How we need to remake the internet | Jaron Lanier
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- Опубликовано: 2 май 2018
- In the early days of digital culture, Jaron Lanier helped craft a vision for the internet as public commons where humanity could share its knowledge -- but even then, this vision was haunted by the dark side of how it could turn out: with personal devices that control our lives, monitor our data and feed us stimuli. (Sound familiar?) In this visionary talk, Lanier reflects on a "globally tragic, astoundingly ridiculous mistake" companies like Google and Facebook made at the foundation of digital culture -- and how we can undo it. "We cannot have a society in which, if two people wish to communicate, the only way that can happen is if it's financed by a third person who wishes to manipulate them," he says.
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" We cannot have a society, in which, if two people wish to communicate the only way that can happen is if it's financed by a third person who wishes to manipulate them" ~Jaron Lanier #quoteoftheyear
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Get this man some O2 next time and please we need more of Jaron! He hit the nail on the head!!!!
An incredibly important point. His book is incredibly chilling. Sadly, most people won't read it.
Or, we can talk to each other... you know, like normally?
No need to get too teary-eyed by a statement carefully formulated to evoke a specific emotion by employing terms out of context. *cough* manipulation.
Sigurður Ólafsson which book?
I read this guy's life story and it blew my mind. This guy has had one of the toughest upbringings you could possibly imagine. A few examples..
Born to Polish and Ukrainian parents who spent their life escaping war and living in refugee camps.
Severely bullied at school and one day when his parents came to pick him up from school, they spotted him getting bullied and distracted they crashed the car. His mother died, his father was seriously injured. Not long after Jaron fell seriously ill with pneumonia and something else I forget. He spent a year in hospital.
While in hospital, the family home and with it their business burned down, they lost everything.
When out of hospital, the father with what little cash he had bought a tiny piece of land in the New Mexican desert with the plan to build a small home. This took 2 years to build so in meantime they lived in an old military supply tent........ in the desert and then for a few more years in their tiny home, which a young Jaron designed.
Jaron then grew up, met a girl fell in love and followed her to California where she promptly dumped him leaving him there all alone with no cash.
He managed to get a job in silicone Valley which eventually led to his genius coming out.
He coined the term Virtual Reality and along with another guy, they are the founding fathers of Virtual Reality. What made him come up with the vision of an alternative reality different from the real one? All of that misery inflicted on him. An escape from the real world. It's an incredible story how one person's brutal upbringing gave birth to a concept that will in future shape the world in many ways. There are many other things he's contributed, too much to write about. He's been at the forefront of silicone Valley inventions for decades.
Just to add to this guys genius, he plays over 60 musical instruments.
Thank you so much. You shared a treasure.
Silicone Valley? Lol indeed
@@icecreamforcrowhurst Yeah, in the later years of his current life. His upbringing was far from Silicon Valley.
Thank you
60?
This man is the epitome of the eccentric genius. A true treasure of our species
Sorry man, I don't find him eccentric
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@@les-fauxmonnayeurs9887 have you heard his music?
@@les-fauxmonnayeurs9887 And?
@@Nepetita69696 and what? (quote RuPaul)
I've read this guy's articles on social media addiction and he is 100% correct. And he oozes with empathy.
yeah... funny that.... humans !
It takes one to know one ! ;-)
yup...guilty lol
Yes!
There are two men who I would like to spend a day with just chatting and exchanging thoughts with ........."one is Jaron Lanier and the other is Keith Richards. Totally different bug both very interesting........
couldn't agree more
Funny that people commenting on his appearance are, in a roundabout manner, proving his point of social reward and punishment via systems of behavior modification.
It'd those retsrds that are the problem
Allan Duarte no, you're not mate
WelfareChrist I legit can’t find a single comment about his appearance tho.
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No one did! Welfare Christ is in his own subtle way! I am sure his ex wife would never admit it, left him based on his appearance!
Personally I haven't seen any comments like this and I don't think you did either.
Been a fan of Jaron for over 20 years, and believe he is one of the most brilliant minds of our generation. And I believe wholeheartedly social media is having a profoundly negative impact on human discourse and relations.
