Natalie this was SO informative! I would LOVE to see a video like this directed to sellers. I myself would like to get started designing and publishing patterns, and seeing this comparison was extremely educational. I truly appreciate all the work that went into this video! Thank you so much. Happy Knitting!-Amy Kate
You can change quantity of “inventory” for Digital items on Etsy, so you don’t have to pay a listing fee on every transaction. I generally list 10 for a quantity so it sells out and then I can relist so it looks like a new listing to Etsy. Hopefully that makes my shop look fresher. I appreciate you doing this comparison because it really shows me that Ravelry is expensive to sell on. We knew Etsy was expensive and especially for products which I also sell. It is nice as a user to have patterns collected in one place though. But a lot of beginners don’t necessarily know about Ravelry and I sell to beginners. Thank you for sharing this! Very thorough!! ❤️
Pattymac Makes hi there! I have tried this, I set the inventory to 100 on each of my patterns, but I still get charged a listing fee of $0.20 each time the same item sells. Any clue if I’ve done something wrong? I am new to Etsy so I wouldn’t be shocked! That makes perfect sense. You know your audience and it drives your decision to sell. Very smart!
@@KnittyNatty Everything has different quantities, so maybe you need to pick a smaller number. I only go as high as 10 so I keep better track of what I'm selling.
Thank you so much Natalie for the in-depth information on Raverly and Etsy. I purchase most of my patterns on Raverly as they are stored in my Library, I had an issue with Etsy when I changed my email, I lost my patterns and shops that I had favorited over the years.
Wow super well organized video! I sell on both but I try and encourage people to buy on Ravelry for all of those reasons! Thanks for the thorough math!!
For international sellers the only way to get paid with Etsy is also through Paypal. Which makes Etsy even more expensive compared to Ravelry. But is great for beginner designs as beginners usually don't know Ravelry yet ;). .
Hortense Maskens good to know! Thanks for the info. You’re absolutely right about that- most people are already familiar with Etsy and will look there first!
This was great - so much information and all presented really clearly. I also sell patterns on Ravelry and Etsy and it was great to see it broken down like this. Thank you!
Just found you in my ‘recommended’ video que. this was a great video with wonderful information; great research that was broken down into easy bite-size snippets and easy to digest. Thank you!! My question: for someone who is just starting out, is it even feasible that you could make enough money to justify the cost incurred and the time spent dealing with an online crochet business? It appears to me that the time to enter would have been back in ’08 to ’15 at the latest. Now it seems to be a saturated market. To do well you need a web site, YT channel (as well as on other platforms), Instigram page, facebook page, as well as Etsy and Ravelry (if the political discrimination doesn’t bother you - people being kicked off if they voice support for current president - regardless of wether you love or hate him, do you stand up against the discrimination by not placing your items on the site (though you know you’ll lose money)/or/ do you use the sight knowing (or at least surmising) your little protest will not affect them in any way??) There are so many independent designers who already do all of the above things…..not to mention all of the yarn companies that also have a presence on these platforms. SO…………... Is it worth all of the work to keep all of that up _ as well as coming up with ideas, working out the details, and then writing the pattern -- especially with a now saturated field?
Michelle Nash hi Michelle!! You seem to be very passionate about crochet. I’d say if you have the desire that you should go for it, no matter how saturated the market seems. It takes time to discover your niche (I can’t say I’ve honed in on mine quite yet, but I feel that I’m getting closer!) so it’s okay to try a lot of different platforms starting out. Don’t overwhelm yourself trying to do it all at once though. As for anything that is controversial, it’s 100% what feels right to you. It’s okay to take your time to make this decision too. I choose to sell on both sites so that my customers can make the decision that is right for them. Okay I hope I answered all of your questions! I’m happy to dive deeper if you’d like. Just message me on Instagram (@knittynatty) or email me at knittynatty@gmail.com. Thank you for your kind words!
