Why Tiana's Bayou Adventure is setting up to be Disney's BIGGEST Failure
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- Опубликовано: 17 янв 2024
- Splash Mountain: An iconic ride at both Walt Disney World and Disneyland closed permanetaly back in January 2023. The ride will be replaced with a Princess and the Frog theme and will be called Tiana's Bayou Adventure. As the opening date approaches people are getting anxious to see what this overhaul will be about. However, from the looks of it. This might just be Disney's Biggest Failure
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I think the biggest mistake is that it’s a continuation and not a retelling of the movie. What do you mean you aren’t going to include an animatronic of one of your most popular villains- Dr Faciliar singing Are you Ready before the drop? What do you MEAN Ray won’t be in it?
Such a waste, especially because Splash Mountain and every Fantasyland dark ride had some kind of retelling of the story
@@officialmonarchmusici agree, but i think this is the ONLY mistake. not the biggest like @karsonbollinger8412 said. but then again, all of the guardians rides are non canon and no one cares about that so eh
Look at the two iterations of Nemo. How many times can he get lost?
@@juliangines6764 huh???
@@K1K1P00H it’s a pretty BIG only-mistake.
I prefer animatronics over screens every single time, one of the many reasons I love Disney more than universal studios. Universal is mostly screens and 4D experience but Disney had the classic animatronics. Animatronics we’re something that made Disney more unique but now it’s all starting to look the same
and the new Universal giant park is going to have animatronics all over the themed zones. So yeah, the papers turned around
Me too! I'm with you 100%
Yeah, from what I hear, not too many animatronics in this ride. It just doesn’t sound good
Oh yeah, I agree with your every word. Also, the bulk of the reason why I've personally looked forward to Disney is because Disney at least used to promise adventure and escape outside of a screen. If the bulk of my day at Disney is going to be spent relying on screens for my adventure and escape, I'm going to seriously consider saying myself hours in the car (I live 1-2 hours west of LA) and/or a lot of money by either going to Universal instead or just staying home and playing on my screens for no additional cost.
@@eddv6090 Universal has really upped their game in terms of how they integrate screens with physical things over the last few years. I was just at Universal Orlando last week, and they're at the point where they can move things in and out of the screen in more or less real time with only people deliberately looking for the transition noticing it at all. The Bourne Stuntacular is a really good example of it where it can be tricky to figure out what is and isn't actually present at times.
That being said, I did notice more screens as parts of the rides at Disney. The big difference is that Universal is actually putting a bunch of money into R&D in a way that Disney isn't. 25 years ago when I last visited Orlando, Universal studios could easily be done in one day, but now it takes 3 or more days to properly visit and Disney is hardly growing at all.
wait so you are telling me that they are making a princess and the frog themed ride and not add arguably the best part of the movie being all the voodoo depictions like the amazingly kinetic magic and characters and make it about a family reunion wth.
Too politically incorrect for Disney these days.
🤦🏽♀️I hate they’re cutting corners on the ONLY BLACK PRINCESS ride. It’s pissing me all the way off.😤
You already know it's going to be bad when there own imagineers are saying "this is kind of boring"
Oh no, that was Bob Iger saying that, the CEO of Disney. And seeing as how he greenlit this project... if he doesn't think it's good, yikes.
Boring is hilarious 😂
@@flintlock178 Greenlighting a retheme of one of the most well-designed Disney rides ever and then having the audacity to call what the imagineers came up with "kind of boring" is such a funny power move
@@cj33333 It's called "agenda over entertainment."
If it's not fun, why bother?
@@flintlock178 I love how you can smell people who don’t actually understand the entertainment industry a mile away
First Tron and Guardians were ground up construction projects. Tiana is really just a retheme of Splash with the bones of the ride to remain unchanged. So o course Tiana is going to have a far faster build. I do agree on the weird story though - gathering food supplies for a party? I was hoping Disney would use the inside portion for some dark and voodoo-ish vibe with smoke and purple/green lighting, but it appears we'll be going through the produce department now.
Guardians replaced Ellen’s Energy Adventure. Wasn’t Built from the ground up.
@@Robbie-pc1dlit was extended out. Most of the original ride is now the queue, and the main ride is in a different building altogether.
Great idea about the voodoo aspect--would be totally creative. Would be as awesome as the pink elephant section of Winnie the Pooh.
It looks colorful and pretty but lame
@@Robbie-pc1dl Guardians was a new-build for all practical purposes. Nothing was kept other than the shell of the building. This botchery of Splash Mountain is going to keep the same track, systems, vehicles, etc. Just window dressing
Taking out the voodoo element was like taking the venom out of a snake.
I thought you knew. Disney doesn’t care about great story telling anymore. All they care about is being politically correct
@@ItDiedOnDaVine sad
From a look at some of the material Disney has released of the new animatronic characters, it looks a LOT like they're reusing the sub-frame for Elsa and putting an "almost but not quite" Tiana face over it. Tiana and Elsa don't have the same "bone structure" so the face proportions look way off. But its a way to get out cheap, so what did we expect?
Tiana deserves her own ride (one that was built up not just reskinned). I think a big reason they are replacing splash mountain was the maintenance. From talking to my friends who work there the ride has been leaking and animatronics constantly breaking down. Also the fur started to look strange due to humidity in the ride. I think replacing splash mountain has been a long time coming. Why? Because Disney has ignored problems with the ride and slapped a bandaid and expected everything to fix itself. In my opinion Disney has gotten cheep
why waste perfectly good bones? a log ride for tiana makes sense. everyone hated the idea of mission breakout but it’s miles better than california’s version of ToT
@@K1K1P00H perfect good bones? Splash mountain has needed many repairs that they haven’t done. Like leaks that cause rust and decay. Or damaged structures. The Log flumes need to be replaced too. Overall I would be surprised if they had the budget or time to do all of it. The damage on some things cannot be reversed.
@@webbchildw6164 yes, emphasis on bones. repair and replicating ride vehicles and repairing damage is a heck of a lot cheaper (time+labor wise) than starting from scratch. the ride system and such is a perfectly good skeleton for a revamped ride. saying disney doesn’t have enough money to fix damage is silly.
