Tory MP Challenges DUP Former Leader On Ireland!
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- Tory MP Simon Hoare challenged former DUP Leader Arlene Foster on what the Republic of Ireland gave up for a peace settlement. The same one the DUP refused to sign up to.
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#ireland
#northernirelandprotocol
#goodfridayagreement
"Getting rid of something that shouldn't be there in the first place isn't a big thing" - Arlene Foster. She's just described perfectly and succinctly the status of Northern Ireland.
Aka Crimea & Ukraine
@@finbarreburn5112This is about The island of Ireland, take that war elsewhere 👍
tiocfaidh ár lá
Indeed well then it shouldn't be a problem in getting rid of an illegally created sectarian little starlet that should never have existed in the first place.
Comedy Gold on here 😂😂😂
Speaking as an NI person myself, Northern Ireland should never have been partitioned from the rest of Ireland in the first place. It was a very bad decision to begin with. NI cannot stand on it’s own separated from the rest of the island. It’s had over 100 years to try and the only successful period in my lifetime was after the Good Friday agreement which allowed it to fully operate as part of an all Ireland economy. But Brexit screwed up that success and only the NI protocol prevents disaster. We need to reunite the island and put an end to this failed state. I’ve lived my life with this and I’d like to see an end to NI. It just doesn’t work and I think never will properly work outside of full EU membership. I am deeply frustrated by how incredibly stupid and unreasonable the DUP are.
Speaking as an Irish person, I see no benefits for Ireland from unification. Agreed, partition was wrong and should not have happened. But it did and with the passing of time any reasons for unification have all but gone. Personally I know very few who would vote in favour of unification in a referendum.
@@arthurgoodness7865 I know plenty who would vote for it. And you are no irish person if you would vote against it. Hang your head in shame.
The Republic of Ireland has a much stronger claim on Northern Ireland than the UK. This is both morally and historically. The dup and unionists can f off. This coming from a brit who knows his country's, and his own, history.
Most people in Britain probably think the same. I was born in N of Ireland , and I'm Irish. I have English friends and family. From Scotland. And they completely agree. So thank you.
@@markcanning8352 Liverpool here with a grandad from Dublin and all family from Irish diaspora besides. Rebel songs at every family get together! 😁 we know the fucking score on this one.
@@markcanning8352 yeah I’m English and I’ve been super reluctant to admit it because I thought the northern Irish people of today wanted to be British. But as the pendulum swings and reunification dawns ever closer I’m beginning to realise that Ulster is probably going to it’s rightful place
DUP is a corrupt evil clan. Took 1 billion Pounds bribe from Mrs May and the Tories are corrupt to the core.
Nobody wants the North …it’s a failed state while the DUP are impossible to deal with
Loyalists.... You shouldn't be there in the first place. And I'm English.
In an interview once she was asked if she could live in a United Ireland. After a brief hesitation, she said she’d find it hard to live in a country where there was religious discrimination. Priceless.
"After a brief hesitation, she said she’d find it hard to live in a country where there was religious discrimination"?
it must have been pure torture living all that time in Northern Ireland(NI)
Foster looks like she is always chewing a wasp. This lot are stuck in 1690.
@@Buckets1000 If that were true, then Robbie would be the Looker of the two.
She looks a lot like a certain ManU defender in drag.
@@johnrussell3961 She is a proper geezer.
@@Buckets1000 Don't insult Robbie.
What about the loyalist terrorists? Do they think they are even terrorists at all? Why don't they want them in jail too?
No because that doesn’t agree with their victim mentality
They're all Belfast taxi drivers nowadays
Ah sure they weren't terrorists, they were defenders of their community, there's a difference...apparently 🤷
They are quite happy to have murderers in their communities, they are celebrated.
Because they are on the DUP's side and they help each other out. The DUP pretend they are community representatives and funnel money to them; while the Loyalists keep their communities in line and make sure at election time they all vote DUP. Also when the DUP needs some violence (like the riots over the protocol or the flag protest) they help organise it
The DUP have blood on their hands too.
About time Arelene Foster heard some home truths!👍
For IRA is was self defense , Ulster Volunteer Force was the one who started blowing up bombs in Dublin , all UVF leaders were ex.Brit military officers .
1973 EU did something , forced Westminster to allow people in NI to vote in elections and not only have a Ulster puppet government , set on place by Westminster .
Also it was our former prime minster who negotiated the peace deal , Sir Harri Holkeri for Brits , he died 2004 , KBE awarded by Elizabeth II .