You should always follow your conscience - even if it doesn't affect anyone else or feels like your opinion is only a drop in an ocean of opinions. I primarily look for patterns on RUclips, then I follow the link to buy the pattern. On RUclips, there are starting to be more smaller gauge loom patterns, finally, but there are still way more 1" gauge patterns. If you find your "niche" then the people who primarily work in that area will search for your products. I'm a loom Knitter because I couldn't crochet anymore. Good luck!
That’s super informative. Had no idea that you pay (in my opinion) twice to one company after selling your product. (Like PayPal) Sounds not fair, but maybe I misunderstood something 🤔 At the end I was surprised that you not talked about value added tax / VAT. As a customer I noticed that this is a cost I have to pay on top of the 6$. In Germany we got 19 % VAT, therefore it’s 6$ plus 1,71$ = 7,71$ in total. Of course, it’s already translated to €, but only for a better explanation. Get Germany or the Tax Office the 19% immediately or does you have to transfer it somehow? It’s quite interesting to see what happen then it’s an international selling. That’s what happen more often thanks to internet 🙂
Elvedia Knits yeah it is sort of like paying twice! I think the flat fee is for the transfer of money and the percentage fee is how PayPal actually gets paid for their service. Good point! I kept it simple here and just used a US sale for my example. Ravelry sellers have a choice to either charge customers the VAT tax (which is the default) or pay the tax themselves. When you buy a pattern the tax portion initially goes to the designer, but at the end of the month Ravelry sends an invoice for their fees + the VAT taxes. So the taxes really go to Ravelry. Where they are allocated from there, I’m not sure!
Please read my comment I started with etsy but it costed like all of that from each sales and listing plus another of 10 dollar caulking it a monthly bill, I lost up a lot of money even tho I only made 9 sales over all, please make a video about both of them taking about which costs more and which less for designers. Ravelry is cheaper but is it worth it? Can I even make any sales? Please make a video on this
Thank you for the video. It's answered a question I've been struggling with. However, can you please help me on linking my PayPal account with my ravelry please.
HELP I have recently created a new paypal account for the business and I simply can't find WHERE on earth I can edit the payment information on Ravelry. IS there such a thing? I've never been paid on Ravelry, but if I heard you right, there is a monthly payment made to the designer? THANK YOU :D
I was happy to know that Etsy has patterns listed. Ravelry discriminates against conservatives and Trump supporters in general, so I won't use them. It's sad that they came to this decision, but I have sought out other sites such as designer's websites (and yarn shops like Church Mouse Yarns), Knitterly, Lovecraft and Etsy.
Natalie this was SO informative! I would LOVE to see a video like this directed to sellers. I myself would like to get started designing and publishing patterns, and seeing this comparison was extremely educational. I truly appreciate all the work that went into this video! Thank you so much.
Happy Knitting!-Amy Kate
The Dancing Needle so happy to help! Great! I will work on that one in the future. 😁
You can change quantity of “inventory” for Digital items on Etsy, so you don’t have to pay a listing fee on every transaction. I generally list 10 for a quantity so it sells out and then I can relist so it looks like a new listing to Etsy. Hopefully that makes my shop look fresher. I appreciate you doing this comparison because it really shows me that Ravelry is expensive to sell on. We knew Etsy was expensive and especially for products which I also sell. It is nice as a user to have patterns collected in one place though. But a lot of beginners don’t necessarily know about Ravelry and I sell to beginners. Thank you for sharing this! Very thorough!! ❤️
Pattymac Makes hi there! I have tried this, I set the inventory to 100 on each of my patterns, but I still get charged a listing fee of $0.20 each time the same item sells. Any clue if I’ve done something wrong? I am new to Etsy so I wouldn’t be shocked!
That makes perfect sense. You know your audience and it drives your decision to sell. Very smart!
Knitty Natty I’ll double check mine when I get back home. Maybe your quantity is too much. I set at 10 and haven’t had an issue but I’ll confirm it ❤️
Thanks for checking! I appreciate it.
