The Z is a grand tourer compared to the gr86. The 85 is a far more "true" sports car in terms of weight, center of gravity, chassis rigidity etc. The Z is absolutely better when it comes to highway pulls so if that's your thing than ya definitely go for the Z.
Watching John Davis review cars on a weekend morning is a great thing! Still one of the best reviewers out there. I remember being glued to the TV as a kid when he reviewed the Typhoon, 92 Viper, CRX, 300ZX, etc…. So glad he’s still at it!
Thanks Mr. Davis! I've been enjoying your car review narrations since the late 80s as a little kid. Thanks for reviewing a true sports car that I hope to buy soon! :)
My heart always has a special place for that car! I used to own the first generation, and I miss it now! I wish I still have it today! It actually used to be the same color blue. That one looks stunning!👌🥰👍great job Toyota! Manual is the way to go with that beauty!
Enjoy them while we can because all we will have in a few years are … well as we do now…will be suvs .. I think here America we this need to sit up high for some reason.. haha I don’t get it
Looking trim and healthy John. Thanks for the decades of motoring journalism . I love this new GR86/BRZ really on the fence whether I will trade in my Gen 1 BRZ.
These engines are now underrated!! People are putting down 220whp on a dyno. I’ve even seen 222whp from a GR86. That means it’s making roughly 250hp, which is neck & neck with the 2.0L Supra 4-cylinder that makes 255hp.
Roebling is actually a great track for momentum cars like these, not sure why they think it “chews up low horsepower rides”? My 2013 FRS was extremely quick there
Great handily car but they need to solve the engine problem. My Son had a 17 and I got the opportunity to drive it at Sebring. Of course it was a blast to drive, handled like a go cart.
i wish they made that black strip on the trunk into a long brake light strip the brz is my dream car rn but as someone that commutes to school in NY it might not be the best option for me rn
John Davis must be 112 years old by now. Not that there is anything wrong with that just saying. I remember being little and watching Motor Week with him it was really cool because they are based in the semi DC area where I grew up.
I only wish Toyota used one of their own powertrains in it to distinguish more from the BRZ. Even when Fiats partnership with Mazda to develop their own 124 based off of the Miata they used their own powertrain. Toyota could have used their own A25A-FKS 2.4 used in the Camry.
@@valeriafitzgibbon3879 Putting a longitudinal version of the 2.5 from the Camry would be just fine mated to a 6 speed manual. No need to put a turbo on it.
I'm Intrigued by these, I'm probably going to go test drive one, but I already own a current Miata Rf as my daily driver, which does everything these do and gets 10 mpg better mileage. The biggest benefit of this being when I go autocrossing I wouldn't have to drive on my race tires too and from the event, as the gr86 has room to throw them in the back. Well, maybe someone at my autocross club is going to pick one up and then I'll see if they will let me take it for a spin.
@@mikea5205 yep, with the 6-speed manual and a limited slip, as you should spec them (IMO), it's a little riot. It's the most fun you can have and still make more than 34 mpg, and without landing yourself in goto jail speeds. Shame they didn't get the stick for their test of the 86, but I've watched a few and it sounds like it is quicker than my miata, I just want to see if it translates to autox times. Also it is fun to see them slide the car all over the place in video as they got the base model which doesn't have the summer tires.
@@jkwyx8290 Mostly highway and back roads, but some city, too. It's around 40 mpg at 75 mph on a level grade. It's just a matter of keeping the engine load down. If there's some eunuch in a CRV leading a parade in front of you, anyway, might as well light-foot it. Light up ahead red? Coast up to it, no sense in racing to a stop. Open onramp? Well, that's when you use full load. It's about 1-2 mpg better than my Focus ST averaged for mileage. Would be nicer if it ran on 87, though! Or had a taller 6th gear.
"Subaru and their BRZ" .....it's a joint effort Subaru builds the platform but it was designed and the suspension settings tweaked by Toyota along with the multi-port injection on top of the boxer motor🤔
This thing did 6.3 0-60 and a 14.6 at at 97 mph which is a very high trap speed and in an automatic..these things are faster manual there not like the mustangs and stuff that are faster auto..this means expect a 5.9 second 0-60 and 14.-14.3 quarter with the manual and a similar trap speed.....when's the last time anyone seen a naturally aspirated automatic 4 banger put down these numbers ? I have never
@@naturalgainzzz7005 The 2000 Celica GTS had similar or slower trap speeds, but it only had 180hp. Weight is a major factor concerning trap speeds. Modern cars today are much heavier with all the extra luxury and safety features.
