As you say, the ingredients are there (especially as water touches rock, unlike on/in Ganymede). Indeed, it would be a head-scratcher if we *didn't* find some kind of life there, especially as life arose on Earth *right* after it became possible, in geo-time.
I'm an engineer. People ask me what engineers do. This line is a good answer to that question. I usually say "scientists determine what is possible. Engineers make that possibility happen."
@@brett4264 Good on you, Brett! Lovely to know the do-ers of the world. I've always understood that the engineers of the world are the people who get infrastructure built and moving. Be keeping well!
Could you imagine how advanced we would be as a society if organizations like NASA didn't have to change their directive every 4 years with presidents. Being a huge Sci-Fi fan, I hate that the world's powers can come together to explore space and move humanity forward
If humanity had gone to space earlier, we'd be less advanced as civilization as it'd be a giant step backwards. We're further advanced because we didn't yet risk forwards-contamination (and thereby recklessly playing god) on ice moons or other celestial bodies as much.
@@avinashreji60 It does make sense absolutely (because it'd avoid an extreme crime), but given the contemporary sci-fi culture and ethical infancy of our civilization, it is understandable that it makes no sense to you currently without further explanation of why. It is not easy to explain it shortly and quickly, so I'd suggest searching for "Ethics on Cosmic Scale" to find an elaborate explanation for why this is the case. But in short, ethical maturity of a civilization is utterly incompatible with space settlements, expansion, colonization or even physical space exploration with probes because these can kick-start evolution with possibly billions of years of apocalyptic downstream consequences in which millions of species' animals were to dominantly be suffering, which is what according to scientific studies has been the case for wildlife on earth, which you can find out about on the "animal suffering" Wikipedia page in more detail.
Radiation is good for you though! It gives you superpowers! I watched this educational research video called "X-Men" and they explain it. Radiation sickness is just Soviet propaganda because they don't want us to get super powers.
Finding life on Europa would fundamentally change how we look for life throughout the universe. The whole concept of life only existing in the habitable zone would be thrown out the window, so would the concept of life only arising on planets, or on the surface, any solar system that had either planets or moons would be a potential candidate for more life. It would be earth shattering.
I seem to watch like 30 channels that talk about similar topics as this. I saw this and was kinda disappointed that I “had” to watch it. But then I saw it was from The Space Race and got excited. Love it!
Probably easier to sample the water plumes ejected from Enceladus, the moon around Saturn. Since there are already vents there and the condition for life are very similar to Europa, getting testing/sampling equipment into the ocean under the ice might be easier. We do live in exciting times. :)
yes, but Enceladus is a puddle, compared to abyssal depths of Europa. Also, the ocean of Europa is as old as the solar system, where life has had much more time to form, whereas the water under the southern hemisphere at Enceladus has only existed for a geological blink of an eye, compared to Europa's potential biodome.
im pretty there are quite a few sci-fi stories that address that. But all the "Europans" ive read about have been intelligent lifeforms that evolved on Europa, whereas humans are still considered to be "colonists" instead of actual Europans... Also, Europa is not the same as Europe lol
Getting starship working before it needs launching might happen. But there's no way they could get the clearance to launch something like clipper in such a short period of time. That being said I think people severely underestimate how much a functioning starship could manage. Assuming the refilling in orbit works, 100t to any orbit would change everything, and the reusability means you could hit literally ever launch window. It would stop being an issue of launch capabilities and become an issue of producing satellites to send.
They should take advantage of the Clipper space probe 🛰 and add an additional simple probe like the one that landed years ago on Titan. And that they send us some data as they do on Mars. They would make better use of the time and it would not be necessary to wait for 2050 to have some information about the place.
i just want to see that methan river as it flows, that would be breath taking so as europa and titan seeing water and ice on a foreign planet unbelievable mind blown moment
Europa would be great as a water source for colonies and space stations in the outer solar system which would make it easier to establish the colonies because there wouldn't be the issues of having a reliable water source.
