Star Citizen is Almost Mainstream
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- Star Citizen is currently free to play during it's Invictus Launch Week event. It also just got its biggest update ever and it's shockingly... playable? Lets check it out.
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I wonder how many backers have died of old age during the development of this game.
They owe something to the backers about to die. 1 vertical slice where we can have a ship, board another , and go back to base to sell it fkr parts after a successful dogfight , boarding . But nooooo. SERVER MAYSHEEE
No different than any other game out there. Most games have 6 years of development.
@@MidnightWolfSDJits been 12 already XD
@@speky5777 cuz SC is more ambitious.
@@MidnightWolfSDJ ambition is one thing. CIG has done a lot of work in moving game tech forward but they are not just an R&D company. CIG is not and cannot be like Valve in this regard.
As it stands, no game that has been stuck in development hell for this long has ever been commercially or critically successful.
We are in Duke Nukem and Dikatana ranges now.
This game needs tons of ai roaming around, going after their business, working, committing crimes, getting in a police chace etc. Imagine this game, at this scale but with GTA like liveliness.
they have their galaxy simulator that does all that ready to hook up to the game once the server meshing etc is all working. They have problems with server load with the amount of NPCs they have now, adding in more before server meshing would actually finish the servers off entirely lol.
@@Oxley016 yeah I know. Still, I’m curious if AI crowd will eventually live up to the rest of the galaxy simulation
Really hope so 🙌🏼🔥
Gta did this right and its 11 years old I hope CIG manages to at least pull this off.
@@guynamedmaggi5520 GTA is singleplayer and 0.00001% of the scale
This game is not ready for us to show our friends unfortunately there's way too many bugs. That's what I fear when there are free fly events because we are invested in the game we put up with the bugs but trying to show this game to people who don't know anything about it turns them off
I hear ya. Every time I've tried to show this game to family or friends, I make a fool of myself.
@@stevet2037wait until 4.0 for server meshing. That’s what you need to wait for
@@stevet2037you said it! It sucks because we know the vision and are invested, but it’s so hard to get friends to play. My coworker will not play with me until the game is in a much better place.
I'm pretty sure space travel will be readily available in real life before Star Citizen is "ready".
Yeah its hard sometimes when shit dont work but when it does man. Fucking had so many good times this path with buds who just picked it up and were warned in advance.... Knowing workarounds is a necessity but not for everyone sadly. I cant eait for them to get to a point they start making everything butter smooth its gonna be great
I started with SC one year ago. After about 80 hours I decided it was best visited every 6 months or so. 4.0 will be my next visit and I’m happy to be along for the ride.
this is what I did at the beginning, 12 years ago. every year, then 2 years then.. I stopped with realisation that I have been scammed. 12 years and look at gui, star map, those ridiculous keybindings, not bringing older ships (we all got as old backers) up to date but releasing new ones instead. money grab with great promise.
What sucks are the resets. It feels like I need to do 40 hours of grinding after a particularly bad one before I can do what I want to do with what I want.
Well there’s always finding friends who have the ships who are willing to share
@@uss_04 the Star citizen comunity can be very friendly, back when i was looking to possably pledge the Constellation Andromeda, I asked around if any one owned one and if they would let me fly and play with it to see if it was truely what i was after, they did, and they even gave me pointers on what should be upgraded for its systems when I did If i Did buy it, Well 200$ later im a Happy owner of a Constellation Andromeda and I coulden't have done it with out the help of that man
@@Radical_MiddleYou pledged to an unknown project and then act surprised & say you've been scammed? Do you know how life works yet? Lmaooo
@@Empty12345 You literally have no idea what you're talking about, lol. Embarressing.
"if", "when" and "potential" are doing a lot of heavy lifting in this video tbh :P
Their back must HURT!
As they have since 2011 and will for a decade or more to come.
That's SC in a nut shell. These fans are really trying to justify that half a billion dollars they gave to this game..... and its not even out yet.
They promise the moon, and they can't even give a date, a year at the very least. GTA 6 has, its coming out in 2025.. Let that sink in, RockStar, with a year less then the guys making Star Citizen, released RDR2 AND GTA 6 before SC is even out of Alpha.
@aaronlaughter6471 yeah these ppl are coping real hard that a release window of like 2027 when their kickstarter promised 70 solar systems when it took 11 to get 2 even if Pyro releases this year
LevelCap in 30 years: "Star Citizen is finally in beta testing. It is really fun and almost ready!"
💀 I really hope this doesnt age well
Well it is the game I look forward to play in retirement. So another 20 years of development would be no problem for me. :D
@@guynamedmaggi5520 the last seven years he said it didnt! it's obvious the guy has stock options in CIG or something
It's already fun.
"Sc just received a MONUMENTAL patch. This is gonna be HUGE!"
You could make a drinking game out of every time you said massive
Or ”jank”
Do you want people to die of alcohol poisoning? :O
Millennial language. Nuf said..
I walked down my ships ramp and died. I'll give it another go in a year.
yeah, I check it out every year and see how long I last before ragequtting. It's come pretty far since the early days
Skill issue. Learn to walk.
Bought in with the titan avenger package yesterday. Was in the tutorial where I had to land my spaceship at a space station. Servers went haywire that I crashed into the space station. I relogged in 5 mins later with cs1. Luckily I asked global chat if someone would send me 20k to clear it and was able to.
It's been like that for 12 years. If you look at their track record, you'll have to wait another 12 for it to MAYBE be playable.
It’s sad that people let one bad thing happen and they immediately bail. Like give it a few days of play before just giving up. I know it can be frustrating at times but mixed in with the frustration is some of the best experiences i have ever had in a video game (and I’ve played a lot of video games).
I recently came across a free fly player, who joined the game for the first time from games like Tarkov. It took us over an hour to get off planet due to bugs, failures, or other crashes and issues. Until server meshing is complete, and these bugs and de-sync can be resolved, its nkt ready. He wasnt very pleased eith his experience.
It’s a shame they have to chase the money so much as I always feel these free flies give a terrible impression of the game.
It’s literally showing people the game at its worst and asking them to chip in
Funny how this never happened to me in 3 years of playing.
@@henryvaneyk3769 funny how player experiences are different based on your systems specs.
To be honest, even with server meshing, there are still going to be bugs like that based on the user's systems and specs. That is an inevitability of a project of this scale.
