I am so pleased I found this video. Sub'd! I just tried this on my K702 using freebie EQ using "QRange" - an IIR linear phase EQ from a company called "lkjb". I own Sonarworks 3 and was never happy with its K702 profile, but this sounds fantastic! Thank you so much for saving me the hassle for continuing to look for different cans and saving me so much time!
tried this last night after getting my k701's and got a great mix that sounds good on all playback devices i tested on (FINALLY)...thanks for taking the time to do this! another thing for anyone thinking about k701s and amps/external DAC's... while they might sound better with an external DAC/amp (i've been looking at the fiio k3 as a cheap/decent quality)... on a macbook pro (mid 2012) at least, it drives the k701's loud enough for mixing with no amp... windows laptops probably do benefit a lot more as sound on those is not great quality, but for apple laptops at least it seems to be enough to get a decent mix.
IT might drive it, to a good volume, but you'll be hitting saturation fairly early on, and there's also the high pass and lowpass filters on the MacBook headphone out. Try something like the ifi Zen Can that i reviewed last week if you want to drive them properly with headroom before saturation.
@@ScanProAudioTV Thanks, I just checked out the Zen Can review, looks good. Right now I'm using the headphone out on my Maschine MK3 and using that as an audio interface...should have enough power to drive the headphones, but I can't find any decent info on the sound quality... it sounds good to me but how will I know what I'm missing LOL. Do you have any thoughts on the MK3 headphone out? Cheers!
I thank you with all my heart, the quality of the music after the correction has increased significantly! please make a correction for beyerdynamic dt 990 pro headphones, your correction is incredible, there is nothing like it anywhere else! thanks again
Man,, i use waves nx all the time with my K 702 ,, BUT After this eq curve on ProQ 3 !!! blow my mind ,, it's the exact sound i get from my studio monitors, if not even better
I use the K702's - Mainly as they are over ear. They have never let me down, in either comfort or sound. I'd recommend 'em to anyone. I'm due for another pair.
@@teeaymusik9811 Not a clue. I just use them as they are. I prefer my own individual sound. Though for certain styles of music that may be the case. Nothing ventured nothing gained. Y' can only try these things.
@@teeaymusik9811 I also have a pair of Sennheiser HD598 (they are really good) But I have a problem with my ears and the K702s fit around my ears and give no problem what so ever. Still at the end of the day, it's a personal choice, and budget limitations. So many good, and well above average products out there at present - we all hope for a lotto win.
This is really helpful, thank you. Having owned the K701s for years I knew they were a bit bass light but not to the extent Sonarworks is suggesting! Cheers
I use the K702's and, although nothing's ever perfect, they sure provide an all around great experience when I am listening to mixes or raw tracks. I can depend on their honesty to give me the right time of day.
Hi, I was looking for enhancing my mixing with my k701's and found this video. Helped a ton thank you! On a plus side I went with Peter's equalizer APO configurator (Eq for general output). Did you ever used it or would you recommend using something like this instead of plug-ins?
this is great, will give it a go, thanks. sonarworks is way off, I did some mixes with it on and they just didn't translate well at all really, even with the crazy low end boost I couldn't get the sub right. any chance you could tackle some other popular budget headphones like the dt range from beyerdynamic?
Wow! I tried it and it is shocking! The diference in sound is so huge! My mix sounds like shit through this eq preset, and that probably means it was actually sounding like shit without it, I just wasn't noticing because these headphones are not even close to accurate.
how do you account for the Q value differences between plugins that have no cramping like pro Q and others that have cramping? I've found this difficult using highly regarded headphone measurements from the likes of orotary and such but their EQ parameters are for EQ's that have cramping at the top end near the nyquist frequency. not sure if it's imperative to use a specific formula to calculate Q as you do get closer to 20khz or if you just sort of match it as best as you can. would love to hear your thoughts.
You’re a life saver! I have downloaded/installed the preset and have cross referenced it with the values in your description but they are all slightly out. What’s the correct values to go off?
hi, are there any differences between the AKG K702 and the AKG K702 65th anniversary? it seems to me that the 65th came out much earlier, so what has changed with the K702 model, has there been any updates?
thanks for sharing this! can someone explain me the actual differences between K701 and K702? I own a Beyerdynamic DT990 and I was wondering if it worth the exchange with either of them for producing/mixing/mastering purposes. Also, is there a chance you can get the eq correction curve for the DT990 as well? :) thank u so much!