This is good but we need to go a little further. How about using a lander but comes with its own ROV with cable attached to it to take video, pitchers, water samples. On the surface take samples too then send all info to a low orbit satellite going back to earth.
Oh I definitely think that we will find life on Europa! My thought is that it will be very large. Like prehistoric dinosaur large. 🦕 Living under the ice, subsisting on very low levels of light and heat generated by Jupiter's tidal pull and reflected light. I think that Europa's ice crusted Oceans contain an entire well developed biosphere of it's own.
@@xiphactinusaudax1045, we could both be right. Until we are able to go out there exploring, we can not say which of us will be correct. Be well until then.
And I hope that the Europa Clipper mission gets permanently abandoned soon enough before it becomes a forwards-contamination risk, which would be amongst the most serious of crimes, if evolution of life were negligently kick-started there by arrogant, naive, child-like immature people - scientists & engineers without ethicists by their sides - that lightheartedly, inconsiderately play with power far beyond their control.
I’m curious, with Europa tidally locked is there a region that is more shielded from Jupiter’s radiation? I’ve often fantasized that Europa could be a possibility for a human space outpost or even colony, but upon learning of the radiation situation in this video - that seems very unlikely without a shielded area and or crazy amounts of radiation shielding.
vodkaboy makes a good point. If we could figure out how to come and go through Europa's ice crust, to and from the ocean, and set up in the ocean, the radiation problem could be manageable. Gravity being low on Europa, the water pressure for any given depth there would be significantly less than on Earth.
Considering the constantly shifting surface, it's good news to hear there will be a colony there expert in building walls and embankments able to hold back ocean water from the settlements.
We really need to focus on keeping Earth liveable for a few more hundred years to give humanity a more realistic chance of developing the technologies required. Both interms of travel and simply existing on other planet for years. We are so far off. Sadly I think we are offering up ideas that aren't achievable as both a distraction AND justification not to put any effort into protecting Earth from becoming a toxic wasteland
As late as the 1960s scientist believed there could be life on Mars and Venus. This, of course, has been proven false (well, Mars is still a contender, but not by much). So now we've shifted our hopes further out in the solar system. Hope springs eternal. There may be life out there but, if it's intelegent it'll steer clear of people from Earth.
no matter ha harsh and tough the environment is, wherever we find a tiny amount of water, we find life on Earth. I have no reason to think that we find no life on Europa. And if I am wrong, that's exciting, too. Because how is life NOT there in all that water??
Starship isn't that far away. Every flight has been successful except the landing. If you launched like the SLS is designed and was expendable, then Starship has had 5 or 6 successful launches. It looks like FAA and the establishment is trying to slow them down though. I expect Starship to make orbit in 2022 and start launching sats.
Europa Report was the movie. It didn't end well 😄. I would be really surprised if it was fish or squid, although earths deep waters have surprised us before. Most likely some cells or other microscopic things floating about...
I don't expect life to be found. It's very cold, it will be very dark, and there may be little or no access to other elements (C, N, S, P) that are essential to life here. The processes leading to life will be vastly slower, even if the chemistry somehow allows it.
Life was technically found on Pluto, a giant vacuum looking specie, which didn't meet the characteristic of natural, chem-form/weather entities. After that sighting, Pluto freaked out and left with that big flee still on it 🐾🐾🐾🐾 back to exo solar orbit. Pehaps Europa will stay.
At first I was wondering how Grimes planned on getting into space when the most successful space agency on Earth is run by Elon and she broke up with him. But then I realized most people would jump at the chance to fire their Ex onto a one-way trip into the endless frozen void of deep space.
Actually, I wish NASA wouldn't have spent the money on this project and spent more on getting to Mars. Not with SLS though. Maybe the money should have been spent helping a decent private company to get to Mars. But if we're going, make two Mars clippers; one for Falcon heavy, and one for a future SLS type rocket. Let's have a race there.
