@GinoJerry86 This is a boat engine. Marine engines use water to cool the exhaust gasses. Raw water is taken from the outside and pumped directly to an exhaust elbow and mixed with it to cool and to dampen the noise. That is why you see the water in the exhaust.
I like what u did. I have several marine cummins layin in my garage. After watchin your vid I got fired up and emptied the two car shop so I could get to my motors. I wil fire them up and respond in two weeks after p7100 pumps are cleaned and bench tested.
The water in the exhaust is the waste from a heat exchanger. The water is sucked from under the boat and taken to a heat exchanger which is like the radiator on your car but instead of air rushing through it to cool the antifreeze, it uses water. There is a closed cooling system filled with antifreeze on the engine like in a car and it runs through the heat exchanger and transfers the engine heat to the seawater that runs through the other side of the exchanger.
That's a beaut rebuild. No surprise if the first start is a bit cranky. I want a bigger diesel now, I miss our Cat D8 with donkey engine starter. Sounds great!
@urbex2007 It doesn't have huge holes in it- it's a cotton gauze filter. It's designed for this type of application and as long as the media isn't damaged it can be cleaned and reused indefinitely.
FYI - 1) Diesel engine (high) main bearing pressures on starting are unaffected by installation, and only increase by less than a singular factor under full load. 2) The correct start procedure for a new (or rebuilt) h.s. diesel engine is to have first greased the mains etc. with pre-lube (maybe you did) and then ENSURE the engine starts immediately and evenly by doing a fully pressurised (forced) bleed. Piece of cake with the Bosch style pump. Larger engines pressure pre-lube.
because on marine engines the header is cooled by a water jacket, otherwise it would glow orange. So typically the seawater runs through a heat exchanger, and then passes through an exhaust manifold, which is called a riser, then is dumped in to the same exhaust pipe where it return to the ocean.
I am a diesel fitter, used to work on the big leyland and gardner engines, after rebuild it was quite normal to sit there with the throttles wide open until you got the fuel up then they would pick up one cylinder at a time etc often a couple of mins tho even with that.
Glad you didn't doctor the video, and then us gear heads can follow the progression and cycle timing. The others are right, there ought to be a way to bled out the air from the fuel lines before running the starter so long. Had a Dodge Dakota 5.2L v8, obviously Chrysler. Changed the fuel filter routinely running the vehicle from age 12-16, the last 80K of the 220K life - gasoline engine. There was a way to depressurize the fuel rails. If I recall correctly, it was removing the starter relay. Then cycling the ignition which bleed the fuel out of the rails/line and I wouldn't get soak with gas when removing the filter. I think there's a pre-start phase where the fuel rail / lines are pressurized before turning over all those cylinders to otherwise the injectors are shooting blanks blasts of air rather than diesel fuel. So, otherwise the A/F ratio is sky high and you don't have sufficient fuel for combustion. Which in a diesel engine, it's an explosion, rather than a rapid burn in the gasoline (Otto cycle) engine. Within the gasoline engine there is a flame front that propagates from a point of ignition to the furthest extent the fuel resides. Imagine being in a coal mine where the air is saturated with coal dust because the ventilation system failed or is undersized. At a certain coal to air ratio the density is potent enough for a point of ignition, from flipping a defective switch. Then watch out. In your case, you're cooling cylinders that aren't firing. In your initial 179 seconds, you're running a large air compressor than leaks.
No, they actually need to be painted in layers of different colors with varying protection values. Red has to go on first, followed by white and then finally all the paint must be stripped off and left to nice shiny bare metal.
the 12v's use a throttle control valve, the 24v's use an , and its electrical, the newer QSB's are also electronic, and don't have a "throttle", but that model year if i remember was throttle cable driven.
I love that sound, I've been on a transportship that has a Cummins V12 (size was about 2 times bigger than this engine) but that sound was really great! also electric started:)
I'm the father in question so maybe I can answer . The engines were marine engines , both had been overheated and were cores. They needed many new parts,like turbos , manifolds, wiring harnesses, most internals etc. ,not to mention the machine work. It was fun but didn't save much money really.
Marine engines draw water (for cooling) from the body of water they are in (in this case, a hose). Once it is circulated, it gets dumped out of separate channels along the exhaust.
All inboards typically are freshwater cooled, using exchangers to cool off the coolant, then the seawater is run through the headers, and then through the riser where its then dumped into the exhaust pipe, this is the only way to drop the pyro temps, ANY mechanic who works on marine engines knows that, the exception are stacked ships, where the seawater isn't mixed, but rater sent overboard, when the exhaust pyro temps drops to a safe level.
