Morty was cracked all people did was runaway all game and spam dirt. Now hopefully morty’s will actually play the game and fight instead of running away and spam his dirt into up air. (You killed shaggy a 90 with that btw insane)
Reason they gave was "everyone was complaining about mud wall" Like NO SHIT. It's the only legitimately good fucking move he had. So ofc people were complaining, because dude has nothing else to do. His grenades are neutered from beta. So congrats. Now Morty can't properly fight ranged or melee. Like wtf?
The move needed a nerf. It wasn't just a "good move" it was broken. Possible contender for best move in the game. I'll list all the attributes and you can try to find another move this oppressive. It's a projectile that he can aim at will and have an active hitbox when he wants it. So you have to guess when to dodge. It applies weakened stacks for some reason. A projectile that beats all other projectiles by breaking them (only thing that can break rocket I'm pretty sure). Leads to kill confirm. Hits people on the ground and at jump height. He could dodge immediately after. It's hard enough to play neutral against a projectile but he was pretty much unpunishable after using it. It interacts with his grenades. And on top of all of these properties it had no cool down. It needed a nerf... I agree his grenades are not what they used to be but his jab, down air, up air, and side air all have good hitboxes. He has good moves. Learn how to actually win neutral instead of getting bailed out by a busted projectile.
@tb3099 Jab is super inconsistent(especially whip), up air basically relies on rock, down air is there, and side air barley kills and is a combo starter that leads into his projectiles. All of those moves use rock or snake, and nades to extend combos. Snake shot used to extend, start, and kill. Nade is his only way of map control and his only other way of killing. The way to make Morty less projectile dependent is to make his normals more consistent and / or kill moves because his thoes moves are his projectiles
@@tb3099 it really didn't. No, I'm not going to go for your arbitrary requirement of finding another move oppressive in the exact same senses, why would I do that that's crazy? No, I'm going to present counter points to that you've said because that's how a sensible person responds 😂 Sure, it can hit when he wants, but it's at least still on a timer, unlike Fin who has two moves you can hold indefinitely. Gizmo who can hold his arrow indefinitely, and aim it, and Marvin who has an on call projectile deflector (just wait till people get good with that). Sure it can break rocket, but if you tie a rocket into a combo or can hit it higher off ground you're fine. Sure, Morty can crouch, but the rocket is so slow that it puts him in a bad spot that is easily punished from above. It leads to a kill confirm isn't really a point since plenty of their characters have one. Add that to the fact that getting a consistent kill with him in every other regard of his kit is difficult. Since he doesn't have an actual up attack to get people into the air in order to follow up with an up air like EVERY OTHER CHARACTER. *Cough cough even Rick cough* So what if it hits a jump height? That's basically every projectile, like what? They all touch your toes 😂 he's plenty punishable from the air, and the key is to just bait out the mud wall. There's no cool down because your basically stuck in that move till the scream animation is done. So if you miss the spike and they're right on top of you, you're getting punished (looking at you pesky Black Adams). It's not good up close despite being able to bring it towards you, so people who rush you constantly make you whiff. Sure it interacted with grenades, but we had to make that useful, because the scream animation lasts too long to jump and side air the grenades toward the opponent, hence why we just fire ring them upwards first. That whole window you can punish Morty. No, his jabs do not have good hotboxes. All the sword characters (Arya,WW, Fin) can hit you with the wind from the tip of their blade, as well as black Adams, and Superman's fist, iron giants car, and, a few others. Whereas Morty has a little glow effect in front of his front jab, yet can't land the jab unless his fist is literally inside his opponent. It's literally a light visual in front of his fist my guy. I'm gonna level with you, Morty's are only so good because people love him even though he isnt good. So they learned to get max use out of what is overall, a tedious to use character. Your last comment about "learn how to win neutral" is silly, see aforementioned lack of up air response. I play with Morty one of the low tier characters. The irony of telling me to get good when you can't get past the one move in his kit that is actually reasonably consistent in its job - getting you in the air- is laughable.