This mission will be good for general information about Jupiter's moons. There's talks about potential colonisation of them yeeeears down the line. The info that's gathered will help our understanding of the moon's even more 🙂
Nonsense, it'd be a great relief if the moon Europa had no life. If life were there, that's what would be sad and disheartening for all those people that have empathy and care about the well-being of life, rather than just dry scientific curiosity.
You always need the outside the box thinker or the person who understands how the walls of the box works as if the box was made to hold more than its supposed to be able to but yet its light you see what i mean..? A cardboard box how its made its durability is outstanding but yet its light do they make rocket walls like this? Or they solid and insulated and solid again with air chambers to balance and shift weight or angle adjustment with water weight or even and aird angler thatd shfit the force direction without thrust or gas or feul. Water has electric ions or as whatever keeps it together in a liquid form use water from all around buid a turbine for it exactly and harness the water and the power from it. As well as air holes with air turbines inside to build a charge. And why cany we, say take a magnifying glass and the sun you focus the beam and its powerful so why not do it with solar panels for solar power magnifying its rays received and harness more power faster and continuously
If there is life on another planet then that means that the Bible (and God) is wrong, bc He details the process of His creation and it includes His creation of life on earth. Arent there ingenius ways to discover to supply the world's most needy the basics of life? Africa? India?
I'm all for exploring Europe, but we won't find any life there. Jupiter and all its moons are too far from the Sun to receive enough energy for supporting life. Life requires Starlight (infrared, ultraviolet) to thrive. Heat alone can not support life.
True, life on the sea floor does not receive direct sunlight. However, life on the sea floor gets its energy from oxygen in the water created by photosynthesis at the surface.
Do you think we'll find life on Europa? Let us know below!
I think so
We don’t know how life arose on earth, so it’s a complete guess if Europa has life.
Nope.
As you say, the ingredients are there (especially as water touches rock, unlike on/in Ganymede). Indeed, it would be a head-scratcher if we *didn't* find some kind of life there, especially as life arose on Earth *right* after it became possible, in geo-time.
No but I still hope so
"That's an engineering problem that can be overcome somehow, that's what engineers do" sums up pretty much the entire struggle of humanity.
I'm an engineer. People ask me what engineers do. This line is a good answer to that question. I usually say "scientists determine what is possible. Engineers make that possibility happen."
@@brett4264 Good on you, Brett! Lovely to know the do-ers of the world. I've always understood that the engineers of the world are the people who get infrastructure built and moving. Be keeping well!
“Before we can send lesbians to Europa…”
There’s a phrase I never expected to hear
Ditto
I think this and JUICE are the most important unmanned missions. We need to find what's under Europa's ice.
Hands down, this is one of the top space-related channels.
Could you imagine how advanced we would be as a society if organizations like NASA didn't have to change their directive every 4 years with presidents. Being a huge Sci-Fi fan, I hate that the world's powers can come together to explore space and move humanity forward
I can imagine that. It's how China does things and it's the reason why long term planning is actually possible for them.
If humanity had gone to space earlier, we'd be less advanced as civilization as it'd be a giant step backwards. We're further advanced because we didn't yet risk forwards-contamination (and thereby recklessly playing god) on ice moons or other celestial bodies as much.
@@eternisedDragon7 what? That made no sense
@@avinashreji60 It does make sense absolutely (because it'd avoid an extreme crime), but given the contemporary sci-fi culture and ethical infancy of our civilization, it is understandable that it makes no sense to you currently without further explanation of why. It is not easy to explain it shortly and quickly, so I'd suggest searching for "Ethics on Cosmic Scale" to find an elaborate explanation for why this is the case. But in short, ethical maturity of a civilization is utterly incompatible with space settlements, expansion, colonization or even physical space exploration with probes because these can kick-start evolution with possibly billions of years of apocalyptic downstream consequences in which millions of species' animals were to dominantly be suffering, which is what according to scientific studies has been the case for wildlife on earth, which you can find out about on the "animal suffering" Wikipedia page in more detail.
eterniseddragon7: So, pretty good mushrooms, then, eh?
ice work on this video! Never knew how deadly the radiation is around Jupiter.
