Legalising marijuana for recreational use in Australia - panel discussion (2015)
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- Medicinal marijuana is at last set to become a legal reality for Australians, but many are also asking - should we legalise cannabis for recreational use? A discussion from ch9's "The Verdict" 12/11/2015. Panelists (left-to-right): Osman Faruqi, Mark Latham, Pauline Hanson, Karl Stefanovic (host), Jamila Rizvi, Amanda Vanstone, Peter FitzSimons. It would be interesting to know the % of hypocrite viewers who voted No yet drink alcohol or smoke tobacco.
Full legalization eraticate the black market let the country profit
@Mark Novak yeah it will.
Taxes will cost marijuana huge so the black market will always be cheaper
let me grow my own
The concept of personal liberty is totally lost in Australia
+Jordan S Too many people think right to liberty is something you get not something you're born with.
The Australian government is too cowardly and conservative to legalize recreational cannabis. Only when it is legalized in the rest of the world will Australia follow. The so called harm effects of cannabis fall between coffee and a beer. The real harm of cannabis is the prohibition laws. Is ironic the two groups that want to maintain prohibition are the drug cartels and politicians.
even now that they're looking to legalize it, it's only for medical use - the government still wants you to get impaired on alcohol - relaxing with cannabis is illegal. And even if you want it for medical use, guess what - no you cannot grow it. You have to get a prescription from your doctor, and then what can you buy? currently NOTHING in Australia, and the only real options available anyway are Sativex and Dronabinol. In other words, you still have to pay BIG PHARMA - the same mob who've been paying corrupt US politicians to keep it at the most restricted Schedule I in the USA. I cannot emphasize enough how absolutely *disgraceful* that is. Still a LONG, LONG WAY TO GO before we have LAWS THAT MAKE COMMON SENSE - LAWS WE CAN BE PROUD OF.
Spot on mate!
over 3000 years of marijuana use... show me one death directly related to the use of it..
+L33t70mage actually current archaeological studies have revealed that cannabis has been used by humans for around 10,000 years without a single related death. In fact the ld50 rate of Marijuana is 1:40,000. Meaning that a person would have to consume 1500 ponds of marijuana in 15 minutes in order for it to induce death. In comparison the ld50 rate of salt is1:3.3 which equates to 3 pounds of salt in 15 minutes will induce death. So salt is more dangerous than Marijuana.
even more so... thank you for the correction.
As a comparison, people are hospitalised with potentially life threatening conditions for taking Panadol every year in Australia.
yes, panadol is hepatoxic. Cannabis is not toxic, and some cannabinoids like CBD are known to have neuroprotective qualities - CBD is a stronger antioxidant than VitC and VitE.
Dave Smith The pro-prohibition crowd are uneducated. They firmly hold a view but they know little. if anything about the subject of cannabis.
I suspect it is mostly the 60+ crowd who are the core obstacle to change on this.
Wrong people for the debate and none of them no much about cannabis
true
Exactly. I also believe that this is the problem across the board in our societies today. People should be suitably qualified on a subject prior to recommending laws that govern that particular subject. You can see the blunders that are occurring with governments around the world with ill equipped politicians making decisions that are detrimental to our societies with very unfavorable consequences.
what a ridiculously stacked panel. Typical of the Australian mainstream media .
This is so funny. The lady in the glasses says "we can't hand out drugs saying, here we wont tell you this could be addictive, this could be dangerous, this could harm you"..... That is exactly what doctors are doing more than ever with prescription medications that are highly addictive and completely alter people's state. A relative of mine was weaning from anti depressants and had to stop her car because she was so dizzy and wanted to be sick,,,, driving! Not being tested by road side checks, and simply just as bad. Depression statistics are going through the roof and doctors are dishing out drugs like there is no tomorrow. We are going to have a generation of numb people who struggle to deal with every day life because they have been medicated with prescription drugs since 18. Weed has never killed a person, it saves lives. If someone wants to smoke a joint at night to relax how are they so much worse than the mother who just took a xanax and had 3 red wines????? The entire system and government is a fraud.
