I think the biggest thing that goes against Yoshi P saying to go play other games is auto-demolish on houses being as short as it is. It should at least be two months. 45 days is such a wtf number.
It was 30 days way back in the before times, then when Fukushima happened (I think, it was either that or a natural disaster and people were unable to play) it got raised to 45 to alleviate some of the OMG I got to log in pressure, and has been sitting there ever since.
FFXIV is not maintaining their older playerbase at the moment very well. Most of my casual FC does not login anymore since about a month of DT release, but we've all been playing for like 3-6+ years on and off. Eventually you reach a point where you've done things that you want to do, and don't care about... doing stuff like all the yellow quests? Etc. I think the healthiest way for an MMO to move forward is to consistently add content that makes the wider base of paying players to want to continue paying. Right now SE is not doing this. FFXIV's competition is honestly kind of blowing them out of the water at the moment in this respect, and it's really unfortunate. FFXIV's team needs to recalibrate their dev pipeline because this DT cadence is bad.
Played since 1.0 here, Dawntrail made me finally quit, had some breaks before during each expansion, but this time I have no desire to return unless they completely change up the entire game next expansion.
My first MMO was WoW. It got to a point where the grind was real, if you weren't on every day trying to keep up, you would get left behind. It got to a point were I would jump on and I didn't know what to do. I have been playing FFXIV for over 4 years now. I am so in love with the story, the play style and the community. It is so nice to hear someone's opinion not be so angry about the content currently out. My friends and I are caught up on the story and the new quests but that allows us to work on some things we might not have been able to before. We are working on getting mounts from endwalker, trying the criterion dungeons and overall achievement hunting (some of those ARR crafting and gathering extremes are something else). There is soooo much to do in this game even when there isn't new content. And it is fun to try and play some other games in the meantime, especially when on maintenance our fc will play some Jackbox. But love that your commentary is very level headed. You're awesome!
If I'm going to justify a subscription there needs to be more than what's on offer. Meanwhile players can say there's plenty of content, and while not strictly wrong, the issue is that there isn't enough that's *enjoyable* to do. Most of what's on offer is just busy-work, and unengaging. I get that if you're someone who has very little free time you probably feel like you're drowning in content, but there are plenty of people with lots of time to kill who are always up to date with what's being released. Sure, they can go do something else (and they do), but as a business relying on a subscription model the goal is to keep players subbed so you keep making money. If you're already drowning in content and they decide to add more... well, nothing changed for you, did it? The player who wanted a reason to stick around but didn't have one though might actually keep that subscription running. Just one sub isn't a whole lot of income, but if it's tens or hundreds of thousands of subs it's meaningful income.
I feel the same way honestly. Yes there is plenty to do (and I have done most of it, been playing a long time now), but the game needs activities that have more meaningful replay value and not, as you said, unengaging busy work that is pretty much one-and-done stuff. At times it ends up feeling like a big buffet of cheap food rather than a meal truly satisfying. Just as you alluded to, people want to play this game, and being told "too bad, go play something else" feels pretty bad when everyone should want their gameplay experience to feel fulfilling, not just people on extreme ends of the spectrum. For me personally it isn't even necessarily about having more to do per se, I just wish things were more engaging; dungeons in particular come to mind (way too linear, way too easy, way too formulaic and predictable).
I agree, like, if you look at tribe quests it's looks like almost nothing will change if they replace it with just blue side quest chain. Like Tataru one. But this will free time for devs to add something more interesting... like dunno, remember seasonal event FATE where you was given a set of buttons to "dance and soothe" big bomb? Something more engaging and experimental like that.
FFXIV is amazing for new players that jive with it. If you've been around for an expansion or two by this point, you're probably bored out of your mind unless you play like maybe 4-8 hours a week or something and don't skip anything. I think that's the real issue.
ive put 6000+ hours into this game since stormblood alone and i still am inundated with content i havent done and would like to do. i have a saint of the firmament title and i STILL havent finished the restoration. theres so much to go back to and do and relearn if people genuinely want to do it. hell, crafting logs exist and fishing logs exist with week-long waits for fish and so on so forth. there's glamour, the social aspects, housing (even if its just an apartment its still a lot to decorate AND theyre wanting to expand the interior decor limits!!!) and so much more. this game is one i take breaks on and still come back to whenever i want.
The truth is, this game stretches content without FOMO. They planned these 3-6 month patch cycles with each patch content that could be completed in less than a month. I can understand why veterans would be frustrated, but if anyone is a SHB-EW sprout whom hadn't even done Deep Dungeons, old Relic grinds, Field Operations, they don't belong to the category whom deserves to complain about the game. The issue is how most MMO veterans are content gluttons. They sped through a new expansion in matter of 2-3 days, grinded the living hell out of shared FATEs in matter of one week, grinded for mounts for next couple of weeks, then proceed to say they're done with the game......that took 2-3 years to make. FFXIV actively avoids abysmal RNG setups, but these MMO connoisseurs approached FFXIV content like ravenous beasts, all because they only want the fresh and headstart experience. The fact is, most live-service games uses grind objectives and RNG to prolong their consumer playtime. Their replayability rests heavily on PvP, or PvE gameplay that doesn't run on scripted sequences. FFXIV is a complete opposite : Your PvE boss moves are timeline-scripted and you have a pity baseline totems and books that guarantees loot after a specific amount of clears. And tomes being capped at 450 per week sums up that one job can be fully geared(except weapon) in 6 weeks without winning any loot. There are 7 gear types and 4 accessory types in this game so there's more than plenty of time to ensure you can gear every job before the next endgame patch cycle(e.g. 7.0 -> 7.1 -> 7.3). People whom are whining about PvE weren't into PvP either(look at the audience reactions whenever PvP notes were read in PLLs).
If it wasn't a game built on a monthly subscription, the pillars of social and FC engagement and the rot that this mentality creates for those communities, and the long-time issue of housing holding your sub hostage, I would agree with you. Unfortunately these are all true.
Sucks to be you. You know what i do when I'm not having fun playing a game I stop. But keep blaming everything else but yourself. But but but this fake house in this game its forcing me to take my card out of the wallet and pay $15 a month for it I've got no control of my life. Ty to people like you that nothing changes since you all cannot control yourself.
@@XT91 FWIW I am not subbed presently and haven't played in about 3 months - I'm a Legacy player, I have a vested interest in the game. Thank you for the insults though, you seem rational. Regarding specifically housing - there is content legitimately locked behind it that you need an FC house to access (airship/submarine exploration). If you want that content you stay subscribed. The problem is the disconnect between a statement saying 'go take a break while the game is void of fresh content' and then a game design that says 'I will punish you if you take a break when the game is void of fresh content' - if you don't think that is at all problematic then you are somewhat deluded.
@paulsmith950 I mean I am pretty rational I'm the one who stops doing things I don't enjoy. Your the ones who keep doing stuff you don't enjoy. You've rationalized housing to be a unique situation even though playing the game at all on any level requires a sub but somehow housing is unique. You've rationalized that not having immediate access to airships/submarine, which I don't even think is the real reason I'm pretty sure people are just vain and want to keep their housing and the majority of them are just personal housing, as "punishing" or "problematic". So whos the deluded one. Also do quote my "insults" people like to reflexively go on defense to shield themselves from critique surely my joke about the inability to control yourself and be "force" to pay for a game you don't inherently find fun or good surely that wasn't it. Man surely that doesn't constitute insult what a low bar no wonder words have no meaning on the internet anymore.
Let me keep my house without natual disasters, and I'll unsub and play other games while there's nothing new to do in FFXIV. Also people SHOULD be mad, and be even more mad, that the game is catered to raiders and no one else.
@@elgatochurro That's great. I also got into new things I never did much before during my 4 years of playing. But now I've ran out of things to do. And if my lazy butt has, think of all the players who did all of that stuff ages ago. There's nothing NEW to do anymore for players who don't do savages. The new society is completed, the custom delivery is completed, the few sidequests are completed and people got most or all of what they want from the alliance raid and dungeon.
@ kewl, and as they say "please enjoy other games" I take long breaks from the game as well, and have a lot to still complete. the base game itself is still fun for me after all these years, running dungeons and such.
I like that I don’t have a million things to do right now; when I jumped in, it was just before Endwalker released. I’ve still barely scraped the surface of the game. Having less now allows me time to engage with older content and get “caught up”, essentially.
You're wrong here because you simply don't pay a monthly sub just to get told to play something else after 1 week. Games that ask you for monthly payment need to reach a baseline of quality and quantity when it comes to content. XIV is not doing that. The main problem why people are burned out is that the "new" content is not new and simply the same formulaic stuff reskinned. The amount of reskinned assets in this game is insane.
I'm not even finished with the 7.0 msq because of school, work, wedding planning, and going through it with my fiancée who has a full time job. I'm so glad that there's no fomo and we can take our time enjoying it, even if only for a couple hours a week.
Of course there's something else to do within the game. I can always go back and do older content, if I want to, but not everyone wants to 100% the games they play. I don't understand how adding more content to the game will create FOMO or burn out. You are an adult, if you can't play right now, play when you can!!! A lot of people missed out on Eureka and Bozja, but that content is still there to do. And let's be honest, the worst FOMO I have seen in any MMO is tying your house's *progress* to whether or not you're subscribed. It is wild that demolition exists as it does and it feels like you have to pay rent to keep something you've invested so much gil and time into. Sincerely, I don't understand why people are still saying to play another game when they have issues and concerns. This worked in Shadowbringers, but we're way past that. To be honest, they probably will! And they probably won't come back!!! A monthly subscription and an expansion should be worth the purchase. This game has been so successful, but the standard has stayed the same. I don't want to play a subscription based MMO to only realistically use a quarter of the time I'm paying for. If this game was a one time purchase, I wouldn't mind, but Square Enix has made so much money off of this game, they need to invest into it.
I like the slow period because it’s when I do my ultimate prog. That being said, when I get into another game I really enjoy (Elden Ring, BG3, etc), I find myself groaning at having to login to FF14 for 3hrs a day to do current content. If they were dropping something significant every patch, that misery would never end. Downtime isn’t the end of the world.
The housing demolition timer is genius, you can tell your player base “go play other stuff” and barely release content, but force them to keep paying monthly.
I've played for thousands of hours... And I _just_ started leveling Blue Mage. And I like the fact that I can relax and do side-content without feeling the need to rush to catch up with the MSQ too...
Honestly, I’ve been doing a lot of grinding for a while in FFXIV. I now have all jobs to lv100 and finally completed at least one relic for each expansion, among other goals. Now I’m taking a break by finishing some other games I’ve been putting off before I dive back into FFXIV and new goals therein. Even with everything I’ve done? There’s still a bunch I haven’t done such as Deep Dungeons and Blue Mage stuff. Like, there is SO MUCH to do in the game and people vastly underestimate it imo. Unless they kept up with every last achievement since ARR, I highly doubt they actually have everything possible completed. If they want more FFXIV, I’m sure there’s plenty of achievements in areas they haven’t touched to go exploring.
