Why RCBO's are BETTER than RCD's | Thomas Nagy

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  • Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
  • I finally settle the debate on which is better, an RCD or an RCBO!
    I go into more detail in response to some of the comments I received in episode 2 of Nagy weekly where I discussed the reasons why I prefer RCBO's as opposed to fitting RCS's.
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    🔵 0:00 - Intro
    🔴 1:17 - Replacing main switch with an RCD (PROBLEM!)
    🔵 3:22 - More circuits = More leakage
    🔴 3:37 - Why dual RCD boards are not made for big town houses!
    🔵 7:00 - The dangers of a dual RCD board for electricians
    🔴 9:35 - RCBO's are SAFER than an RCD
    🔵 11:18 - Different types of circuit breakers
    🔴 12:37 - RCD will not detect DC leakage
    🔵 14:02 - The price difference
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Комментарии • 458

  • @d4sgroup
    @d4sgroup 2 года назад +65

    You’d make a great teacher Tom!

    • @haldo691
      @haldo691 2 года назад +3

      Not sure about that the swearing would be an issue lol

    • @coralbay00
      @coralbay00 2 года назад +4

      @@haldo691 be a less boring teacher though. Guaranteed pupils would soak up the info with a good down to earth individual throwing in the odd swear word 👌

    • @Mike_5
      @Mike_5 2 года назад +5

      @@haldo691 Guess you have never done a College Course then?

    • @titmando1199
      @titmando1199 2 года назад +3

      @@haldo691 my lecturer now for my 2391 course he's got a mouth on him and insults you quite often but it a funny way not an abusive way, being down to earth and teaching like that makes it much more easy to absorb his knowledge.

  • @robswingler
    @robswingler 2 года назад +14

    I agree that dual rcd aren’t the best but in a court of law you would show them page 36 - 37 of the on site guide which completely contradicts the 2 x regs you said and approves the use of dual rcd boards.

  • @jamesashdown3280
    @jamesashdown3280 2 года назад +28

    The new camera is sure good, great res and super quality pic!
    Nice work on the Lighting even got a back light in too!
    Great content as ever. Full respect

    • @ZanderKaneUK
      @ZanderKaneUK 2 года назад +1

      Just me or is the camera wobbling up and down though ?

  • @jaymitchell1181
    @jaymitchell1181 2 года назад +14

    The willy on the notice board lol

    • @brenttobin4755
      @brenttobin4755 2 года назад +1

      Good spot! Fair old todger it is too

  • @anthonybragg
    @anthonybragg 2 года назад +19

    I am surprised that dual RCD boards are still being sold with AC RCD's

    • @LinuxFuter
      @LinuxFuter 2 года назад +1

      I'm suprised they didn't ban instalation of AC RCD's like in Germany.

  • @igorantczak3567
    @igorantczak3567 2 года назад +22

    Loving the constant uploads Tom, keep it up!

  • @smikers100
    @smikers100 2 года назад +9

    Totally agree Tom, I wouldn't fit anything else than RCBO.

    • @ryan543213
      @ryan543213 2 года назад +1

      In Australia every circuit has it own 30ma RCBO. Easy as to install and easy fault finds

    • @farmingace1015
      @farmingace1015 2 года назад

      the guy i work with does a bit of both he puts lights on rcbos and then puts the rest split across two rcd

  • @coralbay00
    @coralbay00 2 года назад +5

    You and dave savoury are awesome sparks. So informative. Cleared up a few things in my struggles 🙌

  • @cjkokay
    @cjkokay 2 года назад +8

    I am amazed that UK has not regulated the AC type out. NZ has been type A for a very long time now and a max of 3 MCB downstream per RCD.
    I would prefer RCBO as it also has less space as we have to fit double pole version.

    • @kittsdiy
      @kittsdiy 2 года назад

      ah NZ also double pole MCB's ? Type AC is in Belgium already 10-20 years not allowed in new builts . But no limitation of the amount of MCB's after the RCD ..

  • @cjselectrical
    @cjselectrical 2 года назад +4

    Often RCD protection is not needed on EV charging circuits if there is RCD protection (usually 6mA) built into the unit itself. A type AC RCD won't trip because the DC current will actually freeze the RCD in place - that's how a no-trip Zs test works.
    Great video Tom, keep them coming 👍

  • @davidpatterson1574
    @davidpatterson1574 2 года назад +1

    Thanks Tom, excellent explanation

  • @robinhadley
    @robinhadley 2 года назад +9

    I bought a 7 way Fusebox board for my shed and Rcbos. Way overboard for what I need but it was cheap and I know whatever I put in the shed/workshop will be protected.
    I think it was only £120 for the lot.

