How To DESTROY Algae in 30 Seconds (Get Rid Of Aquarium Algae FAST)
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Today its all about destroying algae in your aquarium. Bleach dips are a proven and safe way to get rid of all types of algae in your fish tank.
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bro, the amount of nonsense that you pack into this video is unforgivable
Yeah he is stretching it out until the 10 minute mark
Rude
@@lt.generalmills7195 not really, he is bloviating big time
Amen.
Algae forms faster than his explanation on how to eliminate algae.
Nearly a 13 minute video just to show you dipping your algae covered plant in diluted bleach for 30 seconds... Looks like I'll never get that time back... Or the time I've spent writing this comment to warn others!
La Flama Blanca that's exactly what I was thinking. it's a really long 30 seconds. nothing new here
Like most people who make videos, they have a secret desire to movie stars but never had the drive to relocate to Hollywood and try to get cast as an extra.
fragglerock689 what are you talking about? That's not true at all.
Lol that's quite a leap.
Like all you guys time is sooooo valuable. Give me a break.
It's not like anyone had to pay to see this video and you were all free to stop watching at any moment.
Poor things.
"remove algae in 30 seconds" twelve minutes later.... ugh. (TLDW: scrub algae off. pull it off the plants. dunk plant in 5% bleach solution, rinse, return to tank) THATS 30 seconds.
Thank you, just saved 12 minutes of my life ;)
My secret to watching instruction videos is to use the speed-up feature. What a godsend! It has saved me much time!
Best comment of the day
Thank you I was just about to loose it, this dude loves to talk 😂
Thank you :)
6:50 if you want to skip the rambling. By the by, you have to take the plant out of the tank for this method.
Thanks Tay h
Thanks, i was literally looking for this info. 😁
Thank you
Yo thanks boi
You’re the man
Re Algae. Have 2 Large aquariums. cleaning algae was a weekly task. However after installing a UV Steralizer for all incoming water to the aquariums, no more algae, never have to clean the aquariums or the viewing glass. Using less water for changes, Used to be 100,000 litres (26,000 Gallon) per year. Now no Algae and only use 3,000 litres (800 Gallon). The money saved on water pays for all the food and electricity to run both large aquariums and lets me enjoy the hobby. Water clear, Plants and fish healthy.
The UV Steralizer also works good on Marine water taken from the ocean as this is loaded with marine algae spore, without UV the incoming water only increases the algae problem.
Remember be it fresh water or marine you only need to use it on incoming water, Not on the aquarium system running full time as UV will also kill some of the good bacteria needed in your aquarium.
Just a note about Bleach, do your plant dipping outdoors as breathing fumes from bleach can permanently damage your lungs.
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thanks for this video, this is my biggest fear I have a lot in my aquarium, and pull it apart every week and replace brushing all my plants with a toothbrush. I now put electrical tape over parts of my finnex light just to cut down on the lumens. Red and black hair algae love my manzanita wood to. Aquascaping isn't easy.
Hi! i have read the solution and wanna make a correction, 20 ml into 980 ml makes a 2% solution, and 50 ml into 950 ml makes a 5% solution, just that, your aquarium is awesome, i wish mine looks also great!
Add CO2 and weekly water change (30-50%) and after that and PMDD nutrition, that is all the plants need to fight the algaes.
The algae likes fast changes in nutrition levels, and this schema will stabilise the nutrition levels (the water change will remove excess nutrients and adding new after will see to that there are at least as much so the plants get what they need).
Worked great for me.
There's a bit of confusing wordage here.
Household bleach (Clorox, for example) is already about 3% sodium hypochlorite, the active ingredient of concern. It varies somewhat from brand to brand, but it's on the label. What's confusing is the statement that you end up with a "2% solution" after mixing with water. It's actually far less than 2%. It would be more accurate to just state it as a ratio of bleach to water.
One other thing, I'd really suggest specifying basic bleach without whiteners or scents (unless you did and I missed it).
Finally, why not get a couple of plecos and let them have the feast of their little lives? Three of them made real short work (like overnight) of an outgrowth I had in my 25 gallon tank.
I thumbs down videos that ask me to like and subscribe before I've even watched the content
Not exactly a 30 second fix....