There might be "plenty to do" in your eyes, but for people like me who have tried other things and either didn't like it or enjoy it. I hate maps and deep dungeons nor do I have any interest in raiding. All jobs maxed and leveled, Eureka and Borezja complete with mounts, all mounts from trials currently. The stuff I do enjoy has not been released, and they keep just feeding the small percentage that raids. They are feeling it now with sub counts dropping and the reception of the terrible story that is yawntrail.
To those that don't raid: There's a lull in content. To those who raid for mount collection: "If I don't think about the totem fights, they won't hurt me." 50 clears of a fight that PF can rarely put together competent farm parties for? Not content, it's torture. I do agree there's a legitimate lull in content for non-raiders though. Not entirely a bad thing, but I hope 7.2 adds some more on the table.
Haha I've seen the lengths some people go through for those mounts. Especially when you can't get the mount through the totems yet. You couldn't pay me enough money to suffer like that
I pay a subscription. I want content. Simple as that. I pay to play the game, I pay for the expansions. I should get frequent updates to keep me hooked.
you paid what they advertised, and have been advertising. idk why you're expecting more than that. if someone told me to pay to get slapped why would i be surprised when i get hit? just stop paying for something you dont like 4head.
bro pays 20 dollars monthly for a gym membership without gym equipment because it doesn't pressure him to use the equipment it's no wonder xiv is dropping in numbers and failing to attract interest if the playerbase they fostered themselves is so emotionally tied to the game they just want to pay the money to afk in limsa because it makes them feel they are part of a community I would assume if you're a fan of the game, then you want the game to be successful and to grow and improve over time, not be stagnant and appealing to people who like to pay money for the game and then go play something else instead. When it comes to the "no fomo" part, thankfully someone already mentioned that the thing you were supposed to invest time and currency into which is housing, is deleting all of that when you stop paying sub for about a month and a half, which by definition is worse than fomo since you don't fear on missing out, you are losing something you already had. There's something to learn about the non-fomo approach from Guild Wars 2, which unlike XIV commits to the idea fully with the core system of any MMO, being the progression system. FFXIV community is unfortunately self-destructive in the long term, since people like to think it's all good and the game is doing great, but in reality it's just about how many dawntrails in the row can it survive Customers actively working against their own best interest is nothing new, but xiv community really elevates this concept Have a great day and be a little bit critical even towards things you like yourself
@@PaullieBambino "i enjoy good games and you enjoy being the victim" - man complaining that a FREE TO PLAY video game isnt pleasing him enough go play something else, you poor widdle baby
@@elgatochurro you sound like a hrothgar player who sits in limsa 24/7 with nsfw mods on. Its okay to defend your passion but do it in a respectful way.
@InnocenceAVX "you're just here for the sex" bruh I have access to hentai, I don't need the game or subscription for that... No I'm tired, such to DEATH is the constant negativity on the game just cause it's popular AF. Always something wrong and the game "deserves to die" because it doesn't meet whatever complainers personal opinions. "I want more housing, I want a sandbox, I want permanent death, I want more hair styles, I want an arpg, I want gw2". It's constantly complaining, a perpetual tantrum and whatever is bad about the current game or seen as such is used as a reason for the game to permanently end, yet so you see ANYONE IN GAME losing it like that? NO! The majority of players, "casuals" as if that's an insult, are happy and having fun. Even the current freak out "OMG player numbers dropped to 2l around 1 million active players, games dead guys". 1 million active players, live at average, and that's bad? And then there's people like you who just throw insults because you've got nothing better to do with your life BUT throw a tantrum. "You're just addicted to the NSFW rp of the game" why are you even here? WHY? I left overwatch, I've left league, I've left games I'm not feeling like playing and I'm not on their forums and RUclips videos discussing them all the time. I simply moved on, yet you're here, reading all this and doing what? That's your big reply? This is your life?
I am one of those individuals who has 22+ thousand hours into FFXIV, and have about 80% of the achievements accomplished. I personally don't want anymore content haha. The game does offer a lot to players, but so many don't want to tap into different types of content for any number of reasons. Which is fine by the way! But I learned over the years that the best way to enjoy FFXIV is to treat it like a Japanese dinner. Instead of one big bowl of noodles in front of you, there are many dishes on the table with all kinds of different foods to enhance the experience and taste. If one finds more things to enjoy in FFXIV; they will enjoy the game more, and stay more active. This does not apply to everyone; but I highly encourage players to always try out content they never did. The lull periods are so nice because it allows me to explore the game in a more relaxed mood. I get how people feel on wanting more content, but I personally feel there is enough already, and this is someone who has done most things in this game.
I love the food analogy. It was deliciously on point. We have a plethora of options, and even more coming out when patches hit, but some of those options aren't the right flavor for some, but there's so many people looking at this delicious spread, grabbing a single bowl of Ramen, and then claiming there's nothing else on the table to eat or try. And if they've been eating from the various dishes and just don't find themselves hungry anymore, then maybe it might be time to try another restaurant for a little while, no harm done. :D
For me I wish it didn't take nearly a year for them to release the post Dawntrail content they hyped up. Where's the relic? This would be perfect to give players something to do in these (what feels like) perpetual dead periods of zero content for non raiders. Where's the new Bozja? Where's the Island Sanctuary in space? Instead its an hours worth of MSQ, a single Hildibrand quest, a dungeon and a beast tribe. That's it? That's supposed to tide us over until what? April? June? I appreciate the sentiment of "don't treat the game like a job" but the whole "play something else" feels like such a cop out to avoid valid criticism of the snails pace content release schedule sometimes. Saying "Play something else" while deleting your house if you're gone too long is also wild (yes I know auto demo is perpetually off anymore, but that's not the point) "Oh go back and do-" I swear to god if I have to do ARR content I'm going to usher in a calamity. I'm so sick of the same 3 buttons lol I have a super cool kit at 100, I want to use it outside of expert roulettes or normal raids. It also feels like SE is taking money from XIV and not putting it back into the game and instead pissing it down the drain on NFT bullshit and games that flop out of the gate. Yet they're still releasing SINGLE CHARACTER ONLY outfits and mounts for 20$+ which is extremely scummy, especially when you remember that they USED to be account wide until they stopped doing that to milk more money out of alt addicts. I love FFXIV. I have 10k hours into this game over almost 5 years. I want to see it succeed but I'm frustrated with it. It can be better, way better. Edit to add: FFXIV is my first and only MMO.
I quit my FFXIV sub - mainly bc of lack of content, im not paying monthy sub to a game that gives me (maybe) 2hr of content every 8-10months.. as an casual player NONE OF THE content given was FOR ME!...it's only for hardcore players..
I finally made time to start Dawntrail and after I finished msq I started leveling Viper and boy o boy ...I forgot how toxic tank healer duos are in casual content. This is the part of the game I did not miss at all...then trying out Jeuno for the first time and since I'm so late to the party everyone forgets that players need to prog the raid before they know what they're doing and I've gotten dismissed from the raid twice just for failing a mechanic I did not understand and nobody in the 24 man raid offered helpful advice they just made passive aggressive comments on my gameplay. Of course I didn't take it too personally, but again it's a very toxic part of the game I did not miss. In fact I rather these players get bored faster and reduce the number as much as possible.
I've never heard of anyone getting kicked from an alliance raid for anything other than a disconnect, what server is this? Jeuno isn't exactly a raid with crazy body checks so I can't see how you could even be singled out.
Quit about 2 months ago, got boring doing the same things over and over and FC was silent all the time. Removed my CC info yesterday not to get charged for more. :( Maybe if I would have had a more active and chatty FC it would have been better.
I appreciate you, Bubbins. Still working on getting those subs online since I saw your video over a year ago, haha. It's a steady grind but it's getting there!
Basically got them all to rank 80+, only thing I've been stuck on is getting the materials for those final recipes, because I promised my crafter friend I'd make these from scratch. Taken.... Longer than I anticipated, but it's getting more more experience towards getting to JORZ, so it's something!
I dont want it to be a full time job either. Thats why I want both Field Operations and the Cosmic gather crafter thing out already. 7.1 latest for both. "Well that doesnt sound like you want the game to not be a full time job!" yes it does. Now instead they will be released i 7.2-7.5, closer and closer to the next expansion with little VERY little room to work around. What all this shit means to me in the grand scheme is they would rather you make it a full time job by not having anytime to finish it so you rush. Lets say this isnt the case, then they are releasing content with SUCH LITTLE lackluster amounts of content to do. They have a job to do now, due to their worst MSQ in the games history releasing to get on players good graces again. And right now, I dont see that happening. EDIT: All this I talked about. Would still be there. Waiting for you.
One of my biggest gripes is how the devs don't seem to (want to?) tap into evergreen content. With minimum effort, they could introduce new incentives without having to introduce new content. Some examples: - Remove extremes from mentor roulette, and remove the mount achievement for all I care. I want to spam it to help newcomers with their queue times, especially the many quiet ones. But because I don't like extremes, that roulette is permanently locked to me. They could even add a second version of that roulette without the extremes, but let me help the quiet newcomers that are stuck in queue! - Introduce New Job+. I want to be able to level all jobs again _on my existing characters._ Creating an alt is far too much of a commitment, so that's not an argument. Add the option to choose your starting level - for example: level 50 for Viper - and players will have infinite replayability. The tech exists to introduce a scaling weapon so they don't have to add new weapons for lower levels. Players themselves can source gear if need be. For those who don't like leveling: your queue times will be quicker and there will be economic opportunities that rise from this. There's no downside to you - Introduce a Glamour Catalogue. If I want a new glamour, I want to coordinate the pieces first, then target them. The game forces it the other way round, which is just impossible and infuriating. - Allow players to store their current housing decoration in a template, then clear out their entire residence so that they can redecorate, then save that second decoration placement in a another template and allow people to swap between them. This will be great for seasonal changes, should help venues and will generally make housing more interactive again. For all the pain one has to go through to get a residence, it's a decorate once, forget forever after because of how much of a pain the inventory management is. Apply this to apartments and private rooms as well. Some 5-10 template slots would be great, but a minimum of 4-5 would allow seasonal options as well as personal variations. That's just a handful of things that will never lose relevance and should require minimal effort, provided the game's engine isn't too cooked to handle it. The game doesn't waste my time, but also _doesn't allow me to waste it._ I think that there's an important distinction there.
finally a breath of fresh air with your take... honestly its so toxic with how content creators go on about the game. If you dont want/have anything to do then just simply stop playing. People have this strange attraction to the game that once something isnt as great as before or they run out of things to do they grow bitter and hate it, it goes beyond just disliking a game and moving on. they genuinely seethe about it. Sadly thats what most the community has become now a days. Just bitter angry people.