Miss building these, although i never built a 6bt for marine app, Used to build 6btaa with side mount turbo. In addition to the colour questions white was marnie, red or tan for automotive and also they did green reconditioned engines.
You have to prime the fuel system and injectors if they are dry (ran out of fuel, never been filled with fuel, or opened to air), all other times it's just turn key and go.
It's a marine engine. The cooling water, after going through the heat exchanger etc. , exits with the exhaust , mixes downstream. of the turbo, in the elbow.
@HeresJamesPrice dont know where you got your information from but you are incorrect sir. the water in the exhaust is because the engine is cooled using raw water (ocean or sea water) from a pickup in th boat and it goes out the exahust to cool the exhaust and the exaust sometimes goes into the ocean water to disperse.
275hp RV injectors reduced the ETC engine's 0-60 time from 17 sec. to 14.5 sec. Available from TST. Available from Cummins - BOSCH part# is 0 432 193 635, cost is $80 each plus shipping, instructions are not included. Installation time: aproximately 1 to 4 hrs. depending on experience (it's not difficul
The startup rig was made from an engine shipping pallet that I added wood blocks to , to lag screw the mounds to. Not really sturdy but with no real load on the engine it worked OK. That's one of the reasons I didn't open the throttle to bleed it, I was a little afraid it would rev quickly and come loose
in the US we tend to use a wet exhaust system, because it works very well, it is the only way to cool down exhaust, especially coming from diesel engines, where pyro temps are usually 500 degrees hotter then in a gasser. Cummins Mercruiser, like Crusader use freshwater cooling, with a heat exchanger, like i said earlier, maybe i didn't make my self clear enough?? I am a diesel mechanic, i work on diesels, and ive been around enough CAT and QSB's, Detroit's to draw circles on most people.
@GinoJerry86, the reason water is coming out the exhaust is because its a marine engine, they pull water from the lake, river, or ocean and after the water passes through the block to cool it, it exits out the exhaust back into the water. i dont know were this other guy got his info, either he has no idea what he is talking about or he is screwing with you.
I'm curious to why so much liquid (water?) is coming out of the exhaust. Is that because of perfect combustion? It's obviously a diesel so most likely perfect combustion, I'm just amazed I've never noticed a truck disposing of so much liquid.
Thanks for the comment! History is the kinematic mechanism of existing structures. Our engines are smaller but more powerful and more efficient. Live is life, and develop internal combustion engines. Also change and fuel - would rather use hydrogen. The future is coming with us! Kolev Motors Varna / Bulgaria
And your video is , where? BTW, the starter never got hot, had lots of time to cool off but was edited out of the video. Not so sure I agree about the main bearings...Did you notice it's not actually installed in the boat in the video?
I would love to, but i'm over 4000 miles away :D I have to say, i am a cummins lover. And even if they rev high, those are very reliable engines (for what i have read^^)
did you bleed the system? it sounds like this guy didn't bleed the system, and instead is just running the starter until the air cycles out of the system. But that ain't a VP44, it looks like an older 12v P7100IP pump on that engine, so it doesn't as much damage to run it dry like it does in the VP44's
Hi, Thanks for the video. Is that a 6BTA? I was that engine in a 33' Deltastar. I have two problems I could use some help with. The batteries will not start charging till I rev it up to 2000. The alternator has been checked... Also it is very hard to start, I just fixed the a wiring problem which didn't help but the engine isn't firing up for about 10-15 secs. Any ideas or tips? Thanks
Wait, if internal combustion is history, but you say that its still used but refined and more efficient, so its not history just more advanced right? I mean with higher fuel injection pressures on diesels, it makes them more efficient right, sorry if this doesnt sound right im new to diesel
Was that built out of a 5.9 L found in dodge trucks. Your dad most likely used preium rebuild kit parts for a marine application. That looks like a mechanical fuel system right?
Hi! We've shot the footage of the first trip of this season. I just need to edit the footage. Thanks for showing interest. I'll start editing right now.
from the sea water pump is their any were that i could hook up a wash down hose before the water enter the engine to cool it without affecting the cooling of the engine
Hey, prime the fuel pump, ensure the glow plugs are heating up then crank the engine in 3 seconds interval. You might burn up the starter and costly repair.
@ GinoJerry86 estemotor es posible que sea utili8sado para una planta de energia ...el diseño del turbo de este motor es de refrigerasion por agua de ahi dela carcasa de escape del turbo debe ir una mangera asia un radiador mas grande que evite el recalentamiento.
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I'm 22 now but diesels still sound just like when i was a kid....nice song for my ears:)
Always nice to hear the great 12 valve 5.9L straight block million mile cummins engine. there no another to compare.!
