Have been to Gettysburg a few times, 1st time I visited the cemetery that was the 1st thing I thought of, the location of the improvised stage where he gave the speech. Asked a few employees there and it was the same, they gave a general location but no one knew exactly where, and it makes sense. No one thought to drive a stake in the ground marking the spot. The stage was torn down, the whole area was undergoing massive changes, and before it became historically important, anyone who knew was dead. So we will never know the exact location, no matter what kind of mapping, predictive software comes out - Only the general vicinity, same as 15 years ago, same as 50 years ago or 50 years from now. I did visit a spot where he for sure was, the little train station that he arrived from DC at. Quaint, tiny little station, long ago closed to active service of course, it just exists as the place Lincoln arrived at to give the famous address. Kept period of course, and still has a little section of track with a period engine on it. I walked in and looked around, there was a bored looking lady sitting at a counter. So I said, so Abe was here, huh ? She said yep, sure was. I said Oook, and went on my way.
Based on the famous photo, the dedicatory speaker's platform is well inside the Evergreen Cemetery most probably where a mausoleum now stands and not by the fence. The fence separating the two cemeteries runs along between the flagpole and the Evergreen Cemetery gatehouse. Also, the podium is at the right side of the cemetery gatehouse basing from the camera's perspective. When Lincoln delivered the speech he was facing the flagpole which is now the monument. Note the cemetery gatehouse is perfectly aligned straight towards the camera which is looking oriented towards northeast. Well, you wonder wny Lincoln is facing towards where the camera is standing. Lincoln is not delivering a speech nor sitting down at this point but actually getting off the podium at the side that is also why he is looking downwards when the photo was taken. That explains why the peak of of Culp's Hill is also visible from this angle at the right side.
I know Robert had breakfast with his father the morning of the assassination - Robert declined to go to the play - He scarcely saw his father during the war years - I read that Robert burned a lot of his Father's correspondence - Can you shed some new light regarding the relationship between Lincoln and Robert . . .
Wow! I am Canadian and you blew my mind! We were in Gettysburg a few years ago and this just shows how easily things are lost to time. Nobody thought anything of it when Lincoln made that now famous speech. Crazy.
I went to Gettysburg way back in 2012, for a 7th & 8th grade field Summer-field trip. I remember all (30?) of us kids trying to recite the address by memory, but interestingly I dont remember the idea that we didnt know where precisely the address had been given as being more important than just a footnote. Its super cool the techniques people are using to figure out where precisely he stood, and of course I wish them all nothing but the best luck in solving this mystery. But also, its kinda one of those mysteries thats almost more important than the truth itself. For all the mysteries of Gettysburg, isnt it fitting that where Lincoln gave his most famous speech is as much a mystery as any other?
Yeah, it's one of those things that has become a spectacle in and of itself. When I first heard about this, it was just shocking to me that we didn't know the actual location. It was one of those things I assumed we just knew and didn't give it a second thought. But yeah, to learn about all the mystery surrounding it and the lengths people are going to try and figure it out, was an awesome rabbit hole to go down. Super interesting stuff!
excellent presentation. Mr. Frassanito was so accurate in pinpointing the location. i believe Garry Adelman also supports Mr. Frassanito's location of the speech.
Photography wasn't that common back then, which really makes it hard to visualise a lot of that era. It wasn't really until the 20th century when photography and especially wartime photography became commonplace, and demonstrates how influential this manner of recording is. Especially with early colour photography, or even coloured-in black-and-white photographs, which really makes you realise so much stronger that they were just people like you and me, more than mere words on paper can. In that sense 'where a speech was held' isn't so much about whether we know about the exact physical location, but rather about turning an ephemeral something into a physical event that connects directly to the suffering and deaths of these tens of thousands of soldiers, and the wider tragedy of the US Civil War.