@@K1K1P00H they have the money but are they willing to spend it. And the structural damages that can’t be fixed are going to be more expensive than making a new attraction. The damage they have let accumulate will be more expensive in the long run. If you repair it cheaply in the past and it hurts the ride then repair it cheaply again and wait too long then it will be more expensive. So yes, a new ride would be cheaper looking into the future. Maybe not immediately but the repairs they will have to do and continue to do will cost them a lot of money.
@@webbchildw6164 no really bro, they’d have to pay someone to demo it, and even if they put it somewhere new; it still costs money to prepare foundations, way more labor, an entire rides worth of new materials, etc. all rides, even new ones need maintenance, but a reskin gives someone a chance to pick and choose what to save and what to let go.
Disneyland's Splash Mountain had 108 animatronis -- Disney World's Splash Mountain had 68
That’s because they took all the singing animals out of the “America sings” ride/show in the show building in tomorrow land. They already had them on hand from when that previous attraction closed, so they just redressed them all and stuck them on the giant steamboat at the end.
They had to take time and money to do it -- then, for Florida they cut back on the budget - including leaving a section of the laughin place totally unfinished - so they just left it in total darkness. And now they are having 17 animatronics? @@fourlittlebirds6166
@@fourlittlebirds6166 Doesn’t change the fact there were 103 animatronics and it will always be compared to the pitiful 17 they’ve replaced them with. They also were all throughout the ride, not just on the steamboat.
@@fourlittlebirds6166Tony’s idea from the beginning bud.
Splash took Tony Baxter years to design the ride. Splash had 69 auto animations Tianna has only 16 do the math. It will be smoke projection effects (which will not work most of the time). And also they will only run it at 60% capacity because they want people to shop and have long lines so they can upsell genie at $30-50 ...Great report thank you..
Poor Tony, he just wanted to give a second chance to Wonderful characters only to be thrown to trash by people who don't know about history.
That’s a lie. Disney has said outright that TBA will have 17 new CHARACTERS, not AAs. Many of which will have multiple AAs - and that doesn’t even take into consideration moving characters that may not count as a complete AA; Splash overinflated the number of AAs it had.
@@ColtonMyers1 it was reported by Disney insider on 4 different vlogs including wdwnt.. so we will wait to see..
@@merarimmartinezm4354History of what?
it’s the same ride just a redesign… that’s why it’s taking less time lmao
I think Princess and The Frog could work for a basis for this ride. My only problem is the ride isn’t meant to follow the narrative of that film but a totally new underwhelming narrative following said film.
I mean this ride has a drop: it needs a moment of tension in its narrative
Nobody saw or remembered The Princess and the Frog.
@@dandiehm8414You couldn’t be more wrong mah guy. That it is an underrated movie Sure! Same can be said about Mulan, Coco, Encanto,Etc. Which is why they need to keep up with new things that people haven’t seen,if not people will still complain that Disney doesn’t add anything new.
@@dandiehm8414You don't speak for everybody.
when they first announced it me and my sister thought Dr Facilier and “I got friends on the other side” would genuinely be perfect for the drop. we were both pretty hugely disappointed with the storyline announcement
@@dandiehm8414 *you* didn’t, which doesn’t surprise me because you’re an old man??? why would you be watching princess movies anyways..
Why could we not have had both Splash AND a new PatF ride? Everyone is happy and it helps add capacity.
Exactly
These people are determined to make others miserable because they have a deep hatred and vitriol boiling inside. It has always been personal with them and that’s why everyone with a sane mind needs to come together and in once loud voice banish them from having a platform. People have been too nice and passive, enough is enough.
I believe the reason Splash was axed is the movie it was based on depicted slavery, which isn't so happy for many people to associate with the Happiest Place on earth. I support Disney's decision on this. The proposed storyline sounds a bit weak and too "message-ish," which I think has been Disney's downfall at the box office lately. Just hope it's fun and enjoyable for all when it finally opens.
@@kpbarbee Song of the South was not depicting slavery, the movie takes place post civil war and the ride had nothing to do with the live action sequences, it’s just a cartoon. Saying sensationalist stuff doesn’t make it true.
@@Equilibrium-pt7xj The film does indeed portray the immediate post emancipation period of the south. True that the live action portion of the film was not contained in the attraction.
TBH saying this is going to be the biggest failure is incredible incorrect due to journey into your imagination arguably is
Splash Mountain will forever be one of Disney’s greatest rides now forever stored in the archives
The parks need new experiences to distribute crowds, not the replacement of existing rides, especially when they can barely maintain whats already there.
Trom just opened wym and splash moutain was outdated
@@itsjamesworld6982it’s not outdated at all such as it was much younger than haunted mansion which has been there longer than splash and pirates of the Caribbean
@@Unknownuser-ki8tebb the movie it was based off is racist and controversial
@@S_NNYDZ how was it racist ?
@@Unknownuser-ki8te "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" is influenced by the chorus of the pre-Civil War folk song "Zip Coon", which is today considered racist for its use of an African American stereotype.
Splash Mountain was my favorite ride hands down since the summer it opened! So bummed I'll never get to ride it again.
There's always Tokyo.
@@grayrabbit2211is the ride in English? Is it the same?
There was no reason to change Splash, but too many people cried that it wasn’t socially appropriate. This ride was based on the Song of the South book, most that people (who knew anything about Song of the South didn’t even know it had anything to do with slavery. No one walked off that ride saying “Oh ya, see Slavery was good 😤”, people learned about a silly old rabbit that caused trouble and the fox and bear where going to teach him a lesson, so instead kids walked away with a lesson about being a trickster and also those who were bullies and a cheerful little song. That most kids or even young adults would 1:54 have never known the classic Zippy Duda. So you all have a wonderful day, now and come back to the brier patch again, see ya real soon.
The funny thing is the thing I'll always remember most from riding Splash Mountain as a kid was waiting in line and then literally getting shoved to the side by these four very rude women that were literally shoving whole families to the side to try and skip the line. They made it further than I thought but we saw them all a few minutes later being escorted out by security.. without getting to ride it first, I must add. 😂💋
From the very first time I heard about the idea of a splash mountain reskin, I was against it. I am still against it today because Disney is doing EXACTLY what I feared they would do. What a slap in the face to Tony and the imaginers that built Splash. In my opinion, one of the greatest rides Disney has ever built.