"You look like a man dressed as a woman"
@@yootaobe5536 She looks like Harry McGuire?
To Quote Frankie Boyle The DUP the political wing of the old testament !
I take it that's the same Frankie Boyle who's "comedy" routine about people with Down's Syndrome was similarly neither clever nor intellectually challenging.
@@witchamacallit ya dry shite.
@@witchamacallit he wasn’t trying to be intellectually challenging, he was trying to make people laugh. And he succeeded.
Being a bitter old shrew doesn’t alter the fact others find him funny.
I bet someone’s PIN number is 1755 haha
Frankie the T**g 🥺🤣
The contradiction of Foster's position is she believes the people of the island of Ireland, as an Irish minority within the UK, had no right to vote to leave the UK in 1918. But she believes the British in Ireland, as a minority in the country, had a right to vote to leave the Irish state. But she doesn't believe that the Irish people of Fermanagh and Tyrone (which had clear Catholic majorities pre-partition), as a minority in Northern Ireland had a right to vote to leave Northern Ireland
Democracy for me but not for thee. There was never majority consent from the people of Ireland to become part of the UK, and Foster believes they should not have a right to vote to leave and should be forced to remain a permanent minority, in their own homeland. Hypocrisy and exceptionalism
Nail on head!👏🏻
In a nutshell pal
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"S B "...British in Ireland, as a minority in the country, had a right to vote to leave the Irish state. ..." Wasn't partition a result of the Act of Ireland 1920 not a vote ?
@@angusmckenzie9622 There wasn't a vote on partition, but under the Anglo-Irish treaty Northern Ireland was given the choice to opt out of the new Irish state. Ireland was not given the choice to opt out of the UK - MP Daniel O'Connell was imprisoned for his peaceful Repeal campaign. In 1922 the NI govt passed into law a bill to abolish PR in local council elections and redrew the boundaries to further nullify the nationalist's political influence
Holy shit when Foster compared Ireland claiming the north before the GFA to beating your wife Hoare was absolutely flaberghasted. That was one of the most bizzare things I've ever fucking heard.
But to a God-fearing Ulsterman's wife it's probably not!
800 years of beatings and a genocide of our population while the finest meats...grains...and whisky left our shores...and this septic tank thinks she has a right to trample upon the people of Ireland for eternity???
Arlene Foster, have you stopped hating the Irish and Ireland?
That’s exactly what I thought, he looked stunned.
@@SirAntoniousBlock But with a maiden name like Kelly she is Irish.!
Dear Ms Foster,
A reunited Ireland is an inevitability at this stage, and nobody has done more to ensure this than the DUP. As a fellow Irish, I thank you from the bottom of my heart. I can only assume that you're surreptitiously working for our side. It's the only possible reason. Is Gerry still sending you a weekly thank you card?
Just a few things to help you with the transition:
1. It's Derry. Any attempt to call it L*****derry will result in it being changed to Dublinderry.
2. The 26th of December is St. Stephen's day. That's only a minor thing, so we won't get bogged down.
3. Eircodes. They're amazing. Just enter it into the sat nav, and you're there. No need for a house number.
4. You'll soon get used to the metric system. It makes much more sense than what Britain lumped you with. The imperial system looks like number magnets being thrown at a fridge.
5. Feel free to have your little Orange Pride parades. We'll reserve spaces in Tallaght, Mayfield, Moyross and Ballybeg. Just remember that a fast moving target is harder to hit.
6. Evolution. It's a thing. Read more than one book.
7. You already get called Paddy in Britain, so no change there.
8. Free sTayto are superior. You'll love them.
9. Vauxhalls will now be Opels. Makes no difference, now that they're all French.
10. Gay people are neither evil nor trying to get you.
11. Get learning your new national anthem. The Fields of Athenry is optional.
Any questions, just ask.
Slàn
Leo Varadkar
Your future Taoiseach
You forgot number 12. They’ll be teamed up with a southern Protestant to prove to them that they weren’t all murdered or burned out and that they consider themselves fully Irish, for a period of at least six months or however long it takes for them to accept reality.
😂😂😂😂😂 brilliant 👏
I'm now going to refer to derry as "dublinderry", thanks!
Stellantis is a Dutch Company. Even the French have no say anymore. Poor frenchies.
Can‘t say anything to the rest but it’s sounds entertaining.
Just as entertaining as all the Brexit Hubbub is for us Europeans. Thank you!
