Hum, weak, i finish the jorney and i still trying to be sure that im happy with my choice, i chosse tenno, but i still like, " so whats happen to drifter, did i let him there ?"
@@omgwtfhaxfan1221003 I'd like if drifter had access to different focus trees based on these skills. Like one could change the smoke bomb into an incendiary grenade, or the health pack into a damage booster. I love the reliance on gadgets to punch above your weight archetype and Drifter really plays to that character. It's sad to see him as just a (admittedly cool) reskin for the operator.
This scene had so much weight for me when I had customized the Drifter to look like my Operator and it was a choice of two paths from which I walked one for years, went with Drifter though.
The fact that the adult operator is so cynical and chiding makes it SO MUCH BETTER! It's like all the horrifying experiences turned the operator from a depressed angsty child, into a cynical mentally scarred adult. Not far from reality when you think about it.
Except the Drifter didn't experience life as a Warframe operator. They spent all those 200+ years 'drifting' in the void, something with the Duviri paradox no doubt will touch on later. The classroom flashback touched on the multi-linear concept of time, where every possibility is just as real as the other. For whatever reason, Ballas' actions caused the reality of your Tenno becoming an Operator, and the reality of becoming the Drifter, to become the same reality. The two options were always the same person, but now, they both exist within the same chain of events. Multiverse theory is a bitch.
@@Morveyn It's not really multiverse theory. Eternalism is an unterstanding of the universe where time isn't a line, but three-dimensional. There are no "alternate timelines" in Warframe, just different points in space-time within our singular universe.
@@Morveyn My theory is the paradox is caused by the Man in the Wall. Since apparently our Operator accepting his proposition literally destroyed all other dimensions and existences of them and all other Tenno save for the one that got saved by Margulis and the one that did not, killing the Operator threatened the balance the MitW was maintaining. So he pulled the Drifter from the Zariman to take the Operator's place in a sense, but not in the same dimension. I'm not sure how to explain it, but I think we now exist in the Drifter's dimension where everything is more or less the same as ours. It feels like it doesn't make sense and yet I can't think that we're in the Operator's normal dimension. (Also apparently someone claimed the Tenno literally can't die thanks to the Man in the Wall?) Edit: After thinking about it some more, it might be the other way around where the Drifter now exists in the Operator's dimension.
When I got to that screen I was like "IS THIS PERMANENT? I DONT WANT TO LOSE MY COSMETICS" but still went with Drifter, relieved to see that you can switch back though.
What happened when you picked drifter? Dif+d you keep the drifter abilities? Because for me who picked operator, after the quest I could switch to drifter but they had all the operator's abilities
Sadly it doesnt make a difference drifter after this choice plays exactly as the operator so this choice is more cosmetic than anything, you do keep the pistol tho with the mechanics so thats cool
@@busterkoala5906 For the Man in the Wall it really worked, at least in my case. It looked uncanny, sure, but that just helped with the feeling of "this is something inhuman that's only mimicking a human form and it's expressions". ...but then during the final cutscene, my operator's eyelashes completely glitched out, so yeah, the faces are very far from perfect, heh
I guess I haven't customised my operator face much because my drifter looked very much like my operator by default, without the hair of course. I chose to take the drifter in this scene because I wanted to stick out the rest of the story with him and I had a hunch that there would be some lore hints from him, which I was correct about.
I was honestly a bit sad the drifter gameplay ended, it really removes how fast you can plow through, and forced you to really think how to go about fighting, I hope they add more of it in the future (as in repayable missions, cause I'm fairly sure the new war cant be replayed)
U can chnge back to drifter in your hub whernyou heve zenurik and other thinks (no idea what its called) and im nit sure if u have differen abilities but u have the choice.
@@lukinocholvad660 what I meant was being able to go on missions with the drifter and using the quest abilities, not just the appearance, but the whole thing
One thing this whole quest line really hammered home is that we tend to forget is just how retardedly overpowered warframes/tenno are compared to everything else
This scene reminded me of What Teshin said in the War Within: _"You exist on the fold between two worlds. The world we know, of blood and steel, and the world that watches and dreams, the Void."_
I customized my Drifter too, and he looks like older version of operator. Its one of the best moments from this quest. I loved this, but went with operator, and would always repeat this choice. But I'm glad that both of them are with me.
Yeah, I did the same, I just couldn't stand this haircut tbh xD While the Quest was going I made them look the same, but know I gave them completely different cosmetics and stuff to reflect their different journeys. I'm really looking forward to more cloth options tho
lol I totally felt the operator's confused silence @ 2:22 Trying to process wtf is going on Definitely made a lot more sense that we were shown a class about multiple timelines earlier. This also really helps tie in the adult operator with the Duviri Paradox.
It is also such a memeble image. I started chuckling when I saw my operator in pure confusion and disbelief with his hand at his head, trying to concentrate.