Ummm, not that affordable. The fuel tank is 13.2 gallons... Combined EPA 25MPG... so assuming you drive gently like you're doing an EPA test everywhere you go, you have a range of 330 miles before you have to put another tank of PREMIUM GASOLINE into it. That's $63 where I live in Texas. $63 every 330 miles??? If you drive fast, it gulps the gasoline down much faster.
@@bloominguez so it's a flat 4 vs an inline 4. The Celia was rear drive for the first three generations. You must absolutely hate the new BMW Supra then
@@RomanJockMCO Good point, I forgot about the RWD Celicas, gotta go way back for those. I loved the old Celicas, I'd like to see that nameplate return. I'm sure nowadays they wouldn't rust through in 3-5 years like the old ones. I just don't think this is that car. ....... As for the BMW Supra I don't love it or hate it, I *nothing* it. No feeling whatsoever. I don't buy cars with automatic transmissions. I hear they may come out with a manual for the BMW Supra, but even so I doubt I'd want one. I've hit my lifetime quota of BMWs--disposable cars, you never know what will break next. (I know, supposedly Toyota helped develop a more reliable car--I'm still skeptical.) I love the way they drive (or at least I did, my last one was a 2009) but I'd take a BRZ/FRS/86/GR86 over a BMW in a heartbeat.
@@bloominguez You say that you'd like to see the Celica nameplate return; so would I. If they can resurrect the Supra nameplate on a BMW, then it's not a stretch to see Celica on the GR 86, or the 86 before. Although to be technical it should be affixed to the rump of the 4-cylinder Supra since the Supra was originally a longer 6-cylinder version of the Celica, but I digress. I've never owned a Bimmer though I almost bought a 335i coupe back in 2007. Unfortunately no manual was available and i didn't have time to order one. Friends have had them and they have earned a reputation for falling apart after the warranty expires - though one has a '95 540i that she refuses to part with and still going after 280000 miles. I love manuals as well and looking to add a CT5-V Blackwing next year. Unfortunately I feel that the manual will be extinct in the next five or so years. Buy them while you can. Peace
MW reports real-world values, not fake-o math adjusted figures where if the weather was more ideal it could, theoretically, get the number. Just the real deal.
@@MrCarguy427 its very fun. it corners very well, picks up very quick, responsive throttle, nice shift feel. it is impossible to not have fun in this car slow or fast.
it's nice but 10k more than a hybrid mini pick up from Ford that seats more comfortably and has utility and better mpg I know no one is cross shopping these two vehicles but just brings to light 30k not that cheap for a small kinda quick small coupe!
Who the hell buys a car like this and gets an automatic? They shouldn't even offer it. Learn to overcome your fear of the scary clutch pedal or go buy a wrong wheel drive beater with 100hp and a CVT.
@@samiis1260 - actually Toyota's idea. Basically, they somewhat strong-armed Subaru into developing the car by buying part of their shares and using one of their cars (extensively altered) as a proof-of-concept.
For everyone questioning why it has an automatic option, ya'll do know the automatic has paddle shifters right? It's as automatic as your average modern day supercar/hypercar.
Ok Slow down there dude, The 6 speed auto in this car is Nothing Even close to a Dual clutch or PDK. Its not terrible, but for $30k its not going to be as fast shifting as a more expensive transmission
It's still too small and under-powered and a non-starter without either AWD or a larger engine as options. It appears they are catering to a crowd that prefers to buy used, which is a bad business model. Acura did the same with the Integra and how did that work out for them? I've bought quite a few Subarus brand new and always go with the most powerful engine, and almost every option. In other words, I am who they should be catering to and they simply aren't anymore. They haven't since they discontinued the Forester XT. In addition to the XT, they discontinued my SVX and WRX five door. They now have nothing in the lineup that is even remotely interesting to me. My Forester XT currently has just under 65k miles and will most likely be replaced with something Korean. They still care about performance instead of sticking their fingers in their ears after a decade of hearing the same thing. MORE POWER
Though rated at 228 hp, dyno tested cars by owners reveal this car is actually putting out over 250 hp. That's plenty hp for most people and also considering the light weight of the car. Any more power (300+) would put the price out of the range of its targeted buyers and too close to the new base Nissan Z. Motorweek acceleration runs are much slower than what car magazines achieve. They are timing it closer to the mid 5 second range. I believe because they don't rev the engine and dump the clutch. There's also a saying that it's a lot more fun driving a slower car fast than it is driving a faster car slow.