@@henryvaneyk3769 Exactly a lot of people here saying they cant even get out of hangars and yet summ1t and other streamers are doing 10h streams without major breaking bugs, this comments are all bunch of dissinformation or just trolls.
This is the best the game has ever run for me. Ive tried several free fly events over the last year or two and its always been laughably bad. Like, half the time I didnt even make it to the hanger, bad. But this event has been a blast for me. I havent run across any game breaking bugs. I enjoyed it so much I actually bought a starter ship.
It'll be a bumpy road for you. You'll be heartbroken that such an amazing game can be so unstable.
I expect many many issues to pop up for the upcoming release of the server meshing framework.
When they make changes to the game that deep it becomes less "no refueling pads work on Daymar" and more "any player with one of the new hairstyles is now account-corrupted and it will take us a few weeks to fix it".
@@vorpalrobot He literally just said he played it before and now its good but you have to throw his excitement in the trash because you are a hater.
@@realWorsin nah I'm being honest. Are you telling me there isn't a star citizen honeymoon period? It's a story I've heard seen and experienced many times.
lots to do in the game at the moment but nearly none if it works,
1. Cargo sometimes doesnt spawn ( takes credits and doesnt give you anything )
2. Some ships wont power on leaving you stuck in the drivers seat with no choice but to altf4 the game and reclaim the ship
3. Characters stuck holding items in hand leaving you to have to hold back space and die
4. ships not spawning in hangers
5. heart rate bugging out sitting at 190bpm constantly so not being able to run, slowly losing health and dying
6. larger ships not being able to dock and undock then getting the ship inpounded becuase your in the way because you cant undock
7. elevators bugging in ships causing you to be stuck under them
8. clipping through ships and stations causing you to be yeeted into space and dying
9. falling through your ship while in QT forcing you to just sit in the chair the whole trip
10. hanger doors not oppening but looking like they are open so you drive your ship straight into the door and it explodes
11. being stuck in a seat forcing you to have to alt f4 the game and reclaim the ship
12. stuck in ship beds with only option given to log off, so having to have someone come and blow the ship up just so you can get out
and these are only the bugs ive seen the few hours ive played since the last patch
it can take hours just to succesfully do anything, witch is a pitty as when its all working its absolutly brilliant
Come on, it's an early access only 12 years in the making, what do you expect?
CIG needs to understand people are getting less patient with buggy broken games. They should really start working towards better servers if they want to bring in more players. I’m hoping server meshing is that “savior” patch.
Agreed. They keep trying to tell us that it's in alpha and to expect bugs (which is ok I guess), but they're marketing and advertising the game as if it's live with more ship sales, suit, ship, and weapon cosmetics, and worrying so much about concurrent player counts. They need to focus more on stability and bugs, which will prevent the player base from logging off and waiting for the next patch to see if anything got fixed.
Tried saying it was a live service game and "game dev is hard" which definitely didnt help their case😂especially with newer fans and the term "live service game" never ends well
Replication layer separation has already done A LOT of heavy lifting from what the servers were prior to its release, server meshing will undoubtedly expound upon that with multiplicative effects. After both are out they can focus on optimization and refining of them. The fact that its stated the next major update after 4.0 will be the potential 1.0 is beyond insanity, but well see. A lot of the core tech is already in, things are looking great, it needs a lot of polishing but itll get there.
Server meshing needs to be night and day compared to what it is now otherwise it will feel and play terribly no matter how cool the content and game mechanics end up being.
it is, once its fully implemented AND optimized, basically CIG needs to balance our experience vs server costs, if its not optimized it means more servers will need to be spooled up essentially for no reason, so they need to balance and optimise this, though many factors to eg how many players can play together and interact in a area is also client side limited, eg what can your GPU handle, so other optimisations are needed engine side as well to get the full benefit out of the server meshing, so the bulk of the benefits wont be seen for probably another 2-3 years.
As someone that has been playing for a long time... This "game" is not ready for the masses at all.
There is literally nothing that isn't broken in some way.
And hte bugs range from wasting hours of your time to literally bricking your acc, so you have to reset or wait for the next patch.
Also, performance is not good and with the free flight, the lag and desync is insane.
Only way to actually play this is if you are already heavily invested in the project and know something about every broken system, feature and bug.
Man, same here, I don't understand what these content creators are saying, I have been backing and playing SC regularly in the last 10 years and I can tell you this patch is broken as F***.. 3.22 was in a far better state.
The server lag is also massive
I am agree with you, everything is broken in the same way then years before. Ok starmap works better than previous one. MM for me looks more arcade, but need to play more to have a final opinion about that.
Yes, but yesterday I could play for two hours straight. Was awesome :)
But that was my longest playtime in the past two weeks, rest is very buggy and laggy.
But now I delivered boxes for two hours, I am now officially earning money! (Then a box was bugged and couldn‘t be delivered and bugged me between the wall and a deliver box machine wirh no way out…)
Server lag will always be worse during Invictus and IAE events due to the massive wave of players. However, from an average player’s experience throughout Invictus so far (no I am not a content creator), the server performance has actually been a bit better for me than previous events. I’m not saying it was performing great. I’m simply saying that my overall experience so far has been better than previous free fly events.
The game still has a very long way to go, and that is a fact. Take this info for what it’s worth.
Average Star Citizen enjoyer: "Just bought my 10th ship with real money and couldn't be happier aimlessly flying it around for another 300 hours."
Star Citizen devs and marketing: "Good, gooood! Our marketing leaders have ordered us to prepare another batch of ships for you to buy. Be ready to be amazed."
Most players put such a considerable amount of time in the game that buying some ships to enjoy further is actually better value than buying multiple other games
star citizen contractors: "Someone bought a new ship? New dev hired"
I play with a friend who got me into star citizen. He was desperate to have someone reliable to play with him that he went out of his way and actually bought ME the game with a starter ship!
When i started browsing the pledge store I was in awe at the prices specialy those of the standalone ships! 450€ for a Reclaimer?! WTF?!
Average SC hater: 🧠🤏
Scam Citizen
content creators can have a VERY negative effect in SC considering that SC is an open development. I am so worried of it becoming more and more popular.
lol gatekeeping SC is wild
@@foxfire1112 I think he means its not good for it to become to popular atm. The game is still a horrendous, buggy, mess, and it will turn a lot of people off from the game for good.
NEXT PATCH CULTIST
@@maxmoanz6561 First impressions are hella important my friends laughed at this game and just unistalled it and said I got robbed.
