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2 years military with no rewards. The salary is not even close to the minimum wage. Living as male in Korea is really tough. Give soldiers at least minimum wage.
You get nothing when you are draft to war
3 bucks an hour in the US army as a E2..
Of course there are more benefits but put that into perspective
And some people dont respect to thoes korean man who servicing in military for the country
@@user-ge9gx7zh2p nahh thats bs it could be just a average disrespecting, and how do they know that he served in miltarym
It not that tough to North Korea lol
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I wish people in my country could give such educated answers when interviewed for TV.
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Does every single Korean guy look like they just walked out of the hair salon? Seriously..... this is not good for my self-esteem.
Korean men love to take care of their hair.
korea people like to care about beauty. hair, fashion, skin care, body shape, diet ...etc
they obviously tend to choose the more presentable better looking people to interview
it's the influence of celebrities
Hyun Seung Kim Not just celebrities. You guys just have nice and thick hair in general.
I agree with the guy who said you’d be cut off from society. You may loose friends, relationships, your career and be separated from your family. You’d feel really depressed and lonely.
This was a very good video. The interviewer had insightful questions that were able to illicit great responses. As a foreigner, who only recently began to learn about S. Korea, it's interesting to know how some of men feel about voluntary military service. Thanks for that and in the future more about social issues would be appreciated. (Would this topic be considered a social issue?) These kind of things.
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It has been for years since this topic became social issue
The last comment was very interesting. It seems mandatory military service can make a society more structured and less rebellious. Or in other words more authoritarian and less opinionated?
True. There's also a lot of propaganda education that goes on within the military (nationalistic, anti-socialist, pro-capitalist, pro-establishment propaganda.) I think that's what makes Korean men more conservative than women.
Your said it right!
That seems to be the rationale for conscription in Singapore, who has no large, militaristic neighbors like Sweden or South Korea, and no constant threat of insurgencies like Israel.
TheKalihiMan we did experience Konfrontasi
Implying Koreans aren't opinionated, hahaha...
lol Korea isn't a small country. I live in a country of 5 milion people and that's what I call small.
Sniffles I live in a country of 1,3 million people and I think it's quite big oh well😂
Sniffles Swaziland has less than a Million
Just cause there's a country that's smaller than Korea doesn't mean that Korea isn't small...
Staci-Ann Lawson There's 50 million people is south Korea That isn't a small number.
china-1.3bil
japan-130mil
russia-140mil
south korea-50mil
it's smaller than other countries.
Do you have mandatory military service in your country? Do you think it's necessary? Share your opinions.
No, not anymore. Germany got rid of it in 2011 I believe. The mandatory service was 9 months only, which I think is a more reasonable length compared to the two years in South Korea. My older brother had to do it, but he actually liked it and extended his service to two years. He got paid quite a lot but didn't have to do much for it. In the end he was bored on a daily basis and eventually started studying in an university.
Asian Boss nah bruh..... I think it's pretty fucked up that u HAVE to go through military service in Korea.... I mean, I get that military is a good place for men to become stronger not only physically but also mentally but it is definitely not for everybody. Some people might be starting their own businesses, other people might wanna go over seas to work or study, u must spend 2 years in the military just seems really ridiculous to me. Dont get me wrong, I'd fucking do it if I have to, I mean I play sports and I'm a active guy and everything, and go through military training definitely gonna help me with my physical and mental strength, but like I said, I don't think it should be mandatory. People should have the right to choose what they want to do. I'm Chinese who live in Japan BTW. And I have friends back in China that are real soldiers as well. And I do respect them for what they do. Again not for everybody. :) let me know if u agree.
I didn't have to, but it is apparently going to be mandatory again. If my mental health was good back then, I would've applied though. I don't think it should be mandatory if possible though.
(Currently doing military service in Korea) What people get from their service: Some new relationships, Learning battle skills / What they lose: EVERYTHING ELSE.
nope ! depends on countries population
two years in the army and that's a big loss for talented scientists who can contribute a lot to their field when they don't take wasting two year break at the time they can bloom.
two years is just enough time to make any brain hard headed.
People with masters degree or phds can serve in industry r&d, so whats the issue?
winner winner even after two years of training they will still be bad in case of war. They're still civilians. You can't expect them to do well in case of war. Historically the compulsory military service was used to basically create a human shield for more trained soldiers.
To be fair, while I don’t exactly agree with mandatory military or civil service, I think it’s necessary in South Korea’s case. If God forbid North Korea decided to march down southwards, what’s the military suppose to d, throw rifles at civilians and say “best of luck lol” while they wait for a US response?
Anderson Xiong How is that different from what they are doing now? Maybe if they had a professional standing army they'd have a better chance.
A professional properly paid army is always going to be more effective than underpaid reluctant volunteer, I have also heard there is a lot of corruption and bullying that has led to murders and suicides in the Korean military so no a very bad idea. The whole thing needs an overhaul and to be changed to a more attractive career path. In Australia the people who go into military service do so because they want to, they are paid well, helped with housing and relocation packages. There is also the opportunity to study and be paid so it is often seen as a very positive pathway.
YES!!
Sweden tried having a professional army for 10 years almost. Didn't really work. Barely anyone enlisted. So they reinstated the draft.
That would be a terrible idea sadly. They need to draft these young men because of North Korea. But seriously though, the South Korean government needs to pay the soldiers better
@@NONO-oy1cu as they said the population is small. I won’t speak much in this tho only Korean men can really
Yes this is not a profession. Just take everyone for it? It's not making an army why mandatory? All delusional leaders see people as numbers. Real sufficient and effective army does not made from people that does not want to be in it.
Mandatory military completely ruined careers of many professional esport players.
But its selfish if you dont go, a pro osu player by the name of Cookiezi, or shigetora on openrec (formerly twitch) left SK for Japan because he didnt want to go, and his family had to pay a hefty fine for it.
SlayerS_`BoxeR` made it work... tho the South Korean Air Force literally had it's own Broodwar team.
They sucked though, which is understandable
And singers haha
(First world problems)
Exempting women from it 100% is really sexist against both men and women. The burden is placed solely on the men while the women are glossed-over as being too weak. I think that message may possibly be affecting how S.Korean women may carry themselves overall, perhaps?