Obviously you don't autocross or hit the track enough to enjoy lightweight, naturally aspirated cars. Old NA, RWD cars are appreciating at an insane rate since with the oncoming push of EV's, people have been realizing how special they are. If you want an awd turbo, go spend $50k on an Audi.
@@nateTrh You guys sound like people defending horses when automobiles first came out. If you want it to be around for a third generation Subaru needs to get honest about why it doesn’t sell and correct them. You’re stubbornly advocating for its extinction. 1) It’s too small and impractical. Keeping the same style but 2% longer with almost all of that extra 3.4 inches going to rear passenger leg room so actual humans with legs could use them would correct that. 2) It’s under-powered. The FA24 engine WITH the turbo would correct that and improve the power to weight ratio. 3) It’s a one trick pony. Offering AWD would make it a much better all-around package. 4) It doesn’t offer good bang for the buck. Doing any other the first three would correct that, OR make it cheaper. If it is sold with the assumption that you will “Build it yourself,” like many claim, it should be priced accordingly. Otherwise a WRX is a better option which is why they've sold 8 to 1 since 2015. Subaru even failed to produce a compelling BEV. The Solterra is slower and has worse range than AWD EV6, ID.4, Ioniq 5 and Mach-E. I like Subaru, but they have got to do better.
@@Noah_E For starters, you have to understand how economics work in the car industry. Companies don't invest in sports cars anymore because their platforms are one offs that don't sell well. The Miata by your book has always been underpowered, slow, and has no utility yet its the best selling sports car ever. All the other Subarus and and the Hyundais you talk about are just hopped up economy cars with garbage suspension geometry for real racing. Again, the car isn't for you because you obviously don't autocross or track your cars to enjoy something like it to the fullest extent. I'm not saying that modern cars that are super fast and spacious arn't nice, they're great dailys and I'd love to commute everyday in something like an M3 or S4. The reason I own an S2000 though is because older cars feel more connected and raw and give you a driving experience that isn't numb and neutered like 90% of modern cars. If you want a WRX, then get a WRX. The 86/BRZ serves a different market and isn't meant for you.
Like this car a lot. But its not really all that cheap. For only 1 or 2 grand more I can get a base 370Z. The outgoing Z model is TONS more sports car, gobs more power, bigger wheels, brakes, better seats, more body bracing, just in entirely different class. If the GR86 was cheaper than It would be the answer to our prayers, a small cheap, reliable fun car... but at very nearly 370Z price it take a lot away from it.
Outgoing Z model like you've mentioned is in an entirely different class --> Muscle car. These Zs does not handle and deliver the same type of driver dynamics the current 86 does.
After all these years it's still exciting to hear John Davis's voice.
Makes me feel like a kid again.
I'm glad he's still doing his thing.
The Z is a grand tourer compared to the gr86. The 85 is a far more "true" sports car in terms of weight, center of gravity, chassis rigidity etc. The Z is absolutely better when it comes to highway pulls so if that's your thing than ya definitely go for the Z.
@@farhan007 you replied to a comment instead of the main section. Just fyi.
I was thinking how I enjoy that they have the same commentator that they did when I was a kid shopping for CRXs back in 1989!
He's been doing it since 1981!
@@cargueone1971 I would have been a kid then (19)..He' Irreplaceable!
He perfected the weird-orange-tan game well before #45 ever did…
The best automotive presenter of all time. He’s like the David Attenborough of cars.
You're old. I feel old and i was born in the 90s.. I imagine how you must feel
Respect to John! In my eyes, the first car reviewer before RUclips or Top Gear. Glad to see he's still doing this!
John Davis is MotorWeek the reason i watch
Thx u for all these years
Wish guys the best
Just picked up my Neptune Blue MT GR86 on Saturday. Couldn’t be happier. Only driven 50 miles so far, but wow!
Great color!
