Repairing Bally's Famous SQUAWK And TALK Sound Board - 1981 Medusa Pinball Machine PCB Diagnosis

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  • Опубликовано: 25 окт 2024

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  • @areizman
    @areizman Год назад +3

    Probably the best S&T repair video out there. I just came across this in my feed. Spent almost a year of my time at Bally prototyping and building this board. Wish I could take more credit but that mostly belongs to Bob Kohan and Steve Akerman. Bob and Lance Chantry derived the name and technology from an educational toy Texas Instruments called 'Speak and Spell'.

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Год назад

      Thank you Allan, I appreciate you watching! Probably my favorite sound board!

    • @JimHawkwind03411
      @JimHawkwind03411 10 месяцев назад

      Weren’t there two versions of the Squawk and Talk?
      There’s the aforementioned pinball version, and there’s the video game version used on Discs of Tron and the CED Video game, NFL Football, dubbed the “Squawk and Talk MCR II”.
      Are there any differences between the pinball and video game versions?

  • @naytch2003
    @naytch2003 Год назад +14

    A hour of prime time video..this content is better than anything Hollywood or TV can churn out these days:)

  • @Nunya_Bidnez
    @Nunya_Bidnez Год назад

    She is coming along so well. You have transformed it into a beauty. Still cannot believe it was under a house.

  • @wackyworldofwindios3476
    @wackyworldofwindios3476 Год назад +4

    Thanks for the ear worm Ron. I be singing that one all day. Giddy UP, HI HO SILVER AWAY. She has a lot to say . Your almost there .

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Год назад +1

      If you get in the mood listen to their song "Yall Come Back Saloon" it came out after bob Wills died (famous western swing pioneer).... and talks about this old cowboy that goes to this bar every night and asks the girl there to sing him a Bob Wills song. ruclips.net/video/sH_4dSOXj90/видео.html

    • @naytch2003
      @naytch2003 Год назад +2

      Bob Wills is still the King

  • @paulclarke7571
    @paulclarke7571 Год назад +1

    54:27....That's what I live for. Ron AT HIS BEST! Just great stuff Ron!

  • @sc5015
    @sc5015 Год назад +1

    New sub here because of your work on this machine!!
    I love the mechanical aspect of early electronics, and it amazes me how the makers of those machines provided such detailed schematics..its a stark comparison to modern electronics where makers are pushing to claim ownership of physical hardware you buy as a "license" to use it.
    Don't underestimate what tubers want to see, film that soldering and other tasks you think are tedious!!

  • @ClaymateDesigner
    @ClaymateDesigner Год назад

    I had a Bally "Elektra". Fortunately, I had few issues and only reached for the scope a few times..
    I wish I still had it as it was a real joy to play.
    My Bally Powerplay requires some TLC after some 6 years of being switched off during a house move.
    A great video..
    Thanks for sharing.
    Best wishes from the UK 2022...

  • @scottgm321
    @scottgm321 Год назад +1

    Great now “Giddy up, oom poppa, oom poppa, mow mow
    Heigh-ho Silver, away” will be stuck in my head all day. Thanks Ron😂

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Год назад

      It should be part of everybody's day, every day :)

  • @Bob-sd7qr
    @Bob-sd7qr Год назад +1

    I actually turned off a movie so I could binge watch your videos! I hear a lot of simular sounds between that and Eight Ball Deluxe.

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Год назад +1

      Thank you for watching Bob, yes I've heard back in the day that some of the sounds cost a lot of money to create so they loved to reuse them and save the time money and effort!

  • @Columbiastargazer
    @Columbiastargazer Год назад +7

    Great video :)
    my hypothesis for the "geeteoh" riddle is that it's a play on pronouncing "GTO", gee-te-oh, maybe

  • @alsanderson4917
    @alsanderson4917 Год назад +1

    When I repaired those boards, I would go for the gold plated positive lock sockets. Swapping out sockets is a pain but the end result was vibration proof play and trouble free operation. Fresh EEPROMs a must. Start a Eprom library on hard drive.