I'm sure that the quality of their military would go up quite a lot if it were populated by people who want to be there rather than a bunch of kids just trying to get it over with, like one of the young men hypothesized.
lol if that were to happen i have a feeling flocks of women will marry foreigners asap just to not serve xD
But Korean feminists still mock these guys and they never think it's sexist
Bruh I don't know how you will take it but I won't trust my back to a female comrade in war ;_; I am not sexist or something but women are not physically and mentally equipped for war. It's just how nature works.
Bro are you kidding? Women have
childbearing organs...such tough physical training can be fatal.
@@jooheon4301 most of the soldiers in the army are not combat soldiers, but logistic, medical, intelligence etc.
in Israel the mandatory service is for men and women (allthough women serve 8 months less than men). the vast majority of the women aren't combat soldiers.
and yes, a woman who want to be in a combat unit need to sign a form that if she will have future pregnancy problems as a result of of the combat millitary service she won't be able to sue the army.
As a Korean male myself who has completed my military service, I totally think it is unnecessary or at least believe that the system should be changed. What I learned from my service is a better understanding of why the Korean society is the way it is and how our infrastructures were built. However, this was designed decades ago and requires to be more appropriate to the "real world". Instead there should be more privileges and pride for people who do work for the safety of the country. If needed to be mandatory, maybe create shorter frequent terms of basic training so people are prepared for what to do if there ever happens to be an emergency.
so what are you going to do if North Korea will attack ?
Not about the topic but who would dump her boyfriend who's in the military that's so cruel he couldn't even contact her and lol who would dump him he's so cute😂
Troll Armin Arlet really is it something common there woah...for me that means she didn't truely love him
+Los fails de Vicky my boyfriend told me the same
I would have understood why she did that. The person she knew could have changed and plus she cant connect with him.
pretty common
Her loss man
My uncle died in 1952, in Korean when he was 21, so that South Korea could have all it has and not live like North Korea. NEVER underestimate your enemy. NEVER
Truly thank for his sacrifice. students in my country occasionally go to the UN Cemetery and pay silent tribute to US military. we appreciate and honor their sacrifice
I was wondering if being cut off from society happens all thru the 2 years? I mean if that is what happens no wonder they hate it. Not even in America is like this. Americans don't have mandatory enlistment but those who do enlist they still get to call at least once a month while in training. After training they go to work like normal except it's on a military base and live there. The moral would be so low and depressing if they are isolated for 2 years. No phone calls? No vacation time?
I believe they do have days off/days where family can visit. Also they are allowed to receive letters. But that's about all I've heard
cezy20 my bf currently serves South Korean army and he is able to call me at least 3 times a week lol. So they aren't really isolated plus they get to use computers in the weekend and watch tv
thanks for the responses :)
cezy20 not sure if my reply is too late but from what i know it also depends on which department they work for and which base they are assigned to~ some allow more and some less. But generally nowadays they can use the internet at least on the weekend ( if not more) and they can also call, write letters etc. but usually hand phones are completely forbidden. I heard though that in certain departments/ fields they can actually use it but it really depends on the case! They get vacations too :)
I served in the military. U get to watch TV in free time and call 3 times a week as well as days off once in a while, and our friends visit from time to time
I'm a guy and I would never go to military. It would be the most traumatic thing in my life. Good that my country doesn't have mandatory military service anymore. Fortunately I wouldn't be able to go anyway because I'd get rank E
That’s great my friend :)
Military ain’t easy, you should do things that make you happy and comfortable👍👍
쟛같은 군대 안갈수 있으면 안가는게 답이지. 20대 초반에 시간만 낭비하고 빽있고 인맥있고 가진것들 가지도 않으면서 일반서민은 울며겨자먹기로 어쩔수없이 오라는데 안갈수도없고 반강제적으로 입대하고 2년이라는 청춘을 국가에 봉사하지만 남는건 아무것도 없지..
온가 전여자지만 군대가는남자불쌍함.. 여자친구헤어지고 군대가서 기합받거나 맞을수도있고 돈도 거의 안주지않나요? 윗사람들배만채우고 일반성인남성고생만시키죠.. 돈이라도 좀주던가 불쌍함..
온가 '남는건 아무 건도 없지'라는가슴이 찢어질 것같네요.국가와 희생과의 관계는 어디까지 한해지는 것인지..여자지만 휴전국 군민으로써 여성모병제, 여성기초군사훈련이나 보건교육 의무화등등 이러한 제도를 도입해야한다고 생각하고 국가안보에 관심이 많은 사람입니다. 국방의 의무를 지키다 돌아가신 영령들이나 신체적 정신적피해입은 사람에게 개좆같은 대우해주는 정부보면 진짜 할복해서 지네 가족들 나중에 전쟁나면 응급식량으로 장기다 빼먹으라고 냉동해놓고 싶다
35살까지 갈 수 있으니까 그때쯤 가면 되잖아요
군대 를 가는 남성의 노고는 당연히 인정 합니다. 하지만 여성의 사회 구조적인 차별엔 관심도 없던 남성들이 그저 자신들의 부당한 처우에만 관심을 가져주길 바란다는게 굉장히 아이러니 하네요.
여성은 군복무에서 '제외'를 당한거지 여성들이 군대 가기 싫다고 시위해서 안가는게 아닙니다.
그리고 모든 곳에서 차별을 당하고, 혐오를 당하는 사회적 약자인 여성이 현 제도의 불평등에 싸울 수 있겠습니까? 성평등이 이루어 져야 여성들도 군복무를 할 수 있는겁니다...
더 말하기엔 글이 너무 길어지니 구글에 여성 혐오, 페미니즘 서치하셔서 어느정도 배우시는게 좋을 것 같네요. 수고하세요.
- 오잉 너두가렴ㅎㅎ35살에
Quite an interesting topic. Its also cool to see that not everyone has the same opinion :)
01:06 what the heck! i would totally wait 2 years for that guy if it was me.