It’s not a slap, from the very beginning Disneyland has built off the idea that “Disneyland will never be complete”. Meaning it will constantly change and evolve for newer generations….meaning you are no longer its target audience 😂
@@ChromeOfTheFuture dumbest answer ever. How do you explain the legacy rides that still operate? Small world, jungle cruise, tea cups, etc??? Totally fine with an ever changing park but splash was a very successful and popular ride. Redskins and remakes are usually to freshen up dead attractions that people aren't interested in anymore. That wasn't the case with splash. So try again young grasshopper. You failed that one.
It is not that deep you will live lmao@@aseainfo
@@chloefitchette if that is too deep for you I can see now why Disney has to go back and redesign old rides for your generation.
@@aseainfo Imagine getting mad because Disney is changing a ride to a different theme💀lmaooo you're pathetic
Disney isn’t even building a new ride, there just doing a reskin over an already existing ride. If they were tearing down the whole mountain and rebuilding it for Tiana, I think you’d find it taking a lot longer
lipstick on a trans
It's going to be totally different inside and improved. There are videos with that information.
Exactly. And 16 animatronics instead of 60+ makes sense since the ones on Splash were mostly taken from the old America Sings and are beyond repair at this point.
@@Skarlisit’s 16 new animatronics on top of the old ones 💀
@@SkarlisThey were not beyond repair. They were purposely left in poor condition for years because they were planning this change. Look at the animatronics in the Carousel of progress or country bears. Those are older and are in great condition.
With today's crop of "imagineers" and the growing reliance on digital screens ... I am expecting nothing less than something far less than the quality of Splash Mountain.
They are now “Screen Engineers “.
@@phillips2683 No, they're just lazy. I'm renting a ~700" diagonal videowall for my wedding. All-in, far cheaper and less time consuming than bothering to properly decorate the venue.
TBH, I'm not sure how much you can blame on them, from what I've heard, they continue to propose new things, there just isn't much getting approved.
The parallels between Splash Mountain’s transformation into Tiana’s and the original Journey into Imagination’s change into Journey into Your Imagination are insane and no one else seems to want to point it out. We’re gonna have to watch another absolute classic be gutted for a worse experience.
Finally the mountains of Louisiana get representation
This comment is awesome! 😂
You won the comment section😂
Man Lousiana has mountains man I gotta go check it out!
😂😂
There aren’t any mountains in New Orleans Louisiana
There is no way that it's better than Splash Mountain. I expect it to be hot garbage.
I'm personally going to ride it and make up my own mind. That being said, they're having to write a story that integrates with a pre-existing ride in a way that's fun and interesting. It's a lot harder to do than when you're still dealing with drawings and can move elements around as well as lengthening or shortening the scenes that you've written.
We'll see how it is, but there is no way on Earth that this is going to be better than a purpose built ride that was designed to go along with a different story. If we're extremely lucky, it might be close, but I'd expect something closer to hot garbage, especially if the CEO is complaining about it being boring.
@@SmallSpoonBrigadeThe reason I know it will be bad is WHY it was done in the first place. They did this so satisfy political activists. When political pandering is your goal, then political pandering will be the outcome. Nothing good every comes out of pandering. Not in the long run at least.
I worry about the reimagining based on what happened to the faux vegetation on 7DMT. After one year it turned sickly-looking and obviously fake. It's going to be very high maintenance and we know Disney's track record on that.
*Zip-a-dee-doo-dah zip-a-dee-a, My oh my, what an awful Day! . . . RIP Splashmountain* 😭
Tiana should do more important things like a princess charm school in England after all she is a disney princess!!!
The thing is, it is being done because the original ride was recently deemed racist. It was based on the Br'er Rabbit stories that were traditional African American folktales, way before Disney used it in the movie. Nobody had a problem with it until the BLM crowd said people should have a problem with it. At least Tokyo Disneyland did not buy into that.
The movie has been out of production and unavailable for like 50 years. Very few riders knew it was related to a movie.
The blm crowd?? lol I’ve only learned about how insanely racist song of the south was because I’m not old enough to know anything about that movie it was before my time, so it’s good that they got rid of the theme the even play a Dixie song in the queue that was originally made by a racist , Disney has always been racist in some way but splash mountain was more sly. Disney is still stupid and racist and pandering. But they should be checked for their fucked up behavior.
this movie actually started to become controversial in the 70s/80s lmao
@@jeanie9139 regardless if people don’t know about it, it definitely shouldn’t be something that Disney adults want to stand for their park? When they do find out why it’s being changed they should want nothing more than to change a ride based on a racist cartoon…and if they don’t well… :/
It is racist and has been acknowledged as such since it's debut, BUT because it released during a time when black people didn't really have a say or many rights, they went unheard, where only in the 90s did it finally become acknowledged as a true problem (which is why Disney hasn't re-released it since the 80s). Only reason Splash got away with the theme for so long was cause enough kids didn't know about the film (I didn't know it was based on a movie until I was an adult). As more people become aware of the problems with the film and theme, Disney finally acknowledged that it is a problem and finally decided to deal with it. If anything, you should be glad it lasted as long as it did, cause it should have been rethemed back in the 90s.
I think tiana deserves her own ride but why not a ground up one instead of taking over a classic
Space is the issue at Disneyland.
@@allenlj5165 Completely untrue, there’s tons of land where the motorboat cruise is or the Fantasyland theater.
@@Equilibrium-pt7xj Fantasyland theater maybe...but I do feel Disney likes having the space to put on stageshows for the public. The smoking area that was once the loading dock for the motorboat cruise wouldn't fit at all, its way to close to Tomorrowland and far out from Fantasyland proper, plus its New Orleans themeing would totally seem out of place being so far away from New Orleans square and being so close to both Tomorrowland and Matterhorn. Let's face facts, in order to often get New cool things at Disneyland, we must lose things we already enjoy. (Unless they put it in DCA)
I agree…I’m actually glad to see tiana getting her own ride …I go to Disney every year sometimes more than once and truthfully out of all the princesses I’m glad to see one my niece can relate too . before that of course , we looked at Pocahontas who was the closest , however I love every princess/ prince 👑coming from a fan of ( once upon a time ) tv show ❤️…..but in my opinion it’s no secret that the only thing that related to Africa was animated cartoon lions ( which I loved the lion king ) but every other culture had a princess, so it’s nice to have Tiana -- Also I think it ties in well with the port Orleans resort at Disney world……I don’t truly see what all the fuss is about though…because I’ve heard that it’s literally the same ride , yet people are complaining that they’re taking the ride away …. But it’s only being themed
Differently, but same fall everyone loves ❤…..😊
Because that would take real effort.
