Learning the art of fugue with J.S.Bach's The Art of Fugue: Analysis of Contrapunctus I

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  • Опубликовано: 8 ноя 2024

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  • @trocomposition4216
    @trocomposition4216  4 года назад +12

    Erratum: Bar 56 in bass should read p5 (perfect 5th) rather than p4.

    • @Geopholus
      @Geopholus Год назад

      perfect fifths and fourths,.. have a certain equivalence if they are in the same octave and one transposes one of the elements up or down an octave. for instance , moving upward, "F" to "C" =fifth, "C" to "F" =forth. A simple symmetry, very useful to be aware of when composing. Shifting the reference of "what is the root key", sort of the same effect, Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven, often used the trick of using an ambiguous metrical figure to change the beat emphasis, in a work, to make us think the key has moved to the dominant or subdominant, by this kind of strategic use of 4th and 5ths ... up or down ?...

  • @zacharykeenan7723
    @zacharykeenan7723 Год назад +12

    Thank you so much for a brilliant and heartfelt analysis!
    As a 17 year old, I was a fan of mostly metal and classic rock.
    I was fortunate (and uniquely blessed) to take a music theory class in high school with a teacher who introduced the class to Bach and his genius.
    I'm now 50 years old and for the last 33 years, Bach has been my musical mainstay.
    This video has reinforced and taught me afresh the unsurpassed genius of Bach.
    Rarely can something simultaneously move both the heart and the mind.
    Thanks again.

    • @trocomposition4216
      @trocomposition4216  Год назад +4

      Thank you for the kind words, Zachary! Metal in particular has learned a lot from Bach so I can see how your 17 year old self would have responded to it so positively 👍

  • @ban9nas177
    @ban9nas177 6 месяцев назад +3

    “Technique only has value when it serves an end that transcends the means” How beautifully said! Thank you for this wonderful video dear sir. This piece lives in a deep place within my heart.

  • @Mymusicaldream
    @Mymusicaldream 4 года назад +8

    One of the best Pieces Ever written!

  • @InsaneCarville
    @InsaneCarville 6 месяцев назад +1

    Countless arrangements I've been listening to for a few months and couldn't put my finger on why I loved it so much... until NOW.
    Thank you so much for doing this!

  • @mattwilliams8582
    @mattwilliams8582 2 года назад +14

    As a teenage rocker into Metallica I accidentally came across Zoltan Kocsis' rendition of this. Threw the disk into my Alpine CD player. Sounded like jumbled notes the first time, second time my brain went "what?, wait, there is a complex pattern here". I became fixated on the entire work trying to understand the pattern and structure and at the same time falling in love with the tonal beauty. It was like I was in possession of some form of extra-terrestrial machine that no one else could see. Tried getting all my friends into it. None took to it. If fact it was annoying to them. Anyone have a hypothesis as to why some people can understand and enjoy this music but assumingly most cannot?

    • @Adar195
      @Adar195 Год назад +1

      I totally agree with you and i have the same question?What limits most to not "get" these pieces?I expect a certain level of musicianship is necessary even to start grasping these masterworks and this also explains the immense popularity of pop and popular songs/pieces,but it is yet to explain it fully.

    • @fatitankeris6327
      @fatitankeris6327 Год назад +1

      @@Adar195 It's the idea that there's a harmony, but it's not just chords, it's counterpoint, and it is a combination or layering of several voices that have EACH THEIR OWN MELODY, though they enter into the group by the means of the original, first melody, known as the subject. That means that it is incredible complexity to behold in many of these fugues, but as with all things, complexity isn't always enjoyed, in most cases people don't like it... Yet some people have an appreciation for it, imagine a complex clock or machine, that has so many parts, yet it does something beautifully smooth when they all work together. Some will be consumed by amazement, others will get confused and turned away, often most...

    • @Adar195
      @Adar195 Год назад

      @@fatitankeris6327 thank you very much.

