How many points have Ferrari ACTUALLY lost?
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2024
- Let’s take a painful look into how many points Ferrari have lost this year, shall we?
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Maybe this is what mattia binnoto meant when he said that their goal for this year is NOT to win the championship. And now we know that he is a man of his word.
They wanted to bring a fast car for the start of the new regulations, so they can improve reliability for the next season
What's funny is Ferrari has NEVER rolled onto the grid without the intention of winning the race or championship until this year. Binotto is playing typical Ferrari politics.
@@mrklv1593 except red bull is just as fast across a full race on average and more reliable at this stage, so they didn't really get that either
He meant to say their goal is to not win the championship, probably lost in translation 😅
this comment made me laugh even though as a f1 fan i don't like this season cause ferrari this season could be amazing and it feels like binnoto/ferrari strategy is messing this comp up in a bad way for them selfs mostly but also us fans
Matt is clearly strugging to accept that leclerc has lost
I am too. I really feel for him. And I am a Verstappen fan....
PAIN for him which I feel for him due to 2021
I laughed when I saw this like, “ OH NO MATT still in shock” 😂😂😝😝😝
Hahaha yup! Ferrari lost both championships 😂🤡
Same here
2022 is literally the opposite of 2012 for Ferrari. In 2012, they had the 3rd fastest car and damn nearly won the championship. In 2022, they have the fastest car and they're damn nearly finishing 3rd.
2012 they had competent strategy, good reliability, and fernando alonso. in 2022 they have trash strategy, terrible reliability, and a driver who is very fast and competent but is more prone to mistakes than average
@@imblack011 he is also making mistakes because he is also in pressure of winning the race
2012 wasn’t even 3rd fastest. It was 4th fastest after lotus red bull and mclaren and was very slow at the beginning of the year. I’d say it was closer but still 4th fastest towards the end of the year
2022 is almost like 2013
Mclaren in 2012 are more like Ferrari this year. Though to be fair that mclaren was very bad in hot races.
It amazing that Charles at one point had lead of close to 50 points and lost it all in half a season
From +50 to -80.
remember the commentators saying in race 5 or something 'only one driver before in history has lost wdc after a 40+ point lead in the championship'
they were completely convinced leclerc had it in the bag
@@WillowCreative Yeah that driver was me on F1 22 😂😂
JK
@@Finkelfunk I'd be interested if anybody has had an even worse season.
loosing 130 points to your main rival isnt something usual.
and yes it was clear from the first qualification that its going to be Charles VS Max the full season.
@@WillowCreative Fernando Alonso 2012.
Ferrari things innit😑
These numbers are actually understated if you’re talking about the total points lost in the championship because you have to factor in that retiring from 1st, for example, also means that the person who would have finished 2nd now gets 7 more points. So Charles retiring from the lead of a race is a 32 point swing in the constructors/drivers
That's a really good point!
True
Thank you! Not everyone is thinking that way. Ferrari would be ahead a decent amount as Red Bull gained a lot more points from Ferrari's losses than the other way around.
after all its pretty much even, when you factor in how many points red bull lost to engine failures etc.
so charles would actually have 100-125 points more in the championship and ferrari might have 150+200 more in constructors (both compared to their competitors)
I did some math, and with these results, and take away RB errors (for fairness), Ferrari would have just over 500 points, Red Bull just under 450. Charles would have just over 300 points and Max around 275 points... As a Max fan I say, that would have more fun then what we have now, although I'm not really complaining...
Verstappen’s mechanical DNFs cost him 2nd place at Bahrain and Australia and the damage at Silverstone cost the win. So he’s lost 55 points
If you think back to last season, that's similar to what both Lewis and Max lost. I think Max probably lost more, but that's not the point. The point is, there will be points lost due to errors and reliability and other drivers. And over the whole season. Its normal.
Losing 100 plus points in half a season is just insane. You can't win a championship when that happens.
Which roughly cancels out with Leclerc's engine woes, 50 points by my reckoning which does not take into account the extra points Max picked up because of these.
