Obviously this subject causes much debate, and there is no mention of "The Children of the Mist", about the greenstone trail, or the Polynesian Triangle that has as its furthest points Hawaii, as well as New Zealand. As a blended culture, we now recognise that we all all New Zealanders, however, and it will always be the case, who came to NZ first? There are many hidden cultures making NZ a lot older than one would expect. One thing is for sure though, the Maori peoples did come, settle and continue to do so in this beautiful country. After all in the endgame we are but travelers in time and space. What we do on this earth is the important thing. :)
I agree. There is way too much arguing, bickering and fighting between Maori and pakeha. This bicultural stand off is unhealthy for NZ and as you said "we all all New Zealanders". Maori are not indigenous. They are travellers just like the first Europeans were but they want it to be more and this continuous feuding is why I no longer live in my own country of birth. I no longer have to suffer the 'in-your-face racism' on a daily basis where the pot is continuously stirred by the left leaning mainstream media. Maybe it has improved of late. I don't know.
Well, back when I was a small lad, I was told that one of my maungas "Maungapohatu" was a comet, and crash landed on earth millions or billions of years ago. Just to be with the god of the mist (Hine Pu Kohurangi). And apparently that's where "The Children Of The Mist" Such so myself, came from. It was a great story to me as a kid. But GODDAMN , I wanna know where my kuia and koroua got there information from, Because how the hell does that work.
4,000 to 5,000 years ago red haired Irish people setup standing stone observatories and temples of worship. Why has the government placed an embargo on this knowledge until 2063?
The embargo on the archaeological dig at Waipoua forest which I think is what you are referring to was put on by Micheal Taylor concealing the carbon dating of inhabitants centuries before Maori. My friend the late Noel Hilliam was there at the dig and told me. What reason has the Government got to hide this knowledge? Anyone's guess. After votes, maybe UN directive??
I found one of those stones once on a coastal property over 40 years ago. I was a shepherd at the time and mustering stock so didn't pay it much attension other than noting it looked out of place on raised ground and had a number of symbols or engravings that made no sense to me. I promptly disregarded it as I had work to do and didn't note if other stones existed around it or if it lined up on points on the horizon. But my interest has been raised in recent years with the drive to rewrite NZ history. Maybe I should keep its location secret so it can be rediscovered at a future time in a different political climate.
No use going to a University with your information. I would have a chat with your local MP. Feel free to email the photo and I can show it to expert who was the presenter. cheers.
@@jodiberntsen racist nonsense. There were no people in nz before Maori, and even if there were it wouldn’t change the fact that Maori are tangata whenua.
In Samoa they were known as the Tetea (Albinos) but were expelled due to civil strife, in Tonga one of the noble clans is called Ha'amea (Ha'a meaning Clan/House and Mea meaning Pale or Light-coloured) with mythical origins, in Kiribati they are known as I-Matang (Meaning from-Matang likewise I-Kiribati meaning from-Kiribati) a name used to describe Europeans today because of their similarity to the I-Matang who arrived in ancient times. In Tokelau, Spanish Explorers described their meeting with a canoe party of natives when they discovered Olohega, describing in detail some of them being white in skin, some with freckles and reddish in hair and so named it "Isla De La Gente Hermosa" meaning Island of Beautiful People. There are a few Pacific Islander families who are descended from them when they mixed with local populations. Names like kura/ura/vula/kehu meaning "red" because of their reddish hair and also mea/tea meaning "pale" because of their complexion.
A curator at the museum in Vanuatu told me these white people were called the Lapita. I asked him what happened to them? He said well, er, um....we ate them! Nice guy! Appreciate your input
Mystery Babylon before God scattered them to the 4 corners of the earth, same religion now being brought to the surface again as it is written in the truth of Gods word the Bible, particularly Revelations. Genius chapter 6 gives the original story.,
This is interesting as hell, but factually it's a mixed bag. I've looked into it a lot because I love reading about this kind of thing. Sadly, I'm always disappointed when I dig a bit further. The thing about the Moriori arriving a couple of hundred years earlier has no basis in fact, it's a common misconception that was disproved in the 1970s - they were Māori who settled the Chatham Islands from mainland NZ, probably around 1500, and they underwent a cultural shift due to resource scarcity. Their language is a dialect of Māori most similar to the Ngāi Tahu dialect. They are genetically and culturally Māori and their early artefacts match those found on the mainland. There are definitely some interesting and tantalising clues that people may have at some point visited NZ prior to Māori settlement, but there is no solid evidence that anyone other than the ancestors of Māori settled here for long enough or large enough numbers to leave any evidence. Contrast this to the viking settlement sites in remote parts of Canada - despite them not having managed to successfully colonise North America there is still plenty of evidence for the handful of attempts that they made. Polynesian people are well known for erecting stone monuments similar to those of the neolithic period in Europe. There are some particularly impressive monuments in Tonga, for example, as well as the obvious Easter Island Maoi, and astronomically aligned monuments throughout western polynesia and micronesia. The artifacts, stone monuments and carvings shown aren't stylistically different to other Polynesian examples found elsewhere, which is why archaeologists don't view them as being evidence for a non-polynesian culture on their own. The whole idea that the archaeological community is taking part in a conspiracy to suppress knowledge for which evidence exists I find fairly unbelievable - archaeologists, and indeed any person who's gotten into a financially unrewarding profession, are doing the work mostly for the love of it, there is no incentive for them to hide things and indeed if there was any evidence contrary to the current understanding then surely they'd be all over it.
Hi Nik, You are right; it is a mixed bag and subject worth getting excited about and openly researched as in other countries. FYI do some research on the pre polynesian megalithic builders called the Lapita people and connect the dots with the megalithic structures in Tonga and a pyramid base on Savaii in Samoa plus who do you think taught the Polynesians mathematics and astronomical navigational plotting ?
_"The whole idea that the archaeological community is taking part in a conspiracy to suppress knowledge for which evidence exists I find fairly unbelievable -"_ While I find your comment very interesting, I feel obliged to correct this assumption. The most obvious example would be Egypt, ofcourse. Where to this day any research requests are met with quite a bit of hostility. It is blatantly obvious that conventional Egyptology is completely false. Then there is Peru & Bolivia, which in a nutshell is the same story. Vast amounts of evidence that contradict the official narrative. And closer to NZ I can think of the Gunung Padang pyramid in Indonesia. They won't even let them use ground radar. It's completely off limits, despite vast amounts of evidence literally lying around everywhere there. I trust these 3 examples will suffice to get rid of the notion that "it is hard to believe that the archaeological community is taking part in a conspiracy to suppress knowledge for which evidence exists"
Would it not be more factual to say that the Maori were the first inhabitants of the Celtic lands and that the rock carvings was of their doing . Fact, what white man ever left a land they possessed ?,Fact, Maori migrated all over the world from ancient times ,Fact, whilst Maori travelled this planet and finally settled in Aotearoa ,the white man still believed they would fall off the edge of the world.Shall I continue? even though there are many,many truths I can give to dispell the growing lies that seem to be gathering pace by the lying white man ,the Maori ,or more exact the Polynesian were and are the greatest seafaring people ever in the history of this world from the beginning . White history says De Garma or Magellan were the first to comment the earth less than 800yrs ago .Truth is they did not even complete one third of their so called "epic journey" .One final truth, who was the guide Megellan had on his ship, it was his servant A POLYNESIAN .The white man lives in his lies to diminish the truth of the greatness of the dark skinned people .
IMO Maori are nothing more then a collective of shipwrecked, castaways who were all marooned in NZ and married/inter breed....they were not one peoples and never have been...their numbers thrived due no disease and an abundance of everything needed to sustain life....this myth about Maori being such great seafaring people is the biggest crock of them all....they were reduced to paddling canoes/waka by the time Cook arrived.... this group of people known as Maori didnt even possess the ability to use the wheel.
@@mrspecialk1234 says Maori are nothing more then a collective of shipwrecked, castaways who were all marooned in NZ and married/inter bree REPLY: All evidence shows Polynesians dscovered this Island and more including the America's while you were marrying Goats and interbreeding with them. We embraced the ocean while you feared it LOL
all evidence?....what evidence?.....its not like Polynesians had a writen language and recorded everything is it?.....NO, they relied on myth and legend rather then hand writen historical recording......
@@mrspecialk1234 says Polynesians had a writen language and recorded everything is it?.....NO, they relied on myth and legend rather then hand writen historical recording...... REPLY: WRONG - Our history is recorded in many ways - Art - Chants - Song & Dance, tribal oral tradition and those changed with whakapapa most Maori have the ability to trace ancestry back to a canoe :)
The information is as restricted as any of the books sitting in the restricted section of all nz libraries. .....in other words you can’t remove or access the ‘information’ without prior approval,,...but,...you’re more than welcome to study the info in the ‘restricted’ area till your hearts contenr.
Yes there knowledge is so fierce that according to monica Matamua only 2 Ngati hotu even speak the language. There language which is nearly extinct and unrelated to any other in the world. They were almost (according to monica Matamua) wiped out by the Ngati Tuwheratoa in 1450 after the battle of the 5 forts. Yeah sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fierce.
stop talking smack idiot.you must follow noal hilliams research.do you realize tuhoi are hotu.parou and many other hapu.waitaha still here clown.im one.stop misleading the truth cause you fail to search for truth.
I have found exactly the same type of alignments and arranged stones on the port hills above Christchurch but no-one has noticed them. One of the alignments of several stones point to the solstice sun setting over the Alps.
@@turehunz342 I did this long ago and found the primary sighting rock or what you call 'hub' stone, it was way back in the 90s. I also took a lot of photos but the whole roll got exposed to light somehow. There are several observation spots with stones arranged like this to sight points where the sun goes down behind the Southern Alps along the crater rim in mid-winter and mid-summer, probably made by the albino Patupairaehe who are said to have lived up there forever in the Rapaki iwi legends recounted by Tikao.
@@FrancisMaxino albino patupairaehe you say wow I love how European use and twist our very own mythology to suit their pre maori narratives but when ever maori speak about mythology in any way pakeha laugh and dismiss It eg taniwha etc why are they so hung up on dismantling maori accomplishments it often boils down to Christians and white supremacy often it is both they are synonymous for me Christians defaced our tiki and manaaki through out history and still today beacuse it is a deity to them its obvious to me lot of Christians hate maori because they worship other gods and not jesus lots of Christians are good also tho but it is a two sided sword imoh
Polynesian people hair turns blonde or reddish from being in the sun, hawaii, it's ehu hair, tonga ulu hika etc... in tonga, there is the haamonga built by the tui tonga, to recognize the seasons, sunrise & set etc... they think we are dumb lol not capable of doing or understanding this lol our sea voyages were lead by masters of the seas, which means you had to know your shit! Polynesian, melanesians & Micronesians still the only ones to sail by the stars! the rest of the world doesn't have a damn clue! then it is non Polynesian people trying to twist the truth! in Africa were only africans, in Asia were only asians, in Europe were only Europeans etc... do you understand! just enjoy what you see & our accomplishments, our survival skills please stop belittling us! thx!
Most people hair is like that that definitely comes from eruopean blood and only people to have real blonde hair like full is white people and black people
When Tasman and Cook arrived they found Maori's. Now if you actually listened to what they were saying it would not be such a mystery. Maori's claim tangata whenua status from they fact we descend from the original inhabitants of this land. Be they Irish be they Phoenician be they Tamil be they Chinese be they Viking whatever what is for sure a large component of them were Polynesian and most likely they were shipwrecked. Maori's claim our status, mana whatever from the fleet that arrived about 1350. This was a planned migration and many of the crew were royalty and experts, priests with skills that would be required in this new land. Which they knew about because the ancestor Kupe the navigator bought back the instructions how to get there. Through geneology the new arrivals quickly made connections with there long lost relatives and so it was until the pakeha arrived. One of the main differences was the fleet Maori's were gardeners the tangata whenua were hunter gatherers. Hence the observation of stars was not a mystery and whats more these new people Polynesians did construct stone altars but you already no that don't you. To understand Maori History you have to speak Maori and then hang around with Maori's and if you're lucky they might speak to you.
your answer is exactly what ive been trying to say lol. this arsehole who made this is just another maori basher he has no real interest like us in the facts, he just wants to discredit our ancestors newly arrived and old, all 1 people by making descendants
Very very interesting and raises so many questions. Such as, why isn't this information, and more, generally available? What is the agenda of those restricting a history, our history, that we have every right to know about? Very well and clearly presented.
If you control history you control the world. Reliable information is so hard to find these days. A true of thumb is that the mainstream can't be trusted
@@uncle3822 They’re not trying to lay claim to the land at all! You need to watch again and learn. This doco is about refuting maori claims of being the first people (indigenous) on the land. There have been civilisations here before them and even Maori admit they arrived here by boat.
Moriori are the Tangata Whenua of the Chatham islands. You are promoting a Myth and lie created by your people. Based on writings of Percy Smith and Elsdon Best, there grew theories that the Māori had displaced a more primitive pre-Māori population of Moriori (sometimes described as a small-statured, dark-skinned race of possible Melanesian origin), in mainland New Zealand - and that the Chatham Island Moriori were the last remnant of this earlier race. These theories also had the advantage - from the view of the European settlers - of undermining the notion of the Māori as the indigenous people of New Zealand, making them just one in a neat progression of waves of migration and conquest by increasingly more civilised and technically able peoples. This in turn was used to justify racist stereotyping, colonisation and conquest by cultural "superiors" Youre merely creating another fantasy to justify your presense in New Zealand...keep dreaming the only one buying your theory are those people wearing tinfoil hats.
***** We are not promoting myths and lies based on other people's writings; based on artifacts and rock formations we have filmed and touched and measured, we are postulating that there was a civilisation in NZ long before Moriori and Maori. I don't see how anthropology and archaeology is " racist sterotyping" unless this research makes you uneasy about something . If you believe Maori are the indigenous people from 750 years ago approx then you are entitled to your belief. We beg to differ. How do you think we can resolve this issue?
well as others on this post have pointed out. where is your proof? you have not presented anything solid that can be tired back into science fact. you need to accept the fact that we were here first it will make this whole process less painful for you. noku noa ehoa
@@ngatibroffessor1840 yeah this is exactly my question. if we difference betwenn black austronesian and melanesian we understand melensian as pygmy when we understand pygmy as patupaiarehe also where is the conncetion to red and blond and litte or tall i dont get it
@@KrissyDeluxe oh please more Skeletons in the Closet bullshit. GENETICS studies show the Melanesian influence occurred in Polynesians 3000 years ago. Polynesians were on Fiji Samoa and Tonga at this time period. No human remains have been found beneath the Terawera eruption in the early 1300's. Science also confirms this. (Landcare Research) www.landcareresearch.co.nz/science/plants-animals-fungi/ecosystems/prehistoric-settlement/human-arrival
For the record - Tuatha Dé Danann didn't/don't want to deprive anyone of their piece of land on this Earth. But these burials/ monuments/ sacred places should be protected.
@pagan warrior says they have found their bones!! The maori hunted and ate them! REPLY: This is what I mean....No evidence supports this lie...go ahead and post your citation...
@pagan warrior can you sent some information about what you said? maori and egypt. as i have been thinking its the other way around. the video as im thinking all the time are the patupariarehe descendants of lemuria land or not? and isnt it possible that we all spread from there? easter island as navel of the earth
"Pseudo__________" is not an argument. This video appears to be an honest inquiry and hypothesis. Whether or not its true is a scientifically answerable question and there should be no restrictions in trying to discover the truth of it.
@@somedude3448 uh actually it is, the video does not explain how these celts reached NZ or how is there no evidence at all of them in NZ, their journey to NZ and their lack of cultural, linguistic and genetic imprint on the Maoris
There are stories of some of Tuhoe having children with the people that were all ready here. Rereke nei(respect to other beliefs, this is just a story there are many and to each their own. This is a story on my marae and our whakapapa, children of the mist. We are descendants of a long line of chiefs and the people that were made of the clay of this land. But all Maori come from royal lines and each marae has a great story. Go and listen to the descendants laugh, song & eat with them. I have been to 8 marae so far and love listening to their stories it is like I am on a voyage through time. It seems to me that maybe, just like my ancestors. The Irish too could see through the vail and in doing so could also astral project their consciousness over distances. If your looking for science to prove this it’s called quantum physics (just a food for thought)
Yes the Irish were connected to the Egyptians..... And the people made of the clay of the land were possibly aboriginal or an aboriginal mix. The aboriginals made it from Australia to the Amazon in South America. Their DNA exists in 3 tribes there. So its not out of the question they made the much shorter journey to NZ. And some Maori stories say the people here were dark and ugly (no offence just repeating). Some of the incoming Polynesians took the best women for themselves.
@@rebeccabriggs2982 don't need dna to proof it , look at the hair face eyes body structures, feet hunting tools, culture, and traditions,stories, languages, etc. I've been telling people's for a long time no one believe me, and other stuff I know without no knowledge of science just information on people's traveling documentary to many countries, books, Just got to look at what I mentioned ☝️, take in what is vision, look at what you see and observe . Don't need to be a professional to know these things,it how a person can search for knowledge for the Truth and to share . There is alot in the bible, alot of people's do not know about, even this land is mentioned in the bible and the knowledge is from eygpt. It mentioned the fish that feeds thousand that fish is the Ika o Maui, north island the Waka is the south , It also mentioned that this is the fish will be born on this his return but she is the almighty the creator but he shall observe see how the land is treated and all curroption and he can distroy life People's need to see how much is wasted and polluting corporation system need to wake up because it is there cause off, it why is so many disasters, He is here on the Waka true facts theses people's from theses names Churches King government Free Mason who ever else they know about many centuries ago and I know how they did manage to find it and why they had to find it and to take claim for his return it is in the bible but they did not know if it was real but having to invade and map the world and not being able to find the fish then the story was need written to be true it is only when a person had notice a pattern on someone and notice what it maybe how these people knew about this pattern there for it maybe the direction is and this could be the land the fish that is mentioned and shit they have no idea he is here people's walking pass or driving pass talking to him every day and night not knowing he know who he is but if he say to people who he is how many people would believe , strange how many peoples say they Jesus and people's follow But when he mentioned he god no one listens except few people's have They know the truth .