@@maxmoanz6561 i mean that I dont want to shround arcade fanboys in SC influencing the decisions of the devs in SC. As simple as that.
to be honest levelcap , i tried going to the expo center from invictus day 1 aka the 17th , and got periodic 10 - 15 secs freezes every 2 minutes . got me so worked up i ended up alt f4
Nah.. ill pass. Here is my issue. I kid you not.. i JUST got an ad for this game. Generally you do an AD for a finished game.. last i heard (and played a couple months ago) this was an alpha.. so what does this mean? This means they are trying to draw people in to buy more ships.. nothing else... you dont draw eyes to a bug filled alpha.. unless you need more money.
Advertising the game isn’t a problem, its a great way to draw players in and generate revenue. The problem is How CIG is advertising the game as finished, stable, working features with awesome missions (and sliding which isn’t even in the game yet?tf?XD) that are complete able and consistent. The fact CIG are stuffing new ships down throats instead of fixing major issues is very enlightening. A major issue seems to be their testers and the Evo Cati (early testers who can directly report bugs in new features) are so invested in the game and gaming, if their willing to spend that much money on ships and packages, no doubt their running the game on fucking NASA computers, the average player with a simple starter pack and a ryzen 5 with 16-31 gigs of ddr3/4 and a 2060/80 often gets awful performance, i myself have never seen upwards of 40FPS even in space. Almost seems like CIG dont recognise how bad performance and bugs are because they haven’t experienced them much themselves, or as frequently as the general citizen.
Isn’t this the same logic as buying pre-orders
@@visualbinder buying a pre order you expect to receive a finished game with the advertised features when you obtain access to it. There advertising for you to play the game NOW instead of :buy a package that comes with stuff or is at a reduced price now, and get access to what is advertised LATER. There advertising for the now with features that the now doesn’t even have 🤣
“Naw I’ll pass” while also saying “I played a few months ago” is wild
being able to spawn on regular medic beds is actually huge. i totally missed this update.
they did it so the new ursa medic sells better kekw
I’m curious what would the consensus be among gamers if this was EA or Bethesda that had a title in develop for little over a decade game and used crowd funding at the tune of 590 million dollars and still in beta.
the consensus would be abysmal people would be out of their mind lol just as they should be about this scam
EA or Bethesda would never make a game like this.
However Starfield cost approx $400m, and took 9 years roughly to make. Considering they had all 250 devs ready to go, (cr@p) game engine already in place, and linear single player only game in mind, what CIG are attempting to do is not in same ball park, it’s not even on the same planet.
@@QuotidianStupidityyeah you're being dishonest lol. Starfield wasn't in full production until after 76, so about 5ish years of actual production . The level of coddling SC gets is wild. Literally every other year the fans are creaming their pants saying "iTs alMosT reAdY guYs" and they'll probably still be saying that 5 years from now lmao.
@@krisv1038 "full production" is not the same as "in production"... SC has not been in "Full production" for 12 years, and yet that is what people quote, so to compare apples with apples, Starfield has been 9 years and is about 20 years out of date.
@@QuotidianStupidity cute try lol you got caught being dishonest. It's not comparable. SF was in actual tangible production for 5ish years, the production before that was little more than mockups,if you want to count that as production than SC has been in "production" for WAY longer since they were working on it welllll before the 2012 GDC reveal.
SC started crowdfunding TWELVE years ago, and was launched into "playability" a few years after, having NINE straight years of a product not just in full production, but actually released to the public and taking their money, also effectively having thousands of free testers, and is still not even in a 1.0 state. Lol.
They're both undercooked crap but at least one of them isn't draining the communities money with a cult fanbase claiming year after year tHiS iS tHe yEaR lol.
It's fun but still super buggy. I would recommend coming back in 4.0 or 2025
4.0 won't be there for 2 more years or so.
@@WolfofnoStreet didn't they say q3 2024?
@@WolfofnoStreet 4.0 will be released this year Q3 or Q4 iirc.
@@gabrielr.9225 In the end of 2015 they said Squadron 42 will be released in Q4 2016.
@@WolfofnoStreet So what? Yes they planned to release it in 2016 and then they chose to redevelopp everything. But S42 and SC are 2 distinct games.
Pyro is basically done. What we need is the server meshing and that's the toughest tech to work on. It's fine even if they don't make it before the end of the year but we'll play on 4.0 live before "2 more years or so".
This game is like a prison life sentence 12 years done 12 years more to go!!!
I think Squadron 42 will be out soon actually. 2025 I would say. Then SC shortly after that maybe another 2 years at most.
@@realWorsinwe've been hearing soon for the past 5 years
I don't know guys, mayby in US. Here in EU is almost unplayable. Even just go thru Invictus is real lag pain..
I’ve only logged one time so far in 3.23 and tbh my experience was immediately ruined by my first bounty. I was going to a bunker (lowest tier one) and upon attempting a landing out of sight of the turrets, I was attacked by an NPC HH that was flying around in atmo. While trying to flee, I was attacked by security and a mantis. Killing the mantis (who shot first) gave me a CS3 so I did a character reset (cause I died to the HH that chased me hundreds of km across the planet) and haven’t logged since
Trying citizen for the fist time and really fun. I recommend everyone to contact a guide in the forums
They have players dedicated to showing newbies around?
@@RealLifeWizard Nope but the community is very helpful and loves showing new players the game since its hard to learn.
@@RealLifeWizard yes! There is an official guide system you can use to get someone to guide you though different aspects of the game. If you don't do that though, just ask around in the wold chat. For the most part players are great with helping newbies out!
OK, I wish I knew guides were thing. I felt completely lost and frustrated. Especially after I tried to land on a planet to pick up a package after I figured out how to get my ship out and how to fly it took a long time then the planet UI or whatever you wanna call it where it shows the destination on the planet is shit. it looks like it’s right in front of you, but it’s on the other side of the planet and then proceeded to crash my ship into the planet
@@OddEyeGuyI crashed into everything for a whole week.
But now I am nailing deliver missions! :)
It‘s a rough learning experience to figure out the game - and learn what‘s just bugs and what‘s your fault.
Keep learning. Maybe in a week I am able to do some trading. My ship shows now up more often in these terminals 👌
Still don‘t now how all these speed functions work or what my spacebreak does. Every day I put a few buttons on my Hotas, but not every button seems self explanatory…
But we will learn these things over time :)
Don't know about anyone else's experience but I'm having a great time with this patch. Minus the inventory bug!! 😫🥴.