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VauganizerHD that was exactly what I was thinking!
VauganizerHD the whole process is not exactly 30 seconds. but the idea is there. you don't have to do a whole lot, it is a quick fix.
I agree there is nothing new here.
Vaug and there's none on the leaves my shit is outta control
OMG, I am so glad I dont have friends that never stop talking lol
lol my kids watch this 20 somthings on you tube that talk like him and make videos for kids they talk excited and raise there voice at time then go back to the other tone but its never normal it always excited and go go go
A so told 30 seconds solution explained in a 12 minutes 45 seconds video. This guy is really a babblerr. Lol...
Bilgin Ersözlü , he gives a lot of good info in his side bars.
Ditto, makes me want to feed him to fish instead!
Knew him for a shit talker from second 4 or 5 and just passed when I saw the 12-minute long vid.
Bilgin Ersözlü He has a fanbase dude, you arent the only one watching and most of us dont care if its longer than 30 seconds
that is that i'm thinking lol
Gotta love them Bleach dippin'! Awesome vid Mike!
Love this tank. Cardinals and rummies are a fav. Great job
Your Staurogyne Repens are crazy! Thx for the video!
leave those frowny algae faces that's looked like a cool Halloween theme lol 👻
Joshua Perry Climber that's what i was thinking too! or maybe even a ghost ship theme lol
Just like leaves ' change color' in the fall , when the chlorophyll is gone from the leaf the actual color of the leaf , the part of the spectrum it reflects (doesn't absorb) is seen. This is reflected color, the rest is of the spectrum passes through and from underside would look gray white , white light less the reddish brown that leaf reflected back up. Light is interesting .
good tip I never seen it done before definitely going to try that thanks
"Okay so actually nobody really says that."
Haha. Love it. 0:07
Great video! I have been dealing with a lot of algae lately after the loss of my pleco. But mine looks way different. It looks more like dirt all over my leaves but even if I scrub it with my hand it doesnt come off. Id love to see how you grow and propagate those S. Repens because they look amazing. I cant seem to get mine to carpet like that. Keep up the great work! Cant wait to start seeing more videos from you.
+Gabriel Q Thanks Gabriel! Yry the h2o2 method on those plants if yur not into the bleach. Im actually kinda making a video about how to do carpetting plants and ill talk about the s repens for ya :)
Thank you that would be perfect. I'll look into the H2O2 thing. A lot of the plants have deep roots now. I'd be afraid of pulling them out.
Have you considered potassium permanganate? No need to remove plants or animals. We had to do a little math to figure out how much to use in a smaller gold fish pond but it worked really well for us. You just have to ignore the purple water until the algae and chemical dissipate.
I just found your channel. Great tip. I've subscribed and look forward to seeing more of your content.
Thanks for the video, Bro! It is very informative
Thanks man, my whole aquarium was over run by hair algae after I brought in some moss balls, I took EVERYTHING Out dipped it and now my tank is as clear as the day I set it up. People be hating on the length, I prefer the extra insight you provide. Good stuff, keep it up.
If you're watching the algae from top (and the light source is above), you see reflected light. If you're watching from underneath, you see refracted light (a certain amount passes thru the algae). I think this might cause the difference. Maybe it's a polarization effect too. Anyway, thanks for the tip - I just threw away some anubias that were infested. Next water cycle of my tank I'm going to dip everything with that method. Thank you!
This seems likely
I poured excel directly onto some stringy algae and it did the same thing! Great stuff
Awesome video! Very cool! Thank you. My question is, I have BBA on my driftwood that is directly in the main water flow. I have tried everything and it just won't DIE! It is now starting to show up my anubias and rocks on the other side of the tank. I would love to try this, but it is anchored underneath the substrate and is impossible to remove. Do you have any suggestions?
I only clean the algae from my glass, everything else i tend to leave. I like the natural look and i have critters that like to feed on it, so i leave it for them to maintain.
I've always been scared to do bleach dips. I've done blackouts, 50/50 water changes every two days, and hydrogen peroxide in moderation with success. I'll try this when my tank gets out of control next time. Thank for sharing.
+Lars Taylor Thanks for tunin in Lars!
