Thanks, Travis. I tend to learn rulesets much easier through watching then just reading the book. Should make the reading of the text much easier when I get my copy.
Andre's balanced die on the save ! I have pictures of my Aeldari die that ended the same way! Been a long running joke between me and our group's Necron player who I was gaming against! Love your channel guys!
Great game and awesome board. Love the mat and the buildings. I had a dice end its roll on its corner once in a flames of war tournament. Hilarious. Literally everyone stopped playing and Came over to look. 😂
Loving the game so far. U Guys really help each action with your chat. 🙂 Just a point at 19:25 German tank MMG half their dice and then round up. 7/2 = 3.5 + up = 4.
@@tabletopcp It was mentioned on another You tube channel. They were excited about the German MMG having 7 shots and also quoted German tank MMGs received a bonus over other tanks... They might have misread. Their game was littered with rule mistakes as they'd rushed into it.
Iirc, the German MG bonus is applied after the dice count, so an MMG is 6, but a German MG is 7, and a tank MMG would be 3, but a German tank MMG would be 4.
It's interesting, but I'm glad I play in 15mm. Table looked packed with all the extra units. Also wish they'd ditch the templates and go back to the dX damage rolls for HE shots.
I understand why they use templates because certain players bunch all their men together, etc. A great alternative would be to let us use either. Without using a template to check how many your getting. You decide on using the template or D6 etc. This would stop the shenanigans of not using a template.
Great game, looked a lot of fun. Specifically on the FUBAR roll, I agree that losing the whole unit sucks, would be better if you measured the distance for each model in the section, and those over the edge are lost, perhaps reflecting the disorder as they flee. Looking back, you might have kept 3-4 soldiers which is enough to keep the unit viable.
A great watch last night... the camera work is some of the best in gaming, and the added names to models really brings it alive... if i may add one little thing... your pin markers are not easy to see, if you used warlords red ones, i could get a feel for the pinned units on the board... then pins are removed much quicker in V3.... maybe warlord could send you some..."don`t shoot me for asking"...!!!!
Fortunately there is only a 2.78% chance you'll roll box cars. And then I guess a 50% chance (if I heard right) that you will get panic. So this should be a rare occurrence. Although we did just see it happen!
The german tanks still get +1 shot per machine gun (hitlers buzz saw) so 4 shots each. Flamers are more expensive and run out on a 1 or 2 in 3rd edition.
Re the FUBAR - perhaps it should be 'move to your deployment edge only' - not other edges. You can get to 7s - there's an additional -1 for a team weapon down to one man. But it would be very very rare
So!.. I pre ordered the V3 set with the full book, and I had to order it through the Warlord site, and with that I had to sign up for the newsletter or whatever it is called,, so the new one arrives in my inbox, and what do I see, it is recommending YOUR video!!!, outstanding,, I had actually watched a bit of the live show, and had then started watching this one,,, before they told me too, ha ha,, I will finish it though, I promise, but well done!
Loved this br. One thing to note though is that you need to have an infantry platoon for each one of the other types that you bring. So in this game you would've needed 2 infantry platoons.
No it’s just one infantry platoon to unlock one of each of the other types. You need a second infantry platoon if you want to bring a second of one of the special platoon types.
@@tabletopcp Oh, I must have misinterpreted the rule then. Another question, at the end of turn 5 when Andre has his lt. closer to the center objective doesn:t he capture it? I thought you needed to have either an artillery or infantry to capture, meaning the Sherman is not contesting?
The understanding i got, the cover saves it is similiar to other games that do cover saves such as Legion. You save for each hit, doesn't matter the number of units in the force being hit.
Yea they are more expensive but they will be hitting more often now. Plus they can do serious damage to units in buildings. Equivalent to a 2” template.
