Hum, weak, i finish the jorney and i still trying to be sure that im happy with my choice, i chosse tenno, but i still like, " so whats happen to drifter, did i let him there ?"
The fact that the adult operator is so cynical and chiding makes it SO MUCH BETTER! It's like all the horrifying experiences turned the operator from a depressed angsty child, into a cynical mentally scarred adult. Not far from reality when you think about it.
Except the Drifter didn't experience life as a Warframe operator. They spent all those 200+ years 'drifting' in the void, something with the Duviri paradox no doubt will touch on later. The classroom flashback touched on the multi-linear concept of time, where every possibility is just as real as the other. For whatever reason, Ballas' actions caused the reality of your Tenno becoming an Operator, and the reality of becoming the Drifter, to become the same reality. The two options were always the same person, but now, they both exist within the same chain of events. Multiverse theory is a bitch.
@@Morveyn It's not really multiverse theory. Eternalism is an unterstanding of the universe where time isn't a line, but three-dimensional. There are no "alternate timelines" in Warframe, just different points in space-time within our singular universe.
@@Morveyn My theory is the paradox is caused by the Man in the Wall. Since apparently our Operator accepting his proposition literally destroyed all other dimensions and existences of them and all other Tenno save for the one that got saved by Margulis and the one that did not, killing the Operator threatened the balance the MitW was maintaining. So he pulled the Drifter from the Zariman to take the Operator's place in a sense, but not in the same dimension. I'm not sure how to explain it, but I think we now exist in the Drifter's dimension where everything is more or less the same as ours. It feels like it doesn't make sense and yet I can't think that we're in the Operator's normal dimension. (Also apparently someone claimed the Tenno literally can't die thanks to the Man in the Wall?) Edit: After thinking about it some more, it might be the other way around where the Drifter now exists in the Operator's dimension.
@@omgwtfhaxfan1221003 I'd like if drifter had access to different focus trees based on these skills. Like one could change the smoke bomb into an incendiary grenade, or the health pack into a damage booster. I love the reliance on gadgets to punch above your weight archetype and Drifter really plays to that character. It's sad to see him as just a (admittedly cool) reskin for the operator.
This scene reminded me of What Teshin said in the War Within: _"You exist on the fold between two worlds. The world we know, of blood and steel, and the world that watches and dreams, the Void."_
This scene had so much weight for me when I had customized the Drifter to look like my Operator and it was a choice of two paths from which I walked one for years, went with Drifter though.
When I got to that screen I was like "IS THIS PERMANENT? I DONT WANT TO LOSE MY COSMETICS" but still went with Drifter, relieved to see that you can switch back though.
What happened when you picked drifter? Dif+d you keep the drifter abilities? Because for me who picked operator, after the quest I could switch to drifter but they had all the operator's abilities
Sadly it doesnt make a difference drifter after this choice plays exactly as the operator so this choice is more cosmetic than anything, you do keep the pistol tho with the mechanics so thats cool
@@busterkoala5906 For the Man in the Wall it really worked, at least in my case. It looked uncanny, sure, but that just helped with the feeling of "this is something inhuman that's only mimicking a human form and it's expressions". ...but then during the final cutscene, my operator's eyelashes completely glitched out, so yeah, the faces are very far from perfect, heh
I guess I haven't customised my operator face much because my drifter looked very much like my operator by default, without the hair of course. I chose to take the drifter in this scene because I wanted to stick out the rest of the story with him and I had a hunch that there would be some lore hints from him, which I was correct about.
I was honestly a bit sad the drifter gameplay ended, it really removes how fast you can plow through, and forced you to really think how to go about fighting, I hope they add more of it in the future (as in repayable missions, cause I'm fairly sure the new war cant be replayed)
U can chnge back to drifter in your hub whernyou heve zenurik and other thinks (no idea what its called) and im nit sure if u have differen abilities but u have the choice.