That classroom scene will always be funny to me because of hearing that one student say, “When will we ever use this stuff?” When it came to the whole time lesson and all I could think was, “you have no idea how relevant this stuff is to our Tenno lives buddy”
I think what I love most about this is how this scene completely subverts your expectations-you see a photo of what COULD be your parents, so you get this… feeling like… maybe this might be a hallucination or a dream, and you’re about to see maybe your mom or dad… turns out it’s you. My jaw hit the floor.
God I really wish we could use the bow in operator form, that would make it unique and valuable as a reward for this quest, as it is the bow and knife surely will be gathering dust in most arsenals
so from my understanding the drifter was not "the man in the wall" and the disturbing man in the wall from last scene after killing ballas is the actual "man in the wall", did I get it right?
The Drifter is your Operator from a “parallel possibility” in which they didn’t get rescued from the Zeramin. It’s what the class room scene about multiple timelines was about. The Man in the Wall is the eldritch entity that lives in the Void. It just takes the appearance of your Operator.
I mainly want them to make the operator clothes available on the Drifter, and vice versa. I have the harrier outfit for my tenno, and I would love to have that jacket on the Drifter, since I'm probably gonna stick to using them.
I think it would be cool that when(if) duviri ever comes out, theres a prequel quest that goes into the drifter’s backstory and how exactly they ended up finding the lotus. My theory right now (dunno if theres anything out there that disproves this yet) is that the plains of duviri are in the void, and that’s where the drifter’s zariman crashed and where hes been stuck. I guess when the operator and lotus are sent into the void, they end up there too and the drifter finds them and finds some way to leave the void from that encounter. Also, its interesting that it seems like the operator actually died, and in order to come back, now the drifter and the operator are sort of one entity I think?
Honestly I think your comment is the closest I’ve seen to answering this question. How tf did Drifter who says he’s been “stuck” be able to obtain the remnants of the lotus that was sucked into the void, as well as our deceased operator per being stabbed. So our operator was only able to come back through manifesting himself through drifter. Because in different timelines they are the same person. But once again what is the back story of drifter? If operator was able to escape the Zarriman Ten-0 and the Drifter was stuck how did he escape? And not have the powers that Tenno have. Lots of awesome questions that I look forward to have answered in the duviri paradox 🤌
They basically are in the same time line but at different points of reality. The classes the tennis go through the flashback about eternium etc are lessons about what is, can be or not be. The void can help them "shift" through different places in the "now". That's my understanding of those lessons. Bit of a mind boggles but it's cool
@@tateparker8112 I think the Drifter did not have powers because he is the "US" that did not take the Void powers from The Man in the Mirror.. while the Operator was the one that did. Warframe takes place in a world tgat believes in Eternalism that is why the Drifter and the Operator are paradoxes of each other.
@@smoothopurrator So basically, what you're saying is that they are technically in the same timeline, but different "states" of each other, made when the Zariman incident happened? Also, now that I think about it, all of those Operators collapsing one by one, every single one having a different reaction when we made the deal, makes me think that those were other different "states" of the operator i was talking abt, making the same deal, and having the same experience, but different ways, like with alt timelines in the same point of time having a collective shared moment. This also ties in with the class we had, and how they said that while many different timelines exist, they *might* have the same core main timeline experiences we may be having. And the Void jump they made with the Zariman may have collided with an alt timeline Zariman in the Void, making them exist at the same point in time. Either that was from the cutscene, or it just came off as a theory, but I feel it might tie in with how the Operator and Drifter can exist at the same time without any consequences, because when the Zariman incident happened, both of them had made the same deal at that point in time when the Operator came into play, making me believe that the Zariman may have some sort of memory bond with the void, and when the Operator came into the Zariman once again (maybe idk), making them linked by the Drifter being able to replay the memory of the deal, and making the same deal as well. And since he's an alternate version of the Operator, that means they essentially made a timeline where they both exist, but on different planes of reality, being able to switch places when they want to, this tying into my "different states" theory because the Drifter is, just like i said, a different 'state' of the operator, but essentially the same. He just had to exist on the different 'side' for a while before being discovered by the Operator and being able to make the deal. This is a theory, so be kind as to point things out, and maybe be able to provide evidence if you could, because even I don't fully understand the Paradox and how it happened, besides I'm just an MR8 lol
Think of the Operator themselves as a Void relic where choice is the reward. A Turning Point (the Zariman Ten-Zero) could be viewed as a fissure to satiate said relic. This scene is a metaphor for the Wave Function Collapse.
This sets up the Duviri Paradox for the future, and that's really cool. Also, I would've liked if the Drifter kept his abilities when getting the void powers, it was really fun to go around using them.
I don't get it. Why people expect Duviri dimension to appear in the future of Warframe only because the Drifter mentions it? It's like expecting Tony Stark to raise from the dead after people mentioning him in Spider Man: Homecoming. Well, definitely not the best analogy, but still. The Drifter has been in Duviri BEFORE the New War timeline. They got back to this "main" dimension where the Operator is. Yes, they tell about the Duviri where they've been stuck for many years but WHY do you expect it to be a possible next story in the Warframe timeline, I don't understand.