If Leclerc's only lost points would have been mechanical, he would be 5 points behind in arguably the faster car. We would have a much more exciting back half of the season. That is Ferrari's real crime here.
@@OrangePukeko Precisely. Mechanical issues happen. And they have happened to both.
Max is very consistent, and is making less errors. Therefore the Leclerc errors being costly are punishing.
Ferrari's tactical blunders don't happen at Red Bull.
To be fair, the damage was unavoidable through strategy, reliability or driver decisions.
I don't think it's fair to look past damage too. No action from Red Bull could predict or mitigate that event.
and also him spinning in spain due to driver error or wind whatever and without that spin and without that drs issue he might have been able to fight for the lead with leclerc if his engine had not exploded so yes losing like 50 60 points is normal but losing 100+ isnt
now this is literally ''points lost''
but imagine the ''points lost compared to redbull'' where redbull gained more points over ferrari's mistakes (and incidents/ reliability)
they would honestly be in P1 currently in constructors.
Thats what really matters and it annoys me how people always forget this.
easily.
As I wise man once said, to finish first, first you need to not be driving for Ferrari
That is if you ignore all of RB's issues, as well as alot of the points in this video being wishful thinking (such as Charles beating Max in a few of the races)
@@beastunleashed657 its just for fun. relax
In 2018 people put the blame solely on Vettel for both championships' loss. This is a refreshingly honest analysis.
Well in 2018 it was his fault
Too many, far too many
Or from the perspective of a Ferrari Hater: Not enough
Painful to watch as a Ferrari fan 😩😩
Since, as you said, Red Bull have had their own woes, it would be interesting to see this same video but for Red Bull, with the comparison to Ferrari at the end. It would show each teams maximum potential from the season without errors.
I mean max retired from 2 of the first 3 races, other than that they haven't really had an issue
@@Lukeywoodsey I think it's easy to overlook the Redbull faults because they haven't really lost anything by them. For example Verstappens spin last race if that had happened against a more competent opposition it could have cost him a victory. Not saying Redbull and Max haven't been performing well but Ferrari are so bad they are making them look like gods.
@@Lukeywoodsey Checo had a lot of DNFs and besides Max’s DNFs, he also had other reliability issues during a couple of races he did finish. DRS wing and the suspected puncture (which was an issue where the car lost downforce).
agreed
@@Lukeywoodsey silverstone?
Perez at canada? Perez at bahrein. Perez in Austria?
Simple answer: Enough to loose the championship
Enough to justify flushing the pit wall.
This year Ferrari just reminds me of McLaren back in 2010-2012. Had one of the fastest cars on the grid (probably the fastest in 2012), but the car being unreliable, worse strategies and slower pit stops literally cost them the both WCs. I think it was one of the main reasons for Hamilton to leave McLaren to join Mercedes.
It's unbelievable that they finished 3rd in the Constructors', behind Ferrari which had a slower car.
Matty putting salt in his wounds rather than letting them heal 🙂
🙃
Hee,hee...better than brandy, lol!
That's the only way to make Ferrari see how dumb they are. People need to keep roasting them until they open their eyes.
@@stpbasss3773 that's not a nice thing to do
@@asian_sammy2022 that's a great thing to do
They didn't throw it away, they never had it. You need to be a complete team, they have not. Having the fastest car (in qualifying) doesn't make a championship.
Agreed, the race is not over until the chequered flag.
Finally the comment I was looking for
You'd think we'd all be on that same page after it became clear that Max is more likely to win a race starting with Charles on pole than Charles is, and after Mercedes has had more podium finishes than Ferrari. If Ferrari want to be judged by which car can bang around a track the fastest without any pit stops or competitors on track they should be competing in rallycar, not Formula 1.
agreed 🤝
Ferrari knows how to win races, but not the championship
Just remember where merc was at when the season started and how they are charging hard for that 2nd place finish. Things can change rapidly in F1
Would be interesting to see an "average points lost per season" for teams over the last few seasons. It's the sort of thing that happens to everybody at some point, and it'd be interesting to see Ferrari's struggles in perspective.