  • @Leonard_Smith
    @Leonard_Smith 2 года назад +1

    Thanks for the clarification.

  • @bertiebassett1972
    @bertiebassett1972 2 года назад +17

    Haven’t fitted a split load in 8 years.
    Once I’ve explained the benefits of rcbos to a client they are totally on board especially the bonus of finding their own faults.
    I had a customer ring me up the other day saying they unplugged all their appliances like I trained them to and it was the kettle! They were so chuffed and pleased it didn’t cost themselves nothing😊
    Now induction hobs are common type A’s will prove their worth as well as solar etc.
    Time to let go of split load boards, old tech 😊

    • @alerighi
      @alerighi 2 года назад +1

      To isolate faults you don't need RCBO. You just need one RCD and dual pole breakers (as is the standard on my country). Dual pole breakers are very cheap (basically the same price of a single pole), and to isolate the fault is simple: turn off all the breakers, turn on the RCD. If it trips, then it's the RCD fault. If it stays up, turn on the breakers one by one, when you find the one that trips it, you found the circuit that has the fault. It's so simple that my mother knows how to do that.
      Yes, when it trips you loose the power to the entire house. As you do in a power outage, or in my country if you exceed the amount of power that you can draw from the grid by your contract (yes, thanks smart electricity meters). If it trips 1 time at year it's a lot, and all the times that it did it was because I was doing stupid things like repairing stuff without an isolation transformer and accidentally made a short to ground. If the RCD trips it's always a fault, and the fault must be fixed, it shouldn't trip for nothing.

    • @timg6850
      @timg6850 2 года назад

      @@alerighi The point Tom is making here is all circuits that have an Earth wire (CPC ) will leak current, generally in the region of 1-5 ma each. This all adds up and can cause nuisance tripping as the RCD is protecting multiple circuits and is designed to trip at around 25 ma of leakage current . RCBO's get around this problem as it only protects one circuit and therefore you have "room" for 25 ma leakage on the circuit.

    • @JasperJanssen
      @JasperJanssen 2 года назад

      @@timg6850 in the Netherlands, regs say max 4 circuits on one RCD. So a 14 circuit board would have to be a 4-RCD board. There’s no real need to go straight to 1 RCD per circuit just for that issue.
      That said in modernity the price differential is so small…

    • @TheEulerID
      @TheEulerID 10 месяцев назад

      @@alerighi Not necessarily, as leakage currents can accumulate. You just found the one that took it over the threshold. With the increased use of modern electronics there is naturally more leakage current, and if there are, say, 10 circuits on a single RCD then it's more likely to trip.
      There are plenty of videos around of electricians having trouble diagnosing what is causing a trip on those RCD boards. They go round turning circuits on one by one and don't find the problem. Also, that mechanism doesn't work with intermittent faults. At least with an RCBO and it's intermittent, then you know which circuit it is. You do not get that with an RCD and many circuits.
      The only downside of RCBOs is they cost a bit more in the first place. However, factored over the life of the unit they are in, it's a very small cost and has a lot of benefit to the householder, and saves time and hence money in locating the problem.
      nb. the intermittent fault issue is not theoretical - it happened in my mother's house, where an intermittent fault was happening, and gradually getting worse. At least with RCBOs, we knew which circuit it was, and the problem was isolated to that.

  • @stevelambert6689
    @stevelambert6689 2 года назад

    Your spot-on with your RCD comment. I had two fuse boards fitted when the property was rewired back in 1981. When the eldest came along in 1986 I fitted one RCD to supply these consumer unit's (quite expensive at the time). The problem I had being nearly every time the supply switched off and on in quick succession due to a fault in the area, the trip would go off as well and have to be reset. Finaly changed the set-up to one consumer unit last year with RCBO's. It's been tested a few times by external influences and everything still remains on.

  • @channelejg5862
    @channelejg5862 2 года назад

    Very good Tom indeed! Love how you got the LED running lights on the van in the background too👌🏻

  • @billverdon2085
    @billverdon2085 2 года назад +7

    Great video as always. Totally agree about RCBO's. Spent lot's of time investigating faults with dual RCD boards. Many people do not understand that there are different types of RCD too. Hope to see more of your outside commercial work. All the best from Bill

  • @RaithUK
    @RaithUK 2 года назад +9

    I only ever fit RCBO boards and with Type A rcd not AC and always chuck in the SPD as well. I simply wont fit type AC or a split-load boards unless there is a very specific requirement.