So much i could say on this thread,but i won't...I think Turehu NZ already has enough educated maori people teaching him a thing or two about our maori history,You're learning something new aren't you Turehu NZ?.....What i mean by that is...!! the amount of opposing comments based on your documented video upload......
Whereas European culture can embrace and explore the idea that their origins may be different from what they have been taught, I find it intriguing that Maori culture would struggle to investigate with enthusiasm that perhaps their history is not what we have been taught. To be defiant in attacking this idea of indigeneity is insecurity in my opinion.
"what we have been taught" is that a group of seven waka travelled together from hawaiki to find a land populated by the moriori who were then eaten and enslaved. so on the contrary, we all welcome the truth, which is quite a different story from that.
Kudos,to you for tackling this fascinating subject; to my under there were two indigenous people on the islands before the Polynesian influx,the Small "faerie like "people and the tall red/blog haired (possibly connected to the celts) ;who's remains have been found mummified in China and are also found on North America. Am sure you'll have heard of Dr Barry Fell and the amazing lady - Monica Matumuma? - the suppression of the truth is not unique to New Zealand, but,is repeated all over the world, but,why?! Keep up the good fight am glad to see you've got a doc by Gabbi Plum,am looking forward to seeing if it's one I've already seen,tomorrow. Very best wishes from London, looking forward to more on this enigma which though almost impossible to research or confirm,has been saved and is now in the public domain for those who are interested to push the agenda and do their own hunting into a past,which "someone" does appear to be trying to erase for their own grubby ends. 👌🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟👍👋👊🌟👊✌
@@eeeaten you're obviously not interested, so why bother being on this channel,or making the effort to be negative? Wish greatest respect, you've just been brain washed and obviously haven't done any research. Please don't bother to reply; unless you actually have an open mind or some interest.
on the contrary, i am very interested in our real history, which is why i am negative towards fake history and fantasy (no matter how amazing and interesting it would be if it were actually true). if i've been brainwashed it's by the fact that evidence, not wishful thinking, helps us to piece together a true picture of our past - pretty much the opposite of not doing the research. i will always reply to bs posts to point out that they're bs.
Your evidence is based on speculation no proof of claim my genealogy as an original of Te Hapu Oneone you will find a community established here before pacific migration having bought kumara or sweet potato and corn which had origins in south america. If you want to know the history ask the original native inhabitants. This is the problem when so called scholars rewrite history to suit themselves. If you go to the Kaimanawa Ranges ask locals about the great wall that was covered by the 1869 Tarawera eruption.Have to disagree utter rubbish no proof of claim..Celtic were living in Aotearoa 5000 years ago doubt it or it would have been known as New Ireland! 1325 is a load of made up bull, maori was the name given by Captain Cook after abducting a Tahitian, the Taupo eruption was in 1889 my nan was a youth Waiharakeke she passed away early 1970s age approx 110yrs old documented in our archived and recorded maori were seafarers it was not discounted marriage to settlers... your pseudo theories hold no water...
Have to disagree with you. Maori have been in NZ since around 1325. The Taupo Eruption was 186 AD and the tephra ash preserved human markings/inscisions on boulders which I have filmed which are identical to those found in Knoweth and New Grange Ireland. This is AT LEAST eleven hundred odd years before Maori set foot in NZ.
Turehu NZ Hey, I was wondering if you could post a link to where Auckland University verifies this? I've been looking for the past few days and can't find it.
I can tell you with 100% certainty these stones were not placed by ancient europeans. There is not a single shred of physical evidence to support this statement. "Conventional history tells us" maori were the first to arrive around 1300AD. You find ancient stones and immediately declare the most unconventional answer for it. So did the europeans place those stones and sail back to europe. No because they didn't know how to navigate the pacific. Polynesians were the first to do this.
LOL Where? You think White Celts discovered the Pacific before Polynesians and beat them to New Zealand? Go ahead cite your sources and dont waste my time sending me Skeleton In the Closet links LOL
@Generic InternetUser YEAH SKELETONS IN THE CLOSET WHERE THE SO CALL EXPERTS NOEL HILLIAM AND MARTIN DOUTRE HAVE NO ACADEMIC GROUNDING IN THE FIELDS THEY CLAIM TO BE EXPERTS IN. HILLIAM WAS EXPOSED AS A BULLSHIT ARTIST WITH HIS BULLSHIT CLAIM OF DISCOVERING A 3000 YEAR ON CELTIC SKULL IN A MAORI BURIAL CAVE. BOTH GOONS HAVE NEO NAZI CONNECTIONS :) www.vice.com/en_nz/article/kb4yjw/a-group-of-far-right-grave-robbers-could-be-digging-up-sacred-maori-sites
Historians and archaeologists dismiss these theories. Michael King wrote in his history of New Zealand, "Despite a plethora of amateur theories about Melanesian, South American, Egyptian, Phoenician and Celtic colonisation of New Zealand, there is not a shred of evidence that the first human settlers were anything other than Polynesian",[10] and Richard Hill, professor of New Zealand Studies at Victoria University of Wellington, said in 2012, "Not one of [the theories] has ever passed any remote academic scrutiny."[8] Hugh Laracy of the University of Auckland called them "wild speculation" that has been "thoroughly disposed of by academic specialists."[9] Another historian, Vincent O'Malley, and the New Zealand Archaeological Association regard the theories as having a racist or at least a political element, seeking to cast doubt on Waitangi Tribunal claims.[8][11] Scott Hamilton in "No to Nazi Pseudo-history: an Open Letter" further explains objections to the theories of Bolton and Doutré (and the website Ancient Celtic New Zealand).[12]
+Christopher Sibley well of course they don't of any earlier cultures and peoples.,....... why, .... because in the National archives in Wellington has all artefacts and information relating to pre maori peoples restricted until 2063. Check it out yourself.
+Christopher Sibley Suggest you check out this wonderfully researched doco by an Australian Couple. After you've looked at it then make comment. ruclips.net/video/2z6PlYiQSTs/видео.html
Actually you are incorrect. The Archaeological reports are open access in Archives New Zealand Auckland and Wellington Branches. They're also available online through Whangarei Libraries Northland Room Digital Collections. I have some of the copies which I obtained via the Maingay Collection which is online and fully accessible. This video like the Plumm production lacks any academic rigour and fails to stand up to scrutiny. The entire thing is based on a theory with the 'evidence' found to fit that theory. DNA testing of the Rapanui elders by Oslo University proved they all had Polynesian descent originating from the Marqesas Islands. Scientists also proved the polynesian people were master navigators and more than capable of traversing the Pacific as far away as Easter Island. Also in the DNA evidence they found the Rapanui had had some contact with people of South America. This "there were people before Maori" is flawed, without any plausible evidence and has no sound basis in fact whatsoever.
Hello Liz, "academic rigour" is an oxymoron especially from our so called academic institutes. If these people say anything controversial they are "down the road". Openness with ideas for discussion can only come from people like us; we are not afraid. Those in Universities are so PC and willing to tow the line for fear of losing their jobs. If you are an academic Archaeologist would you like to help?
Sorry I can't accept your argument. Had you a sound basis with proper evidence instead of conjecture I would take this so called 'Waitaha/Turehu" theory as perhaps plausible. But it isn't. There hasn't been one piece of sound evidence produced. Just a theory without the solid evidence required to prove it is plausible. You're quick to dismiss the Academic community, and I highly doubt anyone there would supposedly lose their jobs. Because somehow simply accepting a theory that cannot produce the supporting evidence isn't how someone academically trained would work. At least not those that are taken seriously James Belich being one of them. Archaeologists go on the evidence they excavate, date and examine to determine the timeline in comparison to those who make the consistent claim that the Waipoua Reports are all supposedly locked up until 2063 because of some supposed government conspiracy. And yet I was able to obtain them via the Whangarei Libraries digital collection. I'm a Heritage Researcher Turehu and like the archaeologists I go on documented evidence which includes reading archaeolgical reports. When you come up with the actual archaeological evidence to prove your theory then maybe you'll get taken seriously. Let me know when you do.
How would yous kno tht those Land makes of Rocks had came from Ireland or Your Country you talking about..lol Soo why arent they still here the Maoriz Rowed there Wakaz from Hawaiki too find there New Land Ko Aotearoa Now Yous are saying how did the Rocks get there lol..Get a Life Soon u gonna say how did the Egyptians..Build an Makes there Pyramids an Where did they get there Rocks from aye..Goes Bks too England because thts Where You English White pplz all comes from.. Unless Onn tht Rite Yous came on Captain Crocks Ship from England an he dropped off all the Crimmals off I'm Australia an NZ Who all Invaded all the Black Race Yous Called them all an Stole there lands an Killed an Rapped there Woman an Shipped there Children bks too England an Used them as Slaves..the Indigenous pplz were already in Australia.. Wen the Maoriz came thru..an Discovered NZ.. Indigenous pplz an they are the Dream Times of Soo many Tribes tht Discovered Australia.. The History Books already States it was the Maoriz tht Discovered Aotearoa..Ask Your Queen Elizabeth she sed the Maori..are Rated nubrr 1 in the World for English Language..now I wonder why she stated tht in her England History Books lol Well thts Why NZ p
thts the Sent her Eldest Children too Study English in NZ University Schools lol Soo the Maoriz could teach them Our too Speak Proper English Words lol She didnt have enough Confidence too let her Children Learn English in her own Country aye You pomys Dont kno the 1st thing about talking Proper English lol thts why pplz comes too NZ too learn how too Speak proper English aye I Can believe You pakeha are trying too say Other pplz were in NZ before NZ God gave all Diff Cultures too lives in own Countrys an Speak there langages aye Why do Yous think Yous can steal Over pplz treasures an Gold Yous ate Curpt an Greedy tht why You pakeha Govts terrible aye Get a life Cos God Will Punish Yous all..xx
I'm not a racist in any way. I dont really care if NZ is completely given to Maori. They are generous people. I'm 1/8 Maori. I like truth, and history is like a gig saw puzzle. The accepted story of 7 great wakas arriving in NZ would suggest a unified arrival. As we all know Maori are not unified and were very brutal on each other. This suggests arrivals came from different peoples, at different times. Many Polynesian people have the birthmark on their behind. This originates from Genghis Khan , down on through Asia, and many Asian people have this spot on their behinds. Also, some early arrivals to NZ came via Iran thru Peru, Easter island (you tube ancient NZ history, completely non racist, many Maori stories) AND SOME from the more traditional route, Polynesia. Also many hundreds of ships left Europe and Asia in 14/15 hundreds. Only half returned home and were accounted for. It is possible many roamed the oceans and picked up women and landed in NZ. Remains of Spanish galleons have been found in the Kaipara harbour. So lets work it all out. Nothing to be scared of surly ?
Absolutely Mark, I find archaeology and the movement of people fascinating and the Maori who call this a racist subject must be fearful or ignorant. Wouldn't it be great to have a time machine eh?
Disappointed in the so called research, Its seems more speculation, that Celtic origins are more plausible than Easter Island or Myans or Incas or a whole world of closer related cultures but you chose Ireland? I was looking forward to a good story or be educated but let down. Is there no one else in the world to support your view?
Keileen Lucre he does speculate but DNA testing has been carried out and found skeletons pre dating moari- shared the same DNA as people living in Wales 3000 years ago, that is a fact however when people post videos on you tube without entire proof of what there saying it makes a mockery of it all which is a shame
Keileen Lucre although it has been proven also that people of Egyptian, Peruvian etc decent were also in nz pre dating moari arrival, there are moari today who share there DNA a lot of them can be seen in rotorua with blonde or red hair and some with green eyes etc different sites offer better info/facts
'He does speculate but DNA testing has been carried out and found skeletons pre-dating Maori shared the same DNA as people living in Wales 3,000 years ago'. Would you care to give us your source for this statement?
Yep, they sailed out from the Canterbury region about 300 years after Maori arrived. They then developed their own culture and customs due to the isolation and less-friendly environment of the Chathams
MAORI have always said they are the First to POPULATE Aotearoa, they never said they were the first to visit Aotearoa, there are stories from Nga Puhi of shipwrecked spanish sailors and how they lived together, stories of Ngati Kahungunu living with norse european left behind and living together
First to visit or first to populate New Zealand is the same in my book. Would be nice for these oral stories of Maori to be published and taught as part of NZ history.
There is plenty of speculation of very advanced groups of people worldwide who lived well before recorded history .Look at Gobleteki apparently 12000years old.The world had been travelled for much longer than our memory or written history.
Don’t know why people think there would only have been one or two waves of settlers on New Zealand. In the Caribbean where I am from there are the same indentations on stones referred to as work holes. Very similar spirals carved into the stones and caves, made by a people whose name has long been lost, they predate the Kalinago (Caribs) and the Arawaks. Similar markings, I realized, are found in the Canary Islands on the other side of the Atlantic. I must say though don’t limit yourself in thinking the migration happened OUT of pre Celtic Europe it could have happened IN to pre Celtic Europe.
South Americans have a connection to eastern polynesians for example 'te arawa' in Aotearoa 'te arava' in the Tuamotus also known as Havaiki and 'ta arawak' a tribe in South America.
Druids (High ranked Celtics) were Indo-European who built stone henge and other ancient structures in old Britton....Many Maori terms derived from Indo-European language...and Indo-European language derived from Sanskrit. The ancient stone structures in NZ are evident that Vedic culture were here long ago.. (Evidence in the Epic of Ramayana) Druid astrologers used a system based on twenty-seven lunar mansions, called Nakshatras in Vedic Sanskrit.
they became indigenous through right of occupation and residence....what a dumb fucking question...I doubt your Maori...more like some brown facing Martin Doutre shit bag LOL
@mb1968nz What a brilliant representative of your race, you are. Maybe you should look at increasing your comprehension of the spoken language: according to your own definition, squatters are also indigenous, or is time a necessary component under your abstract usage of the word? If so, please point me to any accepted dictionary definition, of the word. Native Africans & Americans, Asians, Eskimos are all examples of an indigenous people. Just because the Maori didn't originate in a country, doesn't belittle the amazing achievements & courage of their emigration in times gone by. It can only increase it, if you thought about it.
@@ngatibroffessor1840 WHOA!!!! Random, violent ad-hominin attacks much???? This is a public forum, read by people of all ages. Please try to maintain a decent level of decorum and civility: people might think you're a Trump supporter if you swear at and attack people like this.... ok jokes aside: if you wish to refute someone, its best to use FACTS, not attacks.
@@ngatibroffessor1840 Obviously YOU are the snowflake here. You're obviously upset as HECK about something, and taking out your frustration on random RUclips commenters. Please just chill, and start engaging in rational, fact-based dialogue instead of profanity and rants.
Why couldn't Maori or their predecessors have made these ? Spirals were inscribed by many cultures..not just Celts! Where is the evidence of Celts sailing to NZ in those days?
What is the proof of the first stone showed being used as a solar compass? The measurements cited, are only contextless measurements. The Grinding holes are a ubiquitous world-wide (people grind things). The rock carvings have similar counterparts throughout Polynesia. The claims made by this group are anecdotal, without actual age dating, actual expert comparisons and sourcing, etc. The purpose of claims like in this group is to discredit Maori people, because of feelings of being disenfranchised. Feelings that pale in comparison to the long term treatment and struggle of indigenous people.
You have no idea. There are indeed similar findings around the world, but what is less known are the datings found, the dna of skeletal remnants, the carvings and paintings of the "ruling classes", and the symbols found. The swastika, a 12,000+ year old european scythian symbol.
The Eastern Polynesians who became Maori built the Moai on Easter Island. White folks love making videos about how standing stones (not even carved in this case) are somehow evidence of European settlement. ruclips.net/video/cjvjLji5VQ4/видео.htmlsi=0nQFN4NqyHiQMK7S note the Rapanui Easter Island Elder in this video speaking the same language as the Maori documentor (each in their own lands dialects but the same language. More importantly note the Easter Island Elder explaining that the Ancestors of Maori are the same as the Ancestors of Rapanui. When the same people went to Rapanui Easter Island they built and transported mega stone. When these same peoples sailed to Aotearoa they carved in the abundant material wood. When the same peoples went to the Chatham Islands they carved in wood and stone. RUclips is full of videos by people looking for evidence that undermines indigenous explorers the world over. But yeah show some small standing stones and call them Celtic if it floats your boat.
John, at 5:25 you say information regarding these archaeological sites has been "suppressed" by the government. If you look carefully at the order it uses the word "restricted". Suppressed and restricted have two different meanings. Suppressed means, 'to not allow people to know about or see something'. Restricted means, 'limited to persons authorized to use information, documents etc'. If you read the order it reads as follows; 'Prior consultation requires approval of the Te Raroa-Waipoua Archaeological Advisory Committee or other subsequent Te Raroa authority'. The information hasn't been suppressed as you assert, only restricted. In fact the document that you purport to be a suppression order is in fact an "Agreement for the Transfer of Archives'. In this case from the Dept. of Conservation to the Te Raroa-Waipoua Archaeological Advisory Committee. So, please stop misrepresenting the facts to suit your twisted political agenda.
