“One thing that we have learned is that piracy is not a pricing issue. It’s a service issue. The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting anti-piracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates.” - Gabe Newell
I've maintained for years that Sony's anti-piracy measures helped kill the Vita. If they didn't use those stupid proprietary memory cards, more people would have bought a Vita. They were so desperate to stop piracy that they alienated millions of potential legitimate purchasers.
Haven't read that quote before of his before. I never looked at it that way. A service is to be appreciated and must satisfy the needs of both the customer and business establishment.
Just wanted to say I've watched you for 10 years, and it is still great to see you making content. Thanks for being part of the wider message in telling Sony what we thought to force this u-turn.
Thats so true, so many early gaming youtubers have left or abandoned the scene since they can't compete with streamers but wow...I have been watching this channel since I was a child! Its so odd. In a comforting way.
Game preservation should rank up there with film preservation. The Smithsonian should catalogue a gem like The Nail Gun Massacre right along with Action 52.
They definitely need to do more: allow us to buy online for one, sort the store out so everything is visible without having to use the search bar (many games are hidden unless you search). And obviously the very very best thing they could do is bring the stores to the PS5 and the PS4.
@@MetalJesusRocks Me too. I even bought hydrophobia prophecy after putting it in and out of my basket for the last decade lmao. Impending doom is a great strategy to make money.
Yep. Unless you jailbreak your 'all digital' console... expect that one day, you will lose access to all of those games you paid good money for. And for no real reason. Crazy indeed.
@@DJ_Dopamine Sony themselves said the PSN shutdown wouldn't revoke access to purchased games as long as your PS3 and it's hard drive remain functional you can play your downloaded games forever same with a disc system. If you're referring to CMOS how is having to jailbreak a digital console to keep it working after Sony abandons it different from having to buy an aftermarket party power supply for systems like the SNES that used non standard cables from guys like Hyperkin? In either case you're relying on a 3rd party to solve planned obsolescence.
Another thing is that it's incredibly hypocritical of them to basically say: "Hey, physical games are old hat. They're so NINETIES! Just download them instead! Easy as 1-2-3, and you don't have to have them cluttering up your apartment!" and then at the same time tell you what you can and can't download.
Nah😔 this whole "good-faith" heelspin to keep the stores open is just a deflection and the bit of good press Sony wants to maintain their shitty DRM policy in place in all their systems. This is why people are better off installing custom firmware in every system they can. You own the system you should also own your physical copies of games too. Insane that this is an issue on PS4!
@@klenchr3621 Cmos is fine as it lasts long , but you still need to change it at some point. The problem is how Sony has done their consols sofware to work without cmos
It's not exactly an issue but more like an anti-hack system. So don't expect this to be removed any time soon. It prevents hackers from using fake system time and date to exploit time limited services such as Plus and Now. The one who discovered this "issue" is a hacker.
I feel like Playstation would get more bang for their buck if they did ANYTHING with the ps3 store. There were a few DLCs that I never had a chance to play that I would gladly purchase, but not at full price.
I guess you're lucky the DLCs are even still there. I remember how Polyphony Digital cut distribution of all DLC for Gran Turismo 6 and I presume by extension Gran Turismo 5 as well when online services for both games were cut.
@@BlueChinchillaEatingDorito that’s a bummer! It’s my fault for waiting until this point, but it sucks that there are DLCs out there full price for 10+ year old games. At least some are starting to get remastered or ported to newer systems.
@@conservativestrawman9837 that’s a fair argument. I don’t expect Sony to be in the business of losing money, but yes, something like combining stores or something would make complete sense! Cuts costs and improved efficiency!
Conspiracy: They never actually intended to close the store They were banking on people panic buying It was also a test to see what games they could remaster and assuredly people will buy
I ran out and bought a PS3 and Vita specifically because they were shutting down the stores. I’m happy I have more time to actually go through the stores and find stuff to get
But there is the issue of scummy scalpers who will drive physical prices up which encourages people to turn to piracy more often. Yes Digital games have their issues but I would rather have fast and cheaper access to these games rather than rob the bank for just one game. Also most physical games don't have much when it comes to presentation besides just having a good front boxart print, the case and the cartridge/disc. Sadly for about over a decade back covers of game boxes have been getting shit on with legal text or just details that aren't captivating to the casual viewer or someone who just loves a good visual hook to play the game.
Annoyingly not every game gets a physical version. Which is a shame as some digital only games are every bit as deserving of a hard copy as the aaa games are. Even so i refuse to financially support digital content. Although i have no issues aquiring it by less than legitimate means.
@@Belkan2087 some of those games should be even less. US$60.00 for NBA2018? Sports games don’t hold price well, FIFA games of the previous year you can get used for 1/5 of their price for example. Most of those games are barely selling anymore, some of them have superior remastered versions on newer consoles, they should really drop prices, they would make less money per unit, but the higher sales would quickly compensate. Most PS2 games are $9.99, and that’s not bad, but I’m being selective with what I’m buying, if they were $5.99 like the PS1 titles or $5 on everything ps1 and ps2 preferably, I would buy loads more
Bingo! It even looks silly when comparing PS3 and PS Vita game prices with PS4 and PS5 titles. It's just like if an outlet store would try to sell a TV or a smartphone which is already 4-14 years old for the full retail price. Did someone simply forgot to put new price labels on this stuff? It's ridiculous...
I finally bought a PS3 back in early 2017 and was blown away by how great the sales were for digital PS3 games back then. I loaded up on so many games I missed from that gen, since I was a 360 gamer then. But jeez, the good PS3 sale prices ended that summer and have never been seen again.
Absolutely agree. As a PS + user who's been on it since the beginning and never missed adding anything and have purchased a fair amount too, my download list is ridiculously long. They also really need improve the usability of the download lists for PS3/PSP/Vita. Better searching and filtering, and bring back the ability to do it from a web browser on a PC.
This is the 2nd best video I've seen on this subject. All they are doing is resetting the clock. They still haven't addressed the bigger problems which you have brought up. They don't care about preservation. They saw the sales of Vita and PS3 go up suddenly and that's why they're keeping the stores open.
The only way to save PS3 and PS Vita store is that people keep buying games, otherwise the stores will probably close next year and complaints will do nothing.