That's why i put my phone down I beat the new war and I enjoyed it without no spoilers and turned off region chat and QnA when I was doing it I had a blast and I went through alot of emotions and a happy tenno :)
So from what I figured out with how time doesn't exist in the void, when young operator got tossed into the void with lotus, the void spat drifter out and they brought lotus back with them. And of course drifter is us from an alternate timeline but they've been stuck in the void
I picked Operator because of how the Operator connects more to what’s been going on more than the Drifter. Like when you think about it, the Drifter was basically pulled out of the Void, somewhat told about all the shit that’s went down and is left to go from there. The Operator, meanwhile, actually lived through these things from the Old War, the Second Dream, the War Within, the Sacrifice, and the New War. The Operator has more of a stake in this than the Drifter as it’s honestly more personal for the Operator. This is the Operators battle, so it’s only right that it is the Operators job to finish it.
The drifter is definitely the cooler person and it honestly reminds me of when I was climbing through early warframe missions. I could go through with explosives blowing up the place or I could actually plan how I do stuff. Each equally as fun but one is way more engaging.
I feel bad for the people who did not put the hair on drifter when you first enter orbiter. They really need to fix that. Without the hair you can't even tell if it's you.
I yelped of happiness when i saw this choice, finally my character would not be a whiny child. No offence to anyone who likes the kid but i cant tolerate it,
The choice probably does matter, as if you pick the drifter the operator is now stuck on the zariman. I think being able to switch between the two is just a cosmetic choice like Lotus, what you actually picked will probably have a impact
This really is a hard choice, when you think this will be permanent: Operator is the OG timeline were we saw it all(second dream, war within, chains of harrow, apostasie, the sacrifice). Drifter had it rough thou the way he talks and moves says it all and the lotus means a lot to him as well.... I went with Drifter because adult me looks cool...
@@celphalonred1999 idk maybe it's the game? I chose the whitest skin for the drifter and she still looked like a lightskin African American. Unlike my operator which is white as snow
Would be neat if they made the operator and drifter switchable mid combat like maybe one of the ability slots or right stick or left stick to switch. They can equip differently, but maybe let them equip different focus trees too. To counter the spam operator for energy regen focus tree, spam drifter for damage focus tree to let the switch ability have a coold down. Maybe like the archgun deployer cool down.
Thing is it's still your character dosen't matter if you take drifter or tenno form it's the same ending cause in general it's two parts of one character doing the same thing
Only thing I hated about this choice is that the game did NOT handle Drifter's equipment very well for me. I still had the Mote Amp lying around in my inventory... and that ended up being the amp I was forced into using going into the final mission (even though I had moved on to a 1-2-3 amp at that point). If they weren't going to give me access to the Operator arsenal, they could have at least auto-equipped the Sirocco.
I Wonder in what timeline that dialogue and the whole zariman gameplay take place, part of me feels like all this is happening in the Tenno mind right after he got stabbed by ballas.
I picked Operator. Operator is who we are and who we've been for the past many years through all the stuff we went through in the story, sure the "Drifter" is basically us, physically atleast but they didnt go through what we did because of the eternalism blah blah stuff they never even left the void, so I feel like picking the drifter is basically abandoning all the stuff we've gone through with the Operator. Anyways just rambling lol.
My adult operator was bugged so I couldn’t see him at all during this scene. It was literally a floating tray coming to the table and me talking with John Cena😂
I felt like it hits harder when your operator is the one to save natah/lotus/margulas/whoever else is in her head at the give time of the day. Just felt better
I am not sure but the whistling I have been hearing sound so much like that of the music from the duviri paradox. I know I probably spelled the name wrong, but figured ppl will know what I mean.
From what i can understand, the Drifter is us that didnt get to sleep in Cryopod, which make us look age older, and the Operator is the Dreamer that get to sleep in and frozen and look younger. The reason the Drifter stuck there is because he didnt shake hand with the devil @ the Man in the Wall.
Don't know why but for me the drifter in this scene was invisible, i didn't even know that it was bug until i saw this video, it looked like it was something to do with void timeline shinanigans
Is it that important when you can at the end of the quest switch between drifter and operator? I loved this quest but idk i feel like definitive shoices would have more impact.
They probably will have impact in the future, much like the lotus choice I think the ability to switch is just for cosmetic reasons; what you actually picked will probably mattered
Me: Took like a solid 15 minutes to just pick
Warframe: "Confirm this choice"
Also me: Takes another 20 minutes to make sure I'm happy with the choice
Same
Same
Me too.
Hum, weak, i finish the jorney and i still trying to be sure that im happy with my choice, i chosse tenno, but i still like, " so whats happen to drifter, did i let him there ?"
Yea fr but 8n the end I choose the operator for it was his story overall
I wish the drifter was still able to use weapons it would have been cool to run stealth missions with him
They are saving that for the duviri paradox
I still wanted him to be able to use the bow and his 3 other abilities like the smokebomb and the sonar. They were niche but they were cool
@@omgwtfhaxfan1221003 I'd like if drifter had access to different focus trees based on these skills.
