Exclusive: British steel industry leaders do not require coal from proposed Cumbria mine
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- The government is set to decide soon whether a new coal mine in Cumbria should go ahead.
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As politicians argue over the controversial proposal, very little has been heard from the industry that is supposed to benefit from it.
Leading figures in the British steel industry have told this programme that they do not require its coal.
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It is a pity that this report does not mention that it is possible there is a connection between the proposed mine and the government's desire to find a repository for Nuclear Waste. The fact that the CEO of West Cumbrian Mining is also employed by a Government Quango looking for a site to bury Nuclear Waste is not a coincidence.
Steel making like anything else is a numbers game. It’s costs of extraction from a deep mine in the UK versus overseas extraction costs. The CO2 emissions will kill the project,the reality is the world has moved on.
The West just do not appreciate the negative externality cost China pays for being the manufacturer of the world. Nearly all their underground water is polluted with heavy metals. They make it sounds like they are the one losing by importing. The truth is if you start producing everything locally, your country will turn into a putrid polluted cesspit. It's basically impossible to store or remove pollutants cheaply. Plus the act moving raw material and finish products back and forth in such a small area is insanely polluting and will cause traffic nightmare. Plus UK just doesn't have the cheap labour to be a manufacturer. It is an ageing country with a failing economy that runs on debt. The only way this country can survive and maintain its living standard is by massive population decline like Japan. The West eff up. Their prosperity is just smoke and mirrors and inflated value of services and finance.
The UK cannot rely on gas powered stations to power all the proposed electric vehicles. Coal powered stations are a good alternative. The planet cannot be saved by introducing electric vehicles. Marine and aviation produce 100x more pollution than anything else on earth..
coal not dole
“Ahh it rhymes, therefore it works. That’s my thinking for the day done.”
Love that coal. Best thing ever
It’s true these steel companies don’t want to buy overpriced coal mined in U.K., after all its cheaper from other places. After all giving people lots of jobs doesn’t come free, especially in the U.K.
If they think that a company with no customers should start up just for the sake of jobs, lets at least make it a business that does something fun, like making bouncy castles or space ships.
Absolutely balmy if this happens. Even if we ignore the environmental impact, there's a clear economic incentive to invest in renewable energy over coal. There just simply won't be a market for it when (if) it's built
Ah yes because renewable energy is completely going to take over in the next 20-30 years. Don’t be so daft, there simply isn’t the infrastructure right now. The massive economic growth this will bring to a struggling town in the north would be massive.
Here's the figures such an Eco Nazi as yourself is DENYING! (thank you for falling into into my trap). The UK use to have a 34% Generating Capacity Reserve, We now have a 7% Generating Capacity Reserve, Safety Cut Outs To Protect The Distribution Network CUT IN AT 5%. THAT MEANS THE UK ACTUALLY ONLY HAS A REAL RESERVE OF 2%. THAT'S 34% DOWN TO 2%! IT'S THAT SERIOUS!!
@@andrewroberts6344 we're already experiencing an exponential growth curve in renewables; India are adding another 20GW of wind capacity this year alone, Californa produced 99.5% of its energy through renewables in April & Italy & Spain are at 40%. Grid capacity & storage solutions are also being massivly improved. Look, my profile picture is of a steam train ffs & I can see the very clear & obvious trends. You just need to look beyond the Mail & the Express. Technology has & is moving on, rapidly.
@@MattyP62618 and Scotland is the windiest place in Europe with 2 thousand miles of deep water coast.
renewables the biggest con is our time. the energy and pollution to build wind and solar will never be recovered . wind mills only last a few years and don't recover the co2 used to make them and solar panel life is far less. Like electric cars use vastly more energy and pollution than a petrol and diesel car and will never break even in the pollution and energy used to make them.
They want jobs but I think they just want more development in general rathan a coal mine.
Gotta love investing in everything but the stuff people need
There is an export market for this coal, always has been.
Get out of the ground and turn it into GAS like we use to do
Great reporting C4.
If they want jobs in Whitehaven they should be investing in clean energy projects which have a future, not technology from the 1700s that is literally killing the planet.
Bravo Ch4News, such an important piece of reporting, thank you👏
Chanel 4 needs to talk about Ecosia they are a search engine that plants tress
I use that engine too
Thats good move instead of paying someone else for coal finnaly we can dig our own coal this will create a lot of jobs hopefulky we will see more mines open soon
Most of the world is trying to ditch the reliance on fossil fuels, but you want the country to waste money digging for coal just so someone without an imagination or drive can get a job, only for it to be shut down in a few years because nobody wants to buy it, even in this vid the steel industry said it's a waste of time as nobody wants or needs it.
It depends on how much money they donate to the Tory party.
I'm truly amazed that this project is still being pursued, there is no market in the UK for the coal and thanks to CBAM the EU is right on the cusp of quickly ramping up ETS, which will incentivize EU steelmakers to move to lower carbon production methods. If as is looking likely, the USA adopts CBAM too, the entire global steel industry will be forced to move more quickly away from coal. If the mine does ever open it likely won't last more than a decade and no doubt the taxpayer will be left to clear up the mess. No way it will last until 2050.