I've never looked at it like that when comparing games to other media. You're right. It's no different in playing classic games and listening or watching classic movies
I suspect that didn't rile up the public because we still have access to the recorded music... but Artists were rightfully pissed because those original master recordings are gone forever. Incredibly sad.
Sony needs to move the catalogs over the PS4/PS5 store and let users store PS3/PSP/Vita games over to portable hdd's. Sony could also solve the CMOS problem with a firmware update. If not, I could see a class action lawsuit happening.
Do you realize that this is a marketing stunt, they didn't want to close the stores in the first place, they did this just to increase sales, people bought a lot of games in short period of time...
@@JohnSmith-el1ct I don't think so. They genuinely wanted to shut the PS3 servers down, but everyone's panic saw an increase in sales. Keeping the stores open is just their knee jerk reaction to this.
@@JohnSmith-el1ct I mean they are still closing the PSP store. All of these online stores close eventually and it is about that time. Nintendo is already shutting down the 3DS and WiiU stores in South America so it makes sense that it's close for Sony to be doing that here as well. It's all relative based on current sales, and when these things close they expect to get more sales, but that doesn't make it a marketing stunt. If anything it was a stunt for good PR that they listened to the fans and kept things around longer. However I still think they wanted to shut things down and move on.
Thanks Mr. Jesus. It's because of creators like you, who represent us, that Sony was able to listen and know that we still care about preserving the past.
Yeah, let's put games that didn't profit enough to keep online but since a small loud vocal minority cries due to Xbox marketing propaganda and put the games even cheaper for this small % of gamers. Ppl like you are the worst. They speak about supporting Devs but never buy a game on day one or at full price. Such hypocrisy from gamers like you with your illogical selfish lines of thought. You give 0 F's about these Devs. You just care about saving money and havng as many games as you can with the little money you want to spend on gaming. So pathetic imo
@@davelloyd820 There are literally thousands of games and even more pieces of DLC on the Ps3/Vita store. To expect me to buy every release on day 1 is foolish and unrealistic. Not to mention that not all games are of the same quality or of high priority so its reasonable to hold out buying something until its WORTH the money to you. This argument can be used for ANY consumer industry. Ive already spent many thousands on gaming, mostly going to Sony so I'm not just taking without giving. The fact is that Sony had devalued the games on the store to the point that they thought they werent worth selling. If that's the case then what's the harm in activating a big sale? its digital goods after all and only positive for sony.
I'm glad you mentioned they need to do more. The CMOS battery is still an issue in the hardware and this is a bandaid. I really appreciate they went back on their decision but we still need a better customer experience from them. Good on you for not cutting them more slack than they deserve
I'd like to reply to my own comment and mention I see you got the error code too! Would you mind explaining how you got around it? I can't purchase anything! 🤣
As for the CMOS, that is one of the reasons i find my self disillusioned with modern gaming. I understand that steps have to be taken against piracy, but we spend all this money on games (even digital, that charge you the same price, where we should get a discount for not having manufacturing, shipping, etc., that a physical copy carries!) and consoles that are never truly ours. We seem to rent them now. Like most things nowadays on EVERYTHING. This is how they can still re-sell old games, all about the $$$ in the end. Also on the online network memberships (Xbox & PS). What if I'm tired of listening to little kids talk about my mother and would like to play single/story mode. With C-19 people lost their jobs, can't afford to play online. Why does my game have to log on to verify to let me play? I used (past tense) MS office, because I bought and used it for personal stuff (to make recipes, lists, littler stuff). Last year, with a MS windows update they took it away from me. Classy.
This is an important and huge video. Thanks for making it. We must fight and do what we can for game preservation. I'm really glad they aren't closing it down....yet.
I guess the day that big companies' heads finally REALLY understand the importance and relevance of old games, old music and old movies have for people today, things will start to change. Also, online stores and digital copies are increasingly showing the importance of physical media. I hope that the physical media market never dies, otherwise, we will always be at mercy of the fact that online stores can be closed at any time because they are no longer financially interesting for companies.
4:00 - It COULD be the same, if Sony would put full, real backwards compatibility in their consoles instead of the garbage attempt we have now. But the PS4 can only play the older games that are on its store and the PS5 easily has the power to play everything before it, but Sony chose not to include it-even as a premium option.
*sees video: Ahhh ok MJR is gonna go to bat for PSP fans! *first 60 seconds of video: "PSP shop still leaving, we all saw this coming, moving on. *me: 😑
I agree with pretty much everything you've said there. Vety good point about music and movies and how there'd be uproar if vast swathes of those were suddenly made unavailable forever overnight. Hoping that the next announcement might be about solving the battery/online authentication issue.
Ah, the Vita memory card... The arsenic that slowly killed the Vita. So unfortunate, I love that system. Aside from that, I still think it was the perfect handheld, ahead of its time.
What you said about music and movie catalogue titles is something I never thought about, and I haven't seen anyone else mention. Thanks for sharing this. I agree it's not 100% the same thing, but it's a checkmate right there.
I mean, the CBo0MB problem is real, if they don't fix it there is a problem. This "heard" the backslash sounds like PR stuff to promote the store and peace the fandom. They didn't fix a thing, just postpone the damage.
Given the massive loss of good will and the new wave of console piracy this will usher in... I'd say you are 100% wrong. Especially as Microsoft are doing a much better job of preserving the legacy of OG Xbox/360/XB1 games in terms of back-compat and online gaming/store access. It costs peanuts to keep the PS3/Vita/PSP stores up in 2021. I doubt very much that the running costs are not fully covered by the (albeit) modest game sales revenues.
@@MetalJesusRocks That's one of my favorites by them, Acid Bubble and Last of My Kind are some of the best. My personal favorite record by them is their self titled for songs like Grind, Frogs and Over Now
Honestly I like that you didn't have the intro on this video, it was more straight to the point, and I personally think you should remaster the intro, I feel like the tone could be better and beefier. Needs a nice mix and master.
I really appreciate what your doing. I am an avid game collector also. These games are not just history they are memories. I want them to be able to be enjoyed by future generations to come.
Yes, we NEED an end of life update. I truly believe it can happen if we make ourselves heard. I'm glad to see a lot of bigger name RUclipsrs covering this topic. It could seriously tarnish Sony's reputation if people realize these consoles are becoming glorified game 'rental' machines, so to speak.