Inventory bug?
The patch isnt that bad but my Hammerhead is massively broken.
spawns either outside of the dock so i cannot enter it at all or If it spawns in a hangar either spawing it on a planet or using a workaround by spawning a hangar ship first but then the ship bugs out and constantly turns off the engines so it does not react to keyboard inputs at all.
And if a friend enters the co pilot seat the ship bugs aswell and he can turn the ships power on and off and see the UI while I cannot see it in the pilot seat.
From like 5h of trying to fly that ship, I was only able to use it once.. I hate this thing.. Thank god that the Reclaimer isnt bugged like that :D
Looking forward to giving this another try. The concept is so amazing but I last played this 3 years ago.
I would wait till 4.0 which is theoretically coming out this fall. Servers are still really poor, but 4.0 is supposed to be the update that fixes that.
@@aidancuite6919 I swear ive heard this before about another patch😂 I really hope they get this down this time.
@@guynamedmaggi5520every "patch"
@@guynamedmaggi5520 well I wouldnt bet on it, 4.0 will bring server meshing but they still need to refine it after the launch it might help a little but I think they just need to make it live for better testing under alot of stress to really get the most out of it. then its onto dynamic server meshing which who the fuck knows when that will be but thats the end goal of server meshing
except for a few cosmetic changes, it's exactly the same as 3 years ago
The biggest annoyance with ground vehicles like the Nursa is that you have to go to a mining facility to spawn one, and then drive it into your ship. It takes so much time to gear up for an FPS mission that it's almost not realistic to do with friends on a week night, but it's more like preparing for a raid in WoW or something. And larger "raid" type gameplay is fine, and it's okay if that is a weekend-only event, but simple FPS missions should not take so long. We need to be able to spawn vehicles in normal hangars inside of our ship and be done with it.
Just another 10 years guys and this tech demo might actually become a game!
I don't want Star Citizen to go "mainstream" The whole reason it's been so successful and is raising the bar as high as it has, is because it hasn't fallen into the bullshit that huge AAA game developers have. I hope they stay where they are. an island away from the chaos, lies, and deceit. The same people that are whining today are the same people that were whining and saying it's a scam before. They are all eating their own foot now and are gonna have to SWALLOW it when S.C. exits alpha. PERIOD.
Eh it's a double edged sword. An AAA company would never dare attempt making this game, yet it requires AAA resources.
@@nikolakaravida9670 Well put
5 minutes of playing and my laptop is already an oven
Yeah, you need a good CPU, 32-64 GB RAM, and a SSD to even consider playing.
You should always be maxing out your laptop anyways. If a video game isnt maxing out your laptop you havent turned the graphics settings high enough or your not running at a high enough frame rate. I got a $2000 laptop and every game i play makes it run like an oven i all max out the settings
16gb ram is enough, SSD is mandatory, any cpu that works with a 16 and up gb gpu ram will work
@@joshthepagan Lmao no, coming from a i9 13900K 7900XTX and 32GB of 6300 MHZ ram, this game wont run on any PC. its a piece of shit.
@@TheRealBillix its not about running it its about overheating
I decided to take the opportunity to try Star Citizen for free during Invictus. After verifying my account I couldn't login, I did finally get logged in and was able to downloaded the entire 96Gb Install plus the launcher. Only to have it not actually work, I tried verifying the game files but it decided it wanted to download everything again. At this point i called it and uninstalled, ether there services where being overloaded, or they're not ready. My PC more than meets that recommended system requirements.
well the game acts like it would crash but you have to just wait patiently and it will start but if you're already losing patience here, the game won't be for you in its current alpha status anyway
@@Sebastian-co9jg Thanks for the reply, I spent around 4 hours this morning waiting for the entire game to download. Once finished there was no option to click Play or Start Game, it just wanted to download everything all over again. I was not even given the option to even start. I've always wanted to buy SC and now i finally have a PC that can run it. Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 64Gb 3200Mhz Ram, RTX 4070 Ti Super 16Gb, 2Tb Nvme drive. 300Mbps fiber internet connection. It runs Cyberpunk 2077 with full path tracing enabled at 70FPS 1080p without requiring Frame Gen so im confident this is more than enough to handle SC.
@@MrGridStrom Quick question, did the game down load into the same location as the launcher. Had friend who had it install in a different location.
I think it struggles to download into custom locations, unless you clarify that location.
@@festersmith8352 Yes I had the launcher and game location on my 2Tb NvMe gaming drive G:\
Most stable Invictus week, since as far back as I can remember!
AND I JUST REALISED THAT. THANKS!
Only because the playerbase is split due to MM.
@@Roboticus_Prime_RCMadden Mobile?
Been playing Star Citizen since the start of 2020. It was fun then, and it's more fun now. Some of the major issues remain. It's hard to group up with friends. Server performance is a roulette. Lack of gameplay loops. As soon as those problems are resolved, it will become very, very popular.
Like you said, the DCs have underground levels that aren’t in yet. Basically, half the interior space is coming in a later patch and raids are planned.
I said to hell with Star Citizen's BS money scam with the needless wipes and went back to Eve Online, ED, and NMS... I hate how CIG is playing everyone with fabricated BS... 💥
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Yeah don’t hold your breath respawning is gonna stay that way we will still have to deal with perma death!
Yup, and DNA degradation. So it's not like respawning constantly will be in your best interest.
@@Billy-bc8pk or on your ingame wallet
@@Billy-bc8pk wow mire SpREADSHEET gameplay. DNA degradation XD XD XD can't even shoot a guy in front of u for the past DECADE
Loving this patch. It sparked my interest back. Really the only thing that killed it was having my character, ammo, ship weapons, and location being reset after each update when they pumped out updates like every three days there for a while. Enjoying everything so far. Far more stable than last invictus.
I feel like anyone who says "I can't believe the game is still this bad after 12 years" doesn't really understand the leaps and bounds they are doing or the long path cig has gone down for both squadron 42 and star citizen
Got in, toured Invictus. Wondering if anyone else has had this:
My pc and a friend's pc just kept locking up every few seconds. Moving was painfully slow for a while then everything would be fine for a minute or two, then back to freezing every few seconds. Worse when I zoomed in. Corp friends tried to help with no change. I'm in New Zealand, my friend is in USA. Outside of the event area things were much more like normal. Some others had run missions.