  • @abcelectric
    @abcelectric 2 года назад +1

    Totally agree with you Tom. Been fitting Hager Type A RCBO boards for the last 2 years. Won't quote or fit a split load RCD board anymore as I don't think they're fit for purpose. As you say, if the client wants a split load board then I don't want that client

  • @harkamelrandhawa7125
    @harkamelrandhawa7125 Месяц назад

    Much appreciated for your efforts in this video and shedding light on.

  • @darkdepth1991
    @darkdepth1991 2 года назад +1

    Thank you for explaining Thomas !👍

  • @hillppari
    @hillppari 2 года назад +4

    here i am still using those old school bottle glass fuses in my house and it works fine.

    • @handyandy6050
      @handyandy6050 2 года назад

      Well at least you've got an "overcurrent" protection device!

  • @roamingwithrej
    @roamingwithrej 2 года назад +2

    This is one of your best videos IMO (as a trainee electrician)! Please create more videos like this and you’ll be getting 👍🏽 on a regular basis from me and others I’m sure 😁

  • @kristhox
    @kristhox 2 года назад +5

    Another advantage with RCBO's is with lightning strike, there's a really small chance of it tripping unlike RCD's who are much more sensitive. In Norway we stopped installing RCD's for 10-12 years ago except for Type B RCD which is mandatory to install with EV's (regulated in 2014) Only when we install a wallcharger with DC filter (Easee Home charger) there's no need for type B RCD

  • @datsunruss
    @datsunruss 2 года назад +2

    Great explanation and reasoning 👍👍

  • @danelaw1902
    @danelaw1902 2 месяца назад

    Many thanks for that, instructive and enjoyable. This gives me more confidence to discuss what I really want the electrician who will be swapping out my old (fuse-wire cartridge) fusebox with a consumer unit, to supply and fix.
    Although our house is not a large one, I feel happier with RCBO's-makes sense to me.

  • @tedgreen9006
    @tedgreen9006 2 года назад +2

    I’m learning more from you than my college teacher and on my last year in college (level 3) :/. Always open to an apprenticeship 😁👍

  • @barrydoherty636
    @barrydoherty636 2 года назад +1

    Interesting video, well done.

  • @humphshumphs
    @humphshumphs 2 года назад +1

    Have to say that was a brilliant explanation. Keep throwing this sort of video into the mix, and it will help so many people. Thanks.

  • @tceng9449
    @tceng9449 2 года назад +3

    I think there is a (slightly backwards) reason to occasionally use RCDs. That is where you've got a circuit that might trip an RCD but you wouldn't notice quickly and it would cause issues if off for a long period.
    In a similar vein to running the smoke alarms from a lighting circuit because you might turn the alarms off but you wouldn't want to lose the lights.
    Say you have a sewage processor on its own RCBO, it trips, you don't notice for a week, you've got a week's worth of poo that hasn't been dealt with.
    Or you've got a garage with freezer. Put that on a radial fed from an RCBO, it trips, no one notices for a few days, melted freezer.
    If those had also tripped the internet then you might have saved a bunch of smelly stuff. Short of having DBs that have some sort of alarm when a circuit trips, it can occasionally be advantageous to not keep a circuit to itself.
    Power or phase loss or alarms are a thing, however you have to get over the aversion to fitting non standard things on a DIN rail (which is standard practice in a lot of areas).

    • @jdaley197931
      @jdaley197931 2 года назад +1

      I think there is room for improvement in alarms or even wifi/bluetooth communication of a tripped RCBO. As Tom mentioned in the video, putting too many circuits on one rcd can lead to excessive dc currents preventing an AC RCD from tripping due to an AC fault.

    • @tceng9449
      @tceng9449 2 года назад

      @@jdaley197931 I have built systems to send me alerts when power fails to things, including battery backups so they can tell me when the power to them fails. But like you say it's unusual.
      Most of the time at home it's obvious, but not always.

  • @stephendavies923
    @stephendavies923 2 года назад +4

    Great work, great content and couldn't agree with you more Tom. If fitting new protection then why not do it right first time?

  • @rowles13
    @rowles13 2 года назад +1

    Excellent video.....

  • @PhilC184
    @PhilC184 2 года назад +1

    Good explanation. A single RCD board lead me to have to remotely get an electrician into our house while on holiday after damp and a nicked wire in the garage caused everything to trip out. She suggested and RCBO board to avoid the problem in future and I was happy to pay.