@@tabletopcp They would be roughly be hitting on the same value, due to everyone hitting on 4s base now. In the previous editions it would be -2 to hit most of the time with moving and long range meaning 5s, now its -1 for moving getting it to 5s again. The big difference being pins no longer stacking multiple negatives to hit. Usually youd need to take 3 Panzerfausts to net 1 hit on average per squad, that was 15pts before and its now 45pts (which is nearly a whole other squad of 5 men or a M.Mortar, Sniper or MMG) and whilst cover no longer applies any negatives that didnt really come up much with the PFs due to how short ranged they were but the fact you need 5s before being in point blank really makes their cost not worth it at all. I would run 2 per squad for a total of 6 in my platoon and then a further 4 in a Panzer-Zestorer, thats a huge 100pt increase in 3.0, at that point I might as well take a 222, 250/9 or even a Marder.I which is only 105pts now instead not that ill have the points for any of that as ill now be massively over my points limit even with the reductions in Commander costs. It sucks. I dont think youll see any PFs at all and instead youll see German players actually taking Armour to fill out their tank hunting role especially with Tank Destroyers being cheaper (Marder, STuG and Jadgpanthers being cheaper by about 20%). Hopefully we will see PFs getting tinkered with in cost when the Armies of Germany book comes out next year.
Great stuff guys. I know this is an initial practice game, but my mate and I did our first game a couple of weeks ago, 1K lists and I had 20 order dice, he had 29, I often got 15 in my 500pts lists in 2nd ed, I think you guys go more narrative than we do. I'm still 50/50 on the new edition, I guess we play it plenty then come back in 6 months and see what we think. Keep playing 💪💪
19:27 the 'front quarter' of the tank is exposed... are there rules for firing ap shot through the house and into the side of the tank, or would that need to be a house rule among friends?
In my fairly uninformed opinion, FUBAR can represent a lot of things. The table isn't the whole world... in the narrative of the game, the edge of the table might be the edge of the zone but it's not the edge of the universe. It isn't necessarily that a unit runs away. Maybe they received confusing or contradictory orders. Maybe they thought that they were assaulting the wrong objective because the platoon leader had the map upside down. Maybe something was happening nearby "off screen" and they got embroiled in it. Maybe a bunch of 'friendly' tanks drove up, cut them down with MGs, and then drove back to base for a self-congratulatory drink thinking that they were the big heroes. There's a balance between game and history but based on what I read about over and over in accounts of the war, if anything I would say that most wargames are extremely generous in terms of not requiring virtually every battle to be a dark comedy of errors.
I haven't even finished the report but what a winderful table! A feast for the eyes, like it!! Whether I like BA V3, that is an entirely different question. I can see the appeal of more stuff but maybe it is too much? Not sure wuite yet.
Nope just one infantry platoon unlocks one of each of the other types. If you want to bring a second armor platoon you need to buy a second infantry platoon.
There’s something about buildings and kills with HE that bugs me. Not sure why. Because I like the idea that the building collapsing with so Many hits. It seems like it makes more sense to be in the open vs HE as opposed to being in a hard building. Anyway, them the rules, so I need to figure out how to counter it.
Is the Panzerfaust still one use for 15 Points? That would make them realy useless. In best case, Coinflip for a hit. Another Coinflip for penetration, when penetrate Coinflip for Damage and a short range to the enemy. Totaly not worth 15 Points. Especialy when there are more Tanks in the Game now.
Yes still one shot. It is easier to hit with them now. They can also do damage to units in buildings. Are they worth 15 points? Maybe? They are still a great deterrent to tanks and can take one out.
6 panzerfausts for 90 points could take out a 1k point Armored Platoon; I’d say that’s quite worth it. A weapon that can punch that high above its weight class is still great, especially with no exceptional damage to siphon them away anymore.
@@brianverrett4018 Thats very unlikely. U will hit on 5+ (given that u have to move in position to fire) so 3 needed to take one hit (if everything wents statiticaly). Than u have to penetrate, thats depends on the 3rd edition armor rules, but normaly 1 or 2 will fail, in some case more. Than u have to make a good dice roll to finish the Tank. After that, your squad has no Panzerfaust any more, and may be the tank gets a Save and pases it. So 1000 Points with 6 shots seems very, very, optimistic. Given the Case, that the infantry squad has to manage to come into range, to get the shot, without being reduced to shreds, by the 1000 points of Tanks.... or the 9 Infantry the enemy will have for the same points your 6 Panzerfausts cost. They are more expensive than a veteran Soldier. With all this uncertainties i stay with 15 Points are way to much. Its 60 Points for 4 in a squad to get one (more or less save) penetrating hit. To bring 6 would need 2 Squads to carry them. We will see how they balance it with the other equipment and national Rules. But i fear, its another dead equipment now for the Germans, and thats sad.