@@justin-yz1vq Norther Ireland under the present regime is a failed economic backwater
"Shouldnt have been there in the first place", LMAO!
The British should never have been in Ireland or many other parts of the world in the first place!
Then the Irish shouldn't have taken to raiding and slaughtering the entire populations of English coastal towns 8 centuries ago. If you didn't want a war, you shouldn't have started one. Our hateful murderous grudge is twice as old as the Irish grudge..
@@davetdowell Dave, as the song written many years ago says," for 800 years, we fought you without fear," read a book and check your timelines my friend and fuck off out of our country!
@@davetdowell load of revionist nonsense
@@davetdowell Raiding and slaughtering entire populations - where did you get this information?
Native Irish would say British like Foster family were illegal in Ireland, having taken land by force and waging ethnic horror on the Irish population
The DUP are not only living in the past but a fantasy version of the past.
They really are english then.
The fear for the British people is,they want recreate it.
DUP rebels against democracy. Gerrymandered northern Ireland gerrymandering the UK.
Nostalgia is a terrible thing.
Their cousins in America, act the same way about Black people and slavery. Like how did we get slapped with being lazy, murderers, r@pists and thieves; when this country was built by us and only ran by the lazy murderers, r@pists and thieves? All of this, at the barrel of the gun and forced conversion to christianity. Monotheism was forced on us, and then used to teach us forgive our oppressors, oh and that we are supposed to be servants… like wtf.. 😂
This woman believes the earth is 6000 years old. We've got more important things to do with our time, haven't we ?
Arlene is a bitter woman she and others like her know time is running out for her precious union.
I vehemently oppose her and her point of view, but what she needs is significant mental health help to get over the grief of watching her dd get shot in front of her by the ra when she was like 12 years old. The issue isnt shes intrasigent, its that shes got ptsd/some other untreated condition.
And befoe anyone comes for me, understanding the why and being able to explain a situation does NOT mean you are excusing it. I understand why Boris Johnson is the way he is. would I be likely to excuse him and be subscribed to this channel?
@@sayithowitis1 Are you scared of democracy??
Her and most us living in Ireland
Did she think that because those Loyalist terrorists liaised with Uk security forces they were not terrorists. Every where else normal people would say that state sponsored terrorism is the ultimate in heinous crimes. As the state is breaking and undermining their own laws and sanctioning violence on their own citizens they claim to protect.
That's rich coming from a country whose government openly gave shelter to ira murderers and bombers, whose Garda openly colluded and turned a blind eye to those terrorists operating from the ROI border.
It's amazing that she thinks the claim for the North shouldn't exist when in 1920 75% wanted home rule so you can argue that the north should have never been partitioned in the first place!
saying 75% of the Irish electorate voted the British out in 1918 across the entire 32 counties is not really accurate because 25% of the population were British including military and their families . this means almost 100% of the Irish electorate voted the British out .The British had no authority to partition Ireland they should have left peacefully.
The Irish Government did not give up it's claim.
The Irish people voted in a referendum to change the Constitution and give up the claim.
That was a huge step.
In return for the referendum which will end the occupation.
For peace, to stop the senseless killings and bombings...in Mullaghmore, Belturbet , Dublin and the everywhere else. Strangely Spain are "going mad" over ETA candidates in next General Election...we can't have terrorists being elected.
@ AND A LOT OF OTHER STUFF AS WELL,
There is no occupation no matter how many times people say it. NI voted to stay in the UK 100 years ago, 50 years ago in 1973, and 25 years ago in 1998. NI could have voted to leave the UK at any point since 1998. The UK isn’t holding on to NI, nor can the UK give NI away; it’s up to NI. And the Protocol makes it less likely as NI gets the best of both worlds. Bear in mind the IRA spent more than 25 years trying to bomb the UK out with support from Warsaw Pact countries, Irish Americans, the PLO, Libya etc, and still failed, this after killing far more Catholics in NI than the British Army and RUC put together. Great success!
@@aleph8888 THE more these idiots keep typing ,the more they show their true colours , an Ireland for all they say ,as they are showing us the shower room. I don't think so, the truth is If a Protestant is living in a majority Catholic area they will ethnicly cleansed ,and I'm sure it will be reciprocal just like they did in the border areas .This what happend to Arlene Fosters family ,then later they murdered her school bus driver . I can't think why she hate them.
The DUP very rarely condemns any violence that is carried out by loyalists. They are consumed by hatred and ignorance.
