I’ve listened to your music and have been a fan for many many years from Rephlex days. It’s really cool to finally see your music production processes!
Beautiful. It reminded me of the 3cd set, “OHM: The Early Gurus of Electronic Music,” possibly where I first heard Lucier (and many others) which I hadn’t thought of in maybe 15+ years. Hearing the old techniques explained anew with updated technology feels like witnessing the proverbial torch being passed between generations. Thank you for sharing! ⚡✨💖✨⚡
hey it's great to see you on youtube! and i love the concept for this video. i made something similar but more basic in M4L, it's not intended for repeat resampling and lacks a lot of the more sophisticated features of your SC patch. it's for resampling stereo samples through mono effects like pedals, it sends L and R out separately (or mid and side). then it combines them back into a stereo file that you can save to the disk. i really wish M4L let you drag samples out of a device onto the timeline as well, that would be so useful.
I've done a less sophisticated version using Looper + Insert. Follow the instructions at section 24.27.1 Feedback Routing in the ableton manual. "Looper’s output will now be routed through the other track’s device chain and then back into itself, creating increasingly processed overdub layers with each pass." Easy way to rig up a disintegration loops style decaying loop.
The Disintegration Loops was the initial inspiration for my patch, funnily enough. Thanks for the tip. I haven't done looping like that since the mid nineties, using two hardware samplers to bounce between each other! For anyone interested, the Live manual page with this section can be found at www.ableton.com/en/manual/live-audio-effect-reference/
Have you been using the Alvin Lucier style application in your music since the 90s? How different was the process compared to today? Thanks for the lovely uploads.
I started on the patch six years ago and have mainly been using it to make multiple recordings of spring reverbs and combine them as seen in the video. You're welcome 👍
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they made a whole video about all the possible uses for this and even give one possible answer to your question in the first few minutes with the option to physically manipulate the springs while recording. but to answer differently: convolution can reproduce better conventional drippy spring reverbs than any other digital tech i’ve heard, but is incapable of the non-linearities that will accumulate over multiple passes thru the same spring driver + recovery amplifier circuits, on top of any weirdness from the spring existing in real space. like how modern guitar amp modelers typically have some kind of algorithmic pre+power amp modeling that can handle reproducing all the DIRT that’s central to guitar, and IR-based cabinet simulation. but even there-IR cabs sound perfect used as intended, but if you were to put a sound through the same IR 20 times, it’s not going to be able to factor in the chaos of physical reality as those characteristics of the cone+ cabinet + room + mic getting multiplied rather than digitally convolution based on a single snapshot copy-pasted. or even a bunch of separately recorded IRs of the same setup.
I’ve listened to your music and have been a fan for many many years from Rephlex days. It’s really cool to finally see your music production processes!
me too🎉
really brilliant exploration of technical process as compositional technique. will be sharing this with my students!
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heya!! jesus its been about 30 years since i hung out with you n rich... great to cop some tronic wisdom from you again all these years later....
Nice when the mighty algo recommends something I actually find interesting! Heard of Cylob before but hadn't seen this channel. Instant sub, cheers.
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Alvin did this in a heavily carpeted room, the walls were carpeted. I could only do 2 passes until it was unusable in my normal room.
7:22 once again, the simplest thing but also sneaky as eff. thanks for making the effort to share all this!!
All the Lego blocks have already been invented, but not all the things you can make with them! 🙂
@@cylobsonicresearch Amen to that.
Beautiful. It reminded me of the 3cd set, “OHM: The Early Gurus of Electronic Music,” possibly where I first heard Lucier (and many others) which I hadn’t thought of in maybe 15+ years. Hearing the old techniques explained anew with updated technology feels like witnessing the proverbial torch being passed between generations. Thank you for sharing!
⚡✨💖✨⚡
hey it's great to see you on youtube! and i love the concept for this video. i made something similar but more basic in M4L, it's not intended for repeat resampling and lacks a lot of the more sophisticated features of your SC patch. it's for resampling stereo samples through mono effects like pedals, it sends L and R out separately (or mid and side). then it combines them back into a stereo file that you can save to the disk. i really wish M4L let you drag samples out of a device onto the timeline as well, that would be so useful.
And stereo combining is missing in my patch.. every implementation has its strengths.
Big up the don dada Alvin Lucier!
LOVE
it's super liked
wow i just asked myself this exact question a few days ago and now i get this recommended to me higher forces are listening!!
I've done a less sophisticated version using Looper + Insert.
Follow the instructions at section 24.27.1 Feedback Routing in the ableton manual. "Looper’s output will now be routed through the other track’s device chain and then back into itself, creating increasingly processed overdub layers with each pass."
Easy way to rig up a disintegration loops style decaying loop.
The Disintegration Loops was the initial inspiration for my patch, funnily enough. Thanks for the tip. I haven't done looping like that since the mid nineties, using two hardware samplers to bounce between each other! For anyone interested, the Live manual page with this section can be found at www.ableton.com/en/manual/live-audio-effect-reference/
This is wild sounding. Very cool process, makes me want to learn SuperCollider!
You too can become one of the people who say, "I used to be a musician, but now I'm a programmer 🙁" 😅
Have you been using the Alvin Lucier style application in your music since the 90s? How different was the process compared to today?
Thanks for the lovely uploads.
I started on the patch six years ago and have mainly been using it to make multiple recordings of spring reverbs and combine them as seen in the video. You're welcome 👍
brilliant
What a sophisticated way to make a incoherent muffled mush of a sound 👏🏼
Agreed! 😅 Next time I'll just make a recording through a closed door.
🫠 amazing work woww
this is everything
Sick. Never tried this
Just so you know, if you put 10 instances of the same reverb on a track, you’ll get the same result way faster
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Chris, it would be great if you posted videos of your walks, like you did a long time ago.
I think I may have invented this idea in 1975... wait, that other guy did it in 1969. Damn!
Wowsers!
Would you share the supercollider file? :)
That would be wonderful!
niceeeee
what about taking an impulse response of the spring reverb and putting 6 convolvers onto your track?
they made a whole video about all the possible uses for this and even give one possible answer to your question in the first few minutes with the option to physically manipulate the springs while recording. but to answer differently: convolution can reproduce better conventional drippy spring reverbs than any other digital tech i’ve heard, but is incapable of the non-linearities that will accumulate over multiple passes thru the same spring driver + recovery amplifier circuits, on top of any weirdness from the spring existing in real space. like how modern guitar amp modelers typically have some kind of algorithmic pre+power amp modeling that can handle reproducing all the DIRT that’s central to guitar, and IR-based cabinet simulation. but even there-IR cabs sound perfect used as intended, but if you were to put a sound through the same IR 20 times, it’s not going to be able to factor in the chaos of physical reality as those characteristics of the cone+ cabinet + room + mic getting multiplied rather than digitally convolution based on a single snapshot copy-pasted. or even a bunch of separately recorded IRs of the same setup.
@TomFinsterMusic Let's find out... ruclips.net/video/d5LuxtsggnU/видео.html
@@cylobsonicresearch was it always the exact same IR or six different ones? It def feels much less dynamic with one already.
@@TomFinsterMusic the same IR in all instances.
is this open source or available for purchase anywhere?
Hmm wonder what would happen if you played the resonances back in the room they were extracted from... sorry neighbors.
Hello cylob, will you be releasing a new album or EP??
At some point I guess 🙂
@@cylobsonicresearch yay I'm excited 😁
this is nearly as good as your Absynth patches
Thanks, I guess?! 🤔😅
the og files for those are down. anyone care to share?
Your voice reminds me of Boc from Elden Ring lol
Yes it is possible with certain gear
Dude lol