@@osamaobama879 I 100% agree, the chance of hitting hasnt really changed at all as people are forgetting that everyone hits at 1 worse than they did last edition. In most cases you were hitting on 5s last edition for moving and long range and I found especially in most games I werent giving my opponent cover due to the nature of being such short ranged you often had to sacrifice the squad in the open to get the shot off. I was needing 5s in the past ill be needing 5s now and my cost has shot up 10pts extra per Faust. I was taking 10 in my list, 2 per squad and 4 in a Panzer-Zestorer unit, thats a huge 100pt blow to my list and for that cost you are looking at other elements that can bring the same. A Marder.I is 105pts now whilst getting a +1 to hit vehicles when given a fire or ambush order whilst having the benefit of no longer suffering the long range penalty and sitting comfy on the other side of the board, most AT guns are below 100pts even with a tow and you can get a lot of Armoured Cars for 90-105pts (a Luchs is 115pts). I do not see any reason to take a PF now at all even with the niche case of being able to lob them at a building (at that point just assault the building if you are that close). 15pts is now a second LMG to my squads. Hoping in the Armies of Germany book next year they revise the cost because as it stands its way too much for how unreliable they are to actually put damage onto a tank especially now we are more likely to see even more Armour on the board than in previous editions.
I have just glanced over the army building rules, but don't you need one rifle platoon per other platoon, so to field both a heavy weapons platoon and an armored platoon you need two rifle platoons?
tanks that fubar move directly backwards at the run. it goes by the way they are facing. so the sherman near the run off squad would be ok as it would back into the building and then stop. if the back is facing a table edge then it can run off. it stops people sitting on the table edge using a big gun at distance. in v2 the tank would go down but now it leaves the table. if that sherman fubared twice in consecutive turns its also destroyed hitting that building twice. small chance but possible id say. i dont have a rule book so check it and let me know please.
don't play the game but love watching it assault into cover makes alot more sense. is building destruction to kill units a new thing ? don't remember seeing it done often but seems good
Did the Sherman’s have the command rule? Was reading that if you have the option of command vehicle you have to take of them as you platoon commander. In saying that if you have a armoured car that’s a command vehicle you would have to take it if that was your only option? . Or if the vehicle has the option to purchase command or if your army doesn’t have it then spend 10pts for it (didn’t see a command vehicle for the soviets) The German tanks don’t have command that I seen but they have armoured cars that do so you’d be forced to take a armoured cars as you command vehicle. Let me know if you found that aswell.
I guess as written if you take a vehicle that has command already or has the option it must be the command vehicle. But if none of your vehicles have it you can upgrade one vehicle to command for 10 points.
I am glad its easier to hit, my last gake i shot at a sniper in a building with a total of 46 shots over 4 turns and only namaged to get 2 pins on the sniper, while the same sniper managed to remove 4 dice from me with only 4 shots decimating my small teams
Very enjoyable and informative. I agree with most of the changes. I think that the "snap to" is now too powerful, especially if you bring a Coy commander at @ 70 pts with the ability to snap 4 units. It reduces the genius of the BA game mechanic of random order dice. I don't think that there will be many Japanese or Russian "horde" armies in competitions.
Looking forward to v3, but to be honest not sure I am going to like the new rules. What's your honest opinion on the matter. Think new rules and changes in bolt action better or just different.
WOW, what a beautiful table and a good rapport between players, which is always good to see, as for V3, even though tanks are cheaper, there still a complete waste of points, the cover save system, seams to make it harder to kill, especially starting on a base 4, which encourages infantry not to move, HE and indirect fire rules, heavy weapon teams seam to be the new spam. I think V3 will appeal to disgruntled 40K players, I feel this is a huge step backwards and a huge disappointment, couple that with the new national characteristics and it looks like V3 if off to a bewildering and underwhelming start. Fantastic battle report and exceptionally informative, a huge thank you chaps…..
Bolt Action has always had objectives in some of its missions. It’s just a modification of an existing part of Bolt Action. And you can always make your own custom objective markers like I do. I use 40mm bases with extra bits left over from kits, usually tank kits, to make fuel, ammo or weapons caches that work with the scenery. It’s whatever you want to make it!
After seeing the MMG team get killed with the 1st die pulled I'm seeing a trend in games i love to play(Star wars legion and Bolt Action) that cover is pretty useless and may as well play on empty tables
Finally! I have been holding off watching any V3 battle reports until you guys dropped yours!