This was so useful
Great Video! Quick question: What are you using to hold the tube to the tank while you do the water change?
Somtimes you can buy them with clips. Mine came with one
Kevin S. Brackett ... Try a large bulldog clip. They can be bought at the place where you get your stationary. Failing that, a fish store!.
If you are going to allow your fish to eat this I would highly recommend that you add some citric acid or better yet sodium citrate to the water rinse to neutralize the chlorine. Some more sensitive fish may not take well to the chlorine.
thank you everyone in the comments. I thought the video was literally going to be 30 seconds. jesus christ.
is Lord
I bleach my pumps, never did it to plants, thanks for teaching me something new!
Loved your video! Very informative and side note here , if I was a fish I’d want to be in this cool aquarium with it’s awesome surroundings😃😄😁
for most algae you can easily remove it with a toothbrush it comes of nicely with no remains! (you could also use sucker fish!)
I use toothbrush it didn't work
Thank you commenters for saving me from this ❤️❤️
thank you so much! i also have a tank thats been overrun by algae (thanks to moss balls) and have been struggling with algae growth for a year because ive been scared to try. i keep buying all new stuff but i think it might be spreading from the pump?! scrubbing just cant defeat the moss ball algae and im so grateful to have found this tutorial!
Thanks 🙂 fun to watch!
Great video, and unbelievable timing! I'm having that problem right now! :-( Gonna dip this weekend. Thanks again man! Wow, really, thanks.
I only use bleach dips for equipment and non-living decorations. I use peroxide for any algae on plants.
wow great video man some crystal shrimp would look awesome in your tank & enjoy munching on the algae!! Thumbs up & subbed!!
The pump is not going to die if we dip more than 30seconds.. lol.
This is new knowledge for me. Thank you buddy!
The red on top and light grey on bttm might have to do with the light. Plants do like that red spectrum. bttm of the algae isn't absorbing any light. Just a guess.
+brad e That was my thought as well but then i thought what about when you look at a plant leaf from the bottom? Its still green, soooo uhhhhh ya im still trying to come up with an answer lol. Thanks for watchin !!!
very true.
+brad e Ya its super bizare, it mush have to do something with the chlorophyll though
the bleach destroys the chlorophyll, which no longer absorbs the red light, and leaves more stable pigment as the dominant molecule(can't remember the name of it) which absorbs the green and blue light, leaving the algae looking red. I think the algae appearing white is probably just a matter of light refraction and angles. A bit of an illusion, I guess, light is a complicated, fascinating thing!
Curious if you'll find a most precise/scientific explanation!
Too Much Blabber for Too long....sorry..
great videos! I have brown algae (diatom) build up on my java fern and anubias. I can't rub it off its on so thick. does this dip work for my issue as well?
Hey Mike, was wondering if it would be OK to clean my aquarium wood the same way? Thanks.
use hydrogen peroxide its safer and neutralizes itself, you can actually add it to or do it in the tank
How would that work?
No kidding, that will work
I have heard that hydrogen peroxide is great as well.
VIDEOHEREBOB I stopped using peroxide when I found out it can cause algae blooms hydrogen peroxide also gets rid of the good bacteria that fights your algae
Ah, I see. Thank you.
Well, the bleach will also kill all bacteria, as H202 will. So no difference there. It basically works in the same way.
And to fight algae, you need stable levels of light and nutritions. Algae spores are in a healthy aquarium, so no way of getting rid of them. But different species of algae like different conditions. So when they occurs, the algae will start growing fast, and outgrow the plants.
I believe pretty much all the good bacteria is in the filter media. If you keep any bacteria killing substances away from that then everything should be fine.
All good bacteria are all over. But yes, most concentration are probably in the filter.
great video.
+MasterAquatics Thanks!
Oh wow that's amazing!
The frowny faces were super creepy the way the extra, hang on algae was swaying in the current.
+Theregoesfame Soooo creeepy!!!!
I use 3% or 6% peroxide, works fine too. Also a little less expensive and more environmental friendly ;)
chapo148 What kind of peroxide
@@55moochie h202
What are you using for your carpet plant in the middle? And what plant is that in the far left back? Is it standing up on its own or anchored over a rock or driftwood?
Very good videos and explanations but this technique works for all types of algae?