@@KnittyNatty Everything has different quantities, so maybe you need to pick a smaller number. I only go as high as 10 so I keep better track of what I'm selling.
You get charged 0.20 USD every time something sells, the quantity you listed doesn't make a difference
Thank you so much Natalie for the in-depth information on Raverly and Etsy. I purchase most of my patterns on Raverly as they are stored in my Library, I had an issue with Etsy when I changed my email, I lost my patterns and shops that I had favorited over the years.
Jayleen Del Rio oh no! That’s a bummer. I do love the convenience of the Ravelry library!
Excellent breakdown of site costs! Thank you for your research 👍
Simply Maur crafting happy to help! 😁
Wow super well organized video! I sell on both but I try and encourage people to buy on Ravelry for all of those reasons! Thanks for the thorough math!!
Bella's Custom Crochets I totally understand! Happy to help! 😁
Thank you for the info!! Another video idea: Ribblr vs Ravelry or Ribblr vs Etsy (as they have new fees!!!)
For international sellers the only way to get paid with Etsy is also through Paypal. Which makes Etsy even more expensive compared to Ravelry. But is great for beginner designs as beginners usually don't know Ravelry yet ;). .
Hortense Maskens good to know! Thanks for the info. You’re absolutely right about that- most people are already familiar with Etsy and will look there first!
Great information. Never thought about the "buying in bulk" as far as PP feels are concerned. Good to know. Thanks.
The Dabbling Hook yes! It’s something I recently discovered. You are welcome!
Did you every create the Designer version of the pros and cons of Etsy VS Ravelry? I am curious!
Thank you for such an informative video. I'm a consumer and will try to employ your tip to purchase multiple patterns at once.
Thank you Natalie, so well explained!
Awesome 👏🏽 content Natalie!! Thank you!
Nadine Johnson aww thanks girl!
This was great - so much information and all presented really clearly. I also sell patterns on Ravelry and Etsy and it was great to see it broken down like this. Thank you!
Catherine Noronha so happy to help!
Thank you for this video. This really cleared up a lot of questions I had.
Thank you so much for this podcast. It was very helpful
Debra Norman you’re very welcome!
Just found you in my ‘recommended’ video que. this was a great video with wonderful information; great research that was broken down into easy bite-size snippets and easy to digest. Thank you!!
My question: for someone who is just starting out, is it even feasible that you could make enough money to justify the cost incurred and the time spent dealing with an online crochet business?
It appears to me that the time to enter would have been back in ’08 to ’15 at the latest. Now it seems to be a saturated market. To do well you need a web site, YT channel (as well as on other platforms), Instigram page, facebook page, as well as Etsy and Ravelry (if the political discrimination doesn’t bother you - people being kicked off if they voice support for current president - regardless of wether you love or hate him, do you stand up against the discrimination by not placing your items on the site (though you know you’ll lose money)/or/ do you use the sight knowing (or at least surmising) your little protest will not affect them in any way??)
There are so many independent designers who already do all of the above things…..not to mention all of the yarn companies that also have a presence on these platforms.
SO…………...
Is it worth all of the work to keep all of that up _ as well as coming up with ideas, working out the details, and then writing the pattern -- especially with a now saturated field?
Michelle Nash hi Michelle!! You seem to be very passionate about crochet. I’d say if you have the desire that you should go for it, no matter how saturated the market seems.
It takes time to discover your niche (I can’t say I’ve honed in on mine quite yet, but I feel that I’m getting closer!) so it’s okay to try a lot of different platforms starting out. Don’t overwhelm yourself trying to do it all at once though.
As for anything that is controversial, it’s 100% what feels right to you. It’s okay to take your time to make this decision too. I choose to sell on both sites so that my customers can make the decision that is right for them.
Okay I hope I answered all of your questions! I’m happy to dive deeper if you’d like. Just message me on Instagram (@knittynatty) or email me at knittynatty@gmail.com. Thank you for your kind words!