Me too.
There is much more of a negative impact when people idolize pseudo-philosophers like Lanier who made a career out of writing and talking vague, obscurantist nonsense without ever adding anything substantial. It's this celebration of unclear and inexact thinking that paves the way for other con artists like Trump.
@@Xul its only vague because its more of him thinking about what could/should be, i mean he literally says it. setting out exact plans is something you do when you have more ppl on board to minimize wasted effort. i can see where you're coming from, but i think ur kinda taking the point of this the wrong way
Social media isn't the problem. People are.
The comment section just reflects our social system: Everyone is critisizing about him, not looking like the stereotype of a man. Is that going to enhance your life tomorrow? The way a person looks? No. But you know what will? The fact that he explained, how we can change the manipulative behaviour modification! Push the replay button and this time just listen to this informative talk he just gave. An amazing and individual discourse by the way!
Yeeeeaaaaaa...... Everyone in the comment section is doing that...... >_>
There are actually more comments like yours trying to point out how much "hate" there is in the comment section than comments that are just trying to poke at him for his looks. Unless you count those that just mention that he looks and sounds a bit baked, but I would say that is a different thing.
I tried just listening and all I hear is a dying beached whale being crushed under its own weight gasping for air.
Sir HardOn I watched the video 20 minutes after it was being uploaded and when I scrolled down, the majority pointed out the way he gave voice to his topic. To be honest I anticipated the online TED audience to be more intimate with the content matter not the superficial one... Guess I just expect too much from the humankind.
Somehow I'm not surprised that the unforgivingly judgmental Grizzlyman's profile picture is a can of dip :-)
I couldn't agree with cici's comment more
Jaron's last words are very thoughtful, he said "I don't believe that our species can survive unless we fix these. We cannot have a society, in which, if two people wish to communicate the only way that can happen is if it's financed by a third person who wishes to manipulate them."
He is already thinking about what can be happened after 50-100 years. We were in peace, but what happened in the last 10 years? Take a look at our current world, nowadays why are we so crazy? who is changing our thoughts, who is manipulating our decisions?
Great rhetorical questions
Social media impacted on our decisions through advertising and data collection and media engineering. Data analyst.
"behavior modification empires". Exactly.
Just get rid of social media all together it's a HUGE part of what is wrong with society these days. great vid
because war and poverty are just side effects of social media, talk about a sheltered life to think social media "is a Huge part of what is wrong."
True Fiasco it doesn’t really accomplish much and only provides procrastination options
True Fiasco oh I didn't know the video talked about war or poverty, but if you want to take it there that's ok. What an arrogant way to respond to a comment that had nothing to do with the subjects you mentioned.
+Colton Stacy seems like you are the arrogant one saying social media is easy to get rid of or even possible to accomplish it
Blast King well you are correct in saying that we would never be able to accomplish this because the 3rd party has such a tight gip on the population of this country, as the man in the video implied but I never said it would be easy. Although it is my opinion that social media promotes narcissism and does the people who use it a disservice. So yes I think the world would be better off without it.
I do respect him for being a pioneer of that adventure that made our world, a global village. Also for remaining critical but not only critical, critical with solutions. Cheers. J-L L. K
This guy is incredible. I wish he was my next door neighbor because I would be over there constantly having discussion with him about everything.
Me too - I hope he might help me set up my computer to be running without distractions 😄
Could listen to him all day. He’s like the embodiment of my internal monologue.
Your inner voice seems to be in quite a bad physical shape
Just listening to this guy makes me feel like I ran up and down 899 flights of stairs.
He sounds like a cult leader....
He seems brilliant and original, Ma Ni.
r/iamverysmart
Support this man, need his voice out there
Yes! This talk is much more powerful than the interviews I’ve seen, I think because of how the interviewers approach the topic. This was great!
The gasps in the audience when he says google and facebook models are to manipulate and spy on their users. It's like the first time that kind of tech audience was told to their faces by one of their own. Love him. ❤
One of the best TED talks so far! Also, he's awesome! screw the haters
Indeed!
