Yeah and I like how Liefeld was legitimately surprised that Miller even knew who the Silver Surfer/Norrin Radd and Daredevil/Matt Murdock's partner in practicing law, Foggy Nelson, were and that Miller read comics and knew his stuff. Liefeld wasn't expecting that. Neither was I.
Nowadays, even with the massive success of Super Hero films, I still can't picture a lot of talk show hosts and news anchors getting in-depth in an interview about comic books on national television(Larry King did it with Stan Lee in an interview but that was in an interview from almost twenty years ago so that's different, just like this interview Miller did with Liefeld because it isn't recent and is from the past). Mostly because most of them(talk show hosts and news anchors) never read comic books growing up, didn't take them seriously and wouldn't know the first thing about comics outside of what they have seen in television shows and movies about Super Heroes. But with that much having been said, I could picture Seth Meyers getting in depth in an interview about comic books-probably Stephen Colbert, too.
Like it or not, this guys was an amazing talent. His artwork started a genre of sorts... long legs and lots of guns. Apparently a lot of people liked it... including myself. Nobody could ever draw Cable or Deadpool like this guy.
Rob Liefeld is definitely one of the best comic book artists ever I don't understand why some people are giving him shit. Have they even seen what he draws?
Rob may not be one of the great artists of our time, but he's got an eye for action and storytelling that puts lie to the notion that he "sucks." His anatomy and costume design DO, indeed, leave something to be desired but he has other redeeming values and really has just become an easy target for the relentlessly negative elements of the comics press and fandom.
Actually that was toward the end of New Mutants run (the series ended on Issue #100 before the team renamed themselves to X-Force). During that time period Rob Liefeld was given total creative control over the direction New Mutants was taking due to his popularity amongst comic fans. If you look in the credit section on page 3 of the book it gives credit to Liefeld for the plot. Fabian undoubtedly had some amount of input on it so he definitely deserves some credit, but Liefeld was in control.
I think his artwork is great and always have. Not only that but I think the superheroes he came up with was also great. Im a real old school comic book fan and I love old comics and dont care much for the newer stuff. But Rob is still my favorite comic book maker.
Well he is, there's no doubt there. Rob designed him, Nicieza called up Rob and said "This is Deathstroke from the Teen Titans" and named him "Wade Wilson" as a joke. Pretty much everything about his personality is Nicieza's, Liefeld came up with his initial powers of being a merc with enhanced agility. Pretty much everything written about him after the initial appearance was by Nicieza as well until Joe Kelly picked him up.
My favorite Liefeld stuff was his New Mutants run. I remember Saturday Night Live mocking Dennis Miller's show in a sketch called 'Cooking with Dennis Miller'. It was fun.
No kidding and people were stuffing them away thinking by 2014 they'd be worth a few thousand dollars, I found the copy I own for 49 cents in a bargan bin at a used book store, and I sware I paid more for the Chicken Sandwich I had for lunch that day then I did the comic
@@snakes3425 You can get most of the old stuff from Image in bargain bins at comic stores. I got a bunch of old back issues from the early Image books from bargain bins.
@StyleSessions This was still during the comics/collectibles speculation boom, before the bubble burst in 1994. Popular titles were routinely selling close to a million copies a month (they sell about 150,000 a month now). Superhero movies had just hit it big in Hollywood, mainstream exposure was at an all-time high, etc.... Comic book writing was still catering strictly to kids at the time, so the hot artists became the obvious superstars of the industry.
Like I said the speculator market nearly ruined the comics industry, at the time no one knew Death of Superman and Knightfall: Broken Bat were simply the opening parts of to a pair of story arc trilogies. I mean I've bought 90s era Issue 1s and 0s for .25 cents in the bargin bin at my local Half Price Books yeah word of advice speculators Action Comics 1, Detective 27, Amazing Fantasy 15 fetch the prices they do because there aren't many copies left and they introduced characters who are icons
---> is due to them as a collective, being bad business men (I say collective because Lee and McFarlane have shown a decent to good amount of good business sense). As it is, if Image had been better run early on,(like they are now) meeting their deadlines, they really could've made more waves given that they were killing the Big Two in sales.
At 4:55 it appears poor Rob wanted to continue with the conversation but Miller just ignores him LOL! How many of those audience members actually kept the comic or simply tossed it in the nearest trash bin.
Is it me or does that cover, no check that do both covers and the entire Youngblood concept seem familiar? A hulking character, a guy with perfect aim who uses a bow and arrow, a female Russian Defector turned Secret Agent, an "Alien" Warrior, and a guy who dresses in a multicolored outfit and who's special attack is throwing a disc shaped shield and a guy who wears a suit of power armor...oh wait now I remember where I've seen it before that's the concept and core characters of the Avengers
There were other reasons as well, the war was the big thing, with the paper drives the first things parents usually donated were comic books, then you had the big backlash in 50s-60s, once again with many copies being destroyed or simply thrown out. Spawn has always been the exception with early Image, Spawn has a backstory that makes him a tragic and sympathetic character, not just another jerk with guns, same with the Punisher, he's violent and gun crazy yet his origin makes him sympathetic
Although his style had a lot of 'odd' things in them, (such as oversized chest muscles) I always was intruiged by his style. I found and still find his details great. It was like over the top, but over the top in it's own original way.
great upload, man comics should get more outside plublicity. i dont care what you guys say, if people can praise Ed McGuinness blocky work then theyre shouldnt be any conplaints about rob leifields work. for what it is it sure is intertianing and a lot better than you could ever do.