@@sayithowitis1 No peabrain your delusions are irrelevant.
When the English people hear this one talking , they must pray that they can s the back of them asap .
Luckily for Ireland , she said that she would leave Ireland after reunification.
I hope she keeps her word .
Yes and sinn fein are enlightend? you fool
@@sayithowitis1
Don’t understand your reply.
@@sayithowitis1
Well if some loyalists begin a terror murder campaign , then the British will really unleash on them during the transition period which will probably be a 5 or maybe 10 year period .
The British will want to make sure there isn’t any way back for the troublesome orange paddies .
Huge kick in the teeth, more on the way Arl.
The Good Friday Agreement might not be perfect but the DUP have yet to offer anything better.
For decades they were propped up by a century of Downing street pms
Martin between 1922 to 1969 Westminster allowed Stormont to do anything they wanted to do
Plenty of blood on the DUPs hands
The problem with the DUP is not just that they're stuck in the past: it's their warped view of their own position in the present. They think England cares about them and about Northern Ireland when it couldn't be more obvious that it doesn't. They think the British government cares about them when it doesn't. It couldn't be more obvious that the British government treats NI like China treats North Korea: a pain in the arse on their periphery they kinda have to keep somewhat close to but that they wouldn't really miss if it wasn't there.
I wish they felt the same about Scotland
Ireland is barely even a country
@@FrankFurther 😂 You’ll have to explain (in detail) what you stated here!! Let me help you …. Britannica Dictionary definition of COUNTRY: ‘an area of land that is controlled by its own government’. Now, how is this land which following double digit growth in 2022, GDP is projected to remain on a solid growth path of 5.5% in 2023 and 5.0% in 2024. Net exports are the main driver of economic activity, which is also supported by resilient private consumption……’barely even a country’!?
@@FrankFurther Scratching my head as to what exactly you mean by that....
@@maxmartin7080well Ireland isn't controlled by it's own government, it answers to the EU and obeys it's laws hardly a sovereign state more an irrelevant voice in a German, French dominated Union.
Arlene,who said in an interview she would leave NI if there was an SF first minister.
see when British people from N.Ireland go to manland UK they get called IRISH lol that's why they still here lol
@@12bigreddMainland? GB is the mainland of f*ck all. It’s just another island off the coast of mainland Europe.
@@12bigredd I'm over quite regularly and I don't get called irish I get called ulsterman
There is no sf first minister though as stormont is not functioning. The gfa is dead its been broken that many times with the final nail being the protocol. You can't try and trample over the loyalist/unionist community without nothing happening and I would presume the riots last year was just a warm up involving the kids
@@jdfiend : But do they know which of the nine Ulster counties you come from?
Colonisers don't see themselves as invaders.
Ask any English person who people in NI are and most of them will tell you they're Irish
To the Romano British….the angles and the Saxons where invaders.
Fact. Nobody wants them. 💯🇮🇪
The fact is they are colonists. That doesn’t mean we want to throw them out but that is what they’re is
But they ARE Irish. A Scottish person is Scottish and British, a Welsh person is Welsh and British and an English person is English and British. The Unionists in Northern Ireland are the only subsection of the UK who ignore one part of their identity, such is their distaste for the reality that they were born on the island of Ireland.
@@BarryKrishna tell me Englishman (as if anyone else could be as ignorant) would an American from New England automatically be Iroquois according to you? Because they should be according to your logic. We are a culture. Someone like Varadkar isn’t Indian Irish to us. He’s just plain Irish. I know Polish lads who came here as kids I’d call Irish, they know what the craic is. The unionists are colonists because they didn’t assimilate into irish culture, they have maintained their own. They are their own people and you should recognise them as such
Remember that the DUP is the political wing of the UDA.
That would be the Ulster Democratic Party not the DUP. In it's current form Ulster Political Research Group.
Thought That The DUP'S Armed Wing Was Called The Ulster Resistance? (Although Personally I Refer To Them As Being "Descendants Of The Ulster Volunteers")
@Breakthechochamber Didn't They Die Out When The Ulster Resistance Came Along? Thought "Third Force" Was That Fuckwit Paisley's Love Child (And If You Know Paisley Then You Know It'd Never Have Gotten Very Far)
Thats a flipperoonie.
Utter nonsense
What a cheek this planter has, she gives her allegiance to a foreign parliament and a foreign monarch and at the same time lays claim to a part of Ireland which belongs to the Irish nation not the British nation.