I use the time to play other games - However, this doesn't make me like FF14 less. It does highlight things I think the game should improve upon, but in terms of the whole package, it is rare that any one game itself does enough things right to be worth dropping FF14 completely. Indeed, the most important thing someone can do with their gaming hobby is play more games - And if that means they stop playing FF14 because they found a game they jive with better, isn't that a good thing? Life is too short and the planet's getting too hot to spend your life playing a game you don't enjoy. All things end. And that's okay. One day FF14 will end too, or someone's time with it. What matters is if the time you spent on FF14, or anything else, is something you enjoyed, even if it lead you to playing something else you liked better.
I'm still loving picking at things. I'll never do savage raids on content let alone anything harder then that. I would like to but the players I run into that do that, are not all that welcoming so I don't bother. I know a lot of folks want a new Bozja or Euerka but those are my least fav content. Ironicly because it feels so solo, even though it is built for mass players it quickly becomes a how fast the meta is found and everyone soullessly follows the meta. The game cannot please everyone and we need to admit that. I'm still mad about the game not giving two races the same love an attention the others get. Hair and hats being at best drip fed to Hroth and Viera is not fair. They just added another outfit to the mog station where the hat doesn't work, and the new customer delivery reward is a glam outfit where again the hat doesn't work. And she's a hroth so a lot of players are going to turn around and try and give her that outfit and learn no hat. Doesn't matter that I dislike both these new outfits that's still bad. However the actual game play has never been better for me. Why I ended up liking Dawntrail so much I had fun. I want to say 7.0 was a better time then 5.0 for me. Some doom says say all the jobs feel the same, but the small differences are huge for me. Though it could easily get worse so we need to be careful. But all I see online is other doom posts, of "14 bleeding players, this story sucked so whole game is bad, or I hate character X or their actor". Not saying I want this game to be untouchable I got problems with the story, but its the same problem I've always had. We keep forgiving bad guys to easily. Zenos is not your friend and anyone that really wants to forgive him, makes me nervous. However I do agree to the folks that hate logging on just to refresh their house and feel they are wasting money during their breaks for that. No idea how to fix that problem.
No, it's not okay... because maybe, I don't know, maybe you started playing recently and it seems like that to you, but it hasn't always been like this. I understand that they are working on multiple projects simultaneously now or simply can't keep up the pace, but the updates have become longer and smaller. They take a patch, break it up, and release it in parts: this part after 2 weeks, another part after a month, another part after 2 months. When they used to release the whole patch together (at most, it was just a few fights after). And the monthly patches that came out (remember, we pay a monthly subscription, so every month they should add something, like all subscription games do) were actually new things and not just the same patch divided up...
My only gripe in the game across every expansion is that I think Island Sanctuary was a total failure to me and the complete opposite of what I wanted, other then that, I couldn't be happier.
Meanwhile, I'm a fairly new player stomping around in Gridania trying to not look like a headless chocobo. I've played other MMO's before, but nothing seems as huge or overwhelming as FF14.
@Bubbins Thank you for replying. Wise advice! I'm someone who prefers playing support, so I want to be a great white mage and help others out. Just socks I can't convince my real-life friends to play. FF14 seems to have a reputation in the mainstream for being a "furry game" and that seems to push normies like my friends away. It's a shame some people think that since the game is so well made.
I remember it feeling overwhelming at first, the sheer amount of content, but the important thing to realize is that you aren't *required* to do any of it. You only have to engage with the content you want to engage with at any given time. It's there *as a feature* not *as a requirement* so just have fun! It will still be there later if you change your mind and become interested in something else later :)
I see where you're coming from, especially since I'm a casual completionist that wants to get most or all of the achievements over time. But the problem with the content lulls is that many players end up leaving, and the game just feels a lot more lonelier. Yes you could go back and catch up on old content, which is something I do here and there, but many people don't exactly find the thought of going to Eureka and syncing down to Lvl. 70 and dealing with the empty instances very exciting. Nowadays, I only play with friends on weekends for mount farms and maps, but you can only do those so much. Players will always be more interested in doing stuff together if it's new content. I remember randomly hopping on weekdays with friends to work on the Yokai Event back when it was brought back, or simply having FC members to talk with throughout the day, back when the content lulls wasn't as bad. I'm sure some will tell me to get new friends, but my current ones really are great, and this is clearly a bigger and not personal issue if there's such an uproar over it. The problem with content lulls isn't necessarily that there's nothing to do, but rather that there's nothing really exciting going on, and it's creating this domino effect of many players going inactive, and the active ones feel less motivated to play because of that. But I do understand where you're coming from, and I do think it was worth mentioning, since people haven't really been approaching it from that angle.
The release schedule this expansion sucks. Catering to raiders since release was a mistake, its why sub count is dropping. They had the goal of making the Chaotic raid as a way to get more people interested in raiding, but then raid designer said oops got carried away and made it more savage like. If you want to satisfy both sides patch .xx should alternate between them, instead they have catered to the small percent that actually does hardcore content and left everyone else starved until 7.2, its a very dumb decision.
The downtime between patches feels bad when we're promosed more content and it doesn't materialize. Especially when we're paying a monthly fee on top of the price of admission for the expansion. This isn't a small indie company that needs to budget between hardcore raiders, in between content and easy content. We should be able to have it all. I'm one of those people who have done a big chunk of content so i have a good base reference of how much content we used to get in ARR and Stormblood. These days content updates are a trickle and takes 25% longer to see it.
I appreciate the breaks between content. It's given me time to work on leveling all my jobs, work on alts, as well as just catching up on content I otherwise never would have gotten to. I feel like FFXIV just has so much variety that it's hard to really be bored with the game, if anything, I hit an issue of decision paralysis.
Honestly, I am glad that there isn't much new stuff. I've played this game non-stop since April, starting with Free Trial and eventually finished the DT Base MSQ. When new stuff came out, I didn't bother and just focused on alt levelling and filling out other stuff in the NG Plus catalogue. Until I finally decided to take a break from it shortly after New Year's and play other games instead. I didn't even do the endgame Raids that came with the base release. Since I don't do these things without tomestone gear and the current tomestone grind just isn't worth the lost time. I rather wait until the next XPac is released and the current endgame gear can be bought with Poetics instead. Right now, I am enjoying another playthrough of Cyberpunk 2077 and finished my playthrough of #BLUD a few days ago, as well as a playthrough of Turok 3 Steam. I will come back to FF14, but again, I wait until the next XPac, while in the meantime, I can finally enjoy other games, after playing FF14 constantly, almost every day for over half a year. ^^;
Idk I just look at the Challenge Log and Achievements tab and see all the content I can get through while handling life on the side. Im not touching DT considering its lack luster opinions and its only been a few months so naturally there is nothing in there. But anyway, are excited for MONSTER HUNTER WILDS!?!? Hell yeah! FFXIV can rot for all I care, its over.
It hasn't been since the launch of Dawntrail, it's been since the release of 6.1 almost 3 YEARS ago. They've released an overwhelming amount of content that's either super casual one and done or super hardcore. There's almost no long term midcore multiplayer content. This space was traditionally filled by the relic weapon grind, but they had the "genius" idea to make that generic tomestone farming for EVERY step. For anyone that doesn't understand the issue, allowing people to do anything to get the relics means they'll either keep doing what they're doing (casual) or do the most efficient thing, hunt trains. This means players not only don't have new content to engage with like Eureka or Bozja but also that they wont be cycled back into previous content to breathe new life into it like HW relics and the Bozja side quests. EW was the perfect opportunity to make older content like ShB FATE farming a part of the relic process much like they have for the HW and StB FATEs, except for ShB you'd have the massive benefit of helping new and old players finish their shared FATEs way easier. On top of that the secondary effect of this is raring it's head, which is that in the early patches of a new expansion people would usually go back to the previous midcore activities and get the other rewards or relics and probably do it with their friends. But EW has none of this content and you can't rely on similar content from StB or ShB because many people did all of that during the lockdown. They focused so much on making the game single player friendly that they took the MMO out of the MMORPG.
I don't think you people know how to use this word "midcore" you've all rally behind for the last 2+ years. But it seems to be the go to for any complaint so you can't fall into the casual cliché but can still complain about stuff. I can't wait for this meta to be over its been very boring.
@ Don’t be obtuse, I’ve completed all of the relic farms in the game, I know exactly what kind of content appeals to players that fall between casual and hardcore and EW didn’t have anything like it.
@@SuperEffector I'm not you can literally ask 100 youtube commenters who parrot midcore and none of them can agree what it means. And it seems to just be that way so people can lump whatever they want into complaints. But you yes you the current youtube commenter you know what the game needs. lol ok sure thing.
@@XT91 I know a lot of people have different opinions on what it means, however despite that there is a consensus on the fact whatever midcore is, there isn't a lot of it right now. Also I have in fact thought a long time about what midcore is without resorting to subjective metrics like skill or time invested. Objectively it's the scale of preparation and coordination. Don't need either? Casual content. Need one of them? Midcore. Need both? Hardcore. It's that simple, and any player of any skill can understand it. For example Eureka and Bozja need preparation from the player, but you don't at all need to coordinate with anyone unless you're doing BA or DRS. Dungeons? You can run those completely blind with no issue. Savage? You need to know what you and other players are doing. No matter your skill level these things are true for the overwhelming majority.
Loosing your house and not being forced to sub can't work togheter. There is a lot of content to do old and newer what is super boring what old beast tribes, they are so bad and boring to do, 50000 super boring fates to get the new mount. Its not a f2p or b2p game its a sub game where people pay every month so they would want to play it. Problem with ff 14 is that they wait with adding few new things every few month with big patch, instead of doing more often smaller patches what will give something new to do.
After 5k hours I am finally going on the journey to lvl up my crafters. It's my new years resolution. Finished the tier so I can focus on some more chill content. I'm on the second zone of Eureka and maybe next year I'll do that. I also have a few nintendo games I wanna finish.
Dawntrail has added so very little. This expansion has failed. Saying old expansions added good stuff doesn't help the shit state this expansion is in.
I think something many people who complain about "content droughts" never mentions, it's not possible for any developer to make content faster than the players can complete it. They could have 10k people working on the game, it still would be slower than us. Personally I'm content with the 2-3 weeks of full blast then back to a very mellow get everything important done in like 2 4 hour sessions a week. Something IRL comes up? FFXIV isn't on my mind. A new game comes out? FFXIV can be solved in a day or 2, or minimal time a few days a week. Got a little bit of extra time and feel like playing FFXIV? Plenty of side objectives to work towards. Was nice to see the other side of the argument again, so rare to get the calm side of "it's okay".
@@christopherbailey3547there's a measure of truth about what you said for sure but, when it comes to DT, I don't think that's the issue (I mean, if you really wanna get CoD goodies it's a huge farm). What I feel, is that they dropped a lot of hard content in a row and left the more casual part of the community with very little new stuff...there will be stuff, mind you, exploration zone, the new gathering/crafting content, best master, artifact weapons...but they should have dropped one of those already because there are a lot of players just waiting for casual content...
I think the break is nice. 🙂 It gives plenty of time to pace yourself for the content, and not have to rush it to keep current. No kicking yourself indefinitely because you didn't log in in time for xyz event and it's perma gone now.