Like one could change the smoke bomb into an incendiary grenade, or the health pack into a damage booster.
I love the reliance on gadgets to punch above your weight archetype and Drifter really plays to that character. It's sad to see him as just a (admittedly cool) reskin for the operator.
Or riding the k-drive
Yeah but the weapon never really was stealth in the story mode, also you can equip it on him after the story, but I get ya ;-)
This scene had so much weight for me when I had customized the Drifter to look like my Operator and it was a choice of two paths from which I walked one for years, went with Drifter though.
what changes in the story? or is it just the same but with the drifter instead of operator
@@snadthe4671
I would expect the story to be the same just with the Drifter skin and voicelines.
The drifter is cooler, just sayin facts
@@snadthe4671 Well, I guess we'll find out in the Duviri Paradox questline
I didn't realize u could customize the drifter until after, i wish i could replay the quest ;/
The fact that the adult operator is so cynical and chiding makes it SO MUCH BETTER! It's like all the horrifying experiences turned the operator from a depressed angsty child, into a cynical mentally scarred adult. Not far from reality when you think about it.
Except the Drifter didn't experience life as a Warframe operator. They spent all those 200+ years 'drifting' in the void, something with the Duviri paradox no doubt will touch on later. The classroom flashback touched on the multi-linear concept of time, where every possibility is just as real as the other. For whatever reason, Ballas' actions caused the reality of your Tenno becoming an Operator, and the reality of becoming the Drifter, to become the same reality. The two options were always the same person, but now, they both exist within the same chain of events.
Multiverse theory is a bitch.
@@Morveyn It's not really multiverse theory. Eternalism is an unterstanding of the universe where time isn't a line, but three-dimensional.
There are no "alternate timelines" in Warframe, just different points in space-time within our singular universe.
@@Morveyn My theory is the paradox is caused by the Man in the Wall. Since apparently our Operator accepting his proposition literally destroyed all other dimensions and existences of them and all other Tenno save for the one that got saved by Margulis and the one that did not, killing the Operator threatened the balance the MitW was maintaining. So he pulled the Drifter from the Zariman to take the Operator's place in a sense, but not in the same dimension. I'm not sure how to explain it, but I think we now exist in the Drifter's dimension where everything is more or less the same as ours.
It feels like it doesn't make sense and yet I can't think that we're in the Operator's normal dimension. (Also apparently someone claimed the Tenno literally can't die thanks to the Man in the Wall?)
Edit: After thinking about it some more, it might be the other way around where the Drifter now exists in the Operator's dimension.
Operator: how did you become so badass?
Drifter: I wasn't rescued.
@@gregory8859 hahaha
When I got to that screen I was like "IS THIS PERMANENT? I DONT WANT TO LOSE MY COSMETICS" but still went with Drifter, relieved to see that you can switch back though.
What happened when you picked drifter? Dif+d you keep the drifter abilities? Because for me who picked operator, after the quest I could switch to drifter but they had all the operator's abilities
Sadly it doesnt make a difference drifter after this choice plays exactly as the operator so this choice is more cosmetic than anything, you do keep the pistol tho with the mechanics so thats cool
@@alphads2000 You also keep the INSANE bow
@@dualityofequinox do we keep the bow after the quest?
@@shadowmaker680 it’s the same for the drifter. U get the operator abilities
This scene hits way different when you customize the drifter to resemble your operator, but still that smile during the choice is uncanny
every smile is uncanny valley I hate it so much. The first man in the wall scene was awful
@@busterkoala5906 For the Man in the Wall it really worked, at least in my case. It looked uncanny, sure, but that just helped with the feeling of "this is something inhuman that's only mimicking a human form and it's expressions".
...but then during the final cutscene, my operator's eyelashes completely glitched out, so yeah, the faces are very far from perfect, heh
I guess I haven't customised my operator face much because my drifter looked very much like my operator by default, without the hair of course. I chose to take the drifter in this scene because I wanted to stick out the rest of the story with him and I had a hunch that there would be some lore hints from him, which I was correct about.
The Lotus smiled in the end when she fell and Wally went away °-°
@@HiddelMOB the problem was it just looked like bad facial animations
"Not here, exactly"
and then
"Can't be harder than riding a horse can it?"
Duviri
Not to mention choosing Drifter then doing the railjack sequence to raid the sun leads to Drifter saying:"should've stayed in Duviri"
@@FernPowered Nice! I chose operator, is there a complete video with the Drifter anywhere?
Unfortunately no. Not that I've seen and I play on switch so there goes that... :P
I was honestly a bit sad the drifter gameplay ended, it really removes how fast you can plow through, and forced you to really think how to go about fighting, I hope they add more of it in the future (as in repayable missions, cause I'm fairly sure the new war cant be replayed)
U can chnge back to drifter in your hub whernyou heve zenurik and other thinks (no idea what its called) and im nit sure if u have differen abilities but u have the choice.
@@lukinocholvad660 what I meant was being able to go on missions with the drifter and using the quest abilities, not just the appearance, but the whole thing
Don't worry, duviri paradox should be all about the drifter.