Same, best Bolt Action channel in my opinion.
Same here!
@@denisdaly5200 100%
"Horton hears a howitzer" at 28mins LOL! Nice batrep, lovely table.
A corner roll is a great testimony to the plushness of that battle mat
That well-trained "seal" of a die roll (landing on its "nose") is quite the trick in miniatures wargaming, Andre! @ 24:58
What a glorious board
Always digging your tables, especially those buildings. Oh, look, dead cow (cover for sniper or other small teams?)!
Could be if you wanted it to be. It wasn’t in this particular game.
Great Game.....figures, buildings & terrain.
Brilliant first game lads, what a fantastic swingy result. Loved it!
Thanks, Travis. I tend to learn rulesets much easier through watching then just reading the book. Should make the reading of the text much easier when I get my copy.
Awesome report on the v3 rules, another great layout. Thanks guys :)
Sometimes i just want to give Andre a cuddle. He handles unhelpful dice so well but still, it must break his heart a little bit.
Another enjoyable batrep with good insight on some of the rules changes in 3rd Edition. Thanks for making the video.
I think I lost my ‘in-depth ‘ comment but you guys do a great job for the wargaming community. 👍
Gorgeous board and layout ❤
Looking forward to this new edition. With it, I am hoping I will be able to finally work on getting my Thai force built.
1:19:18 That belly-laugh at the snake-eyes was infectious.
Great video. By far the best battle reports for Boltaction. It almost feels like a movie🏆
Andre's balanced die on the save ! I have pictures of my Aeldari die that ended the same way! Been a long running joke between me and our group's Necron player who I was gaming against!
Love your channel guys!
I just realised that the explosion marker on the 105mm is a flickering LED! Damn now I have to get one myself, that looks nice! ❤🎉
Panacea prints makes them. Check out their store in the link in the description
@@tabletopcp thanks, I'll definitely do that!
Also thank you for this first Battle Report and the Rule-Change-Explanations!
Great game and awesome board. Love the mat and the buildings.
I had a dice end its roll on its corner once in a flames of war tournament. Hilarious. Literally everyone stopped playing and Came over to look. 😂
Really like Bolt Action 3rd edition. Awesome game as always guys.
Loving the game so far. U Guys really help each action with your chat. 🙂 Just a point at 19:25 German tank MMG half their dice and then round up. 7/2 = 3.5 + up = 4.
That sounds right. Couldnt find where it said to round up or down
@@tabletopcp It was mentioned on another You tube channel. They were excited about the German MMG having 7 shots and also quoted German tank MMGs received a bonus over other tanks... They might have misread. Their game was littered with rule mistakes as they'd rushed into it.
Iirc, the German MG bonus is applied after the dice count, so an MMG is 6, but a German MG is 7, and a tank MMG would be 3, but a German tank MMG would be 4.
Im looking forward to BA3
Great game! Love the table and the minis you put together! Thought the wrap-up on the game brought a nice review and conclusion to the new edition.
It's interesting, but I'm glad I play in 15mm. Table looked packed with all the extra units. Also wish they'd ditch the templates and go back to the dX damage rolls for HE shots.
I understand why they use templates because certain players bunch all their men together, etc. A great alternative would be to let us use either.
Without using a template to check how many your getting. You decide on using the template or D6 etc.
This would stop the shenanigans of not using a template.
Great game. I look forward to more. I think it makes sense for a defender of cover to fight first. Like what down now does with that as well.
Great game, looked a lot of fun. Specifically on the FUBAR roll, I agree that losing the whole unit sucks, would be better if you measured the distance for each model in the section, and those over the edge are lost, perhaps reflecting the disorder as they flee. Looking back, you might have kept 3-4 soldiers which is enough to keep the unit viable.
That’s a good idea
Great game really enjoyed it well done this V3 it's a lot to get used to but brilliant game 🤠🤠🤠👍👍
that cover save at 25ish minutes he rolled a 7 , thats just what he did
Thank you by the way for the long vid on version 3.
Great game! I see building are still deathtraps... This v3 is becoming more like the Battlegroup rules- that's a good thing🤘
Well done gents 👍🏻
A great watch last night... the camera work is some of the best in gaming, and the added names to models really brings it alive... if i may add one little thing... your pin markers are not easy to see, if you used warlords red ones, i could get a feel for the pinned units on the board... then pins are removed much quicker in V3.... maybe warlord could send you some..."don`t shoot me for asking"...!!!!