Awesome! I have a neptune blue stick base model on order, can't wait! How do you like it so far??
Watching John Davis review cars on a weekend morning is a great thing! Still one of the best reviewers out there. I remember being glued to the TV as a kid when he reviewed the Typhoon, 92 Viper, CRX, 300ZX, etc…. So glad he’s still at it!
every one of these is a gift to the world. if you are reading this, go buy one. we need a lot of these on the used market to play with.
why don't you buy one new then..
@@H4zZ4rDGaming1 while i'm at it i'll just go buy a mansion and a yacht too since it's just that easy
@@jordanimatedstreaming just seems a bit entitled to tell people to buy such and such a thing just so the used market has them later
Thanks Mr. Davis! I've been enjoying your car review narrations since the late 80s as a little kid. Thanks for reviewing a true sports car that I hope to buy soon! :)
My heart always has a special place for that car! I used to own the first generation, and I miss it now! I wish I still have it today! It actually used to be the same color blue. That one looks stunning!👌🥰👍great job Toyota! Manual is the way to go with that beauty!
My dream car, looks beautiful and great to drive
Greetings to Mr. John Davis. One of the best announcers in the field of cars. I wish him good health
An affordable reasonably priced fun car with moderate HP….good job Toyota!
Aren't these Subarus?
@@jamesvelvet3612 Yes, the BRZ and the GR6 are co-developed by Subaru & Toyota.
Enjoy them while we can because all we will have in a few years are … well as we do now…will be suvs .. I think here America we this need to sit up high for some reason.. haha I don’t get it
Looking trim and healthy John. Thanks for the decades of motoring journalism . I love this new GR86/BRZ really on the fence whether I will trade in my Gen 1 BRZ.
One local dealer has a BRZ, with a $5,000 'market adjustment'
These engines are now underrated!! People are putting down 220whp on a dyno. I’ve even seen 222whp from a GR86. That means it’s making roughly 250hp, which is neck & neck with the 2.0L Supra 4-cylinder that makes 255hp.
Yes but the 2.0 supra is also underrated
thank you so much for coming back for this short visit.
Thank you Mr. John Davis.
It does not matter which car review I watch of you, love your classic well spoken reviews.
Stay healthy.
🙏🙏🙏
Roebling is actually a great track for momentum cars like these, not sure why they think it “chews up low horsepower rides”? My 2013 FRS was extremely quick there
I would like to take my 16 FRS out there what does it cost for a track day?
@@ICEDJM PCA groups are usually about $400 for the weekend with 1 day options as well
Only 0.3 behind the 350z in the quarter. Pretty impressive.
Great handily car but they need to solve the engine problem. My Son had a 17 and I got the opportunity to drive it at Sebring. Of course it was a blast to drive, handled like a go cart.
i wish they made that black strip on the trunk into a long brake light strip
the brz is my dream car rn but as someone that commutes to school in NY it might not be the best option for me rn
I thought to myself I’d have to cover it up with a body-colored wrap.
One of the best sports cars out there.mx5 gr86 z supra brz are legends
This is going to be a big seller, I mean how do you not go for something like this over say a 3 series?
Because in the 3 series you have a usable back seat?
Yeah it reminds me of when the Hyundai genesis coupe came out an automotive rebirth
Poor Man's Supra! So Cool, Love It!
LOL @ keep the good times coming… because keep the good times rolling is trademarked.
The 1.6T from the GR Corolla would be 👌
Yes mines is coming in
Was gonna purchase one as a weekend fun car. Then inflation happened. Oh well🤷♂️
Great review, Thanks for sharing!
Billy D
Wish they'd offer it with a targa and a Toyota engine.
What "interesting" gas engine does Toyota offer? LOL
@@oambrosia 300 hp. 1.6lt. turbo going in the GR Corolla.
@@jimthumerzs2301 Fair...but then the car would have to be re-engineered.
GR-86 = GREAT 6 (seconds to 60 MPH)!!
I bought a '22 BRZ and i love it.
John Davis must be 112 years old by now. Not that there is anything wrong with that just saying. I remember being little and watching Motor Week with him it was really cool because they are based in the semi DC area where I grew up.
I’m sure they will put this motor in the is350
Nice care, I wonder what the dealers are actually selling these gems for?