This green revolution is too hard it needs to be phased in over years.
What do they have against exporting coal if the steel mills don't need it? Give the locals good jobs..
The world needs to stop using coal. Other existing mines already produce too much coal and they need to be shut down. Opening a new one only makes sense if it is needed locally because it reduces the carbon footprint of transporting coal long distances. This report shows that there is very little market for it in the UK and the company admits that. It would cost a lot to build the mine. That money would be better spent on building something that would have a positive impact rather than a negative one.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 Producing jobs is a negative impact? You really believe that?
Have you heard about carbon dioxide produced from fossil fuels being an issue?
@@Neilhuny Do you walk everywhere and use zero fossil fuels? If you answered no, you are being a hypocrite for denying these people good jobs.
@@Neilhuny it's only an issue to the climate scientists on the UN payroll that havnt been de- platformed, cancelled and silenced.
Thank you channel 4. Living on earth is more important than jobs.
It may not replace Russian coal in UK but it will replace it somewhere or at least make the market more competetive
@Edward Elizabeth Hitler it's still usable lol they even in the video said it will be shipped where u think it's getting shipped to bottom of the ocean? I'm not saying it's gonna upend Russian entire industry but if more countries start producing coal n gas it's going to effect Russia business. Hence Russia donating to American green parties lol going greens the best thing that ever happened to russia
This kind of honest reporting is the reason the government wants channel 4 shut down.
This is as much about digging a deep pit to bury waste as it is about getting coal.
Still will need coal for baseload power for when the WIND DOESN'T BLOW AND THE SUN DOESN'T SHINE..and until the new nuclear power plants the operating... the days of cheap coal and gas from Russia are over so the UK has to be self sufficient in the future!!!.🤔💕🇬🇧
get it dug up and used . jobs and our fuel should be used
If something doesn’t make any sense and yet seems unstoppable - follow the money.
Who will profit from the mine. What favors will be repaid or asked?
Doesnt matter what the British steel industry bleats, most of the coal is for export. Why are jobs and profits frowned upon by these nutters.
Export to where? there won't be a market for it.
@@enemyofthestatewearein7945 The export market has already been established.
@@tendrosstoodross2976 Good luck with that, when the EU introduces CBAM in less than two years time. The export market will be dead before this mine opens.
@@enemyofthestatewearein7945 It was never intended for the EU anyway.
Find other ways of rebuilding the local economy, no to local fossil fuels
You want Russian energy
So you don't use fossil fuels?
Well said
97% of Scotlands electricity is from renewables.
Replicate the old Solway viaduct railway but with sub-sea electricity interconnector & distribution centre in Annan for example.
That was pretty conclusive.
Then build a green industry in Whitehaven.
Still makes jobs and money for cumbria
They'll be on strike most of the time so don't worry about it
I TRULY HOPE SO! THE UK NEEDS THAT COAL TO FILL AN ENERGY DEFICIT WHICH HAS RESULTED IN COAL PRODUCTION REDUCING, AND CONVENTIONAL POWER STATIONS CLOSING DOWN. THE UK IS IN A PERILOUS POSITION WHICH IT NEEDS TO REVERSE OR WE'LL FACE A TEXAS STYLE NETWORK DISTRIBUTION FAILURE. IT SERIOUSLY IS THAT BAD FOLKS!! :((
Your understanding of our energy infrastructure is amazing, clearly. We haven’t lost “conventional” power station from lack of coal, we’ve closed them because we don’t need them, nor want them.
Your inference to wider issues and the unregulated Texan infrastructure of all things shows you know literally nothing about the UK energy sector and infrastructure, you’ve just made that up as you went along… please, go read a book, you’re not as smart as you think you are.
The irony is fossil fuels are green energy.
This is too mental. They honestly want to send us back to the Victorian era.
When we were a superpower? What's wrong with that?
No, environmentalists want to send us back there with their anti-fossil fuel rhetoric.
Coal is what brought about the industrial revolution and the comfortable lifestyle we have today.
Coal should never be the way. We had the pain of shutting down the mines, we should start opening them up now. A hand full of jobs, the government must fine other jobs. Didn't they call it leaving up. Try put a mine on the south cost, see what happens, it would never happen.
Mad
Investing in coal mining is a waste of $. Coal is inefficient and does not contribute to wider economic activity or development.
Coal is always good investment this will create new jobs and we will not pay russia or others
@@adrianczaplinski7774 it’s a dying industry, look at the mining sector in the US, especially in historically strong hotspots like West Virginia where support for coal was overwhelmingly but still failed.
Is everyone aware that the boss of West Cumbria Mining is advising the government on the possible Geological Disposal Facility for nuclear waste storage overlapping the same area as the proposed coal mine? Coincidence? I think not! I wonder why this hasn't been mentioned in this report? Talk about bringing a nuclear dump in through the back door!
So what? Makes sense to bury the waste there once the mine is finished.
Only third world countries have underground mining. It is a very dangerous job, and no worker in Europe would apply . The most economic coal mines are open cut.