I want you to understand the irony of you saying that it's good that the game lacks content because you dont feel the need to stay, but right after you explain how much content you still have you can do. Yes us that have played it for a long time have nothing to do to, that is the point Nobody is saying that the game lacks content overall, but it lacks content if you're caught up, which you haven't. FFXIV is lacking compared to most MMOs when it comes to content. Even gw2 is able to keep you more busy. Content on its own doesn't mean it all of a sudden turns into a job. Gw2 is proof of this. Ask anyone if they feel a must to stuck around in gw2. Yet it has a ton of things to do. SE has no excuse to not add more considering they got an insanely big increase in revenue in the past 4 years. They are just greedy and lazy.
As someone who likes to play a bunch of games, rather than stick to just one, I agree entirely. I realise that as a (relative) sprout (about 200h in but I'm only in HW post-patch quests) I'm not necessarily representative of the wider community but as someone who _is_ eager to get to all of XIV's content eventually, knowing that it's not stacking up infinitely keeps me actually coming back to the game, rather than giving up. (Especially if the content that _is_ coming out remains high quality? Less stuff that's more fun to actually play, given my limited free time? Please!) e.g. being able to sink most of the last month into Path of Exile 2 without stressing about the catchup has been great, and now I'm back to plowing through the MSQ, all without worrying about a. how much content is there, but more importantly, b. whether it'll even still be there by the time I GET to lv100!
i'm also done with all the "new" stuff. But the long list of "prior" content is what i work on in down times like now. i love that theres no pressure to complete the old things. I love the way old content is still relevant and enhances the story. Or the down time gives people the time to play other games or do other things. In "other" games you are timegated. if you miss days sometimes you never catch back up.
It's nice to see some more level headed commentary 👍 While I agree that it's ultimately not that bad for the majority of players, I do personally wish there was a relic grind to start on, or even just an exploration zone earlier.
Meanwhile I've been playing the hardest content in the game since launch, it's called, try to get noticed and be liked as a male hyur and refuse to change to a viera for attention. It's the hardest content in the game because with my experience, people don't even know you exist if you're a male hyur. People only like viera mostly, then all the others secondly. Join the challenge everyone, stop playing viera like a trend follower and be original, play the race people only notice when it's and npc. So far I'm the only one on on the leaderboard and I've been getting world first every expansion and patch. Moral of the story, show male hyurs some love too. Stop ignoring them because "we don't wanna see a basic ass human in a fantasy game, use a fantasia or get out of my datacenter"
i played viera coz my nickname at home literally means 'rabbit', not because i think they're THAT cool. I hate the fact that SE made male viera looks like those kpop idols and how EVERY one in this game tried their best to feminize or femboy-nize this race. When male viera announced, I was hoping we would get some sort of warrior/hunter looking type but obviously not. Whenever i went to eorzeagallery to search for glam ideas, 95% of male viera on there were femboy or feminized.
@pastaboy1338 yup that's another overly done trope with male viera. People lack originality now. Not just im ffxiv, but in everything. Everyone just follows a trend instead of making them like a cool person.
I think people have gotten so used to games demanding 100% of their time that when a game allows them to have a life outside of it they dont know what to do with the extra time. There are so many things to do in this game, people who have played it for years and still have stuff left to do. Ofc, it depends on what you want from the game, but as you said, there are other games out there you can play if you dont want to wait. People are acting as if they are forced to play ffxiv when it is very clear that it is not the goal of SE. I do have my gripes with the current system of many things, like they constantly introducing new glam items but we still dont get a glam plate per job, and that is not even counting DoH/L, but majority of people arent asking for improvements, they are asking for the game to occupy 100% of their time while only wanting to do high end content. Imho, over new content, I would rather have improvements in how the current available content works. The portrait new feature was huge, instacast esuna? gimme 30 of those, the new housing update to come that will allow you to get an M size house and change the interior to be like an L, we need more of that.
Tbh I'm actually kinda glad there's not much new content to do yet because Rivals takes up a lot of time plus I've made it a goal to 100% a few games this year. If anyone is looking for game recommendations, I'd highly recommend the Yakuza/Judgment series, RDR/RDR2 and the Ace Attorney games! I do wish we'd get some relic to work towards but it's early into the expansion - it'll come soonish. Always enjoying your videos, Bubbins!
I think the game is good the story was awful though, hopefully we lose this last group of complainers we gained from the wow exodus. I mean just go play wow I hear its a great game you all talk about it all the time but you won't go play it. There's a lot of stuff I'd like to see change that aren't just these soft platitudes youtubers have been parroting ad nauseum for last few weeks but I've haven't ran across any video talking about them.
nice to see someone who actually shares my same opinion for once. the discourse, as usual, is getting super toxic over very little lol. this game was a breath of fresh air after i left destiny and ESO, some of yall dont realize how much *non hardcore* content there is in this game. its not as geared towards it as people think, i feel like.
I love seeing videos like this! I personally adore content lulls because they give me the opportunity to try other games. If not for that, I'd probably find it really difficult to step away from XIV. I have been playing for about 5 years now and I still havent even unlocked every job! I just play when I want to and dont when I dont. The community can be really exhausting with the negativity and criticism, so it's great to see a more down to earth perspective c:
"I love seeing videos like this! I personally adore content lulls because they give me the opportunity to try other games. If not for that, I'd probably find it really difficult to step away from XIV." " I just play when I want to and dont when I dont. " Imagine needing the game to tell you to stop playing.
@@Aitherea It's exhausting having valid criticism over the direction of a game you love being dishonestly phrased as just "negativity and exhausting" and people coming into the conversation with silly comments like: "I like that the game lacks content because I lack self-control." Just to shut down the conversation. More content wouldn't harm you, but it would benefit people who want it. Unless you admit that you have 0 self-control? I mean what would you do if they removed all the "moisture" from your Au'Ra? You'd probably get quite upset, making a few videos about it. :)
For those of us who enjoyed the game for friends and connections it's terrible. Our friends leave, then we come back at different times, and no friends, and now it's just a multiplayer game not an 'MMO'. Things are worse than they used to be. The stuff left in the game, is press X brain dead junk. Where is the battle content. Doesn't matter now even if there is. LOTS of people have left. Like 'everyone' I knew who wasn't ultimate. I only know one person who did savage who doesn't do ultimate.
I think having thousands of hours in a game, and then saying there is nothing to do, just shows the one with the problem is you. If a game gave me a 1000 hours, it already succeeded in satisfying me. No game is meant to entertain forever. I’m a super new player that has like 10 hours in only, and I can tell it will be worth investing my money and time in this for the next 2 years.
The lack of content issue people use is a joke, there is so much to do in this game, so much old content and achievements already take months. My issue is the story is rubbish these days. SB was average, ShB was really good, since then its been average at best
The funniest thing is that if we are really going for details then Dawntrail currently has more and much higher quality Content than in Endwalker when it was on the same patch state. Personally i enjoy DT currently so much more then Endwalker during the same x.1 state, especially because of the quality of the Content, i would call myself a semi harcore raider doing just the Savage and Ex stuff and dipping sometimes in Ultis. But even then Endwalker really did not satisfied me outside of "raidlogging" wich is why my biggest break i had in EW during the same timeframe we are now in DT. DT i consider rn as one of the better expansions for now, while the content is for now not that many, the quality is high and its fun to do my dailys and weeklys. And while i definitly belong to the more "elistist" Group that has done most of the content already. I still cannot really complain besides the Job system wich is currently the worst since ever. But thats for another time. I play since Heavensward so i have seen this Game shift and change much more than some other players, and currently... we are back to a better state from a Game perspective. However i definitly can understand frustration if "raiding" is something a player dont want to do, and by that lock themselves out of content. But in my experience, that was allways in every expansion the case. Endwalker and Heavensward was there not so different. And the last one was infamous for being the worst Raid expansions for well known reasons.
The content quality in DT is the best we have since STB,c what are you talking about? Don't confuse the MSQ with the rest of the game! The dungeons are better, the Alliance Raid is great, the Ex trial are good, the 8 man raid is great, we got the Chaotic Alliance. I have no idea what you're talking about...what content has worse quality in DT? Apart from MSQ, that is
@@sophiastorm8616 i agree about chaotic raid its very fun, but the 8 man savage is worse than pervious expansion and the current ultimate is by far the worst ultimate imo, the alliance raid is still worse than both shb and sb, even jobs are not that fun to play even the new jobs, and we don't wanna talk about how bad the msq lol
@ savage is betther than EW although not so well tunned, aliance raid is a lot bet then EW , and imo, by a mile. the ultimate is not the best but it's far from being bad. the dungeons are also the best ones in ages. i wont talk about jobs because i dont agree with the mob's opinion. there are jobs with issues like DRK and picto must be tunned but is fun to play and so is viper. the MSQ wasnt good but that's 1 aspect of the game and it's far from being over. ARR wasnt good either.
Thank you! There are sooooo many other games that I want to play so I’m quite happy with there not being to much casual content added at this time and I’m glad that other people are feeling the same.
I think the biggest thing that goes against Yoshi P saying to go play other games is auto-demolish on houses being as short as it is. It should at least be two months. 45 days is such a wtf number.
It was 30 days way back in the before times, then when Fukushima happened (I think, it was either that or a natural disaster and people were unable to play) it got raised to 45 to alleviate some of the OMG I got to log in pressure, and has been sitting there ever since.
@@justindane5410 Gotcha gotcha. Hmm. They probably see it as a money maker, sadly
@@justindane5410 It originally wasnt going to have a limit. They sold the first houses on the idea they would not be taken away.
You don't need a house
@@justindane5410it was during earthquakes in south America I think and people were without power for 2 months, was about 2017ish I think
FFXIV is not maintaining their older playerbase at the moment very well. Most of my casual FC does not login anymore since about a month of DT release, but we've all been playing for like 3-6+ years on and off. Eventually you reach a point where you've done things that you want to do, and don't care about... doing stuff like all the yellow quests? Etc. I think the healthiest way for an MMO to move forward is to consistently add content that makes the wider base of paying players to want to continue paying. Right now SE is not doing this. FFXIV's competition is honestly kind of blowing them out of the water at the moment in this respect, and it's really unfortunate. FFXIV's team needs to recalibrate their dev pipeline because this DT cadence is bad.
Played since 1.0 here, Dawntrail made me finally quit, had some breaks before during each expansion, but this time I have no desire to return unless they completely change up the entire game next expansion.
I’m Glad There’s Nothing New to Do in World Of Warfcraft
You see how wrong that sentence looks?
My first MMO was WoW. It got to a point where the grind was real, if you weren't on every day trying to keep up, you would get left behind. It got to a point were I would jump on and I didn't know what to do.