Hahahha
You can't judge by only appearance 😉
well if he's level can atleast glance at you
For most girls, it’s not simply about patience
But when you don’t see your boyfriend for so long you almost feel like you don’t know him anymore and such
You say that now but just wait until you're in it. And by the way, you can't contact him whenever you want. Communication is severely limited.
What the guy at 4:41 is talking about is the self induced helplessness that alot of Asians, especially men who have mandatory service develop. We lose the sense of initiative and ambitious spirit, making ourselves think that we are constricted by rules and can only follow higher authorities.
the person who said that women not having manditory military service could be a form of discrimination got it right. thank you
It was the dumbest thing said in the entire video.. How are women the victims when men are forced to do something they don't want to do?
@@tinomorgenstern3430 someone is triggered
@@tinomorgenstern3430 oh word that's not what i meant tho, my agreement wasn't meant to be like "and this is why women are the victims." I personally just meant that government mandated service for the country on the basis of gender is discrimination (against all parties, not on the basis of victimhood or something) because it unfairly subjects a certain group to follow pretty serious guidelines that aren't prescribed to another group. Weird asf to see something i wrote 4 years ago tho lmao
@@tinomorgenstern3430 The mandate isn't victimising women, but it's still a double standard.
Not allowing women to enlist is absolutely discrimination and unfair on both genders.
@@kirin1230 they do allow women to enlist.
It was unfortunate for my students, who were university English majors. They would leave haflway through their university career, and when they came back their English skills had totally regresssed.
guy from 2:10 speaks the truth with well educated perspective. 1 proud professional soldier > 10 barely 20 yrs old student who wants to go home.
2 years spent on something that won't take you anywhere in life financially or career wise, right at a time where their peers (women, friends abroad) are working towards their life goals. It puts the Korean men behind their peers. People talk about "starting points", this just deliberately puts a dent in it. Korean men are putting their life on hold to serve.
I have a feeling if there's no N. Korea, there may not be a conscription.
No dunno Einstein
The thing that I learned in Military is freedom is so sweet thing. You can't imagine how it is sweet and who watchs this video don't know that they'r already having freedom.
I joined Korean Military and I was discharged because of my lung problem I haven't done my military service I am still doing it as a social service. Anyway, don't want to go Amry ever again...
the Korean peninsula is still at war. only if the war stopped then the mandatory service will do the same
When north korea is your neighbor it makes sense to have mandatory military service even if it is unpleasant. That poor guy who got dumped whilst he did his!
The older gentleman had the right idea. There is a massive difference between people making their career the military and the people who just go to get it over with. Don't know why they go hard on them. I'd like to see a video like this with Israeli people who also have mandatory military service.
bfchang exactly, much better to have someone who wants to fight than someone whose forced to fight.
who else is here to read comments?
이경인 me lol
i'm here only for reading comments lol
외국인들이 군대에 대해 어떤 생각을 가지는지 읽으로 옴.
댓글 보고 느낀점: 대부분의 군대에 가 보지 않은 사람들은 군대의 힘듬을 알지도 이해하지도 못한다는 것
남녀를 떠나서 분단국가인 우리나라는 징병제를 실시하는게 맞는데 지금 군대 꼬라지보면 차라리 모병제로 돌려서 처우 개선하는게 나을듯 싶어요 월급이 고작 10 20만원밖에 안되고 가혹행위 고발도 자유로운 분위기도 아니고 위에서 돈이란 돈은 쪽쪽빨아먹는데 애국심을 미끼로 그딴데 갔다오라는게 좀 불합리함.. 아무도 안가야지 정신을 차리지
MS S 님도 군대갔다 와서 알겠지만 저는 전역한지 얼마 안된 핵짬찌 전역자이지만 군대 동기생활관 생기고 1년 단위인가 6개월 단위로 동기로 해서 말놓는거 때문에 완전 개판으로 됬어요
사실 저출산이나 청년실업문제에는 헬조선의 징병제가 가장 큰 원인인데 다들 모르는척하는거지. 군대때문에 경력단절이 일어나고 2년이라는 시간을 온갖 부조리가 일어나는 군대내에서 보낸 남자들은 제대했을때 뇌가 굳어있고 사회생활을 재시작하는데 어려움을 겪게되고 이로인해 취업을 늦게 하는거지(한국 첫취업 평균연령:32~) 그럼 왜 모병제로 전환을 안하는거냐고? 군대이미 갔다온 남자들은 지들 후배들이 군대안가는걸 보기 배아프니까 북한타령하면서 모병제를 반대하는거고 여자들은 취업할때 경쟁자들이 조금이라도없으면 좋으니까 모병제를 반대하는거지
날으는제비 군대 가기싫어하는 젊은이들 강제로 개나소나 끌고가면 그 젊은이들이 전쟁났을때 한국을 위해 싸워줄거라고 생각하나요?
so many young koreans are treated almost like a 'slave' in korean military. advertising that military service is the way to be a patriot, the nation only wants them to protect from north korea with less cost. what is worse, most of koreans say that men who struggled military can become real men and that's just one of social experieces you will have although terrible incidents happened in the military. more and more well being for military services is really needed.
Jason Shin Can you give examples of said terrible incidents? I'm really curious!
military service is tough, but definitely not terrible. i doubt ass1 has experience in the military, nor is even a korean citizen...
NoctLightCloud sgt.lim shoot out incident, pvt.yoon murder incident. both happened in 2014. google it
yeah I would be totally traumatized in the military
@@NoctLightCloud a lot of bullying, suicides, car accidents, bomb accidents etc.. one of my coworkers killed himself, one of my coworkers cut other coworkers leg.. etc..
As a woman, I think its a unfair that only men have to enlist. Women live in the same country, why should only men have to sacrifice their lives?
It's unfair indeed. But why do womens have to waste their lives too? The mandatory system is wrong. Its not womens or mens fault
@@belkzalpagu2738 yeah, i think making it mandatory is fundementally wrong. Like, they didn't ask to be born in south Korea, and the problem that SK has with NK has absolutely nothing to do with them nor the future generation, yet they're being used as a tool to be sacrifice in the name of nation.
@@belkzalpagu2738 so it's ok that men's lives are wasted but wrong that women have to waste theirs too?