Haters gonna hate
It is a dream to hear you speak. You truly give hope that yes the same things that tearing us apart can be used to heal all if us in making real connections. Thank you for sharing your perspectives with such brilliant clarity.
I decided to take a break from social media earlier this year, with the exception of RUclips. Found myself logging back in to FB to access my gym FB group (needed to access info related to local lockdowns.) found myself idly browsing again. Went immediately to deleting. I’ve deleted FB before but always found myself going back on out of boredom or when people nagged me to. Not any more.
As the year goes on, perhaps I’ll find the strength to do so with Reddit, Instagram, and though I rarely used it, Tumblr. Got off Twitter in April, best decision I ever made.
It’s scary to let go. It’s easy to think people want or need to see our holiday photos, our new picture of a plant, or our weight loss pic. News flash: no-one cares but you, and the handful of people who are actually in your life. I plan to give myself a year to really let that sink in, and slowly prune back social media along the way.
Was obsessed with VR since the early 90's and Jaron Lanier was the only person I found writing books on the subject, Thank you for all that you Do and for your love of HMD's:)
Jaron Lanier, where have you been all my social-media life?
It's so clear to me from his eyes that language as we know it is insufficient to possibly convey his thoughts.
He needs a Navigator language a'la DUNE.
This talk could be also called channeling. Thank you so much! So much love I can feel right now.
Hope this guys gets his act together health-wise, so he doesn't die of a heart attack soon because we need people like him to be around for a long time.
I want to give this man a big hug. Thank God for him and his compassion and empathy for all of us.
Free at the expense of privacy
the thing that becomes no longer free is thought.
This is really important!! I remember back then when we used to text each other with SMS, (Windows) Messenger, Skype, email etc. and we actually enjoyed the simplicity of just talking. Nowadays they turned it into a NEED to post a picture to SHOW, to SHARE, to put a comment, to color the "like" button, to quote & reply with anger/sadness/joy... ugh people don't realise they (and their behaviour) are just getting studied by someone else in order to keep them more addicted to their product. Of course these products bring good points too but we need to listen to Jaron's message about THE WAY it's getting executed
Im apache and this guy is my brother from another mother !
Much love god bless this guy protect him at all cost
this is the way forward. Thanks Jaron. Strong, smart, optimistic, aware.
Hes very pleasant to listen to. Nice, soft spoken guy
RUclips manipulated me to watch this video.
o--Kane101--o youtube knows your behaviour and preferences so by switching to different videos of other interest. You may find that you can manipulate it. Good luck!
Bloody brilliant! This man is amazing. Great talk! He's totally right.
Just discovered Jaron tonight. Wow. I'm happy to have discovered him and to listen to his insights. He kinda reminds me of the character on South Park that monopolized World of Warcraft.
This guy is brilliant and still optimistic about what could be done to make the world better ☺️
Could listen to him all day. This gentleman knows how to make a good discussion
Thank you Jaron. I've worked with some IT/IS people who also recognized the pit the technology actually is. I so appreciate your remarks in The Creepy Line.
If people can just get past the looks, he's actually making some valid points. The funny thing is, we wouldn't be here today without the existence of open source communities. The entire infrastructure of these mega corporations is run on open source code.
It gets tricky when you try to monetize content because people will try to game one another and resort to dirty behavioral manipulations to get you more hooked on their product. I don't believe subscription-based services is the solution either, although it's a step in the right direction. We can't reach homeostasis if someone always tries to get ahead by charging less or offering more lucrative features. You have to take money out of the picture completely.
FabledDan Do you think govt subsidies for micropayments could help? I think it could definitely help online newspapers, especially when everyone uses Adblocker.
I think giving content creators compensation is unavoidable and necessary. I don't have an issue with subscription or "pay what you want" models. I just don't see how it can avoid the pitfalls of making banal but addictive/manipulative content so they can reach a wider audience and get more profit. If people are paid by governments to produce content and they do it because they love it, that would be great but greedy people will always undermine the community and that's the crux of the issue. If you haven't read it, check the essay "Meditations on Moloch", specifically the fish farming story on how one greedy person can trigger a cycle of self destruction.