This is freaking stupid. If you want new rides then build new rides. Dont retheme classics 😡🤬
It’s the same ride just a new design since song of the south is controversial
@@noorlovesyoutube there was nothing racist about the attraction theme
@@noorlovesyoutubetell me you haven’t seen the movie without telling me you haven’t seen the movie.
The movie is about post slavery/reconstruction era of American history, a dark dark period of time in America’s history and something we as Americans should never forget about, but the movie itself is actually pretty boring, and the actor of uncle Remus is the saving grace of the movie, same with the brer characters.
That's not the point. The point is Splash Mountain was based on a deeply problematic movie and it needed to be rethemed so as to not make guests uncomfortable.
@@trevorpacelli8056 the movie is old, if people weren’t bitches who cant get over stuff then the generation of people complaining would have never knew about the movie and not had to complain. Therefore not needed a retheme
I'm glad Disney isn't in charge of art museums. They would be revising painting from the 1600's as problematic. Splash Mountain could have been considered historic in a sense. It's like burning books. Where does it end?
They literally burnt books in their Star Wars film so it wouldn’t be surprising if they had actually burnt their own archives
Nobody even cared about it being themed after this obscure, racist movie until Disney put a gigantic spotlight on it and wouldn’t shut up about it. They made their own misery, and now they’re downgrading a cultural touchstone because of it.
The main difference between art museums and the Disney parks is that art museums exist specifically to preserve historical artwork, while the Disney Parks exist specifically to entertain people and make the Disney company money. Thus, Disney is doing at least a logical thing by retheming Splash Mountain from an extremely controversial IP to an IP that consumers have a much higher opinion of outside of the ride itself. It actually does match Disney's reasoning for keeping much older classic rides like the teacups, Pirates, and Haunted Mansion because with those rides Disney has determined that people like those IPs to the extent that they are more likely to be repeat customers of those rides than if said rides were re-themed to a more current IP.
literally Walt Disney mandated that rides SHOULD be changed as time passes because he hated that he couldn't fix his movies after they were released
@@UpL8Vids Exactly!
As a former huge Disney fan, I hope this goes down as one of the biggest disasters in Disney history. I hope this ride is an epic failure and everyone absolutely hates it.
It’s still the same ride it’s always been it’s just a re theme of the ride you might like the ride if you give it a chance
@@Superfruit14not really
Such hatred for black people. Pathetic. I pity you.
Why? Honestly why?
I don't like the leadership at Disney and the direction they're taking the company, it's as simple as that. They are destroying this once great company. Their movies are failing, loosing hundreds of millions of dollars. They laid off over 7000 people! Can you believe it, 7000 people lost their jobs because of the incompetent leadership at Disney.
Anyone who thinks this ride will hold even a candle to Splash Mountain needs to get their head checked.
Agree!
Yep.
I wonder how long it will take Disney to re-theme back into Splash Mountain? 🤔. Cause this Woke Mountain is gonna fail harder than the “Star Wars” hotel.
Same equivalent as removing mansion or pirates
@@ScoopityDoopitybut they aren't are they?
First, corporate disney doesn't care about all the pixie dusters that go to the parks! As long as you fork over dumb money to get less and still pay even more for food and just to be able to not be able to ride more than 4 rides a day (that's the average if you don't pay for extras from Genie+), corporate disney will keep doing stupid stuff like this ride. Second, the song Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, is an Iconic song that most people who know and love it don't even know where it comes from other than its the song of Splash Mt. The replacement music will NEVER be anywhere near that. Especially as its ONLY criteria for the composers where that they were "people of color from the area. Just like the stupid, bad mural that looks like some elementary schools kids were given a project last week. Changing this ride is another of Iger's woke moves. HE hates Song of the South! But he loves the money. Because while he's banned the movie or ANYTHING referring to it in the U.S. it sells everywhere else around the world. To say that the movie is "problematic or racist" shows that you're either brain dead or never saw the movie. As well as it earned the 1st Oscar for a black man in movies.
Let alone that there are NO MOUNTAINS in Louisiana! Or that the salt dome area was site of REAL slavery and atrocities, rather than the imagined ones for those who feel that the old ride was about or during slavery times. So glad the OLC stood fast against corporate disney pressure to destroy theirs as well and decided to keep it as is. Maybe they could "plus" it as Walt would've done. Update the animatronics, do so effects like they did in the Alice ride at DL. That was all that Splash Mt really needed. Not this junk.
I assume u watch overlord DVD and wdw pro too?
@@arcondpvp Yes
Universal will destroy Disney. Splash Mountain simply was the final nail in the coffin.
Splash mountain was a Disney classic. It’s like taking away it’s a small world. My daughter was lucky to go in the ride and saw it nothing but a living cartoon telling a story about animals trying to eat a rabbit. Those who ride the ride most likely never knew it was even from a movie. This compared to what it was will never be better. Hopping Disney makes at least a Disney ride and not a quick all screen boring story.
how are animals supposed to be racist?
Why does everyone just think this is okay? Like i guarantee most of the people making this argument are white like? The movie was very inherently racist and if people can’t accept that than it might be time to check your privilege and where you stand with racism tbh
I remember when I was younger and we got a Disney CD with Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, I yelled out “SPLASH MOUNTAIN HAS A MOVIE?!”
Small world will be replaced they will decide that the children are stereotypical and racist.
BRING SPLASH BACK
I wish but that ride will always be splash mountain to me give Tiana’s bayou adventure a chance you might like it
Sadly the Walt Disney Company is totaly creatively bankrupt and not worthy off our hard earned money.
In my Humble opinion.