The sun does produce more radiation, but around any of the planets Jupiter does have the highest. Small correction but still worth while I believe
Radiation is good for you though! It gives you superpowers! I watched this educational research video called "X-Men" and they explain it.
Radiation sickness is just Soviet propaganda because they don't want us to get super powers.
Finding life on Europa would fundamentally change how we look for life throughout the universe. The whole concept of life only existing in the habitable zone would be thrown out the window, so would the concept of life only arising on planets, or on the surface, any solar system that had either planets or moons would be a potential candidate for more life. It would be earth shattering.
It would be exciting it finding bacteria or fungus it intelligent life would really be mind blowing
I think it was Arthur C. Clarke who said something like, "We are alone in the universe, or we are not. Either way, the idea is staggering."
I seem to watch like 30 channels that talk about similar topics as this. I saw this and was kinda disappointed that I “had” to watch it. But then I saw it was from The Space Race and got excited. Love it!
Thanks for a cool video. Great job, as always
There must be life on Europa!
Love your videos, keep it up!
Great info, keep up the awesome videos!!
New to your channel. I just want to say i enjoy your content and presentation style.
Probably easier to sample the water plumes ejected from Enceladus, the moon around Saturn. Since there are already vents there and the condition for life are very similar to Europa, getting testing/sampling equipment into the ocean under the ice might be easier. We do live in exciting times. :)
yes, but Enceladus is a puddle, compared to abyssal depths of Europa. Also, the ocean of Europa is as old as the solar system, where life has had much more time to form, whereas the water under the southern hemisphere at Enceladus has only existed for a geological blink of an eye, compared to Europa's potential biodome.
If humans could have built a base on europa. Can ppl actually say "Hi, I am from europa. Not the continent. The Moon" xD
im pretty there are quite a few sci-fi stories that address that. But all the "Europans" ive read about have been intelligent lifeforms that evolved on Europa, whereas humans are still considered to be "colonists" instead of actual Europans... Also, Europa is not the same as Europe lol
I enjoyed your video...thanks
I wonder, if SpaceX will get Starship ready before the Clipper has launched, would it make it possible to get to Jupiter faster than in 6 years?
Yes.
Its launch day is the 10th october 2024
That could work
Getting starship working before it needs launching might happen. But there's no way they could get the clearance to launch something like clipper in such a short period of time.
That being said I think people severely underestimate how much a functioning starship could manage. Assuming the refilling in orbit works, 100t to any orbit would change everything, and the reusability means you could hit literally ever launch window. It would stop being an issue of launch capabilities and become an issue of producing satellites to send.
NOT my life time but….. I like you channel 😀
They should take advantage of the Clipper space probe 🛰 and add an additional simple probe like the one that landed years ago on Titan. And that they send us some data as they do on Mars. They would make better use of the time and it would not be necessary to wait for 2050 to have some information about the place.
It was much easier on titan tho because the atmosphere slowed the prob down, on Europa you would need lots of fuel to slow it down.
I live in Europe and there is life here.
I disagree
@@elterga6224 based
Heavily regulated life ;)
Not funny.
i just want to see that methan river as it flows, that would be breath taking so as europa and titan seeing water and ice on a foreign planet unbelievable mind blown moment
See, this is why we need Starship. IMAGINE the fast, hefty probe we could loft out there on one of those beasts!
finding Gungans on Europa would be pretty bombbad.
Well done.
Europa would be great as a water source for colonies and space stations in the outer solar system which would make it easier to establish the colonies because there wouldn't be the issues of having a reliable water source.
Wasn’t there a TV show or movie about the first human landing on Europa?
This is good but we need to go a little further. How about using a lander but comes with its own ROV with cable attached to it to take video, pitchers, water samples. On the surface take samples too then send all info to a low orbit satellite going back to earth.
Oh I definitely think that we will find life on Europa! My thought is that it will be very large. Like prehistoric dinosaur large. 🦕
Living under the ice, subsisting on very low levels of light and heat generated by Jupiter's tidal pull and reflected light.