You should always follow your conscience - even if it doesn't affect anyone else or feels like your opinion is only a drop in an ocean of opinions.
I primarily look for patterns on RUclips, then I follow the link to buy the pattern. On RUclips, there are starting to be more smaller gauge loom patterns, finally, but there are still way more 1" gauge patterns.
If you find your "niche" then the people who primarily work in that area will search for your products.
I'm a loom Knitter because I couldn't crochet anymore.
Good luck!
Excellent - so helpful!
I would really like to see a seller one as i am a new designer and it seems that no one talks about it
Thank you for doing this video
Rebecca Buck of course! 😘
That’s super informative. Had no idea that you pay (in my opinion) twice to one company after selling your product. (Like PayPal)
Sounds not fair, but maybe I misunderstood something 🤔
At the end I was surprised that you not talked about value added tax / VAT. As a customer I noticed that this is a cost I have to pay on top of the 6$.
In Germany we got 19 % VAT, therefore it’s 6$ plus 1,71$ = 7,71$ in total. Of course, it’s already translated to €, but only for a better explanation.
Get Germany or the Tax Office the 19% immediately or does you have to transfer it somehow?
It’s quite interesting to see what happen then it’s an international selling. That’s what happen more often thanks to internet 🙂
Elvedia Knits yeah it is sort of like paying twice! I think the flat fee is for the transfer of money and the percentage fee is how PayPal actually gets paid for their service.
Good point! I kept it simple here and just used a US sale for my example. Ravelry sellers have a choice to either charge customers the VAT tax (which is the default) or pay the tax themselves. When you buy a pattern the tax portion initially goes to the designer, but at the end of the month Ravelry sends an invoice for their fees + the VAT taxes. So the taxes really go to Ravelry. Where they are allocated from there, I’m not sure!
thank you❤ for this video
Fantastic. Thank you so much!
Pamela's Crochet & Knit Corner you’re welcome! 😁
Thank you for all information.
Dejar etsy, how many balls of yarn do l need for a médium sweater
Do anyone’s know ribblr?
Please read my comment
I started with etsy but it costed like all of that from each sales and listing plus another of 10 dollar caulking it a monthly bill, I lost up a lot of money even tho I only made 9 sales over all, please make a video about both of them taking about which costs more and which less for designers. Ravelry is cheaper but is it worth it? Can I even make any sales? Please make a video on this
Thank you.
thank you for video I'm confused how to get my pattern sale money earnings off Raverly to my account?
Only via PayPal account
Wait a minute! If Ravelry already took 3.5%, then how can PayPal charge 2.91% of the $6??
Shouldn't they be looking at the $5.79 figure?
The customer pays PayPal $6.00 when they buy the pattern. So that is the transaction fee for paypal. They never see the Ravelry fees.
Thank you for the video. It's answered a question I've been struggling with. However, can you please help me on linking my PayPal account with my ravelry please.
HELP
I have recently created a new paypal account for the business and I simply can't find WHERE on earth I can edit the payment information on Ravelry. IS there such a thing? I've never been paid on Ravelry, but if I heard you right, there is a monthly payment made to the designer?
THANK YOU :D
Did you find a solution to this ? I think I'm struggling with the same
I was happy to know that Etsy has patterns listed. Ravelry discriminates against conservatives and Trump supporters in general, so I won't use them. It's sad that they came to this decision, but I have sought out other sites such as designer's websites (and yarn shops like Church Mouse Yarns), Knitterly, Lovecraft and Etsy.
Maggie'sGrace yes Etsy has patterns! Most of the designers I know try to list their patterns in multiple places so their buyers have options. 👍🏼
Politics do not belong on such sites. They are for knit and crochet snd needlearts, not political views.
🌹🌹Thank you for this. 🧶🤓💕🌹
Elizabeth Pierre of course!
But: if the customer pays $6.00, PayPal will charge you for the whole $6.00. You're bad math 🤦