@@lukinocholvad660 what I meant was being able to go on missions with the drifter and using the quest abilities, not just the appearance, but the whole thing
One thing this whole quest line really hammered home is that we tend to forget is just how retardedly overpowered warframes/tenno are compared to everything else
I customized my Drifter too, and he looks like older version of operator. Its one of the best moments from this quest. I loved this, but went with operator, and would always repeat this choice. But I'm glad that both of them are with me.
Yeah, I did the same, I just couldn't stand this haircut tbh xD While the Quest was going I made them look the same, but know I gave them completely different cosmetics and stuff to reflect their different journeys. I'm really looking forward to more cloth options tho
The hardest part is moving on.. Literally spent ten minutes, very fondly I may add remembering my time as an operator and reminiscing over it. But times change and with them we must to. FOR MY BROTHERS
@@lucaswilliams2292 Fair enough lol but i loved the drifters personality and his outfit alone was pretty sweet so i chose him. Also because of his abilities but ah.. Sadly we couldn’t use it even if you chose him.
lol I totally felt the operator's confused silence @ 2:22 Trying to process wtf is going on Definitely made a lot more sense that we were shown a class about multiple timelines earlier. This also really helps tie in the adult operator with the Duviri Paradox.
It is also such a memeble image. I started chuckling when I saw my operator in pure confusion and disbelief with his hand at his head, trying to concentrate.
That classroom scene will always be funny to me because of hearing that one student say, “When will we ever use this stuff?” When it came to the whole time lesson and all I could think was, “you have no idea how relevant this stuff is to our Tenno lives buddy”
The Drifter whistle somehow is nostalgic to me and brings the sensation of hope and happiness, even after all that happened in New War, I just love the character and especially, his/her whistle
I think what I love most about this is how this scene completely subverts your expectations-you see a photo of what COULD be your parents, so you get this… feeling like… maybe this might be a hallucination or a dream, and you’re about to see maybe your mom or dad… turns out it’s you. My jaw hit the floor.
I think it would be cool that when(if) duviri ever comes out, theres a prequel quest that goes into the drifter’s backstory and how exactly they ended up finding the lotus. My theory right now (dunno if theres anything out there that disproves this yet) is that the plains of duviri are in the void, and that’s where the drifter’s zariman crashed and where hes been stuck. I guess when the operator and lotus are sent into the void, they end up there too and the drifter finds them and finds some way to leave the void from that encounter. Also, its interesting that it seems like the operator actually died, and in order to come back, now the drifter and the operator are sort of one entity I think?
Honestly I think your comment is the closest I’ve seen to answering this question. How tf did Drifter who says he’s been “stuck” be able to obtain the remnants of the lotus that was sucked into the void, as well as our deceased operator per being stabbed. So our operator was only able to come back through manifesting himself through drifter. Because in different timelines they are the same person. But once again what is the back story of drifter? If operator was able to escape the Zarriman Ten-0 and the Drifter was stuck how did he escape? And not have the powers that Tenno have. Lots of awesome questions that I look forward to have answered in the duviri paradox 🤌
They basically are in the same time line but at different points of reality. The classes the tennis go through the flashback about eternium etc are lessons about what is, can be or not be. The void can help them "shift" through different places in the "now". That's my understanding of those lessons. Bit of a mind boggles but it's cool
@@tateparker8112 I think the Drifter did not have powers because he is the "US" that did not take the Void powers from The Man in the Mirror.. while the Operator was the one that did. Warframe takes place in a world tgat believes in Eternalism that is why the Drifter and the Operator are paradoxes of each other.