I only wish Toyota used one of their own powertrains in it to distinguish more from the BRZ. Even when Fiats partnership with Mazda to develop their own 124 based off of the Miata they used their own powertrain. Toyota could have used their own A25A-FKS 2.4 used in the Camry.
The 86 would 'delight' me a lot more with a Toyota engine.
Truth!
You got a craving for reduced power and wastegate issues?
@@valeriafitzgibbon3879 Putting a longitudinal version of the 2.5 from the Camry would be just fine mated to a 6 speed manual. No need to put a turbo on it.
@@trevagraham1605 that was a rhetorical statement but yeah
@@trevagraham1605 the 2.5 would be heavier
Looks really fun to drive
Yes! Manual is faster
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I'm Intrigued by these, I'm probably going to go test drive one, but I already own a current Miata Rf as my daily driver, which does everything these do and gets 10 mpg better mileage. The biggest benefit of this being when I go autocrossing I wouldn't have to drive on my race tires too and from the event, as the gr86 has room to throw them in the back. Well, maybe someone at my autocross club is going to pick one up and then I'll see if they will let me take it for a spin.
Does your Miata have the 181 hp? If so I bet it's an absolute blast to drive as it's about 300 lbs lighter than this GR86.
@@mikea5205 yep, with the 6-speed manual and a limited slip, as you should spec them (IMO), it's a little riot. It's the most fun you can have and still make more than 34 mpg, and without landing yourself in goto jail speeds.
Shame they didn't get the stick for their test of the 86, but I've watched a few and it sounds like it is quicker than my miata, I just want to see if it translates to autox times. Also it is fun to see them slide the car all over the place in video as they got the base model which doesn't have the summer tires.
@@SpookyFubuki I'm getting 30-33 mpg in my MT GR86, so the mileage isn't far off. Dynos are also showing the 2.4 is underrated.
@@mitchkelleher7972 how?! Mostly highway driving?
@@jkwyx8290 Mostly highway and back roads, but some city, too. It's around 40 mpg at 75 mph on a level grade. It's just a matter of keeping the engine load down. If there's some eunuch in a CRV leading a parade in front of you, anyway, might as well light-foot it. Light up ahead red? Coast up to it, no sense in racing to a stop. Open onramp? Well, that's when you use full load. It's about 1-2 mpg better than my Focus ST averaged for mileage. Would be nicer if it ran on 87, though! Or had a taller 6th gear.
Is this a joke that the press car is an automatic?
Sign of the times... I can't Stand driving automatics. my Prelude, CL type S, Legend all manual.
After driving stick shift cars for years myself, an automatic is much easier to drive. If you want to shift, get a motorcycle like I do
@@busman7228 An automatic is easier to drive only if you don't enjoy driving manual.
"Subaru and their BRZ"
.....it's a joint effort Subaru builds the platform but it was designed and the suspension settings tweaked by Toyota along with the multi-port injection on top of the boxer motor🤔
Toyota did with this car what Acura couldn't and failed miserably with the new Integra.
It doesn’t deserve the name
@@cornishhen6799 Exactly.
Uh O! I may have to get one! Used of course
And the 1.6 L gazzoo racing motor with 260 HP??🤦♂️
This thing did 6.3 0-60 and a 14.6 at at 97 mph which is a very high trap speed and in an automatic..these things are faster manual there not like the mustangs and stuff that are faster auto..this means expect a 5.9 second 0-60 and 14.-14.3 quarter with the manual and a similar trap speed.....when's the last time anyone seen a naturally aspirated automatic 4 banger put down these numbers ? I have never
Manual can do a 5.4s 0-60 and a 13.9s 1/4 mile as tested by car and drive, that is seriously fast for “228” hp
Maybe the Honda S2000 or a Prelude Type S from the early 2000's had trap speeds like that.
@@moeschizlac 14.7 to 14.9 at 96 mph...similar or slightly slower..this GR ain't no slouch
I'm assuming you'll probably have to abuse the clutch to get those faster times. I'd probably only do it once or twice 🤣
@@naturalgainzzz7005 The 2000 Celica GTS had similar or slower trap speeds, but it only had 180hp. Weight is a major factor concerning trap speeds. Modern cars today are much heavier with all the extra luxury and safety features.
