I may be showing my age, (I'm 63,) but this is nothing less than remarkable! Probably the biggest advance in our hobby since injection molding. What came to mind was an incident from my childhood when I was about nine. I was in the toy section of our local Target store (circa. 1969) looking for a model to build. (If memory serves, I had just under $1.75 to work with!) Back then, most discount stores devoted two (or more) whole aisles to models, both plastic and wooden, kits. I remember a man who was in his 60's looking there, too. He commented to me that when he was nine, if he wanted to build a model plane, he had to get plans, make templates, and carve it from solid wood. He made it VERY clear that he was only looking at the plastic kits as a source of "detail parts," like props, wheels, and canopies, for his projects. Flash forward some fifty years, and I found myself at a hobby shop where they were demonstrating a 3D Printer. A couple of kids about ten were among those watching, and I couldn't resist saying that when I was their age, if you wanted to build a model, you had to buy a plastic kit. I then added - unironically, I might add - that I was 'only' looking at the 3D Printer as a possible source of "detail parts" . . . . I said a silent prayer for that old modeler as I left.
@@FlyingSModels I agree. That TSR.2 you're making in 1/32nd scale will be an impressive model when it is done, and looks just as impressive in its developmental stages! (I remember an old joke from the 1980's that, "A scratch built or vacuform model under construction showcases the skills of a modeler. But the finished project looks like any old model.) To think that model building hadn't changed much since the Ancient Egyptians, and then in the course of our lifetimes went from wooden solids to 3D Printing is mind-boggling. And yet, the older techniques are still very much alive and well! I wish you the best on your TSR.2, your YF-23, and whatever else you decide to make. That old modeler I met as a young boy must be looking down and smiling from ear-to-ear . . . .
When it comes to 3D printing age is just a number , e.g. My dad is 83 now and he frequently requests different plastic models and toys from me that I 3D print for him regularly on my 3D printer !
Geez, Chad. Rectangle, solid, liquid, gas, Boolean algebra, air, fire, water…What has two thumbs and didn’t understand a word of it? This guy! That’s why I’m glad there are people like you that understand the CAD programs and how to operate a 3D printer, and then I can just buy what I need. Glad you’re back. It’s been a minute.
Hi, Chad. Happy Nee Year, and hope you’re doing well. I hope you see this message, but if not, I’ll comment next time you post. I’ve found one of your grail kits, the Monogram P-39 Air Cobra. If you want it, let me know, and I’ll send it to you.
Thank you very much. Appreciate those good words. Lots going on in the work life so haven't had much time for building or videos. Hopefully will slow down soon.
My friend THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for posting this video! For a few years I have been looking for videos that strictly build aircraft models that can be 3-D printed and not fantasy figures and it looks like I might have found what I’m looking for. Long story short, I am sick and tired of suggesting all kinds of kits for future releases to model companies all over the world only to end up never hearing anything back so it’s time I start building print my own aircraft. I just happen to come across this video and I’m so glad I did. I have subscribed and thank you very much again.
I appreciate that feedback. If you get into it and need any more info or have additional questions, feel free to ping me through my website contact link or through Facebook. All kinds of possibilities for new projects. Like you said, take matters in your own hands and make your own "most wanted" kits.
@@FlyingSModels Thank you yery much, I appreciate that! It might be a few months down the road before the I pull the trigger on a 3-D printer but I definitely want to get one. One more quick question: the software you was using that’s what came with the printer? I apologize if that’s been asked already. I work in aviation and it looked very similar to some of the software programs we use and was just curious.
MOI is great, wish I had found this tutorial earlier. MOI is so much easier to use than all the other 3D software packages I've purchased and used, as you stated. The price is right as well, even if you give up on doing 3D work it will not be so painful to the bank account.
Couldn't agree more. While it may not be as "fancy" as some of the other packages out there in terms of rendering and such, it has all the fundamental design capabilities that I need and as you say, in a package that is far easier to learn and use.
Great video!! Simple and concise. You showed MOI 3D is easy to use. This video will help others just starting out and or are on the look for similar projects. I think this will be a great primer for people to use to help them see what is going on and how easy it is to create stuff they are dreaming about. Any future videos will be "icing on the cake." I hope that in future videos you will show the printing process, and how to get smooth surfaces. I want to avoid voxel lines and print lines on smooth surfaces like wings and fuselages (with modeled in panels and rivets of course). This is what is holding me back from buying a resin printer. I have seen all the figurine printing videos ( they are very close to being perfect for no lines) but there no videos about aircraft, ships, or cars. I welcome all the help and or knowledge you can share. I have a 1/32 DH 88 3D model almost completed in SolidWorks to be printed, as well as a dozens of other projects I modeled over the years. Again great video!!!! Cheers, Todd
Thanks, Todd. I'll try to show more of what you mentioned in future videos. For me, I'm not all that concerned about the very minor surface finish issues as I still have to piece sections together and fill and sand seams so sanding the surface smooth is just part of the process. I just consider the printer as somewhere between vac form and high end injection molding and take it for is pros and cons. The DH88 sounds great!!