I think that Europa's ice crusted
Oceans contain an entire well developed biosphere of it's own.
Why would it be large? My bet is single-celled organisms in the water
@@xiphactinusaudax1045, we could both be right. Until we are able to go out there exploring, we can not say which of us will be correct. Be well until then.
Cassini traveled through a plume that came from Saturn’s moon Enceladus. I hope the Europa Clipper does the same for Europa.
And I hope that the Europa Clipper mission gets permanently abandoned soon enough before it becomes a forwards-contamination risk, which would be amongst the most serious of crimes, if evolution of life were negligently kick-started there by arrogant, naive, child-like immature people - scientists & engineers without ethicists by their sides - that lightheartedly, inconsiderately play with power far beyond their control.
Radiation Zone
Dope
Have you seen Europa Report?👾
Intelligent fish.
Did Rebel Forces set up a base there?
Gotta send a probe droid to find out.
I’m curious, with Europa tidally locked is there a region that is more shielded from Jupiter’s radiation? I’ve often fantasized that Europa could be a possibility for a human space outpost or even colony, but upon learning of the radiation situation in this video - that seems very unlikely without a shielded area and or crazy amounts of radiation shielding.
Enceladus has no radiation
life still develop in radiated areas on Earth. also ice can shield parts of the radiations.
vodkaboy makes a good point. If we could figure out how to come and go through Europa's ice crust, to and from the ocean, and set up in the ocean, the radiation problem could be manageable. Gravity being low on Europa, the water pressure for any given depth there would be significantly less than on Earth.
Callisto is probably the best candidate for a Jovian outpost
That's what Engineers do 😎👏❤
That's what engineers shouldn't do, however, because it's a severe crime.
"Hmm, maybe we shall send a teslabot witha shovel and see what happends!"
Considering the constantly shifting surface, it's good news to hear there will be a colony there expert in building walls and embankments able to hold back ocean water from the settlements.
It depends. Is the water hyper saline?
Is there a carbon cycle?
We really need to focus on keeping Earth liveable for a few more hundred years to give humanity a more realistic chance of developing the technologies required. Both interms of travel and simply existing on other planet for years. We are so far off. Sadly I think we are offering up ideas that aren't achievable as both a distraction AND justification not to put any effort into protecting Earth from becoming a toxic wasteland
As late as the 1960s scientist believed there could be life on Mars and Venus. This, of course, has been proven false (well, Mars is still a contender, but not by much). So now we've shifted our hopes further out in the solar system. Hope springs eternal. There may be life out there but, if it's intelegent it'll steer clear of people from Earth.
no matter ha harsh and tough the environment is, wherever we find a tiny amount of water, we find life on Earth.
I have no reason to think that we find no life on Europa. And if I am wrong, that's exciting, too. Because how is life NOT there in all that water??
In one of your video's they said one day you can work on the moon? How would one get paid ? Would the moon Have it's own currency?
Starship isn't that far away. Every flight has been successful except the landing. If you launched like the SLS is designed and was expendable, then Starship has had 5 or 6 successful launches. It looks like FAA and the establishment is trying to slow them down though. I expect Starship to make orbit in 2022 and start launching sats.
Europa Report was the movie. It didn't end well 😄. I would be really surprised if it was fish or squid, although earths deep waters have surprised us before. Most likely some cells or other microscopic things floating about...
I don't expect life to be found.
It's very cold, it will be very dark, and there may be little or no access to other elements (C, N, S, P) that are essential to life here.
The processes leading to life will be vastly slower, even if the chemistry somehow allows it.
Passout
Wonder how lively things R on Amalthea?
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Life was technically found on Pluto, a giant vacuum looking specie, which didn't meet the characteristic of natural, chem-form/weather entities. After that sighting, Pluto freaked out and left with that big flee still on it 🐾🐾🐾🐾 back to exo solar orbit. Pehaps Europa will stay.
Can life keep evolving in Europa despite all the radiation emited by Jupiter???