@@smoothopurrator So basically, what you're saying is that they are technically in the same timeline, but different "states" of each other, made when the Zariman incident happened? Also, now that I think about it, all of those Operators collapsing one by one, every single one having a different reaction when we made the deal, makes me think that those were other different "states" of the operator i was talking abt, making the same deal, and having the same experience, but different ways, like with alt timelines in the same point of time having a collective shared moment. This also ties in with the class we had, and how they said that while many different timelines exist, they *might* have the same core main timeline experiences we may be having. And the Void jump they made with the Zariman may have collided with an alt timeline Zariman in the Void, making them exist at the same point in time. Either that was from the cutscene, or it just came off as a theory, but I feel it might tie in with how the Operator and Drifter can exist at the same time without any consequences, because when the Zariman incident happened, both of them had made the same deal at that point in time when the Operator came into play, making me believe that the Zariman may have some sort of memory bond with the void, and when the Operator came into the Zariman once again (maybe idk), making them linked by the Drifter being able to replay the memory of the deal, and making the same deal as well. And since he's an alternate version of the Operator, that means they essentially made a timeline where they both exist, but on different planes of reality, being able to switch places when they want to, this tying into my "different states" theory because the Drifter is, just like i said, a different 'state' of the operator, but essentially the same. He just had to exist on the different 'side' for a while before being discovered by the Operator and being able to make the deal. This is a theory, so be kind as to point things out, and maybe be able to provide evidence if you could, because even I don't fully understand the Paradox and how it happened, besides I'm just an MR8 lol
Think of the Operator themselves as a Void relic where choice is the reward. A Turning Point (the Zariman Ten-Zero) could be viewed as a fissure to satiate said relic. This scene is a metaphor for the Wave Function Collapse.
I stuck with my operator in my opinion the operator (even before we knew the operator existed) is the character I have been playing for almost a decade so I felt like just ditching him for some other version that's done jack for all that time felt kinda sucky I also wasn't sure if the change was permanent and whether I would lose access to amps and such it was kinda unclear. Still for me it was like one version did the years of grinding to get the cool frames and meta builds them some other guy comes along and is like that's mine now. Edit: I am aware you can change it I'm just talking from the point of view of the first choice when it wasn't clear that you could
i didn’t like playing as a “child” so I gladly switched to him, but also hesitated, in my Headcanon atm it’s just my Operator but older 🤷🏻♂️ Also you can Switch anytime after which I think is amazing
@@JodyrJoestar exactly I actually love that I can play as an adult operator. But I can't lie the thought of loosing the child version crossed my mind. Lol
@@deltaprimis3045 @ DannyWongloising yeah not gonna lie I was conflicted as hell as like said kinda felt bad that he was trapped alone for ages then was given a chance to do something then kinda of abandoned, I don't know if it's canon that you can just switch but gathering by the last cutscenes it is so I guess they are both just switching places whenever they feel like having a break
If I had to choose 1 drifter ability to be made permanent it would be the 1, Giving all operators a free cooldown based heal would be a nice new player helper
so from my understanding the drifter was not "the man in the wall" and the disturbing man in the wall from last scene after killing ballas is the actual "man in the wall", did I get it right?
The Drifter is your Operator from a “parallel possibility” in which they didn’t get rescued from the Zeramin. It’s what the class room scene about multiple timelines was about. The Man in the Wall is the eldritch entity that lives in the Void. It just takes the appearance of your Operator.
So from what I figured out with how time doesn't exist in the void, when young operator got tossed into the void with lotus, the void spat drifter out and they brought lotus back with them. And of course drifter is us from an alternate timeline but they've been stuck in the void
God I really wish we could use the bow in operator form, that would make it unique and valuable as a reward for this quest, as it is the bow and knife surely will be gathering dust in most arsenals
I mainly want them to make the operator clothes available on the Drifter, and vice versa. I have the harrier outfit for my tenno, and I would love to have that jacket on the Drifter, since I'm probably gonna stick to using them.
This sets up the Duviri Paradox for the future, and that's really cool. Also, I would've liked if the Drifter kept his abilities when getting the void powers, it was really fun to go around using them.
I don't get it. Why people expect Duviri dimension to appear in the future of Warframe only because the Drifter mentions it? It's like expecting Tony Stark to raise from the dead after people mentioning him in Spider Man: Homecoming. Well, definitely not the best analogy, but still. The Drifter has been in Duviri BEFORE the New War timeline. They got back to this "main" dimension where the Operator is. Yes, they tell about the Duviri where they've been stuck for many years but WHY do you expect it to be a possible next story in the Warframe timeline, I don't understand.