Ngamoko Nikora Supressed or Restricted ends up the same as far as "In the public interest" is concerned. Gary Cook challenged this restriction on Waipoua forest and got a partial easement which were archaeological notes describing mounds of rocks, rock circle, wall of rocks etc. However the carbon dating figures which is the most important information has purposely been withheld/suppressed/restricted from public scrutiny until 2063.
Turehu NZ This is not the same Gary Cook who co-authored with Max Hill and Noel Hilliam, "To the ends of the Earth" is it? Professor Paul Moon, of Auckland AUT University, has been quoted as saying that the book's authors lack credibility and questions their research methodologies. Who carried out the radiocarbon dating of the artifacts at Waipoua forest? Where is the suppression order supposedly suppressing the carbon dating record until 2063? As I said earlier the document you purport to be a suppression order is in fact an "Agreement for the Transfer of Archives" it says so on this video at 5:23. Restricted yes, suppressed/withheld no.
@@hamish1309 and the agenda is if it doesn't belong to you then you don't get it...simple. I mean seriously you fellas don't know shirt about our history if anything I've seen on RUclips is to go by
I think everyone should read this email. Its by a former NZ judge and Law Lecturer, and whether they like it or not all families should read it and be aware of what’s is happening In June 2022, Anthony Willy, former Judge and Law Lecturer, said “The catch cry ‘democracy does not work for Maori’ has become the mantra for the destruction of democracy. Quite simply we are witnessing a coup designed to dismantle our democracy and the Rule of Law and replace it with the worst form of tribalism coupled with the greed of those who want what they have not earned.” The rollout of the Government’s He Puapua plan to establish Maori sovereignty by 2040 is proceeding at breathtaking speed. We are living in revolutionary times. It is a coup, by a small number of iwi elite who have their hands on the levers of power thanks to our Prime Minister’s willingness to sacrifice New Zealand democracy for totalitarian tribal rule. Virtually every facet of our society is now subjected to their influence with their latest ‘conquest’, the legal system, by replacing Western Common law that has evolved over hundreds of years with Maori tribal practices. Replacing democracy with tribal rule is so extreme, that Jacinda Ardern knew she would lose the 2020 General Election if her plan became known. As a result, she kept He Puapua hidden from her New Zealand First coalition partner - and from the public - until after she had secured the power to govern alone. None of the significant changes, which are undermining democracy and our Kiwi way of life that are being introduced through He Puapua, have received a mandate from the public. The restructuring of health, polytechnics, our legal system, and water services are all illegitimate policy changes designed to pass control to the tribal elite. None have public approval. In this climate of division created by Jacinda Ardern, key institutions are being corrupted from their original purpose of serving all New Zealanders as equals, to prioritising and privileging those of Maori descent. Under her leadership, democracy is being replaced by apartheid. Jacinda Ardern is not doing this alone. Supporting her are the powerful members of Labour’s 15-strong Maori Caucus. Recently Willie Jackson addressed a group of 5000 at a big marae. He shook his fist in the air and stated”When we have control of the water we have total control of Aotearoa” They are well on the way to doing just this while all the confused pakeha are looking on bemused! He Puapua is dangerous, it spells the end of one law for all, and of DEMOCRACY, He Puapua must go. New Zealand, we cannot remain silent, we must voice & demonstrate our opposition to He Puapua now!.
Maori people, for thousands of years lived their lives in harmony with nature in these lands. Just two hundred years ago these lands truly were paradise. Then along came democracy with its unjust schemes, corrupting all that was good. And paradise was no more but 'democracy' still reigns. So don't despair when democracy doesn't look at you the way youre accustomed to. That's democracy!!
@@munzotheawesome1522 yeah trying to act like they colonised us when they were really running away from the great stink of shithole england. Look it up brotha the great stink england
No indication to any evidence productivity amongst acheologist there are plenty of cultural origin explanation in the 18th century historical accounts of iwi and colonists with tonnes more evidence. More speculation than evidence though I want to believe thoroughly dissapointed. Today Polynesians still stand as the first people.
The commentator is ignorant about the distribution of megalithic stones. They are not only found in Britain, Ireland and France, but elsewhere in Europe, Middle East, South Asia, Korea and in South America.
maori not only carved wood but they carved stone and bone as well do more research my friend. just a little tip try searching out side of uncle google and your so called library. best bet is to talk to the locals and everyone already knows about this vikings theory your not the first one who has been down this track lol
there have been stories of giants, with red hair in the chinese pyramids and american mounds, also up until recently still living according to recent raids on tribes only a few hundred years ago
Ancient islanders have light skin who looks caucasian among them and red haired too. They bear the name of their clans describing just that, they're tall and light skin. This Moriori group of people speaks a Micronesian dialect if those documentaries are factual but it appears there's a lot of Polynesian influence on their language as well. Many of their words only used in Micronesia instead of Polynesia. I'm not sure about how Celtics came to be but stone settings like this one in the Video is pretty common in Tahiti, Yap, Guam and some of the islands. Perhaps the Celtics were one and the same as the islanders ancestors origin but the whole blue eye thingy and light skin was a much later results of intermarriage from the European side after the real indigenous group migrating away? I noticed the islanders have similarities with the celtics and the Norse too. Possible that all the similarities are only ancient sharing of information and cultural influences but has nothing to do with a particular group trying to claim ownership or origin of something.
There's good doco on atm called Origins, which traces the path of human movement in the pacific. When NZ was discovered, there was a lot of movement to and from NZ, back to the islands. Standing stones is part of Polynesian culture also.
Seeing a slight cavity in a rock and claiming it is strong evidence of a link with a culture on the other side of the earth is unconvincing to say the least.
Nah the queen and Pope and British Spanish pirates churches Invade it and then sold it and then lease it and people's believe they own it they own the name New Zealand but not the earth they own the name of people's name's but not the land they own people's houses homes but not the earth and land, people only buy paper not the property ,corporation lies it called salvage and slaved the land's Land meaning people, law is a vessel Search the truth about birthcerticate universal income cestui qui vie what is law salvage court banks government politician popes kings queens schools find the truth One world order. one world religion one white man system. All for gold greed power manupilate brain wash control revenue and tax thieving people's benefits, culture, traditions,
Not too sure why people are so set in stone with their beliefs about history...As things do get discovered throughout time, the goalposts inevitably do get moved...history does change. As everyone knows we are a young country, we are forever evolving, learning and its bound to change. England itself has as you all know, a huge history, yet the more study and archeological digs that go on around the Roman sites, Medieval sites and the Henges etc, they are learning that their history is not what they first thought it to be...It in itself is still changing and evolving as history always will. We need to be more open-minded about this, nothing is set in stone, not even the 'facts' in the Bible, but that's another story for another day!
Growing up in New Zealand, I never heard anything about this. However, it is entirely plausible that such a fertile and habitable land would have been lived in prior to 1,000 years ago.
@@eeeaten No eeeaten. The structure is made of Ryolite, quarried from a location some 16 kms away. DOC is with you in the lies. Don't be scared of the Truth, why live a lie? Have you been there? Amazing site, covered by Taupo eruption, and even a lot older.
Dear Ross Baker Hi I need to talk with archeologist as I am the true Queen descendant of the stone people long before the mori ori if u would like to discuss than we can produce evidence to the claim that dates back to 2,000 years ago and more. There are seven structures not all have been found still to be discovered. And only my people know exactly where they are... My people are the Ngariki Kaiputahi people a very humble people. If you would like to discuss further than please contact me via email first. Regards,Marie5 days ago•
So Maori must have built stone hedge in Britain not the so-called Druids. Then left to sale around the world. In the 1980s There were items in the NZ herald asking what does tangata whenua (people of the land ) means. And also that Kawanatanga(pigeon for Governor) means Sovereignty. I can even remember reading one item in relation to the Treaty of Waitangi, for clarification of what the English word Partnership means. In the 1990sor early 2000s I read in the herald that some Pakeha (Maoris name for Whiteman, ) maori had other names for the Red Yellow or Black man, back to the ,some pakeha asking where their Taurangawaiwai ( ancestors home land ) is. I can understand the insecurity of pakeha here in Aotearoa in having to question there own identity hear in Polynesia. But to have the colonists arrogance of determining who the first people of our beautiful land on top of the world is like believing in Myth of King Arthur and the Knights of the round table. Even the term Knights was stolen from Arabian Knights. If want to use Maori ie Turehu there’s a name for insecure colonist white men ie Tauiwi. The opposite to indigenous.
I am glad that I am living long enough to see these things uncovered. I am still amazed by the vitrified forts that I saw when I went out to some smaller islands on the West Coast of Scotland. Now there is a puzzle. These stone sites in New Zealand are fascinating.
Whatever the origins are of these artifacts, I don't believe these archeologists and people working for the government should have the right to bury things found about NZ's past. It's all about being politically correct, like a lot of other things now days.
Interesting. I recently heard of people called the Menehune coming here from Hawaii a long time ago, They were of small stature and were stone workers. A place called the Menehune Fishpond on Kauai has intricately cut and placed stonework.
It seems hes just selected any stone or pattern and tried to fit it into a theory. Think I might go outside and find a rock and say some alien put it there, and when you look at it from the right angle, you could see it lines up with Mars. Damn, Im a qualified archaeologist and astronomer in 5 seconds.
In a nutshell the Maori were not the first people here by thousands of years. So they only have the same rights as other New Zealanders that arrived here. Waitangi tribunal needs to be thrown out, their a non entity and don’t belong in a multicultural modern society.
only it's 100% made up. science shows the first people of new zealand were the eastern Polynesian ancestors of maori, who began arriving from around 1250AD.
How old is the oldest graveyard or human skeleton ever found or dug up in New Zealand? I am not an Archaeologist but wouldn't these, along with tools or poetry etc, be the main indicators of past civilization? It seems hard to believe a society could exist without leaving these sort of traces.
@@hannah.r6613 bit hard to do if you dont know wea they are.taputapuatea..oldest dated marae/artifacts.dating exactly when we know of..as we arrived to assimilate with the first generation of kupe shortly after.why is thea no remains of any others? to this day after building cities...towns....mining....etc no remains of artifacts of any others prior to maori are found..assimilation definately but still nothing dating before ancient maoris known arrival.ppl forget kupe began the population..much later a fleet of maori made the voyage to assimilate with them.not completely dismissing these storys just yet.regards to features....many maori come from a mixture of polynesians creating many differences in physical features.i believe maori are a blend of asian and soutth american giving them a more unique culture compared to other polynesians who seem to be either more of east influence and more of west.maori seem to be a blend in my opinion
I would like TurehuNZ to either remove this video from RUclips, or at the very least change its title. TurehuNZ has not presented any credible evidence of pre-non Maori settlement of New Zealand on this video, or anywhere else, for the reasons stated in my earlier posts. They are his views and are not compelling or credible evidence so the title to this video is both misleading and insulting to the Maori people. And lastly, who at the University of Auckland has given official recognition for any of the views presented in this video?
Ngamoko Nikora This video presents factual hard evidence of pre Maori occupation. No way could a primitive cannibal race have any concept of mathematical calculation with the astronomical calendars. To those Maori who are offended; tough. It is a free speech world on You Tube. "Maoriwithattitude" on this blog is an aware person who mentions how Maori elders distort their pre Maori history by talking about the fairy people in a way to make the stories more of a myth to cover up the reality of the Turehu. As a pakeha I am insulted by you playing the victim all the time. The world does NOT owe you a living. Your insecurities over this subject is pathetic. I challenge all Maori who read this to do some digging for the truth; pester your elders. Alot of them are good people and may open up. Your aggression and insecurities are what will always hold your culture back. Be open, be helpful towards the quest for truth.
Turehu NZ Firstly, this video does not present hard evidence of pre-Maori occupation. Let's look at the stones as shown do you have any geological/archaeological opinions from established academic experts in this field supporting your view? I think not. For all we know the stones mentioned could have been placed there as a result of volcanic activity, or other natural occurrences. As to the markings on the stones they could have been the result of some 'prankster' in recent times chiseling them out with a hammer and chisel. I asked you earlier, who at the University of Auckland has given official recognition for the views presented here? You have not responded, which can only be interpreted as no one at the University of Auckland agrees with you. Free speech is one thing, but to present opinion as fact without hard evidence in an attempt to displace Maori as the indigenous people of New Zealand is an insult. As a child my father would often talk to me about the Turehu and would show me where they would appear. They were from the underworld, supernatural beings like the leprechaun from Ireland. Secondly, you have no evidence of pre-Maori occupation of New Zealand for the following reasons;(1) any large scale settlement would likely be accompanied by the destruction of a considerable amount of forest by fires, and scientists can discover the date at which this sort of destruction began by testing pollen spores preserved in the sediment of lakes. Tests do not indicate any man-made destruction of the forests began until less than 1,000 years ago, so your claims of a mass settlement of pre-non Maori Celtic people occurring 4,500 years ago looks rather unlikely. (2) If large numbers of Caucasian people lived in New Zealand thousands of years ago, then we ought to be finding their skeletons, as well as burial items which reflect a non-Polynesian material culture. But the oldest skeletons and burial items that have been found are distinctly Polynesian, and are less than 1,000 years old. (3) The strongest evidence against your claim of ancient non-Maori settlement comes from DNA testing. You have asserted in articles published that the ancestors of the Maori slaughtered the male Celts who had settled in New Zealand and then raped their women, and the present Maori therefore have some of the blood of the ancient Celts. In recent years scholars have run a series of DNA tests on Maori, in an effort to trace their ancestry. These tests confirm that Maori are a Polynesian people, and that Polynesians have their origins in coastal Asia thousands of years ago. In 2005 a team from the University of Victoria, Wellington was able to establish an ancient connection between Maori and one of the indigenous peoples of Taiwan, both groups have the same rare gene marker for coping with alcohol. If Maori really were part-Celtic, then the connection would show up in DNA tests. It doesn't. Finally, John I would therefore challenge you to accept the fact based on overwhelming evidence by academic specialists that Maori are the real indigenous people of New Zealand.
Ngamoko Nikora "Real" Academics and archaeologists are the main problem in covering up evidence. They fear for their jobs if they step out of line and go against what the UN has foisted on our Government. Look at the Celtic symbolism that adorns Maori head gear and around the waist. The rat bones found under the Taupo ash precede Maori by 1100 years. Who brought the rat to NZ? The cave near Taupo which was exposed by torrential rain revealed a family of European skeletons huddled together to hide from the Taupo eruption of 186AD, the adults had copper braclets around their wrists. Why don't you do your own research? You are fortunate in being able to approach Kaumatua and the keepers of history and quietly interview them. Even video the interview!
Turehu NZ 'Real academics and archaeologists are the main problem in covering up evidence'. OMG John, you're a conspiracy theorist par excellence. When experts debunk your theories you resort to the old covering up the evidence argument. As to the Pacific rat(Kiore) the latest radiocarbon dating puts the date of arrival of the Kiore at around 1250AD. No rat bones have been found beneath the Taupo ash of 232AD. Six dates on rat bones found in South Island cave sites, carried out by two different laboratories, all came out at 1250AD or more recent. As to the Taupo ash of 232AD and Kaharoa ash of 1314AD there has been no discovery of human settlement beneath the two ash layers. How do you know that the skeletal remains found in a Taupo cave date back to the period of the Taupo ash? Who carried out the radiocarbon dating on these skeletons? And how do you know that the said skeletal remains are European? Who carried out the DNA testing? Where is your proof John?
I was driving and noticed a Kiwi cabbage tree which isn't that interesting untill you realize that you are in Ireland. I stopped and had a look and it was definitely your stock standard NZ cabbage tree. Kind of understandable if it was in someone garden but it was in a paddock much like you see on Kiwi farms. It was a very mature tree, how did it get there and grow in that spot? Maybe there is a population of NZ cabbage trees and maybe other NZ plants in Ireland that have been there for thousands of years which could go a long way to creating an historic link showing historic travel between the two countries. I have not seen any others anywhere else in the world despite having traveled extensively. I think I can kind of remember the location.
Interesting. My understanding was the cabbage tree was brought over pre Maori from South America. I wonder then if the late Neolithic Irish who we believe settled in NZ, returned to Ireland hence taking that plant with them?
@@turehunz342 definitely not. cabbage trees are native to the western pacific, polynesia and nz. they have been taken to england/ireland since european arrival and are fairly popular there, known as the torquay or torbay palm. they were first grown in the UK in the early nineteenth century. there were no pre-maori from south america in nz. there is no evidence for anything like that. stop making stuff up.
Most maori know the history we don't need to hear from others really to be honest and Maori were approx 17,000 years way before dates told in this video, plus if truth be know as for the immagrants like the English they came a lot later, they have no real claim to New Zealand as the Spanish landed here 500 years ago. But the English don't want to acknowledge loosing face and grounding.
thats right it's called oral history which is that when Maori's arrived in New Zealand there were tall whites living there and they killed them and ate them and used their bones as fertiliser. So yeah Maoris invaded New Zealand
@@Michelle-jf8fz says there were tall whites living there and they killed them and ate them and used their bones as fertiliser. REPLY: I recognize Martin Doutre Bullshit when I smell it LOL Go ahead and provide the source to that claim...Post the support documents and links supporting that claim...more racist bullshit LOL thespinoff.co.nz/society/22-05-2017/the-white-tangata-whenua-and-other-bullshit-from-the-one-new-zealand-crew/
@@JohnDoe-tc5bc says white tall people were called patupaiarehe REPLY: Nonsense...Martin Doutre claim...All Maori know that Patupaiarehe are supernatural mythical beings.