  • @clivepedersen8186
    @clivepedersen8186 Год назад

    Thank you very much for doing this video and explaining how everything works on the schematics. I had no sound on my Medusa project - I changed both volume pots and the C43 capacitor and the sound / speech is now fixed. Thanks again!

  • @svgalib
    @svgalib Год назад

    excellent as always. Good call on caps being the main culprit!

  • @TheNewYorkHustle
    @TheNewYorkHustle Год назад +3

    Great video. I watched start to finish..

  • @gallimead
    @gallimead Год назад +1

    Takes me back to 82. Great game then, and now.

  • @rickgoehring
    @rickgoehring Год назад +2

    I have really been enjoying all of your videos! I now have a serious itch to get an old pinball machine just to fix up and learn more about them. The genius behind the design and implementation of these electro-mechanical wonders is just fascinating. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and making it so entertaining. Keep up the great work!

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Год назад

      Thank you Rick, we appreciate you watching us.... pick you one up if you come across it, you can fix it!

    • @airbornelocksmith
      @airbornelocksmith Год назад

      I did the same thing. It caused me to Buy a 71 doodle bug. last month, I have not got it fully playing and thought it was 100% but turns out I'm still having a issue with the match unit adding credits but I'm going to get it. Ron is supper nice and very helpful. I'm now working on Buying my 2nd Machine now its a SS so stepping up in difficulty.

  • @MrButtonpresser
    @MrButtonpresser Год назад

    I think this has been my favorite repair, so far!

  • @markjackson1444
    @markjackson1444 Год назад +1

    It’s come a long way now from where it started. … The end is in sight. Great diagnostics as usual Ronnie. Hi ho silver lining!

    • @naytch2003
      @naytch2003 Год назад

      I see your sun is shining..but I won't make a fuss..coz it's obvious 😁

  • @goddessesstartrekonlinefle3061
    @goddessesstartrekonlinefle3061 Год назад +1

    Thanks for filming this for us. SO glad to see you fixed/rescued the old sound board! :D
    Amazing skills keeping the ball in the upper section to drop all the targets three times round.

  • @irieman442
    @irieman442 Год назад +1

    Like everything else with this machine. There is a lot going on with the sound board. We have all learned a lot from your videos. Thanks as always.

  • @randycarter2001
    @randycarter2001 Год назад +7

    That is the symbol, when used in electronics, that stands for micro. So that µP means micro processor. Just like µF means micro farad.

  • @mfranzusan3014
    @mfranzusan3014 Год назад +2

    Sweet! The one I've been waiting for! I always like to try for the original equipment, but hey, you've got a contingency plan, and that's good too! Thanks guys!

  • @simondempsey1
    @simondempsey1 Год назад +1

    Well worked out.Sounds so familiar to Centaur, had to turn mine on and have a game, although limited in the 80's they are great sounds

  • @cliffordmaxwell9802
    @cliffordmaxwell9802 Год назад

    Yes, superb video and now it's alive Ron you dah man! What a cool game Many people will have never even laid eyes on one of these. Thank you for posting.

  • @jonathandulchinos1766
    @jonathandulchinos1766 Год назад

    I always say u guys r awesome and I appreciate all your videos and I'm a big fan

  • @viscountalpha
    @viscountalpha Год назад

    I was playing one of these at Next level pinball museum, it's actually a fun pin!

  • @ocsrc
    @ocsrc Год назад +1

    This is one of the longest repair I can remember
    I guess because it is so complex

  • @pezjohnson
    @pezjohnson Год назад +1

    I first ran into the "extra sounds" on my Speak Easy. I didn't realize that I was missing sound until I changed 18 to 3. That does give the background noise similar to 8 ball deluxe. But the sounds become very "video game-y" with the spinner changed from a twirly sound to a horn sound straight out of Pole Position. We have a Medusa at a location here. I choose it because not everyone knows the rules to this amazing game. Nice work getting things fixed.