    • @Geopholus
      @Geopholus Год назад +1

      As to why so many people don't "get" Art of Fugue, and why do those of us who do, find it so sublime. I think all the answers of the other commenters are hitting on the right ideas, and maybe there is also something more. Long ago I attempted to list all the Rock pieces/songs that either made it into "top 40" or were on an Album that did, that either were directly lifted from Bach, or were a development/variation of something he wrote. There are about 30 ! Most of them emphasize a nice lyrical melodic line,... Art of fugue is all about interweaving and interleaving different lines that still, in the end, seem to present a unity of purpose.... it is much more difficult to comprehend, or even, just plain hear it, in terms of melody. It is difficult often because the "melodiousness" can be a long slow simple pattern, or a fairly busy quick changing pattern, and so many things can be happening simultaneously in Art of fugue ! A lot of musicians L O V E Bach best, but also many people in the sciences (especially physicists ) and other creative people. Surely it has something to do with recognizing complex patterns that are based on fundamental principles, and the joy of seeing into the secret thicket deep in the weeds. For those who can't hear what is going on, it is frustrating,... they throw up their hands in disgust,... what the hay. They can hear something is happening but they just can't get the hang of it.

    • @frenchimp
      @frenchimp Год назад +3

      My answer would be: a form of open-mindedness. You listened to it twice, you gave it a chance. You perceived that there was something there you couldn't grasp all at once, and instead of putting you off, this stimulated your curiosity. I think you have the mental attitude of a researcher; Bach was a researcher. Many people are mentally lazy, they only enjoy what's familiar to them, they're looking for things that look like them - like the person they are, not like the one they could become, if they gave a chance to the infinite potential that's in them...

  • @roberthubbard5696
    @roberthubbard5696 Год назад +2

    This is just what I have been looking for! AoF is my favorite musical piece but I wanted to understand why it is so deeply moving. I’m not a musician but your analysis gets even to me. Wonderful, unique, and very much appreciated!!

  • @raycasbierd
    @raycasbierd 3 месяца назад +1

    When ever I get lost in a tangent of miss information I come back to this video it's brilliant, I love how bach utilises the accents on 1 & 3 of his concomitent parts by using smaller lead in notes to emphasise the strong beat or creates space at these points for another voice to do it. It's Magical and Marvellous work can we expect any more videos please? Ray

    • @trocomposition4216
      @trocomposition4216  3 месяца назад +1

      Thanks! I’ve been busy with my own composition and the day job recently but definitely need to get back to this soon 👍

  • @robbes7rh
    @robbes7rh 2 года назад +2

    I totally agree. Even with this unassuming opening fugue Bach demonstrates his Midas touch with musical notes giving us this perfectly proportioned gem of extraordinary beauty. Imagine what things must follow from his fecund musical mind as he embarks further on this monumental work.

  • @hanztimbreza6217
    @hanztimbreza6217 3 года назад +10

    I am very glad that youtube recommended this video to me. I am not a musician nor do I play any instruments but I love listening to Bach. This analysis, which is understandable for a non-musician like me, makes me appreciate Bach's genius even better. I didn't even notice that this video is 29 minutes long.
    One suggestion though: after concluding the detailed analysis, play the whole piece uninterrupted, while displaying all the coloured annotations in the score. This will help the viewers recall the analysis next time we listen to the piece on our own.

    • @trocomposition4216
      @trocomposition4216  3 года назад +5

      Thanks, Hanz. Glad you found it interesting! Good idea re playing the full piece at the end 👍

    • @Geopholus
      @Geopholus Год назад

      @@trocomposition4216 Yes please play the entire piece at the end. That was also especially what I was hoping for though I have heard this piece close to 1,000 times and indeed have played it. Your analysis is beautiful and delightful.

  • @spiritualpolitics8205
    @spiritualpolitics8205 Год назад +2

    This was a fabulously deep and detailed musicological lecture; I don't think I've ever heard anything like it.
    Please keep up your fine analyses, particularly of the AoF! It helps me in my compositional aspirations, and I suspect these lectures will become preeminent on that greatest of contrapuntal works...