@@belkzalpagu2738 it should never be mandatory, agreed
Conscription should be for 9 months or a year maximum. Soldiers will receive the training and knowledge to defend the nation without losing that critical extra year of their youth. While conscripted, soldiers must be offered at least 8 hours a week of either trade school classes (mechanic, medic, IT, carpentry, construction) that give them real life job options.
Soldiers should also have the option of taking 1 medical track class and one engineering track class per semester so that they aren’t a year behind when they graduate if they want to go to university. Knocking out sequential/blocking courses tremendously softens the blow of missing a year of school. It won’t hurt much to miss out on your history gen-ed which you can take any time. But it WILL hurt A LOT to miss Calc 1, because it will delay your graduation by 6 months because so many classes have Calc 3 as prerequisite.
In Sweden we used to have conscription (well, we actually just reintroduced it). Instead of having people serve for two years, we required them to do training, and then afterwards they would go on repeat training throughout the years. So, on average people had to spend less time in the military. 3 - 15 months, with pretty much all of it being training. Usually 9 months for the average infantry, 11 months for elite infantry, between about 12 - 15 months for special forces, but it has shifted a few months here and there through the years. The results were actually very good and most people who went through it thought positively of it. In the case of World War III Sweden was a very highly likely strategic target for the Soviet Union, and people understood that. South Korea has to be one of the countries with the most obvious need for a strong military, because of North Korea. I am surprised that not more South Koreans realise the danger.
You wrote WW3 lol, but that sounds like a much better system.
국가는 시민에게 권리와 안전을 보장해줘야 함. 그래서 안보는 중요함. 그런데 그 시민 중 어느 특정 성별을 가지고 특정 나이대인 시민을 강제로 끌고가 국가가 원하는 사람으로 개조시키고 특수한 상황이라는 이유로 반민주적이고 반인권적인 행위를 정당화 시킴. 인간이라기 보다 기계로 봐야 정당. 그런데 그들은 시민임. 국가는 시민을 위해 존재해야 함. 그게 민주주의임. 지금 우리나라와 같은 군 복무 형태는 우리나라의 존재가치를 깍아먹는 다고 생각함. 그리고 왜 우리나라와 같은 특수한 상황에서는 꼭 징병제여야 함? 한번 모병제 도입한 적 있었나? 시민에게 안전과 권리를 보장해주기 위해 세금을 걷고 국가는 시민 안전 및 권리 보장을 위해 군인을 채용해야 함. 노예처럼 부릴게 아니라 직장인 처럼 채용해야 함.
어떤 사람은 이렇게 말할거임. 반민주적이지 않으면 전쟁시 명령 무시하고 다들 총들고 안싸우고 도망갈꺼라고. 그런데 군 생활이 ㅈ같으면 군인들이 탈영하거나 군대 내에서 문제 일으킬거라는 생각은 안하나? 그런게 안보에 악영향을 끼칠거라는 생각은 안하나? 또한 모병제가 도입되었을때 그들은 적당한 대우를 받고 본인이 하고 싶기 때문에 하는 거기 때문에 오히려 더 열심히 싸울거라는 생각은 안하나?
BoBae 미군의 경우도 베트남 전쟁 당시 상관 살해가 문제가 되었죠...
Han Callme 그 당시에 미국은 징병제였나요?
BoBae 네 그렇습니다. 현재 한국과 마찬가지로 군인들을 막 대했던 시기로 알고 있어요... 그 후 미군부가 모병제로 바꿨다고 알고 있습니다.
현실적으로 불가능. 최대한 기계화 해도 최소 20만은 필요한데, 계속 감소되는 출산율 때문에, 지금도 20대 초반의 남자들을 20만 '모병'하라고 하면 불가능한데, 60만은 못해요
we have this in turkey as well and it really saddens me because innocent people actually die here because of the kurdish attacks and our government does so little to prevent this. its like if u serve near the kurdish people: u might get killed or you serve in more developed cities: you survive
Your government drafts you specially to rise hate of kurdians. Your government uses you to cover themselves much like terrorists hold people to cover themselves from police snipers.
Yep, feel sorry for you guys.
I just don't get that the turkish goverment doesn't get that if you trreat people like shit, you get shit back.
I'm not condoning the violance by the kurds by the way, but i can understand it.
And erdogan only seems to make it worse and you're right there in the middle of it.
NIELS MICHIELS i dont know how you can understand the things they do though. All i know is that they want a piece of our land to from their own country. And by our land i dont mean just the turkish people its also theirs. If they could just chill we could live in peace. People here dont hate the kurdish people at all we just hate the terrorists. Will they be happy anyway if they manage to form a country with innocent people's blood or in their hands...? Anyway i talked too much but i hope a kurdish person could see this and think about it.
Jungkook The Fencing Man
Well the problem with the situation is:
*reason 1:*
Some believe they were first there.
So why should they assimilate to the turks?
*reason 2:*
They think that the turks want to erase everything them makes them kurds.
identity:
the goverment seems to view everyone as "a turk" in turkey, if they like it or not.
Others only seem to view the kurds as the "mountain Turks who lost their language".
(which is kinda insulting.)
During the ottoman empire the kurds had at least some form of self automony.
Something ata turk got rid of to form a more western style goverment.
Which didn't fall him in good graces with them.
Language:
(self explanatory)
the goverment is trying to erase kurd language for decades.
history:
It isn't a secret that erdogan is rewriting history as he sees fit.
Including the kurd's history.
You want proof of this just try to find an old copy of ata turk's biography.
(and i mean realy old)
And then get a new one.
you'll see that many things are erased.
(Especialy about his views on religion)
*Reason 3:*
If you treat people like shit, they want to leave.
Like who is erdogan (and the administrations before him) hurting in responce to atacks?
Is it the terrorists or is it the normal kurdish population?
There is a kurdish region just over the border with turkey's kurdish region in iraq, *it is less bombed out than the turkish side* XD
Isn't it weird that the kurdish region in a country *at war* had a better quality of life than the one in turkey?
That says a lot don't you think?
And most of them don't even like the pkk, Even the ones that would like independece.
But they are always the ones who get punished.