They have been taken over by one sided social/political extremists and they are overtly more interested in pushing political correctnes and devisive identity politics, destroing the past for a bleak postmodern future, then actually respecting and simply entertaining their customers. As a european ( former) disney fan I used to love traveling to disneyworld. But I have rightfully lost all interest.
I would rather go to tokio disney where they still respect their classics and their customers.
I actually really liked the princes and the frog movie.
If imagineers would just have sticked with taking us on a journey trough the story of the film that atleast could make for a fun and exiting ride. But no. No chance.
Let Igers Disney fail as it blatantly deserves.
Just my 2 cents from a disenchanted former loyal customer.
Peace.
@@fglerumart1 💯
@@Superfruit14 never
@@Superfruit14 if they included Facilier maybe
It’s either an act of pure stupidity of bravery that they’d be willing to shut down their most popular ride
Considering the never-ending stream of woke garbage movies Disney's released which have been complete failures, it's the former.
Disney isn’t Disney anymore. It’s full of activists who aren’t very smart, and the number of actually creative and intelligent people left are restricted by the stupidity.
Disney doing the same thing to their rides as they did to the entertainment IPs. Complete garbage built on the bones of the better predicessor.
Brentgarlick, same too for many of their resort makeovers. They are swapping out brilliantly themed hotel rooms and lobbies for generic, low-cost "refurbishments" that look low-cost and ill-conceived.
Last month, I bumped into Tony Baxter while exiting Indiana Jones Adventure at Disneyland. We talked and I spent the rest of the day with him, hanging out and riding rides together. As we were walking towards Splash Mountain's area, I asked him if he had any information about Tiana's and he reaponded with the fact that he had actually quit the project entirely along with a bunch of other people a while ago after Disney decided to hit the restart button on their vision of the attraction and make a new story altogether. The original was going to be a retelling of the first film, with Dr. Facilier and all, but once that got shut down, there was no point in him staying as he knew he'd just be used for publicity and he no longer felt comfortable with staying. The whole time, he seemed really annoyed by everything and rightfully so. It was his like his own child in some ways.
Now, as we were looking at the Splash Mountain construction, he pointed towards Haunted Mansion and asked me what that was. I answered with "Well, that's Haunted Mansion." And he responded with "That's actually a slave plantation mansion. Why is this (Splash Mountain) gone and this (HM) is still right next door?" And thats when it all hit me. The hypocrisy of Disney to get rid of one 'racist' attraction but leave the one next door in plain sight just because it's a bit more popular. Do I want Haunted Mansion redone? No. But neither do I want Splash Mountain redone as well. It's all just stupid and I truly have no faith in Tiana's and wish Splash was just left as it was. But of course, Disney's gotta make the park nice for the Disney moms and influencers...
Tiana should do more important things like a princess charm school in England after all she is a disney princess!!!
Wow, Disney didn't even have the decency to explain to Tony Baxter exactly why Disney wanted a completely different plot for the ride?
lol embarrassing!!
Getting to spend the day with Tony, you hit the jackpot!
“That’s actually a slave plantation mansion” is such a mic drop moment. I always just assumed the Haunted Mansion was based on New Orleans architecture, but I’ve never made the connection that that architecture is heavily associated with slave plantations. I just can’t get over how badly Disney is fumbling time and time again. We’re definitely in another Dark Age.
The ride is based on Avery Island which is where Tabasco gets its salt. I 100% bet you that the entire thought process behind the ride is to advertise food and hot sauce that Disney will sell you at the Tiana themed gift shop. Never put it past Disney to plan everything around you buying stuff.
Agreed. They’ve proven time and again their ultimate goal is to commercialize literally EVERYTHING.
You mean they are a business? Weird.
The tentative Tobasco connection is interesting, considering the company’s *ru*p connection.
And, guess who worked in those salt mines.
@@jeanie9139 child slaves
The only thing I don't agree with you on is that the story is confusing. The new story doesn't sound confusing at all, it's just plain bad.
This will also fail because the only people that wanted this were executives at Disney because almost every single Disney fan online doesn’t want this.
As a(n American) Black woman, i have to say this:
All of the other princesses get to be princesses ; meanwhile Tiana's entire identity is "I work hard, and I cook well." That's it. And her cooking is what the ride will be based on?
she doesn't even have a backstory anymore?! Pass
Thank goodness Tokyo Disney Land refused to kneel down, so we still get to keep the original.
The newer woke Disney regime destroying Walt's original vision. No longer the "Happiest Place On Earth". Taking away Splash Mountain was the final straw for me. No more Disney parks for myself or my family.
It’s not woke if the movie is goddamn racist dummy
Splash Mountain was my families favorite ride. Re theming it was just one of MANY reasons that we now spend our time and money at Universal.
Walt is spinning in his grave knowing these people are destroying his dream.
😂 so dramatic
walt was racist af he was prob spinning when the princess and the frog movie even came out. 😭
@@Rydertravels You should look up Valerie Stewart and see what she, her father, and other people they knew had to say on the matter of Walt Disney and racism.
Mf Walt wasn’t even alive when Splash opened lmfao
The biggest mistake is removing a ride and changing it based on a political idea when the ride was known by generations of families. Their shooting themselves in the foot in two different ways.
I'm not opposed to the reasoning _why_ they're updating it...I'm just skeptical given Disney's track record of budget-friendly rethemes of classic and/or unique attractions that are obvious downgrades of their predecessors (see: Imagination, Alien Encounter).
The irony is that of all the people who claimed the ride (and the movie it was based on) were "racist" have never even seen the original movie. (I have, and it is nothing like what the critics claim. It's not even set during slavery as they all claim, but during Reconstruction. So they can't even get the basic facts right.)
The movie was racist and Disney does have a reputation of racism if u actually take the time to look into that
The guy who started it was racist but anyways I do like splash mountain it’s a pretty good ride
@@zimmylooms1802 (a) Clarify whom you mean by "The guy who started it" and (b) cite your evidence that he was a racist. If you're referring to Walt Disney, you're wrong. Cartoonist Floyd Norman, to name just one example, has gone on record several times over the years disclaiming that accusation and has stated emphatically that Disney was no racist. He worked with Walt Disney. He knew Walt Disney. You have not.