Yes I know he is not old school I was just saying that I love older comics and dont care at all for the new stuff. The newest comics I have is the civil war stuff and they turned out ok. But I love the comics from the late 70's and mostly the 80's and early 90's stuff that is my favorite year span of art/story that I love the most. Now I do also like the 60's stuff as well but some of it can be cheesy
Okay, well that's a bit different that the more broader, generalizing ways you were talking about Liefeld before. I agree with this post almost across the board. I would probably throw Bob Harras in there w/ Perelman as well. I'd only add I think Liefeld is objectively bad but subjectively good since there are a lot of people who still like his work. Imagine that, a nice civil conversation on RUclips that didn't blow up into silliness.*hand shake* :)
you know I hate liefield's work with a vengeance but he actually seems like a nice guy. he seems like the kind of guy I could chat with while drinking some cofee.
Liefeld did the plot, Nicieza wrote the script. It's basically saying Liefeld wrote "They go here, this happens, this guy comes in, cut here, this happens", Nicieza writes the dialogue and layout, Liefeld draws it horribly. I've worked in comics, a lot of them can have up to 8 people working on just one issue.
@iDraw3G 2.50...the cover price. It sold a boatload of copies...so there are so many in print they are all worthless. Most of the comics in the 90s (when I collected them) are worthless since they were the height of popularity then. More popular = more comics printed = less value.
When you consider that Fabian Nicieza wrote the script for that comic, that does say that you really can't give Liefeld the credit for the dialogue there.
Only reason I threw DoS in there is because it (#75) went nearly five printings and they sold them based off of them promoting it that it was going to be worth something later on, knowing full well he was coming back. I think that's why I tend to point these things out because it's become the go-to to blame everything that went wrong in the 90s on Image when really, they just rode the wave that the Big Two started. True, Image didn't help but at least part of that is --> (con'td)
You know, I actually have a copy of New Mutans #98 (the issue also introduced X-Force member Domino and antagonist Gideon). Deadpool isn't as playful or as charasmatic as he is now. But to say that he's nothing like his current incarnation is fallacious. I'll give you a direct quote from Deadpool in that very issue. "Y'know, I've always wanted the chance to rehabilitate myself --you know somewhere nice... ...How about a prison in the bahamas?". Deadpool has ALWAYS had a mouth on him.
Yeah everyone who thought Youngblood #1 would make them rich and put them through college or something well guess what five bucks (8.50 for all versons) is bearly enough to put gas in your car or buy lunch
@WorkSucksMedia For better or worse if you see a Liefeld cover you know who did it right off the bat he has his own style unlike 85-90% of comic book artists.
Oh trust me, the videos I stupidly comment on tend to lead to flame wars that if made physical would ignite the planet. *shakes* And honestly, that still confuses me at times. I've heard some big people do LIKE his work and whenever I look at it I just go "why?".
It's hard to explain if you're someone who's really big on everything on the page being exactly right, what I call technical arts. Liefeld obviously isn't a hi-tech artist (meaning he doesn't have a ton of tricks in his wheelbarrow) but what he lacks in proficiency he makes up for in energy and just heart. Yeah, his anatomy/perspective etc is off etc, but he's just gotten to a point now that his almost has his own visual language. lol. It's wrong but in his pages, it's right and means -->
Leave it to Dennis Miller to throw in some tacky juvenile sex jokes which he wrote beforehand and didn't even ad-lib. What a guy. But fun to see Rob Liefeld on there. He talks about this appearance on his podcast "Robservations" and apparently there was quite a bit of drama before the show started. An actor was PISSED OFF that Rob was going to be the first guest and not him. That's show biz!🤣
And all you donkeys going on about examples of Rob's art. From twenty years ago. Way to stay current, kids! You all go on and on and on and on and on and on about how much you detest him, yet....can't stop talking about him.
I don't get it. First I hear that this guy is one of the most popular artists ever to hit the industry, but now Im hearing that this guy has sucks at what he's done his whole career. Which is it. Is a good artist or a bad artist. And if he's a bad artist, why did so many people like his work back then. WHATS GOING ON HERE!!!!!?? IS HE GOOD OR BAD!!!!!??
Both people like him because he created Cable and Deadpool for MARVEL but when he struck out on his own at Image and created his "solo series" like Youngblood yeah everyone burned him at the stake because his characters were pretty much copy pastes of Cable and Deadpool in terms of body types and personallities and no I don't mean Deadpool's a few cards short of a full deck personallity that everyone loves I mean they're defining traits are "Shoot anything from the atoms on upwards."