Just made a Stuka in Moi, and it‘s reminding me of my modelling times in the 80s and 90s. Main difference : You just start the software and get modelling, no glue, no airbrush and forgiveable mistakes…
For sure. And you can model anything you want and rework it until your heart is content. Feel free to share some Stuka pics over on my facebook page or through email if you like.
Thank you! Strangely, there's precious little on how to turn a 3D model built for looks/renders into kit parts with registration marks, structural bracing and the like.
@@FlyingSModels Excited, I try to do crazy solidworks stuff and lofts, but modelling at the mesh level is probably better for many things. Combining the two for parametric iterative parts of some things, artistic forms for the other with complex structures, thats the ideal thing .
Great Video, I am a Maya user and the workflow is very similar. I have just finished modelling an 1/72nd MB5 kit and just testing the model with resin prints. Thank you for the inspiration (it was the Sea Fire Nose and prop video that started me on creating my own kit)
That's excellent. I've done a 1/32 MB.5 but need to do some refinements to the design after my test prints. Lots to learn still on the best way to design for assembly based on lessons learned from printing. I'm glad you are on the road of designing your own kits. Would love to see some pics if you want to share over on facebook or through my email contact. Appreciate the feedback. Keep up the great work!
Yo Chad, Almost a year since your last video :-D I was personally hoping that you’d maybe be able to create a "Part 2“ to this video…I’d really be interested in seeing how you go about tackling the rear fuselage of the F-23. Hope to see you back soon with some more MoI3D goodness!
Was looking for new MoI 3D videos, found this. Pretty interesting and inspirational! I love when different hobbies/passions (e.g. 3D and modelism) cross in a such way. Personally I'm more into mecha (like Macross) or even fantasy miniatures, but still - wow!
That's a great tutorial. I tried getting my head around Fusion360 but I just couldn't do it. I really don't need such advanced CAD functionality, whereas MoI is exactly what makes sense to me. Draw the lines on the plans and go from there. Definitely interested in seeing how that 1/32 TSR.2 turns out. It's my favourite jet aircraft!
Appreciate you taking the time to provide some feedback. My experiences were the same. Certainly nothing against those other software packages but I didn't want a 2 year learning curve, especially for what I was wanting to accomplish. The TSR.2 is an impressive aircraft indeed. I just need to keep pressing forward with the design. Cheers!
The workflow in fusion is more or less identical. Obviously the buttons and functions have different names. But this software seems nice too. Whatever works for you!
@@FlyingSModels I bet it won’t be hard for you to transition. You’re already doing exactly the same things. I wonder if there is really any advantage to fusion for you at this point.
Would be a really long video and probably show many of the same techniques repeated many times. I'll consider it for the future. Appreciate the thought/recommendation.
@@FlyingSModelsThanks for your answer. You could make a serie/playlist of videos. One video per month would be great. Of course it will take time but for us that want to model our own modelsthis would be like gold. Thanks. btw... love your work!!!
Thanks! I haven't tried Plasticity but it's likely some of the same features are there. Might be called something different but probably similar. Let me know if you try it and it works as well or better. Cheers!
Very interesting, hard to imagine " making" your own entire model. Is the 3D resin material similar to a standard model kit? I ask because of glue and paint compatibility of materials to build standard kits. What do you think, based on current printers is the largest scale you could print. .Thanks for sharing, with kit prices going up you could get your return on investment back in a reasonable time.
Resin and model kit plastic (polystyrene) are not the same, as for glue and paint compatability, glue will not work. Because the glue is meant to melt the polystyrene and weld it together, it will not work well with the resin, however something like super glue or epoxy. Paint will adhere well once a primer is on the resin, you can buy resin primer that works well, although it might paint on fine I haven't tried yet. When it comes to print size, it really depends on how big a printer you buy. For cheaper printers they have smaller print volumes (14x9cm). Big printers do exist just at a higher cost. I am not sure about the ROI, maybe if you do alot of printing but resin is not super cheap and a printer will set you back a few hundred bucks. Really depends on how much you use it.
I've got some pics up on my 1/32 Martin Baker MB.5 which is just about a complete printed model (minus the canopy that I still need to vac form). Printed material is resin so it takes super glue like any other resin kit. They make some pretty big printers but my little Phrozen Sonic Mini cost about $120 and it prints sections up to almost 6" tall. I just print the model parts in sections to accommodate. Hope this helps.
@@FlyingSModels thanks I'll check them out. $120 ? That is amazing, some basic kits barely start at that price, was guessing around $500.00 minimum. Very glad I watched the video.
You would also need a wash and cure which would be another $100 or so but the entry costs are really not that bad. Of course, you could spend more and get larger, higher end stuff, just like anything. Let me know if you have any other questions/comments.
How do you handle smoothing out the texture inherent to 3D printing? Acetone vapor baths seem like the obvious solution, but I'm less certain about its effects on small details on scale models... if those details can be printed at all!