Jungkook The Fencing Man it is a natural right of every ethnicity to separate and form tier state. Turks must learn this to stop suffering from their their ignorance. If Turks don't like it, they are also free to split from Turkey and to make their counrty.
Thank god that at least one of the men said that the fact that women do not do the mandatory service is discriminatory towards us. We are equally capable to do trainings like those, stop seeing our gender like if we were weak arrghhh.
You aren't capable of the same training though.
Moishe Gersherkuntzmanleibermanwitzstein I'm sure we are.
Sandra González Hito I can link you a list of the strongest people alive if you'd like
Moishe Gersherkuntzmanleibermanwitzstein Having strength doesn't mean capable of doing the military service.
Sandra González Hito never said it did
Twenty years ago in my counry, Spain, the military service was mandatory too. Here the service lasted 9 months and there were another alternatives like serve in red cross or some public services. Luckly, that finished long ago and these days the service is completly voluntary.
Great to hear another perspective
군대는 현대판 노예제도 맞지 이년 갔다오면 실질적으로 남는거 아무것도 없음 군가산점제부터 대우 확실히 해줘야함
+온가 나 남자야 새캬 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
sh t 군가산점은 공무원만 해당되니까 군가산점보단 좀 더 합리적인 제도가 필요하지 않나 시포요
MS S 여자들도 모병제로 지원해서 군입대 가능하게 하고 복무기간은 동일하게 적용해서 군가산점을 주면 된다고 생각합니다..
박상연 그게 아니라 군가산점은 공무원 시험 응시자만 해당되잖아요.. 연금이나 각종 편의시설 할인 등 군복무자 모두가 받을 수 있는 혜택이였으면 합니다
박상연 아니죠 여자도 징집해야죠 언제까지 남자만 징집되어야합니까??
in my opinion having ppl get forced to join the military without asking for there own thoughts and opinion is sad im pretty sure thats why ppl probably move out of there own country or other reasons bc its wrong if they were in a different country that doesnt feel that why they would have a better time bc where i live boys/girls arent asked to join they do it own there own well
Fr, it saddens me seeing male Koreans who don’t want to join the military, and good for them, they should have a right if they want to join or not
Male : 2y of mandatory sacrifice
= 2y late start for job comparing to their female counterparts.
Still it is socially obligatory for male to prepare “housing and car” when one has to marry.
The purpose of military conscription is to protect the assets/investments of the rich elites and politicians in the country. Not to defend the country as most are made to believe.
Completely depends on your view
Partly true.
Personally I think that professional soldiers are better prepared mentally to face combat and the sort of mental training they go through Is damaging to one's mind and If applied on conscripts (soldiers doing mandatory service) It would have many negative effects on society as a whole, and even without this crippling mental training this one guy reports having a lowered self esteem and repressed opinions around elders. That Is why conscripts miss this essential part of their training and that Is why a single professional soldier Is worth ten conscripts. In a situation that would make the conscript hesitate, the professional will shoot and In a situation when the conscript will panic, the professional will act calm and handle the situation. That Is why I believe that incentives like a higher salary and more generous support for veterans should be provided In order for more people to volunteer and eleminate countries's dependancies on mandatory service.
I also believe that In South Korea's case In particular, they maintain their huge army as a show for north korea. Their actual Intentions are not to wage warfare as an armed conflict with a rogue nuclear nation would go as well as you'd expect and the result would be more or less the same regardless of army strenght: total nuclear annihilation. In south korea's case these conscripts are there as a cheaper variant of the professional soldiers; A way for the government to save Itself a few million dollars per year In this geopolitical theatrical perfomance. Completely understandable but It still sucks that these people have to lose two years of their lives because their government has been playing a 50 year long game of "who's got the bigger dick" with north korea
군대를 갔다와서 얻은건 날려버린 젊은날의 시간.....들.. 2년 놀았어도 더 신나고 리드미컬하게 지냈을거 같음. 아.. 하나 남은건 미필자를 찐따로 보게되는 쓰잘때 없는 군부심... 내 2년간 무급노동의 마지막 보상심리같음
conscription may have been necessary in the past but not anymore
The issue is, that without conscription S. Korea would not have the capability to have a military with the numbers required by the nation. Being a nation of 50 Million people. South Korea currently has a standing military of 495,000 with 3 million in reserve, this is with conscription. The USA being a nation of 318 million, Has 1,400,000 active duty members serving in the military with 1.1 million in reserve. The USA being a much larger nation can sustain these numbers without conscription, remember also that the United States does retain a draft registry to conscript its citizens in times of war. Only 0.4% of the US population is serving in the military. If South Korea had the same percentage of citizens in an all volunteer military there would only be 200,000 members of their armed forces, a 94% decrease. South Korea is technically still at war with North Korea, although a ceasefire was agreed upon at the end of the Korean War, A peace treaty was never signed. Thus South Korea is a nation currently in a state of war although there is currently no armed conflict. With the way the world is right now, the future is very uncertain and we really have no idea what will come and I believe S. Korea needs to be prepared for anything with a large, powerful military.
I agree that they need the military power to fight off any potential invaders, however I agree with of the person's point of view in the video. Having all these young, unmotivated people in the military by force will only create a group of low morale, low skill, and "cannon fodder" in real times of war. In my opinion, it would make a lot more sense for S. Korea to have a small, but professional force made up of volunteers. They could also incentives people into joining, showing it as prestigious, having patriotism, or other social economical benefits. In this day and age of high tech warfare, I don't believe that just having more people will win you the war, and considering that S. Korea has a much more technological advance military, the greater number is not as important compared to having a prepared and motivated elite force.