I wonder what's the oldest (outdoor) historical event that we can get accurate location data for within say, 10 feet. I'd imagine as this video says, you'd have to use photographic evidence in all likelihood. Also, ironically enough, I love how the Lincoln Memorial in DC has the exact spot where MLK gave his "I Have a Dream" marked in the stone.
I've been wondering that since I started researching this video as well! It's a really fascinating subject and has sent me down several rabbit holes lol. I like that we have the foresight to mark these locations now - I didn't actually know that about the "I Have a Dream" speech, but am very glad they did it!
@@NationalParkDiaries That is a lot of labor that goes into maintaining these areas/trails. Helps me better understand why some trails might be closed off 😅
An interesting bit of research. But in the long run, what matters more is what was said. And of even more importance, as Lincoln declared, what was done by our soldiers there.
The Address was not given the reverence we hold it in today right away. The bloodiest battle? No. Antietam, not far from Gettysburg is considered by many the bloodiest for single day loses, and has always been so. It has always been given that moniker.
Yeah Antietam is the bloodiest for SINGLE day losses. Gettysburg was still bloodier in total though with 50000 casualties including 7800 deaths just not over a single day.
Antietam is actually 8th in total casualties (killed, wounded, missing). Behind Gettysburg, Chickamauga, Spotsylvania Courthouse, Chancellorsville, The Wilderness, Stones River, and Shiloh.
Extremely interesting thank you. God bless America. ❤
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Super interesting! Great job! Love the channel!
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The actual location has pretty much been decided and affirmed by many respected historians. I’m sticking with their version.
This was really cool to hear about.
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Have been to Gettysburg a few times, 1st time I visited the cemetery that was the 1st thing I thought of, the location of the improvised stage where he gave the speech. Asked a few employees there and it was the same, they gave a general location but no one knew exactly where, and it makes sense. No one thought to drive a stake in the ground marking the spot. The stage was torn down, the whole area was undergoing massive changes, and before it became historically important, anyone who knew was dead. So we will never know the exact location, no matter what kind of mapping, predictive software comes out - Only the general vicinity, same as 15 years ago, same as 50 years ago or 50 years from now.
I did visit a spot where he for sure was, the little train station that he arrived from DC at. Quaint, tiny little station, long ago closed to active service of course, it just exists as the place Lincoln arrived at to give the famous address.
Kept period of course, and still has a little section of track with a period engine on it. I walked in and looked around, there was a bored looking lady sitting at a counter. So I said, so Abe was here, huh ? She said yep, sure was. I said Oook, and went on my way.
Based on the famous photo, the dedicatory speaker's platform is well inside the Evergreen Cemetery most probably where a mausoleum now stands and not by the fence. The fence separating the two cemeteries runs along between the flagpole and the Evergreen Cemetery gatehouse. Also, the podium is at the right side of the cemetery gatehouse basing from the camera's perspective. When Lincoln delivered the speech he was facing the flagpole which is now the monument. Note the cemetery gatehouse is perfectly aligned straight towards the camera which is looking oriented towards northeast. Well, you wonder wny Lincoln is facing towards where the camera is standing. Lincoln is not delivering a speech nor sitting down at this point but actually getting off the podium at the side that is also why he is looking downwards when the photo was taken. That explains why the peak of of Culp's Hill is also visible from this angle at the right side.
A north-pointing compass rose on each photograph or rendering would be helpful to orient the viewer.
I know Robert had breakfast with his father the morning of the assassination - Robert declined to go to the play - He scarcely saw his father during the war years - I read that Robert burned a lot of his Father's correspondence - Can you shed some new light regarding the relationship between Lincoln and Robert . . .
Wow! I am Canadian and you blew my mind!
We were in Gettysburg a few years ago and this just shows how easily things are lost to time. Nobody thought anything of it when Lincoln made that now famous speech. Crazy.
Thanks for watching! I found it incredible when I first learned about this too, so I'm glad I could share that with you all!