Ferrari thought if they copied theirselves from vettel era they could have a championship chance, history copied theirselves
Well, they had a chance
Matt I know how painful this video was for you to make. So I just want to let you know that I appreciate you for making this video
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I think at this point so many things have to happen for Ferrari to even get a shot at winning:
> Red Bull's strategy and reliability would have to completely spaz out and quit (which I doubt will happen)
> Ferrari would have to improve both strategy calls and reliability (which Binotto already said does not need changing)
> Both drivers somewhat reduce mistakes (which I honestly think may go up once the pressure starts setting in)
> And ultimately Ferrari have to finish ahead of Red Bull at every race in the last 9 races by a substantial margin in terms of points (which given the issues above will likely not happen)
Best case scenario is it turns into another Abu Dhabi title decider (hopefully less controversial this time). Worst case scenario is Red Bull wraps up both championships early and Mercedes overtakes Ferrari in the Constructors' Championship.
Hopefully they actually improve next year or this season won't be seen as a learning curve but instead the beginning of another Ferrari decline.
In Hungary It would have been close between Max and Charles. When Lewis went onto the softs, he was only eating away a few tenths which should have been more on since he was on the softs. No matter how fast Charles is I just think that he would have a bit of work to do to overtake Max
It's an even bigger points swing when you consider how many fewer point Red Bull would have received, given Ferrari now occupy those higher positions.
Exactly!! Many many people forget to add that factor. It's a huge difference if you concider that.
You should have credited FP1 for the idea - please give these channels some respect
doubt it was on purpose, and im sure I wasn't the first either, but thats for the support!
Leclerc lost six races while leading and Verstappen won four of those
A Great Man once said "If we are losing we are losing together and if we are winning we are winning together
Ferrari could have lost 1 extra point in Australlia after Leclerc's Engineer told him not to push for a faster lap but he did anyway on the last lap. If Charles didn't push, Fernando Alonso would have gotten the fastest lap beating Charles's previous FL.
What shows how irrational the pitwall calls are if an Alpine (with an exquisite driver) can beat the "fastest" lap of the fastest car on the grid. Not to add that Leclerc is also a fast driver.
You know it's bad when they managed to make a 10 min+ video on their mistakes 😭😭
Leclerc was in Spain without the S, Sainz was in Spain without the A
Do the same for all other teams, that would be a cool video series.
Simple answer: too many
However, this also goes for RedBull. They have 5 retirements, and Silverstone with Verstappen's damaged car, and have been the fastest or second fastest car at every race.
Would be cool to see one of these for each team and what the table would look like
One thing nobody talks about. That's bad Karma for how Charles and Ferrari treated Seb, for no good reason. Where would Ferrari be sitting if Seb had that car? Charles doesn't give input to the team like Carlos does. No championship leadership in their garage would be a huge difference maker. Bad Karma finds everyone at some point. Hopefully they get their sh*t together quick. They let Mercedes into the fight. Big mistake. They do know how to win championships!
Love the content keep on it
Doesn't this mean Ferrari's strategists aren't to get so much of the blame? Afterall the drivers have lost more points than the strategists.
Very true, there's one or 2 absolute blunders the drivers have made that in my opinion were completely avoidable, but there have been many more strategy blunders when the go-to strategy was quite obvious.
Errors are always to be expected, but not when they seem that amateur. And the strategists in my opinion have made more amateur mistakes than the drivers
They are ridiculous strategy mistakes though.
did u rly just compare the difficulty between being a strategist and a driver LOL
@@stpbasss3773 and the driving mistakes aren’t ridiculous? charles somehow crashed as the leader on race pace with no pressure behind him. don’t even get me started on carlos
@@NoName-oq8qu You do know every driver usually makes a couple mistakes or more in a season right?
Knew this video was coming. Can't wait for PT 2 at the end of the year
Nice analysis Matt!