I just got my702 fresh off the delivery van… My question is, did you do the measuring on broken in headphones or fresh ones? Do they even need to be broken in or it is going to sound like as fresh out of the box? I noticed it is little harsh in the highs, and weak in the bass range. I had a similar experience with speakers, they sounded good when I listened to them in the shop, than I wired the fresh speakers and they sounded very different, so I did some research, and it turned out that they need to be broken in, after 20 or so hours of ware they had been tamed. Is it the case with 702-s too?
Hi ) thanks a lot for the great video. I'm thinking of purchasing k701 or k702 and read a lot about the sound difference in low frequencies as well as a different sound stage. Which one would you go with k701 and k702? what is the difference in sound of them? thanks
Hey hello, thanks for doing that comparison ! Can clarify a thing for me, as I'm not a primeraly english speaker, when you say "don't forget to disable before you bounce", do you mean to disable it before listen to the mix, or the master, on speakers ? Also what are you impressions of Binauralizer and Spatial Audio Designer ? Did you tried those ?
Yes, disable before you bounce your master mix down from a DAW or playback on speakers. Binauralizer and Spacial audio designer (And waves NX) let you monitor surround sound mixes in binaural, none of which really help with stereo translation for music all that much. Can Opener by Goodhertz is my go-to plugin for this.
@@ScanProAudioTV Thanks for your response ! I tried it, it's great, my mix wasn't ^^ I think K702 don't translate low frequencies that well (might also be my compression). Will try Can Opener when I can, seems nice. Thank you.
Don't forget when putting this plugin in 2 buss (last plugin) to adjust a few db in overal volume. Not the highest value (4.5db) but about 3 db works on most material and ends up under 0 bdfs (this is only when you have limiter and mastering chain when mixing you should have left enough hearroom to fit this EQ at the end.
Akg 701 are one of the best mixing and mastering headphones .People say they lack bass but that is probably because people are used to bass hyped phones
@@alanmansfield9109 Alan. Come on now. It doesn't take any expertise to be able to hear they lack bass. It's okay to be incorrect and admit it. It has nothing to do with a pre-amp. 4.5db of bass if 4.5db of bass.
Put the compensation EQ on the hardware output rather than the mixbus. That way, if you're printing internally to a new audio track, it won't get printed in. Of course, if you're bouncing to disk, that won't make a difference and you'll still need to disable the plugin.
hello everybody i am not that good at english, i dont understand how it's supposed to work because when i put the eq on my master channel it just make my whole mix clipping so how am i supposed to use it ? I tried to put a reference song in my daw to see the difference. but when it will comes to mixing one of my song how will i be able to adjust levels th e good way ?
maybe i misunderstand the moment he says "put it on your monitor bus" what is that? i'm on fl studio by the way. as i said i put it on my master channel as the last plugin. i understand that i need to turn it off before exporting, seems logic to me.
I sold my Denon D2000, Denon D600, Beyerdynamic 880, Sennheiser 280, Sony 7506, AKG K550, Master & Dynamic MH-40 and was about to sell my K702 as well as none of them gave me accurate results until I saw this video!! I found some of the more expensive studio monitors (ie. Focal, Shure 1840, etc) to really lack bass and way too dry. I produce electronic music and can’t mix on very dry, analytical headphones with no low end. I’m not a bass head at all, but why do they call it “accurate” or “flat” when there’s barely anything below 80-100Hz?! Anyway, thanks for doing this and I’m super happy with my K702 which I’ve now owned for 8 years and just had the ear-pads replaced with Brainwavz earpads and the sound didn’t change much at all.
I'd like HD 600s but you can get 702s for much less. So far I have M50x, MDR 7506, ST 770, Superlux 681, Shure SRH 440 and even Rockville M50. All have a pretty flat response. But the 702s seem to be next rather than pay for HD 600. Not to mention I find all Sennheisers I've heard overrated. My 280s are nice but too much bass, so I am selling them.