Tbh as a Morty main, I kinda think these changes to the mud wall were necessary. The only thing They shouldn't have done is getting rid of the hurtboxes on the grenades after you split them. It was honestly REALLY annoying to fight Morty's that would just run away from you and only use Mud wall, up air and pretty much nothing else the whole game and win easily with since mud walls applies weakened and the combo is an easy kill confirm. And as annoying as the smaller hitbox on the mud wall is, it makes sense since you shouldn't have a hitbox bigger than any attack anyway. To the people saying "Morty is ruined" no he's not, he just takes more skill to play now. Once people get used to the changes I'm certain people will finally stop complaining about the Morty nerfs. So get used to having to try when playing Morty and not just spam mud walls! :) (They need to fix the whip tho jesus)
Bro, the mud wall is literally the easiest move to counter. Even before the patch, you could just dodge once and hit him. Like, literally every player complaining about it is just trash. The mud wall is so predictable; you just need to dodge in, hit combo, and Morty is dead. He really lacks kill confirms; you get a window from 90 to 120 HP to kill, and that's all. You have two kill confirm grenades (which got nerfed) and mud wall up air that also got nerfed. Plus, with the whip issue, Morty is really struggling to kill even more than before, and nades literally despawn from all WW shields now. Let's be honest, Morty got nerfed too hard without any buffs, and people are still complaining about this character being too OP just because they never learn anything in this game.
Hold on, hold on, I'm confused. I’m not personally a Morty main myself, but I’ve read through ALL of the comments here, and it seems like opinions from Morty players on the grenade changes are kind of... ohh... split? 😀
People are overreacting about these nerfs. Grenade split still works exceptionally well, but you can’t use on highly damaged opponents anymore. You can still flawlessly combo into it, and you can use it better in a 2v2 scenario.
Oh god you have to get skilled with your character to actually hot the opponent without being hit in return, that s so unfair. Out of sarcasm, the hitbox on the mud wall really way too big for the strengh of the move like for real, however it is kind of maybe too precise now. But that s a deserved nerf, fighting morty was really boring and uninteresting because he had everything in one move that wasn t punishable which lead to games with morty mud wall, dodge, mud wall doge, etc... which isn t fun to face. Moreover that no endlag made that u ve been used to spam dodges, like look at the number of time u get burn out !! On any other character u wouldn t have that (a part of joker lol) For the grenade it is not really amazing change but u can now detonate 2 grenade at ground level which seems pretty strong with its power. And it forces people either to back up, to dodge in or to jump above All options u can cover. Finally other morty s move aren t that bad Like the fact that everyone now that jab 1, 2 and whip isn t true gives u possibilities of reads and stuff. That s my opinion
You are def overreacting, i think the split is fine. In the past mud wall would fling the grenades in a bad spot and you would have to up air to keep it on stage. They now behave like they did in the beta. I'm happy
Idk how a whole community can explain to the devs the issues with certain characters, and the devs will look us dead in the eyes and say "nah, these are the changes we're gonna make, we know what's best for the game and our players" Like, NO TF YA DONT, ya don't play the game, ya don't understand the issues. It's so frustrating.
bro was already a vulnerable charcter with everything being bad on whiff. But now they took away one of my best combos that actually took time to set up smh. no more earth grenade sky confirms
dirt needed to die, the amount of mfs that just spammed dirt and ran away was EVERY MORTY I CAME ACROSS, i wish they put some power somewhere else in his kit than leaving him pretty worse for wear but if morty dying means no more dirt spam, it shall be so honestly if they just put like a 3 second cooldown on it or something and left it as it was it was fine, dirt itself isnt the bad part, its just the constant spam from the across the stage that most characters do badly into and some characters just had no tools to deal with it
so I ll say the whip just has a bad Dead zone which is why Shaggy is not getting hit by it. But its more so made to give you a confirm from your jab from at a decent range away to confirm into the whip (or maybe even your jab from MAX range) Play with it more and if its 100% true from a set distance regardless of D.I then i hope you find ore uses for it while playing neutral
to add i think your hate for Mud wall + Grenade is a bit premature I get why you dislike the fact your idea behind it doesn't work but after watching a bit of your matches I think you fail to realize the the potential with this change for a Zoner like Morty. If you didn't notice Your grenade has a timer you can keep it out for a while BUT when you pop it with Mud wall not only does the timer reset but now you have more things you can put the opponent through. I am not a Morty player But I play a lot of Zoners in games and and set play/set up characters I personally feel you should experiment More with Mud wall set ups Like (after a Kill confirm you would still have time for both grenades before they explode on their own. You can bounce them around to prepare for them coming back in and set up some nice early snipes with your gun as well. Its just my POV I dont wanna come off rude or a know it all. I just think we should give it more time (sure i agree giving the grenades active hit box from mud wall is good but i think what we got right now is also not bad.