Ummm, not that affordable. The fuel tank is 13.2 gallons... Combined EPA 25MPG... so assuming you drive gently like you're doing an EPA test everywhere you go, you have a range of 330 miles before you have to put another tank of PREMIUM GASOLINE into it. That's $63 where I live in Texas. $63 every 330 miles??? If you drive fast, it gulps the gasoline down much faster.
It is a sports car, not a Prius.
@@inomad it is marketed as an affordable sports car... which it is not
@@MartinGalway Please name a more affordable new sports car then. Other than the Mx5, there is none.
13.2 tank is pretty standard for a car that size and the gas mileage is not great but the overall range isn't too bad.
Why was this filmed in 1998?
My exact car, same color and everything
Edit: mine isn't auto
Dont you miss driving a Mitsubishi ?
0:36 wtf is this music. Anyway great video, love the car.
watch it in 240p and it looks like a video from the 90's
It's a great car for 'Soccer Moms'. LOL!
Too bad I live in new England. Can't have a rear wheel drive in the winter.
I wish they would just call it a Celica.
Good call
Yeah, because nothing says "Celica" like "flat four engine," "rear wheel drive," and "built by Subaru."
@@bloominguez so it's a flat 4 vs an inline 4. The Celia was rear drive for the first three generations. You must absolutely hate the new BMW Supra then
@@RomanJockMCO Good point, I forgot about the RWD Celicas, gotta go way back for those. I loved the old Celicas, I'd like to see that nameplate return. I'm sure nowadays they wouldn't rust through in 3-5 years like the old ones. I just don't think this is that car. ....... As for the BMW Supra I don't love it or hate it, I *nothing* it. No feeling whatsoever. I don't buy cars with automatic transmissions. I hear they may come out with a manual for the BMW Supra, but even so I doubt I'd want one. I've hit my lifetime quota of BMWs--disposable cars, you never know what will break next. (I know, supposedly Toyota helped develop a more reliable car--I'm still skeptical.) I love the way they drive (or at least I did, my last one was a 2009) but I'd take a BRZ/FRS/86/GR86 over a BMW in a heartbeat.
@@bloominguez You say that you'd like to see the Celica nameplate return; so would I. If they can resurrect the Supra nameplate on a BMW, then it's not a stretch to see Celica on the GR 86, or the 86 before. Although to be technical it should be affixed to the rump of the 4-cylinder Supra since the Supra was originally a longer 6-cylinder version of the Celica, but I digress. I've never owned a Bimmer though I almost bought a 335i coupe back in 2007. Unfortunately no manual was available and i didn't have time to order one. Friends have had them and they have earned a reputation for falling apart after the warranty expires - though one has a '95 540i that she refuses to part with and still going after 280000 miles. I love manuals as well and looking to add a CT5-V Blackwing next year. Unfortunately I feel that the manual will be extinct in the next five or so years. Buy them while you can. Peace
Wow more than a second quicker in an auto...now that's note worthy....now a day pricing about 5k over sticker price?
This weekend a salesman in Louisiana told me they’re asking $2k over MSRP right now.
What's the big deal about a plastic fuel door? All vehicles have lots of plastic these days.
Not on fuel doors ;-)
no turbos????
The skin of the 86 GR looks similar to the original from 2013.
Have a similar helmet as this driver. Doubt it’s the exact same, but maybe.
i have yet to put the GR badge on the back of my platform.
New Name Same Game
Motorweek keeping up the tradition of having the slowest 0-60 and 1/4 mile times in the auto journalism industry…..🤨 🤔 🤦♂️😒
Their test car was an auto. 6.3 isn't bad at all for an auto. I think Toyotas claim was 6.6.
This car is a base model with hard tires and an automatic transmission. Times seems spot on for this variant.
MW reports real-world values, not fake-o math adjusted figures where if the weather was more ideal it could, theoretically, get the number. Just the real deal.
South Florida dealers asking almost $40k out the door 😓
WE LOVE YOU JOHN DAVIS ❤️
Is the Scion now defunct?
Since 2016.
I own one and it is better than you think it is
Is it fun to drive? I used to have a cayman and looking to get back into an affordable fun car
@@MrCarguy427 its very fun. it corners very well, picks up very quick, responsive throttle, nice shift feel. it is impossible to not have fun in this car slow or fast.
Still slower than a BMW 335i from 15 years ago.