Thank you for bringing light to the CMOS battery issue. I hope and pray that ALL video game channels make a video on this, thus forcing SONY to do something! Your idea on the console end of life (eol) firmware update is fantastic and I hope that others will champion the idea too.
@@ultraspinalki11 hen is great for starters it gets you simple homebrew and is available on any ps3. CFW you have a limited amount of ps3s you can perform and it just does more and play more than hen. I suggest doing hen first
@@somespoiledfanboy Thank you so much. A few final questions: 1. Do both hacks allow you to ignore the internal clock issue that prevents you from playing digital games? 2. Can you hack with CFW even after you've applied "Hen" on the same console? 3. Which guide did you follow or recommend to hack your console? 4. Any website you recommend to download ps3 games, including digitally exclusive games (example, SF3 online edition, Hard Corps Uprising, etc).
I'm glad you asked all very good questions. 1: that's to be determined tho there's probably better odds the flow or the rebug team or whoever will find a workaround before Sony gets around to it. 2: yes 3: check out Mr Mario's guides here on youtube. Very clear, thorough and cringeless tutorials on how to setup your systems with whatever your ps3 is capable of running. If you got a fat ps3 or an early slim you can install cfw. The slim 2 and ps3s marked cech3000 are only capable of running hen. 4: there are sites. Check out reddit and their ps3 homebrew pages for answers. All I wanna say is that there are two really awesome sites that allow you to download ps3 and Vita content straight from the Sony servers to your PC. There are even apps that allow you to download and install right inside your console from the Sony servers. Highly recommended to do your hw as the ps3 is my favourite system period and having it running unlocked firmware is eye opening. @UltraspinalKI
I'm so glad us gamers have people like you and reggie and many others as our voice on social media to help push forward the preservation of these amazing games!
“An error has occurred” what I did to fix it was account management > system activation > PS3 system > game > activate system I’m sure it’s multiple ways to fix the problem but this was a quick fix for me and never had another problem checking out on ps store
The first one we got listened to big time was when we fought to get the design for Sonic changed in the movie, now we've done this! Proving we do have a voice and we will be listened to, so what's next on our agenda? 🤔 🙂
Maybe you could try and convince the American government that bombing other countries you are not at war with and killing civilians is called terrorism.
Sony probably got enough money to keep the stores running for a while longer but like you said, they will go away sooner or later. If only they cared about backwards compatibility like Xbox’s does, which is why I love my Series X.
Xbox has an even more serious issue with its DRM with its initial setup you need an internet connection to put an account onto the machine no way to add an offline account so if servers go we are stuck with a worse issue than the PlayStation #CBOMB issue but I do see it this way though even if Xbox left the console market I'm sure we would be able to pull are accounts from there servers as Microsoft will be around for many years to come and out live any of us
It won't play every old xbox game. I thought the same thing and bought Nfl Street 2 and Nba Street. Neither is compatible . They don't even work on my Xbox type S either 😒
@@spursdynasty7378 there is pros and cons to both platforms it's just Xbox does a better job at backcompat covering 4 generations and if you have the disc that is a supported game you can play it no purchase needed sadly with PlayStation you have to buy all those PS1, PS2 games regardless if you own the game or not. As like Xbox PlayStation does not have full backwards compatibility with PS1 and PS2 library and as we all know 0 backcompat PS3 games unless you sign-up to PS Now.
@@spursdynasty7378 true, the Series X is not fully backwards compatible but it sure is a hell of a lot more than the PS5 and in time they could add more. I have a bunch of 360 games that I can actually play on my Series X. Not to mention Microsoft is even adding FPS boosts to older games.
Oh yeah a big middle finger to sony and to them because they where starting to raise the prices like crazy, guess what? I would not need you or videogames anymore, thank you sony you made me open my eyes and now i am free of consumism.
There's one big fix for all these issues: backward compatibility. I know, licenses would prevent a large amount of games to take the leap, but just having the chance to keep your 1st party games and the best from 3rd parties, from ps1 to ps5 or whatever console comes next would be amazing.
I think he means that the PSX was a console that played ps1 and ps2 discs. PS1 was released in 1995, PS2 was released in 2000, and PSX launched in 2003 and only in Japan. That said You can buy a PS1 for like $40, they're less than the price of a new game.
@@Aragorn7884 I'm JM with ya. I love my ps1 discs, but I swapped out my laser for an xstation ODE. All games on sd card playing on original hardware. Rip your game collection, put it on the sd card and game on!
Great video. I agree w/the Vita storage issue. That adapter is awesome! I would also like the ability to create dedicated servers so I can play my older games online w/friends.
Whenever your digital store is low in sales, let the people think it's going to be taken down soon. I'm sure it was the money that they recently got that changed their minds.
Game preservation is of paramount importance to me as a 30+yr gamer with multiple decades of games that should be available to go back to whenever and be passed on. This recent retro surge is all the proof you need to see that ... Games and consoles are works of art that have become very much a part of our history and who we are, and they need to be treated accordingly... Not to mention the amount of money, passion, time, and sheer numbers of people it takes to create some of these works of art... Only to have them be a limited time availability?! It's ridiculous! Gaming has gotten to the point where it's just as big and impactful as movies, music, and any other forms of entertainment. Arguably more so in a lot of cases. Every title, down to the crappy 0.99¢ eshop games should be fully preserved. Like I said, they're not just games anymore, they're a part of our history and who we are. Where we've been and where we're going... These companies need to be pushed into prioritizing this. They need to treat these games with the respect they deserve... The arrangement is they give us what we want and we give them our money! Well, Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo... Full game preservation is what we want!! Get it done!!
A very loud minority. I just think they do not want people spreading more false rumors on social paranoia. It can get out of control quickly. Only a very few really care for PS3 games actually, I am pretty sure. The store was dead for a couple of years, people moved on. I visit it regularly and there was no update for 2 or more years.
@@Ardonn Local Multiplayer pretty much dead since ps3 era due to online only multiplayer, (as of this reply) Ps4 can't play physical or digital games if the battery dies and your offline. Digital only releases once the store shut down no legal way to own them.