Conscription even in war is just retarded, they should mobilize partisans. Look at the Soviets in WW2, many conscripted young men were like sheep to the Germans. When it comes down to the most important thing in war, it is about morale, discipline, and the will power of the soldiers. It does not matter how big your army is(like the Soviets), the thing is, are they doing it because this is what they want to do? And like DreamerXGX said, Korea should work with what willing soldiers they have and make them into a really powerful but small unit and he also mentioned high tech, this also breaks conscription, if one nuke can destroy a whole city, your soldiers are gone, so what is a big army going to contribute to your country?
if north Korea collapse then yea i dont think south korea needs a conscription base army do you want to know what country really dont need military conscription at all Singapore my country 2 years of full time military service and 10 years of reservist cycle duty and not an enemy in site all our neighboring countries are part of asean which we are a member of
Naive to think SG doesn't need conscription based army. SG has a history of occupation during WW2 and potential aggressors directly north of the border in malaysia, and also possibly south/southeast in indonesia. Are you unaware of the radical movements which occur in those countries and also in south thailand? Not to mention, SG and malaysian relations have been rocky since 1965. SG is a small city nation, and without a conscription based army, it would be rendered powerless to neighbouring countries wishing to take it. Although SG is "big boy" in the small-market which is ASEAN, without a proper army, or any other form of defense, SG wouldn't be able to brandish the power it does in the area right now. Moreover, Korea's military conscription isn't solely based on the existence of North Korea. The Korean peninsula is bordered by two of the largest and most powerful countries in the world (China, Japan) and also Russia. For a mid-sized country like Korea, a military is crucial for survival in the area. Do you think Singapore could have even survived if it were located in east asia? Would it survive with only a full-time army in SEA? I'm highly doubtful.
The reason why South Korea has mandatory 2 year (give or take) military service is because they're still technically at war with North Korea.
Honestly, I can see why they have such a law in place for all citizens of South Korea, but as mentioned in this video, I think it is unnecessary. They're forcing its citizens to go through 2 years of their lives to train themselves in case of a war.
It's been a little over 60 years since the armistice was signed and there hasn't been any conflict.
Also, the fact that women are not forced into the military service can be viewed as sexist.
A lot of these rules and laws in South Korea (not saying others countries are not like this) are antiquated and created decades ago as a precaution. Times have changed a lot and I think that they should make military service a volunteer basis. That way, they're more likely to train more dedicated and specialized military personnel rather than people who are there because they are told to be there.
The requirement of being a male, physically fit, and mentally fit sort of makes my point a bit relevant since they have exceptions to it. So some people could use their family's wealth or political influence to get out of service. Some could intentionally gain weight to get our of service, Some could (god forbid) get into a physical accident that leaves them permanently scarred.
Granted there are other ways people can service like working at a company, but even then they have to do the basic training thing from what i understand.
And to be honest, if there is an actual war between the North and South Korea, I feel like a large majority would be handled by South Korea's military allies like the US.
Basically, I'm saying that the mandatory military service requirement is a very old world, antiquated practice that needs to be changed.
xxnike629xx the reason why there hasnt been any big conflict is because of these contingencies such as mandatory conscription and defense. Its true if wae breaks America will lead the war but how many korean casualties?
What!, even in india it not mandatory with population of 1.3 billion and having two big enemy's countries china and pakistan
Just my opinion but I don’t think anyone should be forced to join the military, especially just because of their gender
Agreed
Military service MUST NOT be mandatory. State should not have a right to force citizens to do something but simply obey the laws. Serving the home country is a good thing. But any legal work is serving to the country. Then, why only military service must be mandatory? It is not fair
The issue is, that without conscription S. Korea would not have the capability to have a military with the numbers required by the nation. Being a nation of 50 Million people. South Korea currently has a standing military of 495,000 with 3 million in reserve, this is with conscription. The USA being a nation of 318 million, Has 1,400,000 active duty members serving in the military with 1.1 million in reserve. The USA being a much larger nation can sustain these numbers without conscription, remember also that the United States does retain a draft registry to conscript its citizens in times of war. Only 0.4% of the US population is serving in the military. If South Korea had the same percentage of citizens in an all volunteer military there would only be 200,000 members of their armed forces, a 94% decrease. South Korea is technically still at war with North Korea, although a ceasefire was agreed upon at the end of the Korean War, A peace treaty was never signed. Thus South Korea is a nation currently in a state of war although there is currently no armed conflict. With the way the world is right now, the future is very uncertain and we really have no idea what will come and I believe S. Korea needs to be prepared for anything with a large, powerful military.
This being said, I think the Republic of Korea should retain conscription, but should give members better salaries and benefits.
Nolan Cummings Now that in the recent census where females outnumbered males, what will be the future of this mandatory service?
***** Robotics and AI. But your average Koreans want peace and reunification with the North, as well as expulsion of American military presence in their soil and formulate an independent foreign policy
Nolan You've copied and pasted the same response in 4 comments... This doesn't do anything to make your point any more agreeable because you think it is. It just makes you look like you are parroting and regurgitating something without actually having your own opinion, even if that's not your intention.
While yes there needs to be more benefits for military service. I do not think conscription or the draft is a good idea for a democracy at all. No one should have to be forced into the military because of some war/fear mongers law.
Nolan Cummings well written
democracy is an overused term that is very laughable. South korea is a presidental constitutional republic. It runs on laws that people can vote Representatives to veto these draft laws. Its ironic how you say its not a good idea for a democracy when the textbook definition of a democracy is ruled by the majority.
guy at 0:56 is so cute omg
i was his face in the thumbnail and decided to watch .he is cute
Kaito .X .otaku same lol
Aaron Hangshing saw his face con the thumbnail that's why I watched this lol
I thought it was jaykeeout that's why i watched it
Aaron Hangshing and he got dumped by his girlfriend 😂
i felt sorry for the guy that got dumped because he was in the army ; ( who ever she was dont worry she wasn t worth it u ll find someone better that will stay with u trough all the hard times :*
Put a poll, if most people don't want the draft remove it from law. If most people do want it then check if most girls also voted to keep it. Then add girls to the draft too.
@✷jin's ramen⁷✷ hmm good point, removal isn't really an option at this point.
nah democracy is stupid
Then south Korea would be invaded in no time
너무 슬픕니다 ㅠㅠ 저는 현역 군인입니다. 제 시간이 날라가는 것 같습니다. 세상과 단절된 느낌
어쩌겠냐... 힘내라... 에효... 진짜 남자로 태어난게 그렇게 큰 죄냐... 근데 더 화나는건 여자애들은 자기들이 사회에서 피해 본다고 생각하기 때문에 앞으로 더 많은 혜택들을 요구할거라는거야. 이제는 진짜 남자들이 뭉쳐야 할 때야.
