Coming Clean - Confession, Repentance, Restoration | Engels Coach Shop
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- Dealing with abuse. I've used excessive force for too long and now I have to deal with the aftermath. My welding table vise has given up the ghost, so to speak, and I have to figure out what I've done to it. Can I save it, or do I resort back to an older, heavier vise that hasn't worked for years? Both need restoring.
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David, you never cease to amaze me. Not only are you an accomplished craftmen, but you also know how to tell a story. I really enjoy your videos. Keep up the great work.
Couldn’t agree with this comment any better… Most enjoyable & educational series out there…
Ditto that exactly. 👍👍👍
Hi, I'm Steve and I'm a pipe wrench abuser. Meetings are on Tuesday at 7pm.
Wow, I was worried there for a minute! I think eventually, everyone who uses a vise will subject it to some abuse. I once broke a smaller cheap off-shore unit using excessive force. We've all been there!
I once was banging on something pretty lightweight on the anvil portion of a chinesium vice and only managed to dent up the vice ... LoL
Damn, I was thinkin' vices not vise's, sometimes one you abuse and sometimes one abuses you!!
Many years ago I worked in a small garage. One day I came to work and the fixed jaw/body of our 5 inch vise was broken clean in two. After unbolting it from the bench I noticed some writing in the side of the casting. After scraping through many layers of crud, I saw that it said "Craftsman". Hallelujah! This was in the days when if it said "Craftsman" it was guaranteed forever. So I packed it off to the nearest Sears (no small feat since it was a heavy mother), and their response was "We don't make that one any more. Here's the next size up. Have a nice day." 🙂
@@frankely6378 That's awesome!
@@frankely6378 it’s not like that as Sears anymore. They would say you broke it so buy another one. Have a good day and you should be wearing a mask.
It takes a real man to recognize his errors and admit it when he breaks his own tools. We're here for you brother. Let the healing begin.
No, I was not fooled, knew the video was not going as some may have thought. David is a gentleman and why have we ruled out that Diane actually broke the vise?
@@dianneroberto5464 😂.........................
Phew! For a moment there I thought you'd busted up your table saw or smashed your band saw!
I'm pleased to hear it was only your vice 😁
The comments show that many of your viewers (including me) were bracing themselves for a real confession, and would have been ready to support you in whatever way we could. If such a confession was in order, I have no doubt you would have made it appropriately. Even your jokes reveal who you really are, and I am grateful for the opportunity to know you, to the extend that this medium allows.
By the way, I have two broken vises (with an "s") under my bench. My excuse is that they were abused by their previous owners.
is it one man's tool is another man's device or was that de vice. and mr engels from little house on the prairie or was itnof garrison Keillor of lake wo-be-gon days
telling us in a george strait kinda way to play a paycheck song that goes like take this job and shove(l) it, i'm having so much fun im not working here no more no more. police release me. i want ta go home. to the greene grass of home. home is where the heart is. mine beats (tony beets a fellow dutch born brother from different mothers and fathers moms and dads. hay is for horses better for cows pigs don't eat it because they don't know how. and mr engels has facial hair similar to tony beets and the burl ives talking snowman in the santa clause claymation christmas special.
knock knock
who's there?
blaze here.
if you are a guy pull out your fire hose and piss on the fire until it is out.
if you are a person of the female anatomy drop your underwear and piss on fire until it is out.
if you are unsure of your gender find a jack or jill to fetch a pail of water. if jack me offs jill can roll down hill in a field of clover and extinguish the blaze.
mr engels. mr. engels i watched to many dennis the menace returns and reruns. please help me mr engels if you can green eggs and ham from the dr. suess classic story of a cat in a hat. good day mr. engels. glad you fixed your vices. i
That was a unique look at, “the life of an abused vise”. It would seem that your due diligence for confession and contrition is good fore the renovation of the bigger vise. We ( your viewers) are definitely going to be watching out for the various vises and holding devises used in the future. Great video. Do like the choice of paint color, for the bigger shop vise. Kind of a cranberry. Nice.
“I haven't a particle of confidence in a man who has no redeeming petty vices whatsoever.”
― Mark Twain
Dave, I think you'll find many of your viewers are either vice beaters or recovering from vice abuse!