Here's a wild idea. Let's put the PS1 games on the PS4/PS5 store. Because you know. They definitely would NOT sell like hotcakes, and I specifically WOULDN'T spend a bunch of money repurchasing my favorite games. ...no? Okay, then. Nevermind. -.-
"It voids your warranty" 1 - By time opening up the system is necessary it is 'probably' outside of warranty period already. 2 - Opening a device does not void the warranty no matter what a sticker or otherwise states. This is against the law - see the 'Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act'. Also see various right to repair movements such as 'Fight to Repair'
Back in the day Microsoft said that they would likely push an update to Windows XP when it reached the end of its life to remove the activation requirement. It's been 7 years since support ended and you still have to jump through hoops to activate it. Though I think it's the most ethical thing to do to remove all DRM from something once you're no longer going to support it, unfortunately that means spending time and resources which these companies just aren't going to do no matter how much the public begs them to.
MJR could you put in the video description a list of the games that you showed footage for? Some of those driving and RPG games looked great. Would love to add them to the backlog...
Thank you again for another great video. I'm a little late to the party, I somehow missed this one. Your footage is always great and as in most of your videos, I don't know all the games shown. Thanks to you I learned to love shoot 'em ups, but haven't played all the good ones yet. Can you please tell me, what game is played at 11:57. The following Platformer at 12:02 looks also pretty nice.
The legality of it has been covered. Basically they can't be sued for money, but maybe for them to fix the issue. I think the real issue would be players abandoning them in droves to Xbox
Yeah. I was finally going to bite the bullet and buy a lot of vita titles on the Christmas holiday sale because I figured they were going to close the store soon but there was no christmas sale. At least we got an extension.
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“One thing that we have learned is that piracy is not a pricing issue.
It’s a service issue. The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting anti-piracy technology
to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what
they’re receiving from the pirates.” - Gabe Newell
I've maintained for years that Sony's anti-piracy measures helped kill the Vita. If they didn't use those stupid proprietary memory cards, more people would have bought a Vita. They were so desperate to stop piracy that they alienated millions of potential legitimate purchasers.
You can't beat free, piracy will always be abundant
That doesn’t make sense since Steam and Valve games are being downloaded by the hundreds of thousands on torrent sites.
Haven't read that quote before of his before. I never looked at it that way. A service is to be appreciated and must satisfy the needs of both the customer and business establishment.
But still, most people on pc dont pay for anything.
It always shocks me to see old sports games that are dirt cheap physically still at full retail price digitally.
Just wanted to say I've watched you for 10 years, and it is still great to see you making content. Thanks for being part of the wider message in telling Sony what we thought to force this u-turn.
Thats so true, so many early gaming youtubers have left or abandoned the scene since they can't compete with streamers but wow...I have been watching this channel since I was a child! Its so odd. In a comforting way.
Especially Vita content!
Game preservation should rank up there with film preservation. The Smithsonian should catalogue a gem like The Nail Gun Massacre right along with Action 52.
No more Alice in Chains would be devastating
THIS 👆
Alice in chains? 👀👀👀
@@MetalJesusRocks what ps3 model do you use frequently?
I love Alice In Chains but Sony closing AC/DC albums would be heartbreaking. :(
I don't even want to think about that!
They definitely need to do more: allow us to buy online for one, sort the store out so everything is visible without having to use the search bar (many games are hidden unless you search). And obviously the very very best thing they could do is bring the stores to the PS5 and the PS4.
Basically Jim Ryan saw the huge surge in sales from people desperately trying to buy games and dlc before it closed. Money always talks.
I know I put money into my PlayStation wallet for the first time in about a year
@@MetalJesusRocks Me too. I even bought hydrophobia prophecy after putting it in and out of my basket for the last decade lmao. Impending doom is a great strategy to make money.
@@botheredbiskit did you buy Hannah Montana as well?
@@starxhilmie was so close, but I went with Amy instead.
I spent £200 in like 3 days
Red flags all over this subject and now that Sony has shown its hand we've all been warned.
Yep. Unless you jailbreak your 'all digital' console... expect that one day, you will lose access to all of those games you paid good money for. And for no real reason. Crazy indeed.
@@DJ_Dopamine Sony themselves said the PSN shutdown wouldn't revoke access to purchased games as long as your PS3 and it's hard drive remain functional you can play your downloaded games forever same with a disc system.
If you're referring to CMOS how is having to jailbreak a digital console to keep it working after Sony abandons it different from having to buy an aftermarket party power supply for systems like the SNES that used non standard cables from guys like Hyperkin?
In either case you're relying on a 3rd party to solve planned obsolescence.
@@AxeCrazyAutobot I'm quite thankful for the extremely smart men and women from third parties that will solve our planned obsolescence issues.
Another thing is that it's incredibly hypocritical of them to basically say: "Hey, physical games are old hat. They're so NINETIES! Just download them instead! Easy as 1-2-3, and you don't have to have them cluttering up your apartment!" and then at the same time tell you what you can and can't download.
Other people will always tell you what you can and cannot play, unless you can develop your own games or game system.
You are absolutely correct, that is a great comparison of Music/Movies to games.
Yes. I would argue that games are every bit as important to gamers as movies are to movie fans possibly more.
Sony "looking into" the CMOS issue is a start. Hopefully they can get around to addressing it before it's too late.
Nah😔 this whole "good-faith" heelspin to keep the stores open is just a deflection and the bit of good press Sony wants to maintain their shitty DRM policy in place in all their systems. This is why people are better off installing custom firmware in every system they can. You own the system you should also own your physical copies of games too. Insane that this is an issue on PS4!
Yup there is still time!
Building a kill switch is inexcusable. Did any manufacturer in the 80s do this? If not, what has changed about our culture to think it is ok?
@@klenchr3621 Cmos is fine as it lasts long , but you still need to change it at some point. The problem is how Sony has done their consols sofware to work without cmos
It's not exactly an issue but more like an anti-hack system. So don't expect this to be removed any time soon. It prevents hackers from using fake system time and date to exploit time limited services such as Plus and Now. The one who discovered this "issue" is a hacker.
Good to hear Sony is looking into the CMOS issue. That makes me hopeful that they will make a patch.
If they know what's good for them they better. Or else I will never buy another Sony system again. You would be stupid to do so.
Patch a server?
Sadly still waiting
I feel like Playstation would get more bang for their buck if they did ANYTHING with the ps3 store. There were a few DLCs that I never had a chance to play that I would gladly purchase, but not at full price.
I guess you're lucky the DLCs are even still there. I remember how Polyphony Digital cut distribution of all DLC for Gran Turismo 6 and I presume by extension Gran Turismo 5 as well when online services for both games were cut.