I have been playing FFXIV for over 4 years now. I am so in love with the story, the play style and the community. It is so nice to hear someone's opinion not be so angry about the content currently out. My friends and I are caught up on the story and the new quests but that allows us to work on some things we might not have been able to before. We are working on getting mounts from endwalker, trying the criterion dungeons and overall achievement hunting (some of those ARR crafting and gathering extremes are something else). There is soooo much to do in this game even when there isn't new content. And it is fun to try and play some other games in the meantime, especially when on maintenance our fc will play some Jackbox. But love that your commentary is very level headed. You're awesome!
If I'm going to justify a subscription there needs to be more than what's on offer. Meanwhile players can say there's plenty of content, and while not strictly wrong, the issue is that there isn't enough that's *enjoyable* to do. Most of what's on offer is just busy-work, and unengaging. I get that if you're someone who has very little free time you probably feel like you're drowning in content, but there are plenty of people with lots of time to kill who are always up to date with what's being released. Sure, they can go do something else (and they do), but as a business relying on a subscription model the goal is to keep players subbed so you keep making money. If you're already drowning in content and they decide to add more... well, nothing changed for you, did it? The player who wanted a reason to stick around but didn't have one though might actually keep that subscription running. Just one sub isn't a whole lot of income, but if it's tens or hundreds of thousands of subs it's meaningful income.
I feel the same way honestly. Yes there is plenty to do (and I have done most of it, been playing a long time now), but the game needs activities that have more meaningful replay value and not, as you said, unengaging busy work that is pretty much one-and-done stuff. At times it ends up feeling like a big buffet of cheap food rather than a meal truly satisfying.
Just as you alluded to, people want to play this game, and being told "too bad, go play something else" feels pretty bad when everyone should want their gameplay experience to feel fulfilling, not just people on extreme ends of the spectrum. For me personally it isn't even necessarily about having more to do per se, I just wish things were more engaging; dungeons in particular come to mind (way too linear, way too easy, way too formulaic and predictable).
I agree, like, if you look at tribe quests it's looks like almost nothing will change if they replace it with just blue side quest chain. Like Tataru one. But this will free time for devs to add something more interesting... like dunno, remember seasonal event FATE where you was given a set of buttons to "dance and soothe" big bomb? Something more engaging and experimental like that.
FFXIV is amazing for new players that jive with it. If you've been around for an expansion or two by this point, you're probably bored out of your mind unless you play like maybe 4-8 hours a week or something and don't skip anything. I think that's the real issue.
I really appreciate this perspective. Thank you for the reminder that video games don't always need to be go, go, go! :)
It's hard to even admit it to yourself sometimes when games have their hooks in you with time limited events, battle passes, seasons, etc.
30,000+ hours on current character... Still can't be bothered to finish everything.
ive put 6000+ hours into this game since stormblood alone and i still am inundated with content i havent done and would like to do. i have a saint of the firmament title and i STILL havent finished the restoration. theres so much to go back to and do and relearn if people genuinely want to do it. hell, crafting logs exist and fishing logs exist with week-long waits for fish and so on so forth. there's glamour, the social aspects, housing (even if its just an apartment its still a lot to decorate AND theyre wanting to expand the interior decor limits!!!) and so much more. this game is one i take breaks on and still come back to whenever i want.
The truth is, this game stretches content without FOMO. They planned these 3-6 month patch cycles with each patch content that could be completed in less than a month. I can understand why veterans would be frustrated, but if anyone is a SHB-EW sprout whom hadn't even done Deep Dungeons, old Relic grinds, Field Operations, they don't belong to the category whom deserves to complain about the game. The issue is how most MMO veterans are content gluttons. They sped through a new expansion in matter of 2-3 days, grinded the living hell out of shared FATEs in matter of one week, grinded for mounts for next couple of weeks, then proceed to say they're done with the game......that took 2-3 years to make. FFXIV actively avoids abysmal RNG setups, but these MMO connoisseurs approached FFXIV content like ravenous beasts, all because they only want the fresh and headstart experience.
The fact is, most live-service games uses grind objectives and RNG to prolong their consumer playtime. Their replayability rests heavily on PvP, or PvE gameplay that doesn't run on scripted sequences. FFXIV is a complete opposite : Your PvE boss moves are timeline-scripted and you have a pity baseline totems and books that guarantees loot after a specific amount of clears. And tomes being capped at 450 per week sums up that one job can be fully geared(except weapon) in 6 weeks without winning any loot. There are 7 gear types and 4 accessory types in this game so there's more than plenty of time to ensure you can gear every job before the next endgame patch cycle(e.g. 7.0 -> 7.1 -> 7.3). People whom are whining about PvE weren't into PvP either(look at the audience reactions whenever PvP notes were read in PLLs).
If it wasn't a game built on a monthly subscription, the pillars of social and FC engagement and the rot that this mentality creates for those communities, and the long-time issue of housing holding your sub hostage, I would agree with you.
Unfortunately these are all true.
Sucks to be you. You know what i do when I'm not having fun playing a game I stop. But keep blaming everything else but yourself. But but but this fake house in this game its forcing me to take my card out of the wallet and pay $15 a month for it I've got no control of my life. Ty to people like you that nothing changes since you all cannot control yourself.
@@XT91 FWIW I am not subbed presently and haven't played in about 3 months - I'm a Legacy player, I have a vested interest in the game. Thank you for the insults though, you seem rational.
Regarding specifically housing - there is content legitimately locked behind it that you need an FC house to access (airship/submarine exploration). If you want that content you stay subscribed.
The problem is the disconnect between a statement saying 'go take a break while the game is void of fresh content' and then a game design that says 'I will punish you if you take a break when the game is void of fresh content' - if you don't think that is at all problematic then you are somewhat deluded.
@paulsmith950
I mean I am pretty rational I'm the one who stops doing things I don't enjoy.
Your the ones who keep doing stuff you don't enjoy. You've rationalized housing to be a unique situation even though playing the game at all on any level requires a sub but somehow housing is unique. You've rationalized that not having immediate access to airships/submarine, which I don't even think is the real reason I'm pretty sure people are just vain and want to keep their housing and the majority of them are just personal housing, as "punishing" or "problematic". So whos the deluded one.
Also do quote my "insults" people like to reflexively go on defense to shield themselves from critique surely my joke about the inability to control yourself and be "force" to pay for a game you don't inherently find fun or good surely that wasn't it. Man surely that doesn't constitute insult what a low bar no wonder words have no meaning on the internet anymore.
@@XT91 Cool story bro.
@@snaffu1 It is what it is.
Let me keep my house without natual disasters, and I'll unsub and play other games while there's nothing new to do in FFXIV.
Also people SHOULD be mad, and be even more mad, that the game is catered to raiders and no one else.
I'm having fun with pvp, being a mentor and getting into dol
@@elgatochurro That's great. I also got into new things I never did much before during my 4 years of playing.
But now I've ran out of things to do. And if my lazy butt has, think of all the players who did all of that stuff ages ago.
There's nothing NEW to do anymore for players who don't do savages. The new society is completed, the custom delivery is completed, the few sidequests are completed and people got most or all of what they want from the alliance raid and dungeon.
@ kewl, and as they say "please enjoy other games"
I take long breaks from the game as well, and have a lot to still complete.
the base game itself is still fun for me after all these years, running dungeons and such.
I like that I don’t have a million things to do right now; when I jumped in, it was just before Endwalker released. I’ve still barely scraped the surface of the game. Having less now allows me time to engage with older content and get “caught up”, essentially.
You're wrong here because you simply don't pay a monthly sub just to get told to play something else after 1 week. Games that ask you for monthly payment need to reach a baseline of quality and quantity when it comes to content. XIV is not doing that. The main problem why people are burned out is that the "new" content is not new and simply the same formulaic stuff reskinned.
The amount of reskinned assets in this game is insane.
I'm not even finished with the 7.0 msq because of school, work, wedding planning, and going through it with my fiancée who has a full time job. I'm so glad that there's no fomo and we can take our time enjoying it, even if only for a couple hours a week.
Saying there is no fomo is wild considering pvp has it as does every seasonal event
You'll lose that house eventually and then we'll see how you appreciate it.
Of course there's something else to do within the game. I can always go back and do older content, if I want to, but not everyone wants to 100% the games they play.
I don't understand how adding more content to the game will create FOMO or burn out. You are an adult, if you can't play right now, play when you can!!! A lot of people missed out on Eureka and Bozja, but that content is still there to do. And let's be honest, the worst FOMO I have seen in any MMO is tying your house's *progress* to whether or not you're subscribed. It is wild that demolition exists as it does and it feels like you have to pay rent to keep something you've invested so much gil and time into.
Sincerely, I don't understand why people are still saying to play another game when they have issues and concerns. This worked in Shadowbringers, but we're way past that. To be honest, they probably will! And they probably won't come back!!! A monthly subscription and an expansion should be worth the purchase.
This game has been so successful, but the standard has stayed the same. I don't want to play a subscription based MMO to only realistically use a quarter of the time I'm paying for. If this game was a one time purchase, I wouldn't mind, but Square Enix has made so much money off of this game, they need to invest into it.
I like the slow period because it’s when I do my ultimate prog. That being said, when I get into another game I really enjoy (Elden Ring, BG3, etc), I find myself groaning at having to login to FF14 for 3hrs a day to do current content. If they were dropping something significant every patch, that misery would never end. Downtime isn’t the end of the world.
The housing demolition timer is genius, you can tell your player base “go play other stuff” and barely release content, but force them to keep paying monthly.
Omfg you don't need a house lol
@ Unless they move my Free Company workshop and 4 submersibles to my apartment omfg I do lol.
I've played for thousands of hours... And I _just_ started leveling Blue Mage.
And I like the fact that I can relax and do side-content without feeling the need to rush to catch up with the MSQ too...
Honestly, I’ve been doing a lot of grinding for a while in FFXIV. I now have all jobs to lv100 and finally completed at least one relic for each expansion, among other goals. Now I’m taking a break by finishing some other games I’ve been putting off before I dive back into FFXIV and new goals therein. Even with everything I’ve done? There’s still a bunch I haven’t done such as Deep Dungeons and Blue Mage stuff. Like, there is SO MUCH to do in the game and people vastly underestimate it imo. Unless they kept up with every last achievement since ARR, I highly doubt they actually have everything possible completed. If they want more FFXIV, I’m sure there’s plenty of achievements in areas they haven’t touched to go exploring.
There might be "plenty to do" in your eyes, but for people like me who have tried other things and either didn't like it or enjoy it. I hate maps and deep dungeons nor do I have any interest in raiding. All jobs maxed and leveled, Eureka and Borezja complete with mounts, all mounts from trials currently. The stuff I do enjoy has not been released, and they keep just feeding the small percentage that raids. They are feeling it now with sub counts dropping and the reception of the terrible story that is yawntrail.
To those that don't raid: There's a lull in content.
To those who raid for mount collection: "If I don't think about the totem fights, they won't hurt me."
50 clears of a fight that PF can rarely put together competent farm parties for? Not content, it's torture.