I like this game. Amazing graphics and concepts. Walking in stations is what I hoped Eve online would become, except this has amazing planet landscapes as well. Will be nicer when they get the lag sorted.
Are you playing on a hdd or SSD? How much Ram do you have.
@@Bala2289 SSD, 32GB of Ram. Initially I had other stuff running, but even after closing those it made no difference.
@@nigelryenarznz give it a shot again. It takes sometime to cache the shaders and also during freefly events the server performance will be poor. I play at 45fps avg on major cities and close to 100 in space. I play at 2k ultrawide with 3070, ryzen 3800x and 64gb ram.
@@Bala2289 That makes sense. It might be downloading stuff from overstressed servers when I zoom in and move around near ships I have not seen before + the usual issues.
Thank you
What you described is akin to a tech demo they released 6 years ago.
When will bangable aliens be added?
They need to work on the quests. I've been into Star Citizen for a decade. Never did quests, never needed to or wanted too. Just flew around, explored, killed things. (Few times I had tried, NPCs were really bugged)
Gave it a shot this time around. Took the very first "priority" quest. Go to a bunker, access computer. I get there, kill all guards. Can't access the computer, the quest can't be finished. I need a crypto key...I check all bodies. Check every inch of the facility. Nope. Okay, maybe bugged. Do it THREE more times before I find out via General Chat that you need to buy the crypto key somewhere before doing the quest.
Had no idea and the quest didn't mention it. THAT'S what you want to sell to first timers? Quests that you have to Google to finish? Bad design.
I bought this game and played a few times, but i get so nervous to ask anyone if they can help or to tag along. So i would play your star citizen video as i play to feel like i have a buddy. No one in my personal can or willing to play it. So now its sims or fallout haha.
There's a guide system where there are people that want to help newcomers. They're used to the bugs and teaching people so worth checking out.
I would definitely recommend looking for a guide or checking out an Org from a content creator you like. If nothing else, it might be a good way to network and find other people to play with.
Just ask in chat. Surely a few players in each server willing to help.
@@Bala2289 the funny part is the first and only time i asked for help I got tricked to having my ship to self destruct. I laughed afterwords.
People complain about the time and money it has taken to make this game. Lets put it into perspective.
CIG
Total cost so far around 5-600mill and they have raised 700mill
12 years in development
Had to build a massive company with multiple studios worldwide from scratch
Had to Staff all of it from scratch
Developed the entire engine (Twice) once on Cry and once with Lumberyard and now they are pretty much so custom its a whole new engine
Invent network code that has never existed that will allow MILLIONS of people in 1 server
They are making 2 games not 1, Star Citizen and Squadron 42.
Doing things no game has ever done such as planet size cities, real-time face tracking, No NPC in the entire universe looks the same, procedural generation is off the charts
GTA 6
2 billion dollars so far
6 years in development if its released on time
Pre-existing company
Pre-existing franchise
Pre-existing staff
Pre-existing engine (i am sure they have made improvements though)
Star Citizen is the most ambitious game ever attempted and the haters cannot see that this is how the gaming industry becomes better. Pressure from games like CIG force others to up their game, pun intended. CIG is a groundbreaking company and will change the gaming industry forever once the game is finished imo.
While I love the direction SC is going, It’s impossible to get friends on board and when they do play, the game makes me look stupid for trying.
I’m loving 3.23.1 but there’s a ton of issues to be sorted before I can recommend this game to anyone!
100% it fucking sucks and all of the time sinks and shit its horrible.
@@guynamedmaggi5520 Its strange, because it works near flawless for me. And if I do experience jank, I can work with/around it.
The new player experience/tutorial 1000% needs to be in ARENA COMMANDER!!!!!!!!!! We can't ask new players to put up with server performance and lack of direction in the PU in its current state.
3.23 isn't a big patch for the average gamer, this level of QoL features are expected in any AAA game. 4.0 will also be a major milestone only for people closely following SC and most of the features added will likely be buggy and need further refinement judging by the SM tests. Only SQ42 will have the level of polish that can be presented to the masses so CIG will have to make do with whatever they can scrounge up from us until then.
bought my game in 2016, and this is "the most game like it has felt ever before" is how i describe it. This week, ive played for 20 hours. I've completed my initial misison which was a delivery. the next 12 missions i've done have failed in 14 different ways. This game is not ready, and I have 1300 hours in Elite Dangerous, so I have a ready tolerance for hardship and anti-handholding. I died on an elevator on a planet in SC recently.... you know what i'm tired, i've played a lot t his week and i just dont care, i'll check back in 5 years as is my usual. .... AND THIS IS THE MOST GAME LIKE THIS GAME HAS BEEN since "launch"
Honestly, the even the menu just feels more responsive. Everything with that new off-white boarder feels quick and clicky--before that, it felt so damn slow (like everything had a time-lag).
It runs SO MUCH smoother than any previous instance. The minimap is probably my favorite addition so far. Something sorely needed.
I don't think people understand how absurdly expensive MMO development is compared to other genres, and that they have also been developing a single player campaign alongside this. CIG has acted in very scummy ways before (locking dev news behind paywalls comes to mind) but to say that SC is a scam for the sole purpose of taking money is greatly misinformed. Development has taken this long because they are quite stubborn in not compromising on the vision which requires very complex new tech behind the scenes to function (e.g. dynamic server meshing).
Star Citizen is a game with enormous potential. It has a plethora of features, but at this point it is still quite buggy. However, I believe that the developers will be able to resolve the bugs and make it a more enjoyable experience. I am eager for future updates that will address the bugs and improve the gameplay.
Same here, old time backer, I can't believe it is in that state after 12 years!
I was so hyped for this patch.. man if it is broken.. the game does everything to ruine your experience! 3.22 was in a far better state.
yeah, the game is literally worse than it was 3 years ago
I love SC to bits, but it is a CONSIDERABLY LONG way from being ready for 1.0
The 1.0 hype is unreal. CIG never gave any date in its regard.
I think its 3-5 years out.
the devs still working on starfield must be looking at star citizen and trying not to break down in tears
One is a game, one is a fancy store front to milk nerds lmao
@@Eric-ue5mm yeah ur right, starfield DOES suck!
Honestly the game is a game now. That's all I can say. I've been having a blast since patch came out
It still seems like the popular streamers (and also some gaming Journalists) don't get the scale of Star Citizen, this WILL be the biggest game ever, it is a ginormous Sandbox and that needs time, yes 12 years is a lot but it just so big
Edit: + they are making game changing technologies like server Meshing wich could be used in so many games, imagine WoW with that tech, just 1000 of players doing stuff, its a true Gamechanger...