I chose adult operator and Natah. The story was 10/10. The plot twists were really well done, the writing was great and I enjoyed every moment. The only problem I have with The New War is what we do after. There's no new Sentiant missions, no new Railjack missions, no new Star Chart missions, no new endgame things to do... There's only rotating bounties on Fortuna and Cetus to get the new mods, 4 weapon blueprints and 3 warframe parts. There's only one thing to do now and then it's back to the same old stuff again. I honestly thought we were gona get corpus and grineer pve and pvp that would have character and weapon customization and ability cards. Kinda like Battlefield Warframe edition.
I loved this scene felt natural, seeing the improvement in the quality seeing after so many years, and even changing all the faces and voices of operators and also introducing the adult operators, and my theory was all correct it ain't an operator from future it's a void duplicate, I think the drifter is the actual tenno not the operator, he's a copy of him and the end tease for duviri, Wally Voice actor was amazing ngl, loved this quest and would like to see more consequences of it in the system rather than just a simple bounty and make over, what do u guys think lol!!!
It’s the multiverse theory. There are Infinite possibilities but only on rare occasions does those branches collide with each other. As far as I can guess, if one of you exist and you get sent through to another verse. That verse version of you gets switched over to you. Which leads me to believe the man on the wall is literally the walls of the multiverse. He allows people to “travel” the multiverse at a cost.
@@operator6438 Drifter only got his tenno powers in the new war so he was aging while in the void and our operator was in stasis(second dream) for all these year's
That's why i put my phone down I beat the new war and I enjoyed it without no spoilers and turned off region chat and QnA when I was doing it I had a blast and I went through alot of emotions and a happy tenno :)
This got me. I went with Operator with no hesitation because I was not going to risk losing them. Looking at the scripts retrospectively the story works better with the drifter. But it seems they hadn't quite hashed out the rough areas of the mechanics, given that the Drifter just becomes a reskinned taller Operator at that point anyway.
I picked Operator because of how the Operator connects more to what’s been going on more than the Drifter. Like when you think about it, the Drifter was basically pulled out of the Void, somewhat told about all the shit that’s went down and is left to go from there. The Operator, meanwhile, actually lived through these things from the Old War, the Second Dream, the War Within, the Sacrifice, and the New War. The Operator has more of a stake in this than the Drifter as it’s honestly more personal for the Operator. This is the Operators battle, so it’s only right that it is the Operators job to finish it.
The drifter is definitely the cooler person and it honestly reminds me of when I was climbing through early warframe missions. I could go through with explosives blowing up the place or I could actually plan how I do stuff. Each equally as fun but one is way more engaging.
My drifter was wearing a commandeered Grineer chest piece outfitted with bits of Zariman armor, my operator was wearing an all white outfit with circlet as a sign of his devotion to the peoples of the system. It was a wonderful contrast.
I feel bad for the people who did not put the hair on drifter when you first enter orbiter. They really need to fix that. Without the hair you can't even tell if it's you.
DE:"You have to choose here, Drifter or Operator" Me(As an overthinker): Hmm... So far there's been a recurring theme of choosing among 3. This could be like that one hunter x hunter exam where silence is the 3rd choice. I'll wait for a bit. 2 hrs Later... Me: "Damn it fine im choosing drifter"
Did they mean anything tho? We can switch em around. So did appointing lotus/natah or margulis. That was pure cosmetic. It feels weird how u can paint her. The weirdest part of all is how ballas rose to power while in the prev cinematic he was on a leash with erra doing the tugging
Ballas was putting on a show just like Erra. The Lotus, Natah or Marguilis thing did matter as it was irreversible once you picked one, your choices from the New War will matter and will come back to mean something
I remember initially thinking the drifter was an older sibling at first that we were never made aware of. Then I realized that was just an older version of my chsracter.