Having vehicles flee at fubar is brutal. People will be hoping for friendly fire. Armored cars have 24 inches to make it to a board edge and leave.
Yeah man it’s rough. It’s gonna change a lot of games
Fortunately there is only a 2.78% chance you'll roll box cars. And then I guess a 50% chance (if I heard right) that you will get panic. So this should be a rare occurrence. Although we did just see it happen!
The german tanks still get +1 shot per machine gun (hitlers buzz saw) so 4 shots each. Flamers are more expensive and run out on a 1 or 2 in 3rd edition.
Re the FUBAR - perhaps it should be 'move to your deployment edge only' - not other edges.
You can get to 7s - there's an additional -1 for a team weapon down to one man. But it would be very very rare
So!.. I pre ordered the V3 set with the full book, and I had to order it through the Warlord site, and with that I had to sign up for the newsletter or whatever it is called,, so the new one arrives in my inbox, and what do I see, it is recommending YOUR video!!!, outstanding,, I had actually watched a bit of the live show, and had then started watching this one,,, before they told me too, ha ha,, I will finish it though, I promise, but well done!
5:36 Love it!
Loved this br. One thing to note though is that you need to have an infantry platoon for each one of the other types that you bring. So in this game you would've needed 2 infantry platoons.
No it’s just one infantry platoon to unlock one of each of the other types. You need a second infantry platoon if you want to bring a second of one of the special platoon types.
@@tabletopcp Oh, I must have misinterpreted the rule then. Another question, at the end of turn 5 when Andre has his lt. closer to the center objective doesn:t he capture it? I thought you needed to have either an artillery or infantry to capture, meaning the Sherman is not contesting?
Very nice buildings!
Stayed till the end, great game.
The understanding i got, the cover saves it is similiar to other games that do cover saves such as Legion. You save for each hit, doesn't matter the number of units in the force being hit.
I had just finished putting together 3 panzerfaust models when I got to 11:35 - now I am just sitting here thinking "aw what the hell, man"
Yea they are more expensive but they will be hitting more often now. Plus they can do serious damage to units in buildings. Equivalent to a 2” template.
@@tabletopcp They would be roughly be hitting on the same value, due to everyone hitting on 4s base now. In the previous editions it would be -2 to hit most of the time with moving and long range meaning 5s, now its -1 for moving getting it to 5s again. The big difference being pins no longer stacking multiple negatives to hit. Usually youd need to take 3 Panzerfausts to net 1 hit on average per squad, that was 15pts before and its now 45pts (which is nearly a whole other squad of 5 men or a M.Mortar, Sniper or MMG) and whilst cover no longer applies any negatives that didnt really come up much with the PFs due to how short ranged they were but the fact you need 5s before being in point blank really makes their cost not worth it at all. I would run 2 per squad for a total of 6 in my platoon and then a further 4 in a Panzer-Zestorer, thats a huge 100pt increase in 3.0, at that point I might as well take a 222, 250/9 or even a Marder.I which is only 105pts now instead not that ill have the points for any of that as ill now be massively over my points limit even with the reductions in Commander costs. It sucks. I dont think youll see any PFs at all and instead youll see German players actually taking Armour to fill out their tank hunting role especially with Tank Destroyers being cheaper (Marder, STuG and Jadgpanthers being cheaper by about 20%). Hopefully we will see PFs getting tinkered with in cost when the Armies of Germany book comes out next year.
Great stuff guys. I know this is an initial practice game, but my mate and I did our first game a couple of weeks ago, 1K lists and I had 20 order dice, he had 29, I often got 15 in my 500pts lists in 2nd ed, I think you guys go more narrative than we do.
I'm still 50/50 on the new edition, I guess we play it plenty then come back in 6 months and see what we think.
Keep playing 💪💪
19:27 the 'front quarter' of the tank is exposed...
are there rules for firing ap shot through the house and into the side of the tank, or would that need to be a house rule among friends?
Through the house? No. The tank would just get hard cover.
25:30 shouldnt the stug have a 4+ save as the sherman is fring over a stone wall also?
I think we decided the walls were not high enough to grant cover to vehicles
@@tabletopcp oh ok
Hi Guys , great video.