I've tried the 'buff' for Jake, but it seems like nothing really changed. Yeah, he got some speed for the down tilt, but he's still struggling. He's too slow for every move he makes. Maybe I'm missing something?
Thank fuck Morty got nerfed. People are getting carried by this character more than they realise. I was also hoping for nerf on Finn's Air Up Special but I guess I was asking for too much.
morty still way to op and annoying to play u spam the same dirt wall constantly and its super hard to avoid if u actually wanna fight they needa nerf em harder the wall needs to be shorter there needs to be proper space for someone to actually be able to predict it, jump, and be rewarded rather then being able to do nothing but run or jump higher which just leeds to morty immediately doing the up fire thing. He is op
I'm still good with Morty. I'm happy they brought back the grenade split.
Velma is better than morty now lol 🤣
Might be a stretch there
Ehhhh
Sadly yea.
Well he is not wrong she is a little bit better
not really
That grenade split is awful 😢 I just got the split working consistently. I’m sad as fuck.
I played all day yesterday and the grenade split isn’t that bad. It has uses just different uses.
Morty did not need this nerf idc there were so many more busted characters before this patch And now he’s just dogsh!t
Morty was cracked all people did was runaway all game and spam dirt. Now hopefully morty’s will actually play the game and fight instead of running away and spam his dirt into up air. (You killed shaggy a 90 with that btw insane)
Skill issue. Get good.
It's almost like dirt into up air is his only consistent kill conform
Other than grenade or down air that's the only kill option and both of those aren't as reliable
half the cast has moved that kill at 90 😂
This comment is dumb because the whole point of Morty is he plays range.
Damn bruh mvs don't like Morty
The new nade split is so buns bro 😭
@@DeathByZombieGames it's really not bad at all.
Flaccid nades smh
Reason they gave was "everyone was complaining about mud wall"
Like NO SHIT. It's the only legitimately good fucking move he had. So ofc people were complaining, because dude has nothing else to do.
His grenades are neutered from beta.
So congrats. Now Morty can't properly fight ranged or melee. Like wtf?
womp womp
The move needed a nerf. It wasn't just a "good move" it was broken. Possible contender for best move in the game. I'll list all the attributes and you can try to find another move this oppressive.
It's a projectile that he can aim at will and have an active hitbox when he wants it. So you have to guess when to dodge. It applies weakened stacks for some reason. A projectile that beats all other projectiles by breaking them (only thing that can break rocket I'm pretty sure). Leads to kill confirm. Hits people on the ground and at jump height. He could dodge immediately after. It's hard enough to play neutral against a projectile but he was pretty much unpunishable after using it. It interacts with his grenades. And on top of all of these properties it had no cool down. It needed a nerf...
I agree his grenades are not what they used to be but his jab, down air, up air, and side air all have good hitboxes. He has good moves. Learn how to actually win neutral instead of getting bailed out by a busted projectile.
@@tb3099 womp womp
@tb3099 Jab is super inconsistent(especially whip), up air basically relies on rock, down air is there, and side air barley kills and is a combo starter that leads into his projectiles. All of those moves use rock or snake, and nades to extend combos. Snake shot used to extend, start, and kill. Nade is his only way of map control and his only other way of killing.