I do agree there's a legitimate lull in content for non-raiders though. Not entirely a bad thing, but I hope 7.2 adds some more on the table.
Haha I've seen the lengths some people go through for those mounts. Especially when you can't get the mount through the totems yet. You couldn't pay me enough money to suffer like that
It is pretty bad for non raiders though, part of the reason subs are dropping
I pay a subscription. I want content. Simple as that. I pay to play the game, I pay for the expansions. I should get frequent updates to keep me hooked.
you paid what they advertised, and have been advertising. idk why you're expecting more than that. if someone told me to pay to get slapped why would i be surprised when i get hit? just stop paying for something you dont like 4head.
bro pays 20 dollars monthly for a gym membership without gym equipment because it doesn't pressure him to use the equipment
it's no wonder xiv is dropping in numbers and failing to attract interest if the playerbase they fostered themselves is so emotionally tied to the game they just want to pay the money to afk in limsa because it makes them feel they are part of a community
I would assume if you're a fan of the game, then you want the game to be successful and to grow and improve over time, not be stagnant and appealing to people who like to pay money for the game and then go play something else instead. When it comes to the "no fomo" part, thankfully someone already mentioned that the thing you were supposed to invest time and currency into which is housing, is deleting all of that when you stop paying sub for about a month and a half, which by definition is worse than fomo since you don't fear on missing out, you are losing something you already had. There's something to learn about the non-fomo approach from Guild Wars 2, which unlike XIV commits to the idea fully with the core system of any MMO, being the progression system.
FFXIV community is unfortunately self-destructive in the long term, since people like to think it's all good and the game is doing great, but in reality it's just about how many dawntrails in the row can it survive
Customers actively working against their own best interest is nothing new, but xiv community really elevates this concept
Have a great day and be a little bit critical even towards things you like yourself
You don't enjoy much in life do you?
@@elgatochurro I do, we just enjoy different things - for example I enjoy good games and you enjoy being the victim
@@PaullieBambino "i enjoy good games and you enjoy being the victim" - man complaining that a FREE TO PLAY video game isnt pleasing him enough
go play something else, you poor widdle baby
@@elgatochurro you sound like a hrothgar player who sits in limsa 24/7 with nsfw mods on. Its okay to defend your passion but do it in a respectful way.
@InnocenceAVX "you're just here for the sex" bruh I have access to hentai, I don't need the game or subscription for that...
No I'm tired, such to DEATH is the constant negativity on the game just cause it's popular AF. Always something wrong and the game "deserves to die" because it doesn't meet whatever complainers personal opinions. "I want more housing, I want a sandbox, I want permanent death, I want more hair styles, I want an arpg, I want gw2". It's constantly complaining, a perpetual tantrum and whatever is bad about the current game or seen as such is used as a reason for the game to permanently end, yet so you see ANYONE IN GAME losing it like that? NO! The majority of players, "casuals" as if that's an insult, are happy and having fun.
Even the current freak out "OMG player numbers dropped to 2l around 1 million active players, games dead guys". 1 million active players, live at average, and that's bad?
And then there's people like you who just throw insults because you've got nothing better to do with your life BUT throw a tantrum. "You're just addicted to the NSFW rp of the game" why are you even here? WHY? I left overwatch, I've left league, I've left games I'm not feeling like playing and I'm not on their forums and RUclips videos discussing them all the time. I simply moved on, yet you're here, reading all this and doing what? That's your big reply? This is your life?
I am one of those individuals who has 22+ thousand hours into FFXIV, and have about 80% of the achievements accomplished. I personally don't want anymore content haha. The game does offer a lot to players, but so many don't want to tap into different types of content for any number of reasons. Which is fine by the way! But I learned over the years that the best way to enjoy FFXIV is to treat it like a Japanese dinner. Instead of one big bowl of noodles in front of you, there are many dishes on the table with all kinds of different foods to enhance the experience and taste. If one finds more things to enjoy in FFXIV; they will enjoy the game more, and stay more active. This does not apply to everyone; but I highly encourage players to always try out content they never did. The lull periods are so nice because it allows me to explore the game in a more relaxed mood. I get how people feel on wanting more content, but I personally feel there is enough already, and this is someone who has done most things in this game.
I love the food analogy. It was deliciously on point. We have a plethora of options, and even more coming out when patches hit, but some of those options aren't the right flavor for some, but there's so many people looking at this delicious spread, grabbing a single bowl of Ramen, and then claiming there's nothing else on the table to eat or try. And if they've been eating from the various dishes and just don't find themselves hungry anymore, then maybe it might be time to try another restaurant for a little while, no harm done. :D
For me I wish it didn't take nearly a year for them to release the post Dawntrail content they hyped up.
Where's the relic? This would be perfect to give players something to do in these (what feels like) perpetual dead periods of zero content for non raiders.
Where's the new Bozja?
Where's the Island Sanctuary in space?
Instead its an hours worth of MSQ, a single Hildibrand quest, a dungeon and a beast tribe. That's it? That's supposed to tide us over until what? April? June? I appreciate the sentiment of "don't treat the game like a job" but the whole "play something else" feels like such a cop out to avoid valid criticism of the snails pace content release schedule sometimes. Saying "Play something else" while deleting your house if you're gone too long is also wild (yes I know auto demo is perpetually off anymore, but that's not the point)
"Oh go back and do-"
I swear to god if I have to do ARR content I'm going to usher in a calamity. I'm so sick of the same 3 buttons lol I have a super cool kit at 100, I want to use it outside of expert roulettes or normal raids.
It also feels like SE is taking money from XIV and not putting it back into the game and instead pissing it down the drain on NFT bullshit and games that flop out of the gate. Yet they're still releasing SINGLE CHARACTER ONLY outfits and mounts for 20$+ which is extremely scummy, especially when you remember that they USED to be account wide until they stopped doing that to milk more money out of alt addicts.
I love FFXIV. I have 10k hours into this game over almost 5 years. I want to see it succeed but I'm frustrated with it. It can be better, way better.
Edit to add: FFXIV is my first and only MMO.
I quit my FFXIV sub - mainly bc of lack of content, im not paying monthy sub to a game that gives me (maybe) 2hr of content every 8-10months.. as an casual player NONE OF THE content given was FOR ME!...it's only for hardcore players..
I finally made time to start Dawntrail and after I finished msq I started leveling Viper and boy o boy ...I forgot how toxic tank healer duos are in casual content. This is the part of the game I did not miss at all...then trying out Jeuno for the first time and since I'm so late to the party everyone forgets that players need to prog the raid before they know what they're doing and I've gotten dismissed from the raid twice just for failing a mechanic I did not understand and nobody in the 24 man raid offered helpful advice they just made passive aggressive comments on my gameplay. Of course I didn't take it too personally, but again it's a very toxic part of the game I did not miss. In fact I rather these players get bored faster and reduce the number as much as possible.
What server are you on that's like that?
I've never heard of anyone getting kicked from an alliance raid for anything other than a disconnect, what server is this? Jeuno isn't exactly a raid with crazy body checks so I can't see how you could even be singled out.
Quit about 2 months ago, got boring doing the same things over and over and FC was silent all the time. Removed my CC info yesterday not to get charged for more. :( Maybe if I would have had a more active and chatty FC it would have been better.
you know you could have easily found antoher fc.
I appreciate you, Bubbins. Still working on getting those subs online since I saw your video over a year ago, haha. It's a steady grind but it's getting there!
Let me know how it goes!
Basically got them all to rank 80+, only thing I've been stuck on is getting the materials for those final recipes, because I promised my crafter friend I'd make these from scratch. Taken.... Longer than I anticipated, but it's getting more more experience towards getting to JORZ, so it's something!
I dont want it to be a full time job either. Thats why I want both Field Operations and the Cosmic gather crafter thing out already. 7.1 latest for both.
"Well that doesnt sound like you want the game to not be a full time job!" yes it does. Now instead they will be released i 7.2-7.5, closer and closer to the next expansion with little VERY little room to work around. What all this shit means to me in the grand scheme is they would rather you make it a full time job by not having anytime to finish it so you rush. Lets say this isnt the case, then they are releasing content with SUCH LITTLE lackluster amounts of content to do. They have a job to do now, due to their worst MSQ in the games history releasing to get on players good graces again. And right now, I dont see that happening.
EDIT: All this I talked about. Would still be there. Waiting for you.
I say they did something right for people who got a life outside FFXIV/MMO.
Even my sub are down atm, I always looking forward to 7.2
One of my biggest gripes is how the devs don't seem to (want to?) tap into evergreen content. With minimum effort, they could introduce new incentives without having to introduce new content. Some examples:
- Remove extremes from mentor roulette, and remove the mount achievement for all I care. I want to spam it to help newcomers with their queue times, especially the many quiet ones. But because I don't like extremes, that roulette is permanently locked to me. They could even add a second version of that roulette without the extremes, but let me help the quiet newcomers that are stuck in queue!
- Introduce New Job+. I want to be able to level all jobs again _on my existing characters._ Creating an alt is far too much of a commitment, so that's not an argument. Add the option to choose your starting level - for example: level 50 for Viper - and players will have infinite replayability. The tech exists to introduce a scaling weapon so they don't have to add new weapons for lower levels. Players themselves can source gear if need be. For those who don't like leveling: your queue times will be quicker and there will be economic opportunities that rise from this. There's no downside to you
- Introduce a Glamour Catalogue. If I want a new glamour, I want to coordinate the pieces first, then target them. The game forces it the other way round, which is just impossible and infuriating.
- Allow players to store their current housing decoration in a template, then clear out their entire residence so that they can redecorate, then save that second decoration placement in a another template and allow people to swap between them. This will be great for seasonal changes, should help venues and will generally make housing more interactive again. For all the pain one has to go through to get a residence, it's a decorate once, forget forever after because of how much of a pain the inventory management is. Apply this to apartments and private rooms as well. Some 5-10 template slots would be great, but a minimum of 4-5 would allow seasonal options as well as personal variations.
That's just a handful of things that will never lose relevance and should require minimal effort, provided the game's engine isn't too cooked to handle it. The game doesn't waste my time, but also _doesn't allow me to waste it._ I think that there's an important distinction there.
Be me: sight seeing, reading lore in game
finally a breath of fresh air with your take... honestly its so toxic with how content creators go on about the game. If you dont want/have anything to do then just simply stop playing. People have this strange attraction to the game that once something isnt as great as before or they run out of things to do they grow bitter and hate it, it goes beyond just disliking a game and moving on. they genuinely seethe about it. Sadly thats what most the community has become now a days. Just bitter angry people.
damn i have never heard someone mention ARK outside of the ARK community lol
I use the time to play other games - However, this doesn't make me like FF14 less. It does highlight things I think the game should improve upon, but in terms of the whole package, it is rare that any one game itself does enough things right to be worth dropping FF14 completely.
Indeed, the most important thing someone can do with their gaming hobby is play more games - And if that means they stop playing FF14 because they found a game they jive with better, isn't that a good thing?