    • @trocomposition4216
      @trocomposition4216  Год назад

      Thanks! I definitely need to get back to AoF soon - it’s such a treasure trove of musical wisdom ☺️

  • @robbes7rh
    @robbes7rh 2 года назад +2

    Quick comment just to let you that returning to this video 7 months later I had an even more rewarding experience letting the ideas sink deeper into my ever evolving musical imagination. There is depth to Bach perhaps nowhere more evident than in the Art of Fugue and in this very opening fugue that you’ve done a wonderful job explicating in your analysis.

    • @trocomposition4216
      @trocomposition4216  2 года назад +1

      Thanks for the generous words! Really glad you’re finding the video rewards repeated viewing 👍

  • @RinzePrins
    @RinzePrins Месяц назад +1

    fantastic analysis, you have ' transcended' the sometimes dry analysis to compositional insights. As a viewer I could feel that you are a composer. If you ever were to get round to it, more content like this would be very welcome.

  • @loganbarnes8621
    @loganbarnes8621 4 года назад +3

    You madman, you're already tackling the Art of the Fugue!? What a strong start you are giving your channel haha. Terrific work!

  • @NN-rn1oz
    @NN-rn1oz Год назад

    Good mythical morning, Link. And thanks for the great lesson!

  • @gregbowden7786
    @gregbowden7786 4 года назад +8

    This was wonderful. I hope you do more from Art of the fugue.

    • @trocomposition4216
      @trocomposition4216  4 года назад +1

      Thanks, Greg. Glad you liked it! Yes, more on its way 😊

    • @jelonec4585
      @jelonec4585 3 года назад

      And I second this. Absolutely gripping! Bravo and thank you for your excellent work!

  • @petermole3872
    @petermole3872 Год назад +1

    8:04 You seem to have gathered a lot of admirers with this video. Let me join them. I have come back to Contrapunctus I in recent weeks and having watched again, I am sure I shall play better tomorrow. Thank you very much

    • @trocomposition4216
      @trocomposition4216  Год назад

      You’re very welcome, Peter! Thank you for the kind words 😊

  • @nathaniellevy7956
    @nathaniellevy7956 8 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you for the terrific analysis of this piece. Incredibly thorough and very useful. If I may make one suggestion, please feel free to play the sections you're discussing more often, even twice. It's always helpful to the brain to put the words right next to the phrases you're discussing.

  • @canman5060
    @canman5060 2 года назад +1

    Love this anaylsis.

  • @AndreasMartinLaute
    @AndreasMartinLaute 11 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you so much for this wonderful explanation. I’ve been listening to this masterpiece of human genius since my early childhood now being a lutenist mainly performing works for the Renaissance lute but also the few pieces Bach wrote for the Baroque Lute. I particularly like your last statement of your video concerning the “means”. You have a new subscriber - all best wishes! Andreas Martin, Lute & Guitar

    • @trocomposition4216
      @trocomposition4216  11 месяцев назад

      Thank you for the kind words, Andreas! It means a lot ☺️🙏

  • @juankliss
    @juankliss 3 года назад +2

    This is a very serious channel that should break into the algorythm's spiral and get some larger attention. keep it up! Composing my own 4 part fugue in tango style right now! greetings from argentina.

    • @trocomposition4216
      @trocomposition4216  3 года назад

      Muchas gracias, Juan! A tango fugue sounds like a fun challenge 😊 Good luck with it! 👍

    • @SpaghettiToaster
      @SpaghettiToaster 3 года назад

      @@trocomposition4216 There‘s a very nice one by Piazzola in case you didn‘t know!

    • @trocomposition4216
      @trocomposition4216  3 года назад +1

      @@SpaghettiToaster Loved it! Thanks for the recommendation 😊

  • @blakec.s.franchetto9522
    @blakec.s.franchetto9522 3 года назад +3

    Great analysis, very clear and well presented. Look forward to hearing more from you. Insightful

  • @samaritan29
    @samaritan29 4 года назад +3

    can't wait for contrapunctus XIV!