The way to make Morty less projectile dependent is to make his normals more consistent and / or kill moves because his thoes moves are his projectiles
@@tb3099 it really didn't. No, I'm not going to go for your arbitrary requirement of finding another move oppressive in the exact same senses, why would I do that that's crazy? No, I'm going to present counter points to that you've said because that's how a sensible person responds 😂
Sure, it can hit when he wants, but it's at least still on a timer, unlike Fin who has two moves you can hold indefinitely. Gizmo who can hold his arrow indefinitely, and aim it, and Marvin who has an on call projectile deflector (just wait till people get good with that).
Sure it can break rocket, but if you tie a rocket into a combo or can hit it higher off ground you're fine. Sure, Morty can crouch, but the rocket is so slow that it puts him in a bad spot that is easily punished from above.
It leads to a kill confirm isn't really a point since plenty of their characters have one. Add that to the fact that getting a consistent kill with him in every other regard of his kit is difficult.
Since he doesn't have an actual up attack to get people into the air in order to follow up with an up air like EVERY OTHER CHARACTER. *Cough cough even Rick cough*
So what if it hits a jump height? That's basically every projectile, like what? They all touch your toes 😂 he's plenty punishable from the air, and the key is to just bait out the mud wall.
There's no cool down because your basically stuck in that move till the scream animation is done. So if you miss the spike and they're right on top of you, you're getting punished (looking at you pesky Black Adams). It's not good up close despite being able to bring it towards you, so people who rush you constantly make you whiff.
Sure it interacted with grenades, but we had to make that useful, because the scream animation lasts too long to jump and side air the grenades toward the opponent, hence why we just fire ring them upwards first. That whole window you can punish Morty.
No, his jabs do not have good hotboxes. All the sword characters (Arya,WW, Fin) can hit you with the wind from the tip of their blade, as well as black Adams, and Superman's fist, iron giants car, and, a few others.
Whereas Morty has a little glow effect in front of his front jab, yet can't land the jab unless his fist is literally inside his opponent. It's literally a light visual in front of his fist my guy.
I'm gonna level with you, Morty's are only so good because people love him even though he isnt good. So they learned to get max use out of what is overall, a tedious to use character.
Your last comment about "learn how to win neutral" is silly, see aforementioned lack of up air response.
I play with Morty one of the low tier characters. The irony of telling me to get good when you can't get past the one move in his kit that is actually reasonably consistent in its job - getting you in the air- is laughable.
Tbh as a Morty main, I kinda think these changes to the mud wall were necessary. The only thing They shouldn't have done is getting rid of the hurtboxes on the grenades after you split them. It was honestly REALLY annoying to fight Morty's that would just run away from you and only use Mud wall, up air and pretty much nothing else the whole game and win easily with since mud walls applies weakened and the combo is an easy kill confirm. And as annoying as the smaller hitbox on the mud wall is, it makes sense since you shouldn't have a hitbox bigger than any attack anyway. To the people saying "Morty is ruined" no he's not, he just takes more skill to play now. Once people get used to the changes I'm certain people will finally stop complaining about the Morty nerfs. So get used to having to try when playing Morty and not just spam mud walls! :) (They need to fix the whip tho jesus)
Bro, the mud wall is literally the easiest move to counter. Even before the patch, you could just dodge once and hit him. Like, literally every player complaining about it is just trash. The mud wall is so predictable; you just need to dodge in, hit combo, and Morty is dead. He really lacks kill confirms; you get a window from 90 to 120 HP to kill, and that's all. You have two kill confirm grenades (which got nerfed) and mud wall up air that also got nerfed. Plus, with the whip issue, Morty is really struggling to kill even more than before, and nades literally despawn from all WW shields now. Let's be honest, Morty got nerfed too hard without any buffs, and people are still complaining about this character being too OP just because they never learn anything in this game.
do you know you can essily dodge a mud wall 😱😱 Morty wasn’t broken your just bad at the game!
Aye man yo gotta put some more impressive badges on cmon man what are we doin, that rick badge has to go
Hold on, hold on, I'm confused. I’m not personally a Morty main myself, but I’ve read through ALL of the comments here, and it seems like opinions from Morty players on the grenade changes are kind of... ohh... split? 😀
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as a morty main my only comment on this is
we are cooked
People are overreacting about these nerfs. Grenade split still works exceptionally well, but you can’t use on highly damaged opponents anymore. You can still flawlessly combo into it, and you can use it better in a 2v2 scenario.