One thing this whole quest line really hammered home is that we tend to forget is just how retardedly overpowered warframes/tenno are compared to everything else
They said its very close to being repayable, they will add it eventually.
The choices you did in the first playthrough are the ones that count tho.
The funny thing is that the Drifter mentions the Horse Scene from teh Dvuri paradox during the New War
When?
@@MrBlackace17 When you choose to finish the story as them. They have to try out a WF for the first time.
Not just that but when you're in your Railjack heading to the sun if you're the drifter he will say "I should have stayed on Duviri"
And the whistling matches the Duviri melody
@@VortexKiller2 oh shit, how the hell did that slip my mind lmao, guess thats that then.
This scene reminded me of What Teshin said in the War Within:
_"You exist on the fold between two worlds. The world we know, of blood and steel, and the world that watches and dreams, the Void."_
F in chat for teshin
F
@@hecunotmakingalogisquad5785 we have: red teshin
Custom lotus
Birdis
Old man with cool gun
Teshin………..
By this point in A New War, I think most forgot Teshin died..
DE really did a great job using the choice system here
I customized my Drifter too, and he looks like older version of operator. Its one of the best moments from this quest. I loved this, but went with operator, and would always repeat this choice. But I'm glad that both of them are with me.
Yeah, I did the same, I just couldn't stand this haircut tbh xD
While the Quest was going I made them look the same, but know I gave them completely different cosmetics and stuff to reflect their different journeys. I'm really looking forward to more cloth options tho
I went with drifter because I think my drifter looks fucking amazing and I thought I could only have one afterwards lol i'd much rather be older
''SHE'S TRYING TO KILL US''
No shit...
Love that line.
same here 😊
I just realized this, the Drifter whistling is the very same background music used in the Duviri Paradox trailer
finally someone that notice it, it was great !!
lol I totally felt the operator's confused silence @ 2:22
Trying to process wtf is going on
Definitely made a lot more sense that we were shown a class about multiple timelines earlier.
This also really helps tie in the adult operator with the Duviri Paradox.
It is also such a memeble image. I started chuckling when I saw my operator in pure confusion and disbelief with his hand at his head, trying to concentrate.
@@SpiderMan-xw8wh hell, I'd argue this whole conversation is a meme.
That classroom scene will always be funny to me because of hearing that one student say, “When will we ever use this stuff?” When it came to the whole time lesson and all I could think was, “you have no idea how relevant this stuff is to our Tenno lives buddy”
I think what I love most about this is how this scene completely subverts your expectations-you see a photo of what COULD be your parents, so you get this… feeling like… maybe this might be a hallucination or a dream, and you’re about to see maybe your mom or dad… turns out it’s you. My jaw hit the floor.
it's like:
Drifter = HARD MODE
Operator = EASY MODE
Does anyone noticed the change in the pets. The dogs hair looks more realistic and looks way better than before
I noticed that too :O
2:17 the fucking cut to the operator in the that pose it the best
God I really wish we could use the bow in operator form, that would make it unique and valuable as a reward for this quest, as it is the bow and knife surely will be gathering dust in most arsenals
the bow is literally insane though. will definitely not be collecting dust in a lot of peoples arsenals for sure
The bow goes over 100 crit rate with just one mod tho, I'd say you'll be seeing it a lot.
@@Maciknaw it’s not a AOE nuke-gun like Bramma, Zarr and Envoy so it won’t be used that much.
@@MarcelJ17 Aoe is not even necesary since we are already overkill.
And if anything, that bow slaps
@@MarcelJ17 AOE guns are not the end all be all of warframe. Guns that can hit funny red numbers? now that’s what we’re talking about
so from my understanding the drifter was not "the man in the wall" and the disturbing man in the wall from last scene after killing ballas is the actual "man in the wall", did I get it right?
The whistling one is drifter. "rap-tap-tap" or "knocking" one is the wall man.
The Drifter is your Operator from a “parallel possibility” in which they didn’t get rescued from the Zeramin. It’s what the class room scene about multiple timelines was about.
The Man in the Wall is the eldritch entity that lives in the Void. It just takes the appearance of your Operator.
That last scene with the frickin totem thing comming out of nowhere was kinda funny to me ngl
Man in the wall is anything it wants to be or has to.
@@ninboy01 i dont understand how he ended up on earth though
I just hope we get the Operator clothes for the Drifter in an update.
Agreed, i always use the infested outfit for mine, hope i can throw em on my drifter at some point and my umbra scarf...
True! Where are my clothes?! I’m gonna be mad if they make me buy them again.
I wanna put smelter gear on my drifter to go full deadspace.
I mainly want them to make the operator clothes available on the Drifter, and vice versa. I have the harrier outfit for my tenno, and I would love to have that jacket on the Drifter, since I'm probably gonna stick to using them.
@@celphalonred1999 i think its obvious.