Man thanks for the laugh!
Chris--And thank YOU for the laugh!!
your opening monologue was academy award level...😄
Thanks for the big reveal Dave. So good to get that stuff out into the open. Lucky that that's your only vice. I wonder if there's a 12 Step Program for vise-al abuse.
And Dave shows WHY a TRUE Handyman NEVER throws ANYTHING out! 👍🤣
Every time you make a video, you tell us a story, not only in words but mainly in the work you do. They are very well told and beautiful stories. Thanks.
I was COMPLETELY FOOLED
i was literally getting ready for some tear-jerking gritty heart-pouring yet still inspiring real-life confession.
Well it was. Just not what you was hoping for though.
What? You mean, it wasn't!?
Me, too. He's in the west, so I thought he was about to confess to robbing the bank.
@@WillFastie Or being that parachute guy.
I feel for you my brother. When I was around 25 years old I broke a very good and expensive vice and promised myself I would never do it again. Well 32 years later l broke another one. It was my father-in-laws vice and he was standing right beside me when it happened. It wasn’t pretty, but I survived,barely. At least still part of the family.
Well played sir. You snatched victory.from the jaws of defeat. ;-) 🇬🇧
the fact that he's making a joke out of men beating their wives is... not a good look. There being so many comments showing support for this humor really speaks to a backwards violent culture in his demographic of viewers.
Love watching old equipment being restored and put back to work.
i bought a old vice from a auction with a broken nut like that. paid 10$ for A vice that should have went for around 400. i just cut out the broken nut, bought a new nut and welded it in. that was about 8 years ago. im still using that vice.
“Hi my name is Dave, and I’m a viseaholic”. “Hi Dave”
This just confirms that, even though we are old, we still have some use. The old man must not be thrown away, one day he may need it!
There was a collective sigh of relief from your viewers when you let us in on the real story great video
the fact that he's making a joke out of men beating their wives is... not a good look. There being so many comments showing support for this humor really speaks to a backwards violent culture in his demographic of viewers.
That was a great idea using the Farrier's rasp to imprint Grippers into the jaws! Great job!
It's a nice decorative touch.
I thought you were going to have to mill the jaws. That idea of heating then and pressing them was sweet. You were going to have to heat them to temper them anyway.
Just need to get a grip on the vise!! You can do it, Dave!
Restoring an old vise is like helping an old friend....Nicely done Dave!
You were lucky to have a machine shop nearby. And a good tech available.
Thank you Dave, I have been dealing with this Vise vice secretly for years. Inspired by your courage to talk about it I have made up my mind to stop. Again thank you Dave
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OMG Love the content. For a moment I thought a fallen angel was the topic, but no,WHEW. Keep up the great work.
I've lost count of the things I didn't 'mean' to break! But then, I learned a lot from my grandad who's ex British Rail, and one of his answers to 'how tight?' is the old classic 'tighten it til it shears, then a quarter turn back.'! You don't find out how strong something is, unless you find out how strong it isn't.
Aye,. That's the skill all men that tighten things learn the hard way...."right to the point it's ready to shear..." It's a feel you develop with time when you feel that ever so slight change in resistance....
...And then you think "I wonder if it's going to break off when the next guy goes to take it off?"
Hey Dave, and thank you for your intimate view about your use and abuse of your equipment. Warm greetings from the Netherlands, Bram
Dave Engels: Craftsman, story-teller, videographer, actor!
Amazing, but I rebuilt a vise that looked just like this back in 1973! My shop foreman told me I did a good job and sternly warned me never to use a "helper" in tightening a vise as it could strip threads inside. His advice still rings in my ears to this day. The technique of imprinting a file on the jaws is a new one for me! We used to have four utility trucks that had medium sized vises mounted on their rear bumpers and they were always freezing up due to rust caused by salt spray during the winter. They were a constant maintenance headache but a necessary chore.
I love your work ethic in repairing/restoring/improving things! It's a pleasure to observe someone that knows what they are doing!
OK, I was tensing up there for a minute! Your videos are always entertaining, educational and a thoroughly wonderful way to end a work week. I'm retired now, but somehow the cares and stress of the week melt away as I watch a true craftsman and jack-of-all-trades working his magic. Thank you as always for sharing with us!