Ireland should never have been pertained💚
An evil woman, enter Jeff Lynne
I believe as an Irish man living in Belfast that articles 2 and 3 of the Constitution was my birthright and should not have been given up. Britain has no right in Ireland, never had and never will. Thankfully that day will be realised in my children's lifetime
Good to see you're open minded approach and you're concern for the Unionists standing in 🇬🇧 Ulster 🇬🇧 🤔🤣
@@Merq-ko8di Those that came from Scotland in their thousands will have a part to play in a New Ireland 🇮🇪 and they can retain if they wish their British passport and their culture. Unlike Unionism we valve diversity
@@peterallison-ex4yy .. .. they can LEGALLY hold 2 Passports.. .. .. LEGALLY
@@Merq-ko8di No shit...you must be a very intelligent bloke stating such a well known fact. I was talking about your identity and culture something that will be respected in a New Ireland. A United Ireland is coming thats a fact .....its just how you deal with reality is the problem. Times change and for Unionism it will have to accept. The days of never and uncompromising are over. We are all equal on this Island.
She is fuled with anger and evil. Rotten to the core.
And wears a Christian cross on her neck.
Arlene Foster and her ilk have a very poor understanding of history but more dangerously they have no idea about how the demographics of the province are ultimately going to shape the future. Their future is in a united Ireland whether they like it or not.
Ireland should never have been partitioned in 1922... Sin é.
What should never have happened is Britain's centuries old colonial vindictive interference in other's affairs.
I agree, get the Irish out of England. Ireland for the Irish, and thus England for the English. Never to interact ever again.
Dhb da!
Actually they have never spoken Brythonic or any language descended from it, such as Welsh or Cornish, apart from, possibly, the Norman barons from Wales who were the very first to interfere.
Cornish and Welsh patriots have pointed out that they have no such right to call themselves such.
The only other people who can be called British correctly are those of Breton descent such as those with names ending in -at, -att, and -art.
I'm also of part English, Irish Canadian (grandmother's maiden Kathryn Loreto Mulligan), and Scottish, amongst other things.
It's the Hanoverian-Norman Protestants who have oppressed you, and us Brits. You're beef should be with them, not us!
And with the Romanist pseudo-church which collaborated in the suppression of the Irish language.
Return to the True Orthodox Church suppressed and martyred by the Romanist Norman invaders of the Hiberno-British Isles.
Yes, and Rome should never have conquered the ancient Britons.
I agree.
But at least the Britons can do the Monty Python gag about "what did the Romans do for us?".
The Irish cannot say the same about Britain 's involment in their affairs.
She looks reasonably healthy - Irish re-unification will happen in her life time.
Lol
@@Buckets1000 yeah and the stupid BBC and I think Sky banned it until fairly recently. Must have put the wind up them 😂 what were they afraid of????
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@@Buckets1000 😅
She looks like she's been dragged through a hedge backwards.
You are so right in every word you have said. I find it terrible to listen to Arlene Foster and the answer she gave. The MP was excellent.
Evening Max and all here ! ❤🙂
As a Northern Ireland Protestant, and a supporter of the Agreement, I am sad to say that, although terrorist violence has dramatically reduced, the bitterness and division is still existing through inbred dominance.
These dinosaurs have to go ,it's no good for the North of Ireland, no government , no investments and no interest, because of Snarlene and her DUP cronies!
Split NI into 6 parts
Return to RoI one by one
Over the span of 18 years
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
The DUP have got some serious growing up to do.
It would take about 5000 years for these dinosaurs to cath up with the rest of us ..
Max, you ask “how do we approach this?” The answer is, we don’t approach this at all. There’s no need to approach it. Ireland is well on the way to reunification as it is. Let’s leave this alone here…..
They left out that this wasn't a one way street. The British government also amended its claim over Northern Ireland under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement. The British government agreed that if at any time in the future a 50% + majority were to vote for Irish re-unification in the six counties that there would be a United Ireland.
Ireland as a whole voted to leave the UK in 1919 but the northern unionists refused.
When the UK as a whole voted to leave the EU I wonder why Scotland didn't just refuse? 🤔
Because the Scots don't want to turn our country into the next Northern Ireland. The English would be more than willing to put tanks in St George's Square or sail gunboats up the Forth.
@@sayithowitis1 You keep vomiting up those numbers like they actually mean something. Scotland pays more into the UK than it gets back.