Pauline mentions she was so spaced out and didn't know what was going on.... hahaha. We can walk into a shop and buy as much alcohol as we want! Who gets to decide what I choose to medicate my body with if it works for me and I'm not harming anyone? It is so sad that we live in a world where grown adults are ruled by a government that will sell us cigarettes and alcohol, both know to kill us, but we will be put in jail if we grow a weed in our back yard that we might chose to smoke or ingest???? The criminals make so much money because they can.... remove the criminals and watch the loved up, kind hippies come back. Maybe they can teach society today a thing or two.
i vote yes yes recreational use:-)
all drugs should be decriminalized. spending money on keeping innocent people in jail is ridiculous when you could spend that same money to get them rehab. take out the suppliers. not the victims.
treating a health issue as a health issue instead of _turning it into_ a criminal issue as per current laws would be a very good start yes. Afterall why destroy lives when you can assist and save them? Imagine laws + common sense together...
no coz peple would be fucked up on pcp and shit all day. but weed should be legal for recreational and medical use because of it's medical properties and it's so fucking stupid that the australian gov fuckin bans shit left and right like it's not addictive it's not fucking dangerous like no one has ever died from it or even overdosed for that matter and still it's not legal even though some 12 year can hit up his friend and be like yo i need some trees because it's so fuckin esy to get
it will never happen dave , common sense will never have anything to do with law ...
Zak Findlay Yea except for the fact that the decriminalisation of drugs in Portugal and Uruguay have showed a decrease of overdoses and overall drug use.
I seriously doubt these people have actually tried marijuana. "Nobody is doubting that it's dangerous" are you kidding me? How many people have died from cannabis?
+Justin McNeil No reported deaths have resulted from cannabis use in the last 2000 years.
No one has ever died from cannabis. This is not true of Panadol and many other drugs you will find in most homes.
However there are health risks with cannabis. It can trigger some mental illness in a few people. Very few people - but it can happen.
In some people it leads to loss of productivity and motivation. A very few can even get a little dependant on it.
It also stays in the system longer and we don't know what is a safe wait time before operating machinery or motor vehicles.
So yeah there are medical risks
BUT................
1. We don't know much about those risks because it is illegal and the risks tend to be from long term use, so it doesn't get studied thanks to prohibition.
Also technology to determine what is a safe level before operating machinery is not developed thanks to prohibition.
2. Those are health issues. What health issue did we ever address successfully by treating it as a criminal issue? Oddly enough. the way to address health issues is to treat it as a health issue. I.E. education and regulation.
So the health angle simply reinforces the need to legalise and regulate it.
+Dave XB machinery and motor vehicles are issue for casual smokers only
I love how a few of them say "we don't know the long term effects"...Humans have been smoking it for thousands of years. What don't they get about that?
To clarify, "we don't know the long term effects because we ignore science, we ignore history, we ignore clinical studies from Israel Spain etc, and we only listen to what politicians told us in the 1930's which is the last time they updated their baseless stance on this"
8 mins in and I realise it's channel 9. Murdock media bullshit, might as well be Australia's Fox news
7, 9, 10 news rarely do i watch it. Fucking trash T.V
Funny because Fox News is owned by the Murdoch.
I want it to be legalised. A lot of people who have marijuana problems are too scared to see psychologists because they fear they will get dobbed in and get arrested. With it legalised they will be more open about their marijuana use and actively seek help if they happened to have a problem. Also it would be pretty cool seeing very high quality organic weed in a brick and motar store. I think Australia should follow the Washington laws. No plants are allowed but you are allowed to easily go to the store and pick up a jar of high quality weed. It is pointless to send somebody who smoked one joint to a school teaching the ill effects of marijuana. It's better to let the person know if they have a problem and let them seek effective treatment. Also a great thing about legalisation is the lack of marijuana lacing which is actually why a lot of people get addicted to marijuana. Pure weed is about as addictive as a cup o' joe.
why do people drink alcohol. Pauline Hanson doesnt know if prohibition works?? was she dropped on the head as a child
That would explain a lot of things.
happy to say i haven't had a single drop of alcohol in over 3 years, hollly shit alcohol is one FUCKED UP DRUG when it gets a hold of you. "It's not a problem until it becomes a problem", ok but when it does you're going down a one-way rabbithole attached by a very thin thread - lose grip of that and you're DEAD, it's that simple. With a bit of luck you won't kill anyone else on your way out either. Now, what happens when you smoke too much pot all day everyday?... you just RELAX, A LOT. You can still get things done, it doesn't change who you are, and you don't cause anyone else any issues that could be described as anything but minor. It's time for laws which MADE SENSE, which RESPECTED SCIENCE, and which we can be PROUD OF.