Choosing to compare to other headphones isn't correct way to form a opinion of best curves. If I did a test I'd at least get some etymotics or whatever is considered most accurate today for accuracy to help guess.
zoundsic most accurate? That’s exactly what we have done! Heddphones / LCD-4z are two of the most accurate and evenly balanced pairs available today, especially for studio use, in another league of accuracy compared to a set of etymotic in-ears (which we do also have) We’ll absolutely stand by those two headphones as a good-as-it-gets reference point.
@@ScanProAudioTV I get that but looking at it's graphs it's just an slight improvement on similar type of headphones but would still be less accurate than etymotics.
@@ScanProAudioTV I not looked into this for years but just found out that Shure just released some kse1200's which are supposed to have raised the bar for electrostatics. And they were pretty accurate years ago. Cost a few hundred more than these akg's so not far off in this sort of price range. Much prefer to wear hphones myself than in-ears but when only using for eq naturalising their fine as monitors are still quickest way to work for most mixing tasks.
I wouldn't compare to any headphones but rather to speakers. even the highest end headphones are not going to be accurate. they will have less distortion, better dynamics, stage, imaging, and perhaps closer frequency response but it depends on the brands target. audeze headphones all have large dips in the upper mid which typically need to be corrected for. so again id be more keen to compare against a quality set of monitors in a well treated room.
Someone can say me her opinion about that eq?? Preamp: -13dB Filter 1: ON LS Fc 105 Hz Gain 12.5 dB Q 0.70 Filter 2: ON PK Fc 738 Hz Gain 4.2 dB Q 1.22 Filter 3: ON PK Fc 48 Hz Gain -10.2 dB Q 0.37 Filter 4: ON PK Fc 6386 Hz Gain -5.8 dB Q 2.39 Filter 5: ON PK Fc 3688 Hz Gain 4.3 dB Q 3.69 Filter 6: ON HS Fc 10000 Hz Gain -3.5 dB Q 0.70 Filter 7: ON PK Fc 2362 Hz Gain -2.3 dB Q 3.08 Filter 8: ON PK Fc 1462 Hz Gain 1.1 dB Q 3.06 Filter 9: ON PK Fc 3140 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 6.00 Filter 10: ON PK Fc 4676 Hz Gain 0.9 dB Q 6.00
These B-Stock headphones aren’t just second hand, the ones they sent me were damaged. Didn’t notice the damage (it was well hidden) until after the warranty was up. However, hands up to Scan, after my complaint, they sent a brand new cable. I should also say the were shafted by their supplier in the first place.
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I am so pleased I found this video. Sub'd! I just tried this on my K702 using freebie EQ using "QRange" - an IIR linear phase EQ from a company called "lkjb". I own Sonarworks 3 and was never happy with its K702 profile, but this sounds fantastic! Thank you so much for saving me the hassle for continuing to look for different cans and saving me so much time!
tried this last night after getting my k701's and got a great mix that sounds good on all playback devices i tested on (FINALLY)...thanks for taking the time to do this!
another thing for anyone thinking about k701s and amps/external DAC's... while they might sound better with an external DAC/amp (i've been looking at the fiio k3 as a cheap/decent quality)... on a macbook pro (mid 2012) at least, it drives the k701's loud enough for mixing with no amp... windows laptops probably do benefit a lot more as sound on those is not great quality, but for apple laptops at least it seems to be enough to get a decent mix.
IT might drive it, to a good volume, but you'll be hitting saturation fairly early on, and there's also the high pass and lowpass filters on the MacBook headphone out.
Try something like the ifi Zen Can that i reviewed last week if you want to drive them properly with headroom before saturation.
@@ScanProAudioTV Thanks, I just checked out the Zen Can review, looks good. Right now I'm using the headphone out on my Maschine MK3 and using that as an audio interface...should have enough power to drive the headphones, but I can't find any decent info on the sound quality... it sounds good to me but how will I know what I'm missing LOL. Do you have any thoughts on the MK3 headphone out? Cheers!
I'm loving your AKG K702 profile, thanks a ton! :)
I thank you with all my heart, the quality of the music after the correction has increased significantly! please make a correction for beyerdynamic dt 990 pro headphones, your correction is incredible, there is nothing like it anywhere else! thanks again
Man,, i use waves nx all the time with my K 702 ,, BUT After this eq curve on ProQ 3 !!! blow my mind ,, it's the exact sound i get from my studio monitors, if not even better
I use the K702's - Mainly as they are over ear. They have never let me down, in either comfort or sound. I'd recommend 'em to anyone. I'm due for another pair.
