like process lasso to make your flagship product (7950x3d Zen 4 Ryzen 9) work similarly or better than your lower tier product (7800x3d Zen 4 Ryzen 7). It does not make any logical sense no matter how much I try to understand their point, even from a pure business perspective. They are lucky Intel didn’t capitalize on this mistake.
If u arent into gaming or u use ur pc for productivity instead get the 7950x. If u are into gaming get the 7800x3d, forget about 7950x3d it honestly in my opinion shouldnt even exist.
@@KPAki1Ler Of course you can do both. You can do productivity and gaming on all of these CPUs. Some are just better at one thing and some are better at another thing. 7950x was made for productivity, 7800x3d was made for gaming, 7950x3d was supposed to be good for both but its worse and at best the same as the 7800x3d in gaming (even though its around $250 more expensive than the 7800x3d), and it is just plain out worse than the 7950x in productivity. 7950x3d has 2 CCds each 8 cores and only 1 of them has 3D V Cash, when gaming u would want to use the 3D V Cash CCD (othervise why would you buy the x3d verison) but sometimes that just doesnt happen and the game just runs on the non 3D V Cash CCD. Its just a weird CPU that is expensive but worse at gaming compared to the cheaper option and worse in productivity than the non x3d version.
@@Ariies there's literally just a few % difference in productivity based on the charts in this video, and when 3d v cache is utilised the charts are showing a big advantage. Imo it looks like a good all around CPU 7950x3d. Costs a fair bit but not without its benefits.
@@Ariies something you could argue I suppose is that there is only a small amount of games utilising 3d v cache so the extra cost ain't worth it over the raw performance of the 7950x for both tasks.
I could get the 7950x 300 bucks cheaper before the x3d launch. At that point a proper gaming build 7800x3d would make more sense. Not, that the 7950x wouldnt be more than enough to game
@@Helios.vfx.how is the 7950x cpu? Im confused between i914th and 7950x/7950x3d. I would get 4070 super gpu. For blender and gaming which combination will be good?
@@nastychinese9686 I will give you as a AMD owner the pros and cons. AMD tends to have bugged bios so you'd have to update it if you feel something's off. But before doing it you'll have to read the reviews if the version you're gonna update. With windows and bugged bios you're gonna have stutters and stuff. If the current gen of AMD is bios bug free. You're okay then, go for it. Cause it uses energy smartly. Compared with intel, that uses a bunch of energy when you're doing blender and rendering. I'd stil go for AMD. If you get all the AMD flaws fixed up. I don't like intel cause it used a bunch of electricity and produces a lot of heat and you'd need water cooling. I'm fine with my air cooling working without any leaks and fearing the pump would break. AMD uses less energy, and when browsing and doing basic atuff. Energy saving is a lot. Down side of AMD. Look up at bios and always keep up with chipsets updated
@@Helios.vfx. Bro im looking to upgrade from my setup i7 6700k + 3080 12gb. I only want to upgrade the CPU first as the 3080 12gb is still plenty enough. I can get the 7950x for 370 usd and the 7950x3d for 480 usd. Which one should i pick? I want fast multitasking cpu that can also game. My monitor is 1440p 144hz. Also i have no problem for cooling as my left over custom loop for my i7 6700k is a triple 360 rad on a modded cosmos 2 case.
I "upgraded" pc 1 from 7950X to 7950x3d and put the 7950X in pc 2. I regret it. It's not stabile, it's utter rubbish. Returning it and buying a second 7950X for pc 1. Never had problems with 7950X and plays everything 4K on ultra settings.
And what makes you think I just installed and go? I made my tweaks in bios. Set on advanced and enabled cache. Parked cores, what makes gaming prestations way worse. I was just not lucky. I got another one, the first one appeared faulty. And everything is fine now. I'm not stupid.
I'm considering the 7950x over the 3D version because I do a lot of 3D rendering and modelling, so it's more for work. I do want a CPU however to go with my 4080 to make Cyberpunk 2077 look and play as great as possible in 4k pathtracing ultra settings and capped at 60fps. Having said all that, would you recommend the 7950X over the 7950X3D?
I don't do rendering or modelling so I honestly don't know. For Cyberpunk 2077 at 4k is de 3d version slightly faster. My first 7950x3d unfortunately was faulty, but the new one works as it should. Still, between both pc's I don't see much of a difference. Except for the tdp, the 3d version has a tdp of 120 watts, the non 3d 150 watts. Still, I have the feeling I prefer the non 3d version more. But both are good, I think you need to find out for yourself what you prefer better.
All you have to do is limit the 7950x in BIOS to 140w and or 82C and it runs fine with no heat issues at all.
I did that from day one after watching some yt videos and never had a single issue with heat on a 360 rad.