Just quick one, where did you get from this terrain I mean hedges and trees ?
I made them. The hedges are lichen glued to brown scrubber pads and the trees are clump foliage glued to Woodland Scenics tree armatures.
In my fairly uninformed opinion, FUBAR can represent a lot of things. The table isn't the whole world... in the narrative of the game, the edge of the table might be the edge of the zone but it's not the edge of the universe. It isn't necessarily that a unit runs away. Maybe they received confusing or contradictory orders. Maybe they thought that they were assaulting the wrong objective because the platoon leader had the map upside down. Maybe something was happening nearby "off screen" and they got embroiled in it. Maybe a bunch of 'friendly' tanks drove up, cut them down with MGs, and then drove back to base for a self-congratulatory drink thinking that they were the big heroes. There's a balance between game and history but based on what I read about over and over in accounts of the war, if anything I would say that most wargames are extremely generous in terms of not requiring virtually every battle to be a dark comedy of errors.
Awesome table, love it! Great game guys :)
I haven't even finished the report but what a winderful table! A feast for the eyes, like it!! Whether I like BA V3, that is an entirely different question. I can see the appeal of more stuff but maybe it is too much? Not sure wuite yet.
Great game Gents! Have a great week 🎉
Love ya works gents, are the commanders abit cheaper now since you have to take more of them?
Yes they have come down in points
Awesome table and set up and great run through.
On a separate note, where's the playmat from.
This is the Sicily mat
By geek villain. Link in the description
I’m pretty sure you have to have two infantry platoons to bring the armored platoon and the heavy weapons platoon
Nope just one infantry platoon unlocks one of each of the other types. If you want to bring a second armor platoon you need to buy a second infantry platoon.
How did you do the roads and hedges on this board?
Roads are just sand. The hedges are lichen glued to scrubber pads
@@tabletopcp The roads look awesome! How is cleanup for the sand? Do you use any special tools to lay the roads down?
@@andrewl7190 I just take the mat outside and shake it off, I dont try to save it. Sand is cheap and plentiful. I just lay it down by hand
My first V3 game my Veteran SS cavalry ran off the board from a 2 pin fubar as well ahah, i was baffled, but overall the edition is great.
Quick questions, where can i get/how can i make the hedgerows you have. they are super cool
I made them. Got some brown scrubber pads and glued lichen to them with adhesive spray.
Love how you guys name all the commanders! but a "ski" for the germans? LOL
He is from the far eastern part
What brand of minis do you lads use ?
The infantry is warlord, the tanks mostly Tamiya 1:48 models
Great game
I thought you got a +1 for the shooting an AT gun at an AFV. @ 23:38 you should have been hitting on a 4. Or if you didn't move a 3, am I not correct?
It’s a +1 to hit if you use a fire order. As in you don’t move. The tank advanced so got a -1 to hit.
@@tabletopcp oh okay, got it.
Thanks for answering!
Great video. Question about your roads, is that gravel scattered on the mat? If so what product is it?
It’s just some sand I got from the Home Depot. Nothing special
Ok thanks!
wow great game
1st 3 ed game next Monday for me.
There’s something about buildings and kills with HE that bugs me. Not sure why. Because I like the idea that the building collapsing with so Many hits.
It seems like it makes more sense to be in the open vs HE as opposed to being in a hard building.
Anyway, them the rules, so I need to figure out how to counter it.
I enjoy the tabletop
Do pins hurt units that are assaulted? Or, are they ignored during the assault rolls.
Pins don’t do anything. Being down does though. Makes the fight simultaneous if the defending unit in cover is down.
Any change to the firing smoke rules? Where does a smoke round land if it does not land on target?
Yes. Now if you miss with the smoke it just lands off the table
Is the Panzerfaust still one use for 15 Points? That would make them realy useless. In best case, Coinflip for a hit. Another Coinflip for penetration, when penetrate Coinflip for Damage and a short range to the enemy. Totaly not worth 15 Points. Especialy when there are more Tanks in the Game now.
Yes still one shot. It is easier to hit with them now. They can also do damage to units in buildings. Are they worth 15 points? Maybe? They are still a great deterrent to tanks and can take one out.