I sat and thought about this choice for 30 FCKN MINUTES. I looked at a bunch of sites where they say what the choice affects, and even after I found out, I thought about confirmation for another 10 minutes. Extremely heavy moment
I can't wait for the drifter to be more than just an Operator variant, he has the potential to become the "modular warframe" I've been waiting for years
When drift said 'be careful, i wont be back around next time' kindof indicates that Drifter might be the reason how the warframe pulled/broked the sword when shadow stalker infiltrated the Orbiter 'the second dream quest'
I Wonder in what timeline that dialogue and the whole zariman gameplay take place, part of me feels like all this is happening in the Tenno mind right after he got stabbed by ballas.
Me: Took like a solid 15 minutes to just pick
Warframe: "Confirm this choice"
Also me: Takes another 20 minutes to make sure I'm happy with the choice
Same
Same
Me too.
Hum, weak, i finish the jorney and i still trying to be sure that im happy with my choice, i chosse tenno, but i still like, " so whats happen to drifter, did i let him there ?"
Yea fr but 8n the end I choose the operator for it was his story overall
The fact that the adult operator is so cynical and chiding makes it SO MUCH BETTER! It's like all the horrifying experiences turned the operator from a depressed angsty child, into a cynical mentally scarred adult. Not far from reality when you think about it.
Except the Drifter didn't experience life as a Warframe operator. They spent all those 200+ years 'drifting' in the void, something with the Duviri paradox no doubt will touch on later. The classroom flashback touched on the multi-linear concept of time, where every possibility is just as real as the other. For whatever reason, Ballas' actions caused the reality of your Tenno becoming an Operator, and the reality of becoming the Drifter, to become the same reality. The two options were always the same person, but now, they both exist within the same chain of events.
Multiverse theory is a bitch.
@@Morveyn It's not really multiverse theory. Eternalism is an unterstanding of the universe where time isn't a line, but three-dimensional.
There are no "alternate timelines" in Warframe, just different points in space-time within our singular universe.
@@Morveyn My theory is the paradox is caused by the Man in the Wall. Since apparently our Operator accepting his proposition literally destroyed all other dimensions and existences of them and all other Tenno save for the one that got saved by Margulis and the one that did not, killing the Operator threatened the balance the MitW was maintaining. So he pulled the Drifter from the Zariman to take the Operator's place in a sense, but not in the same dimension. I'm not sure how to explain it, but I think we now exist in the Drifter's dimension where everything is more or less the same as ours.
It feels like it doesn't make sense and yet I can't think that we're in the Operator's normal dimension. (Also apparently someone claimed the Tenno literally can't die thanks to the Man in the Wall?)
Edit: After thinking about it some more, it might be the other way around where the Drifter now exists in the Operator's dimension.
Operator: how did you become so badass?
Drifter: I wasn't rescued.
@@gregory8859 hahaha
I wish the drifter was still able to use weapons it would have been cool to run stealth missions with him
They are saving that for the duviri paradox
I still wanted him to be able to use the bow and his 3 other abilities like the smokebomb and the sonar. They were niche but they were cool
@@omgwtfhaxfan1221003 I'd like if drifter had access to different focus trees based on these skills.
Like one could change the smoke bomb into an incendiary grenade, or the health pack into a damage booster.
I love the reliance on gadgets to punch above your weight archetype and Drifter really plays to that character. It's sad to see him as just a (admittedly cool) reskin for the operator.
Or riding the k-drive
Yeah but the weapon never really was stealth in the story mode, also you can equip it on him after the story, but I get ya ;-)
This scene reminded me of What Teshin said in the War Within:
_"You exist on the fold between two worlds. The world we know, of blood and steel, and the world that watches and dreams, the Void."_
F in chat for teshin
F
@@hecunotmakingalogisquad5785 we have: red teshin
Custom lotus
Birdis
Old man with cool gun
Teshin………..
By this point in A New War, I think most forgot Teshin died..
This scene had so much weight for me when I had customized the Drifter to look like my Operator and it was a choice of two paths from which I walked one for years, went with Drifter though.
what changes in the story? or is it just the same but with the drifter instead of operator
@@snadthe4671
I would expect the story to be the same just with the Drifter skin and voicelines.