But doing so I lose about 7% performance over max unlimited power, so.. I guess that would negate its 2% lead over the 3D version.
So probably in the final analysis, the 3D chip is better, but not better enough to upgrade... but if you game a lot or that's all you do, then it's probably worth buying.
I'm going to wait for the 9000 or better series chips before I upgrade.
Yeah my 7950x gets and stays around 85 with a 360mm rad so I’d say I’m chillin
@@Chagooo Yep, limit it in bios to 80C and you're fine.. it'll go up and over to 83C. Maybe you lose 3% off the top, but with 16 cores /32 threads, you'll will never ever notice it, because you never max out the beast anyway. Got a 360 AIO on mine as well. It idles at kind of high temps, like 55C, which is mystifying.
Never had a heat problem with mine, so the heat hype was overblown, because BIOS's by default allowed it to ramp up all the way to 95C and over... which is indeed cooking. Formerly most processors were set with highest temp allowable to be 75C... so if you really want to be safe with a long CPU life, set it at 70C limit.
You eventually tune out the fan curves making the computer ramp up and ramp down and sound breathy all the time... which is the most annoying thing about having a high performance processor.
@@choppergirl yeah I literally just have my fans at max speed all the time, couldn’t be bothered to hear that constant breathing
just get the X3D, lower wattage, better coolage
Yeah given how much I game… I will make it up in power bill savings alone
it's also faster in creating work when it's has same power
Ok thanks I will
less cookage*
I'm trying to decide whether the 7950X or 7950X3D is better for me. I do 3D visualisation and apparently the higher core speed of the 7950X (4.5 vs 4.2) would benefit me more than the increased L3 cache of the 7950X3D (128MB vs 64MB). I also love gaming, but my monitor is capped at 60fps so I don't need a crazy high frame rate which is the main benefit of the 7950X3D.
I hear the 7950X runs quite hot and eats a lot more power when compared to the 7950X3D. Any advise on which CPU to go with?
Just go for the 7950x.
I've paired mine with a 4080 super and it handles everything just fine.
Most games at 4K stays stable around +-80 FPS and it hasnt gone over 80 degrees(paired with Corsair iCUE H150i Elite)
i agree with rick, 7950x. If you throw it in eco mode, you get negligible performance loss and it'll run between 40-55c, which is perfectly normal for this chip. Doesnt hurt to have a good cooling option either. Definitely a hefty AIO.
Whats weird about reviewing this CPU for gaming is ... are you really going to spend all that money on a 7950x3D and a 4090 to game at ... 1080p? I get that the test configuration is setup to test the CPUs, but I hope people out there aren't using these configs just to do 1080p gaming.
Yes, tryhard competitive gamers will like those kind of specs for better .1%/1% lows in FPS/Battle Royale games...
edit: especially with 500hz+ 1080p panels around the corner.
@@cartoned_that's crazy. I thought my 165hz monitor was smooth. I never seen a 240 or 360 Hz in person.
You can still encounter some CPU related FPS drops even at 4K with a 4090. For example in the the Last Of Us my 5800X3D may average over 100 fps with a 4090 but in some areas with lots of NPCs it can drop as low as 70 fps. (GPU usage can drop as low as 60%)
But it's a lot easier to compare CPUs at 1080p to make the differences even bigger. It's hard to benchmark CPUs with realistic settings
This is done so that the differences can be magnified in PC gaming. They don't want the GPU to be a bottleneck hence the resolution and GPU choice. It's not supposed to be realistic.
great video really cool stuff! thinking of getting me a amd 7950x3d soon! i been using intel chips for awhile… have a good day everyone!
Bro the Ryzen 9 9950X just releases next month, so wait for the 9950x3d in Sept. it will absolutely smoke the 7950x3d
@@randyfox364 thank you brooo
@@randyfox364 IT will also be more expensive, at least 7950x3d launch price
I would take the 7950X any day of the week. There’s really only a handful of games that actually take advantage of the X3D.
Thank you, at least someone has said it!
For someone who wants value for productivity tasks like video encoding it's a good CPU.
i'm addicted to rimworld so ill take that l3 cache any day of the year
How about for both gaming and streaming? Would the 7950x be better overall?
@@DeadlySwords8the non 3d version is the best version. 3d one is worst
In the US in mid July 2024, the price is essentially equal, so for a mixed workload the 3D is my choice. But I'm waiting for the Zen5 release to see where pricing goes.