6 panzerfausts for 90 points could take out a 1k point Armored Platoon; I’d say that’s quite worth it. A weapon that can punch that high above its weight class is still great, especially with no exceptional damage to siphon them away anymore.
@@brianverrett4018 Thats very unlikely. U will hit on 5+ (given that u have to move in position to fire) so 3 needed to take one hit (if everything wents statiticaly). Than u have to penetrate, thats depends on the 3rd edition armor rules, but normaly 1 or 2 will fail, in some case more. Than u have to make a good dice roll to finish the Tank. After that, your squad has no Panzerfaust any more, and may be the tank gets a Save and pases it. So 1000 Points with 6 shots seems very, very, optimistic. Given the Case, that the infantry squad has to manage to come into range, to get the shot, without being reduced to shreds, by the 1000 points of Tanks.... or the 9 Infantry the enemy will have for the same points your 6 Panzerfausts cost. They are more expensive than a veteran Soldier. With all this uncertainties i stay with 15 Points are way to much. Its 60 Points for 4 in a squad to get one (more or less save) penetrating hit. To bring 6 would need 2 Squads to carry them. We will see how they balance it with the other equipment and national Rules. But i fear, its another dead equipment now for the Germans, and thats sad.
@@osamaobama879 I 100% agree, the chance of hitting hasnt really changed at all as people are forgetting that everyone hits at 1 worse than they did last edition. In most cases you were hitting on 5s last edition for moving and long range and I found especially in most games I werent giving my opponent cover due to the nature of being such short ranged you often had to sacrifice the squad in the open to get the shot off. I was needing 5s in the past ill be needing 5s now and my cost has shot up 10pts extra per Faust. I was taking 10 in my list, 2 per squad and 4 in a Panzer-Zestorer unit, thats a huge 100pt blow to my list and for that cost you are looking at other elements that can bring the same. A Marder.I is 105pts now whilst getting a +1 to hit vehicles when given a fire or ambush order whilst having the benefit of no longer suffering the long range penalty and sitting comfy on the other side of the board, most AT guns are below 100pts even with a tow and you can get a lot of Armoured Cars for 90-105pts (a Luchs is 115pts).
I do not see any reason to take a PF now at all even with the niche case of being able to lob them at a building (at that point just assault the building if you are that close). 15pts is now a second LMG to my squads. Hoping in the Armies of Germany book next year they revise the cost because as it stands its way too much for how unreliable they are to actually put damage onto a tank especially now we are more likely to see even more Armour on the board than in previous editions.
I have just glanced over the army building rules, but don't you need one rifle platoon per other platoon, so to field both a heavy weapons platoon and an armored platoon you need two rifle platoons?
No it’s one of each special platoon for each infantry platoon
i ordered my stuff i am waiting for it to come.
tanks that fubar move directly backwards at the run. it goes by the way they are facing. so the sherman near the run off squad would be ok as it would back into the building and then stop. if the back is facing a table edge then it can run off. it stops people sitting on the table edge using a big gun at distance. in v2 the tank would go down but now it leaves the table. if that sherman fubared twice in consecutive turns its also destroyed hitting that building twice. small chance but possible id say. i dont have a rule book so check it and let me know please.
don't play the game but love watching it
assault into cover makes alot more sense.
is building destruction to kill units a new thing ?
don't remember seeing it done often but seems good
Building destruction is not new we just rarely hung out in buildings as it is too dangerous
Far more interested in what’ll be in Chain of Command 2. But hey ho🤫
Did the Sherman’s have the command rule? Was reading that if you have the option of command vehicle you have to take of them as you platoon commander. In saying that if you have a armoured car that’s a command vehicle you would have to take it if that was your only option? . Or if the vehicle has the option to purchase command or if your army doesn’t have it then spend 10pts for it (didn’t see a command vehicle for the soviets)
The German tanks don’t have command that I seen but they have armoured cars that do so you’d be forced to take a armoured cars as you command vehicle.
Let me know if you found that aswell.
I guess as written if you take a vehicle that has command already or has the option it must be the command vehicle. But if none of your vehicles have it you can upgrade one vehicle to command for 10 points.
I guess I'm gonna stick with the 2nd edition atm im not convinced
That is my feeling too. 3rd is too erratic.
I am glad its easier to hit, my last gake i shot at a sniper in a building with a total of 46 shots over 4 turns and only namaged to get 2 pins on the sniper, while the same sniper managed to remove 4 dice from me with only 4 shots decimating my small teams
hi
where's the mat from? beautiful table
It’s from Geek Villain. There is a link in the video description.