  • @Petri547
    @Petri547 Год назад

    Oh my goodness! She's alive! Nice video. Yes. You can get ROM.s and schematics for most pinballs from IPDB or VP/VPinMAME sites. Gottlieb is another thing. Their lawyers will sue anyone, who distributes Gottlieb ROM.s and schematics on their sites. That's why they're removed from everywhere.

  • @fixitalex
    @fixitalex Год назад +1

    Replacement boars id definitely cool! But to repair original - that's what we are here for :)

  • @macdaddyns
    @macdaddyns Год назад

    Nice progress!

  • @anthonymoloney3671
    @anthonymoloney3671 Год назад

    I don't know Ron. I think I saw a μflicker 😁. Thanks for the video. As entertaining as always.

  • @JacGoudsmit
    @JacGoudsmit Год назад

    Your theory is correct and the same thing happens with the LED on the main CPU board of every pinball machine: when you power it up, the LED immediately gets power because the chip it's connected to (probably a PIA but it could also be a pin of the microcontroller) isn't initialized yet. But that doesn't count as a flash because the processor isn't running yet. The reset circuit is keeping the processor from running for a little bit, and then the first thing the processor does when it starts running, is check if the processor itself works, and then it sets up the LED output pin so that the LED turns off. Then it does all the memory testing, and when it's okay, it turns the LED on for a little while (which is the first flash that's generated by the processor) and it turns it off again and tests the next thing, etc.
    In other words, the first time the LED flashes, it's because of the reset circuit. The second flash you see is the first time that the PROCESSOR actually turns it on and off to let you know it's working. Or more precisely: the processor starts working just before the LED turns off, and one of the first things it does is to turn the LED off, by initializing the PIA. That's because the PIA configures all pins to "input" mode when it resets, and the processor changes the PIA pin to "output" mode which pulls it low and turns the LED off.
    The best way to repair a leg on a chip that's broken like that is to take the chip out of the socket, then put a piece of wire (or the cut off lead of a resistor or something) into the socket, then put the chip back in (with the wire to the outside of the broken pin), then carefully solder the new wire to the outside of the leg on the chip. Then you pull the chip out again and cut the new leg so it's the same length as the other ones. That way the solder doesn't get in the way behind the leg and on top of the socket.
    Great video as usual Ron! Thanks for posting.

  • @AvengerII
    @AvengerII Год назад

    Yay!
    Ron survived the game without being turned to stone!
    He lives to repair broken pinball machines in the future!
    And he doesn't get the call sign, "Dead Duck," either!
    PS -- I saw the old horror film, "Gorgon," during the past weekend.
    I was thinking of your game subliminally, Joe's Classic Videogames!

  • @michaelschrewelius7508
    @michaelschrewelius7508 Год назад

    YEP!!! Sounds just like mine do!! Good work...

  • @PlumGurly
    @PlumGurly Год назад +1

    I'm not sure, but that TI speech chip was likely the same one used in the speech synthesizer for the TI-99-4A computer and maybe Speak & Spell.
    The speech synth module for the TI-99-4A shipped with only so many words in a ROM to drive the speech chip, and they initially planned on the ability to drop modules to add more words. But they never provided any chips or modules for that. Inside the little door, you could open it to add the enhancement ROMs, many of the boards inside never had the connector added. The reason was that they found out late in the production that they could add any number of words just through software alone.

  • @Tink-GB
    @Tink-GB Год назад +1

    So cool..the new board will surely enable you to work out what bumpers and target elements that don't work? Love the videos.

  • @j-fbondon2068
    @j-fbondon2068 Год назад +1

    hey thanks a lot for posting the amazing vids ...love to follow along the progress...great info always...btw can you put up a amazon link for Canada!? lots of us up here watching....

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Год назад +1

      Thanks for watching J-F Bondon.... we have a link to Amazon in Canada down below all of our videos, I think it's just a link to the Canadian flag but once you follow it you can buy whatever you want, lol Thanks again... amzn.to/2Ycu5RQ

    • @j-fbondon2068
      @j-fbondon2068 Год назад

      @@LyonsArcade woot I will look for it....keep them comming

  • @frankgagliano9677
    @frankgagliano9677 Год назад

    Great video Ronnie, Great job on the chip fix and those caps. Any extra soler do you need to take that off the leg or if you leave it is going to be ok? It's cool to hear it up and running now with sound. See you on the next video. Great Job Ronnie

  • @dandeson9723
    @dandeson9723 Год назад

    I'm not sure about the other chips in the audio board but the blue one is a LM2596 based 3A buck converter and the red board is a wav trigger board, it plays wav files from the sd card when there is a voltage applied to a trigger pin.