Potential clock speeds come down more to the silicon lottery than anything else, as well as luck on the motherboard and PSU, so I would chalk that one up to that. Beyond that, the X3D is better for tasks that take advantage of L3 cache (rendering, gaming, etc.), but trades off needing more cooling for the more sensitive 3D cache (why it runs lower and cooler) and the issues with scheduling due to the failure of the Windows Game Bar so it can't take advantage of the extra 3D cache anyways. The 7950X in Eco mode is pound for pound one of the most efficient high performing CPUs we've ever seen overall. Thankfully the 7800X3D is an absolute champion, because it only has one CCD so no scheduling issues and gains the advantage of extra L3 cache. Hopefully the next gen will either use something better for scheduling, or they take Microsoft to task and make sure their WGB does its job properly.
Great video. I appreciate the work you do!
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@STSYT which should I pick from 7800x3D, 7950x, 7950x3D for a decent identical performance in both game and productivity while most power efficient as well!
For those looking to use or are using the 7950x3D, would ProcessLasso be a good tool to use? You can designate the game to use only the 3D CCD.
I am using the official "solution" provided from AMD and Microsoft.
The latest chipset driver with the 3DV Cache Optimizer and the Xbox Game Bar.
I mean it will shift all games on the first CCD but tbh I am too lazy and dont care to shift my games always between CCDs
comparation is great except need some more actual games with DX12
Noted for potential future changes
@@STSYT Add UE4/5 games, Warzone and Tarkov. Those games will definitely show cpu scaling.
I purchased 7950x3D because I leave the computer doing calculations 24/7 so I dont want it to overheat or result in expensive electricity bill.
I play dota 2, valorant and cs go and x3d destroys on both val and dota 2, but cs go doesnt benefit much from the L3 cache
This is a complicated topic. I wouldn’t really consider it an upgrade though, it is a “side grade.” You don’t get x3d vcache on all of its 16 cores. What you get are 2 ccds that run on different speed/frequency, as one ccd has the extra 3d vcache for gaming and the other ccd with faster clock speed has a smaller cache, no 3d vcache designed for productivity. AMD shot themselves in the foot by doing this similar to the 7900x3d. Badly engineered, terrible concept. Whoever designed this should be fired for having a half baked, lackluster cpu.
The biggest problem is that it goes against the logic of Windows 11 scheduler. Win 11 scheduler focuses on high frequency cores first, and only when the resource is exhausted it begins to shift to lower speed cores.
12900k/13900k/14900k is already designed to use P-Cores that are higher clocked, and it doesn't clash with Windows 11 scheduler. Though I did turn off hyperthreading on P-Cores and all the stutter is now gone.
I still have E-Cores enabled. And they actually help the performance in gaming. Turning off E-Cores makes your mouse input greater and frame to frame time is increased. Causing more latency.
Process Lasso that Intel to turn off hyperthreading in games, but keep E-Cores On.
Ryzen chip has game cores at lower frequencies. It goes against the Win 11 scheduler principle. Their 3D caches should be at the same or greater frequency than non-3D cache CCD. That's where the lack of engineering came in.
But I bet you it's some corporate exec trying to cut costs, and engineers fuming in the background, knowing how Win11 scheduler works.
I find this funny as I made the exact same observation and commented such on a different streamers channel. I was told I didn't know what I was talking about. AMD should have just put higher cache on each CCD and called it a day IMHO.
We’ll see if they learned their lesson on the next release of the x3d chip. Right now, 7900x3d is just ridiculous. The performance is worse than 7800x3d. They should have stuck to 8 cores vcache at least and just added more cores if they wanted to keep this crooked way of thinking and still having a purchase value rather than maiming the higher tier product. They need to fire whoever is responsible for this big mistake.
You shouldn’t have to buy another software like process lasso to make your flagship product (7950x3d Zen 4 Ryzen 9) work similarly or better than your lower tier product (7800x3d Zen 4 Ryzen 7). It does not make any logical sense no matter how much I try to understand their point, even from a pure business perspective. They are lucky Intel didn’t capitalize on this mistake.
nice explanation and benchmarks
try 7950x,smt off,pbo -20 all cores.With 7950x3d you cant do anything.1080p and 1440p
Perfect comparison data
It is simply the best overal CPU for ITx lover
Maybe I am blind and/or deaf but which cooler did you use on both CPUs?
Which one would you pick for flight simulator?
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If u arent into gaming or u use ur pc for productivity instead get the 7950x. If u are into gaming get the 7800x3d, forget about 7950x3d it honestly in my opinion shouldnt even exist.
Can't you do both? it's why people buy intel i7/i9 or these 7950/x3d parts.
@@KPAki1Ler Of course you can do both. You can do productivity and gaming on all of these CPUs. Some are just better at one thing and some are better at another thing. 7950x was made for productivity, 7800x3d was made for gaming, 7950x3d was supposed to be good for both but its worse and at best the same as the 7800x3d in gaming (even though its around $250 more expensive than the 7800x3d), and it is just plain out worse than the 7950x in productivity. 7950x3d has 2 CCds each 8 cores and only 1 of them has 3D V Cash, when gaming u would want to use the 3D V Cash CCD (othervise why would you buy the x3d verison) but sometimes that just doesnt happen and the game just runs on the non 3D V Cash CCD. Its just a weird CPU that is expensive but worse at gaming compared to the cheaper option and worse in productivity than the non x3d version.