As has been stated, I high rez printer will do wonders for you. They are not like the old filament printers that need the acetone bath to smooth surfaces and then negatively impact surface details/small details.
hi glad to have found you i will be lucky to get a reply however. please can you help me with the reference drawings i agree that your method is super. i however do not have MOI 3D but rather Freecad Freecard has all the tools including "Faces" or Network as described in MOI 3D Your method which i do appreciate however requires more than just top , front and side view. it requires the graph for volume perspective . You were very brief explaining the graph and how to align it with the side image reference for your demonstration i hope to understand this before jumping in both feet i wish to draw the SR 71 and B2 spirit bomber I have found an image reference with the graph for the SR7 however how do i use the graph sincerely do appreciate your time ejike I
Thank you for your feedback and questions. I hope I can answer them effectively here but if not, feel free to reach out via the website contact so we can email and possible share images that might help more. Drawing these models does take more than a simple 3 view. Most 5 view drawings with cross sectional profiles also include a datum to align the cross sections with the side and top views. I put the datum on the x or y axis when I trace the drawings and locate those cross sections as you can see in the video. Keep in mind that no drawing (at least that I have found) are completely accurate and you will always need to bounce against real photos or dimensions taken from the actual aircraft (depending on how accurate you intent to be). Fortunately, the SR71 is well documented so you should be in good shape there. Let me know if you have any additional questions. Thank you again.
Yep, it's MOI 3D and I should have posted a link the description. I'll go do that now. It's a nice software package that doesn't require a powerful PC.
Man, you make this look so easy. I’ve been working with Rhino for the last 12 years but this makes me wonder if I shouldn’t change to this program. I can easily follow your approach but would have big problems with getting Rhino to do all this stuf. So is it MOI indeed or do you have a much deeper general insight in modeling strategies then I have?
MOI is a lot easier. I tried using other software prior to MOI and couldn't seem to draw even a basic shape. I have found MOI to be really easy to learn and use. It might be limited compared to the likes of Fusion and such but I appreciated the shallow learning curve. Let me know if you make the swap and have any questions. I'll do what I can to help. Appreciate the feedback.
@@FlyingSModels Thanks for the reaction. I find Rhino to be very handy to get my conceptual thoughts together. It’s not so solid oriented as the engineering softwares I “grew up with”. A simple example: if I want to draw a car I can easily place the positions of the wheels in space. But when you want to refine the basic 3D designs I find it to be less intuitive. I must however confess that I still only work with Rhino 4 because that is the version I bought a license for at the time. I’ll surely have closer look at MOI and let you know.
Naturally, it depends on scale but I find a 0.3mm width and 0.7mm height works pretty well for 1/32 given the sanding and priming that I have to do to join sections and get a really smooth surface finish.
@@leonardbenzies6374 Just go to "View" then "Image" the "Add" and select that plan you want to import. Then just drag it in using your mouse to determine the size you want at the scale you need. Hope this helps.
Most often I get them from online sources but I also have a decent collection of reference books that have many detailed drawings with cross sections. Let me know if you are looking for anything specific that you aren't finding online and I can try to help.
Thanks so much for the video. I’ve been considering doing 3d modeling for the exact reason you are (to create 3d models for printing for scale modeling). I did some research and see that MOI3D is ‘a lot’ less expensive then some of the other CAD software packages out there. Based on your videos it looks like you’ve been using the software for more than a few years. Have you had to reach to the publisher for support? If yes, how are they in terms of helping with issues? Lastly, is there a large MOI3D community out there that you participate in?
I have both a Phrozen Sonic Mini and a Phrozen 8K Mini. I haven't had any issues with the software and have never needed publisher support. There's a pretty good resource group online that I have used from time to time. With the free trial, it doesn't hurt to give it a try. Let me know if you have any issues or questions. Happy to try to help.
The design is actually a 1/32 F-23B proposal, not an "A" model. But if you are interested, I can hopefully help a little. Message me through the facebook page or through my website for easier comms. Thanks!
@@FlyingSModels oh i see youre not using the cheap basic ones hehe... very nice tutorials, i learned a lot from you. Perhaps 3d printers are the future of scale models, for some countries its a good solution, and maybe a business opportunity
Unfortunately, I don't have a complete tutorial as that would be a very long video. I was just trying to share some of the foundational techniques that can be used over and over again to create these models. I'm not sure I understand your question on moving the top to the bottom. Perhaps you can elaborate a little. Thanks!
I notice that your model has a .3dm extension, does this mean that this software plays well with Rhinoceros? I would love to see an extended tutorial of how you modelled this fuselage section, and where you get your reference drawings from. I'm more used to Rhino as a modelling tool but I've never worked on something this intricate.
I have not tried Rhino so I can't speak to how well MOI plays with Rhino but I think I've heard that it does. Most of my drawings come from online or books that I have collected over the years. I'll try to do some more videos showing more in the future but most folks stop watching after just a few mins so I didn't want to go overboard with a long video and just tried to show some basics that can be applied.
The model illustrated in the thumbnail is actually an YF-23B, proposed bomber version of the YF-23A. I used the A model drawings to show the process in the videos. The drawings can be found online if you just search on YF-23 scale drawings. Hope this helps.
Pretty sure my comment got nuked for posting a link (to the flyingsmodels page) so I'm reposting. The flyingsmodels site just gives me a 404, is it down?
Thanks for the heads up. I really don't do much with the site so I need to go check that. It might be down. My page over on facebook seems to be still up.
Thanks @@FlyingSModels. I'm looking for a technical aircraft drawing that I can use as a basis for making a 3D model and later printing it. My next intention includes using this model to build an RC plane.