  • @stazeII
    @stazeII Год назад

    The demo or someone playing Mario World in the background. Lol.

  • @dnbreyen
    @dnbreyen Год назад

    Our Ron and Joe sound library mod chip continues to get new content!

  • @alsanderson4917
    @alsanderson4917 Год назад

    Get a good Hakko FR-410 High Power Desoldering Station with Pencil-Style Desoldering Tool for working on these old boards. A life saver.

  • @michaelsmith4748
    @michaelsmith4748 Год назад

    Was the Say It Again reverb board an option on this one like on Centaur? I wonder if that would connect to that Vocalizer header on the Squawk and Talk board. I don't remember where it connected on my Centaur, but cranking up the reverb and volume and turning off the room lights made for a really cool experience. "Challenge Centaur-taur-taur-taur."

    • @geeteoh1
      @geeteoh1 Год назад +1

      It connected to the j2 connector on the squawk and talk. Same header as the speaker. It sent unamplified sound to the reverb/echo board then back to the squawk and talk for final amplification. Only used on Centaur and Centaur II machines.

    • @michaelsmith4748
      @michaelsmith4748 Год назад

      @@geeteoh1 Ah okay, thanks! I really miss that game. Had to sell all of them all back when things were still affordable for the average mortal.

  • @mercster
    @mercster Год назад

    Der blinkenlight gives "status messages", is the term I think you were searching for.

  • @viscountalpha
    @viscountalpha Год назад +1

    HISS- TER-RE-SYS- hysteresis- the phenomenon in which the value of a physical property lags behind changes in the effect causing it, as for instance when magnetic induction lags behind the magnetizing force.

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Год назад

      You mean, like in "Good Vibrations" when the music cuts out, but you can still hear the voices going "AHHHHHHHHHH" on the tape through the silence? ruclips.net/video/apBWI6xrbLY/видео.html

  • @pl5624
    @pl5624 Год назад +4

    Looks like "GTO"

  • @H2Oredfirefox
    @H2Oredfirefox Год назад

    A similar sound trigger board just like that one I mean the red one that's on the big board it's a little MP3 decoder the basically has analogue and digital triggers you can use it for quite a lot of things.

  • @EsotericArctos
    @EsotericArctos Год назад +1

    The 4 Ohms may be the impedance, but when you are using a meter to measure it, you are measuring the DC RESISTANCE, so you are 100% correct saying you are measuring the RESISTANCE and let those other people carrying on carry on. The rating may be an impedance, but unless you have specific test equipment to measure the AC resistance (impedance) then you are measuring DC resistance :). I get sick of these know it all types correcting when they don't really know themselves. It's like people claiming to be audiphiles carrying on a cable makes the sound warmer.... Blah. I've been into that before lol.

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Год назад +1

      I was just listening to Shango say that same thing, and I couldn't tell if he was serious or joking. He said that some of them think you have to break in speaker cable, and the power breakers in your house make it sound different. When he said it, I chuckled, then I thought.... oh wait a minute, he may actually have people saying that to him, LOL

    • @EsotericArctos
      @EsotericArctos Год назад

      @@LyonsArcade Break in speaker cable ROFL. Never heard anything so ridiculous.
      Did I tell you the story about how I fooled one of those Audiophile nuts? I recapped an old amplifier, Mr Audiophile went nuts about how the old caps sounded better. I put the "old caps" back, but little did he know I had restuffed them, so they had brand new caps inside the shell of the old caps. He carried on about how it sounded so much better, but it was the same damn caps as he said ruined it lol.... So many of them are like that.