Its also important to remember THC and CBD (indeed, all the 100+ cannabinoids) are _unique, individual medicines_. Legalising CBD oil alone is simply not good enough, because while CBD is amazing for things like seizures and nausea just ask anyone who's been through chemotherapy needing an appetite boost or help getting to sleep - you need THC there because CBD doesn't help much with either. Simply because THC makes you feel good is no reason for it to remain a Schedule 9 drug alongside heroin and methylamphetamine. If it was about impairment then alcohol would also be Schedule 9. It can't be about addiction because cannabinoids aren't physically addictive, but we don't see cigarettes in Schedule 9 either. IT JUST MAKES ZERO SENSE, AND IS A SLAP IN THE FACE TO PATIENTS AND FAMILIES. It's about time we had laws we can be _proud_ of, laws that make _common sense_, as opposed to the "reefer madness" US propaganda of the 1930s.
Years back I wrote to the then Queensland health minister and explained what you said. It included the mass deaths from tobacco and the fact that the Australian government profits from it with the taxes. I didn't even use any cannabis. I knew from past use as a young adult that it is not as bad as it was being made out to be. And Tobacco and alcohol takes thousands of lives and destroys families. The response was "do I need help with an addiction". WTF.
I could not of said it better, you are absolutely right. 👏👏👏
2019 now and still nothing has happened in Australia 🇦🇺
Terry Treloar actually change is happening, the act will be the first state to legalise recreational use before the end of 2020.
and never will
Get the fuck out of my personal life, you bumb ass
"Why do people have to be drugged up to have a good time?" They just need a nice chardonnay. Ever notice how prohibitionists will use an anecdote to support their position and completely dismiss opposing evidence, hard or soft. And the dismissal of recreational over medicinal. The whole thing is about nutrition. Babies are born fucked up and people die of liver cancer because of recreational alcohol use. We have bowel cancer, diabetes, obesity, heart disease and a degraded environment because of a dietary preponderance of wheat, fructose, saturated animal fats and palm oil. Recreation is not a dirty word, it is exactly that; re-creation. We all have an endogenous cannabinoid system every bit as crucial to our functioning as the systems that use the well known "drugs" serotonin and testosterone.
"Why do people have to be drugged up to have a good time?"
Why does the government use the full power of the law to enforce how I might have a good time? Why don't lawmakers shift to North Korea since they are so much in favour of that system of government?
why do people have to get shit face on booze to have good time
Weed or Cannabis is a good thing happen to human being for such a long period of time. Legalize and regulate it and let me have a nice bud of smoke at home after my hard day work.
If you can legally purchase and consume alcohol and tobacco in this country then something that's far less dangerous and unhealthy should be legal as well.
For them to sit there laughing with bob marley music in the background then saying we're on the verge of legalised medicinal cannibis blah blah blah is all a big joke. I'm sure the parents with epilectic kids or cancer sufferers needing access to medicine yesterday would find that little segment really useful and amusing.
Even though they've started growing the plants as of a few months ago there's no telling when
anything is going to happen or when/if the patients will even get access. No ones on the verge
of anything and to suggest such nonsense then carry on with that childish little segment is
a bit ordinary at this time. The whole thing seemed like a big ego trip for a few people on the panel.
Hell yeah! Legalise the shit!!!! Tired of feeling like a criminal. Common sense...
Osman was the only sensible panel member and the rest were clueless. Vanstone and Hanson, as usual, being the most clueless.
This is an example of how NOT to hold a debate on legalizing marijuana in Australia. Are ANY of these people on the panel truly informed on the issue. Thanks for doing your part to perpetuate further propaganda and myths.
Well I would prefer to smoke a bit of marijuana before bed to help me sleep then take any prescribed medications. I have tried various sleep medications and they usually make me feel uneasy and groggy the next day. After a small amount of cannabis I don't feel any drowsiness or grogginess the next day. I hate they I can't use it to help me sleep on those sleepless frustrating nights my brain will not turn off.
+Plant Strong same here. try combining it with some meditation type music to sleep to. you can find 3 hour and 8 hour long music tracks on youtube.
"Had it 5 times and hated it" You are, to say the least, an anomaly.
Ralph Latham the funny thing is, I’ve never met someone who knows how many times they’ve smoked cannabis.
Omg, Pauline Hanson should have to apply for a license to speak her mind. She never makes any sense
Why do people have to be drugged up? Um because some people have problems that it actually helps and of course the first time you had it you got impaired. The first time you drank alcohol you got impaired the first time you have a cigarette you cough your guts up and got head spins. After a few times youre body regulates it better and it does not affect you anywhere near as badly.
Let’s have a plebiscite 😎
anyone who still calls marijuana DOPE....after it has been shown to be a medicine....needs to go back and watch reefers madness again
and it's not a weed... it's an annual!