Cause we have Zeprhyr deluxe clothes on Operator
I think it would be cool that when(if) duviri ever comes out, theres a prequel quest that goes into the drifter’s backstory and how exactly they ended up finding the lotus. My theory right now (dunno if theres anything out there that disproves this yet) is that the plains of duviri are in the void, and that’s where the drifter’s zariman crashed and where hes been stuck. I guess when the operator and lotus are sent into the void, they end up there too and the drifter finds them and finds some way to leave the void from that encounter.
Also, its interesting that it seems like the operator actually died, and in order to come back, now the drifter and the operator are sort of one entity I think?
Honestly I think your comment is the closest I’ve seen to answering this question. How tf did Drifter who says he’s been “stuck” be able to obtain the remnants of the lotus that was sucked into the void, as well as our deceased operator per being stabbed.
So our operator was only able to come back through manifesting himself through drifter. Because in different timelines they are the same person. But once again what is the back story of drifter? If operator was able to escape the Zarriman Ten-0 and the Drifter was stuck how did he escape? And not have the powers that Tenno have. Lots of awesome questions that I look forward to have answered in the duviri paradox 🤌
They basically are in the same time line but at different points of reality. The classes the tennis go through the flashback about eternium etc are lessons about what is, can be or not be. The void can help them "shift" through different places in the "now". That's my understanding of those lessons. Bit of a mind boggles but it's cool
@@tateparker8112 I think the Drifter did not have powers because he is the "US" that did not take the Void powers from The Man in the Mirror.. while the Operator was the one that did. Warframe takes place in a world tgat believes in Eternalism that is why the Drifter and the Operator are paradoxes of each other.
@@smoothopurrator So basically, what you're saying is that they are technically in the same timeline, but different "states" of each other, made when the Zariman incident happened? Also, now that I think about it, all of those Operators collapsing one by one, every single one having a different reaction when we made the deal, makes me think that those were other different "states" of the operator i was talking abt, making the same deal, and having the same experience, but different ways, like with alt timelines in the same point of time having a collective shared moment. This also ties in with the class we had, and how they said that while many different timelines exist, they *might* have the same core main timeline experiences we may be having.
And the Void jump they made with the Zariman may have collided with an alt timeline Zariman in the Void, making them exist at the same point in time. Either that was from the cutscene, or it just came off as a theory, but I feel it might tie in with how the Operator and Drifter can exist at the same time without any consequences, because when the Zariman incident happened, both of them had made the same deal at that point in time when the Operator came into play, making me believe that the Zariman may have some sort of memory bond with the void, and when the Operator came into the Zariman once again (maybe idk), making them linked by the Drifter being able to replay the memory of the deal, and making the same deal as well.
And since he's an alternate version of the Operator, that means they essentially made a timeline where they both exist, but on different planes of reality, being able to switch places when they want to, this tying into my "different states" theory because the Drifter is, just like i said, a different 'state' of the operator, but essentially the same. He just had to exist on the different 'side' for a while before being discovered by the Operator and being able to make the deal. This is a theory, so be kind as to point things out, and maybe be able to provide evidence if you could, because even I don't fully understand the Paradox and how it happened, besides I'm just an MR8 lol
Think of the Operator themselves as a Void relic where choice is the reward. A Turning Point (the Zariman Ten-Zero) could be viewed as a fissure to satiate said relic. This scene is a metaphor for the Wave Function Collapse.
This sets up the Duviri Paradox for the future, and that's really cool.
Also, I would've liked if the Drifter kept his abilities when getting the void powers, it was really fun to go around using them.
There are a lot of references to the duviri paradox, and duviri itself. The drifter even mentions riding a horse
I don't get it. Why people expect Duviri dimension to appear in the future of Warframe only because the Drifter mentions it? It's like expecting Tony Stark to raise from the dead after people mentioning him in Spider Man: Homecoming. Well, definitely not the best analogy, but still. The Drifter has been in Duviri BEFORE the New War timeline. They got back to this "main" dimension where the Operator is. Yes, they tell about the Duviri where they've been stuck for many years but WHY do you expect it to be a possible next story in the Warframe timeline, I don't understand.
@@alixey59 DE explicitly stated that Duviri will be the next open world.
@@alixey59 Because it's going to be the next open world?
@@alixey59 little did the poor star child know,one year from now,DE would kick him in the testicales,and prove him wrong
I just woke up, open RUclips and already see spoilers 💔
That's why i put my phone down I beat the new war and I enjoyed it without no spoilers and turned off region chat and QnA when I was doing it I had a blast and I went through alot of emotions and a happy tenno :)
Finally warframe cussing lol
They have done it for a while, darvo and nora night being prime examples
So from what I figured out with how time doesn't exist in the void, when young operator got tossed into the void with lotus, the void spat drifter out and they brought lotus back with them. And of course drifter is us from an alternate timeline but they've been stuck in the void
Really the drifter reveal should open into a customization menu. Took a lot of players some time to figure out they could do that during the quest.