@@tabletopcp then i apologize for not even looking there, thanks for doing this and taking time to answer the lazy boy i am !
Very enjoyable and informative. I agree with most of the changes. I think that the "snap to" is now too powerful, especially if you bring a Coy commander at @ 70 pts with the ability to snap 4 units. It reduces the genius of the BA game mechanic of random order dice. I don't think that there will be many Japanese or Russian "horde" armies in competitions.
Snap to is great though, and comes with a challenging decision tree on its own. It's easy to mess up, and it removes a lot of dice from the bag.
Is it a rule now that models for things like mortars must be on the same big base (or at least are considered to be)?
It’s by a rule. Just personal Preference.
Was pinning not a major mechanic of BA V2. now it just seams a bit redundant?
It’s still a major mechanic. It’s easier to get pins and remove them now though
What type of handheld camera are you using?
Just a Sony camcorder
@@tabletopcp you get really great video and audio quality out of it. I'll have to look into one. Thank you for the response!
@@christianhouser9752 it does have the external mic attachment on it.
@@tabletopcp copy that. Thank you sir.
Looking forward to v3, but to be honest not sure I am going to like the new rules. What's your honest opinion on the matter. Think new rules and changes in bolt action better or just different.
I like the changes. From the two games I have played I think it’s an improved game.
Hey Travis, where did you get your Terrain, specifically the buildings and bocage?
Looks awesome
Almost all of the building are from Micro Art studios. I just put a link to their site in the description of the video.
Good fight, gents.
What scale are the Sherman's? They look bigger to me, though it could just be my eyes.
You are right they are bigger, 1/48 scale. So are the German tanks
@@tabletopcp ok awesome thank you
I thought you needed to bring a second rifle platoon to bring another specialty platoon?
Nope. One of each type of special platoon per rifle platoon
Hell yes!!
So how does assault now affect Banzai charges?
Banzai now just lets you re roll the order test to make the charge if you fail it.
@@tabletopcp was that re roll?
@@davidwilkin1202 yeah sorry re roll.
@@tabletopcp that makes the Japanese a bit weaker doesn’t it?
Also the new unit organisation would may be initiate a set of new Army books?
@@davidwilkin1202 the new banzai rule is definitely worse than the old banzai rule. And there will be all new army books for V3
WOW, what a beautiful table and a good rapport between players, which is always good to see, as for V3, even though tanks are cheaper, there still a complete waste of points, the cover save system, seams to make it harder to kill, especially starting on a base 4, which encourages infantry not to move, HE and indirect fire rules, heavy weapon teams seam to be the new spam. I think V3 will appeal to disgruntled 40K players, I feel this is a huge step backwards and a huge disappointment, couple that with the new national characteristics and it looks like V3 if off to a bewildering and underwhelming start. Fantastic battle report and exceptionally informative, a huge thank you chaps…..
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that first 5* cover save should have counted....bet you will never do it again.
When will they re sculpt the American forces all shaped like salad fingers.
There are new Americans out. These are the old ones
Ah objectives, placed on nothing in particular to determine who wins. So it’s even more like 40k now then? 😱
You can place them wherever you want as long as they are 12” from each other and 6” from the board edge.
Bolt Action has always had objectives in some of its missions. It’s just a modification of an existing part of Bolt Action.
And you can always make your own custom objective markers like I do. I use 40mm bases with extra bits left over from kits, usually tank kits, to make fuel, ammo or weapons caches that work with the scenery. It’s whatever you want to make it!
It's hard to put realistic objectives in a war game without it being scenario based.
After seeing the MMG team get killed with the 1st die pulled I'm seeing a trend in games i love to play(Star wars legion and Bolt Action) that cover is pretty useless and may as well play on empty tables
Then you got Horton who survived half the German army shooting due to cover saves. They are dice rolls. You never know what is going to happen.
One bad set of die rolls hardly means cover saves have no use.
Granted, he should have given that team a down order for that first shot to get the bonus to cover saves.
I just dislike playing on awesome terrain only to never roll the required save that said terrain gives
@@StormtrooperYD I agree - the cover save system makes no sense given you already hit them and 'killed' them...and then they are unkilled