  • @gunnarharaldsson5317
    @gunnarharaldsson5317 3 года назад +3

    Thank you very much! This is fantastic. Hope you do more analysis of Bach!

  • @russellshanahan8810
    @russellshanahan8810 2 года назад +2

    This is a fantastic analysis thank you for the time and effort.

  • @rogerramjet6615
    @rogerramjet6615 Год назад +1

    Great work thanks.

  • @VaughanMcAlley
    @VaughanMcAlley 3 года назад +2

    Contrapunctus I is amazing. Basic ingredients done perfectly, like an espresso from a middle-aged Italian barista. Good on its own, or as the starting point for something more fancy.

  • @AlexSmith-r6e
    @AlexSmith-r6e Месяц назад +1

    May I asked how have you been? I’ve loved this deep dive analysis of pieces(even the ones where you didn’t speak, the Mozart Sonata, was amazingly insightful), and would love more.

    • @trocomposition4216
      @trocomposition4216  Месяц назад

      Thanks for the kind words! The day job and my own composing have been keeping me busy but I’m hoping to get back to the channel soon 👍

  • @ittaimazor9154
    @ittaimazor9154 4 года назад +2

    Loved your analysis, it was clear and detailed.
    I"m singing this piece in the format of a mixed vocal quartet and this will help us allot to lead the interpetation much more.
    Thanks allot!

    • @trocomposition4216
      @trocomposition4216  4 года назад

      Thanks! Wow, that sounds challenging - good luck with the performance! 😊

  • @PushkaryovVsevolod
    @PushkaryovVsevolod 3 года назад +7

    Увлечённо рассказывает. Сразу видно, - человек любит музыку и знает о чём говорит. Вот бы услышать из его уст рассказ о том как построены французские сюиты И. С. Баха.

    • @trocomposition4216
      @trocomposition4216  3 года назад +2

      Спасибо! Я хотел бы когда-нибудь снять видео о французских сюитах 👍

  • @riverstun
    @riverstun 4 года назад +4

    Thank you. I've been waiting for something like this for a long time. I especially like your descriptions of what he's doing in g minor and why. All too often, I just dont uniderstand Bach's accidentals. So for example the F# at the beginning of the piece just seems random. But when you describe it as prefiguring the much later entry in G minor, it makes sense. Also, the weird (in a good way) accidentals in the Coda also make sense now.

    • @riverstun
      @riverstun 4 года назад +1

      Love to see a deep analysis of the first 4 bars of the B minor Kyrie, btw; I have no idea of how he achieves most of what he does.

    • @trocomposition4216
      @trocomposition4216  4 года назад +3

      Thanks, riverstun. Glad you found it useful 😊 Bach's harmonic control is indeed amazing!

    • @Geopholus
      @Geopholus Год назад

      Riverston, so nice to see You here,.. it's been a while... I find that Bach almost always prepares us a little, to be on our guard for a journey into distant lands. He often begins a piece, off the down beat, introduces a slightly off balance idea before he has finished making his first statement, and there is always a suggestion that something deeper is going on. I never liked the term "accidental", as there is nothing accidental about them,... they always fit perfectly into the pattern being described...if the piece is in, one of the more formal idioms. In Bach this is always the case. I don't think Bach ever wrote a piece that stays strictly in one key, but he always modulates in a completely organic way. One of his biographers (perhaps Christoff Wolfe (spelling?)) mentioned that Bach seems to use "scales" that are combinations of different modes or scales before he has even spanned an octave, or borrows elements suggesting a different mode or key certainly before going the distance of 2 octaves.

  • @rogerperry2182
    @rogerperry2182 3 года назад +1

    Thanks to you I love Bach even more !

  • @omarsalcedodelatorre6255
    @omarsalcedodelatorre6255 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for your analysis! It helped me a lot!!👍😉

  • @OfficialDanieleGottardo
    @OfficialDanieleGottardo 2 года назад +1

    What a great lesson!!!