Life is too short and the planet's getting too hot to spend your life playing a game you don't enjoy.
All things end. And that's okay. One day FF14 will end too, or someone's time with it. What matters is if the time you spent on FF14, or anything else, is something you enjoyed, even if it lead you to playing something else you liked better.
I'm glad there's nothing to do rn too cause I got suspended for using cuss words when I told a bard band they were fuckin amazing, let's gooo 😂
I have over 5,000 hours of game play, I've been playing since 1.0.
I'm still loving picking at things. I'll never do savage raids on content let alone anything harder then that. I would like to but the players I run into that do that, are not all that welcoming so I don't bother. I know a lot of folks want a new Bozja or Euerka but those are my least fav content. Ironicly because it feels so solo, even though it is built for mass players it quickly becomes a how fast the meta is found and everyone soullessly follows the meta. The game cannot please everyone and we need to admit that. I'm still mad about the game not giving two races the same love an attention the others get. Hair and hats being at best drip fed to Hroth and Viera is not fair. They just added another outfit to the mog station where the hat doesn't work, and the new customer delivery reward is a glam outfit where again the hat doesn't work. And she's a hroth so a lot of players are going to turn around and try and give her that outfit and learn no hat. Doesn't matter that I dislike both these new outfits that's still bad. However the actual game play has never been better for me. Why I ended up liking Dawntrail so much I had fun. I want to say 7.0 was a better time then 5.0 for me. Some doom says say all the jobs feel the same, but the small differences are huge for me. Though it could easily get worse so we need to be careful. But all I see online is other doom posts, of "14 bleeding players, this story sucked so whole game is bad, or I hate character X or their actor". Not saying I want this game to be untouchable I got problems with the story, but its the same problem I've always had. We keep forgiving bad guys to easily. Zenos is not your friend and anyone that really wants to forgive him, makes me nervous. However I do agree to the folks that hate logging on just to refresh their house and feel they are wasting money during their breaks for that. No idea how to fix that problem.
No, it's not okay... because maybe, I don't know, maybe you started playing recently and it seems like that to you, but it hasn't always been like this. I understand that they are working on multiple projects simultaneously now or simply can't keep up the pace, but the updates have become longer and smaller. They take a patch, break it up, and release it in parts: this part after 2 weeks, another part after a month, another part after 2 months. When they used to release the whole patch together (at most, it was just a few fights after). And the monthly patches that came out (remember, we pay a monthly subscription, so every month they should add something, like all subscription games do) were actually new things and not just the same patch divided up...
I want to come back to this so bad, but they made my favorite jobs solo-only.
What?
@@elgatochurro Beastmaster and Blue Mage are both limited jobs.
Me who has not done ultimates and savage I have things to do. 😂
Chaotic ist new tho
My only gripe in the game across every expansion is that I think Island Sanctuary was a total failure to me and the complete opposite of what I wanted, other then that, I couldn't be happier.
//huffs copium//
...want some?
tbh i feel scammed we pay for expansion and there's nothing not same as shb and stb
Meanwhile, I'm a fairly new player stomping around in Gridania trying to not look like a headless chocobo. I've played other MMO's before, but nothing seems as huge or overwhelming as FF14.
Take your time! Nothing is going anywhere and you don't want to end up regretting rushing through everything
@Bubbins Thank you for replying. Wise advice! I'm someone who prefers playing support, so I want to be a great white mage and help others out. Just socks I can't convince my real-life friends to play. FF14 seems to have a reputation in the mainstream for being a "furry game" and that seems to push normies like my friends away. It's a shame some people think that since the game is so well made.
I remember it feeling overwhelming at first, the sheer amount of content, but the important thing to realize is that you aren't *required* to do any of it. You only have to engage with the content you want to engage with at any given time. It's there *as a feature* not *as a requirement* so just have fun! It will still be there later if you change your mind and become interested in something else later :)
WOW is 100% worse for new players
I see where you're coming from, especially since I'm a casual completionist that wants to get most or all of the achievements over time.
But the problem with the content lulls is that many players end up leaving, and the game just feels a lot more lonelier.
Yes you could go back and catch up on old content, which is something I do here and there, but many people don't exactly find the thought of going to Eureka and syncing down to Lvl. 70 and dealing with the empty instances very exciting.
Nowadays, I only play with friends on weekends for mount farms and maps, but you can only do those so much. Players will always be more interested in doing stuff together if it's new content.
I remember randomly hopping on weekdays with friends to work on the Yokai Event back when it was brought back, or simply having FC members to talk with throughout the day, back when the content lulls wasn't as bad.
I'm sure some will tell me to get new friends, but my current ones really are great, and this is clearly a bigger and not personal issue if there's such an uproar over it.
The problem with content lulls isn't necessarily that there's nothing to do, but rather that there's nothing really exciting going on, and it's creating this domino effect of many players going inactive, and the active ones feel less motivated to play because of that.
But I do understand where you're coming from, and I do think it was worth mentioning, since people haven't really been approaching it from that angle.
It's a great game. Sometimes I lose sight of that, but it is.
The release schedule this expansion sucks. Catering to raiders since release was a mistake, its why sub count is dropping. They had the goal of making the Chaotic raid as a way to get more people interested in raiding, but then raid designer said oops got carried away and made it more savage like. If you want to satisfy both sides patch .xx should alternate between them, instead they have catered to the small percent that actually does hardcore content and left everyone else starved until 7.2, its a very dumb decision.
The downtime between patches feels bad when we're promosed more content and it doesn't materialize.
Especially when we're paying a monthly fee on top of the price of admission for the expansion. This isn't a small indie company that needs to budget between hardcore raiders, in between content and easy content. We should be able to have it all. I'm one of those people who have done a big chunk of content so i have a good base reference of how much content we used to get in ARR and Stormblood. These days content updates are a trickle and takes 25% longer to see it.
i'm doing some old quests I forgot lately
I appreciate the breaks between content. It's given me time to work on leveling all my jobs, work on alts, as well as just catching up on content I otherwise never would have gotten to. I feel like FFXIV just has so much variety that it's hard to really be bored with the game, if anything, I hit an issue of decision paralysis.
Honestly, I am glad that there isn't much new stuff.
I've played this game non-stop since April, starting with Free Trial and eventually finished the DT Base MSQ.
When new stuff came out, I didn't bother and just focused on alt levelling and filling out other stuff in the NG Plus catalogue.
Until I finally decided to take a break from it shortly after New Year's and play other games instead.
I didn't even do the endgame Raids that came with the base release.
Since I don't do these things without tomestone gear and the current tomestone grind just isn't worth the lost time.
I rather wait until the next XPac is released and the current endgame gear can be bought with Poetics instead.
Right now, I am enjoying another playthrough of Cyberpunk 2077 and finished my playthrough of #BLUD a few days ago, as well as a playthrough of Turok 3 Steam.
I will come back to FF14, but again, I wait until the next XPac, while in the meantime, I can finally enjoy other games, after playing FF14 constantly, almost every day for over half a year. ^^;
Idk I just look at the Challenge Log and Achievements tab and see all the content I can get through while handling life on the side. Im not touching DT considering its lack luster opinions and its only been a few months so naturally there is nothing in there. But anyway, are excited for MONSTER HUNTER WILDS!?!? Hell yeah! FFXIV can rot for all I care, its over.
I want to do ultimates, but with npcs....
It hasn't been since the launch of Dawntrail, it's been since the release of 6.1 almost 3 YEARS ago. They've released an overwhelming amount of content that's either super casual one and done or super hardcore. There's almost no long term midcore multiplayer content. This space was traditionally filled by the relic weapon grind, but they had the "genius" idea to make that generic tomestone farming for EVERY step.
For anyone that doesn't understand the issue, allowing people to do anything to get the relics means they'll either keep doing what they're doing (casual) or do the most efficient thing, hunt trains. This means players not only don't have new content to engage with like Eureka or Bozja but also that they wont be cycled back into previous content to breathe new life into it like HW relics and the Bozja side quests. EW was the perfect opportunity to make older content like ShB FATE farming a part of the relic process much like they have for the HW and StB FATEs, except for ShB you'd have the massive benefit of helping new and old players finish their shared FATEs way easier.
On top of that the secondary effect of this is raring it's head, which is that in the early patches of a new expansion people would usually go back to the previous midcore activities and get the other rewards or relics and probably do it with their friends. But EW has none of this content and you can't rely on similar content from StB or ShB because many people did all of that during the lockdown. They focused so much on making the game single player friendly that they took the MMO out of the MMORPG.
I don't think you people know how to use this word "midcore" you've all rally behind for the last 2+ years. But it seems to be the go to for any complaint so you can't fall into the casual cliché but can still complain about stuff. I can't wait for this meta to be over its been very boring.
@ Don’t be obtuse, I’ve completed all of the relic farms in the game, I know exactly what kind of content appeals to players that fall between casual and hardcore and EW didn’t have anything like it.
@@SuperEffector I'm not you can literally ask 100 youtube commenters who parrot midcore and none of them can agree what it means. And it seems to just be that way so people can lump whatever they want into complaints.
But you yes you the current youtube commenter you know what the game needs. lol ok sure thing.
@@XT91 I know a lot of people have different opinions on what it means, however despite that there is a consensus on the fact whatever midcore is, there isn't a lot of it right now.
Also I have in fact thought a long time about what midcore is without resorting to subjective metrics like skill or time invested.
Objectively it's the scale of preparation and coordination. Don't need either? Casual content. Need one of them? Midcore. Need both? Hardcore. It's that simple, and any player of any skill can understand it.
For example Eureka and Bozja need preparation from the player, but you don't at all need to coordinate with anyone unless you're doing BA or DRS. Dungeons? You can run those completely blind with no issue. Savage? You need to know what you and other players are doing. No matter your skill level these things are true for the overwhelming majority.
im happy ffxiv is like it is, ppl who no-life ffxiv should move to gacha games tbh
Loosing your house and not being forced to sub can't work togheter. There is a lot of content to do old and newer what is super boring what old beast tribes, they are so bad and boring to do, 50000 super boring fates to get the new mount. Its not a f2p or b2p game its a sub game where people pay every month so they would want to play it. Problem with ff 14 is that they wait with adding few new things every few month with big patch, instead of doing more often smaller patches what will give something new to do.
After 5k hours I am finally going on the journey to lvl up my crafters. It's my new years resolution. Finished the tier so I can focus on some more chill content. I'm on the second zone of Eureka and maybe next year I'll do that. I also have a few nintendo games I wanna finish.
Dawntrail has added so very little. This expansion has failed. Saying old expansions added good stuff doesn't help the shit state this expansion is in.
I think something many people who complain about "content droughts" never mentions, it's not possible for any developer to make content faster than the players can complete it. They could have 10k people working on the game, it still would be slower than us.
Personally I'm content with the 2-3 weeks of full blast then back to a very mellow get everything important done in like 2 4 hour sessions a week. Something IRL comes up? FFXIV isn't on my mind. A new game comes out? FFXIV can be solved in a day or 2, or minimal time a few days a week. Got a little bit of extra time and feel like playing FFXIV? Plenty of side objectives to work towards.