@@Ariies there's literally just a few % difference in productivity based on the charts in this video, and when 3d v cache is utilised the charts are showing a big advantage. Imo it looks like a good all around CPU 7950x3d. Costs a fair bit but not without its benefits.
@@Ariies something you could argue I suppose is that there is only a small amount of games utilising 3d v cache so the extra cost ain't worth it over the raw performance of the 7950x for both tasks.
@@Ariies 7950x in productivity is only like 3% better so 3D version is a win for productivity and gaming
Which one is better for streaming and gaming?
either. pick the cheapest one. just bare in mind the 7950x runs hotter and uses more power.
@@Mr_M_ Thanks ! Any recommendation for what cooler i should buy and what MOBO?
Intriguing
2:05 true
the 3d variant is 100 euro cheaper for me
hm.. so for me its the 7950x. otherwise i cant justify me spending one month worth of salary on a gaming pc other then for improved productivity :D
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I could get the 7950x 300 bucks cheaper before the x3d launch. At that point a proper gaming build 7800x3d would make more sense. Not, that the 7950x wouldnt be more than enough to game
i dont trust videos with graphs, its basically a take your word for it
What if you work in 3d softwares, do lots of simulations, and render on the GPU?
Get the non 3d. Is the best for that. I use Houdini FX for simulations.
@@Helios.vfx.how is the 7950x cpu?
Im confused between i914th and 7950x/7950x3d.
I would get 4070 super gpu.
For blender and gaming which combination will be good?
@@nastychinese9686 I will give you as a AMD owner the pros and cons.
AMD tends to have bugged bios so you'd have to update it if you feel something's off. But before doing it you'll have to read the reviews if the version you're gonna update.
With windows and bugged bios you're gonna have stutters and stuff. If the current gen of AMD is bios bug free. You're okay then, go for it. Cause it uses energy smartly. Compared with intel, that uses a bunch of energy when you're doing blender and rendering.
I'd stil go for AMD. If you get all the AMD flaws fixed up. I don't like intel cause it used a bunch of electricity and produces a lot of heat and you'd need water cooling. I'm fine with my air cooling working without any leaks and fearing the pump would break.
AMD uses less energy, and when browsing and doing basic atuff. Energy saving is a lot.
Down side of AMD. Look up at bios and always keep up with chipsets updated
@@nastychinese9686 don't get any 3D version for AMD. Is a waste and it works worse than the non 3D
@@Helios.vfx. Bro im looking to upgrade from my setup i7 6700k + 3080 12gb. I only want to upgrade the CPU first as the 3080 12gb is still plenty enough. I can get the 7950x for 370 usd and the 7950x3d for 480 usd. Which one should i pick? I want fast multitasking cpu that can also game. My monitor is 1440p 144hz. Also i have no problem for cooling as my left over custom loop for my i7 6700k is a triple 360 rad on a modded cosmos 2 case.
Cannot take that loop. Argh! so interesting otherwise.
I "upgraded" pc 1 from 7950X to 7950x3d and put the 7950X in pc 2. I regret it. It's not stabile, it's utter rubbish. Returning it and buying a second 7950X for pc 1. Never had problems with 7950X and plays everything 4K on ultra settings.
Because its not just INSTALL and done, you have to do tweaks because of the v3cache
And what makes you think I just installed and go? I made my tweaks in bios. Set on advanced and enabled cache. Parked cores, what makes gaming prestations way worse. I was just not lucky. I got another one, the first one appeared faulty. And everything is fine now. I'm not stupid.
I'm considering the 7950x over the 3D version because I do a lot of 3D rendering and modelling, so it's more for work. I do want a CPU however to go with my 4080 to make Cyberpunk 2077 look and play as great as possible in 4k pathtracing ultra settings and capped at 60fps. Having said all that, would you recommend the 7950X over the 7950X3D?
I don't do rendering or modelling so I honestly don't know. For Cyberpunk 2077 at 4k is de 3d version slightly faster. My first 7950x3d unfortunately was faulty, but the new one works as it should. Still, between both pc's I don't see much of a difference. Except for the tdp, the 3d version has a tdp of 120 watts, the non 3d 150 watts. Still, I have the feeling I prefer the non 3d version more. But both are good, I think you need to find out for yourself what you prefer better.
@@NormaBATES007 because 3d sucks Windows scheduler IS shit
Bad game to test
These are the standard games to test when it comes to cpu scaling 😂
I’m always open to suggestions