  • @canman5060
    @canman5060 2 года назад +5

    You may need a two hour video for the unfinished Contrapunctus 14 with three subjects !

  • @aniruddhvasishta8334
    @aniruddhvasishta8334 3 года назад +3

    24:35 - "Used judiciously, silence is one of the most powerful weapons in the composer's armory"

  • @Tylervrooman
    @Tylervrooman 3 года назад +1

    Great work! Can't wait to see more!

  • @AntonioLarizza
    @AntonioLarizza 4 года назад +1

    Nice job dear friend, thank you!

  • @CristianRettigBianchi
    @CristianRettigBianchi 11 месяцев назад +1

    Nice coda in your video btw. Congrats.

  • @luciangabrielpopescu
    @luciangabrielpopescu 3 года назад +1

    Truly amazing analysis: 28:14

  • @albarylaibida1214
    @albarylaibida1214 3 года назад +2

    Excellent video! I wonder if it would be possible for you to make a video composing a fugue of your own. I think that would be amazing. Congratulations! Once again, the video is superb!

    • @trocomposition4216
      @trocomposition4216  3 года назад +1

      Thank you for the kind words, Albary. Great minds think alike! I'm currently writing a fugue modelled on this one and will be making a video on it in the new year 👍

    • @albarylaibida1214
      @albarylaibida1214 3 года назад +1

      @@trocomposition4216 First, I would like to thank you for the compliment. Secondly, I can't wait for your fugue. This indeed will be a great new year's gift.

  • @dawsonstearns
    @dawsonstearns 4 года назад

    EXCELLENT thank you for this exquisite analysis

  • @m.calloway2624
    @m.calloway2624 3 года назад +1

    Superb analysis. I particularly like how you deal wirh all aspects of the music, including artistry, and in an integrated fashion. Would love to have your analysis of Beethoven's Grosse Fuge quartet. Many thanks.

    • @trocomposition4216
      @trocomposition4216  3 года назад

      Thanks for the kind words! 😊 If you haven’t seen it yet, I highly recommend Richard Atkinson’s analysis of the Große Fuge: ruclips.net/video/KQcHPhYEoJY/видео.html

  • @mustuploadtoo7543
    @mustuploadtoo7543 2 года назад +1

    i love these videos. please keep making them :)

  • @evangelos6509
    @evangelos6509 4 года назад +1

    This is so nice, thank you!!!

  • @johannesbrahms3322
    @johannesbrahms3322 4 года назад

    Your channel is gold! Keep it up!

  • @ValzainLumivix
    @ValzainLumivix 3 года назад +1

    Nice

  • @raycasbierd
    @raycasbierd 3 года назад +2

    Hi Tom, could you explain the using an out of key note like C# to confirm d minor, also the unusual voice beginning is just a standard authentic and plagal use of voices? Oh yes thanks for the video

    • @trocomposition4216
      @trocomposition4216  3 года назад

      Hi Ray. Although C# is not in the key signature for D minor, it is sharpened in the D harmonic minor scale because the semitone/half-step to D leads more strongly back to the tonic note (than a C natural would). For this reason C# is known as the leading note in D minor, and harmonically the movement from leading note to tonic implies the key-defining progressions V-i or vii-i. Hope that clarifies! 😊 I'm not quite clear what the latter part of your question is referring to?