The sound of those takes me back to my teen years when out family had a Silverton with 2 Cummins. Great vid!
@GinoJerry86
This is a boat engine. Marine engines use water to cool the exhaust gasses. Raw water is taken from the outside and pumped directly to an exhaust elbow and mixed with it to cool and to dampen the noise. That is why you see the water in the exhaust.
you have to be proud of your dad !! - that some cool boat and engines.
I like what u did. I have several marine cummins layin in my garage. After watchin your vid I got fired up and emptied the two car shop so I could get to my motors. I wil fire them up and respond in two weeks after p7100 pumps are cleaned and bench tested.
I plan to repower my Sea Ray 340 Sundancer with Diesel when the time comes. Thanks for the vid. Was very interesting.
The water in the exhaust is the waste from a heat exchanger. The water is sucked from under the boat and taken to a heat exchanger which is like the radiator on your car but instead of air rushing through it to cool the antifreeze, it uses water. There is a closed cooling system filled with antifreeze on the engine like in a car and it runs through the heat exchanger and transfers the engine heat to the seawater that runs through the other side of the exchanger.
Cranking is just good , i love it . Rebuild engines always takes forever to start the first times
That's a beaut rebuild. No surprise if the first start is a bit cranky. I want a bigger diesel now, I miss our Cat D8 with donkey engine starter. Sounds great!
@urbex2007
It doesn't have huge holes in it- it's a cotton gauze filter. It's designed for this type of application and as long as the media isn't damaged it can be cleaned and reused indefinitely.
Ahh okay. I've only ever heard of cummins in trucks and transport trucks. Thanks for the help!
Great running Cummins! Sounds great!
FYI - 1) Diesel engine (high) main bearing pressures on starting are unaffected by installation, and only increase by less than a singular factor under full load. 2) The correct start procedure for a new (or rebuilt) h.s. diesel engine is to have first greased the mains etc. with pre-lube (maybe you did) and then ENSURE the engine starts immediately and evenly by doing a fully pressurised (forced) bleed. Piece of cake with the Bosch style pump.
Larger engines pressure pre-lube.
damn that sounded nice when u put the camera by the exhaust pipe, great job
love the sound of a Cummins👌
I can say just 3 words: BIG, loud, powerful. :) Nice work!
Youand your father did quite well my friend. a job well done. 5 stars
Nice! I see a good number if Bertrams here on Lake Michigan. Their quality built.
because on marine engines the header is cooled by a water jacket, otherwise it would glow orange.
So typically the seawater runs through a heat exchanger, and then passes through an exhaust manifold, which is called a riser, then is dumped in to the same exhaust pipe where it return to the ocean.
I am a diesel fitter, used to work on the big leyland and gardner engines, after rebuild it was quite normal to sit there with the throttles wide open until you got the fuel up then they would pick up one cylinder at a time etc often a couple of mins tho even with that.
man I love the sound of deisel in the morning. I cant wait to work on highway and off road deisels.
Glad you didn't doctor the video, and then us gear heads can follow the progression and cycle timing. The others are right, there ought to be a way to bled out the air from the fuel lines before running the starter so long. Had a Dodge Dakota 5.2L v8, obviously Chrysler. Changed the fuel filter routinely running the vehicle from age 12-16, the last 80K of the 220K life - gasoline engine. There was a way to depressurize the fuel rails. If I recall correctly, it was removing the starter relay. Then cycling the ignition which bleed the fuel out of the rails/line and I wouldn't get soak with gas when removing the filter.
I think there's a pre-start phase where the fuel rail / lines are pressurized before turning over all those cylinders to otherwise the injectors are shooting blanks blasts of air rather than diesel fuel. So, otherwise the A/F ratio is sky high and you don't have sufficient fuel for combustion. Which in a diesel engine, it's an explosion, rather than a rapid burn in the gasoline (Otto cycle) engine. Within the gasoline engine there is a flame front that propagates from a point of ignition to the furthest extent the fuel resides.
Imagine being in a coal mine where the air is saturated with coal dust because the ventilation system failed or is undersized. At a certain coal to air ratio the density is potent enough for a point of ignition, from flipping a defective switch. Then watch out. In your case, you're cooling cylinders that aren't firing. In your initial 179 seconds, you're running a large air compressor than leaks.
@jac70j
No glow plugs in a 6BT. It has a grid heater.
Its a 12v Cummins Marine, so its water cooled. Hence the water hose connected to it.
No, they actually need to be painted in layers of different colors with varying protection values.