What is he suggesting?
is he saying that we centralize the internet and pay for it to ensure we only get good quality information?
That's putting a lot of power in one place and who and how do we decided who's going to be this authority?
Sounds dangerous to me
I want to know what societies would look like if money was no object. How much work would continue to get done?
If we ever get to such a state of widespread abundance, AI might have gotten us there and we might not need to work anyway. I think the real issue is how highly advanced AI will change the world. It seems nearly impossible for only non-destructive AI to be produced.
The only scenario I can come up with is that the first AI that can improve itself goes perfectly for us. It needs to gain enough power to thwart the progress of any potential harmful AI. Basically, it has to see everything as fast as possible so it can decide what to do. Anything less than perfection and doom feels likely.
... what was I replying to again?
Individual services would charge for access, not be centralised. Facebook, £2/month. MySpace £0.05/month. Email with unique domain, webmail, use any client you want £5/year.
Jaron Lanier, legend, wisdom , nuanced, thinker. If someone understands investigation of the mind it is Jaron Lanier
He is such a great person, I somewhat love to see his talks and explore his ways to think.
Both brilliant and compassionate, this is a great man - I wish we all would listen to his advice!
Thank you, Jaron, for a truly enlightening talk 👏🏻💚
This was actually very very informative and it’s very important that all human beings of the earth 🌍 know this vital information so moving forward let not be evil
I love how he shows where the money goes, and who profits from what aspect of social media. I have several friends - my own age, i.e. raised without the internet until our late teens/early 20s - who consider social networks the same kind of "reality" as actual reality. No. They're not. They're free and publicly available, but they're not public, they're private and they filter everything you see. If my generation, who has grown up without the internet and KNOWS the difference, doesn't GET the difference - what hope is there for humanity?
This guy needs to do more of this. Don't stop!
14:14 - That sums up the problem perfectly. That one sentence could have been the whole presentation.
It only takes one push to cause others to fall. When it's originally caused by a third party, yes, but society in general seems to push this idea further.
Best TED talk in ages. Essential viewing.
I love how comfortable he is speaking in front of large groups
Same I admire him so much. Hes inspiring
LOL dude is in flip flops, stretched out T-Shirt and sweatpants. Just rolled out of bed and chilling.
Man ted has stepped up its game lately
If we all agree to quit social media the companies will have no choice but to change their business model. Of course, this won't be accomplished all at once but if we slowly convert people into a new way of thinking it is a definite possibility that we can affect the change that is so needed right now.
totally
This was a surprisingly good TEDtalk
Profound precision of the reason and solution to man's greatest threat in the age of technology. Thank you Sir.
Payment business model does not work for things that benefit from network effect. A social network that doesn't require payment will attract more users than one that does.
It´s a crime that I´ve only found out about this guy now.
It's wrong what he has done and evil
This feels like he talking back to Mark Zuckerberg directly.
I love this man and his super intelligence. Thank you so much for the wisdom.
I enjoy listening to him very much so. I've learned allot through his insight.
I adore this man
Creativity as an alternative to death
Read this mans books , priceless insight. I got into Computer Science because of Jaron:)
That's so true. A lot of things get better when you pay for them. The Internet will totally change and go back to not being so toxic if these services become pay-to-use like he's saying. Also the fact that people stood up for him I think really says a lot about how people know what his saying is true. Not all ted talk speakers get a standing ovation.
Quite awesome I must say. I am speachless... Suspected like another call to revolution and drastic changes, while turns out it wouldn't take that much to fix this...
Would like certainly to hear more on the actual possibility and chances of the companies changing their model...
The problem is they have gotten away with it for to long, I can't see them giving up a slice of the pie now.
Refreshing down to every word
This guy! One of the godfathers of the Internet.
he's not one of the Godfather's of the Internet...He's the one of the Fathers of Virtual Reality, very different things.
Cause he is obese, sits a lot, can barely breath and is hard to understand?
Grizzlyman MeinTeil maybe do your research.
Mark Nicholson I've watched this video and the movie, you are right, they are both physically repulsive. Why research that further?