    • @raycasbierd
      @raycasbierd 3 года назад +1

      @@trocomposition4216 hi Tom thank you for clarifying, was this common back then or unique to Bach? Did he invent it or use it as a rhetorical device so to speak? I assume this is a common technique/standard practice nowadays. In your video you mentioned at the start how he changed the upper voice to start with a leap of a 4th rather than A 5th I remember reading before his time and before the use of minor, major scales things were more about modes etc and back then they used to single out voice entries using authentic and plagal technique. Hope this makes sense sorry for long message. Curiously Ray

    • @trocomposition4216
      @trocomposition4216  3 года назад +1

      @@raycasbierd Hi Ray. Yes, spot on - the authentic/plagal scale system is indeed the origin of the tonal answer 👍 However, by the high baroque period, composers like Bach and Handel were much more flexible in their approach to the rules that had been derived from this authentic/plagal scale system, because the predominance of the maj-min system meant that harmonic considerations took priority, and these are the considerations we look at in the video. Regarding the other point, yes, sharpening the leading note in minor keys was fundamental to the maj/min system and was standard practice by Bach’s time; it originated in the practice of sharpening the 7th at cadences in earlier music (musica ficta). Hope that helps 😊

  • @lukegregg5944
    @lukegregg5944 4 года назад

    Fascinating, could you perhaps do a video covering an impressionistic piece? I'd like to see how you tackle analysing and understanding something like that compositionally. But more content of anything like this would be great.

    • @trocomposition4216
      @trocomposition4216  4 года назад +1

      Thanks for the suggestion 😊 I've got a few things lined up for the immediate future but will definitely add this to the list.

    • @talastra
      @talastra 2 года назад

      No, not the impressionists. Shostakovich's 24 Preludes & Fugues, and the Shchedrin's *heeh* [no seriously] :)

  • @andreslka
    @andreslka 3 года назад +1

    Thank you. That's Sokolov recording, right?

  • @canman5060
    @canman5060 3 года назад +1

    This is like integral calculus in Mathematics !

    • @doctor78212
      @doctor78212 Год назад

      Excellent observation. Music theory is beautiful math.

  • @neilsaunders6009
    @neilsaunders6009 Год назад +1

    Prout rhymes with "shout", but he wasn't a lout (and, to judge by the photo, not terribly stout).

  • @Kurtlane
    @Kurtlane 2 года назад +2

    Please, please, please, no Derrida! No Foucault! No Adorno! No Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels or Vladimir Ilyich Lenin! I have been forced to listen to the last three since I was born 62 years ago. Can't I at least escape from them here through the divine music of Bach?

  • @AnaPaula-np5rq
    @AnaPaula-np5rq 4 года назад +1

    Would it be possible for you to include subtitles in Portuguese, Spanish or German?

    • @trocomposition4216
      @trocomposition4216  4 года назад +1

      Hi Ana Paula. You can get auto-translations by going to the settings wheel in the bottom right corner, clicking 'Subtitles', then 'English (auto-generated)', then selecting subtitles again and opting for 'auto-translation'. From there, you can select the language. It won't be perfect but hopefully should help! 😊

    • @AnaPaula-np5rq
      @AnaPaula-np5rq 4 года назад

      @@trocomposition4216 The only translation option here is englisch, has no other language. No problem. My understanding of English is primitive. I like to write comments and have to use translator. 😢

  • @donbroni
    @donbroni Год назад

    do you teach privates near or in london would love some assistance on learning this fugue

    • @trocomposition4216
      @trocomposition4216  Год назад +1

      Hi Donald. I’m afraid I don’t, but very best of luck with learning this masterpiece! 👍💪

    • @donbroni
      @donbroni Год назад +2

      @@trocomposition4216 Thanks for the encouragement your resources here will help alot

  • @rengsn4655
    @rengsn4655 3 года назад +2

    25:09 "D-tour" .... I see what you did there

  • @oboista6963
    @oboista6963 3 года назад +1

    What is the name of the book?

    • @trocomposition4216
      @trocomposition4216  3 года назад +1

      The book I referred to by Ebenezer Prout is just called ‘Fugue’. Highly recommended! 👍

    • @oboista6963
      @oboista6963 3 года назад +1

      @@trocomposition4216 thank you!!!

  • @janetsoskice8461
    @janetsoskice8461 Год назад

    Hi

  • @ZephaniahL
    @ZephaniahL 2 года назад

    Are you Tim's brother?

  • @Rocksssfull
    @Rocksssfull 3 года назад

    "BaK"