Oh, they came from Ireland eh ? And So the white superior race continue their dominance over the world. Tarzan was white and so was jesus, I also heard the egyptians were too !!!
mate the celts weren't white, they were of west european descent, from places like germania or the mederetain, and yes Jesus was a jew, he could have been black as were some egyptians and arab tribes
I was being a little sarcastic but there is more information now that jesus, Egyptians were black and the whites keep changing things around to their liking. I don't care really who came first or last, as long as we put all the pieces together the right way. !
nice bro way to keep colonization going. this is racist crap that pakeha have always done to support their stealing of our land.. this whole video is cap.. maori were here 1st moriori are maori. we are the ppl of maui. facts.
Talk to your elders about the patupaiarehe and the turehu folk. In the early 1800s these Maori elders were quite open about this to the early missionaries.
@@johndevere1846 - there are also hundreds of accounts of patupaiarehe and urukehu Maori in the early settler papers archived online (all written 100+ years ago) and many accounts quoted directly from Maori elders as well. The early Europeans in _any_ account I have ever found never say anything like ''this proves we were here first'' - they're just as baffled as to the origins of the first people as the Maori elders are. It was just a commonly accepted fact in those days by both Maori and Europeans that someone else was here first, but they never use that to dispute land ownership or anything. I wish people wouldn't automatically dismiss this as r@cism as so many keep doing - it's about wanting to understand the ancient history of this country, to learn about the history of the peoples who have lived here. I have both European and Maori ancestry (te Atiawa Iwi) and I just wish the possible ancient history could be further investigated instead of being instantly dismissed and outright denied by so many :c
@@Vexarax the first people of new zealand are maori. the first arrivals were their eastern polynesian ancestors, and there were no people here before them. there are of course stories of people already here, those stories have a simple explanation - that maori did not all arrive together or from the same island origin, but over decades or perhaps centuries. obviously the later arrivals found people already here, but those people were also eastern polynesian in origin. hohepa is correct, this video is racist nonsense. the appearance of doutre in the video should be the most obvious clue.
@@eeeaten I don't want to dismiss Māori or their oral traditions, that's where I come from. My own tipuna spoke extensively of previous peoples, and my 7x great grandfather was Urukehu, born prior to any European contact. So I don't dismiss anything automatically for no reason - I sort of think that would be racist in a way? I'd rather honour the oral traditions of my own ancestors to the best of my abilities which becomes so difficult when any time one tries to look deeper into these stories the Māori themselves (the ones who held these beliefs and told these stories) are dismissed.. Like "oh what could they know? Only Pakeha can tell them about their past" :/ Sometimes I wonder if both the blind denial and the blind belief are rooted in some kind of racism. It's truly disheartening.
Wow so I was totally open to the whole idea and thought the video touched on some really great points till i read some of the shocking comments. If you want to be taken seriously, and avoid condemnation from the academic community, start with providing facts, stats and evidence for your argument, rather than relying on the good ol' 'them Maaaaari ate em all'.
Why on earth would anyone appeal to the priests of academia when they can discern evidence with their own eyes? Do you appeal to academics to determine whether you've crapped your pants?
If anyone wants to know why "until 1963", it's because by then the protocols will have been carried out through (in part) the kalergi plan, we'll (edom) be virtually eliminated and it won't matter whether anyone knows the truth. Good times ahead!
Whether this is correct or not, doesn't have any bearing on NZ today, and it doesn't get away from the fact that the Treaty of Waitangi was signed by Maori & the Crown as our countries founding document for rights of Maori within the colonisation of NZ and nothing will ever change that!
You are absolutely correct that this does not have any bearing on the TOW. This is a discussion on a civilisation inhabiting NZ long before Maori arrived as immigrants (like all of us).
please post more videos! do you know of any interesting locations are the Lake Ohau region? I can document the locations with my camera and drone (all footage/photos are yours to use for future videos). I am very interested in this topic. Ancient civilisations/incorrect history/solar observatories. I have documentation of 2 ancient observatories in the upper South Island already, one of which I think I discovered myself from obsessing over light direction with my photography. Both locations are too perfect for it to be by chance!
Hi Bobby, it is an interesting subject. Interested in the upper South Island Observatories if you are happy to share with me to turehunz@gmail.com Regards
@@turehunz342 I was going to comment, then I saw this drongos 2 cents so I thought I'd leave mine here as well. Thanks for sharing this info, as it's very valuable to many, so know your time in making this available is very much appreciated . It actually backs up a lot of other things I'm sure you"re aware of!
well I mean I have seen 20 differnct conflicting theories of people being here before Maori This video its Celtic people, Another one is Egyptians, another one is the Chinese, another one is the south American Indians another one is the Greeks, another one is the romans It looks like everyone was here before Maori LMFAO AHAHAHAHAHA I guess people can't take that Maori were here first and no qualified historian or geologist have proven otherwise. So it turns into one big conspiracy
+Turehu NZ No i just find it funny there are 100s of videos claiming that different civilizations were here before maori, i just saw one that says that aboriginals were here before maori. All those videos contradict each other, but they do have one thing in common...... They are all conspiracy theories and one big cover up is happening HAHAHA Literally Maori were the last people on earth to visit New Zealand lmfao
Does he actually think that early Irish people came to NZ? You can make the same comparisons to many cultures when looking at patterns cut into stone. He started off with a theory and went looking for things that would fit his preconceived ideas. That is not the way to study anything. Confirmation bias at it's worst.
david- Soe off mums wales kin look part maori , and her sisters skin creeps me out as it looks like charcoal colour . Yeah ahh am creeped out about my mothers side off the family, and a english gypsy lady ahh meet in auckland told me mums ancestors were extremly violent history.- al my prophecys and dreams are only about violence in my 64 years so far. - know when folk goin too die .
That doco blew me away. Anatomically modern humans have existed for at least 200 thousand years and yet somehow it was only at most a thousand years ago that they finally found New Zealand in the form of the Maoris landing there (even when the Aboriginal peoples of Australia have been on their nearby continent for at least 50 thousand years...) There are lots of unanswered questions about New Zealand which makes it quite shameful when asking those questions is basically a sin against the established paradigm.
Evident TurehuNZ has just learnt to turn on a computer at the time of his theory. I do hope he finds the off-switch on his computer before he continues trolling for evidence.
It's ridiculous to even suggest a pre-maori civilization. Considering maori as a race of people was not a concept until europeans arrived they have always been apart of all the other tribes on the other pacific Islands it was europeans that separated people by colour. Europeans even determined Maori arrival with a time period and migration patterns to fit their idea of human history.
Hahaha and I bet he thinks that the patupaiarehe are his direct ancestors too! If they were a people here they are definitely entwined closer in the Maori bloodlines than his.... just sayin.
some of the Maori women had ancient Persian/Indo European DNA and many red haired descendants. It’s definitely not unique to New Zealand though some other interesting finds are the Florida Bog people with red hair as well as the chachapoya red haired culture of Peru. Look up red haired, giants of America, and you will find endless examples and many tales passed down through the native peoples. One in particular being Lovelock cave.
@@inigomontoya8943 There seems to be some misunderstanding. The main ancient genetic heritage reflects Taiwanese origins with a gradual migration through the pacific. It also needs to be made aware these tests are well into the colonial period so various DNA heritages through subsequent mecegination are hardly going to be surprising. There are also traces of ancient PERUVIAN DNA, rather than Persian as its surmised Polynesian sailing expeditions made it to Peru and returned with Kumara and possibly wives. I’m not sure why people cite legends (of giants) as evidentiary proof of existence of anything, unless they’re also claiming Bigfoot and Leprechauns ALSO exist.🤷♂️
@@cainemangakahia4842 well aware of the main genetic heritage. The point of interest are traces of dna that are out of place and that according to Māori sources the islands were peopled when they arrived. That those peoples are now mixed in, forgotten, and mythologized is beside the point. Imagine we didn’t have a writing culture when the Spaniards discovered the Guanches? Would RUclips commenters compare them to leprechauns?
So Maori couldn't do this please! this so centric in its theories, why do people have to try to erode Maori belonging by trying it on with this stuff. Who said Maori didn't have this knowledge and culture> Maybe you should embrace native Maori culture and assimilate or bugger off to Ireland where the Gaels will set you right with a back hander.
Bunji The anthropology Dept of Otago estimate Maori were in NZ about 1300 at Wairoa Bar Blenheim. We never said Maori didn't have this knowledge, although people reading this blog can make up their own mind whether a cannibalistic culture had sophisticated mathematic and astronomical abilities. If you are offended that Maori culture was a violent agressive culture....tough titties mate, history is what it is. "This stuff" as you call it has been around way before 1300AD and it is in Public interest to find out who these ancient people were. If you don't like what eventuates perhaps you can bugger off to "Hawaiiki" ...where ever that place is!
Archaeology is only as good as the last carbon date, who said ancestors of modern Iwi weren't there before then or another group who are today amalgamated into present Maori culture and as such form Maori ancestral connection through integration. Don't like that theory hey!
+Turehu NZ ...Again you ashume Cannibalistic without proof..come on JOHN think before you open that SHYT HOLE of a mouth...Gezz getting really boring...
+Bunji ..I was referring to Mr wannabe Tutae hu or (turehu ) who keep saying Maori Cannibalized the so called pre Maori , and without proof...I sir ( Bunji ) am a TWAT and NOT a DICK such as you if you had read my first name ok DICKWOD and by the way I do have Qualifications in the said Academia such as that for which you have just mentioned but I will not lower my teachings to suit you..
That's why Rotorua was used for Covid quarantine & has the highest emergency housing..Rotorua is run by Maori. I nominate Remuera & Queentown to be the next Lab facility.
the moriori are fron Chatham islands. they were invaded by my ancestors and made slaves. some of the moriori men and women married into Maori families during that time. it is common knowledge in maori conversations.
Interesting. Do you know how the Morioris got to the Chathams? Also were Moriori here in NZ before Maori? I understand they were from a different part of the Pacific; more the East and had a different language from Maori who I understand most probably from the Cook Islands going by linguistic similarities.
@@turehunz342 no, moriori and maori have the same eastern polynesian ancestors, who arrived in nz from 1250AD onwards. they share linguistic and genealogical ties with ngai tahu in nz's south island.
@@turehunz342 as above the Polynesian ancestors of Māori and moriori arrived in New Zealand from 1250 onwards, then some of those people went to the chathams and became moriori (culturally distinct from maori) there. One way in which they became distinct is that the adopted “nunuku’s law” of non violence. Back in nz at that time Māori were probably not very violent as there were plenty of resources and low population density. Later inter tribal warfare increased, then with the introduction of muskets all hell broke loose. Taranaki iwi ngati mutunga and ngati tama were displaced by northern iwi, moved south to Wellington, then took a British ship and guns to take the lands and people of the chathams for themselves. That’s the short version. Interesting, right?
It's not 'convenient' for some people to have the past exposed.......a whole lifestyle depends on it.....
vague conspiracy theory nonsense
And money.
Obviously this subject causes much debate, and there is no mention of "The Children of the Mist", about the greenstone trail, or the Polynesian Triangle that has as its furthest points Hawaii, as well as New Zealand. As a blended culture, we now recognise that we all all New Zealanders, however, and it will always be the case, who came to NZ first? There are many hidden cultures making NZ a lot older than one would expect. One thing is for sure though, the Maori peoples did come, settle and continue to do so in this beautiful country. After all in the endgame we are but travelers in time and space. What we do on this earth is the important thing. :)
I agree. There is way too much arguing, bickering and fighting between Maori and pakeha. This bicultural stand off is unhealthy for NZ and as you said "we all all New Zealanders". Maori are not indigenous. They are travellers just like the first Europeans were but they want it to be more and this continuous feuding is why I no longer live in my own country of birth. I no longer have to suffer the 'in-your-face racism' on a daily basis where the pot is continuously stirred by the left leaning mainstream media. Maybe it has improved of late. I don't know.
It needs to be noted the Maori are by race, cannibals.
@Robin if you think biculturalism is bad, try living in USA. This place is a powder keg.
@@edpearson64 cannibals and what ..Put my people dwn ..Maori's were cannibals woopdy doo and what...
Well, back when I was a small lad, I was told that one of my maungas "Maungapohatu" was a comet, and crash landed on earth millions or billions of years ago. Just to be with the god of the mist (Hine Pu Kohurangi). And apparently that's where "The Children Of The Mist" Such so myself, came from. It was a great story to me as a kid. But GODDAMN , I wanna know where my kuia and koroua got there information from, Because how the hell does that work.
4,000 to 5,000 years ago red haired Irish people setup standing stone observatories and temples of worship. Why has the government placed an embargo on this knowledge until 2063?
The embargo on the archaeological dig at Waipoua forest which I think is what you are referring to was put on by Micheal Taylor concealing the carbon dating of inhabitants centuries before Maori. My friend the late Noel Hilliam was there at the dig and told me.
What reason has the Government got to hide this knowledge? Anyone's guess. After votes, maybe UN directive??
I found one of those stones once on a coastal property over 40 years ago. I was a shepherd at the time and mustering stock so didn't pay it much attension other than noting it looked out of place on raised ground and had a number of symbols or engravings that made no sense to me. I promptly disregarded it as I had work to do and didn't note if other stones existed around it or if it lined up on points on the horizon. But my interest has been raised in recent years with the drive to rewrite NZ history. Maybe I should keep its location secret so it can be rediscovered at a future time in a different political climate.
No use going to a University with your information. I would have a chat with your local MP. Feel free to email the photo and I can show it to expert who was the presenter. cheers.
@@johndevere1846 avoid the experts who will debunk the fantasies, yeah?
Keep it secret for now or get a trusted source, NZ Maori do not want this known as they will have to share the Treaty coffers or return land etc
@@jodiberntsen racist nonsense. There were no people in nz before Maori, and even if there were it wouldn’t change the fact that Maori are tangata whenua.
@@eeeaten Please refrain from the R word.. it is soo yesterday. what are you afraid of, what makes you soo closed minded????
In Samoa they were known as the Tetea (Albinos) but were expelled due to civil strife, in Tonga one of the noble clans is called Ha'amea (Ha'a meaning Clan/House and Mea meaning Pale or Light-coloured) with mythical origins, in Kiribati they are known as I-Matang (Meaning from-Matang likewise I-Kiribati meaning from-Kiribati) a name used to describe Europeans today because of their similarity to the I-Matang who arrived in ancient times. In Tokelau, Spanish Explorers described their meeting with a canoe party of natives when they discovered Olohega, describing in detail some of them being white in skin, some with freckles and reddish in hair and so named it "Isla De La Gente Hermosa" meaning Island of Beautiful People. There are a few Pacific Islander families who are descended from them when they mixed with local populations. Names like kura/ura/vula/kehu meaning "red" because of their reddish hair and also mea/tea meaning "pale" because of their complexion.
A curator at the museum in Vanuatu told me these white people were called the Lapita. I asked him what happened to them? He said well, er, um....we ate them!
Nice guy! Appreciate your input
@damis tiseye A wonderful world of discoveries out there!
@@turehunz342
Cannibalism. A nice way to explain the evidence away. You are a băllbag.
@@Nagin-zt6sc OK
these solar observatories are similar to found in south americas too, also rocks with bowls in it
we have the stones in scotland thy are on ley lines
What are ley lines? I'm trying to understand why they were so significant to the ancients.
Mystery Babylon before God scattered them to the 4 corners of the earth, same religion now being brought to the surface again as it is written in the truth of Gods word the Bible, particularly Revelations. Genius chapter 6 gives the original story.,
This is interesting as hell, but factually it's a mixed bag. I've looked into it a lot because I love reading about this kind of thing. Sadly, I'm always disappointed when I dig a bit further.
The thing about the Moriori arriving a couple of hundred years earlier has no basis in fact, it's a common misconception that was disproved in the 1970s - they were Māori who settled the Chatham Islands from mainland NZ, probably around 1500, and they underwent a cultural shift due to resource scarcity. Their language is a dialect of Māori most similar to the Ngāi Tahu dialect. They are genetically and culturally Māori and their early artefacts match those found on the mainland.
There are definitely some interesting and tantalising clues that people may have at some point visited NZ prior to Māori settlement, but there is no solid evidence that anyone other than the ancestors of Māori settled here for long enough or large enough numbers to leave any evidence. Contrast this to the viking settlement sites in remote parts of Canada - despite them not having managed to successfully colonise North America there is still plenty of evidence for the handful of attempts that they made.
Polynesian people are well known for erecting stone monuments similar to those of the neolithic period in Europe. There are some particularly impressive monuments in Tonga, for example, as well as the obvious Easter Island Maoi, and astronomically aligned monuments throughout western polynesia and micronesia.
The artifacts, stone monuments and carvings shown aren't stylistically different to other Polynesian examples found elsewhere, which is why archaeologists don't view them as being evidence for a non-polynesian culture on their own.
The whole idea that the archaeological community is taking part in a conspiracy to suppress knowledge for which evidence exists I find fairly unbelievable - archaeologists, and indeed any person who's gotten into a financially unrewarding profession, are doing the work mostly for the love of it, there is no incentive for them to hide things and indeed if there was any evidence contrary to the current understanding then surely they'd be all over it.
Hi Nik, You are right; it is a mixed bag and subject worth getting excited about and openly researched as in other countries. FYI do some research on the pre polynesian megalithic builders called the Lapita people and connect the dots with the megalithic structures in Tonga and a pyramid base on Savaii in Samoa plus who do you think taught the Polynesians mathematics and astronomical navigational plotting ?
Stonehenge must have been built by modern brits, then, seeing as similar structures can be found all over modern britian
rahowhero where
Whatu Wikohika he was being sarcastic....He is stating a similar scenario but in a European context. It was well stated.