It's funny how this video is this long and you said "real quick"so many times lol
Great video! Would like to add that I don't think all plants will benefit from this...I find that frilly types are more delicate and sensitive.
I think in a way he hits that it doesn't work for all of the plants, but thanks for describing more of it and going into different types a bit more it helps for some people who don't know alot about aquarium plants
1st Aid hydrogen peroxide spray bottles (from the dollar store) work well on delicate plants: val, mosses. Spray, wait 30sec, rinse and plant. It can take repeated attempts but it’s better than dead plants.
What lighting are you using to grow those plants so well?
I am 4 days into my cycle ( planted ) 125L. I have a small amount diatoms on my crtyo and annubis. Also a light dusting on my glass. Would you recommend leaving it to go through its cycle or do a say 50% water change? I don't really want to do a water change as I know it will affect its cycle. Also the water is slightly cloudy. This is my first large planted aquarium so any helpful comments I would appreciate many thanks
hi mike, that was a very responsible demonstration on the use of bleach. i used to use bleach but now i keep twig catfish for algae control. they keep algae levels to a minimum plus they're cool to watch.
+michael a el natural, Im always down for that! Thanks for watching!
Man after reading all these comments you may just want to turn the comment section off. Too many haters and immature losers have something to negative to say, when you're just simply trying to help people out. Thanks for the video brother and keep it up.
Your mother should have had an abortion
What kind of plant is the ground cover in the middle? It looks amazing!
I am French, and I love your aquarium.Could you tell me what and the name of the stones you use to hang them and or buy them please
Thank
After you suggested to dilute bleach on your plants, I was done listening to you.
I wouldn't ever do this either.
Thanks for the video, and information. Except for the algae, I liked the tank before you trimmed it out. And a big thank you for the idea of putting a water bottle onto the gravel vacuum. Just bought a new one (online) that was way too narrow to work. I'll have to give it a try. You seem to have a lot of very immature viewers with foolish comments. I commend you for putting up with it.
Carolin Brown ... It seems like you think you know everything! I made my own gravel vacuum with a regular 1/2" hose and an empty hand cream bottle. and a bit of gaffa tape. Works like a dream and virtually FREE.
Now tell me, is that an immature comment or what??? People have to start somewhere with keeping fish...
Hello Mike ,nice tank ,if you don't mind could you tell me what light is that on this tank ?
awesome advice
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3% hydrogen peroxide, I draw water down and spray it directly on plants, rocks, and wood if necessary. Doesn't faze fish at all.
+Bill Snyder H2O2 is a great method, used it more than bleach dips overall. Thanks for sharing!
can you make a video so we can see how works?
How much H202 do you use to how much water?
Amy Anne Hello, I use straight out of bottle at ( 3% )
ok ty
Well done. Good video!
It works for rocks too, I left it over night and just rinse the rocks well in the morning and your good. Been doing that over a year and I have turtles and they've been doing well
I had a good laugh about this. For years I've been told to not use bleach. I've used bleach for over 5 decades with my aquariums. I use round glass stones for the bottom instead of gravel. This makes it so much easier to clean. I wash my entire tank out with bleach. Rinse several times then add my water and chemicals. Though I have given up on real plants. My newest problem is not algae on the walls or items in the tank. But the water is loaded with algae. I have never had this in all the years of having an aquarium or a fish pond. I was hoping your video would help me out. Oh well for me. Great video anyway.
Same here and never have had a problem with anything..
It's an algae bloom.. keep up with water changes very regularly..not too much and it'll eventually go..if not Google it and I'm sure there's another way but it's not harmful as far as I know so wouldn't worry about it too much. But I think Google it for better info on it..good luck..
@Dean Fraser the algae with take the oxygen from the water. A little is ok for the fish that eat it. But too much can cause other problems.
Good video! But I was REALLY hoping you had a brand new 'miracle' cure I'd never heard of before. Ah well, such is life. I went for so many years without ever having any noticeable algae issues but that's over, it seems. Two tanks of mine now persistently grow 2-3 types of algae, probably due to lighting issues I am not able to remedy at this time.