When eventually Ireland reunites through a democratic vote they can still vote in their own people as their representative but under a Irish government that they will be part off Or they can come back to the mainland and live their lives there
Why would they go to Europe!!!!!
Sadly, these small minded people don't have the capacity to change, they can only offer fear and hatred, to people of Northern Ireland - these people represent the past, a united Ireland, within Europe, is our future. Arlene and Co., will be firmly placed in the 'dustbin of history' and the sooner that happens, the better.
Re Simon Hoare
I wouldn't call it an enormous step, it was a concession re peace in return for the option of future reunification re self determination North and South of Ireland.
Unification was only ever going to be viable peacefully by using a mechanism such as this given the history of colonial settler culture by Britain in the North.
By calling it an enormous step he makes out that Ireland's claim to the North was illegitimate also, which I don't believe it was. Ireland was a conquered country and colonised and its people treated appallingly for centuries by Britain/England. That's the history.
As for Arlene Foster, well not surprising really.
The DUP had and have long standing links to terrorism in the North, even helping set up Ulster Resistance.
Re the prisoners
It was a conflict and post a conflict people who were involved are often released
We were an easy going tribal people before the English came 800 years ago..
What do you expect from a woman who when asked by a Catholic whose father had been killed by Loyalists (and who had forgiven them) whether she could forgive the IRA for injurying - not killing - her father she said NO?
Is she aware that loyalist prisoners were released under the Good Friday agreement?
The UK as a whole is centuries behind civilised countries as far as political systems, and democracy, are concerned ... the DUP is just a bit more obvious.
Half agree because our system is very archaic by comparison now, but not sure about 'centuries behind' because a lot of reforms in continental Europe occured either post war or around the middle of the C19th.
If Britain had a less deranged national myth around the industrialised slaughter our working class were subjected to by the failures of reprobate aristocrats in the C20th I think we'd probably have a better system by now as well.
Brexit has greatly increased the likelihood of Irish reunification. It’s delicious to watch the DUP (big fans of Brexit) crumple as this reality slowly dawns on them.
Foster has often complained about the release of people convicted of resorting to violence during the troubles. She refers to them as terrorists. She is of course referring to republicans , although if cornered she will say that she includes all people who used violence no matter what their political hue. She claims that it was very unjust that these people were released early. However, I have never heard her complain of the injustice of the hundreds of members of the so called security forces who committed murder and other terrible crimes and never served even one day in jail.
The solutions a united Ireland 🇮🇪
Arlene Foster has an impertinent, unhistorical view, and I share the view that Northern Ireland should not exist. It should be tolerated not recognised, Putin remarked that he annexed the Crimea on the sae principles as the UK set up and claims Northern Ireland as a province
This is an excellent illustration of the mindset of the DUP. They cannot for a moment see that the belief that Ireland is one country is evey bit as legitimate, if not historically and culturally more so, as their belief that Northern Ireland is British. To dismiss the very difficult and generous gesture of the rest of the Irish people to change nothing less than the Irish Constitution FFS, especially considering how badly Britain had treated the Irish for centuries and how badly the Northern Ireland Unionists had treated those in Norther Ireland who identified culturally as Irish, right up until they were forced to recognise their basic rights by the GFA, is both appalling and so small-minded. These people are hard to love.
How badly we treated them? They came to our shores and started slaughtering our people 8 centures ago, but your hatred of the English is such that you will never accept the Irish have done anything wrong, and that thus you can make up lies about how badly we treated them. If they didn't want a war of attrition, they probably shouldn't have started one.
@@davetdowell What lies, Dave? And what makes you think I hate the English? I have great English friends and colleagues.
@@barryolaith The lie that the British are to blame. Your forebears started the murderous relation between our people, when they slaughtered the entire populations of English towns.
We didn't come for you, you came for us. Like when your murderous forebears thought they'd colonise Northumbria, slaughtering our population on their way to it.
If you don't like your war of attrition, take it up with your own people. We have the receipts, so your lies are meaningless.
@@davetdowell Eh ?
@@davidhunt4454 There's nothing to "Eh" you don't get to rewrite the history and blame the English/British for what the Irish started.
It's time to call the furnisher removers Arlene don't let the door let hitor hit you on the arse on the way out.
Geez! I see a political dinosaur. It's time for Arlene Foster to move on.
@Lloyd Belle " It's time for Arlene Foster to move on" She announced her resignation on 28 April, has she rescinded ?
@@angusmckenzie9622 I know she has resigned; but once a politician, her status will always be politically associated.