_"The whole idea that the archaeological community is taking part in a conspiracy to suppress knowledge for which evidence exists I find fairly unbelievable -"_
While I find your comment very interesting, I feel obliged to correct this assumption.
The most obvious example would be Egypt, ofcourse. Where to this day any research requests are met with quite a bit of hostility. It is blatantly obvious that conventional Egyptology is completely false.
Then there is Peru & Bolivia, which in a nutshell is the same story. Vast amounts of evidence that contradict the official narrative.
And closer to NZ I can think of the Gunung Padang pyramid in Indonesia. They won't even let them use ground radar. It's completely off limits, despite vast amounts of evidence literally lying around everywhere there.
I trust these 3 examples will suffice to get rid of the notion that "it is hard to believe that the archaeological community is taking part in a conspiracy to suppress knowledge for which evidence exists"
Would it not be more factual to say that the Maori were the first inhabitants of the Celtic lands and that the rock carvings was of their doing . Fact, what white man ever left a land they possessed ?,Fact, Maori migrated all over the world from ancient times ,Fact, whilst Maori travelled this planet and finally settled in Aotearoa ,the white man still believed they would fall off the edge of the world.Shall I continue? even though there are many,many truths I can give to dispell the growing lies that seem to be gathering pace by the lying white man ,the Maori ,or more exact the Polynesian were and are the greatest seafaring people ever in the history of this world from the beginning . White history says De Garma or Magellan were the first to comment the earth less than 800yrs ago .Truth is they did not even complete one third of their so called "epic journey" .One final truth, who was the guide Megellan had on his ship, it was his servant A POLYNESIAN .The white man lives in his lies to diminish the truth of the greatness of the dark skinned people .
IMO Maori are nothing more then a collective of shipwrecked, castaways who were all marooned in NZ and married/inter breed....they were not one peoples and never have been...their numbers thrived due no disease and an abundance of everything needed to sustain life....this myth about Maori being such great seafaring people is the biggest crock of them all....they were reduced to paddling canoes/waka by the time Cook arrived.... this group of people known as Maori didnt even possess the ability to use the wheel.
@@mrspecialk1234 inter breed, isnt that a European thing lol??
@@mrspecialk1234 says Maori are nothing more then a collective of shipwrecked, castaways who were all marooned in NZ and married/inter bree
REPLY: All evidence shows Polynesians dscovered this Island and more including the America's while you were marrying Goats and interbreeding with them. We embraced the ocean while you feared it LOL
all evidence?....what evidence?.....its not like Polynesians had a writen language and recorded everything is it?.....NO, they relied on myth and legend rather then hand writen historical recording......
@@mrspecialk1234 says Polynesians had a writen language and recorded everything is it?.....NO, they relied on myth and legend rather then hand writen historical recording......
REPLY: WRONG - Our history is recorded in many ways - Art - Chants - Song & Dance, tribal oral tradition and those changed with whakapapa most Maori have the ability to trace ancestry back to a canoe :)
The three truths. Yours, theirs and the real truth.
The real truth is the third truth. Noted
@@israelboakes6710 But none of them true.
@@brahmahum A lie
@@brahmahum A LIE
The fact that the information is restricted until 2063 is baffling. Why so long I wonder.
The information is as restricted as any of the books sitting in the restricted section of all nz libraries. .....in other words you can’t remove or access the ‘information’ without prior approval,,...but,...you’re more than welcome to study the info in the ‘restricted’ area till your hearts contenr.
@@AdamRangiahoLove the response! 😅
I think its just jealousy that Maori did something they couldn't.
And stop trying to bring the irish poms into it
Theyre stillhere and the depth of there knowledge is fierce
frickn ay. water or any body of fluid at rest always forms a level surface. glass half full bro. we have all bin laden
Yes there knowledge is so fierce that according to monica Matamua only 2 Ngati hotu even speak the language. There language which is nearly extinct and unrelated to any other in the world. They were almost (according to monica Matamua) wiped out by the Ngati Tuwheratoa in 1450 after the battle of the 5 forts. Yeah sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fierce.
stop talking smack idiot.you must follow noal hilliams research.do you realize tuhoi are hotu.parou and many other hapu.waitaha still here clown.im one.stop misleading the truth cause you fail to search for truth.
@@mh4485
You are ngati hotu?
@@mh4485 Chuuur the clown can you rewrite your comment, please. That shit was painful to read.
I have found exactly the same type of alignments and arranged stones on the port hills above Christchurch but no-one has noticed them. One of the alignments of several stones point to the solstice sun setting over the Alps.
Excellent. On the Solstice coming up take note of where the sunrise and sunset markers line up with a hub stone.
@@turehunz342 , i would say Earth is flat (Minute 2.05) and Stones are for navigation.
@@turehunz342 I did this long ago and found the primary sighting rock or what you call 'hub' stone, it was way back in the 90s. I also took a lot of photos but the whole roll got exposed to light somehow. There are several observation spots with stones arranged like this to sight points where the sun goes down behind the Southern Alps along the crater rim in mid-winter and mid-summer, probably made by the albino Patupairaehe who are said to have lived up there forever in the Rapaki iwi legends recounted by Tikao.
@@FrancisMaxino lol probably not
@@FrancisMaxino albino patupairaehe you say wow I love how European use and twist our very own mythology to suit their pre maori narratives but when ever maori speak about mythology in any way pakeha laugh and dismiss It eg taniwha etc why are they so hung up on dismantling maori accomplishments it often boils down to Christians and white supremacy often it is both they are synonymous for me Christians defaced our tiki and manaaki through out history and still today beacuse it is a deity to them its obvious to me lot of Christians hate maori because they worship other gods and not jesus lots of Christians are good also tho but it is a two sided sword imoh
Nonsense... Moriori never came before the Maori. They were Maori who left the mainland to populate the Chatham Islands and diverge
Polynesian people hair turns blonde or reddish from being in the sun, hawaii, it's ehu hair, tonga ulu hika etc... in tonga, there is the haamonga built by the tui tonga, to recognize the seasons, sunrise & set etc... they think we are dumb lol not capable of doing or understanding this lol our sea voyages were lead by masters of the seas, which means you had to know your shit! Polynesian, melanesians & Micronesians still the only ones to sail by the stars! the rest of the world doesn't have a damn clue! then it is non Polynesian people trying to twist the truth! in Africa were only africans, in Asia were only asians, in Europe were only Europeans etc... do you understand! just enjoy what you see & our accomplishments, our survival skills please stop belittling us! thx!
Most people hair is like that that definitely comes from eruopean blood and only people to have real blonde hair like full is white people and black people
When Tasman and Cook arrived they found Maori's. Now if you actually listened to what they were saying it would not be such a mystery. Maori's claim tangata whenua status from they fact we descend from the original inhabitants of this land. Be they Irish be they Phoenician be they Tamil be they Chinese be they Viking whatever what is for sure a large component of them were Polynesian and most likely they were shipwrecked. Maori's claim our status, mana whatever from the fleet that arrived about 1350. This was a planned migration and many of the crew were royalty and experts, priests with skills that would be required in this new land. Which they knew about because the ancestor Kupe the navigator bought back the instructions how to get there. Through geneology the new arrivals quickly made connections with there long lost relatives and so it was until the pakeha arrived. One of the main differences was the fleet Maori's were gardeners the tangata whenua were hunter gatherers. Hence the observation of stars was not a mystery and whats more these new people Polynesians did construct stone altars but you already no that don't you. To understand Maori History you have to speak Maori and then hang around with Maori's and if you're lucky they might speak to you.
your answer is exactly what ive been trying to say lol. this arsehole who made this is just another maori basher he has no real interest like us in the facts, he just wants to discredit our ancestors newly arrived and old, all 1 people by making descendants
Very very interesting and raises so many questions. Such as, why isn't this information, and more, generally available? What is the agenda of those restricting a history, our history, that we have every right to know about? Very well and clearly presented.
Liz deVere Did Turehu ask you to post that at the last clan meeting Liz?
If you control history you control the world.
Reliable information is so hard to find these days. A true of thumb is that the mainstream can't be trusted
I fully agree with you Liz, it's called "knowledge filtration "
This is a bunch of lies. White people trying to stake a claim to the land like they have done forever and everywhere they went.
@@uncle3822 They’re not trying to lay claim to the land at all! You need to watch again and learn. This doco is about refuting maori claims of being the first people (indigenous) on the land. There have been civilisations here before them and even Maori admit they arrived here by boat.
Moriori are the Tangata Whenua of the Chatham islands. You are promoting a Myth and lie created by your people. Based on writings of Percy Smith and Elsdon Best, there grew theories that the Māori had displaced a more primitive pre-Māori population of Moriori (sometimes described as a small-statured, dark-skinned race of possible Melanesian origin), in mainland New Zealand - and that the Chatham Island Moriori were the last remnant of this earlier race. These theories also had the advantage - from the view of the European settlers - of undermining the notion of the Māori as the indigenous people of New Zealand, making them just one in a neat progression of waves of migration and conquest by increasingly more civilised and technically able peoples. This in turn was used to justify racist stereotyping, colonisation and conquest by cultural "superiors" Youre merely creating another fantasy to justify your presense in New Zealand...keep dreaming the only one buying your theory are those people wearing tinfoil hats.
***** We are not promoting myths and lies based on other people's writings; based on artifacts and rock formations we have filmed and touched and measured, we are postulating that there was a civilisation in NZ long before Moriori and Maori. I don't see how anthropology and archaeology is " racist sterotyping" unless this research makes you uneasy about something . If you believe Maori are the indigenous people from 750 years ago approx then you are entitled to your belief. We beg to differ. How do you think we can resolve this issue?
well as others on this post have pointed out. where is your proof? you have not presented anything solid that can be tired back into science fact. you need to accept the fact that we were here first it will make this whole process less painful for you. noku noa ehoa
@@ngatibroffessor1840 yeah this is exactly my question. if we difference betwenn black austronesian and melanesian we understand melensian as pygmy when we understand pygmy as patupaiarehe also where is the conncetion to red and blond and litte or tall i dont get it
@@KrissyDeluxe oh please more Skeletons in the Closet bullshit. GENETICS studies show the Melanesian influence occurred in Polynesians 3000 years ago. Polynesians were on Fiji Samoa and Tonga at this time period. No human remains have been found beneath the Terawera eruption in the early 1300's. Science also confirms this. (Landcare Research) www.landcareresearch.co.nz/science/plants-animals-fungi/ecosystems/prehistoric-settlement/human-arrival
@@KrissyDeluxe says we understand Melanesian as pygmy .
REPLY: You're clueless! Why dont you research before you say stupid shit.
For the record - Tuatha Dé Danann didn't/don't want to deprive anyone of their piece of land on this Earth.
But these burials/ monuments/ sacred places should be protected.
+Soular Surfer As-an-Irishman-the-Tuatha Dé Danann-were-fairies-like-the-Leprechauns-they-were-made-up
@pagan warrior says they have found their bones!! The maori hunted and ate them!
REPLY: This is what I mean....No evidence supports this lie...go ahead and post your citation...
@pagan warrior can you sent some information about what you said? maori and egypt. as i have been thinking its the other way around. the video as im thinking all the time are the patupariarehe descendants of lemuria land or not? and isnt it possible that we all spread from there? easter island as navel of the earth
@pagan warrior oh look its the bullshit merchant LOL
@@KrissyDeluxe ask him for citations while your at it :) Like who said it and any actual evidence not based on speculation...thanks :)
Is the New Zealand govt. afraid of the past?
@@tamarutepotangotangomakea5108 where you from?
Yes they are
Pseudo archaeology at its most absurd.
books.scoop.co.nz/2008/11/18/no-to-nazi-pseudo-history-an-open-letter/
An ostrich at its best
"Pseudo__________" is not an argument. This video appears to be an honest inquiry and hypothesis. Whether or not its true is a scientifically answerable question and there should be no restrictions in trying to discover the truth of it.
@@somedude3448 uh actually it is, the video does not explain how these celts reached NZ or how is there no evidence at all of them in NZ, their journey to NZ and their lack of cultural, linguistic and genetic imprint on the Maoris
There are stories of some of Tuhoe having children with the people that were all ready here. Rereke nei(respect to other beliefs, this is just a story there are many and to each their own. This is a story on my marae and our whakapapa, children of the mist. We are descendants of a long line of chiefs and the people that were made of the clay of this land. But all Maori come from royal lines and each marae has a great story. Go and listen to the descendants laugh, song & eat with them. I have been to 8 marae so far and love listening to their stories it is like I am on a voyage through time. It seems to me that maybe, just like my ancestors. The Irish too could see through the vail and in doing so could also astral project their consciousness over distances. If your looking for science to prove this it’s called quantum physics (just a food for thought)
Yes the Irish were connected to the Egyptians.....
And the people made of the clay of the land were possibly aboriginal or an aboriginal mix. The aboriginals made it from Australia to the Amazon in South America. Their DNA exists in 3 tribes there. So its not out of the question they made the much shorter journey to NZ. And some Maori stories say the people here were dark and ugly (no offence just repeating). Some of the incoming Polynesians took the best women for themselves.
@@rebeccabriggs2982 don't need dna to proof it , look at the hair face eyes body structures, feet hunting tools, culture, and traditions,stories, languages, etc.
I've been telling people's for a long time no one believe me, and other stuff I know without no knowledge of science just information on people's traveling documentary to many countries, books,
Just got to look at what I mentioned ☝️, take in what is vision, look at what you see and observe . Don't need to be a professional to know these things,it how a person can search for knowledge for the Truth and to share .
There is alot in the bible, alot of people's do not know about, even this land is mentioned in the bible and the knowledge is from eygpt.
It mentioned the fish that feeds thousand that fish is the Ika o Maui, north island the Waka is the south ,
It also mentioned that this is the fish will be born on this his return but she is the almighty the creator but he shall observe see how the land is treated and all curroption and he can distroy life
People's need to see how much is wasted and polluting corporation system need to wake up because it is there cause off, it why is so many disasters,
He is here on the Waka true facts theses people's from theses names Churches King government Free Mason who ever else they know about many centuries ago and I know how they did manage to find it and why they had to find it and to take claim for his return it is in the bible but they did not know if it was real but having to invade and map the world and not being able to find the fish then the story was need written to be true it is only when a person had notice a pattern on someone and notice what it maybe how these people knew about this pattern there for it maybe the direction is and this could be the land the fish that is mentioned and shit they have no idea he is here
people's walking pass or driving pass talking to him every day and night not knowing he know who he is but if he say to people who he is how many people would believe , strange how many peoples say they Jesus and people's follow
But when he mentioned he god no one listens except few people's have
They know the truth .
Can you elaborate on the clay like people please?
very interesting and yes, the Irish too could travel through the mist, it passes down through generations too for those willing . . .
I heard tuhoe were imbred af so the rest of Maori sent them to the Swamps, they bred with mauriori ( how ever you spell it).
So much i could say on this thread,but i won't...I think Turehu NZ already has enough educated maori people teaching him a thing or two about our maori history,You're learning something new aren't you Turehu NZ?.....What i mean by that is...!! the amount of opposing comments based on your documented video upload......
Whereas European culture can embrace and explore the idea that their origins may be different from what they have been taught, I find it intriguing that Maori culture would struggle to investigate with enthusiasm that perhaps their history is not what we have been taught. To be defiant in attacking this idea of indigeneity is insecurity in my opinion.
"what we have been taught" is that a group of seven waka travelled together from hawaiki to find a land populated by the moriori who were then eaten and enslaved. so on the contrary, we all welcome the truth, which is quite a different story from that.
Kudos,to you for tackling this fascinating subject; to my under there were two indigenous people on the islands before the Polynesian influx,the Small "faerie like "people and the tall red/blog haired (possibly connected to the celts) ;who's remains have been found mummified in China and are also found on North America. Am sure you'll have heard of Dr Barry Fell and the amazing lady - Monica Matumuma? - the suppression of the truth is not unique to New Zealand, but,is repeated all over the world, but,why?! Keep up the good fight am glad to see you've got a doc by Gabbi Plum,am looking forward to seeing if it's one I've already seen,tomorrow. Very best wishes from London, looking forward to more on this enigma which though almost impossible to research or confirm,has been saved and is now in the public domain for those who are interested to push the agenda and do their own hunting into a past,which "someone" does appear to be trying to erase for their own grubby ends. 👌🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟👍👋👊🌟👊✌
no, there's zero evidence of people in nz before the first polynesians.
@@eeeaten you're obviously not interested, so why bother being on this channel,or making the effort to be negative? Wish greatest respect, you've just been brain washed and obviously haven't done any research. Please don't bother to reply; unless you actually have an open mind or some interest.
on the contrary, i am very interested in our real history, which is why i am negative towards fake history and fantasy (no matter how amazing and interesting it would be if it were actually true). if i've been brainwashed it's by the fact that evidence, not wishful thinking, helps us to piece together a true picture of our past - pretty much the opposite of not doing the research. i will always reply to bs posts to point out that they're bs.
Matamua has German ancestry....FFS...
@@ngatibroffessor1840 egyptian , peruvian and polynesian actually is her enthic dna .. as her oral history matches with her dna ...
Your evidence is based on speculation no proof of claim my genealogy as an original of Te Hapu Oneone you will find a community established here before pacific migration having bought kumara or sweet potato and corn which had origins in south america. If you want to know the history ask the original native inhabitants. This is the problem when so called scholars rewrite history to suit themselves. If you go to the Kaimanawa Ranges ask locals about the great wall that was covered by the 1869 Tarawera eruption.Have to disagree utter rubbish no proof of claim..Celtic were living in Aotearoa 5000 years ago doubt it or it would have been known as New Ireland! 1325 is a load of made up bull, maori was the name given by Captain Cook after abducting a Tahitian, the Taupo eruption was in 1889 my nan was a youth Waiharakeke she passed away early 1970s age approx 110yrs old documented in our archived and recorded maori were seafarers it was not discounted marriage to settlers... your pseudo theories hold no water...