Red has to go on first, followed by white and then finally all the paint must be stripped off and left to nice shiny bare metal.
the 12v's use a throttle control valve, the 24v's use an , and its electrical, the newer QSB's are also electronic, and don't have a "throttle", but that model year if i remember was throttle cable driven.
@ilovegoatsecks It's supposed to since it's a marine engine. Water is run through the exhaust to keep them cool.
I love that sound, I've been on a transportship that has a Cummins V12 (size was about 2 times bigger than this engine) but that sound was really great! also electric started:)
even if your a seasoned engine builder you still do a lil happy dance when she fires
that is a nice set up for a 33'
I'm the father in question so maybe I can answer . The engines were marine engines , both had been overheated and were cores. They needed many new parts,like turbos , manifolds, wiring harnesses, most internals etc. ,not to mention the machine work. It was fun but didn't save much money really.
Marine engines draw water (for cooling) from the body of water they are in (in this case, a hose). Once it is circulated, it gets dumped out of separate channels along the exhaust.
Nice engine great sound. Took a bit to get her going but it sound like she will purr for a very long time.
Very nice sound on that Cummins :-)
I know nothing about marine engines but it's impressing, there's a lot of water :S
All inboards typically are freshwater cooled, using exchangers to cool off the coolant, then the seawater is run through the headers, and then through the riser where its then dumped into the exhaust pipe, this is the only way to drop the pyro temps, ANY mechanic who works on marine engines knows that, the exception are stacked ships, where the seawater isn't mixed, but rater sent overboard, when the exhaust pyro temps drops to a safe level.
Miss building these, although i never built a 6bt for marine app, Used to build 6btaa with side mount turbo. In addition to the colour questions white was marnie, red or tan for automotive and also they did green reconditioned engines.
@Superiorpakfan It's a Cummins 6BT, better known as a B series. Where I work, we have several small buses with this engine.
It is a Marine Diesel. Water is used to cool the exhaust manifolds.
You have to prime the fuel system and injectors if they are dry (ran out of fuel, never been filled with fuel, or opened to air), all other times it's just turn key and go.
@RocketRodder Yes, normally both engines are used at the same time.
@GinoJerry86 it is a engine for a boat, its cooled with water
Appreciate the response.. but it's kind of hard to believe it would take that long for the fuel to get to the injectors.
Anyways, thank you.
its a 5.9 5.7 cummins c series i think a great engine ive had the pleasure of buildin a few simple and bullet proof as with any mechanical engines
Very nice .. would love to see the boats they where in stalled in ... and do you use a smaller diesel engine for a generator?
It's a marine engine. The cooling water, after going through the heat exchanger etc. , exits with the exhaust , mixes downstream. of the turbo, in the elbow.
Can't say I like the Martha Stewart white paint job you got going on there.
cummins 6bt...best engine ever freakin built
@HeresJamesPrice
dont know where you got your information from but you are incorrect sir.
the water in the exhaust is because the engine is cooled using raw water (ocean or sea water) from a pickup in th boat and it goes out the exahust to cool the exhaust and the exaust sometimes goes into the ocean water to disperse.
Very nice. Whats this engine's governed speed just out of interest?
275hp RV injectors reduced the ETC engine's 0-60 time from 17 sec. to 14.5 sec.
Available from TST.
Available from Cummins - BOSCH part# is 0 432 193 635, cost is $80 each plus shipping, instructions are not included.
Installation time: aproximately 1 to 4 hrs. depending on experience (it's not difficul
Nothing beats a hummin' Cummins! Love that sound. What are the horsepower and torque ratings of this particular power plant?
@crazydiesellover yes, its got a marine cooling package on it.
Thanks. You should hear it in person.
The startup rig was made from an engine shipping pallet that I added wood blocks to , to lag screw the mounds to. Not really sturdy but with no real load on the engine it worked OK.
That's one of the reasons I didn't open the throttle to bleed it, I was a little afraid it would rev quickly and come loose
in the US we tend to use a wet exhaust system, because it works very well, it is the only way to cool down exhaust, especially coming from diesel engines, where pyro temps are usually 500 degrees hotter then in a gasser.
Cummins Mercruiser, like Crusader use freshwater cooling, with a heat exchanger, like i said earlier, maybe i didn't make my self clear enough??
I am a diesel mechanic, i work on diesels, and ive been around enough CAT and QSB's, Detroit's to draw circles on most people.