I agree that dipping can be a very useful technique, but it is NOT safe for all plants. Some species do not tolerate it. An older well-rooted specimen may tolerate it where a new shoot of the same species might not. The type of algae makes a difference too. As you showed, some types come off easily but some stick like ticks. Some of the latter even leave wounds on plants.
These days, before I dip something I haven't tried to dip before, I remove a leaf or two and test dip first, to see how it will respond. Some things tolerate short dips but won't survive longer ones. Some won't tolerate dipping at all. I use whatever natural control measures that are possible. These include manipulating the lighting intensity and duration and algae eaters, such as Nerite and even Mystery snails where they suit; also Otocinclus catfish where possible, but with them, you really want the algae to grow so they have proper food to eat, so Otos are better for maintaining a balance than as a removal crew. But even algae eaters won't eat every type of the stuff. They generally seem to prefer softer, looser algae types.
So far, I've learned about a few plants that can't be dipped. For example, I grow many Hygros; some very common, one or two rarities. As yet, no Hygro has survived a dip, no matter how brief or weak, nor have any of the Cryptocoryne species I've tried, as well as Valisnerias and 'Giant pellia' ( Monoselenium tenerum ). I have found the odd plant where the green growth is killed but the roots survive, growing a new plant with time.
I had a gorgeous, very large Hygro pinnatifida that was outgrowing a 30G tank. It was going up for sale until I discovered most of it had patches of black brush algae all through. Within 24 hours of a 20-second dip (very weak bleach ), the entire mass of this lovely plant vanished, excepting for a bit of sludge here and there.
For undippable plants, l clear by hand for the algaes that come off clean like thread alga does. With the fuzzy, felt-like type that locks whatever it touches into a solid mess, I remove everything en masse.
Another tank of mine has been growing an alga I've never seen before since I set it up a few weeks back. It's a blackish green colour, but looks nothing like black brush algae. Rather, it looks like heavy cotton thread floating among the leaves. A chunk of this stuff feels exactly like wet cotton thread, but while it's easy to pull off long pieces, the ends are very firmly attached to the leaves. I believe the lights are too close to the surface, but at this time I have no way to raise them, so I keep a close eye on things.
Now I tend to just remove algae infested plants unless it happens to be something I can't easily replace, in which case I'll clean off as much of the algae as possible and try to grow cuttings in a separate tank, hoping for some clean new growth.
Anubias and Echinodorus ( swords) seem to tolerate dipping well, but some algae appear to cause permanent damage where they were attached. At best it's unsightly, at worst it may kill the leaf in time. Black brush algae left some big Anubias leaves with edges that looked very moth-eaten after dipping.
Karen J Gray that’s a lotta damage
Two more questions for you what is the low ground cover plant in the front right corner that looks like little stars almost not the s.repens and my other question is I'm connecting my first injected CO2 but I hate microbubbles so what is the best type of reactor in your opinion to keep all microbubbles out of the water column
What substrate are you using and what do you think the best substrate is with the exception of dirt
5% of 1 litre is not 20mls.... what you have made is a 2% solution, my friend.
I fixed with annotations- only shows on desktop :( embarrassing mistake
No need to be embarrassed, when I heard you say it I was questioning my own cognitive abilities...
N dotC Haha well thanks, still, when I caught that mistake my mind was blown :(
Thanks for sharing. Did a water adjustment to fill the tank and algae grew within a week. I think my tap water caused the issue because the tank was clean before then.
Household bleach is a 5-6% solution already. This means that it is 5000-6000mg/L. 20ml of 5% bleach into 1 liter of water is a 300mg/L solution of bleach. Please use your math. Putting a plant into a 2% or even 5% solution of bleach would be bad!
Fast forward to 10 seconds from the end..
I have used this method before especially for anubias and I dipped in 2% solution for 1-2 minutes. Plants were fine and all algae just turned white and I removed them with finger. I treated mainly beard algae and spot algae on leaves :)
looks helpful
This guy talks a lot but doesn't really say much.
Too long didn't watch: Dip the plant in an bleach solution for 30 seconds.