Have to disagree with you. Maori have been in NZ since around 1325. The Taupo Eruption was 186 AD and the tephra ash preserved human markings/inscisions on boulders which I have filmed which are identical to those found in Knoweth and New Grange Ireland. This is AT LEAST eleven hundred odd years before Maori set foot in NZ.
Turehu NZ Hey, I was wondering if you could post a link to where Auckland University verifies this?
I've been looking for the past few days and can't find it.
I can tell you with 100% certainty these stones were not placed by ancient europeans. There is not a single shred of physical evidence to support this statement. "Conventional history tells us"
maori were the first to arrive around 1300AD.
You find ancient stones and immediately declare the most unconventional answer for it. So did the europeans place those stones and sail back to europe. No because they didn't know how to navigate the pacific. Polynesians were the first to do this.
yes
awesome vid man. people need to know. lot's of trickery going on.
LOL Where? You think White Celts discovered the Pacific before Polynesians and beat them to New Zealand? Go ahead cite your sources and dont waste my time sending me Skeleton In the Closet links LOL
Lmfao NOT THOSE LINKS!! THEY DON'T COUNT!
@Generic InternetUser YEAH SKELETONS IN THE CLOSET WHERE THE SO CALL EXPERTS NOEL HILLIAM AND MARTIN DOUTRE HAVE NO ACADEMIC GROUNDING IN THE FIELDS THEY CLAIM TO BE EXPERTS IN. HILLIAM WAS EXPOSED AS A BULLSHIT ARTIST WITH HIS BULLSHIT CLAIM OF DISCOVERING A 3000 YEAR ON CELTIC SKULL IN A MAORI BURIAL CAVE. BOTH GOONS HAVE NEO NAZI CONNECTIONS :) www.vice.com/en_nz/article/kb4yjw/a-group-of-far-right-grave-robbers-could-be-digging-up-sacred-maori-sites
Historians and archaeologists dismiss these theories. Michael King wrote in his history of New Zealand, "Despite a plethora of amateur theories about Melanesian, South American, Egyptian, Phoenician and Celtic colonisation of New Zealand, there is not a shred of evidence that the first human settlers were anything other than Polynesian",[10] and Richard Hill, professor of New Zealand Studies at Victoria University of Wellington, said in 2012, "Not one of [the theories] has ever passed any remote academic scrutiny."[8] Hugh Laracy of the University of Auckland called them "wild speculation" that has been "thoroughly disposed of by academic specialists."[9]
Another historian, Vincent O'Malley, and the New Zealand Archaeological Association regard the theories as having a racist or at least a political element, seeking to cast doubt on Waitangi Tribunal claims.[8][11] Scott Hamilton in "No to Nazi Pseudo-history: an Open Letter" further explains objections to the theories of Bolton and Doutré (and the website Ancient Celtic New Zealand).[12]
+Christopher Sibley well of course they don't of any earlier cultures and peoples.,....... why, .... because in the National archives in Wellington has all artefacts and information relating to pre maori peoples restricted until 2063. Check it out yourself.
+Christopher Sibley Suggest you check out this wonderfully researched doco
by an Australian Couple. After you've looked at it then make comment.
ruclips.net/video/2z6PlYiQSTs/видео.html
Actually you are incorrect. The Archaeological reports are open access in Archives New Zealand Auckland and Wellington Branches. They're also available online through Whangarei Libraries Northland Room Digital Collections. I have some of the copies which I obtained via the Maingay Collection which is online and fully accessible. This video like the Plumm production lacks any academic rigour and fails to stand up to scrutiny. The entire thing is based on a theory with the 'evidence' found to fit that theory. DNA testing of the Rapanui elders by Oslo University proved they all had Polynesian descent originating from the Marqesas Islands. Scientists also proved the polynesian people were master navigators and more than capable of traversing the Pacific as far away as Easter Island. Also in the DNA evidence they found the Rapanui had had some contact with people of South America. This "there were people before Maori" is flawed, without any plausible evidence and has no sound basis in fact whatsoever.
Hello Liz, "academic rigour" is an oxymoron especially from our so called academic institutes. If these people say anything controversial they are "down the road". Openness with ideas for discussion can only come from people like us; we are not afraid. Those in Universities are so PC and willing to tow the line for fear of losing their jobs. If you are an academic Archaeologist would you like to help?
Sorry I can't accept your argument. Had you a sound basis with proper evidence instead of conjecture I would take this so called 'Waitaha/Turehu" theory as perhaps plausible. But it isn't. There hasn't been one piece of sound evidence produced. Just a theory without the solid evidence required to prove it is plausible. You're quick to dismiss the Academic community, and I highly doubt anyone there would supposedly lose their jobs. Because somehow simply accepting a theory that cannot produce the supporting evidence isn't how someone academically trained would work. At least not those that are taken seriously James Belich being one of them. Archaeologists go on the evidence they excavate, date and examine to determine the timeline in comparison to those who make the consistent claim that the Waipoua Reports are all supposedly locked up until 2063 because of some supposed government conspiracy. And yet I was able to obtain them via the Whangarei Libraries digital collection. I'm a Heritage Researcher Turehu and like the archaeologists I go on documented evidence which includes reading archaeolgical reports. When you come up with the actual archaeological evidence to prove your theory then maybe you'll get taken seriously. Let me know when you do.
A bit of support for the "Out of Australia theory" as opposed to the "out of Africa theory"
every legit scientist will say all australians ultimately came from africa.
"Legit scientist will say"
The subverted western school system (prussian factory model) suuuucks lol
How would yous kno tht those Land makes of Rocks had came from Ireland or Your Country you talking about..lol Soo why arent they still here the Maoriz Rowed there Wakaz from Hawaiki too find there New Land Ko Aotearoa Now Yous are saying how did the Rocks get there lol..Get a Life Soon u gonna say how did the Egyptians..Build an Makes there Pyramids an Where did they get there Rocks from aye..Goes Bks too England because thts Where You English White pplz all comes from.. Unless Onn tht Rite Yous came on Captain Crocks Ship from England an he dropped off all the Crimmals off I'm Australia an NZ Who all Invaded all the Black Race Yous Called them all an Stole there lands an Killed an Rapped there Woman an Shipped there Children bks too England an Used them as Slaves..the Indigenous pplz were already in Australia.. Wen the Maoriz came thru..an Discovered NZ.. Indigenous pplz an they are the Dream Times of Soo many Tribes tht Discovered Australia.. The History Books already States it was the Maoriz tht Discovered Aotearoa..Ask Your Queen Elizabeth she sed the Maori..are Rated nubrr 1 in the World for English Language..now I wonder why she stated tht in her England History Books lol Well thts Why NZ p
thts the Sent her Eldest Children too Study English in NZ University Schools lol Soo the Maoriz could teach them Our too Speak Proper English Words lol She didnt have enough Confidence too let her Children Learn English in her own Country aye You pomys Dont kno the 1st thing about talking Proper English lol thts why pplz comes too NZ too learn how too Speak proper English aye I Can believe You pakeha are trying too say Other pplz were in NZ before NZ God gave all Diff Cultures too lives in own Countrys an Speak there langages aye Why do Yous think Yous can steal Over pplz treasures an Gold Yous ate Curpt an Greedy tht why You pakeha Govts terrible aye Get a life Cos God Will Punish Yous all..xx
@@eeeaten Oo
I'm not a racist in any way. I dont really care if NZ is completely given to Maori. They are generous people. I'm 1/8 Maori. I like truth, and history is like a gig saw puzzle. The accepted story of 7 great wakas arriving in NZ would suggest a unified arrival. As we all know Maori are not unified and were very brutal on each other. This suggests arrivals came from different peoples, at different times. Many Polynesian people have the birthmark on their behind. This originates from Genghis Khan , down on through Asia, and many Asian people have this spot on their behinds. Also, some early arrivals to NZ came via Iran thru Peru, Easter island (you tube ancient NZ history, completely non racist, many Maori stories) AND SOME from the more traditional route, Polynesia. Also many hundreds of ships left Europe and Asia in 14/15 hundreds. Only half returned home and were accounted for. It is possible many roamed the oceans and picked up women and landed in NZ. Remains of Spanish galleons have been found in the Kaipara harbour. So lets work it all out. Nothing to be scared of surly ?
Absolutely Mark, I find archaeology and the movement of people fascinating and the Maori who call this a racist subject must be fearful or ignorant. Wouldn't it be great to have a time machine eh?
@@turehunz342
haha, yep a time machine would be fantastic. Imagine seeing the first people landing in NZ.
Polynesians were settling NZ around the same time as Gengis was alive
Disappointed in the so called research, Its seems more speculation, that Celtic origins are more plausible than Easter Island or Myans or Incas or a whole world of closer related cultures but you chose Ireland? I was looking forward to a good story or be educated but let down. Is there no one else in the world to support your view?
Keileen Lucre g
Keileen Lucre he does speculate but DNA testing has been carried out and found skeletons pre dating moari- shared the same DNA as people living in Wales 3000 years ago, that is a fact however when people post videos on you tube without entire proof of what there saying it makes a mockery of it all which is a shame
Keileen Lucre although it has been proven also that people of Egyptian, Peruvian etc decent were also in nz pre dating moari arrival, there are moari today who share there DNA a lot of them can be seen in rotorua with blonde or red hair and some with green eyes etc different sites offer better info/facts
'He does speculate but DNA testing has been carried out and found skeletons pre-dating Maori shared the same DNA as people living in Wales 3,000 years ago'. Would you care to give us your source for this statement?
Ngamoko Nikora hi watching the nz documentary skeletons in the closet is a good place to start
Moriori is another Maori Tribe!!!!
Yep, they sailed out from the Canterbury region about 300 years after Maori arrived. They then developed their own culture and customs due to the isolation and less-friendly environment of the Chathams
Even so, they were genocided brutally,
MAORI have always said they are the First to POPULATE Aotearoa, they never said they were the first to visit Aotearoa, there are stories from Nga Puhi of shipwrecked spanish sailors and how they lived together, stories of Ngati Kahungunu living with norse european left behind and living together
First to visit or first to populate New Zealand is the same in my book. Would be nice for these oral stories of Maori to be published and taught as part of NZ history.
@@turehunz342 are we keeping up with curriculum? Pretty sure that's the go in the near future
Which is why Maori are not indigenous to this land
@@louisebracknell2451WE HAVE A KEYBOARD WARRIOR 🤣🙃😂 AND YOU'RE PROBABLY A RACIST TOO AYE LOUISE BRACKNELL
@@louisebracknell2451 : Indigenous enough. They have been there for 500years prior to any other settlers 🤔
There is plenty of speculation of very advanced groups of people worldwide who lived well before recorded history .Look at Gobleteki apparently 12000years old.The world had been travelled for much longer than our memory or written history.
there's no evidence of humans in nz until 1250AD.
Don’t know why people think there would only have been one or two waves of settlers on New Zealand. In the Caribbean where I am from there are the same indentations on stones referred to as work holes. Very similar spirals carved into the stones and caves, made by a people whose name has long been lost, they predate the Kalinago (Caribs) and the Arawaks. Similar markings, I realized, are found in the Canary Islands on the other side of the Atlantic. I must say though don’t limit yourself in thinking the migration happened OUT of pre Celtic Europe it could have happened IN to pre Celtic Europe.
Pre-celtic europe actually got around. A lot.
They're called scythians, check it out very cool!
ruclips.net/p/PLru9zi8j7G3Nsz03pkBzFdv_1tRxdCMJo
South Americans have a connection to eastern polynesians for example 'te arawa' in Aotearoa 'te arava' in the Tuamotus also known as Havaiki and 'ta arawak' a tribe in South America.
Love this comment!!
Druids (High ranked Celtics) were Indo-European who built stone henge and other ancient structures in old Britton....Many Maori terms derived from Indo-European language...and Indo-European language derived from Sanskrit.
The ancient stone structures in NZ are evident that Vedic culture were here long ago.. (Evidence in the Epic of Ramayana)
Druid astrologers used a system based on twenty-seven lunar mansions, called Nakshatras in Vedic Sanskrit.
Sanskrit derived from Indo-European, actually (Indo-European
how can you be tangata whenua if you sailed here on a waka?
they became indigenous through right of occupation and residence....what a dumb fucking question...I doubt your Maori...more like some brown facing Martin Doutre shit bag LOL
@@ngatibroffessor1840 A shit answer to an honest question.
@mb1968nz What a brilliant representative of your race, you are. Maybe you should look at increasing your comprehension of the spoken language: according to your own definition, squatters are also indigenous, or is time a necessary component under your abstract usage of the word? If so, please point me to any accepted dictionary definition, of the word. Native Africans & Americans, Asians, Eskimos are all examples of an indigenous people. Just because the Maori didn't originate in a country, doesn't belittle the amazing achievements & courage of their emigration in times gone by. It can only increase it, if you thought about it.
@@ngatibroffessor1840 WHOA!!!! Random, violent ad-hominin attacks much???? This is a public forum, read by people of all ages. Please try to maintain a decent level of decorum and civility: people might think you're a Trump supporter if you swear at and attack people like this.... ok jokes aside: if you wish to refute someone, its best to use FACTS, not attacks.
@@ngatibroffessor1840 Obviously YOU are the snowflake here. You're obviously upset as HECK about something, and taking out your frustration on random RUclips commenters. Please just chill, and start engaging in rational, fact-based dialogue instead of profanity and rants.
Why couldn't Maori or their predecessors have made these ? Spirals were inscribed by many cultures..not just Celts! Where is the evidence of Celts sailing to NZ in those days?
Had the maoris discovered the wheel before the Europeans arrived in New Zealand?
What is the proof of the first stone showed being used as a solar compass? The measurements cited, are only contextless measurements. The Grinding holes are a ubiquitous world-wide (people grind things). The rock carvings have similar counterparts throughout Polynesia. The claims made by this group are anecdotal, without actual age dating, actual expert comparisons and sourcing, etc. The purpose of claims like in this group is to discredit Maori people, because of feelings of being disenfranchised. Feelings that pale in comparison to the long term treatment and struggle of indigenous people.
You have no idea. There are indeed similar findings around the world, but what is less known are the datings found, the dna of skeletal remnants, the carvings and paintings of the "ruling classes", and the symbols found.
The swastika, a 12,000+ year old european scythian symbol.
Never been to New Zealand but as a fellow Austronesian, I just want to say Aotearoa belongs to Maori people!
Hahaha its so funny u havent a clue of who you are.. you myth
thanks chap. come visit.
The Eastern Polynesians who became Maori built the Moai on Easter Island.
White folks love making videos about how standing stones (not even carved in this case) are somehow evidence of European settlement.
ruclips.net/video/cjvjLji5VQ4/видео.htmlsi=0nQFN4NqyHiQMK7S note the Rapanui Easter Island Elder in this video speaking the same language as the Maori documentor (each in their own lands dialects but the same language. More importantly note the Easter Island Elder explaining that the Ancestors of Maori are the same as the Ancestors of Rapanui.
When the same people went to Rapanui Easter Island they built and transported mega stone. When these same peoples sailed to Aotearoa they carved in the abundant material wood. When the same peoples went to the Chatham Islands they carved in wood and stone.
RUclips is full of videos by people looking for evidence that undermines indigenous explorers the world over.
But yeah show some small standing stones and call them Celtic if it floats your boat.
im not going into too much detail here,but,I think Newzeland is an awesome country.
Kinda sucks that our history is covered up tho lol
frickn ay. i've been there many many times. most new zealanders now seem to live here in australia. they don't know.
@@jesusislukeskywalker4294 its not as great as you think, corruption has permeated the world through centralized power structures.
@@TheRealSamPreece I think there's a hidden agenda to remove Maori as the tangata whenua to NZ somewhere around 2063.
@@alefosioveatupu8707 that sounds about right; if the public hasnt figured out the reality of their system by then, it will be too late anyway.
Just another fairy tale from folk that thought the earth was flat since Aristotle prior to arriving in Aotearoa.
A very interesting watch provoking much thought and debate, thank you!
This is implausible b/s.
John, at 5:25 you say information regarding these archaeological sites has been "suppressed" by the government. If you look carefully at the order it uses the word "restricted". Suppressed and restricted have two different meanings. Suppressed means, 'to not allow people to know about or see something'. Restricted means, 'limited to persons authorized to use information, documents etc'. If you read the order it reads as follows; 'Prior consultation requires approval of the Te Raroa-Waipoua Archaeological Advisory Committee or other subsequent Te Raroa authority'. The information hasn't been suppressed as you assert, only restricted. In fact the document that you purport to be a suppression order is in fact an "Agreement for the Transfer of Archives'. In this case from the Dept. of Conservation to the Te Raroa-Waipoua Archaeological Advisory Committee. So, please stop misrepresenting the facts to suit your twisted political agenda.
Ngamoko Nikora Supressed or Restricted ends up the same as far as "In the public interest" is concerned. Gary Cook challenged this restriction on Waipoua forest and got a partial easement which were archaeological notes describing mounds of rocks, rock circle, wall of rocks etc. However the carbon dating figures which is the most important information has purposely been withheld/suppressed/restricted from public scrutiny until 2063.