These shouldn't be offered with an automatic. I know why they do offer it, but they shouldn't.
Only way they will sell significant numbers. Not to me or you, but for a lot who just want s sporty looking car or have bad knees etc
it's nice but 10k more than a hybrid mini pick up from Ford that seats more comfortably and has utility and better mpg I know no one is cross shopping these two vehicles but just brings to light 30k not that cheap for a small kinda quick small coupe!
And also fucking impossible to find . Dammit
Not out until later this year
@@Cavemol5823 your trolling right ? You can get it now . lol
What the hell is Toyota doing sending an automatic to test?
Perfect car for those Asian guys who can't afford a new BMW Supra.
Why the automatic😭
Or is it pronounced, great 6?
It looks like an upscale Prius. No thanks! I'd buy a Chevy Camaro instead of this thing.
...then you're not the cars customer and nothing lost...
Still looks better than The New Camaro
They looks fun! I want it! Lol
With a tune I'm sure you can get 250hp on these cars witch is what it should have been stock but for insurance reasons im sure the hp had to stay low
Insurance is still crazy so I can see it
It's actually underrated and producing 250+ hp already :)
It's putting down 215 @ the wheels so it does make about 250hp
@@DankSi im talking brake horse power not at the crank
I had no idea 2022 GR 86 was released in the 90s.
17 inch wheels in 2022?pfft my 2005 daily RSX does 0-60 in 6.2
Yeah but it's front wheel drive. Ew
Kind of looks a little like a Nissan 350.
Finally
Who the hell buys a car like this and gets an automatic? They shouldn't even offer it. Learn to overcome your fear of the scary clutch pedal or go buy a wrong wheel drive beater with 100hp and a CVT.
Affordable 2 dr RWD sporty vehicle and its Toyota!
Its a Subaru though.
@@samiis1260 - actually Toyota's idea. Basically, they somewhat strong-armed Subaru into developing the car by buying part of their shares and using one of their cars (extensively altered) as a proof-of-concept.
Why make a 2door sport car when no one buys them?
Nobody buys them? They are sold out already.
@@billybones2385
But, they said 2 door sports cars don't sell......
Hey Mitsubishi 👋🏾 how about a new Eclipse 😑 no freaking cross thing
I miss those :(
For everyone questioning why it has an automatic option, ya'll do know the automatic has paddle shifters right? It's as automatic as your average modern day supercar/hypercar.
Lol um, NO.
Ok Slow down there dude, The 6 speed auto in this car is Nothing Even close to a Dual clutch or PDK. Its not terrible, but for $30k its not going to be as fast shifting as a more expensive transmission
Gross
14.6sec 1/4mile. 😂😂😂
Still slow when compared to a Camry V6 that can do 0-60 mph in well under 6 seconds.
but who wants to drive a camry
@@xXxUrbanNinjaxXx Families. Must be embarrassing to get beaten by a family sedan.
@@KP-xi4bj I don’t own one 🤷♂️ and plus if I had my family in my car I sure wouldn’t be racing and putting them in danger.
@@xXxUrbanNinjaxXx That's what crumple zones and airbags are for.
@@KP-xi4bj extremely true friend
So as tested it's .3 sec slower then the sti
Indeed. Plenty of videos of manual GR86s keeping up with stock STis, at least from a roll.
Looks like it cost $20k
You can't even buy a crappy Civic for 20K.
too bad they made it pretty ugly the last gen looks alot meaner
It wouldn’t cost much to add a V6 and AWD to make a serious sport coupe, but it would cut into Lexus RC territory.
If you want that, might as well get a Camry - this is for powerslides!
That's not at all what this car is about. Never has been, never will be.
It wouldn’t cost $30k if you add a V6 and AWD. And besides Toyota has this car it called the Supra
@@infidel900rr better that V6 engine supercharged into rear mid engine sports car. Say Lotus Evora.
it would add a ton of cost to do that.. like 8000 dollars more, easily
Looks cheap.
It's not suppose to look expensive
@@Indifference2000 mission accomplished.