The drifter is cooler, just sayin facts
@@snadthe4671 Well, I guess we'll find out in the Duviri Paradox questline
I didn't realize u could customize the drifter until after, i wish i could replay the quest ;/
When I got to that screen I was like "IS THIS PERMANENT? I DONT WANT TO LOSE MY COSMETICS" but still went with Drifter, relieved to see that you can switch back though.
What happened when you picked drifter? Dif+d you keep the drifter abilities? Because for me who picked operator, after the quest I could switch to drifter but they had all the operator's abilities
Sadly it doesnt make a difference drifter after this choice plays exactly as the operator so this choice is more cosmetic than anything, you do keep the pistol tho with the mechanics so thats cool
@@alphads2000 You also keep the INSANE bow
@@dualityofequinox do we keep the bow after the quest?
@@shadowmaker680 it’s the same for the drifter. U get the operator abilities
This scene hits way different when you customize the drifter to resemble your operator, but still that smile during the choice is uncanny
every smile is uncanny valley I hate it so much. The first man in the wall scene was awful
@@busterkoala5906 For the Man in the Wall it really worked, at least in my case. It looked uncanny, sure, but that just helped with the feeling of "this is something inhuman that's only mimicking a human form and it's expressions".
...but then during the final cutscene, my operator's eyelashes completely glitched out, so yeah, the faces are very far from perfect, heh
I guess I haven't customised my operator face much because my drifter looked very much like my operator by default, without the hair of course. I chose to take the drifter in this scene because I wanted to stick out the rest of the story with him and I had a hunch that there would be some lore hints from him, which I was correct about.
The Lotus smiled in the end when she fell and Wally went away °-°
@@HiddelMOB the problem was it just looked like bad facial animations
I was honestly a bit sad the drifter gameplay ended, it really removes how fast you can plow through, and forced you to really think how to go about fighting, I hope they add more of it in the future (as in repayable missions, cause I'm fairly sure the new war cant be replayed)
U can chnge back to drifter in your hub whernyou heve zenurik and other thinks (no idea what its called) and im nit sure if u have differen abilities but u have the choice.
@@lukinocholvad660 what I meant was being able to go on missions with the drifter and using the quest abilities, not just the appearance, but the whole thing
Don't worry, duviri paradox should be all about the drifter.
One thing this whole quest line really hammered home is that we tend to forget is just how retardedly overpowered warframes/tenno are compared to everything else
They said its very close to being repayable, they will add it eventually.
The choices you did in the first playthrough are the ones that count tho.
"Not here, exactly"
and then
"Can't be harder than riding a horse can it?"
Duviri
Not to mention choosing Drifter then doing the railjack sequence to raid the sun leads to Drifter saying:"should've stayed in Duviri"
@@FernPowered Nice! I chose operator, is there a complete video with the Drifter anywhere?
Unfortunately no. Not that I've seen and I play on switch so there goes that... :P
I absolutely adore confused Operator at 2:23. when I got to that part I just started laughing.
"pain"
*demonic thinking*
*devilishly confused*
*Local demon is extremely confused*
existential crisis for meme template
DE really did a great job using the choice system here
I customized my Drifter too, and he looks like older version of operator. Its one of the best moments from this quest. I loved this, but went with operator, and would always repeat this choice. But I'm glad that both of them are with me.
Yeah, I did the same, I just couldn't stand this haircut tbh xD
While the Quest was going I made them look the same, but know I gave them completely different cosmetics and stuff to reflect their different journeys. I'm really looking forward to more cloth options tho
I went with drifter because I think my drifter looks fucking amazing and I thought I could only have one afterwards lol i'd much rather be older
2:17 the fucking cut to the operator in the that pose it the best
The funny thing is that the Drifter mentions the Horse Scene from teh Dvuri paradox during the New War
When?
@@MrBlackace17 When you choose to finish the story as them. They have to try out a WF for the first time.
Not just that but when you're in your Railjack heading to the sun if you're the drifter he will say "I should have stayed on Duviri"
And the whistling matches the Duviri melody
@@VortexKiller2 oh shit, how the hell did that slip my mind lmao, guess thats that then.