Very handy video! I've seen this same reddening effect when dosing Excel straight onto some types of algae: 2mls from a syringe with filter off for fifteen minutes. I've also used peroxide to great effect on green beard algae (cladophora, I think). Again, 2mls from a syringe injected into the mass. Wiped it out. The problem I have now is with two kinds of algae: green fuzz attacking my stem plants, and block spot algae on my e. tenellus. I could probably pull the stems for a bleach dip, but the tenellus has extensive roots and is all connected by runners. Suggestions?
+Anthony Ragan H2O2 is worth a shot! Fill up a spray bottle and spray it under or above water by draining the tank down if you can.
I have algae I'm going to try this. Thanks. 🐟🌿🙏👍😊
who drop his hair into the tank ?
Wow, just got done reading all the comments. Alot of Aquarium people are harsh asshats. I mean I understand, it's not like you can just click off. Oh wait, that's exactly what you can do.
mike anthoney people still need to be informed to the problems that bleach can cause to your animals and plants. It will damage the ecosystem and the chemicals if not properly washed off or even if it is will still harm the fish/invertebrates. I understand some people can be harsh but this is very dangerous to endorse. Speaking in the sense of the animals and people that will be sad to see their developed tanks be damaged.
Hi! How do you keep ure tank crystal clear? Do do take out an amount of water every 3 day and fill the tank with new water? I don’t do like that with my tank and I got a lot of algae , could that be the consequence with it?? Answer as fastest as u can pleas!
Do you plant your ferns in the substrate? Mine don’t do well that way I’ve read they should be attached to something
interesting how a video almost 13 minutes long to tells me how to get rid of algae in 30 seconds and in the end I still see algae. ;-)
Dead algae...
Watched the first 2 mins. Had nothing to do with the getting rid of algea. Sorry not wasting 15 mins of my day to listen to you talk about nonsense.
After the chemical prosess did u clean algae with pysical?
great video!! Do you have any videos about how to get rid of snails?
Click bait!
how
If only I enjoyed your voice as much as you do...… my ears started bleeding before you got to the actually topic. What ever that was , I've forgotten...
whattpe of substrate do you use in this tank and what type light are you using iv just bought 50ltrs of organic potting soil my plan is to put some in my 250ltr tank about 3cms and cap with 5cm of small gravel I'm going to bury clay and tetra root tabs in he soil iv ordered a 42" 40 watt power glo t8 bulb and starter I did wanna get an aquasky led but ill get that some ther time my tanks 4 foot long 2high do you think thatll work to grow low to med level plants its oney one t but its 18,000k n high lumens has lots of blue high green n a decent amount of red iv heard blue is great to penetrate deep tanks
what kind of lighting would you recommend for plants. my plants all died
is this how to kill alegae or how to kill you fish
Cant it be both?
@@BiteMyShinyMetal4ss oooooooooooooooooooooo
Or you can just get a siamese algae eater if its compatible with the stock. Lol
Well, the don't eat all kinds of algae, and they grow large. But yes, they are good and fine algae pest controllers. I like a 5-8 of them. But you should consider they get large when they grow.
Shrimps are also god algae pest controllers.
They do get lazy lol have a bunch of them and most of the time they sit on a leaf and do not move. When they were younger they were all over the place but now, just lazy ass fish ;) still like them though ;)
Very informative but judging from the comments here I suggest you focus your videos. This could've easily been split into 4 other segments (at least) each of which would've more views, more thumbs up, and a lot less thumbs down. Good friendly voice and appealing character, and lots of knowledge on the topic, and I like how you're learning hands-on which inspires your viewing public...so there's definitely potential to go viral. But hey, if you're happy the way things are, which isn't bad at all then carry on.
"go ahead" "I am going to go ahead" "Let's go ahead"
"30 seconds" to get more views
Nice 4 hour 10 minutes and 30 second solution scape tank with a blade before it gets that bad that's 30 seconds
I heard that frequent water changes help. I was listening to an award winning aquascapist and he has a massive planted tank. He said he does a 25% Water change 3 times a week and never had a problem with algae.
I also agree with the method in the video. I found a plant quarantining fact sheet mentioning bleach method. It says that a lot of people quarantine there fish and coral but forget to quarantine their water plants.
I clean mine once a week 50% water change as its a large tank and i clean filters on a different day and never had a problem
Do you rinse it off in tank water or tap water? I'm worried about getting all the bleach off.