  • @simonleyland7492
    @simonleyland7492 2 года назад +6

    I have no idea how ended up here but I keep coming back. Not even in any trade but here we are

    • @thomasnagy
      @thomasnagy  2 года назад +2

      Well I’m glad you’re back Simon 💪🏽

  • @richardbinnie
    @richardbinnie 2 года назад +3

    As an old retired plumber I have no understanding what you are talking about BUT I really enjoy watching. Thanks for the excellent enjoyable and entertaining content. Good luck with everything you are doing.

  • @tony-yp6qk
    @tony-yp6qk 2 года назад +1

    Another great video has always Thomas 👍

  • @dssumner
    @dssumner 2 года назад +1

    Great and informative video Tom as always. What if you have a TT supply, can you use single pole RCBO's or do you need double pole?

  • @mk4electrical
    @mk4electrical 2 года назад +3

    Great video, I personally avoid fitting dual rcd boards for same reasons you mentioned in video (present faults) no rcd prior. After explaining benefits to the client of type A rcbo's boards (future profing/safety) 95% of my clients go ahead with RCBO boards. Fusebox Type 2 SPD loaded whith RCBO's is my standard setup currently.

  • @garrygriffithselectricalse843
    @garrygriffithselectricalse843 2 года назад +1

    Spot on 👍

  • @jesseoconnell4369
    @jesseoconnell4369 2 года назад +3

    That opening shot with the black bucket truck and LED running lights behind you in the bright orange jacket looked so cool!!!

    • @thomasnagy
      @thomasnagy  2 года назад +1

      I’m glad someone noticed ;)

    • @jesseoconnell4369
      @jesseoconnell4369 2 года назад

      @@thomasnagy couldn't help it, looks the job!

    • @jesseoconnell4369
      @jesseoconnell4369 2 года назад

      @@thomasnagy Fantastic video, absolutely agree with RCBO argument, recommend it every time, worth every penny of the extra cash

  • @pwaelectricalltd29
    @pwaelectricalltd29 2 года назад +6

    I just couldn’t imagine fitting anything less than RCBO’s now. We will see an increase in electronic equipment in houses, driving the requirement for A type’s. You certainly don’t want to be in a situation were type AC RCD’s are blinded by DC leakage. Offering Surge Protection and AFDD’s will also become far more prevalent.

  • @womagrid
    @womagrid 2 года назад +8

    Owing to a small computer infestation, I had RCDs replaced with RCBOs years ago because cumulative earth leakage current was causing nuisance tripping. This will only get worse with more people working from home and the IOT.

  • @andrewpowell6457
    @andrewpowell6457 2 года назад

    Thank You Tom for explaining all that very informative.

  • @orangemonkeykiller
    @orangemonkeykiller 2 года назад +1

    Love the rant. I feel this

  • @0liver0verson9
    @0liver0verson9 2 года назад +7

    Betty Crocker must be sick of electricians messing about in her house?

    • @thomasnagy
      @thomasnagy  2 года назад +2

      She sure it 😂😂😂

    • @stephenbaxter3369
      @stephenbaxter3369 2 года назад

      @@thomasnagy Next thing she will be asking Tom to wire up her Christmas tree lights!

  • @brianwood5220
    @brianwood5220 2 года назад +8

    Great argument Tom, but you have to work within the customers budget. I. like you; think RCBO's are the best. In fact the Wylex combined RCBO/Arc Fault Protection Devices are probably better again and combine that with a Surge Protection Unit and you've got the best money can buy. If i was having a board change and money was no object, i would go for the best money could buy.

    • @stuartcraigon2003
      @stuartcraigon2003 2 года назад

      Why would you not, I mean you want to protect yourself, your home and your possessions right? Surely! 🤷‍♂️👏

    • @leexgx
      @leexgx 2 года назад +1

      At best it's £50-60 vs split box (splitting hairs over £60 when the installation of everything's going to be like £500 or more anyway to do the work)

    • @darylsavage119
      @darylsavage119 2 года назад

      As he makes the point, £50 is not enough of a price difference when your talking about this level of safety.
      As for the wylex AFDDs. Yes they're safer, if you know what their limitations are. As for their price? £160 EACH
      So you've a 10 way board that's now gona cost you the guts of £2k instead of £200
      One of their main limitations? Your gona have to split all your rings and use them as radials now instead, meaning on a house with 10ways with 3 being rings you now need a 14way board and 3 more AFDDs putting your cost well over 2k

  • @richweston6202
    @richweston6202 2 года назад +1

    Thank you, I have learnt a lot from this upload, brilliant 😀

  • @raymondfloyd9046
    @raymondfloyd9046 2 года назад

    These videos are very educational.