Turehu NZ This is not the same Gary Cook who co-authored with Max Hill and Noel Hilliam, "To the ends of the Earth" is it? Professor Paul Moon, of Auckland AUT University, has been quoted as saying that the book's authors lack credibility and questions their research methodologies. Who carried out the radiocarbon dating of the artifacts at Waipoua forest? Where is the suppression order supposedly suppressing the carbon dating record until 2063? As I said earlier the document you purport to be a suppression order is in fact an "Agreement for the Transfer of Archives" it says so on this video at 5:23. Restricted yes, suppressed/withheld no.
@@ngamo52Nick ok so y is it restricted ?genuine question
Suppression by restriction, if asked will all information be given freely?
The people giving access will have their own agenda.
@@hamish1309 and the agenda is if it doesn't belong to you then you don't get it...simple. I mean seriously you fellas don't know shirt about our history if anything I've seen on RUclips is to go by
why did you stop making videos? they are really good
Thank you. Have a look at my one on another mystery in NZ ruclips.net/video/vP3hZrbVdd8/видео.html
I think everyone should read this email. Its by a former NZ judge and Law Lecturer, and whether they like it or not all families should read it and be aware of what’s is happening
In June 2022, Anthony Willy, former Judge and Law Lecturer, said
“The catch cry ‘democracy does not work for Maori’ has become the mantra for the destruction of democracy.
Quite simply we are witnessing a coup designed to dismantle our democracy and the Rule of Law and replace it with the worst form of tribalism coupled with the greed of those who want what they have not earned.”
The rollout of the Government’s He Puapua plan to establish Maori sovereignty by 2040 is proceeding at breathtaking speed.
We are living in revolutionary times. It is a coup, by a small number of iwi elite who have their hands on the levers of power thanks to our Prime Minister’s willingness to sacrifice New Zealand democracy for totalitarian tribal rule.
Virtually every facet of our society is now subjected to their influence with their latest ‘conquest’, the legal system, by replacing Western Common law that has evolved over hundreds of years with Maori tribal practices.
Replacing democracy with tribal rule is so extreme, that Jacinda Ardern knew she would lose the 2020 General Election if her plan became known. As a result, she kept He Puapua hidden from her New Zealand First coalition partner - and from the public - until after she had secured the power to govern alone.
None of the significant changes, which are undermining democracy and our Kiwi way of life that are being introduced through He Puapua, have received a mandate from the public.
The restructuring of health, polytechnics, our legal system, and water services are all illegitimate policy changes designed to pass control to the tribal elite. None have public approval.
In this climate of division created by Jacinda Ardern, key institutions are being corrupted from their original purpose of serving all New Zealanders as equals, to prioritising and privileging those of Maori descent. Under her leadership, democracy is being replaced by apartheid.
Jacinda Ardern is not doing this alone. Supporting her are the powerful members of Labour’s 15-strong Maori Caucus.
Recently Willie Jackson addressed a group of 5000 at a big marae. He shook his fist in the air and stated”When we have control of the water we have total control of Aotearoa” They are well on the way to doing just this while all the confused pakeha are looking on bemused!
He Puapua is dangerous, it spells the end of one law for all, and of DEMOCRACY, He Puapua must go.
New Zealand, we cannot remain silent, we must voice & demonstrate our opposition to He Puapua now!.
Maori people, for thousands of years lived their lives in harmony with nature in these lands. Just two hundred years ago these lands truly were paradise. Then along came democracy with its unjust schemes, corrupting all that was good. And paradise was no more but 'democracy' still reigns.
So don't despair when democracy doesn't look at you the way youre accustomed to. That's democracy!!
Johar land is our life and blood without forest we cannot survibe. Johar indigenous people.
TE PAPA HAS A ROOM, WITH EVIDENCE OF PRE CIVILIZATIONS BEFORE THE NATIVES SHOWED UP
Bullshit...go ahead...give the reference or citation...lets follow the bullshit...post it LOL
@@tracydelieu2857 Te Papa is a museum in Nz.
Where I didn't see that it doesn't matter anyway we were here way before you
Bro you guys are homeless outcasts from England
@@munzotheawesome1522 yeah trying to act like they colonised us when they were really running away from the great stink of shithole england. Look it up brotha the great stink england
No indication to any evidence productivity amongst acheologist there are plenty of cultural origin explanation in the 18th century historical accounts of iwi and colonists with tonnes more evidence. More speculation than evidence though I want to believe thoroughly dissapointed. Today Polynesians still stand as the first people.
The commentator is ignorant about the distribution of megalithic stones. They are not only found in Britain, Ireland and France, but elsewhere in Europe, Middle East, South Asia, Korea and in South America.
and not new zealand...
Thank you for pointing this out. Perhaps you could enlighten me by giving me the locations of these other megalithic stone circles.
maori not only carved wood but they carved stone and bone as well do more research my friend. just a little tip try searching out side of uncle google and your so called library. best bet is to talk to the locals and everyone already knows about this vikings theory your not the first one who has been down this track lol
These 'ancient artefacts' were actually made at Weta Workshop in Wellington for the LOTR movies.
Some fucking rocks? That's your evidence?!
They are red heads with white skin my sister married a moriori man
European by any other name
there have been stories of giants, with red hair in the chinese pyramids
and american mounds, also up until recently still living according to recent raids on tribes only a few hundred years ago
Have you guys seen Asha Logos' channel????
ruclips.net/p/PLru9zi8j7G3Nsz03pkBzFdv_1tRxdCMJo
Ancient islanders have light skin who looks caucasian among them and red haired too. They bear the name of their clans describing just that, they're tall and light skin. This Moriori group of people speaks a Micronesian dialect if those documentaries are factual but it appears there's a lot of Polynesian influence on their language as well. Many of their words only used in Micronesia instead of Polynesia. I'm not sure about how Celtics came to be but stone settings like this one in the Video is pretty common in Tahiti, Yap, Guam and some of the islands. Perhaps the Celtics were one and the same as the islanders ancestors origin but the whole blue eye thingy and light skin was a much later results of intermarriage from the European side after the real indigenous group migrating away? I noticed the islanders have similarities with the celtics and the Norse too. Possible that all the similarities are only ancient sharing of information and cultural influences but has nothing to do with a particular group trying to claim ownership or origin of something.
@Wenny Jester I haven’t seen him or her for over 5 years so 🤔 no idea !
And before them were an Aboriginal people whose toto runs through my veins... Mauri ora
Ordered SUPPRESSED until 2063 (!?) Holy ____ . They're kooks !
There's good doco on atm called Origins, which traces the path of human movement in the pacific. When NZ was discovered, there was a lot of movement to and from NZ, back to the islands. Standing stones is part of Polynesian culture also.
Seeing a slight cavity in a rock and claiming it is strong evidence of a link with a culture on the other side of the earth is unconvincing to say the least.
@@wodenravens you are so wrong on this one
@L Dikx lol you can think that boo
@L Dikx lol my family is from there. But keep thinking otherwise "lad"
@L Dikx oh yeah cause that's the country the video is talking about lol you dumb ass
What right have the suits got to suppress this stuff. They are working for us and I say open up for a dig and let's find out about our past.
Why is it suppressed ?
Why the hell is it on private property ?
Nah the queen and Pope and British Spanish pirates churches Invade it and then sold it and then lease it and people's believe they own it they own the name New Zealand but not the earth they own the name of people's name's but not the land they own people's houses homes but not the earth and land, people only buy paper not the property ,corporation lies it called salvage and slaved the land's
Land meaning people,
law is a vessel
Search the truth about birthcerticate universal income cestui qui vie what is law salvage court banks government politician popes kings queens schools find the truth
One world order. one world religion one white man system. All for gold greed power manupilate brain wash control revenue and tax thieving people's benefits, culture, traditions,
Not too sure why people are so set in stone with their beliefs about history...As things do get discovered throughout time, the goalposts inevitably do get moved...history does change. As everyone knows we are a young country, we are forever evolving, learning and its bound to change. England itself has as you all know, a huge history, yet the more study and archeological digs that go on around the Roman sites, Medieval sites and the Henges etc, they are learning that their history is not what they first thought it to be...It in itself is still changing and evolving as history always will. We need to be more open-minded about this, nothing is set in stone, not even the 'facts' in the Bible, but that's another story for another day!
We will allways be set in our beliefs its what made us today 🙄
Growing up in New Zealand, I never heard anything about this. However, it is entirely plausible that such a fertile and habitable land would have been lived in prior to 1,000 years ago.
It wasn’t
Not the only evidence but quite compelling, tall redhead people coastal Raglan that the local Maori were at war with ,etc
@@trevorslater2746 Kaimanawa "wall" is an example of how hidden NZ history is in plain sight. Shamefully foolishness really.
@@stephenhoward7454 hidden so well that trained geologists are convinced the wall is a natural feature huh
@@eeeaten No eeeaten. The structure is made of Ryolite, quarried from a location some 16 kms away. DOC is with you in the lies. Don't be scared of the Truth, why live a lie? Have you been there? Amazing site, covered by Taupo eruption, and even a lot older.
What a unique discovery. So many unrelated facts can be configured to create new facts. Must be a Trump supporter.
I doubt if Mr Trump , Mr Biden , Mr Bush etc would even know where NZ is!
Dear Ross Baker Hi I need to talk with archeologist as I am the true Queen descendant of the stone people long before the mori ori if u would like to discuss than we can produce evidence to the claim that dates back to 2,000 years ago and more. There are seven structures not all have been found still to be discovered. And only my people know exactly where they are... My people are the Ngariki Kaiputahi people a very humble people. If you would like to discuss further than please contact me via email first. Regards,Marie5 days ago•
Interesting. I'm maori but my last name is of clan maclean in Scotland.
I'm maori my last name is martin from Ireland
McKelvey for me from Ireland. Nga Manuhiakia, my hapu.
👁 I'm ngapuhi my grandad a martin from Ireland his great great grandfather fighted beside Cameron clan of Scotland
Interesting. I am of Swedish, Spanish and British ancestry. Does that make me more of a mongrel than you?
So Maori must have built stone hedge in Britain not the so-called Druids. Then left to sale around the world. In the 1980s There were items in the NZ herald asking what does tangata whenua (people of the land ) means. And also that Kawanatanga(pigeon for Governor) means Sovereignty. I can even remember reading one item in relation to the Treaty of Waitangi, for clarification of what the English word Partnership means. In the 1990sor early 2000s I read in the herald that some Pakeha (Maoris name for Whiteman, ) maori had other names for the Red Yellow or Black man, back to the ,some pakeha asking where their Taurangawaiwai ( ancestors home land ) is. I can understand the insecurity of pakeha here in Aotearoa in having to question there own identity hear in Polynesia. But to have the colonists arrogance of determining who the first people of our beautiful land on top of the world is like believing in Myth of King Arthur and the Knights of the round table. Even the term Knights was stolen from Arabian Knights. If want to use Maori ie Turehu there’s a name for insecure colonist white men ie Tauiwi. The opposite to indigenous.
😂😂😂
Ungrateful primitive
I am glad that I am living long enough to see these things uncovered. I am still amazed by the vitrified forts that I saw when I went out to some smaller islands on the West Coast of Scotland. Now there is a puzzle. These stone sites in New Zealand are fascinating.
Is there any irrational nonsense you don’t believe?
@@eeeaten You"re making it obvious truth is being discussed my friend.
@@ShmickImages incoherent
Whatever the origins are of these artifacts, I don't believe these archeologists and people working for the government should have the right to bury things found about NZ's past.
It's all about being politically correct, like a lot of other things now days.
Interesting. I recently heard of people called the Menehune coming here from Hawaii a long time ago, They were of small stature and were stone workers. A place called the Menehune Fishpond on Kauai has intricately cut and placed stonework.
That could explain the kaimanua wall
I lived on Kauai before moving to NZ and I really feel this statment.
Not fairy's but Ancestors in hiding because they do not want to be ate or enslaved.
@@red2775 Well yes stone structures dating back 2000 BC were found in Java...
@@alexzago6930 Enslaved by whom? And how did you come to the conclusion they were "hiding"?
It seems hes just selected any stone or pattern and tried to fit it into a theory. Think I might go outside and find a rock and say some alien put it there, and when you look at it from the right angle, you could see it lines up with Mars. Damn, Im a qualified archaeologist and astronomer in 5 seconds.
Not just find a rock, but a set of MASSIVE rocks that each have use for telling time. Now go, find those rocks. I'll not hold my breath.
This is the stupidest thing I've read on the Internet in a while.
Qualified dumbarse
So-which-part-of-Ireland-did-the-original-Kiwis-originated-from?-Munster?-Limerick?or-was-it-Waterford?-psml-what-fucking-shit
How do i find out where these places are so as i can go and explore them and also the relevant information about the sites
Get us a campervan I'll take you lol
In a nutshell the Maori were not the first people here by thousands of years. So they only have the same rights as other New Zealanders that arrived here. Waitangi tribunal needs to be thrown out, their a non entity and don’t belong in a multicultural modern society.
only it's 100% made up. science shows the first people of new zealand were the eastern Polynesian ancestors of maori, who began arriving from around 1250AD.
Keep lying to yourself. These are the indigenous people and they lived there before their land was occupied by Europeans
How old is the oldest graveyard or human skeleton ever found or dug up in New Zealand?
I am not an Archaeologist but wouldn't these, along with tools or poetry etc, be the main indicators of past civilization? It seems hard to believe a society could exist without leaving these sort of traces.
i think Maori are encouraged to desecrate their remains or at least used to
@@hannah.r6613 bit hard to do if you dont know wea they are.taputapuatea..oldest dated marae/artifacts.dating exactly when we know of..as we arrived to assimilate with the first generation of kupe shortly after.why is thea no remains of any others? to this day after building cities...towns....mining....etc no remains of artifacts of any others prior to maori are found..assimilation definately but still nothing dating before ancient maoris known arrival.ppl forget kupe began the population..much later a fleet of maori made the voyage to assimilate with them.not completely dismissing these storys just yet.regards to features....many maori come from a mixture of polynesians creating many differences in physical features.i believe maori are a blend of asian and soutth american giving them a more unique culture compared to other polynesians who seem to be either more of east influence and more of west.maori seem to be a blend in my opinion
Dn Dvs ,
any ancient remains discovered in NZ must be returned to local Iwi (Maori)
Watch under the carpet nz ' there you will see skeletons dated 3500 years old
I would like TurehuNZ to either remove this video from RUclips, or at the very least change its title. TurehuNZ has not presented any credible evidence of pre-non Maori settlement of New Zealand on this video, or anywhere else, for the reasons stated in my earlier posts. They are his views and are not compelling or credible evidence so the title to this video is both misleading and insulting to the Maori people. And lastly, who at the University of Auckland has given official recognition for any of the views presented in this video?
Ngamoko Nikora This video presents factual hard evidence of pre Maori occupation. No way could a primitive cannibal race have any concept of mathematical calculation with the astronomical calendars. To those Maori who are offended; tough. It is a free speech world on You Tube. "Maoriwithattitude" on this blog is an aware person who mentions how Maori elders distort their pre Maori history by talking about the fairy people in a way to make the stories more of a myth to cover up the reality of the Turehu. As a pakeha I am insulted by you playing the victim all the time. The world does NOT owe you a living. Your insecurities over this subject is pathetic. I challenge all Maori who read this to do some digging for the truth; pester your elders. Alot of them are good people and may open up. Your aggression and insecurities are what will always hold your culture back. Be open, be helpful towards the quest for truth.
Turehu NZ Firstly, this video does not present hard evidence of pre-Maori occupation. Let's look at the stones as shown do you have any geological/archaeological opinions from established academic experts in this field supporting your view? I think not. For all we know the stones mentioned could have been placed there as a result of volcanic activity, or other natural occurrences. As to the markings on the stones they could have been the result of some 'prankster' in recent times chiseling them out with a hammer and chisel. I asked you earlier, who at the University of Auckland has given official recognition for the views presented here? You have not responded, which can only be interpreted as no one at the University of Auckland agrees with you. Free speech is one thing, but to present opinion as fact without hard evidence in an attempt to displace Maori as the indigenous people of New Zealand is an insult. As a child my father would often talk to me about the Turehu and would show me where they would appear. They were from the underworld, supernatural beings like the leprechaun from Ireland. Secondly, you have no evidence of pre-Maori occupation of New Zealand for the following reasons;(1) any large scale settlement would likely be accompanied by the destruction of a considerable amount of forest by fires, and scientists can discover the date at which this sort of destruction began by testing pollen spores preserved in the sediment of lakes. Tests do not indicate any man-made destruction of the forests began until less than 1,000 years ago, so your claims of a mass settlement of pre-non Maori Celtic people occurring 4,500 years ago looks rather unlikely. (2) If large numbers of Caucasian people lived in New Zealand thousands of years ago, then we ought to be finding their skeletons, as well as burial items which reflect a non-Polynesian material culture. But the oldest skeletons and burial items that have been found are distinctly Polynesian, and are less than 1,000 years old. (3) The strongest evidence against your claim of ancient non-Maori settlement comes from DNA testing. You have asserted in articles published that the ancestors of the Maori slaughtered the male Celts who had settled in New Zealand and then raped their women, and the present Maori therefore have some of the blood of the ancient Celts. In recent years scholars have run a series of DNA tests on Maori, in an effort to trace their ancestry. These tests confirm that Maori are a Polynesian people, and that Polynesians have their origins in coastal Asia thousands of years ago. In 2005 a team from the University of Victoria, Wellington was able to establish an ancient connection between Maori and one of the indigenous peoples of Taiwan, both groups have the same rare gene marker for coping with alcohol. If Maori really were part-Celtic, then the connection would show up in DNA tests. It doesn't. Finally, John I would therefore challenge you to accept the fact based on overwhelming evidence by academic specialists that Maori are the real indigenous people of New Zealand.