Was nice to see the other side of the argument again, so rare to get the calm side of "it's okay".
It’s not even about the amount of content , but the longevity of it . The problem is they make content with no replayability
@@christopherbailey3547there's a measure of truth about what you said for sure but, when it comes to DT, I don't think that's the issue (I mean, if you really wanna get CoD goodies it's a huge farm). What I feel, is that they dropped a lot of hard content in a row and left the more casual part of the community with very little new stuff...there will be stuff, mind you, exploration zone, the new gathering/crafting content, best master, artifact weapons...but they should have dropped one of those already because there are a lot of players just waiting for casual content...
I think the break is nice. 🙂 It gives plenty of time to pace yourself for the content, and not have to rush it to keep current. No kicking yourself indefinitely because you didn't log in in time for xyz event and it's perma gone now.
Exactly! I hate FOMO so much
I want you to understand the irony of you saying that it's good that the game lacks content because you dont feel the need to stay, but right after you explain how much content you still have you can do.
Yes us that have played it for a long time have nothing to do to, that is the point
Nobody is saying that the game lacks content overall, but it lacks content if you're caught up, which you haven't.
FFXIV is lacking compared to most MMOs when it comes to content. Even gw2 is able to keep you more busy.
Content on its own doesn't mean it all of a sudden turns into a job. Gw2 is proof of this. Ask anyone if they feel a must to stuck around in gw2. Yet it has a ton of things to do.
SE has no excuse to not add more considering they got an insanely big increase in revenue in the past 4 years. They are just greedy and lazy.
As someone who likes to play a bunch of games, rather than stick to just one, I agree entirely. I realise that as a (relative) sprout (about 200h in but I'm only in HW post-patch quests) I'm not necessarily representative of the wider community but as someone who _is_ eager to get to all of XIV's content eventually, knowing that it's not stacking up infinitely keeps me actually coming back to the game, rather than giving up. (Especially if the content that _is_ coming out remains high quality? Less stuff that's more fun to actually play, given my limited free time? Please!)
e.g. being able to sink most of the last month into Path of Exile 2 without stressing about the catchup has been great, and now I'm back to plowing through the MSQ, all without worrying about a. how much content is there, but more importantly, b. whether it'll even still be there by the time I GET to lv100!
i'm also done with all the "new" stuff. But the long list of "prior" content is what i work on in down times like now. i love that theres no pressure to complete the old things. I love the way old content is still relevant and enhances the story. Or the down time gives people the time to play other games or do other things. In "other" games you are timegated. if you miss days sometimes you never catch back up.
It's nice to see some more level headed commentary 👍
While I agree that it's ultimately not that bad for the majority of players, I do personally wish there was a relic grind to start on, or even just an exploration zone earlier.
Meanwhile I've been playing the hardest content in the game since launch, it's called, try to get noticed and be liked as a male hyur and refuse to change to a viera for attention. It's the hardest content in the game because with my experience, people don't even know you exist if you're a male hyur. People only like viera mostly, then all the others secondly.
Join the challenge everyone, stop playing viera like a trend follower and be original, play the race people only notice when it's and npc. So far I'm the only one on on the leaderboard and I've been getting world first every expansion and patch.
Moral of the story, show male hyurs some love too. Stop ignoring them because "we don't wanna see a basic ass human in a fantasy game, use a fantasia or get out of my datacenter"
i played viera coz my nickname at home literally means 'rabbit', not because i think they're THAT cool. I hate the fact that SE made male viera looks like those kpop idols and how EVERY one in this game tried their best to feminize or femboy-nize this race. When male viera announced, I was hoping we would get some sort of warrior/hunter looking type but obviously not. Whenever i went to eorzeagallery to search for glam ideas, 95% of male viera on there were femboy or feminized.
@pastaboy1338 yup that's another overly done trope with male viera. People lack originality now. Not just im ffxiv, but in everything. Everyone just follows a trend instead of making them like a cool person.
As someone with a full time job I haven't even finished all the achievements there's always something for me to do in this game.ty for the upload
I couldn't agree more! I appreciate not feeling smothered to play a game.
I think people have gotten so used to games demanding 100% of their time that when a game allows them to have a life outside of it they dont know what to do with the extra time. There are so many things to do in this game, people who have played it for years and still have stuff left to do. Ofc, it depends on what you want from the game, but as you said, there are other games out there you can play if you dont want to wait. People are acting as if they are forced to play ffxiv when it is very clear that it is not the goal of SE.
I do have my gripes with the current system of many things, like they constantly introducing new glam items but we still dont get a glam plate per job, and that is not even counting DoH/L, but majority of people arent asking for improvements, they are asking for the game to occupy 100% of their time while only wanting to do high end content. Imho, over new content, I would rather have improvements in how the current available content works. The portrait new feature was huge, instacast esuna? gimme 30 of those, the new housing update to come that will allow you to get an M size house and change the interior to be like an L, we need more of that.
Tbh I'm actually kinda glad there's not much new content to do yet because Rivals takes up a lot of time plus I've made it a goal to 100% a few games this year. If anyone is looking for game recommendations, I'd highly recommend the Yakuza/Judgment series, RDR/RDR2 and the Ace Attorney games! I do wish we'd get some relic to work towards but it's early into the expansion - it'll come soonish. Always enjoying your videos, Bubbins!
Playing through Yakuza 4 myself right now 🙌
I think the game is good the story was awful though, hopefully we lose this last group of complainers we gained from the wow exodus. I mean just go play wow I hear its a great game you all talk about it all the time but you won't go play it. There's a lot of stuff I'd like to see change that aren't just these soft platitudes youtubers have been parroting ad nauseum for last few weeks but I've haven't ran across any video talking about them.
nice to see someone who actually shares my same opinion for once. the discourse, as usual, is getting super toxic over very little lol. this game was a breath of fresh air after i left destiny and ESO, some of yall dont realize how much *non hardcore* content there is in this game. its not as geared towards it as people think, i feel like.
Great perspective here, thanks Bubbins
You are so right! I do appreciate the break.
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I love seeing videos like this! I personally adore content lulls because they give me the opportunity to try other games. If not for that, I'd probably find it really difficult to step away from XIV. I have been playing for about 5 years now and I still havent even unlocked every job! I just play when I want to and dont when I dont. The community can be really exhausting with the negativity and criticism, so it's great to see a more down to earth perspective c:
Yeah! I've only been around since Endwalker so I haven't been through as many cycles but I never feel like I can't take a break
"I love seeing videos like this! I personally adore content lulls because they give me the opportunity to try other games. If not for that, I'd probably find it really difficult to step away from XIV."
" I just play when I want to and dont when I dont. "
Imagine needing the game to tell you to stop playing.
@@MrCarlWax " The community can be really exhausting with the negativity and criticism" - Imagine living up to that statement!
@@Aitherea It's exhausting having valid criticism over the direction of a game you love being dishonestly phrased as just "negativity and exhausting" and people coming into the conversation with silly comments like: "I like that the game lacks content because I lack self-control." Just to shut down the conversation. More content wouldn't harm you, but it would benefit people who want it. Unless you admit that you have 0 self-control?
I mean what would you do if they removed all the "moisture" from your Au'Ra? You'd probably get quite upset, making a few videos about it. :)
See now I feel insane having 26,000 hours 😅
Kinda glad it's been chill can play other things
For those of us who enjoyed the game for friends and connections it's terrible. Our friends leave, then we come back at different times, and no friends, and now it's just a multiplayer game not an 'MMO'. Things are worse than they used to be. The stuff left in the game, is press X brain dead junk. Where is the battle content. Doesn't matter now even if there is. LOTS of people have left. Like 'everyone' I knew who wasn't ultimate. I only know one person who did savage who doesn't do ultimate.
I think having thousands of hours in a game, and then saying there is nothing to do, just shows the one with the problem is you. If a game gave me a 1000 hours, it already succeeded in satisfying me. No game is meant to entertain forever. I’m a super new player that has like 10 hours in only, and I can tell it will be worth investing my money and time in this for the next 2 years.
The lack of content issue people use is a joke, there is so much to do in this game, so much old content and achievements already take months. My issue is the story is rubbish these days. SB was average, ShB was really good, since then its been average at best
The funniest thing is that if we are really going for details then Dawntrail currently has more and much higher quality Content than in Endwalker when it was on the same patch state.
Personally i enjoy DT currently so much more then Endwalker during the same x.1 state, especially because of the quality of the Content, i would call myself a semi harcore raider doing just the Savage and Ex stuff and dipping sometimes in Ultis. But even then Endwalker really did not satisfied me outside of "raidlogging" wich is why my biggest break i had in EW during the same timeframe we are now in DT.
DT i consider rn as one of the better expansions for now, while the content is for now not that many, the quality is high and its fun to do my dailys and weeklys. And while i definitly belong to the more "elistist" Group that has done most of the content already. I still cannot really complain besides the Job system wich is currently the worst since ever. But thats for another time.
I play since Heavensward so i have seen this Game shift and change much more than some other players, and currently... we are back to a better state from a Game perspective.
However i definitly can understand frustration if "raiding" is something a player dont want to do, and by that lock themselves out of content. But in my experience, that was allways in every expansion the case. Endwalker and Heavensward was there not so different. And the last one was infamous for being the worst Raid expansions for well known reasons.
Everyone forgets the core point that the game is EXPECTING you to take breaks and the sort.
for me its the quality of content, in DW its soo bad, the only funn thing is the EX and thats it
The content quality in DT is the best we have since STB,c what are you talking about? Don't confuse the MSQ with the rest of the game! The dungeons are better, the Alliance Raid is great, the Ex trial are good, the 8 man raid is great, we got the Chaotic Alliance. I have no idea what you're talking about...what content has worse quality in DT? Apart from MSQ, that is
@@sophiastorm8616 i agree about chaotic raid its very fun, but the 8 man savage is worse than pervious expansion and the current ultimate is by far the worst ultimate imo, the alliance raid is still worse than both shb and sb, even jobs are not that fun to play even the new jobs, and we don't wanna talk about how bad the msq lol
@ savage is betther than EW although not so well tunned, aliance raid is a lot bet then EW , and imo, by a mile. the ultimate is not the best but it's far from being bad. the dungeons are also the best ones in ages. i wont talk about jobs because i dont agree with the mob's opinion. there are jobs with issues like DRK and picto must be tunned but is fun to play and so is viper. the MSQ wasnt good but that's 1 aspect of the game and it's far from being over. ARR wasnt good either.
@@therelax4166 then please go back to wow
@Zenithx622
Bruh, ffxiv is my first and only mmo
Im not a cheap person who says: "it's at least better than xx expansion.".
Thank you! There are sooooo many other games that I want to play so I’m quite happy with there not being to much casual content added at this time and I’m glad that other people are feeling the same.
Well said sir! 👏🏽