  • @kingofthetrowel1725
    @kingofthetrowel1725 2 года назад +1

    Nice one mate new subscriber 👌👌

  • @PhillipParr
    @PhillipParr 2 года назад +1

    3 bed town house built 2013 - can confirm dual RCD board. Something else to add to my list!

  • @Graeme566
    @Graeme566 2 года назад +3

    RIP Betty Crocker

  • @l31fos15
    @l31fos15 2 года назад +1

    Tom! Anymore info on the mech you teased about a few videos ago!?

  • @colinturner7363
    @colinturner7363 2 года назад +1

    i fully concur with what your saying abour dual rcd boards against rcbo RCBO boards for me every day.

  • @robertharvey9698
    @robertharvey9698 2 года назад +4

    Any ideas as to where you can get the mini /compact Crabtree Starbreaker RCBOs at a sensible price? They are about 3 times the figure you mentioned 😕

  • @thedroneguy2024
    @thedroneguy2024 2 года назад +2

    I've tickled your like button. I will be going for a STI test tomorrow :)

  • @TheDaf95xf
    @TheDaf95xf 2 года назад +1

    Tom. Couldn’t have a better teacher than you matey 👍🏻

  • @michaelgorman1359
    @michaelgorman1359 2 года назад +1

    Large residential properties don’t lend themselves to the std U.K. wiring format template. It’s really S distribution board type approach. RCBO’s have been a god send.

  • @alexsidorov8899
    @alexsidorov8899 2 года назад +2

    I just stopped installing them all together on my rewires, but don't have any call backs on previous installs I done before. I guess it's all about how you install it. One job luckily I installed a RCBO board because an USB socket next to kettle was tripping kitchen sockets and it's only caused the kitchen sockets to trip.

  • @RichardArblaster
    @RichardArblaster 2 года назад

    Great video 😎

  • @nooooola5335
    @nooooola5335 2 года назад +3

    Great video

  • @handyandy6050
    @handyandy6050 2 года назад +4

    Preaching to the converted, Tom.
    Love RCBO boards. Quite simply, the faulty circuit will obviously (hopefully)! only take out the RCBO that supplies it.
    Minimal circuits go down in the house, fair chance most (or enough) lighting will stay on.
    Straight away, you can see which circuit has caused the trip, potentially leading you into the cause of the problem a bit quicker.
    With fault finding, trying to find that gitting appliance causing the trip, you are only tripping out the circuit concerned, not half, or all of the house.
    Recently, friend of mine had a nuisance trip. Always at about 3am. Driving him and missus potty.
    "Standard" board, one rcd protecting everything. Told him he would have to be very patient and methodical, and basically go into "Sherlock Holmes" mode. Eventually found the prob, a very ancient, tucked away old doorbell psu from previous owner, that hadn't been disconnected.
    Suggested if he could afford it, get a board upgrade, and all RCBOs.
    Moved into new house recently, upgraded a few things, put a new board in, all RCBOs. Nice compact board, smaller than old plastic board, even with more circuits! (Intruder alarm used to be spurred off upstairs lights on a 2.5mm cable! - presumably by an alarm engineer). Now on its own circuit. Lots of space to work inside the board, as I chose the "new" compact RCBOs. Love how, when Crabtree launched theirs, they said "same price as the larger ones". Also like them as they provide double pole switching, completely isolating the circuit. Great for testing, and also less nuisance tripping if you are working on an "isolated" circuit, and do the old trip out by accidentally touching the neutral or something like that.
    The RCBOs are all type Bs.
    You briefly mentioned surge protection, Tom. It seems to be the current "flavour of the moment". I know a lot of leccies have mixed views on it, and like you say, can also depend on where you are as to if there is a great need for it. There could be an argument that most domestic premises have managed without it for years, so why the compelling need for it now? My thoughts are that if you've got a suitable RCBO populated board, you've probably got a good amount of reasonable protection, certainly the most protection that has been afforded for years. (Think back to double pole rewireable fuses - a miracle if they were wired correctly with the correct fuse wire, or more likely a nail or tin foil in the place of fuse wire).
    Also another "flavour of the moment" seems to be AFDDs. Again, do you think they offer any realistic extra protection, particularly for domestic premises, or to be cynical, is it a way to just flog a bit more hardware for the consumer unit?
    I think John Ward has tried to do some "real life" (or as "real life" as possible) tests with AFDDs with some results that might question the claimed effectiveness of these devices.
    Would you do a chat with your thoughts on surge protection and AFDDs, particularly for domestic premises sometime, Tom?
    Also why has someone appeared to have drawn a "thingy" on the flipchart?