Ngamoko Nikora "Real" Academics and archaeologists are the main problem in covering up evidence. They fear for their jobs if they step out of line and go against what the UN has foisted on our Government. Look at the Celtic symbolism that adorns Maori head gear and around the waist. The rat bones found under the Taupo ash precede Maori by 1100 years. Who brought the rat to NZ? The cave near Taupo which was exposed by torrential rain revealed a family of European skeletons huddled together to hide from the Taupo eruption of 186AD, the adults had copper braclets around their wrists. Why don't you do your own research? You are fortunate in being able to approach Kaumatua and the keepers of history and quietly interview them. Even video the interview!
Turehu NZ 'Real academics and archaeologists are the main problem in covering up evidence'. OMG John, you're a conspiracy theorist par excellence. When experts debunk your theories you resort to the old covering up the evidence argument. As to the Pacific rat(Kiore) the latest radiocarbon dating puts the date of arrival of the Kiore at around 1250AD. No rat bones have been found beneath the Taupo ash of 232AD. Six dates on rat bones found in South Island cave sites, carried out by two different laboratories, all came out at 1250AD or more recent. As to the Taupo ash of 232AD and Kaharoa ash of 1314AD there has been no discovery of human settlement beneath the two ash layers. How do you know that the skeletal remains found in a Taupo cave date back to the period of the Taupo ash? Who carried out the radiocarbon dating on these skeletons? And how do you know that the said skeletal remains are European? Who carried out the DNA testing? Where is your proof John?
Ngamoko Nikora You show me proof of the Kiore Rat carbon dating of 1250 AD!
I was driving and noticed a Kiwi cabbage tree which isn't that interesting untill you realize that you are in Ireland. I stopped and had a look and it was definitely your stock standard NZ cabbage tree. Kind of understandable if it was in someone garden but it was in a paddock much like you see on Kiwi farms. It was a very mature tree, how did it get there and grow in that spot? Maybe there is a population of NZ cabbage trees and maybe other NZ plants in Ireland that have been there for thousands of years which could go a long way to creating an historic link showing historic travel between the two countries. I have not seen any others anywhere else in the world despite having traveled extensively. I think I can kind of remember the location.
Interesting. My understanding was the cabbage tree was brought over pre Maori from South America. I wonder then if the late Neolithic Irish who we believe settled in NZ, returned to Ireland hence taking that plant with them?
@@turehunz342 That would be a logical explanation.
@@turehunz342 definitely not. cabbage trees are native to the western pacific, polynesia and nz. they have been taken to england/ireland since european arrival and are fairly popular there, known as the torquay or torbay palm. they were first grown in the UK in the early nineteenth century. there were no pre-maori from south america in nz. there is no evidence for anything like that. stop making stuff up.
@@turehunz342 what sort of fantasy is this, neolithic irish doing return voyages now
Even the Maori tell of Red Haired 'Mist people / Fairies'. These people were not Celts but the Tuatha Dé Danann.
Or they could have been maori albinos.
Most maori know the history we don't need to hear from others really to be honest and Maori were approx 17,000 years way before dates told in this video, plus if truth be know as for the immagrants like the English they came a lot later, they have no real claim to New Zealand as the Spanish landed here 500 years ago. But the English don't want to acknowledge loosing face and grounding.
@elbowwhatulookingat how about about Samoa ? I'm from Italy and I hear stories about it beautiful island
thats right it's called oral history which is that when Maori's arrived in New Zealand there were tall whites living there and they killed them and ate them and used their bones as fertiliser. So yeah Maoris invaded New Zealand
U got proof of tht one nation those white tall people were called patupaiarehe
@@Michelle-jf8fz says there were tall whites living there and they killed them and ate them and used their bones as fertiliser.
REPLY: I recognize Martin Doutre Bullshit when I smell it LOL Go ahead and provide the source to that claim...Post the support documents and links supporting that claim...more racist bullshit LOL thespinoff.co.nz/society/22-05-2017/the-white-tangata-whenua-and-other-bullshit-from-the-one-new-zealand-crew/
@@JohnDoe-tc5bc says white tall people were called patupaiarehe
REPLY: Nonsense...Martin Doutre claim...All Maori know that Patupaiarehe are supernatural mythical beings.
Oh, they came from Ireland eh ? And So the white superior race continue their dominance over the world. Tarzan was white and so was jesus, I also heard the egyptians were too !!!
mate the celts weren't white, they were of west european descent, from places like germania or the mederetain, and yes Jesus was a jew, he could have been black as were some egyptians and arab tribes
I was being a little sarcastic but there is more information now that jesus, Egyptians were black and the whites keep changing things around to their liking. I don't care really who came first or last, as long as we put all the pieces together the right way. !
there were no Arabs during Jesus's time, that came much later, Jesus was a Galilean and born king of the Jews.
Dont be a idiot the Celts were white FFS...LOL
+ Christopher Burnham,
I think you meant east. 'they were of east of east European descent. West of Ireland is the Atlantic Ocean.
nice bro way to keep colonization going. this is racist crap that pakeha have always done to support their stealing of our land.. this whole video is cap.. maori were here 1st moriori are maori. we are the ppl of maui. facts.
Talk to your elders about the patupaiarehe and the turehu folk. In the early 1800s these Maori elders were quite open about this to the early missionaries.
@@johndevere1846 - there are also hundreds of accounts of patupaiarehe and urukehu Maori in the early settler papers archived online (all written 100+ years ago) and many accounts quoted directly from Maori elders as well. The early Europeans in _any_ account I have ever found never say anything like ''this proves we were here first'' - they're just as baffled as to the origins of the first people as the Maori elders are. It was just a commonly accepted fact in those days by both Maori and Europeans that someone else was here first, but they never use that to dispute land ownership or anything.
I wish people wouldn't automatically dismiss this as r@cism as so many keep doing - it's about wanting to understand the ancient history of this country, to learn about the history of the peoples who have lived here. I have both European and Maori ancestry (te Atiawa Iwi) and I just wish the possible ancient history could be further investigated instead of being instantly dismissed and outright denied by so many :c
@@Vexarax That would be nice if everyone could get enthused about NZ’s ancient history. It is what it is, and nothing should change it.
@@Vexarax the first people of new zealand are maori. the first arrivals were their eastern polynesian ancestors, and there were no people here before them. there are of course stories of people already here, those stories have a simple explanation - that maori did not all arrive together or from the same island origin, but over decades or perhaps centuries. obviously the later arrivals found people already here, but those people were also eastern polynesian in origin. hohepa is correct, this video is racist nonsense. the appearance of doutre in the video should be the most obvious clue.
@@eeeaten I don't want to dismiss Māori or their oral traditions, that's where I come from. My own tipuna spoke extensively of previous peoples, and my 7x great grandfather was Urukehu, born prior to any European contact. So I don't dismiss anything automatically for no reason - I sort of think that would be racist in a way? I'd rather honour the oral traditions of my own ancestors to the best of my abilities which becomes so difficult when any time one tries to look deeper into these stories the Māori themselves (the ones who held these beliefs and told these stories) are dismissed.. Like "oh what could they know? Only Pakeha can tell them about their past" :/
Sometimes I wonder if both the blind denial and the blind belief are rooted in some kind of racism. It's truly disheartening.
Wow so I was totally open to the whole idea and thought the video touched on some really great points till i read some of the shocking comments. If you want to be taken seriously, and avoid condemnation from the academic community, start with providing facts, stats and evidence for your argument, rather than relying on the good ol' 'them Maaaaari ate em all'.
Why on earth would anyone appeal to the priests of academia when they can discern evidence with their own eyes? Do you appeal to academics to determine whether you've crapped your pants?
Actually the moriori lived on the Chatham island
If anyone wants to know why "until 1963", it's because by then the protocols will have been carried out through (in part) the kalergi plan, we'll (edom) be virtually eliminated and it won't matter whether anyone knows the truth. Good times ahead!
Whether this is correct or not, doesn't have any bearing on NZ today, and it doesn't get away from the fact that the Treaty of Waitangi was signed by Maori & the Crown as our countries founding document for rights of Maori within the colonisation of NZ and nothing will ever change that!
You are absolutely correct that this does not have any bearing on the TOW. This is a discussion on a civilisation inhabiting NZ long before Maori arrived as immigrants (like all of us).
@@johndevere1846it’s just bulshit 😅
please post more videos! do you know of any interesting locations are the Lake Ohau region? I can document the locations with my camera and drone (all footage/photos are yours to use for future videos). I am very interested in this topic. Ancient civilisations/incorrect history/solar observatories.
I have documentation of 2 ancient observatories in the upper South Island already, one of which I think I discovered myself from obsessing over light direction with my photography. Both locations are too perfect for it to be by chance!
Hi Bobby, it is an interesting subject. Interested in the upper South Island Observatories if you are happy to share with me to turehunz@gmail.com Regards
cool story bro but the evidence shows humans first arrived in nz around 1250AD.
@@eeeaten Look eeeaten or whoever you are could you please crawl back into your hole!
@@turehunz342 how youtube works: you post irrational nonsense, i correct you.
@@turehunz342 I was going to comment, then I saw this drongos 2 cents so I thought I'd leave mine here as well.
Thanks for sharing this info, as it's very valuable to many, so know your time in making this available is very much appreciated . It actually backs up a lot of other things I'm sure you"re aware of!
ah, let me guess. the maori think they were 'here first' and will call anyone who thinks otherwise a racist?
well I mean I have seen 20 differnct conflicting theories of people being here before Maori
This video its Celtic people, Another one is Egyptians, another one is the Chinese, another one is the south American Indians another one is the Greeks, another one is the romans
It looks like everyone was here before Maori LMFAO AHAHAHAHAHA
I guess people can't take that Maori were here first and no qualified historian or geologist have proven otherwise. So it turns into one big conspiracy
Do you think it is important to Maori that they are considered the indigenous people to NZ?
+Turehu NZ No i just find it funny there are 100s of videos claiming that different civilizations were here before maori, i just saw one that says that aboriginals were here before maori.
All those videos contradict each other, but they do have one thing in common...... They are all conspiracy theories and one big cover up is happening HAHAHA
Literally Maori were the last people on earth to visit New Zealand lmfao
The earth is flat to these people
presjo stop being racist
Does he actually think that early Irish people came to NZ? You can make the same comparisons to many cultures when looking at patterns cut into stone. He started off with a theory and went looking for things that would fit his preconceived ideas. That is not the way to study anything. Confirmation bias at it's worst.
Your ignorant asf
Mayby 1957 the Stones are been put down from the government. (Alien - Hoax)
the carvings that show similarities to irish work could explain the dna of the awanui trussed burials which indicated that they came from wales
LOL Bullshit...All evidence shows Polynesians discovery of New Zealand you pompus twat LOL
Nope
david- Soe off mums wales kin look part maori , and her sisters skin creeps me out as it looks like charcoal colour . Yeah ahh am creeped out about my mothers side off the family, and a english gypsy lady ahh meet in auckland told me mums ancestors were extremly violent history.- al my prophecys and dreams are only about violence in my 64 years so far. - know when folk goin too die .
Watch Skeletons in New Zealand's Cupboard.
Probably the only dumber "history" video about NZ on youtube.
That doco blew me away. Anatomically modern humans have existed for at least 200 thousand years and yet somehow it was only at most a thousand years ago that they finally found New Zealand in the form of the Maoris landing there (even when the Aboriginal peoples of Australia have been on their nearby continent for at least 50 thousand years...)
There are lots of unanswered questions about New Zealand which makes it quite shameful when asking those questions is basically a sin against the established paradigm.
Evident TurehuNZ has just learnt to turn on a computer at the time of his
theory. I do hope he finds the off-switch on his computer before he continues trolling
for evidence.
exactly what he does.
Ireland wasn't the only Celtic culture in the world, there were celtic cultures in britain and mainland europe. They could have come from elsewhere.
Actually there were no Celtic cultures in Aotearoa pre-Maori
It's ridiculous to even suggest a pre-maori civilization. Considering maori as a race of people was not a concept until europeans arrived they have always been apart of all the other tribes on the other pacific Islands it was europeans that separated people by colour. Europeans even determined Maori arrival with a time period and migration patterns to fit their idea of human history.
Hahaha and I bet he thinks that the patupaiarehe are his direct ancestors too! If they were a people here they are definitely entwined closer in the Maori bloodlines than his.... just sayin.
some of the Maori women had ancient Persian/Indo European DNA and many red haired descendants. It’s definitely not unique to New Zealand though some other interesting finds are the Florida Bog people with red hair as well as the chachapoya red haired culture of Peru. Look up red haired, giants of America, and you will find endless examples and many tales passed down through the native peoples. One in particular being Lovelock cave.
@@inigomontoya8943
There seems to be some misunderstanding.
The main ancient genetic heritage reflects Taiwanese origins with a gradual migration through the pacific.
It also needs to be made aware these tests are well into the colonial period so various DNA heritages through subsequent mecegination are hardly going to be surprising.
There are also traces of ancient PERUVIAN DNA, rather than Persian as its surmised Polynesian sailing expeditions made it to Peru and returned with Kumara and possibly wives.
I’m not sure why people cite legends (of giants) as evidentiary proof of existence of anything, unless they’re also claiming Bigfoot and Leprechauns ALSO exist.🤷♂️
@@cainemangakahia4842 checkout the documentary “skeletons in the cupboard”
@@cainemangakahia4842 well aware of the main genetic heritage. The point of interest are traces of dna that are out of place and that according to Māori sources the islands were peopled when they arrived. That those peoples are now mixed in, forgotten, and mythologized is beside the point. Imagine we didn’t have a writing culture when the Spaniards discovered the Guanches? Would RUclips commenters compare them to leprechauns?
@@cainemangakahia4842 Noone is calling the Main Genetic heritage. but much like the ancient Iranians have fascinating genetic traces so too do Maori.
So Maori couldn't do this please! this so centric in its theories, why do people have to try to erode Maori belonging by trying it on with this stuff. Who said Maori didn't have this knowledge and culture> Maybe you should embrace native Maori culture and assimilate or bugger off to Ireland where the Gaels will set you right with a back hander.
Bunji The anthropology Dept of Otago estimate Maori were in NZ about 1300 at Wairoa Bar Blenheim. We never said Maori didn't have this knowledge, although people reading this blog can make up their own mind whether a cannibalistic culture had sophisticated mathematic and astronomical abilities. If you are offended that Maori culture was a violent agressive culture....tough titties mate, history is what it is. "This stuff" as you call it has been around way before 1300AD and it is in Public interest to find out who these ancient people were. If you don't like what eventuates perhaps you can bugger off to "Hawaiiki" ...where ever that place is!
Archaeology is only as good as the last carbon date, who said ancestors of modern Iwi weren't there before then or another group who are today amalgamated into present Maori culture and as such form Maori ancestral connection through integration. Don't like that theory hey!
There's more than Gaels in Ireland. A.K.A. The NATIVE Red Haired Tuatha Dé Danann and no one is going to be 'set right' under their watch.
+Turehu NZ ...Again you ashume Cannibalistic without proof..come on JOHN think before you open that SHYT HOLE of a mouth...Gezz getting really boring...
+Bunji ..I was referring to Mr wannabe Tutae hu or (turehu ) who keep saying Maori Cannibalized the so called pre Maori , and without proof...I sir ( Bunji ) am a TWAT and NOT a DICK such as you if you had read my first name ok DICKWOD and by the way I do have Qualifications in the said Academia such as that for which you have just mentioned but I will not lower my teachings to suit you..
That's why Rotorua was used for Covid quarantine & has the highest emergency housing..Rotorua is run by Maori. I nominate Remuera & Queentown to be the next Lab facility.
A book called Celtic New Zealand by Martin Doutre
A must Read !!
Got that book. Martin Doutre is a phenomenal researcher.
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@@turehunz342 phenomenally unqualified?
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Still Trolling to suppress Truth@@eeeaten
There's a lot of remains of those stone houses at tapapakana park Southeast of kawakawa bay..what could have been 30-50 houses.a little community.
I’d like to visit this place. What trail at tapakana park do I follow to get there? Cheers
You can see the remains on both sides of the parks driveway to the beach.most are before you cross the river.
This was really cool to watch. thank you so much.
the moriori are fron Chatham islands. they were invaded by my ancestors and made slaves. some of the moriori men and women married into Maori families during that time. it is common knowledge in maori conversations.
Interesting. Do you know how the Morioris got to the Chathams? Also were Moriori here in NZ before Maori? I understand they were from a different part of the Pacific; more the East and had a different language from Maori who I understand most probably from the Cook Islands going by linguistic similarities.
@@turehunz342 no, moriori and maori have the same eastern polynesian ancestors, who arrived in nz from 1250AD onwards. they share linguistic and genealogical ties with ngai tahu in nz's south island.
@@eeeaten Fair enough, so Moriori were peaceful apparently and Maori were aggressive. Did these two groups arrive separately in different centuries?
@@turehunz342 as above the Polynesian ancestors of Māori and moriori arrived in New Zealand from 1250 onwards, then some of those people went to the chathams and became moriori (culturally distinct from maori) there. One way in which they became distinct is that the adopted “nunuku’s law” of non violence. Back in nz at that time Māori were probably not very violent as there were plenty of resources and low population density. Later inter tribal warfare increased, then with the introduction of muskets all hell broke loose. Taranaki iwi ngati mutunga and ngati tama were displaced by northern iwi, moved south to Wellington, then took a British ship and guns to take the lands and people of the chathams for themselves. That’s the short version. Interesting, right?