Hi Jeron, Good words as always, enjoyed listening to you in Redmond. Look up Open Curtains Spix" on AMZN which asks "What if Privacy were your property and not only a right"? Hit the “look inside” for the “aha”. The late Great Nobelist, Gary Becker showed that wounds markets create can often be healed by markets. Here's one approach, IP free. We took a Polya approach. When a problem is unsolvable, make it bigger and solve that. Surprise! Gave a copy to Kevin McCarthy as testimony prep. No need to Bundle, etc. And this is larger than privacy. We must find a framework that enables fulfilling and challenging jobs, across all domains for the millions of more able than ever graduates else their Idle hands may end us all or create the biggest brother you’ve ever seen. Regards George.a.spix@gmail.com
The best TED talk so far! Superb one!
This is what a TED talk should be like. Excellent points made by gentleman. The internet was not built for the purpose and the way we use it now. It surely does need a long overdue remake.
Love this talk. Absolutely true.
I adore Jaron and his beautiful mind.
The last words of his talk was deadly.
Never looked at it like that before.
Imagine our communication is being controlled by organizations.
It is my friend. It is.
That was an amazing talk.
14:14
"We cannot have a society in which if two people wish to communicate the only way that can happen is if it's financed by a third person who wishes to manipulate them." - Jaron
3:44
“~A society that uses a behavior modification scheme will fail because they won't be aware of real world problems they need to solve” - Norbert Weiner
4:19
"And yet of course it's what we have [unfortunately] created and it's what we must undo if we are to survive" - Jaron
I so much agree with him but too bad for me. :( I work as a digital marketer, it's my bread and butter. How am I suppose to get away with the social medias? :(
Thanks 🙏 your information is invaluable to all people of earths life line
I’m blown away by this talk. Ironic that I’m listening to this on a social media platform 😆
brilliant talk!
One of the best talks I've ever listened.
Indeed!
Sometimes wonder why some music videos are watched 200 million times and this invaluable 15 min can hardly garner 150k views. We all seem conditioned in some or many ways.
Lack of educated humans
nah. The answer is actually obvious. Topics like these are complex and controversial. so people seek different sources, and some don't seek at all because the topic isn't interesting to them. Music videos on the other hand are straight forward, easy digestable and very short so no matter how smart or not your are no matter what your interests are and how limited in time you are you can always squeeze one in and will most likely find one you enjoy. Things appeal to many people for a reason, they just are on a middle ground almost everyone shares. And not because everyone else is just stupid.
Aaaaand also many people just put youtube on at parties so they'll replay the same video a lot. But you will most likely not listen to this ted talk 20 times.
Jaron Lanier is an incredibly fascinating man
Humbled 💕
That guy has got a point! And he is soooooo adorable, I wish I could be his friend.
This guy is so cool. The world needs people like this.
He could be an awesome history teacher with that candor and tone 😄
Don't judge a book by it's cover.
Can we judge a book by how much it weighs or probably smells?
Don't cover a judge with a book.
lolol yes
SemiconductorWave i dont think an attractive guy gasping for breath for 10 or 15 minutes straight will be much more appealing.
lets talk normal shall we ,the fit guy will recuperate faster and be less of a burden on the health system when they will wheel him in the emergency room,i have seen it.The fight guy comes back out and goes back to work.
Clearly a wizard. We must listen to him.
Loled so hard but I agree fully
Beautiful.
Just found this amazing, he his brilliant
Post Malone in 20 years
ChoskarChulian 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Post-Post Malone
without the intelligence
ChoskarChulian Falling apart after he went flex in his white iverson
Nah..
I love this guy!
Muito bom. Precisamos, pelo menos, ver as coisas como elas são!
Que bela decisão a si tomar... E, que excelente desfecho!
Only problem with his idea is that no matter which model you use you will still be manipulated by monopolies, if not just turn your TV and look at any channel
Thats exactly why i disliked the video.
True. There will always be manipulation paid or not.
I understand what he says, however every action has it’s reaction. For instance, how would low income countries (Like Many African Nations) benefit once they have to pay to access Google or subscribe to access Google? Right now a lot of people in these nations have been able to get free education from the Internet.