Tell me your not a Morty player without telling me your not a Morty player:
@@Rishydishy24I honestly don’t care whether you think I am a Morty main or not. Have whatever opinion you want about my post. 👍
Oh god you have to get skilled with your character to actually hot the opponent without being hit in return, that s so unfair.
Out of sarcasm, the hitbox on the mud wall really way too big for the strengh of the move like for real, however it is kind of maybe too precise now. But that s a deserved nerf, fighting morty was really boring and uninteresting because he had everything in one move that wasn t punishable which lead to games with morty mud wall, dodge, mud wall doge, etc... which isn t fun to face.
Moreover that no endlag made that u ve been used to spam dodges, like look at the number of time u get burn out !!
On any other character u wouldn t have that (a part of joker lol)
For the grenade it is not really amazing change but u can now detonate 2 grenade at ground level which seems pretty strong with its power. And it forces people either to back up, to dodge in or to jump above
All options u can cover.
Finally other morty s move aren t that bad
Like the fact that everyone now that jab 1, 2 and whip isn t true gives u possibilities of reads and stuff.
That s my opinion
The only nerf Morty needs is his voice lines😭🙏
Which skin is better president morty or Evil Morty?
Evil Morty
bg is jmafia's main jake got changed way too hard for him to switch back
after splitting the grenade hit it with an axe ive been having success with that
I love your content.keep it up. You’re growing fast
You are def overreacting, i think the split is fine. In the past mud wall would fling the grenades in a bad spot and you would have to up air to keep it on stage. They now behave like they did in the beta. I'm happy
No its not nowhere neat the beta
@@Hitr0i closer than what it was before. In the beta they split
In full release mud wall launched both upwards towards me
I would say they should give them a hit box and make them fly a bit higher
@@MrFlan1723 it's set up perfect for you to f.air it after. Some pretty solid stuff u can get from the split
@@iiMOJA u right actually
So they just destroyed morty’s only good move and didn’t give him anything to compensate?
Pretty much
Idk how a whole community can explain to the devs the issues with certain characters, and the devs will look us dead in the eyes and say "nah, these are the changes we're gonna make, we know what's best for the game and our players"
Like, NO TF YA DONT, ya don't play the game, ya don't understand the issues. It's so frustrating.
You want people to be punished for avoiding a move😂 nah you’re just looking for excuses for when you lose😂 punished for avoid your mud wall lol😂
Holy crap I was surprised you fought Jmafia. honestly one of my favorite multi-verse RUclipsrs. And of course you as well.
bro was already a vulnerable charcter with everything being bad on whiff. But now they took away one of my best combos that actually took time to set up smh. no more earth grenade sky confirms
I hate how you can’t have bots fight against bots in Spectator mode. If your playing by yourself spectator is useless
The new whip hitbox is awful, you can literally just walk forward to dodge it
Ranked mode has been "coming soon" for the last 2 years, at this point idgaf anymore and stopped playing
Bro they only nerfed all cancer moves from all charakters. Good patch and i hope it will continue
Thank god they nerfed his annoying ass
Morty strong af. People crying about his nerf are the ones who DC when they lose.
BG power up removed after 1 hit is a good QoL tbh , work like shaggy now
I think that the grenades cooldown is longer too. Maybe it’s just me though.
Honestly I could care less about the dirt i just miss the whip 😢
Should I still main Morty or main someone else?
You gotta stay loyal, you'lll figure him out ❤
iirc jmafia even won a tournament with banana guard :D
jake doesnt feel too different tbh dont expect ALOT
0 banana guard experience but he has over 1k wins
Honestly haven’t played in a couple of days. Hopped back on and played one game and I’m about to uninstall. This is just fucking sad
No way we nerfed him like this. Fucking kms.
Didn’t jmafia win a tourney with banana guard?