@GinoJerry86, the reason water is coming out the exhaust is because its a marine engine, they pull water from the lake, river, or ocean and after the water passes through the block to cool it, it exits out the exhaust back into the water. i dont know were this other guy got his info, either he has no idea what he is talking about or he is screwing with you.
we rebuilt the thame engine 6BT5.9-n
best regards from germany
I'm curious to why so much liquid (water?) is coming out of the exhaust. Is that because of perfect combustion? It's obviously a diesel so most likely perfect combustion, I'm just amazed I've never noticed a truck disposing of so much liquid.
Thanks for the comment!
History is the kinematic mechanism of existing structures. Our engines are smaller but more powerful and more efficient.
Live is life, and develop internal combustion engines.
Also change and fuel - would rather use hydrogen.
The future is coming with us!
Kolev Motors
Varna / Bulgaria
@D13fledermause To my knowledge they are not sold white.
And your video is , where?
BTW, the starter never got hot, had lots of time to cool off but was edited out of the video. Not so sure I agree about the main bearings...Did you notice it's not actually installed in the boat in the video?
Nice sound! But why use a Cummins in a marine application? What size vessel are yo putting it in?
Both engines were installed last year and have been working flawlessly. Thank you for your interesting comments.
I'm not sure why there is water being expelled from the exhaust pipe. Is it condensation? Other wise five stars!
hmm.. look similar to a 5.9 liter cummins. Is it? Nice running engine
sounds and looks really nice!
I would love to, but i'm over 4000 miles away :D
I have to say, i am a cummins lover. And even if they rev high, those are very reliable engines (for what i have read^^)
@caddy52 Diseal engines dont have spark plugs .They Have Glow Plugs
We checked it several times and it remained cool. The rest periods are also edited out of the video.
@scott93257 Thank you for the compliments. I appreciate all technology.
he was priming the fuel , did you see him turning the injectors has to be done on every first start if its a diesel
It is a 330b diamond series. The hp rating is only 315 hp. If u need advice on injectors just tell me what u got or buy diesel power magazine.
did you bleed the system?
it sounds like this guy didn't bleed the system, and instead is just running the starter until the air cycles out of the system.
But that ain't a VP44, it looks like an older 12v P7100IP pump on that engine, so it doesn't as much damage to run it dry like it does in the VP44's
This is a marine engine so yes it uses a heat exchanger and then raw water to cool the system.
nice video, 5.9L 12 valve?
thats such an amazing sound...!
very nice job can i put that in my dodge. if they are twin screws does one turn backwards . ford did that with there fe motors (427 marine).
Hi, Thanks for the video. Is that a 6BTA? I was that engine in a 33' Deltastar. I have two problems I could use some help with. The batteries will not start charging till I rev it up to 2000. The alternator has been checked...
Also it is very hard to start, I just fixed the a wiring problem which didn't help but the engine isn't firing up for about 10-15 secs. Any ideas or tips? Thanks
I love all the comments regarding the engine leaking, its a marine engine, its supposed to have water exiting from the exhaust you dummies.
Where can I find a heavy duty starter like that?
Great video, nice to see them come alive like that, hows the VT 555 compare to the 6?
Wait, if internal combustion is history, but you say that its still used but refined and more efficient, so its not history just more advanced right? I mean with higher fuel injection pressures on diesels, it makes them more efficient right, sorry if this doesnt sound right im new to diesel
Starts like a Cummins !
that starter took a beating
Sounds super
There are no glow plugs on a Cummins B series engine, instead it has a intake grid heater.
Was that built out of a 5.9 L found in dodge trucks. Your dad most likely used preium rebuild kit parts for a marine application. That looks like a mechanical fuel system right?
fuel wasnt reaching the injectors yet, it takes a while for the air to pass through and suck the fuel through.
is that a 5.9L? its sweet lookin with that paint job, but cummins red would have been better ha
You wouldnt have vids of the Bertram would you? I love to see it! Thanks.
Hi! We've shot the footage of the first trip of this season. I just need to edit the footage. Thanks for showing interest. I'll start editing right now.
this is the engine that the dennis dart pointer has
Is the water because marine engines get their "coolant" directly from the water? I don't know anything about them but thats my guess
from the sea water pump is their any were that i could hook up a wash down hose before the water enter the engine to cool it without affecting the cooling of the engine
Hey, prime the fuel pump, ensure the glow plugs are heating up then crank the engine in 3 seconds interval. You might burn up the starter and costly repair.
@ GinoJerry86 estemotor es posible que sea utili8sado para una planta de energia ...el diseño del turbo de este motor es de refrigerasion por agua de ahi dela carcasa de escape del turbo debe ir una mangera asia un radiador mas grande que evite el recalentamiento.
did that engine just piss it shelf ? lol .great vid ,love diesels power !
Is that a Cummins 5.9? I have that same Engine in my Dodge 2500, great Engine