    • @thomasnagy
      @thomasnagy  2 года назад +1

      Thank you for your input Andy. It is nice to read up on experiences from other electricians :) That would make an interesting video to talk about surge protection and AFDDs :)

  • @DingleyDell
    @DingleyDell 2 года назад +3

    I completely agree with your sentiments; protect/isolate each circuit. But if power is lost, a property will be dark regardless of the fuse board contents. Would you be a proponent of battery backup emergency lighting?, it may save Betty in a power outage.

    • @stuartcraigon2003
      @stuartcraigon2003 2 года назад

      I think at least 1 in every 4 downlights should be required to be emergency back up. I don't know what the lux or count level is in commercial but emergency lighting is legally required in commercial and public so why not res?

  • @jongurney
    @jongurney 2 года назад +2

    Also, typically double pole on RCBOs so will disconnect the neutral too. :)

  • @howardmonkman3707
    @howardmonkman3707 2 года назад +1

    Great video Tom learnt a lot from it and I think ur right about rcbo is the way especially now that prices for them have come down a lot for them 👍👍

  • @kevinbowden1155
    @kevinbowden1155 2 года назад +1

    Great video, not a sparky but bloody love stuff like this

  • @zumber2811
    @zumber2811 2 года назад +6

    Its all about price. Even council housing CU upgrades still only want Dual RCD board to comply with 18th Edition. They dont even want SPD installed despite it being mandatory nowadays.

    • @michaelwebster6219
      @michaelwebster6219 2 года назад

      I worked with a spark so know a few things. I qiuks pull stuff up with my houseing lady and cheap shoddy work with something. What could kill some 1 she looked at me like I was a mug and knew sod all she was a witch she disnt stay long after I made her look a fool

    • @Mainly_Electrical
      @Mainly_Electrical 2 года назад +2

      Surge is not mandatory

    • @stephenbaxter3369
      @stephenbaxter3369 2 года назад +1

      This is where we must learn from Grenfell. The same high standard must apply in every property and we must never accept 2nd rate.

    • @charliechristmas5147
      @charliechristmas5147 2 года назад

      @@Mainly_Electrical absolutely.....good practice only at the moment

  • @e5Group
    @e5Group 2 года назад +4

    Well done 👍
    Technical Tom👍

  • @kegymorgan3278
    @kegymorgan3278 2 года назад +1

    I love your rants !!!!!

  • @danwoodz9102
    @danwoodz9102 Год назад

    Hi Tom totally loving the channel keep it up but i have one question ..... looking at the top right hand side of your board are you now going to go by Thomas Sagy ???

  • @dougsaunders8109
    @dougsaunders8109 2 года назад +2

    100% with you Tom. I had our board changed under v17 of the regs a few years ago. We have a fault on one of our circuits. Dual RCD board. Every time it trips we lose our lights.
    Given what I know know, I would have RCBO board fitted. At the time I had a separate garage board independent of the house because I go out into the empire of dirt and play with stuff. Trips often. Does not effect the house. Also I can turn off the house which then safe while any work is being done in the house. I still have power in the house via an extension and vice versa.
    Put it another way, why would you not have an RCBO board? Considering the % price of labour against the price of fuse board change how much are you saving?

  • @jamieyoung4665
    @jamieyoung4665 2 года назад +1

    It's weird that I knew this but didn't know this at the same time...
    in Australia we don't really see this problem, as only much older places are slapped onto a single rcd.
    In newer installations to be compliant we must have a 'maximum' of 3 circuits to an rcd and it must be split between lighting and power per rcd.
    So at a minimum in a new installation, your hws, ac, oven and hot plate ect. are on their own rcbo, but then you would have a couple rcds with power. power, light. (purely because of the price).
    I'm definitely going to remember this video if I'm ever fault finding in an older place!
    Thankyou for the video Tom!