However, it was not her political status, but her political views that I was referring to. Specifically the Good Friday 'peace pact' Agreement where she clearly still holds resentment on its result after 25 years.
Their loyalty to England is only conditional that no Catholic be head of state or prime minister, Tony Blair had to leave office before converting to Catholicism. The no Catholic prime minister is covered under the act of settlement which states "that no Papist shall advise the crown" also "No Papist is worthy to wear the crown of England" Now you can see where their loyalty to England comes from.
Always amazes me how this woman can where a cross around her neck without bursting in to flames!😂
Wonder what Jesus would make of the DUP . He did forgive sinners but …………..
NI was only ever a gerrymander squigle on a map around some invading planters.
It was the setting up of Northern Ireland that was illegal. This woman is typical of the thinking in that backwater.
The problem for her is that she no longer is.
Ireland joining the UK on the first place was illegal!
Was she against the release of unionist terrorists?
Yes
No of course not nor the British military who’s soldier’s shot innocent people, soldier F has never been convicted, she only speaks against Nationalist and our own identity of been Irish that her rhetoric…
@@Buckets1000 The GFA must be scraped to allow proper democracy in NI or we will keep having the same behaviour ,3 Years the Sinners collapsed Stormont for So we have a way to go yet with the DUP but your silent on that issue .Let the people decide who is to be the Government of which ever persuasion ,but you won't want that because it's the GFA your hiding behind .
@@gfinlay5855 Not everybody shot is innocent
Split NI into 6 parts
Return to RoI one by one
Over the span of 18 years
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British racism has moved on. Tommy Robinsons mum is irish. My english cousins are nationalists. And they love the irish.
Having a laugh Paul?
I think we can all agree that releassing terrorist from jail or reassuring them that they won't go to jail is immoral (the same is true of war criminals). However it is sometimes the price of peace, and there is of course always the question of one persons terroist is another persons freedom frighter.
Then again if anyone from NI gets upset about it then the only people they can blame for it is the population who voted in favour of it.
Northern Ireland itself should never have existed as per the election held in 1918. Northern Ireland was created as a support to the Conservative party, nothing to do with keeping the sides apart. In 1921 this backwater failed sectarian statelet was formed in order to secure a few grubby votes for the Conservative Party. This is what Edward Carson thought of it at the time
"I believed all this. I thought of the last thirty years, during which I was fighting with others whose friendship and comradeship I hope I will lose from tonight, because I do not value any friendship that is not founded upon confidence and trust. I was in earnest. What a fool I was. I was only a puppet, and so was Ulster, and so was Ireland, in the political game that was to get the Conservative Party into power. And of all the men in my experience that I think are the most loathsome it is those who will sell their friends for the purpose of conciliating their enemies, and, perhaps, still worse, the men who climb up a ladder into power of which even I may have been part of a humble rung, and then, when they have got into power, kick the ladder away without any concern for the pain, or injury, or mischief, or damage that they do to those who have helped them to gain power."
I watched this entire committee live and my God the DUP stood out as extremely dumb. Arlene Foster wasn't so bad but Jim Shannon and Carla Lockhart were an embarassment to the human race. John Alderdice greatly impressed me.. He took no Shit from Shannon and Lockhart. He is a very clever and straight talking man
I watched a lot of that committee meeting on parliament channel too and found Carla Lockhart unpleasant to listen to. The others were respectful with each others views including Arlene. Lockhart as usual spouted a one sided narrative that is customary for her.
Agreed, such a clear analysis ' a malignant tumour in the body should not be there.', let's get rid of it?let's treat it? let's provide a remedy?let's meet and discuss it?let's try various treatments? That is what has been happening with NI, a disfunctional entity, in my opinion. A state built on supremacy by one section of the people over the other.
For allowing terrorists out of prison... Bring up the photos of Paisley and Robinson fraternizing with loyalist paramilitaries please.
Max this is the most inarticulate explanation, you should have left this alone. The Unionists don't need any help digging the hole from anyone. They are doing a great job all by themselves.
In a round about way, I concur with former DUP Leader Arlene Foster saying "Getting rid of something that shouldn't be there in the first place..." but from the point of view that Partition should never have been there in the first place. The last all of Ireland general election December 1918, immediately after WW1 where hundreds of thousands of Irishmen, North & South, fought, were wounded or died serving in the British Army. Out of 105 MP's elected, 79 were pro-independence, only 23 pro-union!
I preferred him in Cracker.