Yes it is known
Can you address the question as to whether or not Lincoln was close to his eldest Son Robert - Have read varying accts over the years
War is stupid.
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I went to Gettysburg way back in 2012, for a 7th & 8th grade field Summer-field trip. I remember all (30?) of us kids trying to recite the address by memory, but interestingly I dont remember the idea that we didnt know where precisely the address had been given as being more important than just a footnote.
Its super cool the techniques people are using to figure out where precisely he stood, and of course I wish them all nothing but the best luck in solving this mystery.
But also, its kinda one of those mysteries thats almost more important than the truth itself.
For all the mysteries of Gettysburg, isnt it fitting that where Lincoln gave his most famous speech is as much a mystery as any other?
Yeah, it's one of those things that has become a spectacle in and of itself. When I first heard about this, it was just shocking to me that we didn't know the actual location. It was one of those things I assumed we just knew and didn't give it a second thought. But yeah, to learn about all the mystery surrounding it and the lengths people are going to try and figure it out, was an awesome rabbit hole to go down. Super interesting stuff!
Awesome video!
Thank you!!
They know
Thank you for the detailed analysis
You bet, thanks for watching!
Great detective work, Professor Cameron!
Haha, thank you!
Thanks Cameron great video
Thank you!!
excellent presentation. Mr. Frassanito was so accurate in pinpointing the location. i believe Garry Adelman also supports Mr. Frassanito's location of the speech.
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Well done.
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Photography wasn't that common back then, which really makes it hard to visualise a lot of that era. It wasn't really until the 20th century when photography and especially wartime photography became commonplace, and demonstrates how influential this manner of recording is. Especially with early colour photography, or even coloured-in black-and-white photographs, which really makes you realise so much stronger that they were just people like you and me, more than mere words on paper can.
In that sense 'where a speech was held' isn't so much about whether we know about the exact physical location, but rather about turning an ephemeral something into a physical event that connects directly to the suffering and deaths of these tens of thousands of soldiers, and the wider tragedy of the US Civil War.
I wonder what's the oldest (outdoor) historical event that we can get accurate location data for within say, 10 feet. I'd imagine as this video says, you'd have to use photographic evidence in all likelihood.
Also, ironically enough, I love how the Lincoln Memorial in DC has the exact spot where MLK gave his "I Have a Dream" marked in the stone.
I've been wondering that since I started researching this video as well! It's a really fascinating subject and has sent me down several rabbit holes lol. I like that we have the foresight to mark these locations now - I didn't actually know that about the "I Have a Dream" speech, but am very glad they did it!
Its common knowledge that he was at 123 Fake street, Gettysburg
They actually filmed it in South Carolina
The NYT just published an article on "how to open a national park for thr summer"
Read that yesterday - great read!
@@NationalParkDiaries That is a lot of labor that goes into maintaining these areas/trails. Helps me better understand why some trails might be closed off 😅
@@MoctezumaStudios Oh for sure! And why we need to better fund our parks 😁
Wish I knew the address, I've got a complaint letter typed up that I been waiting for years to mail to Mr. Lincoln.
I have a address
Thanks!
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Who knew? Thanks!
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An interesting bit of research. But in the long run, what matters more is what was said. And of even more importance, as Lincoln declared, what was done by our soldiers there.
Pretty sure I saw a sign saying nothing happened there back then. Maybe it's there as a distraction
The Address was not given the reverence we hold it in today right away. The bloodiest battle? No. Antietam, not far from Gettysburg is considered by many the bloodiest for single day loses, and has always been so. It has always been given that moniker.
Yeah Antietam is the bloodiest for SINGLE day losses. Gettysburg was still bloodier in total though with 50000 casualties including 7800 deaths just not over a single day.
Antietam is actually 8th in total casualties (killed, wounded, missing). Behind Gettysburg, Chickamauga, Spotsylvania Courthouse, Chancellorsville, The Wilderness, Stones River, and Shiloh.