Rob's a great artist and comics creator. Sadly, new characters and comics are always compared to current lines. It's something that every character creator goes through. Malibu/Ultraverse comics were hit bad as well but couldn't be any further from their comparisons. Rob's biggest drawback, or at least back when I read his comics, was his art style. All of his male characters more ir less had the same exact face. Same with his female characters. He had a very unique style but in the end they tended to look the the same. Believe he has grown out if that years ago.
BAD, it just appealed to a lot of kids...under 18 who couldnt draw....now they are the same ones trying to finish off comics with terrible art work like his.
He's the Michael Bay of comics only more divisive. Everyone seems to hate him in he inexplicably sells well so obviously some people must like him. He does get some credit for creating some fan favourite characters but it should be pointed out it's not his versions that became hits.
thats using a popular phrase completely out of context. one mans trash is another mans treasure refers to what one person no longer wants/needs could be used by someone else. for example. things you find at a yard sale. if some one doesn't like rob liefeld or his work, its merely just a matter of opinion.
That's true, but we have to remember that when someone is in total creative control over the direction a series is taking then that means absolutely nothing happens without that person's approval. My best guess is Liefeld and Nicieza both agreed that Deadpool should be a relatively mouthy bastard played for laughs. Unless Fabian and Rob both come out and agree that it was all Fabian's idea for Deadpool then my guess is he's a machination of both their imaginations.
--->something specific to him. The way someone jumps wrong or an incorrectly applied forced perspective. Like, it's wrong, but it still comes through what he's saying anyways. Ultimately, Rob's just a guy (or kid) who just likes drawing at his core and has a lot of fun doing it. The funny thing to me is that there are artists that do the exact same thing he does (his bad habits, sometimes worse) but they don't get lamblasted for it. Why? Because he's successful and folks hate that.
ITS GREAT TO SEE COMICS MAKING ITS POPULARITY MARK IN LINE WITH MANGA AND ANIME.but too bad all that money they made for Marvel and DC gets pissed away on the all twenty different batman/superman/ jojoman titles and wot not. MARVEL doesnt have serious plans to make the their styles staples in the industry but at least they did their part. got the attention and moved past it.
Also true, but it is entirely possible that when Niceiza told Rob that Deadpool is Deathstroke and was given a joke name. Liefeld embraced it and just plotted him for laughs. It wouldn't surprise me if a talented writer like Nicieza did the entirety of Deadpool's personality, but I'd like some confirmation on that first, and until then we do, we have to give Liefeld some amount of credit, afterall without his input Deadpool never would have been. But Youngblood still sucks.
agreed on the fact that he let the fame get to him, but for me his work turned to cheese after youngblood 6...... and I know Karl Kesel wasn't working with him then...
Not really into his 90's work. And even he admitted it himself. Really, no one did, but over years, especially during this year he's actually doing much better in his art. Everything seems a bit more proportionate now than it did.
@rushaholic I really like Rob's early Marvel work. He just got worse and worse as business ventures took him away from drawing. It's also mind-boggling to think that Image was outselling Marvel and DC at one time! It was a historical moment for the industry, no doubt. Rumor has it that Rob made about $20 million during Image's heyday.
I wonder if he would have stayed at marvel a few more years if he would have had a better legacy. It seems his image characters did not stand up to the test of time.
Karl Kesel was the inker who heavily 'repaired' his artwork., said that the guy was learning when he came to DC/ Marvel, but he let fame get to him. It's bad seeing someone who has no talent whatsoever, but it is worse to see someone who wasted their talent. Liefeld wasted his, and could have learned so much more from a decent bridgman or Loomis book.
The same could be said for McFarlane's Spider-Man #1 or Spawn #1. And what about the death of Superman? The media was all over that one and people who never set foot inside a comic shop banked their kid's college education on it! Today they'd be lucky if it brought in enough to buy a textbook. USED!
Actually, if you really want to go there, Liefeld didn't do that, Marvel and DC did, or are you forgetting adjective-less X-Men #1 and Death of Superman/Superman #75? Not to mention the speculators market has always been there well before Image rolled out. And post-Image? Not to absolve Image of any wrongdoing because they have their fault in this as well, but do you also not remember the mountains of gimmicks Marvel (and to a lesser extend, DC) they rolled out?
I actually thought he was a better artist back then.... His stuff now really reeks of " I'm lazy." I don't know I really enjoyed his comics back then, and I think the only one who destroyed his "stardom" was himself.
I'll give you that, Xmen did come out a year before Youngblood did. Liefeld didn't really help the process to say the least. And death of superman doesn't really fit that category. Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying Image is solely responsible for this. Pretty much every comic company, independent or big in the late 80s to early 90s was pulling this junk and still continues to today.
I'm a pretty young guy and I'm curious. Was youngblood good or bad when it came out? Did anyone actually like it for being good or just because it was a #1 from a brand new publisher?