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Arlene declares :"Should never have been there in the first place". Well, at least, the DUP and the Nationalists are at ONE, with that sentiment. 😮😂
Domestic violence. She used domestic violence to buffer a non existent point. Christ on a motorbike
The most Northerly point of Ireland ie "Malin Head" is in the "South" .
Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you on experience. Mark Twain.
Does she wonder what the rest of the uk thinks about NI
50 years in power and couldn’t make a go of unionism
Britain like much of Europe has had Catholic and Protestant kings and queens and fought against each other for hundreds of years, but the rest of Europe stopped caring about Catholic Vs protestant hundreds of years ago, why was Northern Ireland still caught up in sectarianism right up to the 80's when the rest of Europe moved on?
Regarding the statement made by Arlene Foster regarding they Unionist attitude to the Republic giving up its claim on Northern Ireland (Six Counties) ,it would have been interesting to hear her response if the honourable member for Dorset had put the following question to her
“why does Northern Ireland consist of 6 Counties ,why not 4 or the traditional 9 Counties of Ulster.
"It should never have been there in the 1st place" ... She sums up how I feel about the border between the Republic and Nordienirelan
Why are some Armed groups around the world called, Insurgents, or Rebels, or Seperatists, or Militants, or Guerillas, or Fighters,, but when it comes to Ireland you use the word Terrorists ????????‽????
Why is That ............
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No Arlene, the border should never have been there in the first place.
It’s the number one area in what’s left of the empire that the British government would love to have nothing to do with.
A very honest talk and you are right in everything you said
Arlene has done more to bring about a United Ireland than any other political figure. For this alone, we owe her a great deal! 😇
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I would add Boris in there too, along with Farage
The MP should have asked "do you have any empathy ? Can you not put yourself in the shoes of the Irish Government for even a second ?"
If Northern Ireland becomes free from the British rule before Scotland I will be moving there. .
@@sayithowitis1 I wouldn't be to sure the wind of change is coming.
@@sayithowitis1 Thats democracy buddy.
How the heck did Mark Durkan listen to that school yard shit coming out of Foster and not challenge it!
Why do unionists always sound aggressive?
Comes from ignorance
The dup will always be stuck in the past
This shows clearly that unionism just cannot accept the the Northern Ireland state is and has been since it’s creation a disputed territory.
Until unionists publicly come to terms with the fact that they live in a shared space and stop viewing those with whom they share it with utter contempt, they will never lead their community towards reconciliation.
This British till we die attitude is utterly ruinous. I would look forward to reassuring Arlene of the protection of her communities rights and identity in a new Ireland.
Does she care about the status of Ireland 🇮🇪 before Norman's invasion and plantation
There were always stuck in the past and always will be
From the distance this reminds me of the divided Cyprus.
Old Men are struggling there about old themes.
Let´s hope time will sort it out.
Arlene Fester, living in the dark ages.
The DUP shouldn't be there in the first place.
@@Buckets1000 Ireland was united in many ways before the Norman/Anglo invasion of the 1100s and united linguistically, lawfully, culturally and socially right up to the 1700s before British rule took hold.
Ireland was actually more unified in the 17th century than Britain is in 2023.
1. Ireland was united before the coming of the Brits/Normans in 1169 as we had one law for the whole island i.e. *Brehon Law*
This particular law was in place for 1000 years and was first set down on parchment in the 7th century.
This law was operational in Ireland even until the completion of the English conquest of Ireland in the early 17th century. Brehon Law is seen today as very advanced for that time.
Brehon Law is hugely important and not to be overlooked as insignificant. *Brehon Law was very advanced for that era and was even in use right up until the 17th century before the Brits took hold*
2. The whole island was *united linguistically as we all spoke Old Irish*
The Irish language is around since the Bronze Age and is about 2,500 years old. We all shared the Irish language so were linguistically entwined.
3. *We were united both culturally and socially, too all the while operating under one law and conversing in Irish*
One's culture is based firmly around many different parts of everyday life and pre-Norman invasion, Gaelic Irish style of dress, music, dance, sport, social gathering, architecture, and art was nationwide.
4. We had unity albeit political unity, but where and when, even today, has politics ever been united!?
Are the folks in Westminster united? Are the folks in the Dáil Éireann united? I think not.
Conclusion:
The truth is the British invasion destroyed our laws and language therefore creating division - the invasion tried to divide the people and successfully partitioned the island.
Ireland was united in many ways before the British arrived and will be reunified when Britain leaves.