I'm not sure what you are asking about. Are you wanting to scale up from 1/32 to a larger size for RC? If so, just divide 32 by the scale you want (for example, 1/8 scale would be 32/8 = 4) and you would enlarge the design 4 times? If you are asking a different question, just let me know.
Excellent tutorial. I am convinced, this is the future of scale modeling. No longer hoping for someone to release a dream project. A question, though. How big is the print area on your printer? I am looking at several models, and there seems to be a big jump from "medium" to "large". That fuselage section you were holding is huge.
Appreciate the feedback. This technology is changing scale modeling for sure. The printer I used for that TSR.2 fwd fuse is actually really small (approx 6x3x6 print bed). I just printed in sections and joined those together with CA and then sanded and primed it. But they make some really big printers with large print beds.
@@FlyingSModels thank you for taking the time to reply. I appreciate it. Im looking at a medium sized printer, the Elegoo Saturn 2 8k. Seems like the next step up is all the way to about $1000 for a “large” printer. The one i am eyeing is 8.6 x 4.8 by 9+ inches. Good to know you have good results from smaller prints. Excellent content, thank you.
I may be showing my age, (I'm 63,) but this is nothing less than remarkable! Probably the biggest advance in our hobby since injection molding.
What came to mind was an incident from my childhood when I was about nine. I was in the toy section of our local Target store (circa. 1969) looking for a model to build. (If memory serves, I had just under $1.75 to work with!) Back then, most discount stores devoted two (or more) whole aisles to models, both plastic and wooden, kits. I remember a man who was in his 60's looking there, too. He commented to me that when he was nine, if he wanted to build a model plane, he had to get plans, make templates, and carve it from solid wood. He made it VERY clear that he was only looking at the plastic kits as a source of "detail parts," like props, wheels, and canopies, for his projects.
Flash forward some fifty years, and I found myself at a hobby shop where they were demonstrating a 3D Printer. A couple of kids about ten were among those watching, and I couldn't resist saying that when I was their age, if you wanted to build a model, you had to buy a plastic kit. I then added - unironically, I might add - that I was 'only' looking at the 3D Printer as a possible source of "detail parts" . . . .
I said a silent prayer for that old modeler as I left.
Love that story....gave me a good laugh. I remember those days too but glad I'm able to see the evolution and benefits it brings.
@@FlyingSModels I agree. That TSR.2 you're making in 1/32nd scale will be an impressive model when it is done, and looks just as impressive in its developmental stages! (I remember an old joke from the 1980's that, "A scratch built or vacuform model under construction showcases the skills of a modeler. But the finished project looks like any old model.)
To think that model building hadn't changed much since the Ancient Egyptians, and then in the course of our lifetimes went from wooden solids to 3D Printing is mind-boggling. And yet, the older techniques are still very much alive and well! I wish you the best on your TSR.2, your YF-23, and whatever else you decide to make. That old modeler I met as a young boy must be looking down and smiling from ear-to-ear . . . .
Not far behind you young fellow. 56 here.
When it comes to 3D printing age is just a number , e.g. My dad is 83 now and he frequently requests different plastic models and toys from me that I 3D print for him regularly on my 3D printer !
@@BHARGAV_GAJJAR Your father has a good son! I wish you both well. Happy modeling!
Geez, Chad. Rectangle, solid, liquid, gas, Boolean algebra, air, fire, water…What has two thumbs and didn’t understand a word of it? This guy! That’s why I’m glad there are people like you that understand the CAD programs and how to operate a 3D printer, and then I can just buy what I need. Glad you’re back. It’s been a minute.
That was funny. Actually it's pretty straightforward once you get the hang of it. Good to back and thank you for the warm welcome back.
Hi, Chad. Happy Nee Year, and hope you’re doing well. I hope you see this message, but if not, I’ll comment next time you post. I’ve found one of your grail kits, the Monogram P-39 Air Cobra. If you want it, let me know, and I’ll send it to you.
One of the best model aircraft channels on YT. Where are you brother?
Thank you very much. Appreciate those good words. Lots going on in the work life so haven't had much time for building or videos. Hopefully will slow down soon.
My friend THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for posting this video! For a few years I have been looking for videos that strictly build aircraft models that can be 3-D printed and not fantasy figures and it looks like I might have found what I’m looking for.
Long story short, I am sick and tired of suggesting all kinds of kits for future releases to model companies all over the world only to end up never hearing anything back so it’s time I start building print my own aircraft. I just happen to come across this video and I’m so glad I did. I have subscribed and thank you very much again.
I appreciate that feedback. If you get into it and need any more info or have additional questions, feel free to ping me through my website contact link or through Facebook. All kinds of possibilities for new projects. Like you said, take matters in your own hands and make your own "most wanted" kits.
@@FlyingSModels Thank you yery much, I appreciate that! It might be a few months down the road before the I pull the trigger on a 3-D printer but I definitely want to get one.
One more quick question: the software you was using that’s what came with the printer? I apologize if that’s been asked already. I work in aviation and it looked very similar to some of the software programs we use and was just curious.
MOI is great, wish I had found this tutorial earlier. MOI is so much easier to use than all the other 3D software packages I've purchased and used, as you stated. The price is right as well, even if you give up on doing 3D work it will not be so painful to the bank account.