God it’s so close to being a game, if they get that dynamic server meshing working and it loses some of the jank it will be so good. I tried doing xeno threat last night and it’s still got lots of desync and is so buggy, but it has so much potential
>12 years of development
@@TheBananamonger Do you think development time alone should be the metric used to determine whether a game is good?
Explain what dynamic sever meshing means in your own words
@@Biggerfoot If the OP doesn't reply to you, I'd be more then happy to answer your question.
@@Biggerfoot I’m pretty sure they said it was the technology they have been working on for forever that makes multiple servers work together for one game universe. So a bunch of different servers with different workloads and responsibilities for each part of the game all work together.
It’s kinda like what world of Warcraft does where they have multiple servers in charge of different game aspects. The big difference is that with dynamic server meshing the servers can pool hardware resources together on the go, it’s not just different servers each separately doing something. So hopefully that means way more performance for players. I think it will also boost the player cap too
From the outside looking in this game looks like it has a lot of width but hardly any depth. If that makes sense.
To Shroud and everyone else, a friendly reminder that - until recently - most the money and devs went to making a totally different single player game. So wondering why Star Citizen is in the state it's in after $600m and 12 years isn't really understanding the development decisions funneling the vast majority of resources to an entirely different product in those 12 years.
actually no. Not the vast majority of the resources went to SQ42. Actually, SC was the priority (by far) until 2020.
However, by the fact that no game like SC exists, nor it is in development, nor it is even conceptualized, explains the complexity of SC. Thats why it is taking 12 years.
If this is the attitude of the average star citizen player, I’m saying far away.
500+ million and 12 years of development and it’s still not finished? 😂
@@RichSmithson they’re releasing a AAA single player game next year. This isn’t an attitude, I’m just adding additional context to a gamer guy like you who isn’t aware they have been developing an entirely different game with much of that time and resources.
@@RichSmithson
You say that like there’s some industry standard budget and timeline for this kind of game. Who did it better?
What people are often missing is that lots of AAA games have dev times approaching or even exceeding 10 years (eg. RDR2 or Diablo 3), while not even remotely coming close to the scale and technical challenges of SC. Additionally things like them building a whole second AAA game at the same time and building a global game studio from the ground up.
SC still needs a lot of work, and really shouldn't be taken as an even semi-beta game (because several game loops are still absent including:cargo hauling missions, live bounty missions, the entire actual in-game economy, piracy, vehicle transport mission, ect).
BUT, what I will say, as someone who bought into the game, the entrance fee of $45 is worthwhile if you are willing to try the game and OK with the bugs and updates/wipes.
This game will never be mainstream with the prices of the microtransaction they have, to be frank.
Nonsense.
It costs £50 to start and you never need to buy anything again.
You don’t think Fortnite or FIFA are mainstream? They live off micro transactions.
@@QuotidianStupidity Fortnite and FIFA are mainstream because of the amount of players they have. They also don't charge hundreds/thousands of pounds for one item in game. Of course, you don't 'have to' buy them, but the fact they even exist for such ludicrous prices in the first place is enough to put many people off. Escape from Tarkov had more players than SC will ever have, but as soon as they introduced a 250 Euro Package, players left in their thousands.
Totally disagree
The entry price to FIFA is more - 70$
Fifa ultimate team at competitive levels can cost thousands per year.
You don't 'have to' but if you want a short cut...
It's the same thing
You don't need to buy ships with real $ after you have the starter one.
@@dirty_beggar6277 your logic… “these things are popular because of the number of people that play it”
That isn’t an argument, that is just re describing that people play it. The point is, you can spend thousands on cards if you want for Ultimate team, and people do.
SC uses ship sales as its funding model so it shouldn’t be a surprise that they have expensive ones. However given the extraordinary amount of work that goes it into them, it’s better than what turgid updates EA churn out every year, or what Bethesda thinks is a 2024 spec game engine
Also Tarkov example is completely different as they were essentially ripping off people that already had the season passes
... and it's only going to get worse.
With 3.23 we already see a huge shift in the early game. They want to make everything less profitable to get people to buy better ships with real money.
I used to like just putting a game in console and away you go. Now you have to download shit, create accounts, jump through hoops and them watch some 30 minute intro sequence. Its maddening. I don't care about future plans or nerdy dev shit, I just want to jump in a game and have fun like we used to
I played in free fly last year with 3.18 and again this year and sure. It still runs slow on stations and planets, and sometimes things are a little laggy. But server performance in particular is loads better and the game is starting to feel like a game
We don’t speak about 3.18 💀
@@SpaceSpuddd It was certainly one of the patches of all time
When and if I can play the game without having my ship randomly explode for absolutely no reason, I might jump back in
Not even close, cheerleader.
😂To be fair Level cap is probably one of the best and most fair SC youtubers right now when hyping this game up. But your right this game is just a nice looking turd I hope I get proved wrong though
it really seems like this respawn situation is temporary for a fresh wave of new players since i dont see CIG truly removing the medical game play loop. having this current game function kind of nullifies the need for any medical beacons and thoughtful, strategic planning while on missions. considering i have often heard the game described as a Mil-Sim in space, one of the greatest reward of playing comes from the risk factor or rather the danger. all that gets erased with quick & easy respawn.
This doesn't really remove medical beacons, since only larger ships can carry an Ursa, and not everyone is flying around in Medical Pisces. This mostly benefits those who already have a Nursa, Cutty Red or Pisces C8R, which is still a very small subset of the player base. But the respawn situation is going to change drastically with 4.0 when resource management goes live and you will have to resupply resources for respawn beds.
@@Billy-bc8pk it might be comparatively a small number of players who currently have such vehicles that you can respawn from. you cant forget players will always seek the latest meta meaning more players will start to acquire these vehicles (via in-game or pledge store) so they can take advantage of the quick respawn mechanic. this will ultimately lead to medical game play being useless or not needed.
the resource management you mentioned, i personally do not know specifically how that will work in regards of this subject but whats to stop a player from stocking up on the required resources to keep respawning whenever they want kind of like stocking up on ammo so they are never without in a tough moment?
@@4ortytoon Resources will be very expensive, which will limit who will be able to afford to respawn. Plus Death of a Spaceman, which will reduce respawn efficiency per respawn, thus giving a much greater reason and benefit to using beacons instead.