Are they better now with this EQ curve?
@@teeaymusik9811 Not a clue. I just use them as they are. I prefer my own individual sound. Though for certain styles of music that may be the case. Nothing ventured nothing gained. Y' can only try these things.
@@tomwatson283 Thx for your answer. I think i will go with the Sennheiser HD650 since many professionals use them :)
@@teeaymusik9811 I also have a pair of Sennheiser HD598 (they are really good) But I have a problem with my ears and the K702s fit around my ears and give no problem what so ever. Still at the end of the day, it's a personal choice, and budget limitations. So many good, and well above average products out there at present - we all hope for a lotto win.
I heard they’re pretty similar to the 701s do you have any experience with those too?
This sounds great, thank you so much! Was pretty easy to set this up as a system wide eq with APO eq
This is really helpful, thank you. Having owned the K701s for years I knew they were a bit bass light but not to the extent Sonarworks is suggesting! Cheers
I use the K702's and, although nothing's ever perfect, they sure provide an all around great experience when I am listening to mixes or raw tracks. I can depend on their honesty to give me the right time of day.
Thanks! This eq curve is also great for listening to music with my k702.
Absolutely fantastic. Thank you. Helped me mix my latest track 😊
Hi, I was looking for enhancing my mixing with my k701's and found this video. Helped a ton thank you! On a plus side I went with Peter's equalizer APO configurator (Eq for general output). Did you ever used it or would you recommend using something like this instead of plug-ins?
That profile you made is fantastic i just done a mix with it
I have the k701 bought them when they first came out and it was over £700 crazy that it's so cheap now!
thanks a lot Tom...as I'm an AKG K701 long user lover....
All I can say is wow. Thank you
this is great, will give it a go, thanks. sonarworks is way off, I did some mixes with it on and they just didn't translate well at all really, even with the crazy low end boost I couldn't get the sub right. any chance you could tackle some other popular budget headphones like the dt range from beyerdynamic?
Wow! I tried it and it is shocking! The diference in sound is so huge! My mix sounds like shit through this eq preset, and that probably means it was actually sounding like shit without it, I just wasn't noticing because these headphones are not even close to accurate.
Also, I own Waves Nx and their Eq compensation for K702 sounds completely different.
sorry im from germany does that mean that its good now? Would you recommend the Ak 702 with this EQ present?
@@teeaymusik9811 without the eq it sounds great. With it it sounds awful
Which bit of the video do you give the curve?
So can you put this on your master bus?
105Hz +4.5dB Q1.35 Low Shelf
690Hz +3.0dB Q2.4 Peak
1320Hz +2.0dB Q4.0 Peak
2700Hz -3.4dB Q2.0 Peak
5950Hz -3.2dB Q3.0 Peak
10900Hz +3.7dB Q5.0 Peak
14600Hz +3.3dB Q3.6 Peak
Your video was REALLY helpful!!!
how do you account for the Q value differences between plugins that have no cramping like pro Q and others that have cramping? I've found this difficult using highly regarded headphone measurements from the likes of orotary and such but their EQ parameters are for EQ's that have cramping at the top end near the nyquist frequency. not sure if it's imperative to use a specific formula to calculate Q as you do get closer to 20khz or if you just sort of match it as best as you can. would love to hear your thoughts.
You’re a life saver! I have downloaded/installed the preset and have cross referenced it with the values in your description but they are all slightly out. What’s the correct values to go off?
hi, are there any differences between the AKG K702 and the AKG K702 65th anniversary? it seems to me that the 65th came out much earlier, so what has changed with the K702 model, has there been any updates?
thanks for sharing this! can someone explain me the actual differences between K701 and K702? I own a Beyerdynamic DT990 and I was wondering if it worth the exchange with either of them for producing/mixing/mastering purposes. Also, is there a chance you can get the eq correction curve for the DT990 as well? :) thank u so much!
K702 and K701 are exactly the same except K702 have a removable cable.