Couldn't agree more. While it may not be as "fancy" as some of the other packages out there in terms of rendering and such, it has all the fundamental design capabilities that I need and as you say, in a package that is far easier to learn and use.
The most powerful software worth nothing without a creative user. Thank you!
Thank you for the kind words. I sure hope the video was helpful. Cheers!
Neat - thank you… I’m going to be follow you.
I’ve been looking for 3D printer as a retirement hobby.
Thanks for the feedback. This will be a great retirement activity for you. It’s quite addicting once you can design and print your own parts.
This is the first time I have seen 3d software. Very powerful, but so much went over my head.
Well, I hope that it was a helpful video. Seems more complicated than it actually is.
man, now I want to learn this software. Great techniques. Thanks
Dive on in. The software is free to use for 90 days, I think, and once you start, you'll likely get addicted. Have fun and thanks for the feedback!
So good to see you back. I've learned so much from you. Hope you'll post more frequently now. Please keep us updated on the progress on the TSR!
Thanks. Been a tough past year and a half but I hope to provide some more content going forward. Appreciate the feedback!
Great video!! Simple and concise. You showed MOI 3D is easy to use. This video will help others just starting out and or are on the look for similar projects. I think this will be a great primer for people to use to help them see what is going on and how easy it is to create stuff they are dreaming about. Any future videos will be "icing on the cake."
I hope that in future videos you will show the printing process, and how to get smooth surfaces. I want to avoid voxel lines and print lines on smooth surfaces like wings and fuselages (with modeled in panels and rivets of course).
This is what is holding me back from buying a resin printer. I have seen all the figurine printing videos ( they are very close to being perfect for no lines) but there no videos about aircraft, ships, or cars. I welcome all the help and or knowledge you can share.
I have a 1/32 DH 88 3D model almost completed in SolidWorks to be printed, as well as a dozens of other projects I modeled over the years.
Again great video!!!!
Cheers, Todd
Thanks, Todd. I'll try to show more of what you mentioned in future videos. For me, I'm not all that concerned about the very minor surface finish issues as I still have to piece sections together and fill and sand seams so sanding the surface smooth is just part of the process. I just consider the printer as somewhere between vac form and high end injection molding and take it for is pros and cons. The DH88 sounds great!!
Just made a Stuka in Moi, and it‘s reminding me of my modelling times in the 80s and 90s. Main difference : You just start the software and get modelling, no glue, no airbrush and forgiveable mistakes…
For sure. And you can model anything you want and rework it until your heart is content. Feel free to share some Stuka pics over on my facebook page or through email if you like.
@@FlyingSModels thx, mail underway.
Good to see you back!
Good to get back to making some videos. Now to try to get back to the build bench. Appreciate the welcome back!
I like the TSR2 choice
It’s such a cool aircraft. I need to get back on the design.
This program is a royal pain in the fifth point of contact.
Use whatever works best for you!
Glad to see you back Chad... cheers from Argentina!
Good to be back, if only for a quick video. Trying to get the time to do more. Appreciate the feedback.
Thank you!
Strangely, there's precious little on how to turn a 3D model built for looks/renders into kit parts with registration marks, structural bracing and the like.
That is true and those things are things that I should be able to highlight in even more detail in future videos. Appreciate that feedback.
@@FlyingSModels Excited, I try to do crazy solidworks stuff and lofts, but modelling at the mesh level is probably better for many things. Combining the two for parametric iterative parts of some things, artistic forms for the other with complex structures, thats the ideal thing .
@@yelectric1893 yep, agree. Different techniques for different applications.
Thank you, this was a fantastic. I didn't know where I was going to start with my endeavor. great staring point right here.
Glad it helped out a little. Appreciate you sharing some positive feedback.
@@FlyingSModels question now is, how do you find drawings with the slices?
Nice work!!
Really appreciate it.
Great Video, I am a Maya user and the workflow is very similar. I have just finished modelling an 1/72nd MB5 kit and just testing the model with resin prints. Thank you for the inspiration (it was the Sea Fire Nose and prop video that started me on creating my own kit)
That's excellent. I've done a 1/32 MB.5 but need to do some refinements to the design after my test prints. Lots to learn still on the best way to design for assembly based on lessons learned from printing. I'm glad you are on the road of designing your own kits. Would love to see some pics if you want to share over on facebook or through my email contact. Appreciate the feedback. Keep up the great work!
Fascinating! I want to do this. I need to watch some more of these videos first.
Jump in with both feet!
Yo Chad,
Almost a year since your last video :-D
I was personally hoping that you’d maybe be able to create a "Part 2“ to this video…I’d really be interested in seeing how you go about tackling the rear fuselage of the F-23.
Hope to see you back soon with some more MoI3D goodness!
Thanks for the comments. I do need to get back to the vids. Life has gotten in the way lately. You know how that goes.
Was looking for new MoI 3D videos, found this. Pretty interesting and inspirational! I love when different hobbies/passions (e.g. 3D and modelism) cross in a such way. Personally I'm more into mecha (like Macross) or even fantasy miniatures, but still - wow!
Hope it helps and is useful for the things you want to design. I'm sure modeling techniques are similar when modeling Macross or other items.