@@BlueChinchillaEatingDorito that’s a bummer! It’s my fault for waiting until this point, but it sucks that there are DLCs out there full price for 10+ year old games. At least some are starting to get remastered or ported to newer systems.
@@conservativestrawman9837 that’s a fair argument. I don’t expect Sony to be in the business of losing money, but yes, something like combining stores or something would make complete sense! Cuts costs and improved efficiency!
Nice of you for bringing this to attention, thx
Conspiracy:
They never actually intended to close the store
They were banking on people panic buying
It was also a test to see what games they could remaster and assuredly people will buy
That’s very good reasoning. Brilliant even. There’s probably more to this but you’re probably right.
There’s always a a scam hidden beaneath the bs
Agreed
Smart move by sony. Now we need them to fix the internal clock sync when the cmos battery dies
I really don't think that anyone would disagree that if that was their plan then they would have waited until closer to the set deadline.
I ran out and bought a PS3 and Vita specifically because they were shutting down the stores. I’m happy I have more time to actually go through the stores and find stuff to get
Me too! I just bought a Vita last year!
Just bought a PSP and a PS2 to build my collection. Happy the Ps3 let's you download games to the PSP.
and then your Cmos dies after many years and there is no more online store
Still you guys should not forget that PS3 and Vita stores will not last forever, so hurry up and get the games you like the most.
@@danielgomez7236 Yes
i dont like digital if theres a physical version
But there is the issue of scummy scalpers who will drive physical prices up which encourages people to turn to piracy more often.
Yes Digital games have their issues but I would rather have fast and cheaper access to these games rather than rob the bank for just one game.
Also most physical games don't have much when it comes to presentation besides just having a good front boxart print, the case and the cartridge/disc.
Sadly for about over a decade back covers of game boxes have been getting shit on with legal text or just details that aren't captivating to the casual viewer or someone who just loves a good visual hook to play the game.
Annoyingly not every game gets a physical version. Which is a shame as some digital only games are every bit as deserving of a hard copy as the aaa games are. Even so i refuse to financially support digital content. Although i have no issues aquiring it by less than legitimate means.
I hate when games come out as digital only : /
Digital is more convenient
The problem is that physical is now glorified installation discs with all the patches.
I agree, there is still so much work left to do!
Now we need SALES!❤️ Please Sony please!!! MetalJesus be our voices!
Hopefully they make sales, especially on the VITA !!
Sales? They need to cut the price in half of everything.
@@Belkan2087 some of those games should be even less. US$60.00 for NBA2018? Sports games don’t hold price well, FIFA games of the previous year you can get used for 1/5 of their price for example. Most of those games are barely selling anymore, some of them have superior remastered versions on newer consoles, they should really drop prices, they would make less money per unit, but the higher sales would quickly compensate. Most PS2 games are $9.99, and that’s not bad, but I’m being selective with what I’m buying, if they were $5.99 like the PS1 titles or $5 on everything ps1 and ps2 preferably, I would buy loads more
@@Belkan2087 LOL I thought this was about software preservation?
Bingo! It even looks silly when comparing PS3 and PS Vita game prices with PS4 and PS5 titles. It's just like if an outlet store would try to sell a TV or a smartphone which is already 4-14 years old for the full retail price. Did someone simply forgot to put new price labels on this stuff? It's ridiculous...
I finally bought a PS3 back in early 2017 and was blown away by how great the sales were for digital PS3 games back then. I loaded up on so many games I missed from that gen, since I was a 360 gamer then. But jeez, the good PS3 sale prices ended that summer and have never been seen again.
As Olivia Newton John sang, “let’s get physical, physical, let me hear your cd-rom talk”
😂
@@MetalJesusRocks you fancied her too then?
Olivia was the bees knees in Grease and Xanadu 😉
@@MetalJesusRocks i didn't know she was in xanadu. Cool. I like that game!!!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 best comment.
I dropped money on all the games I wanted to buy on PSN, and as soon as I did that, they changed their mind. YOU GOT ME SONY!
Absolutely agree. As a PS + user who's been on it since the beginning and never missed adding anything and have purchased a fair amount too, my download list is ridiculously long. They also really need improve the usability of the download lists for PS3/PSP/Vita. Better searching and filtering, and bring back the ability to do it from a web browser on a PC.
"save the terrible games" - aw, how nice. MJR always caring about the AVGN ♥️
I try
And you succeed! :)
@@PSVitaat2am you're here😳
I can hear AVGN in the distance
AAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
This is the 2nd best video I've seen on this subject. All they are doing is resetting the clock. They still haven't addressed the bigger problems which you have brought up. They don't care about preservation. They saw the sales of Vita and PS3 go up suddenly and that's why they're keeping the stores open.
The only way to save PS3 and PS Vita store is that people keep buying games, otherwise the stores will probably close next year and complaints will do nothing.
Link to your favourite on the subject?
I've never looked at it like that when comparing games to other media. You're right. It's no different in playing classic games and listening or watching classic movies
"People would be throwing a fit!"
Yet so many didnt notice the universal studios fire....
I suspect that didn't rile up the public because we still have access to the recorded music... but Artists were rightfully pissed because those original master recordings are gone forever. Incredibly sad.
@@MetalJesusRocks
Truth
I'm fairly certain a good amount of films were lost as well
Sony needs to move the catalogs over the PS4/PS5 store and let users store PS3/PSP/Vita games over to portable hdd's. Sony could also solve the CMOS problem with a firmware update. If not, I could see a class action lawsuit happening.
We may have won this battle, but the war still rages on.
Do you realize that this is a marketing stunt, they didn't want to close the stores in the first place, they did this just to increase sales, people bought a lot of games in short period of time...
@@JohnSmith-el1ct I don't think so. They genuinely wanted to shut the PS3 servers down, but everyone's panic saw an increase in sales. Keeping the stores open is just their knee jerk reaction to this.
@@JohnSmith-el1ct I mean they are still closing the PSP store. All of these online stores close eventually and it is about that time. Nintendo is already shutting down the 3DS and WiiU stores in South America so it makes sense that it's close for Sony to be doing that here as well. It's all relative based on current sales, and when these things close they expect to get more sales, but that doesn't make it a marketing stunt. If anything it was a stunt for good PR that they listened to the fans and kept things around longer. However I still think they wanted to shut things down and move on.
sony just wanted your money :(
Hyperbolism anyone?