You’re forgetting they lost even more points than this. For example when leclerc crashes out of the lead and verstappen inherits the lead, leclerc loses the points for P1, but verstappen gains the points that make the difference between P1 and P2. So for example in France, leclerc lost the points for P1 (25) + the points gained by VER between 2nd and 1st (7). This isn’t taking into account the extra point for fastest lap which could make up two points if you assume leclerc would’ve taken the fastest lap and verstappen got it instead. Meaning leclerc lost 32 points to verstappen in France and possible 33 for fastest lap (as sainz got fastest lap). So when you include the points gained by verstappen, red bull and Mercedes onto Ferrari and leclerc. The points lost are actually quite a bit higher. Hope Matt sees this to really crush him😅
Part 2 at end of season, just maybe?
When Mat analyses hungary you cam hear the frustration in his voice breaking through xD
Really interesting thought exercise. Although seasons are rarely perfect, it's the ones where they make the wrong call - GB, Hungary, Monaco that hurt the most.
They're going to end up losing a whole lot more since Binotto claims that strategy has not been a problem for them, and they've made no wrong decisions so far this season...at this rate I'm almost willing to bet that Leclerc will leave Ferrari before his contract is up, and make a jump to any team he feels he can at least trust to not actively screw him over.
In contrast, EL Plan looses no points
6:14 Nice background of Canada in Baku 😂😂😂
10:06 would have loved to see it on those 3 categories how it is for each driver. Like how many points each for strategy/reliability/driver error.
Do we get to do that with every other team, too? Even RB?
How many points will Ferrari lose in the second part of the season? Yes. 🏁
im impressed some of you can even keep track. i forget what happened in a race by the next race weekend
In another universe, they won these points and Matt is screaming with joy instead of pain 🤪
Really good video again!
With Mercedes finally finding some pace and Red Bull being pretty consistent as of late, I predict Ferrari comes 3rd in the constructors at this point.
i do wish seb comes in as a helper like michael did, and who knows maybe they can win something again.. only to not win for the next 15 years again:p
I half expected a mid-video ad break for "this video is brought to you by PAIN".
I was walking at night alone and that thunder effect from monaco made me jump.
Let's not forgot Charles has had 3 DNFs and Max has basically had 2.
The disparity in points is mostly down to mistakes and poor strategy, all Ferrari and or Charles fault.
"How many more do you think they'll lose in the second half?" No regard for human life with the savagery there
I think reliability related loss of points were to be expected, since the team made a deliberate choice to make a fast PU and then sort out reliability as they are allowed to do under the rules. That goes for both teams, but it's still a massive point swing related to team and driver errors
every video is just superb!
Fp1 did this video already a week ago.
I'm sorry Matt, but Ferrari's losses here are even worse than you laid out. Points aren't awarded in isolation, when Leclerc DNFs from the lead and Verstappen wins, Leclerc doesn't just lose 25 points, he also gifts that additional 7 points to Verstappen who would have finished 2nd otherwise, for a total loss of 32 points.
Yeah your way is correct when you count how many points did lecrec lose compared to max. But matt is only counting points lecrec lost on his own, not the comparison.
He isnt giftig it to Max still needs to perform and be there. When max wasnt there in silverstone did Charles get those 7 extra points? No its a skill to be even close enouth to Profit
Well said and 100% right NHXII! 👍👍
"How many more you think they'll lose in the second half?" is such a hilarious way to end the video.
In a parallel universe this video would be 2 minutes long
Man when you put it this way it's even more heartbreaking
At this point it’s not even frustrating, it’s just plain funny 😂
2022 is all about Matt’s rage
This is so dreadful that you would almost think that there's some Italian mafia betting scheme involved here. At least that would make for a good movie.
Interesting video and I agree 95% with your calculation
Whoever got that picture of Sainz in the gravel in Australia did a beautiful job.
i suggest to do a counter video like "how many points have redbull actually lost" just to be clear to every scenario
I would love to see the adjusted standings with all these changes
Watching Red Bull win is a really good thing to watch happen to me this season. But watching Ferrari being Ferrari kinda balances it out cause god it's so heartwrenching hearing and seeing Leclerc in pain.