I working with this more than 10 years. Siemens NX
Glad you found a design package you like.
A 1/32 TSR 2. That is awesome!
Thanks for the feedback. The 1/32 TSR is a big one for sure.
I don’t have a 3D printer, but I just got an idea of a great 3D print project. Make a forward fuselage to convert a SR-71 to an A-12.
Thanks, that could be a good one to try.
Very good presentation. I use Rhino, which is very similar to MOI. Looking forward to more of your videos.
Thanks for the feedback. I've not tried Rhino but hear it was similar.
That's a great tutorial. I tried getting my head around Fusion360 but I just couldn't do it. I really don't need such advanced CAD functionality, whereas MoI is exactly what makes sense to me. Draw the lines on the plans and go from there. Definitely interested in seeing how that 1/32 TSR.2 turns out. It's my favourite jet aircraft!
Appreciate you taking the time to provide some feedback. My experiences were the same. Certainly nothing against those other software packages but I didn't want a 2 year learning curve, especially for what I was wanting to accomplish. The TSR.2 is an impressive aircraft indeed. I just need to keep pressing forward with the design. Cheers!
The workflow in fusion is more or less identical. Obviously the buttons and functions have different names.
But this software seems nice too.
Whatever works for you!
One of these days I'll take the time to try fusion. Maybe my learning curve will not be as steep now.
@@FlyingSModels I bet it won’t be hard for you to transition. You’re already doing exactly the same things. I wonder if there is really any advantage to fusion for you at this point.
@@John_colasante yep, and I’m not sure my old computer could handle it. With MOI working for me, there’s not a whole lot of motivation to switch over.
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Thank you. Appreciate the sub!
Thanks. Your videos on this topic are excellent! Please do more :)
I will....thank you for that feedback!
You could make a video/ttorial with yf-23 complete modeling. That would be superb!
Would be a really long video and probably show many of the same techniques repeated many times. I'll consider it for the future. Appreciate the thought/recommendation.
@@FlyingSModelsThanks for your answer. You could make a serie/playlist of videos. One video per month would be great. Of course it will take time but for us that want to model our own modelsthis would be like gold. Thanks. btw... love your work!!!
A series would be greats!
Super thanks
Thank you for the feedback.
Espectacular tu trabajo estimado, saludos desde Chile.
Thank you for the good feedback and the greetings from Chile! Hope you enjoyed the video.
Awesome. Would like to see if Plasticity also can do this cause it is only 1/3 the price.
Thanks! I haven't tried Plasticity but it's likely some of the same features are there. Might be called something different but probably similar. Let me know if you try it and it works as well or better. Cheers!
Glad to see you back!
Appreciate that. Good to be back.
Great video and looking forward to seeing more!
Appreciate the good words. Hopefully more videos in the near future.
Very good video
Thank you for the good feeback.
Great tool, great demo, thanks 👍
Thank you! Really appreciate your feedback.
Very interesting.
Thanks! Hope it was helpful.
Amazing work!
Thank you for that feedback! Hope it was helpful.
Extremely! Not sure I've seen better results from this type of process on yt. Excellent execution!@@FlyingSModels
@@planejanemodeling thank you!
do you plan to upload any of the models you made? The YF-23 bomber is super cool!
So far I haven't. Still trying to figure out what I want to do with the CAD files. The bomber is pretty cool and really big in 1/48. Thanks!
awesome! is that a heavier version of a f-23?
It was actually a "proposed" bomber version of the F-23 called a FB-23. Some interesting reading if you google it.
Very interesting, hard to imagine " making" your own entire model. Is the 3D resin material similar to a standard model kit? I ask because of glue and paint compatibility of materials to build standard kits. What do you think, based on current printers is the largest scale you could print. .Thanks for sharing, with kit prices going up you could get your return on investment back in a reasonable time.
Resin and model kit plastic (polystyrene) are not the same, as for glue and paint compatability, glue will not work. Because the glue is meant to melt the polystyrene and weld it together, it will not work well with the resin, however something like super glue or epoxy. Paint will adhere well once a primer is on the resin, you can buy resin primer that works well, although it might paint on fine I haven't tried yet. When it comes to print size, it really depends on how big a printer you buy. For cheaper printers they have smaller print volumes (14x9cm). Big printers do exist just at a higher cost. I am not sure about the ROI, maybe if you do alot of printing but resin is not super cheap and a printer will set you back a few hundred bucks. Really depends on how much you use it.
I've got some pics up on my 1/32 Martin Baker MB.5 which is just about a complete printed model (minus the canopy that I still need to vac form). Printed material is resin so it takes super glue like any other resin kit. They make some pretty big printers but my little Phrozen Sonic Mini cost about $120 and it prints sections up to almost 6" tall. I just print the model parts in sections to accommodate. Hope this helps.
@@BenMyhillJones Thanks, this definitely helps out
@@FlyingSModels thanks I'll check them out. $120 ? That is amazing, some basic kits barely start at that price, was guessing around $500.00 minimum. Very glad I watched the video.
You would also need a wash and cure which would be another $100 or so but the entry costs are really not that bad. Of course, you could spend more and get larger, higher end stuff, just like anything. Let me know if you have any other questions/comments.