Turkey has mandatory military service as well. However you can choose to pay a large sum of money to the government so you can be exempted. I was born in the U.K but my dad is Turkish. I want to have a Turkish citizenship but that means when I turn 18 I will have to do military service.....something I want to avoid at ALL costs.
I think the idea of mandatory military service is very good for people and the nation, however, I think it would be good to make it a little less shitty of an experience lol Especially in S Korea who is always in constant threat of N Korea, having a huge pool of people in your society who know basic military structure, how to operate the stand issue military weapons of your nation and basic military tactics and stuff is good. But if you make them all hate the experience and make their life suck, lose girlfriends etc, they might just end up resenting their lost time they could have had with family, friends, career growth etc and dislike their nations military and government instead of grow stronger as a nation.
It's understandable why it's mandatory in South Korea because of the small population and them being neighbors to North Korea. I'm sure there's other reasons too. It makes me wonder, how many Korean citizens would volunteer if it wasn't mandatory?
I just think that any country that still has mandatory miltary service and death penalty must have something wrong at the core of their systems.
@@moelester2797 Sadly I never had a chance to spend enough time in Finland to say something about this specific case. All I can say is that there are many Countries that are at the peak of technological evolution (and everything that comes with it) but most of the time those Countries have, for example, the highest suicide rates in the world. I think every case has to be analyzed from an objective, generalized point of view. Am I too naive to think and believe that we shouldn't be prepared to resolve our issues as humankind with other means instead of plain force and violence?
Death penalty isn't bad
He said, "If you have less teeth you get exempted!"
Why so savage? LOL
The guy in the grey sweater who was advocating for voluntary enlistment into the army is totally correct.
if anything was to happen, god forbid, it would be better to have people who are actually well-trained and prepared as career soldiers rather than just ordinary citizens who are only there for 2 years just to fulfill their mandatory service
the s. korean government should somehow encourage more voluntary enlistment for *both* women and men - provide some really good benefits or pay since it's a super crucial job anyways
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You never fail to make me learn something interesting and new
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Interesting topic to hear about from a foreigner's perspective.
Im currently doing my mandatory military service in the Finnish Defence Forces and the serving times for us range from 6 months to a year. I think that 2 years is too much for a young person to sacrifice for ones country. I dont know how it is in South-Korea but we can spend most weekends at home and most evenings we can leave the military base to do whatever we like. And we can use our phones.
Don't know how 2 years is too much because if you think about it, 2 years is not a big portion of your life. The Korean system of course needs some changes in to the quality of life in the military just like in Finland. The 6 months to 1 year doesn't sound like much but if you think about it in 2 years you can learn a lot more. So my point is that in the end 2 years in the military is not that bad. 1/22 res gonakorppi
@@LeinoSmaul Pitää muistaa et se 2 vuotta on nuoren elämästä, joka on ehkä tärkein ajankohta elämässä.
@@ollum1tärkeetä aikaa on, mutta edelleen opinnot yms. voi hoitaa myös sen jälkeen. molemmissa maissa ollaan kumminkin jo totuttu tähän järjestelmään.
Still sounds like a prison
@@PAULSGEO Yeah if you refuse you ironically get more freedoms while being in house arrest.
In my country Pakistan, our military is in the top 10s also but contrary to Korea getting into the military academy is quite a competition! the selection is quite strict and youngsters even wait to try for next terms on failure.
아 ㅆ 난 군대만 아니였으면 지금쯤 유학갔겟지 ㅅㅂ 미국전문사립학교인데
2년제 ㅋㅋ ㅅㅂ 군복부기간임... 군대가는게 두렵다기보다 시간이 아깝다.. 글고 왜 내가 군대갈려하니까 모병제도입소리가 나오냐 ㅈㄴ억울하네 모병제 도입하면 우리 군복무 기간좀 깎아줘라... 내시간이 너무 아깝다
민다윗 모병제 되려면 한참 멀었어요 ㅎㅎ 안심하시고 군복무 다녀오시길
염태광 에혀 봊같겠다
근데 어자피 외국 이민이나 유학 계속 하려면 한국 국적이 있으니 군대 가야 합니다.. 제 고등학교 동창도 미국에서 로스쿨 다니다가 군대 갔는데....
개인적으로 여자지만 군대생활 2년이 정말 아깝다고 생각 됩니다. 징병제가 꼭 필요한지 모르겠네요... 적은 시급으로 군대 의무을 다해주신 분들 고마워요! 그래서 우리가 편하게 살 수 있지 않나 싶네요.
Imagine you are at your peak, at your best time to chase your life, your dreams, when you are about to start a new life as adult and your country told you to leave and sacrifice it all for years with no reward. That's hard. I salute every one on them
Correct me if i'm wrong. But what the last guy said is quite true.. its like conditioning the people to be sheep without criticizing or questioning orders. This makes it quite easy for government to take steps in mass mind control.
In India there no such rule of mandatory. and women can also join the military if they want nd in our country voluntarily most people applied for the military service which is more than the requirements. :)
Ya, that's true because I am also an Indian 😊
But actually the thing is that as you know India is the 2nd most populous country in the world so our population is veryyyy large😂 so here are many persons sufficient enough to serve in the military sector and that's why it is kept voluntary....but in South Korea it's population is very small so that's why there every male is being forced to take military training.
국방의 의무에서 배제된 것이 오히려 여성에 대한 차별이다. -공감-
We have the same "problem" in Iran. I just ask you a couple of questions: "What if I don't want to participate in a war which previous generations started it? Why I have to pay the price for it? And you think it makes me to like the country? Or to hate it?" That's all.
I think that Korean men should choose
Conscription is expensive for any economy.