Thanks Mr. Jesus. It's because of creators like you, who represent us, that Sony was able to listen and know that we still care about preserving the past.
Now we need a fire sale as an apology.
If not an apology, then at least a thank you for our continued loyalty. Because I am loyal, have been from a young age.
Yeah, let's put games that didn't profit enough to keep online but since a small loud vocal minority cries due to Xbox marketing propaganda and put the games even cheaper for this small % of gamers.
Ppl like you are the worst. They speak about supporting Devs but never buy a game on day one or at full price. Such hypocrisy from gamers like you with your illogical selfish lines of thought. You give 0 F's about these Devs. You just care about saving money and havng as many games as you can with the little money you want to spend on gaming. So pathetic imo
The Wii shop closing should have had a fire sale.
@@davelloyd820 So true!!
@@davelloyd820 There are literally thousands of games and even more pieces of DLC on the Ps3/Vita store. To expect me to buy every release on day 1 is foolish and unrealistic. Not to mention that not all games are of the same quality or of high priority so its reasonable to hold out buying something until its WORTH the money to you. This argument can be used for ANY consumer industry. Ive already spent many thousands on gaming, mostly going to Sony so I'm not just taking without giving. The fact is that Sony had devalued the games on the store to the point that they thought they werent worth selling. If that's the case then what's the harm in activating a big sale? its digital goods after all and only positive for sony.
5:58 thank you very much for talking about the CMOS battery issues. :)
I'm glad you mentioned they need to do more. The CMOS battery is still an issue in the hardware and this is a bandaid. I really appreciate they went back on their decision but we still need a better customer experience from them. Good on you for not cutting them more slack than they deserve
I'd like to reply to my own comment and mention I see you got the error code too! Would you mind explaining how you got around it? I can't purchase anything! 🤣
As for the CMOS, that is one of the reasons i find my self disillusioned with modern gaming. I understand that steps have to be taken against piracy, but we spend all this money on games (even digital, that charge you the same price, where we should get a discount for not having manufacturing, shipping, etc., that a physical copy carries!) and consoles that are never truly ours. We seem to rent them now. Like most things nowadays on EVERYTHING. This is how they can still re-sell old games, all about the $$$ in the end. Also on the online network memberships (Xbox & PS). What if I'm tired of listening to little kids talk about my mother and would like to play single/story mode. With C-19 people lost their jobs, can't afford to play online. Why does my game have to log on to verify to let me play?
I used (past tense) MS office, because I bought and used it for personal stuff (to make recipes, lists, littler stuff). Last year, with a MS windows update they took it away from me. Classy.
This is an important and huge video. Thanks for making it. We must fight and do what we can for game preservation. I'm really glad they aren't closing it down....yet.
Thanks to the PS3 community the store will remain in history.
I love the PS3 and will support the store hopefully it will stay forever
@@bsmith1220 lol did you not see the video?
I guess the day that big companies' heads finally REALLY understand the importance and relevance of old games, old music and old movies have for people today, things will start to change. Also, online stores and digital copies are increasingly showing the importance of physical media. I hope that the physical media market never dies, otherwise, we will always be at mercy of the fact that online stores can be closed at any time because they are no longer financially interesting for companies.
4:00 - It COULD be the same, if Sony would put full, real backwards compatibility in their consoles instead of the garbage attempt we have now. But the PS4 can only play the older games that are on its store and the PS5 easily has the power to play everything before it, but Sony chose not to include it-even as a premium option.
*sees video: Ahhh ok MJR is gonna go to bat for PSP fans!
*first 60 seconds of video: "PSP shop still leaving, we all saw this coming, moving on.
*me: 😑
Lol all 10 of you
Thanks for increasing the prices of physical games with your previous videos. Really appreciate it.
I agree with pretty much everything you've said there.
Vety good point about music and movies and how there'd be uproar if vast swathes of those were suddenly made unavailable forever overnight.
Hoping that the next announcement might be about solving the battery/online authentication issue.
They need to leave the PSP store up AND find a way to deal with the CBOMB that they've put in themselves
we need to preserve all the games ESPECIALLY THE BAD ONES
Im okay with that if it means all games get preserved.
In the future only Night trap for the Sega CD will be the only classic game that gets preserved.
I dont know about all that, They need to bury E.T. 6 feet deep...Rest in peace
@@captaininsan0sh0wsn0mercy7 The dev guy literally had within 3 weeks to make the game, he deserves a break lol
Ah, the Vita memory card... The arsenic that slowly killed the Vita. So unfortunate, I love that system. Aside from that, I still think it was the perfect handheld, ahead of its time.
Yup...
Final firmware installments make so much sense I can’t believe it’s not already a thing.
I think they will start becoming a thing because of the CMOS issue garnering a lot of attention lately, thankfully.
What you said about music and movie catalogue titles is something I never thought about, and I haven't seen anyone else mention. Thanks for sharing this. I agree it's not 100% the same thing, but it's a checkmate right there.
or perhaaaaaaaps, this was Sony's way of getting RUclipsrs like your good self to promote a store (that was barely used) for free?!?!?
If that were the case they would not have made it harder to purchase the games.
I mean, the CBo0MB problem is real, if they don't fix it there is a problem.
This "heard" the backslash sounds like PR stuff to promote the store and peace the fandom.
They didn't fix a thing, just postpone the damage.
Dam u just made me think outside the box lol
This is the dumbest hot take
Given the massive loss of good will and the new wave of console piracy this will usher in... I'd say you are 100% wrong.
Especially as Microsoft are doing a much better job of preserving the legacy of OG Xbox/360/XB1 games in terms of back-compat and online gaming/store access.
It costs peanuts to keep the PS3/Vita/PSP stores up in 2021. I doubt very much that the running costs are not fully covered by the (albeit) modest game sales revenues.
A fantastic production, and generated extremely quickly after the news broke. Well done and thanks.
Almost shead a tear when you mentioned Alice in Chains. My favorite Band. You sir have great taste.
I've been listening a lot to their Black Gives Way to Blue (2009) album... really, really good AIC album. I assume you've heard it?
@@MetalJesusRocks That's one of my favorites by them, Acid Bubble and Last of My Kind are some of the best. My personal favorite record by them is their self titled for songs like Grind, Frogs and Over Now
Music & Video Games are awesome. They truly bring people together like no other forms of entertainment.