@@vivien9017 No there not
Love my K701s. What 5” near field monitors would you recommend to pair the AKGs with? Thanks!
I just got my702 fresh off the delivery van… My question is, did you do the measuring on broken in headphones or fresh ones? Do they even need to be broken in or it is going to sound like as fresh out of the box? I noticed it is little harsh in the highs, and weak in the bass range. I had a similar experience with speakers, they sounded good when I listened to them in the shop, than I wired the fresh speakers and they sounded very different, so I did some research, and it turned out that they need to be broken in, after 20 or so hours of ware they had been tamed. Is it the case with 702-s too?
Im trying to import this into Fabfilter Q3 . . . its not importing the preset....What am I doing wrong ?
Scan Pro Audio, do you think an amplifier is needed for these headphones?
Hi ) thanks a lot for the great video. I'm thinking of purchasing k701 or k702 and read a lot about the sound difference in low frequencies as well as a different sound stage. Which one would you go with k701 and k702? what is the difference in sound of them? thanks
Alexey T
K702 out of the pair of them, as it has the removable cable.
Agreed. Also, the K702 is a higher number than K701, so there’s that! ;-p
I'll buy this headphone, but people talking about "Bright Trebles". Are they really bad on Trebles?
If its a problem for you put less trebles on your EQ, maybe ?
Thank you very much!
Hey hello, thanks for doing that comparison ! Can clarify a thing for me, as I'm not a primeraly english speaker, when you say "don't forget to disable before you bounce", do you mean to disable it before listen to the mix, or the master, on speakers ? Also what are you impressions of Binauralizer and Spatial Audio Designer ? Did you tried those ?
Yes, disable before you bounce your master mix down from a DAW or playback on speakers.
Binauralizer and Spacial audio designer (And waves NX) let you monitor surround sound mixes in binaural, none of which really help with stereo translation for music all that much. Can Opener by Goodhertz is my go-to plugin for this.
@@ScanProAudioTV Thanks for your response ! I tried it, it's great, my mix wasn't ^^ I think K702 don't translate low frequencies that well (might also be my compression). Will try Can Opener when I can, seems nice. Thank you.
Hi I love your videos... so informative. Do u have a pro q curve for the Dt 1990?
Would you recommend the 702s for mixing electronic music?
Hi, Could I put a request in for the curves for Audio Technica ath-m40x? ;-)
Don't forget when putting this plugin in 2 buss (last plugin) to adjust a few db in overal volume. Not the highest value (4.5db) but about 3 db works on most material and ends up under 0 bdfs (this is only when you have limiter and mastering chain when mixing you should have left enough hearroom to fit this EQ at the end.
Is the HD650+Morphit better or the K702+this EQ Curve?
Hiya, what plugin did you use to analyse what each correction software was doing?
Plugins Doctor
I've found this eq curve perfect! Could you do the same with rokit 5 g2 please?
Akg 701 are one of the best mixing and mastering headphones .People say they lack bass but that is probably because
people are used to bass hyped phones
No, they definitely lack bass, that’s a 4.5dB boost on the bottom end needed to bring them back to being even.
@@ScanProAudioTV Get a good preamp and they dont lack anything
@@alanmansfield9109 stop spreading bs, they lack bass if you dont hear it time to go to doc...
@@alanmansfield9109 Alan. Come on now. It doesn't take any expertise to be able to hear they lack bass. It's okay to be incorrect and admit it. It has nothing to do with a pre-amp. 4.5db of bass if 4.5db of bass.
@@Fire-Toolz well, actually an amp will boost bass.
Anyone made this curve with ReaEQ in Reaper?
hi, what are the most useful headphones for mixing (with correction eq / Canopener) for around £ 200? Thanks!
Forget canopener. Just buy k702 and use this EQ curve!
@@ownedbymykitty270 Can opener gives the crosstalk
@@alanmansfield9109 *Crossfeed xD
@@teeaymusik9811 same thing.We can talk shit all day
Put the compensation EQ on the hardware output rather than the mixbus. That way, if you're printing internally to a new audio track, it won't get printed in. Of course, if you're bouncing to disk, that won't make a difference and you'll still need to disable the plugin.
How to do this in FL Studio?
Put it on the master bus?