Thanks for sharing what everyone does to their vises. If they say they don't abuse their vise it's because they have a way bigger vise than they really need in their shop. Like Pappy always said, if it don't fit don't force it get a bigger hammer. Stay safe Dave and keep up the fun around there and make humor of the necessary repairs to things around the shop. Fred.
A suggestion: I find that the reason we apply crazy amounts of force with a vise is usually because we are trying to hold something with only friction ... Recently i made some soft jaws for my vise with a series of vertical holes of different size on the split line, and with horizontal vee grooves, so i could properly grip AROUND a variety of real world objects like bolt shanks,, rather than just gripping on two opposed tangents by friction.
They are not hardened and have no teeth... Don't need them because they are not trying to bite into the part. So they don't constantly damage everything they touch like normal vise jaws.
They have worked AMAZINGLY WELL. I get a really solid grip with very low applied force.
Might be something to consider?
Well, yes, but ... you're still using friction, and that's ok. 👍🖖
Que beleza de restauração, agora tem dois tornos em perfeitas condições de uso, maravilha. Parabéns!!
Thanks for sharing 👍 You know Mr. Pete just had a heat attack watching the way you made the ridges on the jaws.
Curly Howard "Vice? I have no vice! I'm as pure as the driven snow!".
Moe Howard as he slaps Curly " Yeah but you drifted!"
Just thought this hard work required a little levity. LOL
David, may the excessive force be with you.
Many years ago, 40+ to be exact, I worked in a truck assembly plant. There was an engineer who used to bluster around telling us young 'uns on the line to stop forcing things and get a bigger hammer. When you think about it, there's truth in those words. All the cheap vises I've broken through the decades, if I'd paid the good money all those years ago, I'd still be using the first one.
Well you had me going. Well played sir. Enjoyable video as always, with something a bit different.
Agreed,Scare us to death
Only you could tackle vice abuse by doubling the number of potential "victims" ;-
It's ok Dave, I confess as well, I don't lift my files on the back stroke, so we all have to deal with ISSUES!
Fireball Tool did a whole series on not lifting on the back stroke. After something like 10000 strokes there was no damage to the file beyond 10000 strokes worth of wear. You're fine. Do what feels comfortable while working.
@@DavidSoucie you dont lift the file on the backstroke to avoid damage to the file. The file doesnt cut backwards, so its a pointless waste of energy putting in the same effort as the forward stroke. As is the same pressure on the pull back of a hand saw
@@gbwildlifeuk8269 That's not what most people are talking about when they say they don't lift the file. They aren't trying to cut backwards. People release most of the downward pressure, but still allow the file to drag along the surface which keeps it registered. Fun fact saws and files both do, in fact, remove material on the back stroke just not as efficiently as on the down stroke.
@@DavidSoucie your statement said "there was no damage to the file after 10000 strokes" which implies files are damaged by using them on the back stroke. My point was preventing damage on the back stroke was not the purpose of lifting the file, for the reasons stated.
As for cutting on the back stroke, place a piece of metal in your vice and file it using only the back stroke, (use as much pressure as you want!).
See how many filings you collect in an hour! Its like sanding wood with toilet paper 😁😁
@@gbwildlifeuk8269 Said by someone who has obviously neither watched the video nor done any serious hand filing in their life.
Funny how you, like me, will keep a spare for 40+ years "in case you might need it someday." 😉
It was difficult to thru the first part of this today. I am a survivor, it brought me back to some difficult times from my past. Thankfully is was just a joke, My father was a master craftsman like you. And I have followed in in footsteps in many wayʻs, Just not the abuse. I was able to break the cycle. I watch you to remind me of the few good times we had in the shop. Thanks for all you do. Kris
More good times will come.