+DotAHockeyWizard As someone who grew up during the so called "Dark Age of Comics" i.e. the 90s, likely it sold good because it was a #1 from a new publisher complete with gimmicks such as flipping the comic over to read a second story and trading cards, and people believed it would be worth as much as Action Comics #1 so they bought upwards of 3,4 hell even 20 copies, and believe it or not Rob Liefeld was actually a very popular artist back then so people bought it just because it had his name on it assuming that yeah he's popular therefore it's automatically good. Yeah if we'd had the internet back then instead of just the magazines that praised the Artists non-stop, Rob probably would've been burned at the stake, and crucified....especally after that Heroes Reborn: Captain America travesty, i.e. the Comic So Bad that if you read it You Die
+DotAHockeyWizard The reason a lot of people give Rob a break is because he created Deadpool and Cable....however that doesn't excuse his later actions above all his lateness: the story arc in the comic the're featuring in this segment it lasted from April 1992 till July 1993...it was only 7 issues long, yeah it took Rob over a year to finish what was suppose to be the debut story arc, and it gets better Issue #1 April 1992 Issue #2: JUNE 1992...yeah it took Rob 2 months just to release the second youngblood comic. Hell it got so bad that the editor of Valiant Comics, who Image was working with on the Deathmate Crossover, had to go to Rob's house, and FORCE HIM to draw his part of the comic. Yeah anyone else would've been fired within a week if they pulled stuff like this
snakes3425 I guess that's why they created Image, so they could just be lazy comic book creators. That'd explain why spawn has always been so spotty. Sometimes it's brilliant and approaches Sandman levels of intrigue but most of the time it's just boring. They should thank they're lucky stars that Robert Kirkman's work will be long remembered rather than Youngblood or Spawn.
+DotAHockeyWizard The intent with Image was that if you create something you control the rights, and there were those who clearly cared about their work....then you get Rob Liefeld who let his ego runaway with him and decided "hey I'm a founder of Image and the boss of Extreme Studios. I'm going to do what ever the hell I please." Yes he was in the end fired from Image and took all his characters with him
@TheEmoticonMaster He only created the look of Deadpool... Deadpool only gain his personalty that we all know and love after good and talented writers started to work on him. Before then Deadpool was just a run of the mile Youngblood like character with little or no personalty. I Wouldn't give Rob Liefeld that much credit. The only other character he made that is still truly being used is Cable.
its a rumor and also think back to the ninties unless ur a wierdo(no offense) he rocked back then ofcourse looking back at it now it suck and he is infact the only artist tht has not progressed over 20 years but hes self taught he deserves respect kinda.
@Se7enBeatleofDoom Well nothing's wrong with that, Cable is cool, but none the less I still don't think he's that bad and I respect him and all the founders of Image for they did.
@WorkSucksMedia Don't think that I was taking sides. I just found the choice of words funny in a juvenile way. It doesn't mean I agree. If I didn't like Liefeld I wouldn't have posted this video. Is he the greatest artist ever?... Uh, no. But I don't think Linkara or whoever is the reason why he gets so much negativity going his way.
@DodgerRiley Lol, no, no. I see where you are coming from. I'm not defending the guy, I'm not a real big fan myself, but I just don't see anything wrong with his art ... well, at least until now.
Dennis Miller's gotta be the only talk show host to wanna get in depth about comic books. Pretty cool.
Yeah and I like how Liefeld was legitimately surprised that Miller even knew who the Silver Surfer/Norrin Radd and Daredevil/Matt Murdock's partner in practicing law, Foggy Nelson, were and that Miller read comics and knew his stuff. Liefeld wasn't expecting that. Neither was I.
Nowadays, even with the massive success of Super Hero films, I still can't picture a lot of talk show hosts and news anchors getting in-depth in an interview about comic books on national television(Larry King did it with Stan Lee in an interview but that was in an interview from almost twenty years ago so that's different, just like this interview Miller did with Liefeld because it isn't recent and is from the past).
Mostly because most of them(talk show hosts and news anchors) never read comic books growing up, didn't take them seriously and wouldn't know the first thing about comics outside of what they have seen in television shows and movies about Super Heroes.
But with that much having been said, I could picture Seth Meyers getting in depth in an interview about comic books-probably Stephen Colbert, too.
Like it or not, this guys was an amazing talent. His artwork started a genre of sorts... long legs and lots of guns. Apparently a lot of people liked it... including myself. Nobody could ever draw Cable or Deadpool like this guy.
Even though he can’t draw feet, Rob Liefeld is still awesome.
You know, if nothing else his art looks fun and it seems like he enjoys what he's doing. So...y'know. He makes a living doing what he loves.
Rob Liefeld is definitely one of the best comic book artists ever I don't understand why some people are giving him shit. Have they even seen what he draws?
Have you?
'Robservations' brought me here and I'm glad it did! Great complement to Rob's podcast!
rob Liefeld was my idol. Watching this brings me back!! X Force!!!
"Superman 1...doesn't that sell for like 50k now?"
Lord, that would have been an amazing investment considering it's now 3.5M.
Amazing Fantasy #15 sold for $16k according to the back of a card in series 1 of the marvel trading cards
Rob may not be one of the great artists of our time, but he's got an eye for action and storytelling that puts lie to the notion that he "sucks." His anatomy and costume design DO, indeed, leave something to be desired but he has other redeeming values and really has just become an easy target for the relentlessly negative elements of the comics press and fandom.
it's fun seeing Dennis Miller geek out over comics
Actually that was toward the end of New Mutants run (the series ended on Issue #100 before the team renamed themselves to X-Force). During that time period Rob Liefeld was given total creative control over the direction New Mutants was taking due to his popularity amongst comic fans.