How do you handle smoothing out the texture inherent to 3D printing? Acetone vapor baths seem like the obvious solution, but I'm less certain about its effects on small details on scale models... if those details can be printed at all!
Use a high-resolution resin printer. They are not expensive these days. I have the Phrozon Sonic Mini 8k and it is perfect for printing model parts.
As has been stated, I high rez printer will do wonders for you. They are not like the old filament printers that need the acetone bath to smooth surfaces and then negatively impact surface details/small details.
This program looks alot like Rhino 3d. Try it if you can. You can find it in the bay.
Copy that. Appreciate the comments and advice.
Wow. TSR2. I want it
Thanks! I just need to get back on the design and knock it out.
Any chance you can print a 1/24 J-3 Cub? Asking for a friend. 😉
That's a good one. After seeing what can be done with one, I think it's a great idea :)
So you can 3d planes like Dauntless, Corsair, P47 using rc drawing making molds much faster and easier correct?
For sure. You can print anything that you can design for the most part. Sky is the limit!
Ummmm...need more videos mate! :)
Definitely need to get back to it. Been way too long.
hi
glad to have found you
i will be lucky to get a reply however.
please can you help me with the reference drawings
i agree that your method is super.
i however do not have MOI 3D but rather Freecad
Freecard has all the tools including "Faces" or Network as described in MOI 3D
Your method which i do appreciate however requires more than just top , front and side view.
it requires the graph for volume perspective .
You were very brief explaining the graph and how to align it with the side image reference for your demonstration
i hope to understand this before jumping in both feet
i wish to draw the SR 71 and B2 spirit bomber
I have found an image reference with the graph for the SR7 however how do i use the graph
sincerely do appreciate your time
ejike
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Thank you for your feedback and questions. I hope I can answer them effectively here but if not, feel free to reach out via the website contact so we can email and possible share images that might help more. Drawing these models does take more than a simple 3 view. Most 5 view drawings with cross sectional profiles also include a datum to align the cross sections with the side and top views. I put the datum on the x or y axis when I trace the drawings and locate those cross sections as you can see in the video. Keep in mind that no drawing (at least that I have found) are completely accurate and you will always need to bounce against real photos or dimensions taken from the actual aircraft (depending on how accurate you intent to be). Fortunately, the SR71 is well documented so you should be in good shape there. Let me know if you have any additional questions. Thank you again.
What software do you use in a video? Dose it need a powerful PC?
It's mentioned in the video. Tool is called Moment of Inspiration. Quite a useful piece of software.
@@sinus2220 Obvious I missed it, author should such thing into description.
Yep, it's MOI 3D and I should have posted a link the description. I'll go do that now. It's a nice software package that doesn't require a powerful PC.
Man, you make this look so easy. I’ve been working with Rhino for the last 12 years but this makes me wonder if I shouldn’t change to this program. I can easily follow your approach but would have big problems with getting Rhino to do all this stuf. So is it MOI indeed or do you have a much deeper general insight in modeling strategies then I have?
MOI is a lot easier. I tried using other software prior to MOI and couldn't seem to draw even a basic shape. I have found MOI to be really easy to learn and use. It might be limited compared to the likes of Fusion and such but I appreciated the shallow learning curve. Let me know if you make the swap and have any questions. I'll do what I can to help. Appreciate the feedback.
@@FlyingSModels Thanks for the reaction. I find Rhino to be very handy to get my conceptual thoughts together. It’s not so solid oriented as the engineering softwares I “grew up with”. A simple example: if I want to draw a car I can easily place the positions of the wheels in space. But when you want to refine the basic 3D designs I find it to be less intuitive. I must however confess that I still only work with Rhino 4 because that is the version I bought a license for at the time. I’ll surely have closer look at MOI and let you know.
Out of curiosity what width and depth do you find works best for your panel lines ?
Naturally, it depends on scale but I find a 0.3mm width and 0.7mm height works pretty well for 1/32 given the sanding and priming that I have to do to join sections and get a really smooth surface finish.
Cool video. An import part of this process is locating the detailed drawings. Do you have a source for detailed drawings?
I try to keep a good stash of books and magazines and web is loaded with all kinds of drawings
How do I import the plans as a background in MOI ? @@FlyingSModels
@@leonardbenzies6374 Just go to "View" then "Image" the "Add" and select that plan you want to import. Then just drag it in using your mouse to determine the size you want at the scale you need. Hope this helps.
Where are you getting your plans?
Most often I get them from online sources but I also have a decent collection of reference books that have many detailed drawings with cross sections. Let me know if you are looking for anything specific that you aren't finding online and I can try to help.
also, is there a web site that will have cut aways of aircraft like you have here? what would that drawing be called?
I get a lot of stuff from this site: www.aerospaceprojectsreview.com/
Thanks so much for the video. I’ve been considering doing 3d modeling for the exact reason you are (to create 3d models for printing for scale modeling). I did some research and see that MOI3D is ‘a lot’ less expensive then some of the other CAD software packages out there. Based on your videos it looks like you’ve been using the software for more than a few years. Have you had to reach to the publisher for support? If yes, how are they in terms of helping with issues? Lastly, is there a large MOI3D community out there that you participate in?
I forgot to ask. What 3D printer are you using?