    • @leexgx
      @leexgx 2 года назад +2

      Silly thing is 1 RCD and 3 mcbs the cost at that point it's not far off just buying 3 RCBOs

  • @Blackf1ngers
    @Blackf1ngers 2 года назад +2

    If you do social housing work you'll be aware that the majority of HAs now dictate that RCBOs are required on board changes, even in tiny flats. Go and work on massive houses in the sticks and you'll find boards with main switch RCDs everywhere!

  • @jakea3419
    @jakea3419 2 года назад +3

    Smiley face got a small winky lol 😂

  • @RDFContent
    @RDFContent 2 года назад

    Very educational, thank you.

  • @effervescence5664
    @effervescence5664 2 года назад +2

    I hate dual RCD boards and stopped fitting them a few years ago. Lost count of the amount of home owners that have fitted USB sockets to every outlet in their houses and their dual RCD boards keep tripping due to leakage. They never 100% complied due to selectivity anyway and it's honestly time they were phased out.

  • @stephenokon284
    @stephenokon284 2 года назад +6

    Enjoyed the video and you are so right. I’ve been installing RCBO boards as standard now with SPD as well for about 2 years. RCD split boards are the thing of the past as far as I am concerned and when I price jobs it’s for RCBO boards, I will not entertain the ‘cheap’ option.

  • @mintsauce563
    @mintsauce563 2 года назад +3

    Best sparky content on RUclips ⚡💪

  • @elco_os9355
    @elco_os9355 2 года назад

    That is why in the Netherlands the regs state that there should me a maximum of 4 circuits behind a RCD in order to prevent nuicance tripping. It is common here to see boards with multiple rcd's. Also the regs recommend that you should divide your circuits in such a way that there is always some light in the vicinity when a circuit or rcd trips.

  • @johnshepherd5673
    @johnshepherd5673 Год назад

    Spot on 👌👌

  • @dannycrooks8462
    @dannycrooks8462 2 года назад +3

    I'm not a sparky but even I understand how rcbos are better and it's only common sense loving these videos 👍🏻

  • @jwong9112
    @jwong9112 Год назад

    Great video! Question: is there a benefit if I use RCD enabled power outlets for my home appliances while having the board equipped with RCBO? Would this be a duplication of effort?

  • @leebutterworth7465
    @leebutterworth7465 2 года назад +1

    Totally agree with your comments on the unsuitability of dual RCD on properties I’ve refused to install them for the last 15 years, if you spend the time go explain in plain English the difference between dual RCD and RCBO’s most people accept the idea of the RCBO boards and pay the extra for them.
    The big issue of dual RCD boards is then the previous electrician has install the upstairs and downstairs lighting circuits on the old Wylex board with rewireable fuses and has shared a neutral you can’t split the circuits on either of the RCD’s at least with RCBO’s you can keep them on one breaker because all the ring final circuits will be on separate RCBO’s meaning there’s always a lamp that can be used to illuminate their way downstairs

  • @aquahits5674
    @aquahits5674 2 года назад +2

    Keep teaching tom your good 👍

  • @TheEulerID
    @TheEulerID 2 года назад +1

    I am not a fan of over-regulation, but in my view twin RCD CUs ought to be phased out and all RCBO units used (with the advantage that you get four more slots in the same space). The extra cost is insignificant over the lifetime of the units.
    When my parent's house has the old fuseboard replaced, then I insisted they put in RCBO CU (there wasn't actually room for an RCD one anyway). About 7 years later, one breaker started tripping intermittently and then, within a few days - fortunately - constantly. I went through the normal stuff of unplugging everything, but it became obvious it was a fixed wiring fault. So, as the other ring worked (left/right in the house not up/down), I was able to rig up a couple of extension leads so my mother could watch the telly, have a bedside light on etc. and came back and looked at it a couple of days later. That would have been a nightmare if it had been even half the house and all the lighting (my mother is 89).
    When I came back, then I found the fault; the work of the people who installed the conservatory 28 years ago. They'd broken into the ring main from a double socket as will as a fused spur for the light. But they'd stuffed three 2.5 mm^2 cables through a 20mm knockout hole in a metal backbox without a grommet (not that there was room). Over nearly 30 years it had cut its way through the PVC insulation and there was an earth/line fault. Prior to residual current device, this would probably have lasted a few weeks or months longer before breaking down enough to trip a 32A MCB and it might even have melted the double socket and certainly ruined the cable.
    In any event, the value of both residual current detection and the discrimination afforded by RCBOs proved their worth. Also, just because some building work was done nearly 30 years ago doesn't mean it won't cause electrical problems.
    nb. one thing not mentioned is how much easier it is to fault find with an RCBO installation. That's especially important with an intermittent fault.