If you look in the credit section on page 3 of the book it gives credit to Liefeld for the plot. Fabian undoubtedly had some amount of input on it so he definitely deserves some credit, but Liefeld was in control.
Look how young he is. He looks like he just came out of high school.
I'm here after reading The Official Image Timeline that was released a week ago!
any artist that can get attention on comics like this deserves respect
I think his artwork is great and always have. Not only that but I think the superheroes he came up with was also great. Im a real old school comic book fan and I love old comics and dont care much for the newer stuff. But Rob is still my favorite comic book maker.
this is AWESOME!!!
Such a trip to watch this over 20 years later.
Well he is, there's no doubt there. Rob designed him, Nicieza called up Rob and said "This is Deathstroke from the Teen Titans" and named him "Wade Wilson" as a joke. Pretty much everything about his personality is Nicieza's, Liefeld came up with his initial powers of being a merc with enhanced agility. Pretty much everything written about him after the initial appearance was by Nicieza as well until Joe Kelly picked him up.
he created a guy with guns, swords and a regenerative ability. Joe Kelly made him the Deadpool you know.
My favorite Liefeld stuff was his New Mutants run.
I remember Saturday Night Live mocking Dennis Miller's show in a sketch called 'Cooking with Dennis Miller'. It was fun.
Damn, Miller really knew his stuff.
Nice to see this, I remember when the Image stuff first hit it really was like a group of celebrities.
I LOVE THAT SMODCAST!!!!
His art aside, Liefeld seems seems like a nice person
Yes I still collect back issues of Team Youngblood! Nobody draws like that anymore!
youngblood number #1 sells for less then a dollar as of 2014
No kidding and people were stuffing them away thinking by 2014 they'd be worth a few thousand dollars, I found the copy I own for 49 cents in a bargan bin at a used book store, and I sware I paid more for the Chicken Sandwich I had for lunch that day then I did the comic
@@snakes3425 You can get most of the old stuff from Image in bargain bins at comic stores. I got a bunch of old back issues from the early Image books from bargain bins.
Here created a guy NAMED Deadpool, the Deadpool we all know and love didn't come into form until Joe Kelly started writing him
jim lee's fat man on batman interview made me go look this up to re-watch it. god it seems forever ago.
Dang! Dennis Miller was beating the crap out of that comic. LOL
Poor Rob was so nervous.
I recently tried to sell off my old image comics from the 90s. Turns out they ain't worth jack.
Deadpool personally was created by Fabian Nicieza and Joe Kelly.
VERY GOOD UPLOAD!!!
@StyleSessions
This was still during the comics/collectibles speculation boom, before the bubble burst in 1994. Popular titles were routinely selling close to a million copies a month (they sell about 150,000 a month now). Superhero movies had just hit it big in Hollywood, mainstream exposure was at an all-time high, etc....
Comic book writing was still catering strictly to kids at the time, so the hot artists became the obvious superstars of the industry.
Like I said the speculator market nearly ruined the comics industry, at the time no one knew Death of Superman and Knightfall: Broken Bat were simply the opening parts of to a pair of story arc trilogies. I mean I've bought 90s era Issue 1s and 0s for .25 cents in the bargin bin at my local Half Price Books yeah word of advice speculators Action Comics 1, Detective 27, Amazing Fantasy 15 fetch the prices they do because there aren't many copies left and they introduced characters who are icons
---> is due to them as a collective, being bad business men (I say collective because Lee and McFarlane have shown a decent to good amount of good business sense). As it is, if Image had been better run early on,(like they are now) meeting their deadlines, they really could've made more waves given that they were killing the Big Two in sales.
i have so much respect for rob but i dnt understand why he isnt even a quarter of what jim lee was and he got so much more attention
At 4:55 it appears poor Rob wanted to continue with the conversation but Miller just ignores him LOL! How many of those audience members actually kept the comic or simply tossed it in the nearest trash bin.
@curefreak Well, if you were on there would you want to talk about some company you used to work for or the one you started and work with now?
Is it me or does that cover, no check that do both covers and the entire Youngblood concept seem familiar? A hulking character, a guy with perfect aim who uses a bow and arrow, a female Russian Defector turned Secret Agent, an "Alien" Warrior, and a guy who dresses in a multicolored outfit and who's special attack is throwing a disc shaped shield and a guy who wears a suit of power armor...oh wait now I remember where I've seen it before that's the concept and core characters of the Avengers
I heard they rebooted Youngblood in 2007-2008 not sure which and it was written by Joe Casey. I wonder how it performed
There were other reasons as well, the war was the big thing, with the paper drives the first things parents usually donated were comic books, then you had the big backlash in 50s-60s, once again with many copies being destroyed or simply thrown out. Spawn has always been the exception with early Image, Spawn has a backstory that makes him a tragic and sympathetic character, not just another jerk with guns, same with the Punisher, he's violent and gun crazy yet his origin makes him sympathetic
Awesome to see Miller is a comicgeek!!