USA a third world country eh?
youre a idiot
When energy prices go through the roof, when unemployment in specific areas are high, when the country may fall behind if something isn't done, for people to use the climate change argument is frankly ridiculous, it is important however you can't treat it as a sacred text and must also look at the needs of people as well.
There are 3 coal power stations left in the UK and 2 are closing in September, the third in 2 years. This mine will take years to build.
So what exactly are you talking about? As this mine will address *none* of the current problems and only create another one, a *climate* problem…?
There are jobs in the green energy industry too.
But the fossil fuel lobby has more money.
Honestly, listen to the report, we don't need these coal mines. There are alternatives that don't endanger our children's futures. But sadly, this govt listens to whoever has the most cash.
@@Farzocalypse21 Another typical middle class idiot telling impoverished and disenfranchised working class people to stay on benefits or zero hour contracts whilst big business continues to import what we can no longer produce ourselves!
@@Farzocalypse21 _"Endangering our childrens futures"_
Get a grip you big wet flannel. Poverty and unemployment are a bigger danger than sourcing our own coal.
Ultimately, the ecomaniacs and the government should but out, and the local area should decide.
As a west Cumbrian I can honestly say I dont know one single person who is against this mine.
@@tendrosstoodross2976 Good to hear buddy.
@@simonharrison1874 There is an environmental activist kicking up a bit of a stink but she is an outsider who has moved into the area, not a west Cumbrian.
@@tendrosstoodross2976 marian birkby, lives in lancashire and never shuts up about sellafield and now mining and her arguments are ridiculous about mining 6 miles from sellafield , there were loads of mines near sellafield when it was built with no problems
@@leescott1775 I'm expecting that odious Thunberg character turning up in west Cumbria at some point.
This not just Bull S, it's virtue signalling Green S!
This country needs security of supply, hydrogen fueled steel making is decades away.
Grow up and act like pragmatic adults FFS
The the British wants to mine coal from their ocean floor meanwhile we Indians are scooping up cheap Russian coal paying in Indian rupees.
Scandalous, keep the carbon in the ground and invest in Green tech and sustainable jobs and industry.
How long do you think that will take ?
FFS!!!
Having watched it I have immense sympathy for the people of Whitehaven and area. But the answer must be in alternative industries to coal and steel - it seems a great site for tide generation and wind generation? Maybe as long term energy storage such as mineshaft weights.
The *government* must support communities like this with investment
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There is a use for it. Tons of steamy choo choos operate in Britain.
The heritage railway industry is already investigating alternative fuels - steam engines can run on oil, wood, eco-coal, or LNG.
@@roderickjoyce6716 none of its any good in the locos that exist. The fireboxes are designed to work on coal. Perhaps future overhauls will see locos modified
opening a coal mine wont open more shops. opening shops wil
How can you open a shop with no customers in an area or have customers with no money? This coal mine will bring people to a certain area and give them a viable income which will be spent on shops which improve local business.
@@rossthomson1958 but why would a coal mine get shops opening and nice theory but you are wrong iv lived here 10month there is loads of work LOADS of job openings and loads of self employed work. i am failing to see how this opens shops
@@housecoat7843 for example a steel plant hires 10,000 people some of these people may resettle in the area of the plant and some may already have been living there, however the economy of the local area is poor a lot of people are unemployed however the steel plant can give a decent income to these people, with more money in there pocket they spend it on local franchises and on big enterprises these companies seeing the potential of the local area will invest there capital into the area making it more prosperous furthering development and allowing more businesses and industry to go to that area and the cycle repeats, this equites to a higher income and more prosperity.
@@rossthomson1958again nice words but in reality its not the same plus the coal mine isnt offerering 10,000 jobs its offering 500. There is local jobs not being fillied. why would the same people that arnt filling out the jobs already there break there back all day in a coal mine and like i said i set up business 8months ago as a multi skilled worker the demand is UNREAL
everywhere i go i see job vacancies the area doesn't need jobs it needs workers
That coal can be burnt in a power station and steel needs vast amounts of electricity. So it does need the coal. Just not going to be used directly. Use the skills we have to reduce the polution as much as possible. The carbon dioxide produced can be used as plant food and is not a green house gas. Trees and plants love CO2.
I hope they do open it up along with others. we buy it from abroad, if we are going to use it anyway we may aswel use British coal. What the last couple of months should have taught us is that although we may not like certain things, we do need to try and be a bit more self sufficient. It's the most sensible thing we can do right now.
Not in Scotland their not.
If you watch the video it would have to be exported, the British steel industry doesn't want it.
@@ScottishRoss27 I'm Scottish and I welcome it
@@RobBCactive well what's wrong with bringing revenue into the country from exports then? Last i heard that was a good thing?
@@paulmc2501
Dont need it. 97% of Scotlands electricity is powered by renewables.
We're 3rd in Europe behind Iceland & Norway for use of renewables.
Also have 90% of the hydro energy resource in the UK.
Thats why the Only aluminium smelter factory in the UK is in Scotland.
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