It's visibly to your left as you load in to that part of the quest
Oh, thats why so many stick with that haircut, I was already questioning my taste xD
I picked Operator because of how the Operator connects more to what’s been going on more than the Drifter. Like when you think about it, the Drifter was basically pulled out of the Void, somewhat told about all the shit that’s went down and is left to go from there. The Operator, meanwhile, actually lived through these things from the Old War, the Second Dream, the War Within, the Sacrifice, and the New War. The Operator has more of a stake in this than the Drifter as it’s honestly more personal for the Operator. This is the Operators battle, so it’s only right that it is the Operators job to finish it.
Fun fact, my operators hair is pink. So was the mother's hair in the picture
What? My Operator is blonde,I didn't notice the hair color. I have to check this out now.
Because pink is a color that gets inherited..
I just realized that the drifter is right handed and the smol drifter is left handed
What
2:23 is the best reaction for this whole thing. I can hear the operator asking "WTF is happening right now?"
i was laughing at that point of the quest. :D
That reaction and the shit eating grin the man in the wall made as the operator were hilarious
0:59 was my response throughout the quest, start to finish, what a fever dream
But in a good way, at least for lore nerds like me
@@IamaPERSON yes. Also, MAN IN THE WALL.
ON THE WALL.
@@dascreeb5205 "DAVID CAGE, YOU'VE DONE IT AGAIN!" Props if you get the reference
@@IamaPERSON I've just realised, our greatest threat is now a wall.
@@dascreeb5205 ...huh, now I'm just waiting for people to make that a meme.
The drifter is definitely the cooler person and it honestly reminds me of when I was climbing through early warframe missions. I could go through with explosives blowing up the place or I could actually plan how I do stuff. Each equally as fun but one is way more engaging.
Actually stuck to the adult operator…. Probably because I liked his aesthetics as a grineer survivor
Best part, once you finish the new war . You can switch between them :)
so, from what I could deduce, our operator become a living, breathing Schrodinger's cat?
2:22 is so perfect did the same as i was at that part irl
I wish I had been recording it myself, loved this scene with Raven
I chose operator for this personally.
Drifter had their time to shine but this is the Operators business in the end
Maybe the operator was my character this whole time, but as CY said "it's time to grow up" so I went with the Drifter
Bro took it literally XD
I immediately fashioned my Drifter to look as close as possible to Operator
In the end I picked Drifter
Man these voice recasts will take some getting used to. Still have "my warframe is strong" stuck in my head
I feel bad for the people who did not put the hair on drifter when you first enter orbiter. They really need to fix that. Without the hair you can't even tell if it's you.
Seeing people eat and drink in Warframe is downright surreal.
2:23
So much meme potential.
I yelped of happiness when i saw this choice, finally my character would not be a whiny child. No offence to anyone who likes the kid but i cant tolerate it,
I love how awkward and jarring this cutscene is. Exactly what would happen if I met my future/paradox/alternate timeline self!
0:58
literally me at this exact point in the story
I picked Drifter. because I no longer want to be smol-fry
We are a walking paradox
Walking *Duviri* paradox
"Most important choice"
Lol at the end you can use them both. DE had me sweating for a moment, like my choice really mattered this time ahah
True i was sitting there for like 5 minutes thinking about it
The choice probably does matter, as if you pick the drifter the operator is now stuck on the zariman. I think being able to switch between the two is just a cosmetic choice like Lotus, what you actually picked will probably have a impact
@@spartadragonrider probably on the next story right? Could be leading up to duviri paradox
@@spartadragonrider probably only the Lotus choice will have an impact cause is the only one where an irreversible warning appeared
@@logicerrormusic i think that was just "you can pick one as a freebie because you´ll have to buy the other two afterwards!"
If you choose drifter you can freely swap between operator and drifter. I am glad i chose drifter
same with operator, it doesn't really matter
No matter how many times I listen to it I can’t figure out what they’re talking about fir the first half of the conversation
I spent a good 10 minutes trying to decide then said "I've been a child long enough"
Mans been mewing in the void for infinity
This really is a hard choice, when you think this will be permanent: Operator is the OG timeline were we saw it all(second dream, war within, chains of harrow, apostasie, the sacrifice). Drifter had it rough thou the way he talks and moves says it all and the lotus means a lot to him as well....
I went with Drifter because adult me looks cool...
It doesn't really matter.
i absolutely loved this scene
Man, I was so beyond happy to not have to play as a child lol
Drifter's developed sarcasm was the best cherry on top
Play warfram
I like the fact he whistles the song from the duviri trailer and makes references to it
that's the most awkward conversation i've ever seen
The Duviri paradox better explain this because I’m confused…
Still can't understand how I managed to turn from white boy to afrocaribbean man in 10 years, still enjoyed it though
@Urazz You still can't make the character white tho.
Yea was bald lol, had to remake my ruby rose look lol.
@@cephydash1533 i mean, my drifter has white skin, as pale as mine irl lol
@@celphalonred1999 idk maybe it's the game? I chose the whitest skin for the drifter and she still looked like a lightskin African American. Unlike my operator which is white as snow
Would be neat if they made the operator and drifter switchable mid combat like maybe one of the ability slots or right stick or left stick to switch. They can equip differently, but maybe let them equip different focus trees too.