@@MetalJesusRocks Looking in View is a kickass song
@@MetalJesusRocks if only they'd remaster it and take the compression off. that'd make it a better sounding album.
Metal Jesus in the thumbnail always cracks me up! Keep up the videos MetalJesus!
Good to hear them admit to making a poor decision, but there are so many other poor decisions they need to acknowledge to. It's a start.
So true so true!
Honestly I like that you didn't have the intro on this video, it was more straight to the point, and I personally think you should remaster the intro, I feel like the tone could be better and beefier. Needs a nice mix and master.
Adding backwards compatibility to ps5 will show us they care.
Yeah, from PS1/PSX to the PS4 Pro.
@@Isaac-gh5ku it’s already backwards compatible with the ps4 lol
I really appreciate what your doing. I am an avid game collector also. These games are not just history they are memories. I want them to be able to be enjoyed by future generations to come.
I like the new MJR video presentation/format it is nice 🤘
Glad you like it!
Great video. Great comparison with music archives to video games and its true. We need a standard established for keeping access to games long term
Yes, we NEED an end of life update. I truly believe it can happen if we make ourselves heard. I'm glad to see a lot of bigger name RUclipsrs covering this topic. It could seriously tarnish Sony's reputation if people realize these consoles are becoming glorified game 'rental' machines, so to speak.
lol game rental machines. That is the perfect summary of modern gaming unfortunately.
Also true for PC, should Steam or Epic remove any of their games from their stores then you're doomed unless you get into piracy.
Thank you for bringing light to the CMOS battery issue. I hope and pray that ALL video game channels make a video on this, thus forcing SONY to do something! Your idea on the console end of life (eol) firmware update is fantastic and I hope that others will champion the idea too.
Jim Ryan got a call from Japan then! I have to thank him, it forced me to hack my PS3
May i ask what hack/method you used for your ps3? I heard conflicting arguments regarding a hack called "Hen" and the CFW method.
@@ultraspinalki11 hen is great for starters it gets you simple homebrew and is available on any ps3. CFW you have a limited amount of ps3s you can perform and it just does more and play more than hen. I suggest doing hen first
@@somespoiledfanboy Thank you so much. A few final questions:
1. Do both hacks allow you to ignore the internal clock issue that prevents you from playing digital games?
2. Can you hack with CFW even after you've applied "Hen" on the same console?
3. Which guide did you follow or recommend to hack your console?
4. Any website you recommend to download ps3 games, including digitally exclusive games (example, SF3 online edition, Hard Corps Uprising, etc).
@@ultraspinalki11 Best to go watch Mrmario2021 or Modded Warfare which has a detailed playlist on how to hack your PS3 step by step.
I'm glad you asked all very good questions.
1: that's to be determined tho there's probably better odds the flow or the rebug team or whoever will find a workaround before Sony gets around to it.
2: yes
3: check out Mr Mario's guides here on youtube. Very clear, thorough and cringeless tutorials on how to setup your systems with whatever your ps3 is capable of running. If you got a fat ps3 or an early slim you can install cfw. The slim 2 and ps3s marked cech3000 are only capable of running hen.
4: there are sites. Check out reddit and their ps3 homebrew pages for answers. All I wanna say is that there are two really awesome sites that allow you to download ps3 and Vita content straight from the Sony servers to your PC. There are even apps that allow you to download and install right inside your console from the Sony servers. Highly recommended to do your hw as the ps3 is my favourite system period and having it running unlocked firmware is eye opening. @UltraspinalKI
I'm so glad us gamers have people like you and reggie and many others as our voice on social media to help push forward the preservation of these amazing games!
that comparison really resonated with me prince is my all time favorite artist and aic is my all time favorite band lol
“An error has occurred” what I did to fix it was
account management > system activation > PS3 system > game > activate system
I’m sure it’s multiple ways to fix the problem but this was a quick fix for me and never had another problem checking out on ps store
The first one we got listened to big time was when we fought to get the design for Sonic changed in the movie, now we've done this! Proving we do have a voice and we will be listened to, so what's next on our agenda? 🤔 🙂
Maybe you could try and convince the American government that bombing other countries you are not at war with and killing civilians is called terrorism.
@@SkelNeldory Wait what?
Was that before or after we saw Ps5 devkits ? As they got people raging too
Ask for Half-Life Episode 3
@@danielgomez7236 It wasn't exactly a call to rally mate. 🙂
Love your passion Metal Jesus!!
it would be nice if they added the PS3 store back to the website. the ps3 store grid disappeared around the same time of that first announcement.
Thx MJR! Your passion for video games and your channel is always awesome to watch/be a part of. Huge AIC fan here too🤙
Sony probably got enough money to keep the stores running for a while longer but like you said, they will go away sooner or later. If only they cared about backwards compatibility like Xbox’s does, which is why I love my Series X.
Xbox has an even more serious issue with its DRM with its initial setup you need an internet connection to put an account onto the machine no way to add an offline account so if servers go we are stuck with a worse issue than the PlayStation #CBOMB issue but I do see it this way though even if Xbox left the console market I'm sure we would be able to pull are accounts from there servers as Microsoft will be around for many years to come and out live any of us
It won't play every old xbox game. I thought the same thing and bought Nfl Street 2 and Nba Street. Neither is compatible . They don't even work on my Xbox type S either 😒
@@spursdynasty7378 there is pros and cons to both platforms it's just Xbox does a better job at backcompat covering 4 generations and if you have the disc that is a supported game you can play it no purchase needed sadly with PlayStation you have to buy all those PS1, PS2 games regardless if you own the game or not. As like Xbox PlayStation does not have full backwards compatibility with PS1 and PS2 library and as we all know 0 backcompat PS3 games unless you sign-up to PS Now.
@@spursdynasty7378 true, the Series X is not fully backwards compatible but it sure is a hell of a lot more than the PS5 and in time they could add more. I have a bunch of 360 games that I can actually play on my Series X. Not to mention Microsoft is even adding FPS boosts to older games.
Xbox is light years ahead of the " Woke" company. Thank you Microsoft.
Thank you for making this Metal Jesus! Game preservation is incredibly important!
3:04 Disney does this with their Disney Vault. Nintendo does this with Mario. It’s the new thing.