Yes because the ice shield could safe them
At first I was wondering how Grimes planned on getting into space when the most successful space agency on Earth is run by Elon and she broke up with him. But then I realized most people would jump at the chance to fire their Ex onto a one-way trip into the endless frozen void of deep space.
Wish I could "like" this more than once! This'll have to do:👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
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Ever watch an ice fishing house or truck fall through ice.
I might be wrong but I'm sure they are lighter then space landers.....
Actually, I wish NASA wouldn't have spent the money on this project and spent more on getting to Mars. Not with SLS though. Maybe the money should have been spent helping a decent private company to get to Mars. But if we're going, make two Mars clippers; one for Falcon heavy, and one for a future SLS type rocket. Let's have a race there.
What’s a Mars clipper even going to do? Mar’s ice caps have been pretty thoroughly characterized.
This mission will be good for general information about Jupiter's moons. There's talks about potential colonisation of them yeeeears down the line. The info that's gathered will help our understanding of the moon's even more 🙂
What happens if we find nothing? Life elsewhere in the galaxy would seem less likely.
That would be good news for the better of all life in general.
we know there is water there. sometimes water erupts hundreds of kilometers high.
Octopus
By the time the lander gets there I’ll be dead.
Be assured that ethically speaking, the lander hopefully will never get there.
can we just set up somewhere else already 😔
25km is not 50 miles. Somewhere in this video the commentator mentions that!!!
Nonsense, it'd be a great relief if the moon Europa had no life. If life were there, that's what would be sad and disheartening for all those people that have empathy and care about the well-being of life, rather than just dry scientific curiosity.
I personally hope we don't find any life there. If we don't the probablity of us being on the right side of the great filter increases.
Why? It would be amazing to see fishes in different object than earth
I hope the Europians ask for our green cards
Because there isn’t, the great filter is behind us 😎😎😎🥵🥵🥵
You always need the outside the box thinker or the person who understands how the walls of the box works as if the box was made to hold more than its supposed to be able to but yet its light you see what i mean..? A cardboard box how its made its durability is outstanding but yet its light do they make rocket walls like this? Or they solid and insulated and solid again with air chambers to balance and shift weight or angle adjustment with water weight or even and aird angler thatd shfit the force direction without thrust or gas or feul. Water has electric ions or as whatever keeps it together in a liquid form use water from all around buid a turbine for it exactly and harness the water and the power from it. As well as air holes with air turbines inside to build a charge. And why cany we, say take a magnifying glass and the sun you focus the beam and its powerful so why not do it with solar panels for solar power magnifying its rays received and harness more power faster and continuously
It happends within 20 jears.
Of course it would be a game-changer to find ANY kind of carbon based reproducing slime.
the radiation belt around jupiter woul fry a chicken in 30 secs . no chance of life there
not under the ice shell
Crimes could fund her commune by selling video to men on earth.
If there is life on another planet then that means that the Bible (and God) is wrong, bc He details the process of His creation and it includes His creation of life on earth. Arent there ingenius ways to discover to supply the world's most needy the basics of life? Africa? India?
“All these worlds are yours except Europa. Attempt no landing there.”
Wat een ouderwetse techniek he in space het duurt 7 jaar om ergens te komen word het niet tijd voor iets nieuws en sneller
I'm all for exploring Europe, but we won't find any life there. Jupiter and all its moons are too far from the Sun to receive enough energy for supporting life.
Life requires Starlight (infrared, ultraviolet) to thrive.
Heat alone can not support life.
Go to 5:02. Life does not necessarily require light. The life on the ocean floor don't get star light.
True, life on the sea floor does not receive direct sunlight. However, life on the sea floor gets its energy from oxygen in the water created by photosynthesis at the surface.
Algorithms gods?
We need to stop saying that
Only Jesus Christ is God
I thought Jesus was the Son of God?
Stop being so literal.
Hahaha... you, religious zealots, crack me up. Have a sense of humor, my friend!
“All these worlds are yours, except Europa. Attempt no landing there.”
What.