@@zimmylooms1802You never even saw the movie, so you don't even know what you're talking about. And I've also "take(n) the time to look into" Disney's life. Fact is I've read several biographies of Walt Disney, know a hell of a lot more about his life story than you do, and I have yet to come across a single verified piece of evidence of the "racism" you accuse him of. That so-called "accusations of racism" (like the charge of alleged antisemitism, of which he's also often accused) of which you speak only stared during the 1941 strike, were started by Communist strike-organizers and were only made because the wanted to hurl the worst insults possible at the man in an attempt to smear his reputation. So if anyone needs to "take the time to look into that" and actually learn the facts rather than the simply parrot the same tired old unfounded accusations, it's _you._
You know what I think Tianna’s bayou adventure is gonna be great I know people are mad that splash mountain is gone but give it a chance it’s gonna have on of the best animatronic figures I think it’s gonna be a blast I don’t mind if anyone agrees with me
Not only are they getting rid of Splash mountain, they’re half assing the “remake”. WTH
Re-theming the most popular ride in the world Splash Mountain……..what could go wrong?! This ride is gonna be huge failure. Anyone that came up with this idea to re-theme Splash mountain not only needs to be fired but banned from the parks. Bring back Splash Mountain.
Why? You thought the “story” was the reason people liked the ride? Not getting wet or the thrill of the drops?
@@chags3512 Themes are very important. Look what happened to Alien Encounter into Stitch. It closed down.
Princess Tiana should do more important things like a princess charm school in England after all she is a disney princess!!! She will forget about this uncouth bayou adventure cause it already taken from the movie
@@chags3512water is your friend too just like a water park
I was hoping for a Tiana's Place restaurant at WDW. I thought that would've been the first idea. I've heard you'll be able to smell the scent of beignets but will there even be real beignets to buy near this ride? Where's the food??
My thoughts exactly! Food is incredibly central to Tiana's character, the plot of the original movie, AND the plot for this ride!
Disney is caught up in bad politics and it's killing their business!
They just want more bearded princess cast members.
Have you been there lately, its freakin packed! I would ‘t worry about them sweety😊
They think they’re on the winning 🏆 team
Disney please don’t turn this into a tv screen / projector ride! The animatronics and theming is what makes this special !
Screens do a great job.... At taking me out of the story leaving me as a stagnant bystander observer. I can create most of Disney's new concepts at home with dvds
trust me. they always end up making ppl like it. Everyone wanted tower of terror to stay, but now they don’t mind the Guardians. ofc it’s nice to keep the past, but cmon. u ain’t gonna like riding the same ride for 80 years
@@1saamor897 Incorrect, to this day the vast majority of guests miss Tower of Terror.
Disney is intentionally slowing construction to save and spread costs. The ride is already a failure because they associated it with a restaurant and a salt mine. Who told them this is a good idea? It would have been better to just follow the characters in the movie. Instead, they did the Galaxy Edge thing and created something no one has seen. It isn’t like many saw Princess and the Frog. They effectively neutered the ride.
they purposefully created something new for galaxy’s edge so that even people who know nothing about star wars can still appreciate it. i think it’s good you don’t have to see the movie in order to enjoy it. op even said that was a weakness in the storytelling of tron
Key word here is timelessness. Disney is constantly cashing in now on just whatever IP is hot or sometimes just a random one (Tron is an obvious aesthetic choice for an Epcot roller coaster). They have all the technology in the world so now they just need to put actual THOUGHT into rides in order to give them longevity. The problem here is that they're just trying to plug and play a new water ride by replacing all the guts with different characters who live in a bayou.
Keith Richards confirmed that he didn't do any new voices for this attraction. It's so over.
Knott's Berry Farm has a ghost town called Calico. Disneyland has a ghost town too; it's called 'Galaxy's Edge'.
galaxy’s edge is sooooo boring way too
big for what’s in there
Excellent description of the old and the, as yet unseen and inexperienced, new. Loved the comparisons and references to other rides. 👍✌️
You want to show us you mean business, Disney?
Re-release the Song of the South movie!
It's not as bad as everyone makes it out to be.
The fact that you have to mention it is not as bad, as a precursor to justifying it, paints a clear picture that in fact there is something inherently wrong with it.
@@hiltsaberThere is not anything wrong with it. It is a charming movie.
Dandieheim is right. Song of the South is a charming movie. Its based upon the literary classics written by Joel Chandler Harris. Mr. Harris' work was praised by Mark Twain and Rudyard Kipling, with Kipling saying he borrowed Harris' literary technique of using animals to explain morals so they could be more easily understood by children. Ever heard of the Jungle Book? Uncle Remus was witty and courageous. He was a wise, captivating story teller. Darth Iger had problem with Uncle Remus speaking in a time period appropriate dialect. What a shame. Uncle Remus was the wisest man in the room.
@@randychestnut6591 The character Uncle Remus brings a false narrative that slavery was a happy and fun time when it was entirely the opposite as well as perpetuating negative stereotypes about black people like the mammy stereotype or the pitiful free slave. That’s why it’s controversial, it’s made to make white people feel comfortable about the shitty things they did.
White people telling other people that something ain’t racist is like missing the whole point twice dawg 🤣
We wanted refurbished Splash Mountains. So Disney's response is to destroy them.
#DoneWithDisney
Disney is too busy with their failing streaming and fox acquisition to worry about bringing great additions (not revisions of old rides) to the parks. Sadly. Universal will be king the next decade for new experiences IMO
supprising thing to me is that Epic Universe seems to still be opening on time despite all this. They are likely testing and adjusting rides right now. Disney just no longer knows what their consumers want, Universal does (mostly)
@@rukirgaming as long as they keep the pace they have been going for the last year and a half or so, I think they will definitely open on time. They are for sure testing the yoshi (and probably the Mario) ride, as well as the skyfly flat ride in How to train your dragon. I’m sure some others we don’t know about too.
What’s even more exciting is when you think about the 2 extra expansion plots between each land. As well as the future ride / attraction expansion space in dark universe and Harry Potter. This park still has plenty of room to grow and it’s going to be amazing upon opening even with just 4 universes compared to the potential 6
Also! The room that will be freed from existing backstage and management buildings at IoA and Studios that will be moved to epic. All 3 parks change and grow over the next decade. Who knows what the parks will look like by the late 2020s
@@themeparkenthusiast771 Exactly. That's how you drum up attention, not by making an unknown retheme to a classic attraction. tbh that Nintendo deal also is helping a lot
Big mistake when they took out Splash. The Princess and the Frog don't fit the splash ride😂.