For me it was an older brother. For 6 years I lived with the fear that he was going to kill me in a way that would look like an accident. I was his punching bag when he got angry over something not working the way he wanted it to. After he was kicked out of the house the real nightmares began. I learned about PTSD from reading an article about it and with more research I learned how to cope with the nightmares that would happen when I was awake. It took a while to figure out how to separate the flashbacks from the reality of the moment. I fought suicide in my teenage years because of the almost daily flashbacks. In my mid 20's I spoke with a psychologist who told me that I was one of very few people he had met who had learned how to function normally during a flashback. I know the horror of reliving abuse and the fear of losing control of yourself in situations where it could cause you to have an accident. I have experienced flashbacks while driving, working and doing other things. I still have nightmares occasionally about things that happened 50 years and more ago. I have to be very careful about this because I have come out of a deep sleep in a rage and screaming before. It's something that my dear wife of 35 years doesn't understand and can't comprehend how something that happened so long ago can still affect me. Yes, I survived and I am still wondering how. I didn't have any support or outside help because my father didn't take it as anything serious until something happened that he couldn't ignore. I had to find the information that helped me totally by chance. If not for that I would have been just another suicide statistic.
Abused vice never tells anyone of the abuse, but we all see the marks, and know what is really happening behind closed doors. Back in the day when blacksmiths did all their work under a spreading chestnut tree for all to see, this abuse never happened. It's a different world today than the one I grew up in. 🙃
Dave: Master Blacksmith, Master WheelWright, Master Wagon Maker and Master ACTOR!
And now Master Baiter.
This video was bait.
@@shawbros and it was great. Those of us who watch Dave every week really enjoyed it.
It's a little disturbing that you didn't get rid of your bad vice, but instead justified a way to keep it. I have to doubt your full recovery.
Dave, Becky and I appreciate your sense of humor. Good thing you had that other vise. A man can never have too many vises!
We want to thank you for taking the time to visit with us this week! We will stop next time we are heading south. Doug
absolutely hilarious. I'm married 42 years and my lovely bride has told me on more than a few occasions that I'm hard on the equipment. hahaha
Normally the Vice abuses you….. great storytelling Dave, thank you
Now it's vise versa!
There is nothing like dry humor and Montana wit. Great video.
They say confession is good for the soul but the first part of solving a problem is actually recognising there is a problem in the first place! You are absolved. Excellent as always.
Good work, sir! A vise has a "vice" for abuse. Sometimes the only way to make something behave is to HOLD IT STILL while you MAKE the workpiece behave. I'd say after 40+ years of that vise being your Third Hand while you work your craft, you've done it a great service by restoring, repairing, and putting it somewhere where it'll still be useful, and can live out the rest of its life with purpose.
Your videos are like confession, good for the soul.
I’ve been restoring old vises for about three years now. Mostly old American ones like Prentiss, Reed, Yost and Charles Parker.
The old vises show signs of use and abuse. I don’t think you should be too hard on yourself. The vise is a tool like any other, and what happened to yours just don’t last forever.
You did a really nice job of rehabbing that spare. It should do you good for many years yet.
Great program, Dave.
Although, I was confused. I wasn't sure if I was watching "Coach Shop" or "Hand Tool Rescue" or "Vintage Machinery".
You’ve now taken the first step in your recovery Dave. Not sure if this is also a 12 step program but we’re here for you to chastise you into recovery if that’s what it will take.
Of course we’ll only know that you continue to abuse your vice if you post video of the occurrence.
Whew'......I'm hearing impaired and read lips (direct facial view), but do get jammed up sometimes (mouthing "olive juice" may appear as "I love you") and I just about fell over when Dave mouthed "I abuse my wife", (vise) but replay & CC corrected my miss reading! Yep, I've abused my "vise" too Dave and yes sir, I've used cheater bars on her.....and...ahem'....a hammer a time or two! But change is doable and you have a passle full of dedicated subscribers to keep you on the straight & narrow. Giving them some TLC sure made'em purdy'. :o)
"Old habits are hard to break..." - unlike old vises, eh? ;-) Seriously though, for that "pattern" on jaws I'd use a thin cut-off wheel (like 1.5 mm/ 0.06 in) on an angle grinder and just cut that pattern by hand, freehand. In fact, I did just that when I got for free, some thirty years ago a really old, heavy 6" vise with smooth jaws. They weren't "worn out smooth", they were just made like that, probably some "shop made replacement" ones, as the vise itself back then looked like at least forty yrs old and heavily used.
But that "coming clean - confession..." get me suspicious right when I saw it... Oh boy, you have the knack for dramatisation, don't ya? ;-)
A comedian! Remember: A vise grips for you, and vice grips you. You might also consider acquiring an Emmert patternmakers vise, or viewing Fireball Tool's vise on YT.