It feels like Matt is doing some kind of self therapy with the last videos 🤣
Can't believe this!! Speechless!!
i thought the thunder in minute 4 was real even it was sunny at my place :)
“How many more do you think they’re going to lose in the second half” lmao being a Ferrari fan is so tough
Now we want same video about Red Bull :)
The balance between coping and self loathing is a delicate but well tread line
Realistically, only strategy errors should be counted. A car failure is a car failure and it is a part of the package. Driver errors are on drivers. So, realistically, due to Ferrari strategy, Leclerc lost about 50 points to Max,including the points swing.
You forgot about Sainz in Canada, he was faster then Verstappen but his own errors and hesitance lost him the race
I’m not even half way through this video and I’m categorically furious ! I’ve never wanted to scream and cry so much at the same time.
I would be nice to know how many point on average a team is “allowed” to lose and yet walk way with the title
Nice! Now do Red Bull next!
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“Here’s a video I made to answer my own questions every time I go to sleep at night.”
If Perez and Russel overtakes Leclerc in WDC and Merc overtakes Ferrari in WCC, I think Matt will implode.
Matty, please STOP THE PAIN. We Ferrari fans have suffered enough through the first half of the season. Its been hard to recover from the blunders the team had
if someone told me leclerc would be 80 points behind max at the summer break after 3 races i would not believe it at all
Can you make a video showing all the hypothetical point scenarios that Leclerc would need to have a title battle at the end of the season
That's an easy one. If Charles wins everything (including the sprint race) and gets the fastest lap every time, and Verstappen would finish second every time, they would make up 73 points, not enough. So basically Verstappen would need to loose 7 more points somewhere. Couple of third places or lower is enough. If you take that as a base line, you can then say that whenever they fail to make up 8 points to Verstappen, the difference in points is what Verstappen needs to loose extra.
Please make one about Red Bull for a comparison!
Matt's chewing Cope-n-hader a lot over the summer break
at the end the driver error comparrison got me like :o leclerc made kinda many mistakes
Do the same for Red Bull please, maybe all the teams, race by race, that was totally awesome and fair enough. Cheers 👍
Correct me if I'm wrong but if u want calculate the hypothetical points Leclerc lost due to reliability and strategy then u must also take into account Max finishing P2 (18 pts) with Charles P1 (25 pts) so that would be a net gain of 7 points give or take which isn't = 125
Experts in gripping defeat from the clutches of victory.
The key thing is You not gaining points means Your direct rivals gain more which... Yeah, makes the real numbers probably much higher, even if we give ourselfs some margin of error, in that some races could go slightly worse that predicted here, but I think it's all very fair. Oh, and that applies to the fastest laps as well.
At 7:27 you can see crease lines on their faces, presumably from the protective layer they wear under their helmets
without the lost points we would have actually had an interesting championship battle this year
Can anyone tell me whats the song in the background, thx. Great video btw
What's not even considered in this video is the amount of points Verstappen wouldn't have gotten if ferrari had his stuff in order. Leclerc could have been championship leader even if you don't count the points lost by unreliability issues.
Agreed people are pointing to Charles mistakes but with good strategy itself Charles could have won few more races ( Monaco , silverstone possibly Hungary) which means he would have 12+12 + 17 ie 41 points which is 178+ 41 = 219 with his two errors max would have scored same in Monaco and silverstone but would not have won Hungary so assuming p2 in Hungary he would be at 251 the gap would have been just 32 points
I look back to last year when they were not contenders. This year has had a rush with the "Give me - Take away" that has been Ferrari. They can not take away the speed of car or team and once you are a contender the game changes and that's what I am thankful for. I raced Dirt Track motorcycles for a number of years and it was a couple before I won one, after that racing was never the same. Just being there is more fun when you are in it to win it .
so this vid is about losses , and 2022 is not over yet... what a list..
in Spain Leclerc was in P1 when he dropped out and lost 25 points. but they also gave verstappen 7 points by promoting him from P2 to P1.
so the total is 32.
it's not hard to calculate that right.
The first few minutes were fine, but as the video progressed, it started to hurt XD