Your Morty combos are insane
Finn the best character in the game fr imma keep it a stack
Haha morty stupid nerfed
Spammed mud wall in that first game, that's why it got nerfed fr
Morty is a long range character mid wall is his only viable option
Check Steven bro i main him 😭
Lmao first match was against Jmafia
dirt needed to die, the amount of mfs that just spammed dirt and ran away was EVERY MORTY I CAME ACROSS, i wish they put some power somewhere else in his kit than leaving him pretty worse for wear but if morty dying means no more dirt spam, it shall be so
honestly if they just put like a 3 second cooldown on it or something and left it as it was it was fine, dirt itself isnt the bad part, its just the constant spam from the across the stage that most characters do badly into and some characters just had no tools to deal with it
mudwalls whiff punish you for blocking projectiles and splitting your grenades is just dumb
Rightfully nerfed
so I ll say the whip just has a bad Dead zone which is why Shaggy is not getting hit by it. But its more so made to give you a confirm from your jab from at a decent range away to confirm into the whip (or maybe even your jab from MAX range) Play with it more and if its 100% true from a set distance regardless of D.I then i hope you find ore uses for it while playing neutral
to add i think your hate for Mud wall + Grenade is a bit premature I get why you dislike the fact your idea behind it doesn't work but after watching a bit of your matches I think you fail to realize the the potential with this change for a Zoner like Morty.
If you didn't notice Your grenade has a timer you can keep it out for a while BUT when you pop it with Mud wall not only does the timer reset but now you have more things you can put the opponent through. I am not a Morty player But I play a lot of Zoners in games and and set play/set up characters I personally feel you should experiment More with Mud wall set ups
Like (after a Kill confirm you would still have time for both grenades before they explode on their own. You can bounce them around to prepare for them coming back in and set up some nice early snipes with your gun as well. Its just my POV I dont wanna come off rude or a know it all. I just think we should give it more time (sure i agree giving the grenades active hit box from mud wall is good but i think what we got right now is also not bad.
Wow the devs really make me wanna quit this game💀 they nerfed his only good moves
I've tried the 'buff' for Jake, but it seems like nothing really changed. Yeah, he got some speed for the down tilt, but he's still struggling. He's too slow for every move he makes. Maybe I'm missing something?
Personally I prefer the height they gave the split grenades and I prefer the separate split but the non-existent hitbox is not it
Bro they took away the stun gun up move when u can hit the snakes in tree fort on the boats or any walls the snakes won’t come out anymore
what they only did to my guy 💀 they nerved a under-average charkter even more no one cares about the comp in 2v2
Its ight man,keep striving w morty (he needs a heavy buff now)
Why’d they remove jason
There’s a few bugs with him currently that need to be fixed, so they took him out temporarily.
I don't know if it is due to server issues, but Finn 0 to death combos feel really inconsistent
Why don't you rematch? First to 2 minimum
W content
Yes king
Background music name?
jmafia won a tourney with banana
I only play 1v1 so I mainly use Rick
Make a video on lebron james guide
Brooo I’m a Morty main WHYYY
At least its not as bad as the bugs nerf😭
Facts, I think the neutral air nerf is fine but safe needs to be reverted.
goat versus goat
Need to see bugs bunny bro🥲💔
Finally
Wow I have to actually hit the opponent with my attack to hit them what a huge nerf
Keep it up love the vids
it sucks my lad morty got nerfed but overall this patch was pretty damn good! (and as a rift enjoyer, i am all for the new rift)
Thank fuck Morty got nerfed. People are getting carried by this character more than they realise. I was also hoping for nerf on Finn's Air Up Special but I guess I was asking for too much.
morty still way to op and annoying to play u spam the same dirt wall constantly and its super hard to avoid if u actually wanna fight they needa nerf em harder the wall needs to be shorter there needs to be proper space for someone to actually be able to predict it, jump, and be rewarded rather then being able to do nothing but run or jump higher which just leeds to morty immediately doing the up fire thing. He is op
The grenade split was like that in the beta soo 🤷🏾♂️
They had a hutbox
W Morty is annoying as hell 👏👏👏👏👏👏
100% necessary change. double nade was VERY strong stop the cap
you got into a match with jmafia randomly thats crazy
now finally morty is a lower skill cap brawler and i can say im good at him
first👑
they might have just butchered this character 🫠