  • @patrickmorrissey2271
    @patrickmorrissey2271 Год назад

    uP is Micro Processor... Randy said it below. The weird small u is micro....

  • @douro20
    @douro20 Год назад

    "Sounds Good" used a software CODEC running on a 68000 processor and multiple ROMs containing the samples.
    For Data East/Sega pinballs they have a BSMT2000 emulator.

  • @jasonsteverson4609
    @jasonsteverson4609 Год назад

    Hey Ron!!

  • @neverknowit11
    @neverknowit11 Год назад +1

    Maybe pronounced GTO? Check the capacitors in the old board

  • @ocsrc
    @ocsrc Год назад

    Mode 03 is the
    DRIVE THE EMPLOYEES CRAZY
    setting
    Imagine 100 machines doing that all day long and you can't play with them and you can't leave

  • @Brendan_Keyport-WA7BMK
    @Brendan_Keyport-WA7BMK Год назад +1

    Boy I can understand why many 70s and early 80s pinball machines are set to quiet.

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Год назад +4

      Yeah, lots of boring people out there who play games, but don't like game noises.

  • @pl5624
    @pl5624 Год назад

    Voice sounds like Paul frees

  • @AppliedCryogenics
    @AppliedCryogenics Год назад

    I have a fan theory that Ronnie's hesitant to say Mu and Micro because he's worried his buddies might make fun of him for being a nerd.

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Год назад +1

      No I just hate elitists. I hate people that think there's only one way to do something, or that if someone says "uf" and you understood what they meant, that you need to correct them and tell them they're wrong and you're right. Grammar Nazis are evil, horrible, decrepit people and I don't want to be associated with them.

    • @AppliedCryogenics
      @AppliedCryogenics Год назад

      ​@@LyonsArcade Fair enough.

  • @jimkramer
    @jimkramer Год назад

    uP = Micro Processor (the u is actually a 'micro' symbol)

  • @Mrshoujo
    @Mrshoujo Год назад

    I'm of the mentality to fix the chip legs.

  • @TheMadmagik
    @TheMadmagik Год назад +1

    uP means micro P, the little u stands for micro.

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Год назад

      Thank you Magik!

    • @TheMadmagik
      @TheMadmagik Год назад

      @@LyonsArcade fancy having a look at my channel Im often diving into the unknown!!

  • @SethCohn23
    @SethCohn23 Год назад

    Pronunciation of the "u" is Micro
    As in the MicroP

  • @dougw3531
    @dougw3531 Год назад

    Very a-mew-zing! Bot bot bot (Gorf voice)

  • @ocsrc
    @ocsrc Год назад

    It says U11 or U12 is not working, that's the 4tg test that you are not getting a flash
    I didn't see where it says U8

  • @patrickmorrissey2271
    @patrickmorrissey2271 Год назад

    Geeteoh.... Like Gee Tee Ohhh, like the Pontiac GTO????

    • @geeteoh1
      @geeteoh1 Год назад

      Yep. Took inspiration from the 1966 GeeTO Tiger promo factory racers. Those were pronounced similar GEE TOE Tiger.

  • @fred_derf
    @fred_derf Год назад +1

    µP is pronounced Mew, Pee. (Mew, like "new" but with an m).

  • @TrapperAaron
    @TrapperAaron Год назад

    If u have to replace a board or controllers why not just use a raspberry Pi, and an arduino. For sound and video use the pi (it comes w audio out and hdmi) then u can even use the pi to program ur arduino on the fly. The arduino can handle all the controls without all the mechanical switching. You already have the complete manual just write the diagram into code or just grab it from MAME. If ur super lazy I'm sure someone has already written all of the controller code and probably even written the "game code" as well.

    • @geeteoh1
      @geeteoh1 Год назад

      They exist for these machines. Can customize the rules and everything. LISY MPU is one such device.