See, so here you hit the central problem with modern-day Disney: they DON'T "tell stories" anymore. Period. They...don't...tell...stories. It's not about "storytelling" it's about "the message." Tiana growing her own business...being a bold and brave and boss woman...THAT IS 'THE STORY.' You may think it's "boring" but that's only because you're a guy...a dumb guy. So, Splash Mountain...uh I mean, "Tiana's Bayou Adventure" is EXACTLY what they set out to accomplish here.
Disney bein’ Disney 🤦♂️
No matter what Disney calls it/themes the ride, it will Forever be Splash Mountain to me…
Long Live the Briar Patch!
I was angry about Splash Mountain being replaced but I had a vision in my mind how intimidating the last drop’s hill could be with ghostly animatronic voodoo dolls chanting as you make the climb asking if you are ready and Dr. Facilier asking you to meet his friends on the other side…but no….At least Tokyo Disney gave the middle finger to these idiots.
This will be such a pathetic replacement for one of the greatest disneyland rides ever created...it wont even compare
The splash mountain was based on the song of the south - which got the first academy award for a person of color
No that was Hattie McDaniel from "Gone With The Wind"
@@KyleCGarcia of the South?
James Baskett
James Baskett (1904-1948)
But he is best known for his 1946 role as Uncle Remus in Walt Disney's live action/animation movie Song of the South, and especially for its beloved song, Zip-a-dee-do-dah, for which he was presented an Honorary Academy Award in 1948, the first Black Male actor to receive an Oscar.
The SONG wasn't controversial, the movie was.
The movie wasn't controversial to 99.9999% of the people who saw it
@@michaelmason6683 I agree with that
@@michaelmason6683it was controversial to people who only heard about the movie and assumed it was racist
@@michaelmason6683And that 1% of sure didn't have elementary school history classes, because the protagonist is a farmer on a plantation, and that's clear, but at the time of RECONSTRUCTION, when slavery was abolished which makes it clear that they're independent workers, plus all he does is tell funny br'er rabbit stories to the kids, There's nothing racist about it if you know about history.
@@merarimmartinezm4354that’s what I said to other folks but they do not listen 😭
If anything, THE PRINCESS AND THE FROG would have been nice as a little Fantasyland ride along the lines of Alice in Wonderland or Snow White, but to replace Splash Mountain? C'mon, man! That's like changing the name Disneyland to Smithland. 🤦🏼♂️
as a child, i was never able to follow the story of splash mountain, i just enjoyed the log flume. Honestly, the more people that complain, the less the line will be for those that appreciate Tiana
I still think they should’ve went with emperors new groove
That would have been perfect! :)
why is Disney wasting money, time and resources into do this?!!!
and not investing into new rides or hell...even new parks
Ngl i was looking foward to this ride and now im skeptical because about the fact that they are getting rid of the animitronics and bob iger said it was boring
There will be a lot of children that will be disappointed that they do not measure up to the height requirement. The fan base for Tiana is a bit younger than Splash Mountain. Tiana's Bayou Adventure is a better fit for Disneyland because that park already has a New Orleans Square. Disneyworld has to create one. A wild west or wilderness mountain type adventure theme would have been better or Disneyworld.
Tiana should do more important things like a princess charm school in England after all she is a disney princess!!!
Visually it certainly won’t be the same and that is disappointing no doubt. However, the track layout is still the same and the drops are what make up half the fun so I don’t believe it’s a complete loss.
Hopefully they don't pull a Journey into Imagination and cut the ride length in half
Visually speaking it will be much more stunning. The bayou is going to be so gorgeous!
@@ChromeOfTheFuture If you consider LED gimmicks and projectors stunning…
And THIS is one of the reasons why I have no plans on going to the parks again.
Great, less wait time ☺ Love seeing comments like this
@@Tha90sKidya really think this is a good thing? Hope ya enjoy this sad, boring ride. Even Iger said it was boring!
@@kathyvanaernam4437 I will 😂
@@Tha90sKidYou won’t be so smug when you find out the park has no resources for any improvements and subsequently goes out of business. He isn’t the only one, millions have turned their backs on Disney including their primary target demographic of families. Universal is going to destroy them in 2025 with Epic Universe. Good luck dealing with Pokémon, Mario Brothers, Zelda, Harry Potter, and Dark Universe. I’m sure Tiana and that cute Moana fountain is going to have a massive impact. 😂
@@Equilibrium-pt7xj yep, I am looking forward to going to Universal and going to see the Dark Universe. There is nothing at Disney that I am excited to see. Put a fork in it, Disney is done.
I think Song of the South is better for the log flume ride than Prince and the Frog… Disney is just pure evil
Agreed
You know Valarie Stewart, the daughter of the man who voiced Brer Bear in song of the south was very much against this change and says her father would have been too
I think the Star Wars hotel is probably a much bigger failure.
Long Live the Briar Patch!
Man.. I was really wanting the little VooDoo dolls to show up :< Especially Dr. Facilier :c Can y’all imagine climbing up the lift while hearing “Friends on the Other Side” Would’ve been so sick to hear “are you ready?” !
I have to say, the princess and the frog is one of my favorite movies of all time, but that still doesn’t save the fact that they close down the original splash Mountain. I really hope this new ride isn’t as terrible as people are expecting
I've lost my optimism at this point. I really want to be wrong about this ride. I want it to be good
It will be
How we haven’t even seen anything yet why call something a failure and judge before the finished product which you will see no matter how much you may hate it or Disney people will still love Disney and enjoy themselves Disney is all around the world you can want but to fail as much you want but they’ll be around for a longtime
Sometimes, that old saying applies. If it ain't broke...
I suggest that Disney should bring Splash Mountain back and move Tiana's Bayou Adventure somewhere else. I really was hoping to see Tiana's Bayou Adventure when I go to Disneyland, but I also miss Splash Mountain. Even though I've never seen the movie "Song of the South", I don't believe that it's racist. Please bring back Splash Mountain, Disney!