Conscription of women isn't a good idea, but there are many jobs in the armed forces that women do very well.
wow. I am from America and I am a female. My brother has not served in the military but when he turned 18 he had to register for the draft. I am not sure if they still do this but back in the early 2000's they still had to. I, myself, went into the military at 17. Right after high school. It was a learning experience and I wouldn't recommend it for everyone. It taught me a lot of life skills and how to push forward and get things done. I served for 4 years and was discharged honorably. If I could go back and do it all over again, I would but I would have stayed in for at least 8 to 10 years. Such is the life. For other people, I think you need a certain temperament to join. They push you, test you and hit every button you wish they wouldn't hit. But you have to reign it all in and take it. Most people can't do it. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I am surprised I lasted 4 years and wanted to go back.
yingfaa they still need to retain the selective services but really the program has been inactive since 1973. Especially with the jugnement of the joint chiefs and Secretary of Defense that program will not be activated in foreseeable future because all the capabilities that the US Military has right now are geared toward an all voluntary force and the type of effectiveness we have doesn't make anyone miss the days of the draft.
trying my best to understand about this issue since Jin enlisted yesterday. i miss him so much!
The South Korean government may want to offer "Alternative Service" where you join a law enforcement agency, intelligence agency or other "protective" agencies, such as firefighters, paramedics, or specialized medical services(Medical school/ advanced dentistry )
what if someone genuinely disagrees with the idea of war and doesn't want to have anything to do with it
You go to jail
one of them talked about MC mong's scandal
ROFL
여기 외국 댓글들만 봐도 여초란걸 알 수가 있는데, 남자들에게만 의무를 지게 하는게 오히려 여성에게도 성차별적이라는 말에 동감하고있음. 개념 자체가 없는 한국 여초 커뮤니티와는 페미니즘, 성차별에 대한 이해 수준이 현저히 다르다는 걸 알 수 있는 부분
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한국인들 댓글도 꽤 있더라
페미니스트 진영에서도 하는 말이 그거다. 남성 징병제는 남성에 대한 차별(역차별)이 아니라 성차별의 결과라고. 해방되고 반세기가 지나고서야 육사가 여자생도를 받았단 것만 봐도 알수 있지. 왜 의무에서 여성이 박탈됐으며 여성을 수용할 인프라, 젠더의식이 선행되지 않으면서 군복무 자체가 성차별을 정당화하는데 쓰이고 어떻게 한국사회의 마초적 병영문화를 지탱하고있는지를 논리적으로 생각해봐라
외국인들 댓글보니. 왜 모병제로 안바뀌는지 궁금하다. 2년은 너무 길지 않냐는 이야기가 나오는데. 영상에 돈(급여)에 관한 내용이 없는게 아쉽네요. 부정적인 인식속에서도 징병제를 유지하는 제일 큰 이유인데 말이죠.
0:58 best voice crack of the century😂
I think it is intentional intonation in speech, not a voice crack.
Asian Boss is growing steadily now~ happy to see that (✳¯︶¯✳)
Mandatory service is stupid, I am in Greece and here it is the same (but not as long as in S. Korea). I feel like mandatory military service boosts the rift between nations and people, there it is S. Korea vs N. Korea, Japan etc, here it is Greece vs. Turkey and it is dumb... It is time things change...
Korea is surrounded by large countries just like China, Japan, Russia.
Not because of North Korea
I'm glad I watched this and heard what people had to say about the mandatory Korean military enlistment for Korean men. ☺
4:05 love his insight
Move to Europe
we technically do have mandatory military service in the states. you have to register for selective service if you are between the ages of 18 and 25 incase there is draft
미국이랑 비교대상이 안돼 한국은 인구랑 예산에서 부터.. 모병제는 힘과 체력이 중요한 능력으로 작용하는 군대에서 남성병력이 확연히 줄테니 안되고 징병제를 하되 남녀 모두 징병하면서 지금처럼 거의 감옥생활이 아닌 특정 훈련을 받는 일정 기간들만 합숙을 하고 나머지 기간은 군대에서 일정 시간 채우면 그날 바로 사회 나와서 학교를 가든 일을 하든 할 수 있게 하는게 좋을 것 같음 일반사병도 간부들처럼 출퇴근 형식으로
아시안보스님 어제 충고 잘 받았습니다! 더욱 성장하는 크리에이터가 될께요 ㅎ
난 여자라 군대 안 가는데도 군대 얘기 듣다보면 혈압 오름. 20대 바쳐서 가면 대우도 좀 잘해주고 돈도 좀 주고 그래야지. 시설도 쓰레기고 자유도 뺏기고 진짜 헬조선에서 태어난 죄다. 그리고 여자도 뭔가 책임을 져야 하긴 함. 복무를 할 수 없는 건 어느 정도 맞지만 뭔가 다른 책임을 져야 함.
복무를 할 수 없다기보단.. 효율이 떨어지니 다른 방식으로 책임을 져야 한다고 봄
Thank you for your videos.
As a Libertarian Foreigner i cared about the people in korea but against their government because their government forces men to be soldiers and forcing people is bad
Usually it's bad and I agree
wow what an uneducated statement
most annoying thing is you cant get passport and leave the country until you finish the service,im from iran and also serve for 22 months but im glad its over,now i can go wherever i want.
and no matter the culture in every country that have that,they all say you have to pass it to become real man lol.
마지막에 다들 말하는 군대 문화가 사회생활에 적응하는데 도움 주었다는것에 대해서 너무 슬프다. 그런 방식이 절대 옳은게 아닌데 한국의 전체적인 사회에 깔려있고 강요되다 보니 고치는 것 조차도 힘들어서 더 짜증나고 안타깝다.
Great video and looking forward to more,
I have a small amount of constructive criticism. First, if possible make your videos on such an interesting topic longer :)
Second. Let's hear why the ladies think. I know military service in Korea is only for males, but it effects women too. I would like to hear their side.
Thanks Asian boss, regardless of my options I'm really enjoying your content and I'm looking forward to more, I live in HongKong and hope you can have a look in this direction, I have a few ideas:)
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엠씨몽 진짜 좋아했었는데...
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I think they should treat men and women equally.... Men are doing it half heartedly.. I think they do need more permanent soliders
You should never have conscripted I
military service exemption for women. If a woman is going to be president of the country, and Commander in chief of the armed forces, then women must shoulder the same burden. I have a hard time with a woman ordering a man to fight, especially young men with their lives ahead of them, and not having to share the same burden of defending the country as men.
Sooo useful!! This video was soo goood thank you for ur hard work