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Год назад +2

      TrapperAaron that's just fine, but when people like you throw that out there, you're coming from a position where you're able to buy off the shelf parts to do what you've done with it, and aren't thinking about all of the wiring you'd have to reconfigure in a machine to make that work. The things you're doing plug in with HDMI and USB, on this machine the lamp board for instance has about 80 wires going to it. So yeah you can use a Pi but then you have to hook 80 wires to it. So while it seems simple to you, because you're used to using off the shelf hardware and working with the software, there's a real hardware problem here, any Pi board would need a pretty significant adapter board to work.

  • @kenny31000
    @kenny31000 Год назад +2

    it SQUAKS!!

  • @Brendan_Keyport-WA7BMK
    @Brendan_Keyport-WA7BMK Год назад +1

    μP is literally "Microprocessor" Remember the crap we give each other over microfarad. μF is the same way.

  • @Sidman723
    @Sidman723 Год назад +1

    uP is short for microprocessor

  • @johnsommerfeld6889
    @johnsommerfeld6889 Год назад +1

    I would pronounce it as "G" "T" "O" like the car.

    • @envisionelectronics
      @envisionelectronics Год назад +1

      Oops saw your comment after I posted. Agreed

    • @johnsommerfeld6889
      @johnsommerfeld6889 Год назад

      @@envisionelectronics No worries. Keep putting out the great videos!

    • @johnsommerfeld6889
      @johnsommerfeld6889 Год назад

      @@envisionelectronics I replied really quickly on my phone and didn't realize who I was replying to. Ignore the part about making videos. 😊😊

  • @envisionelectronics
    @envisionelectronics Год назад +1

    I think the company is pronounced GTO - Gee Te Oh. EDIT: Looks like I’m not the only one 😅

  • @jimmyers8795
    @jimmyers8795 Год назад

    It means Micro Processor (mu = Micro)

  • @katiechesteen6879
    @katiechesteen6879 Год назад

    The "U" stands for micro🤣

  • @lileveretteyoakumiii
    @lileveretteyoakumiii Год назад +1

    Hello
    Yodelayheehoo

  • @PlumGurly
    @PlumGurly Год назад +1

    Microprocessor chip.

  • @jussikuusela7345
    @jussikuusela7345 Год назад +1

    You had 303 likes. Sorry to ruin the neat number for you.

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Год назад

      We don't mind, since it was you Jussi

  • @jasoncorreal8810
    @jasoncorreal8810 Год назад +1

    Oh Ron sorry but you are not a beat box!

  • @andymouse
    @andymouse Год назад

    What's wrong with "Hysteresis" ? as far as I know it means "the phenomenon in which the value of a physical property lags behind changes in the effect causing it, as for instance when magnetic induction lags behind the magnetizing force. has the loony left banned this as well ?....cheers. Yeah thats gotta be Barry White.

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Год назад +1

      Why does it start with 'Hyster" ?

    • @andymouse
      @andymouse Год назад

      @@LyonsArcade It's just a word used in all forms of engineering has been since the dawn of time I can assure you Ron its a vital thing to understand in some areas of Physics and Electronics and isn't a bad word I can assure you in fact its essential.

    • @Groundflyer
      @Groundflyer Год назад +1

      @@andymouse I can assure you, humor is a vital thing to understand in some areas of life

    • @andymouse
      @andymouse Год назад

      @@Groundflyer I do but in a world where people get upset if you call them a name I was interested WHY Ron thought this ..just curious

  • @sirgreybat
    @sirgreybat Год назад +1

    microprocessor

  • @andytipping70
    @andytipping70 Год назад

    u = micro

  • @brand-x7049
    @brand-x7049 Год назад +1

    Hysterisis: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hysteresis Note: not to be confused with Hysteria. 🙃

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Год назад

      It says the root of the word comes from "lagging behind", lol Wait until the women hear about this crap

    • @Groundflyer
      @Groundflyer Год назад +1

      @Brand-X, Also don't confuse this one: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedant

  • @a68k_de
    @a68k_de Год назад

    µ = "MICRO"
    uF = µF = micro farad

  • @ovalteen4404
    @ovalteen4404 Год назад +1

    Wow, those drop targets at the top are easy to knock down 🥸

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Год назад

      It's because the zipper flippers close so it's harder to lose the ball!