It's still too small and under-powered and a non-starter without either AWD or a larger engine as options. It appears they are catering to a crowd that prefers to buy used, which is a bad business model. Acura did the same with the Integra and how did that work out for them? I've bought quite a few Subarus brand new and always go with the most powerful engine, and almost every option. In other words, I am who they should be catering to and they simply aren't anymore. They haven't since they discontinued the Forester XT. In addition to the XT, they discontinued my SVX and WRX five door. They now have nothing in the lineup that is even remotely interesting to me. My Forester XT currently has just under 65k miles and will most likely be replaced with something Korean. They still care about performance instead of sticking their fingers in their ears after a decade of hearing the same thing. MORE POWER
Though rated at 228 hp, dyno tested cars by owners reveal this car is actually putting out over 250 hp. That's plenty hp for most people and also considering the light weight of the car. Any more power (300+) would put the price out of the range of its targeted buyers and too close to the new base Nissan Z.
Motorweek acceleration runs are much slower than what car magazines achieve. They are timing it closer to the mid 5 second range. I believe because they don't rev the engine and dump the clutch.
There's also a saying that it's a lot more fun driving a slower car fast than it is driving a faster car slow.
Next time they design a new car better get Noah’s ok first guys. Otherwise you will make him upset. Sounds like a 5 year old.
Obviously you don't autocross or hit the track enough to enjoy lightweight, naturally aspirated cars. Old NA, RWD cars are appreciating at an insane rate since with the oncoming push of EV's, people have been realizing how special they are. If you want an awd turbo, go spend $50k on an Audi.
@@nateTrh You guys sound like people defending horses when automobiles first came out. If you want it to be around for a third generation Subaru needs to get honest about why it doesn’t sell and correct them. You’re stubbornly advocating for its extinction. 1) It’s too small and impractical. Keeping the same style but 2% longer with almost all of that extra 3.4 inches going to rear passenger leg room so actual humans with legs could use them would correct that. 2) It’s under-powered. The FA24 engine WITH the turbo would correct that and improve the power to weight ratio. 3) It’s a one trick pony. Offering AWD would make it a much better all-around package. 4) It doesn’t offer good bang for the buck. Doing any other the first three would correct that, OR make it cheaper. If it is sold with the assumption that you will “Build it yourself,” like many claim, it should be priced accordingly. Otherwise a WRX is a better option which is why they've sold 8 to 1 since 2015. Subaru even failed to produce a compelling BEV. The Solterra is slower and has worse range than AWD EV6, ID.4, Ioniq 5 and Mach-E. I like Subaru, but they have got to do better.
@@Noah_E For starters, you have to understand how economics work in the car industry. Companies don't invest in sports cars anymore because their platforms are one offs that don't sell well. The Miata by your book has always been underpowered, slow, and has no utility yet its the best selling sports car ever. All the other Subarus and and the Hyundais you talk about are just hopped up economy cars with garbage suspension geometry for real racing. Again, the car isn't for you because you obviously don't autocross or track your cars to enjoy something like it to the fullest extent. I'm not saying that modern cars that are super fast and spacious arn't nice, they're great dailys and I'd love to commute everyday in something like an M3 or S4. The reason I own an S2000 though is because older cars feel more connected and raw and give you a driving experience that isn't numb and neutered like 90% of modern cars. If you want a WRX, then get a WRX. The 86/BRZ serves a different market and isn't meant for you.
Like this car a lot. But its not really all that cheap.
For only 1 or 2 grand more I can get a base 370Z. The outgoing Z model is TONS more sports car, gobs more power, bigger wheels, brakes, better seats, more body bracing, just in entirely different class.
If the GR86 was cheaper than It would be the answer to our prayers, a small cheap, reliable fun car... but at very nearly 370Z price it take a lot away from it.
40k in Australia, it is cheap for you.
Yeah wait and see what the new Nissan Z will cost, base model will be $40k. INFLATION. So now your looking at $30k vs $40k.
Outgoing Z model like you've mentioned is in an entirely different class --> Muscle car. These Zs does not handle and deliver the same type of driver dynamics the current 86 does.
@@shinn43 A Z, is not muscle car but a sports car.
@@elizabethmiller7918 Its a japanese muscle car
This car has had more name changes than Prince and Puff Daddy 😐
mo powah babee
Why can’t Toyota integrate the screens into all their dashes like this instead of those ugly stuck-on displays.
I do like this car, but Toyota still makes me shake my head. Neither the Supra or GR86 have a toyota built engine. Just off.
Who makes the gr86 motor? Do you think this car will have “Toyota reliability”?