Although his style had a lot of 'odd' things in them, (such as oversized chest muscles) I always was intruiged by his style. I found and still find his details great. It was like over the top, but over the top in it's own original way.
Did Dennis Miller and Rob Liefeld combine their twin powers to create... an Oprah experience in the studio audience???
"DUUUUUUUUUUDE! Rob Liefeld is a mad genius, He's Like A God, Man!" - 90's Kid, AT4W
great upload, man comics should get more outside plublicity. i dont care what you guys say, if people can praise Ed McGuinness blocky work then theyre shouldnt be any conplaints about rob leifields work. for what it is it sure is intertianing and a lot better than you could ever do.
Yes I know he is not old school I was just saying that I love older comics and dont care at all for the new stuff. The newest comics I have is the civil war stuff and they turned out ok. But I love the comics from the late 70's and mostly the 80's and early 90's stuff that is my favorite year span of art/story that I love the most. Now I do also like the 60's stuff as well but some of it can be cheesy
You know Miller's jokes are funny, 'cause he ends them all with "okaaay, uhhhh..."
@tehblackarachnid btw yes I have read his twitter posts and some of them are hilarious
Okay, well that's a bit different that the more broader, generalizing ways you were talking about Liefeld before. I agree with this post almost across the board. I would probably throw Bob Harras in there w/ Perelman as well. I'd only add I think Liefeld is objectively bad but subjectively good since there are a lot of people who still like his work. Imagine that, a nice civil conversation on RUclips that didn't blow up into silliness.*hand shake* :)
you know I hate liefield's work with a vengeance but he actually seems like a nice guy. he seems like the kind of guy I could chat with while drinking some cofee.
Liefeld did the plot, Nicieza wrote the script. It's basically saying Liefeld wrote "They go here, this happens, this guy comes in, cut here, this happens", Nicieza writes the dialogue and layout, Liefeld draws it horribly. I've worked in comics, a lot of them can have up to 8 people working on just one issue.
@iDraw3G 2.50...the cover price. It sold a boatload of copies...so there are so many in print they are all worthless. Most of the comics in the 90s (when I collected them) are worthless since they were the height of popularity then. More popular = more comics printed = less value.
When you consider that Fabian Nicieza wrote the script for that comic, that does say that you really can't give Liefeld the credit for the dialogue there.
Linkara panns a lot of Liefeld's works. Though "Triple L" does have a love/hate relationship for Rob Liefeld.
Only reason I threw DoS in there is because it (#75) went nearly five printings and they sold them based off of them promoting it that it was going to be worth something later on, knowing full well he was coming back. I think that's why I tend to point these things out because it's become the go-to to blame everything that went wrong in the 90s on Image when really, they just rode the wave that the Big Two started. True, Image didn't help but at least part of that is --> (con'td)
You know, I actually have a copy of New Mutans #98 (the issue also introduced X-Force member Domino and antagonist Gideon).
Deadpool isn't as playful or as charasmatic as he is now. But to say that he's nothing like his current incarnation is fallacious. I'll give you a direct quote from Deadpool in that very issue.
"Y'know, I've always wanted the chance to rehabilitate myself --you know somewhere nice...
...How about a prison in the bahamas?".
Deadpool has ALWAYS had a mouth on him.
He looks like Matt Damon.
Yeah everyone who thought Youngblood #1 would make them rich and put them through college or something well guess what five bucks (8.50 for all versons) is bearly enough to put gas in your car or buy lunch
@WorkSucksMedia For better or worse if you see a Liefeld cover you know who did it right off the bat he has his own style unlike 85-90% of comic book artists.
Oh trust me, the videos I stupidly comment on tend to lead to flame wars that if made physical would ignite the planet. *shakes*
And honestly, that still confuses me at times. I've heard some big people do LIKE his work and whenever I look at it I just go "why?".
It's hard to explain if you're someone who's really big on everything on the page being exactly right, what I call technical arts. Liefeld obviously isn't a hi-tech artist (meaning he doesn't have a ton of tricks in his wheelbarrow) but what he lacks in proficiency he makes up for in energy and just heart.
Yeah, his anatomy/perspective etc is off etc, but he's just gotten to a point now that his almost has his own visual language. lol. It's wrong but in his pages, it's right and means -->
Leave it to Dennis Miller to throw in some tacky juvenile sex jokes which he wrote beforehand and didn't even ad-lib. What a guy. But fun to see Rob Liefeld on there. He talks about this appearance on his podcast "Robservations" and apparently there was quite a bit of drama before the show started. An actor was PISSED OFF that Rob was going to be the first guest and not him. That's show biz!🤣
I use all my old copies of Youngblood #1 as toilet paper now, I just don't feel like they'd ever sell for 50k...
And all you donkeys going on about examples of Rob's art. From twenty years ago. Way to stay current, kids!
You all go on and on and on and on and on and on about how much you detest him, yet....can't stop talking about him.