  • @brendanprice8787
    @brendanprice8787 2 года назад +3

    Great video as usual, good lesson, but who is the artist up on the right hand corner of the board,
    Keep up the good work 👍

  • @connordines5080
    @connordines5080 2 года назад +2

    personally don't fit any installation suitable for Split load i always fit RCBO/SPD board as don't want fault taking out half the house

  • @bluefell4134
    @bluefell4134 2 года назад +1

    More of this type of content please

  • @usalaxbro11
    @usalaxbro11 2 года назад +1

    Completely unrelated but where did you get your jacket? With the cold season here, I'm trying to find a quality jacket/hoodie to wear out in the field.

  • @petertallowin6406
    @petertallowin6406 2 года назад

    Excellent video dude. Great points well made. I like the fusebox boards they are a decent budget board.

    • @thomasnagy
      @thomasnagy  2 года назад

      Agreed! We have a few of them in stock. We've been pleased with them so far!

  • @Richard1977
    @Richard1977 2 года назад +1

    In the Netherlands the maximum allowed number of circuits per single phase RCD is 4.

  • @nunika1975
    @nunika1975 2 года назад +1

    Nicely explained. My 30 year old safety switches will be replaced with RCBO after Xmas.

  • @jblyon2
    @jblyon2 2 года назад +2

    Here in the US it's very uncommon to have an RCBO (known as GFCI here) in the electrical panel. They do sell them, but they're not common. Typically the GFCI protection is built into one of the sockets on the circuit with other protected outlets on the same circuit connected through the GFCI socket. This has advantages because not every socket on a circuit needs to be protected. For example, on one of the circuits in my kitchen there are 3 sockets. The first one is the refrigerator, the second is a GFCI socket, and the third is connected through the second socket. If a kitchen appliance trips the GFCI socket my fridge remains operational. Code requires sockets on kitchen counters, bathrooms, basements, garages, outside, etc. (basically anywhere water may be encountered) to be protected.
    What is common, at least in newer homes are AFCI breakers installed in the panel. In the UK I think these are referred to as RCBO with AFDD. These not only trip for current leakage but also detect arcing that can start a fire, but is not enough to trip overcurrent or leakage protection alone. Originally they were just required for bedrooms, but now they are required in basically any living space that doesn't fall under a requirement for GFCI protection.
    Dedicated lighting circuits, which in a lot of homes also power the hardwired smoke detectors, are not supposed to be GFCI or AFCI protected to prevent the wife snapping her neck falling down the stairs, much to the chagrin of many husbands.

    • @millomweb
      @millomweb 2 года назад

      Hmm. I've been in 2 places of work where I've had elec tingles off light switches. RCDs on lighting circuits would have possibly tripped. I've a strong suspicion both switches were Crabtree make.

    • @kittsdiy
      @kittsdiy 2 года назад

      yep .. here in Belgium it's not allowed in new builds to have any circuits ( sockets ) not protected by an RCD ... a 30mA RCD can save your life ..

  • @AmauryJacquot
    @AmauryJacquot 2 года назад +1

    I installed type F RCDs at home, designed for devices with switching power supplies, also less susceptible to things like thunder discharges.
    those are perfect for computers / freezers / (...) where you need to avoid tripping for no valid reason

  • @Craigcul
    @Craigcul 2 года назад +1

    Great Video, in South Africa we don't have such devices as RCBO's we only have RCD but here it is called an Earth leakage device I have never even seen Dual RCD boards here if something causes nuisance tripping it is just put just after the main switch without earth leakage protection.

  • @robertsitch1415
    @robertsitch1415 2 года назад +1

    As a Canadian watching I find that electrical distribution is very different on the other side of the Atlantic. Instead of RCD for the whole house we just need arc fault protection on new living area branch circuits.

  • @ahwongwk
    @ahwongwk 2 года назад +1

    this has been a good video to explain what is a RCBO, make easy ... may be you can come out with a video series "Thomas Nagy Explain"..😀

  • @marksmith-ew7ir
    @marksmith-ew7ir 2 года назад +1

    Great updates on board's

  • @terryleaman3038
    @terryleaman3038 2 года назад +1

    The knob on the board was a classic!

  • @tflemming287
    @tflemming287 2 года назад +3

    Older kettles? How do modern kettles differ?

  • @tolar9
    @tolar9 2 года назад +1

    That was brilliant! Cheers, Onion.