@@Billy-bc8pk we'll see how it all works out.
I understand your point but imagine if they charged you everytime you died. I've often been unable to go off a station within 5 lives because of bugs, me clipping through walls, falling and dying because of ladders, getting stuck in ships, etc. If there was a consequence everytime I died, I wouldn't play the game, not that I want to play it a whole lot already because of all the game breaking bugs there are.
Levelcap sees this game through pink glasses.
If you actually read the game information you will know for fact the game is not at scam, also this game is far beyond anything you have played in your entire life.
I wouldn't say that- plenty of games do parts of the gameplay that SC does FAR better. What SC does do, and is still unique for, is combining all those parts in one game and doing them at scale.
I can certainly see a lot of the folks that bought in early on when CIG said things like "by the end of 2015 backers will have everything they pledged for" as feeling scammed by CIG, and that would be valid.
For new folks, SC is finally in a state decent enough to see where the $600 mil is going, and it's less likely to seem like a scam from the outset.
@@MrXinshadow Just a ton of games in one but does all of them sorta poorly and doesn't go in depth. for 700 mil and 12 years what they have currently is kind of depressing and I have worked with indie devs, BUT they have had to build the studio in this time and work on a old engine while managing a ton of people so hey maybe they just had a lot of problems internally. also really hard to play with these bugs on high fps servers I ve heard it plays like a game.
Im glad Shroud was so negative. CIG needs to push for polish and fixing desync and missions.
No they don’t. That is what you do once the game is in beta.
@@QuotidianStupidity12 years and still pre alpha, lol
@@piedpiper1172 yeh but look at what they are trying to achieve. It will be incredible.
Not many games set out to be incredible.
All these big ass capital sized destroyer ships. No NPC crews to pilot them. Just big ass 15 man geo in space you can fly by yourself or with one or two other people.
They sure love making ships and not a working pvp
In about 2 weeks I'll finally have a PC that can run this bloody game. I bought it a few years ago and my i7-6700K with GTX 1080 just wasn't enough to run it at a playable framerate. That won't be a problem with the new PC though! Woo!
enjoy it o7
People running graphics cards from 2010 upset they can’t play modern games 😂
My kids play on my old pc with the same specs and this recent patch has been a big change for my two older pc's. Before that pc couldnt run clouds or it was a slideshow and now it can but on low.
Lmao it's not your pc that'll ruin it, it's the server performance
Just don't go 13th / 14th gen, wouldn't want to jump on the cope bandwagon.
Agreed, if they can sort out all of the bugs I would be keen to start playing it.
Star Citizen fits right in with the other unfinished cash grabs in modern gaming.
Not a cash grab / scam tho
+ still better then Starfield Lmao
While I sort of agree, I've yet to play another game like Star Citizen. It really is impressive in scale and detail.
yet it killed most of the games u currently play.
yes, because the fifa and the battlefield that u have in your steam library, those are not scams. hahaha
It's really not though?
"This game is fucking terrible" - Shroud
im enjoying the wait, from the outside. at least one AAA dev cares about their game
you're talking about Larian, right?
@@wopsterke Who released BG3 broken and missing it's entire third act?
@@wopsterke The fact you think larian is a AAA studio is really funny. Larian is an indie dev in all ways of the definition.
The biggest spawnable ship will be the Javelin, which is 3 times bigger than the idris
I really wish people would at least try and understand the complexity behind this game before writing it off or saying things like shroud said about being surprised of the state of the game after 12 years... There is not a SINGLE game out there that comes anywhere near what star citizen is doing, not even single player games. All of those physics, everything going on in the SC galaxy, all of the persistent dropped items, destroyed ships, etc... That is all INSANELY hard to get working in a single player game, doing it in a multiplayer game is like a whole different level.
Worse than that. They had to build their own engine because the existing one's couldn't handle their physics. They had to build their own dev tools. They had to literally invent new technology that, the week it was demonstrated last Fall, naysayers were claiming was literally impossible.
Then, compare the timeline to AAA titles with massive funding and existing teams, tools, and technology. Cyberpunk took 9 years, and still launched as a buggy disaster.
CIG is doing fine.
@@dawnfire82 Not only that, but Chris Roberts and the few people who were working with him from the beginning had to build an entire company before they could do much work on the game engine.
Don't waste your time, people who are really interested in the project already know that, and the opinios of people that do those comparations are irrelevant since they are clueless about the topic and how developing 2 games with groundbreaking tech works.
Also is not only the fact that they made a company/game engine/network from scratch, they had a live service since 2014 with constant content updates while developing 2 games and people still complain about times.
@@gankstrap Yeah, it really is nuts how some people view CIG and Star Citizen.
Agree 100% but people don't want to and shouldn't have to i can't get anyone to stick to it after the first launch no matter how much i explain it to them it's pointless, Every free fly i get people on they laugh they leave unless you're invested like myself and yourself it's all pointless no one cares unless there's a working , polished product there to pick up and play its going to be the downfall of SC i hate it but i can see it coming
This patch has actually made me want to play it regularly between game sessions. I can really see the ramping up of development and if it continues then I honestly could see myself recommending it to my friends. Until then I'll have to play solo
Shroud got a hate boner for SC probably something to do with making his own game
He’s right though lol, 12 years and no game is a joke
@@rinzlr3554 well there technically IS a game as you can see in front of you. Besides why does it matter how long a game takes? If it takes 20 years then so be it
@@georgek2574 because that logic makes no sense. 20 years ago games were barley made in 3D, what do you think games will look like in another 20 years? As a player myself; Star Citizen is not a game, it’s a tech demo. It’s an amazing experience but get real dude, 12 years in alpha is a poor excuse for management.
@@rinzlr3554 I would say 3.23 has gotten it close to finally being a game.
There isn’t a single game that is doing what SC is doing. So I’m not gonna sit around and shit on them for taking so long because there’s no way in hell I could even begin to understand how difficult it is
@@georgek2574 did you forget the part where they said back in 2012 that the game would be ready in 2014? Kids born in 2012 are old enough to be able to play this game today lol. You can make whatever excuse you want, but it’s piss poor management nonetheless. They want to add a second star system and still haven’t fixed the first one! Ha! What a joke. I support the game and I hope it succeeds but you’re pretty naive if you think the modern world is going to wait another 10+ years for this game to be playable. In fact, consumer like yourself are the reason CIG can get away with slacking.