I don't get it. First I hear that this guy is one of the most popular artists ever to hit the industry, but now Im hearing that this guy has sucks at what he's done his whole career.
Which is it. Is a good artist or a bad artist. And if he's a bad artist, why did so many people like his work back then. WHATS GOING ON HERE!!!!!?? IS HE GOOD OR BAD!!!!!??
Both people like him because he created Cable and Deadpool for MARVEL but when he struck out on his own at Image and created his "solo series" like Youngblood yeah everyone burned him at the stake because his characters were pretty much copy pastes of Cable and Deadpool in terms of body types and personallities and no I don't mean Deadpool's a few cards short of a full deck personallity that everyone loves I mean they're defining traits are "Shoot anything from the atoms on upwards."
Rob's a great artist and comics creator. Sadly, new characters and comics are always compared to current lines. It's something that every character creator goes through. Malibu/Ultraverse comics were hit bad as well but couldn't be any further from their comparisons.
Rob's biggest drawback, or at least back when I read his comics, was his art style. All of his male characters more ir less had the same exact face. Same with his female characters. He had a very unique style but in the end they tended to look the the same.
Believe he has grown out if that years ago.
BAD, it just appealed to a lot of kids...under 18 who couldnt draw....now they are the same ones trying to finish off comics with terrible art work like his.
He's the Michael Bay of comics only more divisive. Everyone seems to hate him in he inexplicably sells well so obviously some people must like him.
He does get some credit for creating some fan favourite characters but it should be pointed out it's not his versions that became hits.
i think most people hate rob is because of how terrible he is at drawing pretty much everything.
thats using a popular phrase completely out of context.
one mans trash is another mans treasure refers to what one person no longer wants/needs could be used by someone else. for example. things you find at a yard sale.
if some one doesn't like rob liefeld or his work, its merely just a matter of opinion.
That's true, but we have to remember that when someone is in total creative control over the direction a series is taking then that means absolutely nothing happens without that person's approval.
My best guess is Liefeld and Nicieza both agreed that Deadpool should be a relatively mouthy bastard played for laughs. Unless Fabian and Rob both come out and agree that it was all Fabian's idea for Deadpool then my guess is he's a machination of both their imaginations.
@mechaart I agree that his comics may have been over hyped back in the 90's, but I think nowadays he is over criticized.
I actually own all youngblood issues from 1992
--->something specific to him. The way someone jumps wrong or an incorrectly applied forced perspective. Like, it's wrong, but it still comes through what he's saying anyways.
Ultimately, Rob's just a guy (or kid) who just likes drawing at his core and has a lot of fun doing it.
The funny thing to me is that there are artists that do the exact same thing he does (his bad habits, sometimes worse) but they don't get lamblasted for it. Why? Because he's successful and folks hate that.
ITS GREAT TO SEE COMICS MAKING ITS POPULARITY MARK IN LINE WITH MANGA AND ANIME.but too bad all that money they made for Marvel and DC gets pissed away on the all twenty different batman/superman/ jojoman titles and wot not.
MARVEL doesnt have serious plans to make the their styles staples in the industry but at least they did their part. got the attention and moved past it.
Also true, but it is entirely possible that when Niceiza told Rob that Deadpool is Deathstroke and was given a joke name. Liefeld embraced it and just plotted him for laughs.
It wouldn't surprise me if a talented writer like Nicieza did the entirety of Deadpool's personality, but I'd like some confirmation on that first, and until then we do, we have to give Liefeld some amount of credit, afterall without his input Deadpool never would have been.
But Youngblood still sucks.
agreed on the fact that he let the fame get to him, but for me his work turned to cheese after youngblood 6...... and I know Karl Kesel wasn't working with him then...
Those who can, draw; those who can't, complain on RUclips.
Not really into his 90's work. And even he admitted it himself. Really, no one did, but over years, especially during this year he's actually doing much better in his art. Everything seems a bit more proportionate now than it did.
I have that comic
(snicker) 'kind of inspired'
Cocaine is a hell of a drug
@rushaholic
I really like Rob's early Marvel work. He just got worse and worse as business ventures took him away from drawing. It's also mind-boggling to think that Image was outselling Marvel and DC at one time! It was a historical moment for the industry, no doubt. Rumor has it that Rob made about $20 million during Image's heyday.
I wonder if he would have stayed at marvel a few more years if he would have had a better legacy. It seems his image characters did not stand up to the test of time.
shook up the industry is right - in all the wrong ways.
Karl Kesel was the inker who heavily 'repaired' his artwork., said that the guy was learning when he came to DC/ Marvel, but he let fame get to him.
It's bad seeing someone who has no talent whatsoever, but it is worse to see someone who wasted their talent. Liefeld wasted his, and could have learned so much more from a decent bridgman or Loomis book.