Meanwhile alcohol needs a POISON label.
I have faith in the ozzies! legalize it!
absolutely ,,,, WITH THE PROVISO THAT PEOPLE ARE PROPERLY EDUCATED .. LETS REVEAL THE TRUTH
I don't think that people realise that marijuana is WAY BETTER than tobacco and helps so many people's lives by preventing certain cancers, helping anxiety and helping to prevent fits during epilepsy
Legalise marijuana it's no worse than alcohol plus it has proven to be benefitial for medicinal purposes! Let the country profit
+Christian Smart guy here!!
+Nodabad Bloke 11 OK mate, everyone has a say, it's just my opinion
+Christian So you're saying it's ok for stoned people to walk around our streets all day? We'd practically be handing our children pot
+Christian Imagine how much it'd affect the schooling system too. Hope you'll have fun watching your kids get high off their heads! This debate itself is ridiculous, shows where our dejected society it headed towaeds.
+Nodabad Bloke 11 so you're saying it's ok for drunk people to walk around our streets all day? We'd practically be handing our children alcohol if it were legal. Wait... it is.
that guy with the red bandana was just at the park smokin a doink tho XD
It is not addictive tho. Unlike tobacco
"Why do we need to be all drugged up in today's society I was high on life back in the day" For that same reason you were high on life. For some people drugs is a way to enjoy life.
Yes
Does the Australian government serve the people or do the people serve the government? Last time I looked, Australia is not China or North Korea? Look at the comments here and a majority of the people want weed legal or at least decriminalised. 33% of people in Australia smoked weed. STOP THE NANNY STATES!
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Legalise x
Shame about the people on this - An important debate not to be mocked !!
Don’t know what the hell theyre talking about, not a drug, not harmful, do your research
Saying marijuana is not a drug or not harmful is not helping legalisation...
Personally I've never taken any notice of the laws pertaining to cannabis and really couldn't give a rat's arse if it's legal or not. The government gives me the money I waste on it so it's never been a problem for me.
Free Psychiatric Advice Fifty Dollars there’s a difference between smoking cannabis and being a bum.
I'd like to say that sometimes drug addiction ruins lives...and sometimes ruined lives cause drug addiction
But almost no one gets addicted to cannabis. Even so called 'cannabis addicts' are not real addicts. Certainly far less addicted than tobacco smokers.
kangaroo432 fuck mate. I smoked Mary Jane since I was 14 (I am 21 now) and I still do and although the amount I smoke has changed now I can easily take a break off it with only a tiny bit of cravings so I have no idea what you are on about.
My ex girlfriends brother was an icehead who got off ice by using cannabis oil. Cannabis _saved_ his life.
Reptilian it’s not how much you smoke, it’s what you smoke, buying sticks here and there can cause bad cravings, smoking the same strain seems to be the way to go if you don’t want to have problems smoking. You’re young still ( no offence ) I was like you, I’m almost 50 now.
Dave XB yes it’s addictive, 48 hours without cannabis and plenty of water will fix that.
left wits
Let me grow my own you Dinosaurs.
Indian dude gets it. Guy with red bandanna gets it enough. The rest are annoying
Saturday grow show on RUclips
Just legalise already
high in life, i lost it guys
So I can legal grow plants 🌱 in my garden
These people are so out of touch!
must make your hair fall out
"That's a big number" Can I have a toke?
Cannabis is not a bad drug
i tried it three times ,in one minute
YES
Recreational is the wrong word
Do it cannabis
It's not the time 🤣🤣 if it's legal recreational, it's legal for medical use 😂 typical politics move, give me more tax payers money to drag it on 4 political clowns here. Do your own research figure it out. Cannabis is better than ciggies and alcohol full stop
Let's just put it to people's vote like the gay marriage law that just passed $350 says that it's a YES 😆
FFS can u b leave this dribble
Bikie gangs dont make money of pot!! Bikie members might though!! but so does alot of your every day person
Nodabad Bloke and ur everyday person gets it from the bikie gangs....
Bikies control the black market
Paulines a g
yes yes yes
Come on guys don't be a #stonersloth.
+- TheFinn - (thefinn) And dont sit around reading books either, right? How about you let people do whatever they want in their home where it's not affecting you or of any concern to you. btw your stereotypical views of a "typical stoner" are as outdated as the war on drugs.
Dave Smith Tend to agree, but the pearl clutching old christian women just can't deal.
Be happy when the baby boomers are dead.
Yes