New viewer here. I CONFESS! I entered to the video for the juicy title and the twist make me a subscriber. Good video Thanks! Success and Health for you and your loved ones.
We've all abused a tool we love...
Admitting we have a problem is the 1st step...
I've abused a few squares in my day..( ice scrapers.wood lifters .etc...
Saws are my worst....they don't stand a chance..I run' em hard and put 'em away wet..
Probably the first documented case of a man breaking a vice instead of the vice breaking the man..... LoL
Hi Dave! First time tuning in for a spell. I've been over at CuriousMarc watching an Apollo Era Lunar Module computer getting restored. I jump around alot on RUclips, but I suppose we all have our "vices"
Nice job cleaning up that rusty unit, it looks brand new.
Now, were you on this side of the Atlantic, you could make all sorts of puns about your vice being vice abuse. We have only one spelling shared between the two meanings.
This also allows owners of three vices and a pack of playing cards to set up the visual pun "My biggest vice is gambling"
Most enjoyable, great humor. Here in Missouri we have a group that might be able to help you, VVV, Victims of Vice Vengeance. They meet on the Saturdays of months with five Sundays. There are mental health officials there for support. Send us your vice’s and we’ll see if we can get them through these horrible times.
Great humorous video, thank you for taking the time, and you did a heck of a job fixing the second vice up.
From Missouri
Tooooo late!
If you haven't learned not to abuse your vises by now, well, that's just the way it goes!
Got any pics of you and your work when you were 25?
I summited Mt. Whitney when I was 26. "Eons ago!"
No pics, but I signed the log book at the summit.
This just isn't right, I have spent all day putting in my engine into a 79 F150 andf it is 9:30 at night so I thought I would take a short break. The most relaxing I can find is watching this video. Totally wonderful. Love it, now I will get back to work with renewed vigor.
It's a long road to recovery. I've just come clean now I'm listed as a Vise abuser on Vicean's list here in La Jolla. My neighbor's avoid me and women walk on the opposite side of the street when they are with vice. The first step is the hardest. I'm certain you are much better than I am, my vice is hidden out of view now... Great phycological analogy David! I do have rage moments but I would not be a man if I didn't!
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Maybe we could make a group of anonymous Vise-Abusers.
This is an issue nobody wants to talk about in the public .. .
. .. so you were brave today.
BUT : All this happened for a good reason :
The Salvation of abused & neglected Carriges.
HI Dave,
Like others, you almost got me. Many years ago, my brother worked in a job-shop machine shop. A piece of mine equipment came in to be repaired, in a hurry. It was a big bull gear on a big shaft. Bolts were rusted and beat up and not coming out with the usual persuasion of heat and penetrants. So, what do you do? Of course, put a cheater bar on a 1" big-name breaker bar, hold the part down in a press brake, and put a fork truck on the end of the cheater bar. When the breaker bar broke, it sounded like a large bore pistol shot. Later, the sales rep for the breaker bar was in the shop, and he was asked if the warranty applied to the pieces. The rep went to his truck, handed over a new breaker bar, then asked, "Just how did you break the old one?" Did I mention, it was a _one-inch_ breaker bar? After explaining to the sales rep what happened, he said, "Yep, that'll happen now and then!" Dave, you are going to have to step up your game if you are really going to consider yourself a vice abuser! 🤪
Too bad you didn't have a vise to squeeze that heated nut back together. Would have been easier. Lol
My big vices, an occasional cigar, an occasional beer, and a 5" piece of crapstman vise. My worse vise by far is the crapstman. I don't dare abuse it because I know it will break, it's kind of a waste of cast iron.
Didn't those detectives on Dragnet work in the Vise Department. Perhaps they should be called. You might need to go "downtown". Just the facts man.
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Think anybody that picks up a wrench struggles with the same problems weather they want to admit or not. I tend to break something that is giving trouble, if it ain’t broke why fix it rule tends to play in. Give it a reason to be fixed. Check out fire ball tools. He builds a monster vise.