Disney took all the animatronics from America Sings and put them in Splash Mountain and it worked.
Why does Disney love to ruin to everything?
Something’s wrong when I consider going to Disney Parks overseas because they look far more interesting than Disney World. Somebody show Bob the exit door please!!!
We will all remember when Epic Universe opens to a MASSIVE THUNDEROUS CROWD, and Woke Disneys opus to wokedom-Tiana's Bayou disaster-opens to disappointed fans who say-"THIS is what they thought we would like better than NOT WOKE Splash Mountain?!?"
I assume that much of the interior was built separately in California (maybe even ahead of on-site construction). And regarding the building itself, there's much less construction this time because a whole new structure and system isn't being put in from scratch. But having said all that, I, too, am concerned about the over-use of projections in the interior. That's been the trend for several years. IMO, projected effects can be incredible if used here and there. Unfortunately, the tendency is to use them all the time, so the novelty quickly wears off, and the projected figures don't match the Animatronics.
The story sounds deadly dull--maybe they'll kill you with it, and the climactic drop will bring you back to life. Seriously, hopefully the attraction will have a compelling series of experiences a la the original Fantasyland rides, even if the overall plot is practically non-existent.
Regarding the "only 17 animatronics" thing, I want to note that it was a major misinterpretation by Brayden from Mickey Views. This number was taken from a prior PR statement by Disney a while back, but with incorrect context and meaning. It refers not to the total amount of animatronics in the ride but the amount of major new characters they created for the ride's story. The ride is in fact going to have quite a lot more animatronics than that. For starters, there are 10 additional returning movie characters that have been confirmed to be in the ride and will be represented as animatronics as well. These aren't part of the new 17. There will also be a lot of secondary normal animal figures aside from the main critter band scattered throughout as well. And much like Splash Mountain, quite a few of the major characters will be duplicated 2-3 times across different scenes. Tiana in particular should have at least three animatronics. Louis and Naveen will also have multiple. Incidentally, a number of these new animatronics were already built some time before they even closed Splash Mountain.
I don't know exactly how many animatronics the ride will have. But it's safe to say it will be several times more than 17. I'm not sure how closely it will end up comparing to Splash's amount (which numbered in the 50s-70s at WDW and DL respectively), but I expect it will at least be much closer to Splash's quantity than pretty much anything they've built for several decades now. Disney said "dozens" in a PR statement. A user on wdwmagic posted some details about the ride a while back that ended up being very accurate. One of their other claims was "over 48" new animatronics. There's also a handful of old America Sings figures rumored to be repurposed at Disneyland, though I don't know if this applies to WDW as well.
Disney released the first photo of the interior back in December. While the work lights were on and none of the animatronics had been installed yet (they only began doing that just this past week from what I hear), it at least gave a brief look at the set design. It seems to still be a very physically detailed ride. Quite a bit of the rockwork and tree bases from Splash is being kept and redressed with bayou foliage. Willow vines, magnolia leaves and spanish moss replacing the old ceiling greenery. There are definitely going to be projections on the background walls, but I don't think it will be quite as overwhelming and show stealing as the ones in Mickey, Ratatouille etc. If they layer physical scenery and ample amounts of animatronics in front of these video elements, using video in a more supplementary way just to animate what would have been a flat static painted wall anyway, then it can work well. That's what a lot of classic EPCOT attractions did, like World of Motion or Horizons. We'll see though.
If I had to make a prediction, this ride will not be quite as good as Splash Mountain. I don't believe modern imagineers have the ability to create a ride of that level of quality anymore even if they wanted to. Especially the story which already sounds like a mess. But at the same time, I don't think it will be bad either. If Splash was a perfect 10, I expect Tiana will probably land somewhere around an 8. Give or take a point pending the final execution. Probably a good ride on its own merits, and far less of a downgrade in my eyes than what happened to Great Movie Ride (among others). But probably not Disney's absolute best of the best either. Which is still a problem because you still can't replace a perfect 10/10 experience with an 8/10 one and claim it's an acceptable trade. A problem it would have mostly avoided had they left Splash along and built Tiana from scratch somewhere else. A ride like this might have been universally received as a huge success had they done that.
A year or two ago there were all these Disney supporters all over the Internet and here on RUclips crowing, "It's time! It's time for an update! It's time to pass on the torch! We can hardly wait for Tiana's new attraction!!!"
Where are they all now...?
I’m from New Orleans……Tiana is the animated version of a restaurateur and local civil rights Icon Leah Chase. Her husband “Dooky” Chase opened his family’s establishment to the Freedom Riders and the entire movement. Hundreds of planning meetings were held in their Treme located restaurant. Disney is appealing to families and children with this ride. It will be a hit. I was at Magic Kingdom 3 weeks ago and I got a chance to see some of the work being done. The Restaurant will feature authentic New Orleans French and Creole foods. It will be a hit. Maybe not for whiny 16 year olds but it will definitely go over with mothers and very young children.
I was there when splashed opened in 92. It had a great story line and even if you never seen Song of the South, you could still follow it. I get if Disney wanted to update it to a more modern IP, but that's not the real reason why. The story line for Tiana's makes no sense since New Orleans is known for being below sea level there are no salt mines or domes or mountains. If there were she couldn't grow anything because it's all salt and no soil. they would have been better of converting the Land over in EPCOT to this ride. It would have made more sense.
Theres literally a salt dome called Avery Island in Louisiana, this is where the Tobasco company is located. So in that respect it works, the mountain aspect I get, but hey there's no mountains in Space so why have Space Mountain? It's a fantasy park where anything can happen.
I know an imagineer in the Pasadena area. He even admits this was a mistake
Tell me more
Is it Tony Baxter?
I promised to keep him anonymous.
@@eddiesmith79 Ok 👌🏻
No one asked for this ride. Disney listened to a loud minority on Twitter rather than listening to the true fans. Splash Mountain will always be superior.
going to disneyland for the first time next week (i live in canada) and i'm so bummed i'll never get to experience splash mountain - not even this reskinned version because it's closed and idk when i'll be back :')
I agree they need splash mountain back
And Disneyland as well
Here's the IRONY; Tiana's woke adventure is based in a SALT MINE, and they used SLAVE LABOR