This was a very smart and interesting video essay! Loved it 🤘
Ebay scalpers on suicide watch lmao. Imagine how much those rare games would of increased in value after the digital versions went offline.
Oh yeah a big middle finger to sony and to them because they where starting to raise the prices like crazy, guess what? I would not need you or videogames anymore, thank you sony you made me open my eyes and now i am free of consumism.
They're still going to go up. The store will still come down at some point and, people know it now.
cool...nice work MJ
I think it was the 300 dollars I spent there last week.
Love your channel, keep up the great work !
Thanks so much!
Nightmare was seriously wounded, but their soul still burns 🔥
There's one big fix for all these issues: backward compatibility. I know, licenses would prevent a large amount of games to take the leap, but just having the chance to keep your 1st party games and the best from 3rd parties, from ps1 to ps5 or whatever console comes next would be amazing.
Glad they listened.
You're absolutely right on all those points, MJR! Also, what are all those games whose footage you're showing in the background? Just curious.
We need backwards compatibility for PSX discs 😭
Yeah, it's called a ps1/ps2 😂
@@nunyabusiness69 corporate shill thing to say bruh 🙄🤑
I think he means that the PSX was a console that played ps1 and ps2 discs. PS1 was released in 1995, PS2 was released in 2000, and PSX launched in 2003 and only in Japan.
That said You can buy a PS1 for like $40, they're less than the price of a new game.
@@Aragorn7884 I'm JM with ya. I love my ps1 discs, but I swapped out my laser for an xstation ODE. All games on sd card playing on original hardware. Rip your game collection, put it on the sd card and game on!
Great video. I agree w/the Vita storage issue. That adapter is awesome! I would also like the ability to create dedicated servers so I can play my older games online w/friends.
Whenever your digital store is low in sales, let the people think it's going to be taken down soon. I'm sure it was the money that they recently got that changed their minds.
Game preservation is of paramount importance to me as a 30+yr gamer with multiple decades of games that should be available to go back to whenever and be passed on. This recent retro surge is all the proof you need to see that ... Games and consoles are works of art that have become very much a part of our history and who we are, and they need to be treated accordingly... Not to mention the amount of money, passion, time, and sheer numbers of people it takes to create some of these works of art... Only to have them be a limited time availability?! It's ridiculous! Gaming has gotten to the point where it's just as big and impactful as movies, music, and any other forms of entertainment. Arguably more so in a lot of cases. Every title, down to the crappy 0.99¢ eshop games should be fully preserved. Like I said, they're not just games anymore, they're a part of our history and who we are. Where we've been and where we're going... These companies need to be pushed into prioritizing this. They need to treat these games with the respect they deserve... The arrangement is they give us what we want and we give them our money! Well, Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo... Full game preservation is what we want!! Get it done!!
I'm buying a few games on the PSVITA today to celebrate this great news!
MJR, you truly rock for making this video. 🎸🤘
I honestly did think that they would change their minds with all the backlash
A very loud minority. I just think they do not want people spreading more false rumors on social paranoia. It can get out of control quickly. Only a very few really care for PS3 games actually, I am pretty sure. The store was dead for a couple of years, people moved on. I visit it regularly and there was no update for 2 or more years.
Thank you once again. Much appreciated dude!
They must of made a lot of money off of people trying to buy up the games while they could.
Ya I agree with the points your making whole heartedly. Great video Metal Jesus!
The Internet is sadly killing Gaming.
No, gaming is doing better than ever. Physical media is dying
That sounds like something an old person says to a young kid... wtf does that even mean?
@@Ardonn Local Multiplayer pretty much dead since ps3 era due to online only multiplayer, (as of this reply) Ps4 can't play physical or digital games if the battery dies and your offline. Digital only releases once the store shut down no legal way to own them.
@@speedwaynutt I still don't see how that it's the internet fault? Sounds more like those are policies and decisions of the companies...
@@Ardonn physical media is important, it isn’t really dying
Here's a wild idea. Let's put the PS1 games on the PS4/PS5 store. Because you know. They definitely would NOT sell like hotcakes, and I specifically WOULDN'T spend a bunch of money repurchasing my favorite games.
...no?
Okay, then. Nevermind. -.-
Now only if they see people still have love for old games and make plans for BC in the future 🤞
"It voids your warranty"
1 - By time opening up the system is necessary it is 'probably' outside of warranty period already.
2 - Opening a device does not void the warranty no matter what a sticker or otherwise states. This is against the law - see the 'Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act'. Also see various right to repair movements such as 'Fight to Repair'
Much respect for having a copy of House Of The Dead Overkill on that PS3
Game is fun as hell and hilarious!
I have the OG Wii version and the director’s cut on the PS3
@@GroovyFlacko Aye its a class game
Back in the day Microsoft said that they would likely push an update to Windows XP when it reached the end of its life to remove the activation requirement. It's been 7 years since support ended and you still have to jump through hoops to activate it. Though I think it's the most ethical thing to do to remove all DRM from something once you're no longer going to support it, unfortunately that means spending time and resources which these companies just aren't going to do no matter how much the public begs them to.
They need to add sales to the store and I would buy more on it
Some of the games are definitely in need of a discount, like ar nosurge. It's 50 dollars right now. If it's like 10-30 bucks I don't really care.
@@morriganrenfield8240 a example of expensive stuff is call of duty season passes all full price
@@llfallen0nell884 I guess... Dunno who's buying old ass cod games though haha. It's up to the developer/ publisher to discount it though
MJR could you put in the video description a list of the games that you showed footage for? Some of those driving and RPG games looked great. Would love to add them to the backlog...
As a ps vita collector, this makes me happy
Thank you again for another great video. I'm a little late to the party, I somehow missed this one. Your footage is always great and as in most of your videos, I don't know all the games shown. Thanks to you I learned to love shoot 'em ups, but haven't played all the good ones yet. Can you please tell me, what game is played at 11:57. The following Platformer at 12:02 looks also pretty nice.
The battery issue will be a class action lawsuit if they don’t fix it, and I suspect they know that.
The legality of it has been covered. Basically they can't be sued for money, but maybe for them to fix the issue. I think the real issue would be players abandoning them in droves to Xbox
Yeah. I was finally going to bite the bullet and buy a lot of vita titles on the Christmas holiday sale because I figured they were going to close the store soon but there was no christmas sale. At least we got an extension.