If you want a vise that can take pretty much any abuse you want to throw at it, a Fireball Hardtail Vise is the way to go. Expensive, but if you need something that can handle anything. This thing is it. I think Jason is from Montana, at least he lived here before moving to Spokane so he could more easily get production of his tool designs done. The smaller vises are sold out. Don't know if or when they'll be in stock. He also has a youtube channel.
Personally I think of and treat my big shop vice kind of like something a kin to a government mule and a red headed step child which means it gets plenty of hot suppers, never gets desert, and only gets curry combed and given a bath about once a year which normally is about the time It gets a dental visit also known as fitting its jaws with new choppers. I had a machine shop near me roll knurl about a 6 foot bar of hardened able steel of unknown grade that was 5/8 of inch thick that I cut in correct length pieces to fit my vice and then differential hardened and tempered so that I have about a 10 or more year supply of vice jaws that would probably last most people a lifetime but I hate worn vice jaws.
Some of us have more than one vice. Is there a 10 or 12 step program that you can recommend?
Since I had not reflected on my own vises recently I conducted a personal inventory and discovered six in my shop.
Thanks for sharing.
OK, I'm half blind but did anyone else notice the threaded hole in the broken part being offcentre?
That is where the failure was.
I'm thinking the "new" part is gonna be a lot stronger because it's get more metal around all of the thread.
I have also abused my vise, I also must admit I have used an 8 foot cheater pipe on a 3/4 ratchet..............
Got me fooled there for a second.😄
An a serious note. Will stelter on yt knows a lot about different vices and he makes his own parts for stuff he has and rebuilds, beeing a bladesmith and all. Maybe give him a call. I believe he lives in montana. It might be he has the part or can lake a new one for furtjer vice abuse.
Most all import vices have a very short life but a vices made in the USA ,or prior to 1940 will be good still in 2022.
To stop abusing your vises, you'd have to have some vices to distract you from working with them. ;)
Well if you can not use it you will abuse it. Or else you need a bigger one. I guess one rule of thumb is if you are using the cheater bar and the bench starts moving then maybe it is torqued just right..Tell me that you haven't done just that..or do you have the bench welded to the floor also..My very best for you and yours..Jim
Broke a vise in high school shop by using a cheater pipe. Teacher made me get it repaired. Don't remember what it cost but I didn't have much money then do I learned my lesson. Won't say I've never done that again but a little more careful and have not broke another one.
You know there are church gatherings for vise abusers. Social clubs with other vise abusers you can talk about your Heynis behavior can help you thru the rough times. I too was a vise abuser until we moved and I left that vise behind. Better for both of us. I’m sure that vise is happier
By golly, I was really worried and ready for bad news. Now can't stop laughing, what a terrible vice to have.
No harm done; "Vi(s)es are simply the errors which a man makes in his search after his own happiness. Unlike crimes, they imply no malice toward others, and no interference with their persons or property" - Lysander Spooner
Well done sir well done I laughed my head off I thought it was something really serious many a time I've used my voice and got pissed off more than once I swears in and sometimes throw my hammer when things don't go good especially when I'm trying to nail something in the nail bends and a few other things which I throw when I'm not having a good day when making something we all have a bad hair day that's for sure when I do that of course yep love this one it was really great please keep up the good work we really like your program I don't get as much time to watch your programs as I would like but when I get a chance I do take advantage of it you're a great Craftsman
I think it's fireball tools that has a vise that you'd never break. He has a channel on RUclips. Have a great.
Dang it, at first i really fell for it! 😀
Great restoration, thanks for sharing with us.
I have tried to come to terms with this issue in my own life by blaming my Dad and Grandfather for their tutelage! 😂
If I see you grab that pipe again I will be sure to holler out to not do that. WAIT, once I see it you will have done it. Great job restoring both of those vises.
Funny ! I thought you were going to confess to mistreating your wife of 32 years. I have anger issues too but don't take it out on my tools!
You had me worried at first and then I was laughing, have you ever thought of throwing in some cowboy poetry 🤔
Confession is good for the soul they say, I have many vices, eating too much ice cream is one I am currently abusing.
If you want a vice that can withstand any abuse you would realistically do to it get a Fireball Tools bench vice.
Just goes to show that all of us have our vices! The important thing is that we admit them and then move on.
Ingenious use of the file to make the grooving on the jaws!!!!