I have both a Phrozen Sonic Mini and a Phrozen 8K Mini. I haven't had any issues with the software and have never needed publisher support. There's a pretty good resource group online that I have used from time to time. With the free trial, it doesn't hurt to give it a try. Let me know if you have any issues or questions. Happy to try to help.
consider buying Plasticty
Thanks! I'll give it a look.
@@antonioesposito8071I’m curious. What make Plasticity a better choice over MOI3D?
Please tell me the YF-23A EMD can be purchased somewhere! 🙏 Pleeeaaaase!
The design is actually a 1/32 F-23B proposal, not an "A" model. But if you are interested, I can hopefully help a little. Message me through the facebook page or through my website for easier comms. Thanks!
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Thanks!
hi, very good tutorial , what 3d printer do you use?
I have 3 that I use. A Phozen Sonic Mini, a Phrozen Sonic Mini 8K, and a Bambu X1 Carbon (PLA prints). Hope this helps. Thanks for the good feedback.
@@FlyingSModels oh i see youre not using the cheap basic ones hehe... very nice tutorials, i learned a lot from you. Perhaps 3d printers are the future of scale models, for some countries its a good solution, and maybe a business opportunity
How did you move the top part to the bottom? Do you have a complete tutorial front start to finished?
Unfortunately, I don't have a complete tutorial as that would be a very long video. I was just trying to share some of the foundational techniques that can be used over and over again to create these models. I'm not sure I understand your question on moving the top to the bottom. Perhaps you can elaborate a little. Thanks!
I notice that your model has a .3dm extension, does this mean that this software plays well with Rhinoceros? I would love to see an extended tutorial of how you modelled this fuselage section, and where you get your reference drawings from. I'm more used to Rhino as a modelling tool but I've never worked on something this intricate.
I have not tried Rhino so I can't speak to how well MOI plays with Rhino but I think I've heard that it does. Most of my drawings come from online or books that I have collected over the years. I'll try to do some more videos showing more in the future but most folks stop watching after just a few mins so I didn't want to go overboard with a long video and just tried to show some basics that can be applied.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I think that MoI was created by one of ex-Rhino devs.
@@kurisuchiinathecrocodile333 I’m not sure of the history but that sounds reasonable.
Yep, Moi models open natively in Rhino
@@winlen4731 Michael from Moi is the co-creator of Rhino…
Which model plane is it? Or where blueprint can i found it?
The model illustrated in the thumbnail is actually an YF-23B, proposed bomber version of the YF-23A. I used the A model drawings to show the process in the videos. The drawings can be found online if you just search on YF-23 scale drawings. Hope this helps.
Pretty sure my comment got nuked for posting a link (to the flyingsmodels page) so I'm reposting. The flyingsmodels site just gives me a 404, is it down?
Thanks for the heads up. I really don't do much with the site so I need to go check that. It might be down. My page over on facebook seems to be still up.
I just made an update to the link in the description. Hopefully it works now. Thanks for letting me know.
@@FlyingSModels Works now, thanks 👍
@@laserclowns8402 thank you for letting me know
Where can I find the technical drawing form?
I get mine online by searching for scale drawings for a particular type. If you need something specific, let me know and I'll see what I can do.
Thanks @@FlyingSModels. I'm looking for a technical aircraft drawing that I can use as a basis for making a 3D model and later printing it. My next intention includes using this model to build an RC plane.
How do you determine the size for RC?
I'm not sure what you are asking about. Are you wanting to scale up from 1/32 to a larger size for RC? If so, just divide 32 by the scale you want (for example, 1/8 scale would be 32/8 = 4) and you would enlarge the design 4 times? If you are asking a different question, just let me know.
Just a comment for the old algorithm
And the old algorithm thanks you!!
What is the used software?
MOI 3D
Where you get the blueprints?
From this site: www.up-ship.com/
MOi was, but it is not enough
Thanks for your feedback on MOI.
I still can't get why MOI is that expensive...
Have the prices gone up? I paid $200 for a lifetime license a couple of years ago which I thought was super cheap.
@SModels yeap its 295USD now and I was super down to get it because it's simplicity of the way you can design something.
Excellent tutorial. I am convinced, this is the future of scale modeling. No longer hoping for someone to release a dream project. A question, though. How big is the print area on your printer? I am looking at several models, and there seems to be a big jump from "medium" to "large". That fuselage section you were holding is huge.
Appreciate the feedback. This technology is changing scale modeling for sure. The printer I used for that TSR.2 fwd fuse is actually really small (approx 6x3x6 print bed). I just printed in sections and joined those together with CA and then sanded and primed it. But they make some really big printers with large print beds.
@@FlyingSModels thank you for taking the time to reply. I appreciate it. Im looking at a medium sized printer, the Elegoo Saturn 2 8k. Seems like the next step up is all the way to about $1000 for a “large” printer. The one i am eyeing is 8.6 x 4.8 by 9+ inches. Good to know you have good results from smaller prints. Excellent content, thank you.
@@citadelgrad87 the Satern 8K is excellent and has a good size bed. I’m hearing their new 12K is even better. Might be worth a look.
@LPJModels
Thx
Nice one thanks.......enjoyed it!
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for the feedback!