I don't know,@@gkiss2030. Never used FL Studio.
hello everybody i am not that good at english, i dont understand how it's supposed to work because when i put the eq on my master channel it just make my whole mix clipping so how am i supposed to use it ?
I tried to put a reference song in my daw to see the difference. but when it will comes to mixing one of my song how will i be able to adjust levels th e good way ?
maybe i misunderstand the moment he says "put it on your monitor bus" what is that? i'm on fl studio by the way. as i said i put it on my master channel as the last plugin. i understand that i need to turn it off before exporting, seems logic to me.
Maybe you are clipping because your computer is bad ? (I am bad to english too lol)
I sold my Denon D2000, Denon D600, Beyerdynamic 880, Sennheiser 280, Sony 7506, AKG K550, Master & Dynamic MH-40 and was about to sell my K702 as well as none of them gave me accurate results until I saw this video!! I found some of the more expensive studio monitors (ie. Focal, Shure 1840, etc) to really lack bass and way too dry. I produce electronic music and can’t mix on very dry, analytical headphones with no low end. I’m not a bass head at all, but why do they call it “accurate” or “flat” when there’s barely anything below 80-100Hz?! Anyway, thanks for doing this and I’m super happy with my K702 which I’ve now owned for 8 years and just had the ear-pads replaced with Brainwavz earpads and the sound didn’t change much at all.
I'd like HD 600s but you can get 702s for much less. So far I have M50x, MDR 7506, ST 770, Superlux 681, Shure SRH 440 and even Rockville M50. All have a pretty flat response. But the 702s seem to be next rather than pay for HD 600. Not to mention I find all Sennheisers I've heard overrated. My 280s are nice but too much bass, so I am selling them.
Would this work with the K7XX?
It's not going to be far off, certainly better than them at stock.
Choosing to compare to other headphones isn't correct way to form a opinion of best curves. If I did a test I'd at least get some etymotics or whatever is considered most accurate today for accuracy to help guess.
zoundsic most accurate?
That’s exactly what we have done! Heddphones / LCD-4z are two of the most accurate and evenly balanced pairs available today, especially for studio use, in another league of accuracy compared to a set of etymotic in-ears (which we do also have) We’ll absolutely stand by those two headphones as a good-as-it-gets reference point.
@@ScanProAudioTV I get that but looking at it's graphs it's just an slight improvement on similar type of headphones but would still be less accurate than etymotics.
@@ScanProAudioTV I not looked into this for years but just found out that Shure just released some kse1200's which are supposed to have raised the bar for electrostatics. And they were pretty accurate years ago. Cost a few hundred more than these akg's so not far off in this sort of price range. Much prefer to wear hphones myself than in-ears but when only using for eq naturalising their fine as monitors are still quickest way to work for most mixing tasks.
I wouldn't compare to any headphones but rather to speakers. even the highest end headphones are not going to be accurate. they will have less distortion, better dynamics, stage, imaging, and perhaps closer frequency response but it depends on the brands target. audeze headphones all have large dips in the upper mid which typically need to be corrected for. so again id be more keen to compare against a quality set of monitors in a well treated room.
Nice
Someone can say me her opinion about that eq??
Preamp: -13dB
Filter 1: ON LS Fc 105 Hz Gain 12.5 dB Q 0.70
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 738 Hz Gain 4.2 dB Q 1.22
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 48 Hz Gain -10.2 dB Q 0.37
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 6386 Hz Gain -5.8 dB Q 2.39
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 3688 Hz Gain 4.3 dB Q 3.69
Filter 6: ON HS Fc 10000 Hz Gain -3.5 dB Q 0.70
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 2362 Hz Gain -2.3 dB Q 3.08
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 1462 Hz Gain 1.1 dB Q 3.06
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 3140 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 6.00
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 4676 Hz Gain 0.9 dB Q 6.00
Who here cuzza Mio Akiyama?
These B-Stock headphones aren’t just second hand, the ones they sent me were damaged. Didn’t notice the damage (it was well hidden) until after the warranty was up. However, hands up to Scan, after my complaint, they sent a brand new cable. I should also say the were shafted by their supplier in the first place.
You could have shared the damage instead of ranting only.
Sonarworks sucks
learn how to focus your camera!
That's not nice mate