The part where he said Youngblood would be worth money later made me laugh XD Oh boy they were so far off XD
The same could be said for McFarlane's Spider-Man #1 or Spawn #1. And what about the death of Superman? The media was all over that one and people who never set foot inside a comic shop banked their kid's college education on it! Today they'd be lucky if it brought in enough to buy a textbook. USED!
mans awesome for all the haters listen close to all the women howling in the audience
@DodgerRiley Why is it a joke? What's wrong with it? Looks great to me. a little blocky, but it's still good.
never knew he created deadpool, but i always wondered why i hated the character
@venusprojection The Bendis line made me laugh... "squirted"
@DodgerRiley
Dude, he is part of a generation of artists who made the comic book industry + toys + cartoons. Your 33 thumbs ups are utter failures.
Actually, if you really want to go there, Liefeld didn't do that, Marvel and DC did, or are you forgetting adjective-less X-Men #1 and Death of Superman/Superman #75? Not to mention the speculators market has always been there well before Image rolled out.
And post-Image? Not to absolve Image of any wrongdoing because they have their fault in this as well, but do you also not remember the mountains of gimmicks Marvel (and to a lesser extend, DC) they rolled out?
I actually thought he was a better artist back then.... His stuff now really reeks of " I'm lazy." I don't know I really enjoyed his comics back then, and I think the only one who destroyed his "stardom" was himself.
@TheEmoticonMaster And Deadpool is one of the hottest characters in the Marvel Uni right now guess he got at least one thing right, eh?
@jellywillreturn Also, Rob Liefeld is like the Uwe Boll of the comic book industry. He makes bad comic books amd somehow he still has a job.
I'll give you that, Xmen did come out a year before Youngblood did. Liefeld didn't really help the process to say the least.
And death of superman doesn't really fit that category.
Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying Image is solely responsible for this. Pretty much every comic company, independent or big in the late 80s to early 90s was pulling this junk and still continues to today.
I'm a pretty young guy and I'm curious. Was youngblood good or bad when it came out? Did anyone actually like it for being good or just because it was a #1 from a brand new publisher?
+DotAHockeyWizard
As someone who grew up during the so called "Dark Age of Comics" i.e. the 90s, likely it sold good because it was a #1 from a new publisher complete with gimmicks such as flipping the comic over to read a second story and trading cards, and people believed it would be worth as much as Action Comics #1 so they bought upwards of 3,4 hell even 20 copies, and believe it or not Rob Liefeld was actually a very popular artist back then so people bought it just because it had his name on it assuming that yeah he's popular therefore it's automatically good. Yeah if we'd had the internet back then instead of just the magazines that praised the Artists non-stop, Rob probably would've been burned at the stake, and crucified....especally after that Heroes Reborn: Captain America travesty, i.e. the Comic So Bad that if you read it You Die
snakes3425 Jesus that's quite the indictment.
+DotAHockeyWizard
The reason a lot of people give Rob a break is because he created Deadpool and Cable....however that doesn't excuse his later actions above all his lateness: the story arc in the comic the're featuring in this segment it lasted from April 1992 till July 1993...it was only 7 issues long, yeah it took Rob over a year to finish what was suppose to be the debut story arc, and it gets better
Issue #1 April 1992
Issue #2: JUNE 1992...yeah it took Rob 2 months just to release the second youngblood comic. Hell it got so bad that the editor of Valiant Comics, who Image was working with on the Deathmate Crossover, had to go to Rob's house, and FORCE HIM to draw his part of the comic. Yeah anyone else would've been fired within a week if they pulled stuff like this
snakes3425 I guess that's why they created Image, so they could just be lazy comic book creators. That'd explain why spawn has always been so spotty. Sometimes it's brilliant and approaches Sandman levels of intrigue but most of the time it's just boring. They should thank they're lucky stars that Robert Kirkman's work will be long remembered rather than Youngblood or Spawn.
+DotAHockeyWizard
The intent with Image was that if you create something you control the rights, and there were those who clearly cared about their work....then you get Rob Liefeld who let his ego runaway with him and decided "hey I'm a founder of Image and the boss of Extreme Studios. I'm going to do what ever the hell I please." Yes he was in the end fired from Image and took all his characters with him
@TheEmoticonMaster He only created the look of Deadpool... Deadpool only gain his personalty that we all know and love after good and talented writers started to work on him. Before then Deadpool was just a run of the mile Youngblood like character with little or no personalty. I Wouldn't give Rob Liefeld that much credit. The only other character he made that is still truly being used is Cable.
its a rumor and also think back to the ninties unless ur a wierdo(no offense) he rocked back then ofcourse looking back at it now it suck and he is infact the only artist tht has not progressed over 20 years but hes self taught he deserves respect kinda.
@Se7enBeatleofDoom Well nothing's wrong with that, Cable is cool, but none the less I still don't think he's that bad and I respect him and all the founders of Image for they did.
@WorkSucksMedia Don't think that I was taking sides. I just found the choice of words funny in a juvenile way. It doesn't mean I agree. If I didn't like Liefeld I wouldn't have posted this video. Is he the greatest artist ever?... Uh, no. But I don't think Linkara or whoever is the reason why he gets so much negativity going his way.
@DodgerRiley Lol, no, no. I see where you are coming from. I'm not defending the guy, I'm not a real big fan myself, but I just don't see anything wrong with his art ... well, at least until now.