Paying will only hinder them the more.
Secondly, I really like Jaron, and he teaches me a lot, however I am still trying to understand some of his concepts, for example, I believe I have heard him mention something like the diffusion of power (By paying the providers of data, The MASSES), will prevent this Monopoly of Power from consuming us all.
To conclude, is he saying we should be charged for accessing these services and also get paid for accessing these services?
Someone pls explain this dichotomy to me.
This man is absolutely fascinating.
This deserve more views! JRE should have him on his podcast.
Jesus you guys are judgemental. This guy is really smart, and a big proponent of AI. Look him up.
that doesn't mean his opinion is good. Oh and AI is not a good thing.
Rude comments are one thing, but you guys are nuts as well. Obesity is not a disease nor genetic (at least in most cases), it's a life style choice, and not a healthy one. You probably wouldn't defend a guy that stood on stage smoking 3 packs of cigarettes in one talk, or being drunk, or cutting his arms with a razor. In short, people that hurt their health overly much. He's so fat he apparently can't stand up for 15 minutes to give a talk. I skimmed through his wiki page and didn't find a clue that it's a medical condition.
I don't have a problem with overweight people, but people that are so unhealthy they can't even stand up for a couple of minutes should be looked at the same way like heavy drug addicts or alcoholics: not bad people, but people with a problem. People that need our help. Not people that we should encourage to continue doing what they're doing and thus setting bad examples for the next generation.
I'm not saying rude comments are okay because he's obese, but it's also not okay to play this down to nothing. There's a line between being overweight and health-impacting slow self-destruction.
PP Hyjynx I didn’t say it was. But it certainly means he’s earned his right to talk on stage. People slagging him off because of his weight and acting like he’s a randomer are dumb. That’s all. And I disagree, AI will be a part of the future.
@EnCey2 You don't know him or the context his situation/life, you are making assumptions and judging him based on those assumptions. Why are you making the inference that he's sitting because he's overweight? You don't know. Don't act like you do know.
"big" is an understatement...
Did anybody ever consider that the user has at least some share in the blame?
we have to assume people are unaware and have empathy for them
It's not just the user to blame or the big companies. As he mentioned, it's our collective mistake and pointing fingers will do no good.
Yeah, that's a big question. The thing is, social media act like drugs mixed in with cult indoctrination techniques. And it's fairly accurate, based on science, to say that even very smart people fall prey to both, let alone a combination of the two. Sometimes, very easily. I've seen truly horrific cases of mashed brains in otherwise very smart people who fairly quickly lost the ability to connect the dots and engage in literal doublethink while having a massive cognitive dissonance that their psychological defence mechanisms won't let them acknowledge even when you tell them directly how they contradict themselves. So, the alternative is a planet-wide effort to greatly increase self-awareness and stimulate trauma healing, as well as to train everyone in actively counteracting cult techniques mixed in with sublime hypnosis. This endeavour would be insanely difficult to pull off even if there's an overwhelming consensus in its favour (and there won't be; almost all countries use at least some of these propaganda techniques to control their populations; advertising, the backbone of capitalism, is also based on this) because one would constantly have to go uphill, working against how our brains are naturally wired. If we ever find humanity in that situation, it would mean we have truly transcended the subconscious pull or our ape brains -- and I'm not 100% sure that's a safe thing to do either
this TED talk needs more views yall!
14:13 This should be the quote of the century. (Not to mention it's exactly NOT what the internet promised us initially, i.e., free and open communication.)
With such economic inequality this will never work. We must fix the wealth distribution before we expect everyone to pay for access to information online. This is a recipe for furthering inequality.
Anna Stancell well said! He's talking from a rich man's point of view. Even in Europe really many would likely drop out if Facebook cost the same as Netflix. Besides, we can already get good advise and valid news, it depends who you've connected with, what kind of networks you have online. Another inequality...
when Jaron gets older hes gonna be like YODA
Haters gotta hate.
He's already 60yo
He’ll be Jabba
Thank you 😊
This guy 100% has crazy genius that no one listened to but turned out he was right energy