To counter the spam operator for energy regen focus tree, spam drifter for damage focus tree to let the switch ability have a coold down. Maybe like the archgun deployer cool down.
Thing is it's still your character dosen't matter if you take drifter or tenno form it's the same ending cause in general it's two parts of one character doing the same thing
Only thing I hated about this choice is that the game did NOT handle Drifter's equipment very well for me. I still had the Mote Amp lying around in my inventory... and that ended up being the amp I was forced into using going into the final mission (even though I had moved on to a 1-2-3 amp at that point). If they weren't going to give me access to the Operator arsenal, they could have at least auto-equipped the Sirocco.
Man I love these multi-verse, sit down with yourself scenes... So glad Warframe did this. XD
You know, this quest was awesome, but I hated when I first see the face of my drifter, fcking Bat face
I already Miss Teshin
Not exactly how i expected to get the adult version of our tenno, but welcome nonetheless
I Wonder in what timeline that dialogue and the whole zariman gameplay take place, part of me feels like all this is happening in the Tenno mind right after he got stabbed by ballas.
i went for the operator because drifters faces gave me nightmares
His face was based on you operators' custom face but somehow made it worse.
@@no-bodymr6419 it looked like those resident evil videos with 5000% facial animation
Quest has been out less than a day and you feel the need to put this without hiding anything in the title.
I thought it's not spoiler. I'm sorry very much about it. I changed the title.
@@fitzqutokuquickguides4528 it is a spoiler
stop crying and dont watch it
Ended up the choice don't matter at all at this moment.
Actualy, whole new wars is one big WTF!
I picked Operator. Operator is who we are and who we've been for the past many years through all the stuff we went through in the story, sure the "Drifter" is basically us, physically atleast but they didnt go through what we did because of the eternalism blah blah stuff they never even left the void, so I feel like picking the drifter is basically abandoning all the stuff we've gone through with the Operator. Anyways just rambling lol.
Operators confusion is pretty much describes me when im trying to understand what the hell is happening in Warframe story
2:23 Operator pondering his orb.
and to think this started as a corridor shooter in 2013. great job DE!
It started much earlier with dark sector..
My adult operator was bugged so I couldn’t see him at all during this scene. It was literally a floating tray coming to the table and me talking with John Cena😂
I find it hard to believe that anyone wouldn't stick with the Operator after all they've done.
how many people didn't even give a second of thinking and just selected the drifter?
You can customize the drifter.
Apparently he the drifter is the older version of our operator just out operator without the lotus took me a little while to figure out
So... The drifter is the version of us that stayed in the void?
Male Drifter looks like a 35 year old. I played as female and my Drifter gave more... big sister vibes. As though Op was 15 and Drift was 23
TBH the bald head isnt doing any gender any favors here.
@@IplayTeemoasaWard you can customise the Drifter's look as soon as you can see their face.
@@thekingofcookies4877 do you know if you can customize hair style?
@@IamaPERSON Definitely, that is the first thing I did.
@@thekingofcookies4877 do you know what part of the appearance menu it's in? Because I can't find it.
Im amazed umbra didnt had anything to do with the quest. Not sure why.
Umbra didn't work properly for me in the boss fight, he acted like regular Excalibur.
@@thekingofcookies4877 i meant story-wised, he hates the crap out of ballas.
I was sure he wont be just left there, glad they brought the stalker back
I felt like it hits harder when your operator is the one to save natah/lotus/margulas/whoever else is in her head at the give time of the day. Just felt better
I like how when i looking at those choice, i said without hesitation:“ why dont we just let the adult handle the situations” 😂
I am not sure but the whistling I have been hearing sound so much like that of the music from the duviri paradox. I know I probably spelled the name wrong, but figured ppl will know what I mean.
It's not an important choice, just who you play for the rest of that one mission
So this confirms two variations of the same timeline just merging both choices were correct
I chose the MIGHTY SEER
Mighty seerocco
From what i can understand, the Drifter is us that didnt get to sleep in Cryopod, which make us look age older, and the Operator is the Dreamer that get to sleep in and frozen and look younger. The reason the Drifter stuck there is because he didnt shake hand with the devil @ the Man in the Wall.
Don't know why but for me the drifter in this scene was invisible, i didn't even know that it was bug until i saw this video, it looked like it was something to do with void timeline shinanigans
btw, That photo with the mother and father changes depending on our hair color. It's just a simple hair color change for the mother.
Is it that important when you can at the end of the quest switch between drifter and operator? I loved this quest but idk i feel like definitive shoices would have more impact.
They probably will have impact in the future, much like the lotus choice I think the ability to switch is just for cosmetic reasons; what you actually picked will probably mattered
Gotta ask, am I the only one who had trouble customizing their male Drifter?
Also I love how the Drifter acts.
I loved this interaction. Though I actually picked the Drifter to save Lotus
Oh god it's really was a bug. In my mission adult version was invisible. So talk to nothing. And his voice was like child.