I was on a normal delivery contract, picked up 4 crates, put them safely in the back of my ship. After flying off the planet and landing so very softly and safely at the drop-off point, I walked back to check on the packages, and they were all demolished. Safe to say I got off for the night after that.
If it goes mainstream it'll die like Star Wars, D&D, WoW (though it seems to be recovering from what I've heard), Star Trek and soon to be 40K
I hope I'm wrong but I highly doubt it won't end in disaster
No, you're right. The only way it will not die like those others is if Chris stays committed to keeping certain.... things.... out. But it will end in disaster once it goes mainstream. Expect the typical articles asking for deviant features and then expect reddit threads demanding "inclusivity", and then the game will fold under the weight of its popularity like the other brands you mentioned.
One thing I almost forgot about, and many people who look at SC now, or ignored development for a while, wheren't around for, or don't remember, was the 2017-2019 Crytec lawsuits.
For background information, from 2012 at the beginning, CIG signed an argeement to develop SC using the Crytec Engine, so long as the Crytec engine remained supported. In 2016, the studio that created and supported Crytec moved to instead use Unreal Engine, and basically the Crytec engine became abandoned save for a few bugfixes.
CIG, unable to properly continue SC development on the Crytec Engine that was quickly becoming too underpowered to do what they needed, instead started developing on Amazon's Lumberyard Engine.
Crytec's new owners, EPIC Games, proceeded to sue CIG for moving to another Engine. CIG won the lawsuit because they where able to show Crytec was no longer being properly supported. But that took a few years, now everything is being developed in Lumberyard since 2019, and all the fun it brings of developing in a new engine from an old one.
The bots being the first ones to comment on this is hilarious 😂
Anyway on subject, at this rate the game should be finished by 2045!
We voted for a for-ever in development game. If they finish it, EVER, they would be acting against the community willingness.
Well, it seems like the game got more mainstream. But every game loop has bugs who destroy the flow, and many players quit after getting in at least 2 of them. CIG should really focus more on the playability rather than pushing out new ships. At the end, no one is going to buy all those ships (in the shop) when you can not even start off from the hangar due to a bug.
When they intend to finish it ?
They won't. They're just going to keep doing as little as possible to maximize profits, but do just enough to not be hit with a class action lawsuit.
@@Fragger-1bro they literally just released the biggest update ever Lmao what are you talking about?
They are gonna release it 1.0 in like 2 years max surely... first SQ42 release tho... then Star Citizen after like a year of live Server meshing testing
@@kajmak64bit76 They've been talking about releasing 1.0 "soon" for like 5+ years now.
They spent more time trying to make accurate bed sheet physics, and $48,000 ships, than actually finishing the game.
@@Fragger-1 u are so ignorant that u cant even understand that having +1K devs is expensive.
@@Fragger-1 poor scammed boy. Go buy call of duty.
It’s surprising how much they did do in 3.23.
They are getting so close!
People hating on SC don’t realize how innovative and groundbreaking the technology created to run this game is
And the ponzi brainwashing scheme it is
Nah the only thing it's innovative is, is that SC devs can actually overtake ubitrash award for amount of bugs per-square space they have in game.
I only had glitchy bugs (fell on the planet, glitch through the ship elevator & walls) when i play during first weeks but after consistently playing this game never had ecounter a bug. I’m always safe. It’s my skill issue who makes me crash and explode my ship everytime.
"Is it good now?"
Heh...no.
But I know it absolutely will be for once.
6116 hours into ELITE DANGEROUS and waiting for Star Citizen to be finished.
CIG, fix the bugs!!!!
It's so bad I swore off the game 2 years ago, playability has always been near zero. If they ever actually release the game I'll check it out again, until then I'm just assuming I got scammed by pledging.
in BETA
a truly evergreen criticism
@@seveneternal7988 there is no beta now it’s 4.0 and 1.0
I feel like end game they should do another system that's fully aggressive making each planet a (raid) get a group and do a full planet assault. Each
Planet could be different difficulties
Massive Space fights, Spacestation take over, Anti air, tank warfare.
Full out invasion once a month or something.
Thoughts?
I almost nose sprayed out my drink when I heard endgame content. You have to have a beginning and middle game first. We're still polishing core mechanics. the existing contracts are serving part of that purpose.
yuuuppp, this is just a push to get more people to buy ships.. they need to f right off and finish the game. Chris roberts doesnt need another 4 car garage.
Ima just hop in my time capsule, set it for 12 years from now, and when I wake up...maybe this game will be "done"
Cool tech demo. Someone should make a game with all those entirely separate assets and systems that someone ham fisted together for trailers for the last 15 years.
Not yet...we'll see how it goes after 4.0 and meshing has had some time to stabilize as MOST (not all) of the issues you encounter in SC come from the servers, if that is smoothed out or eliminated that's a hell of a lot more playable experience
Renting one server for 600 million dollars. . They are already running with your money.
@@MachinedFace88ttv If you are going to say something moronic just keep it in your own head to yourself, where you keep the rest of the stupidity
I usually make my own judgements, but after reading the comments I think I will wait a while before trying this out.
Bought a starter ship, learned some basics with the short tutorial, went to pick up a package, and was gunned down because I was trespassing and bad at ship combat. I was still in orbit when they deemed me a criminal. The quantum drive wasn’t working great and I was trying to fly around part of the planet.
Another problem CIG has is advertising. Advertising the game isn’t a problem, its a great way to draw players in and generate revenue. The problem is How CIG is advertising the game as finished, stable, working features with awesome missions (and sliding which isn’t even in the game yet?tf?XD) that are complete able and consistent. The fact CIG are stuffing new ships down throats instead of fixing major issues is very enlightening. A major issue seems to be their testers and the Evo Cati (early testers who can directly report bugs in new features) are so invested in the game and gaming, if their willing to spend that much money on ships and packages, no doubt their running the game on fucking NASA computers, the average player with a simple starter pack and a ryzen 5 with 16-31 gigs of ddr3/4 and a 2060/80 often gets awful performance, i myself have never seen upwards of 40FPS even in space. Almost seems like CIG dont recognise how bad performance and bugs are because they haven’t experienced them much themselves, or as frequently as the general citizen.
I disagree. Before CIG nails down server tech and releases another star system, this is nowhere near ready for the masses. I will probably invite my friends to try SC after 4.1 or 4.2 , hoping that until then the devs can polish the next big technological jump that is the 4.0 update.