The hardest part is moving on.. Literally spent ten minutes, very fondly I may add remembering my time as an operator and reminiscing over it. But times change and with them we must to. FOR MY BROTHERS
Bruh, operator isn't gone tho
I chose operator because drifter doesn't have any of my drip. I worked hard for that Dax armor damn it.
@@lucaswilliams2292 a man of culture
I know operator is not gone permanently, for me he is, Drifter rocks
@@lucaswilliams2292 Fair enough lol but i loved the drifters personality and his outfit alone was pretty sweet so i chose him. Also because of his abilities but ah.. Sadly we couldn’t use it even if you chose him.
''SHE'S TRYING TO KILL US''
No shit...
Love that line.
same here 😊
I just realized this, the Drifter whistling is the very same background music used in the Duviri Paradox trailer
finally someone that notice it, it was great !!
lol I totally felt the operator's confused silence @ 2:22
Trying to process wtf is going on
Definitely made a lot more sense that we were shown a class about multiple timelines earlier.
This also really helps tie in the adult operator with the Duviri Paradox.
It is also such a memeble image. I started chuckling when I saw my operator in pure confusion and disbelief with his hand at his head, trying to concentrate.
@@SpiderMan-xw8wh hell, I'd argue this whole conversation is a meme.
That classroom scene will always be funny to me because of hearing that one student say, “When will we ever use this stuff?” When it came to the whole time lesson and all I could think was, “you have no idea how relevant this stuff is to our Tenno lives buddy”
The Drifter whistle somehow is nostalgic to me and brings the sensation of hope and happiness, even after all that happened in New War, I just love the character and especially, his/her whistle
I think what I love most about this is how this scene completely subverts your expectations-you see a photo of what COULD be your parents, so you get this… feeling like… maybe this might be a hallucination or a dream, and you’re about to see maybe your mom or dad… turns out it’s you. My jaw hit the floor.
2:23 was just a mood.
it's like:
Drifter = HARD MODE
Operator = EASY MODE
Does anyone noticed the change in the pets. The dogs hair looks more realistic and looks way better than before
I noticed that too :O
"So, Duvivier happens before or after the New War?"
To answer your question, we have to talk about parallel universes
Time to get phd in quantum mechanics
they literally gave us a lesson about Eternalism in a flashback prior to the plot twist for us to understand this clusterfuck lol
I think it would be cool that when(if) duviri ever comes out, theres a prequel quest that goes into the drifter’s backstory and how exactly they ended up finding the lotus. My theory right now (dunno if theres anything out there that disproves this yet) is that the plains of duviri are in the void, and that’s where the drifter’s zariman crashed and where hes been stuck. I guess when the operator and lotus are sent into the void, they end up there too and the drifter finds them and finds some way to leave the void from that encounter.
Also, its interesting that it seems like the operator actually died, and in order to come back, now the drifter and the operator are sort of one entity I think?
Honestly I think your comment is the closest I’ve seen to answering this question. How tf did Drifter who says he’s been “stuck” be able to obtain the remnants of the lotus that was sucked into the void, as well as our deceased operator per being stabbed.
So our operator was only able to come back through manifesting himself through drifter. Because in different timelines they are the same person. But once again what is the back story of drifter? If operator was able to escape the Zarriman Ten-0 and the Drifter was stuck how did he escape? And not have the powers that Tenno have. Lots of awesome questions that I look forward to have answered in the duviri paradox 🤌
They basically are in the same time line but at different points of reality. The classes the tennis go through the flashback about eternium etc are lessons about what is, can be or not be. The void can help them "shift" through different places in the "now". That's my understanding of those lessons. Bit of a mind boggles but it's cool
@@tateparker8112 I think the Drifter did not have powers because he is the "US" that did not take the Void powers from The Man in the Mirror.. while the Operator was the one that did. Warframe takes place in a world tgat believes in Eternalism that is why the Drifter and the Operator are paradoxes of each other.
@@smoothopurrator So basically, what you're saying is that they are technically in the same timeline, but different "states" of each other, made when the Zariman incident happened? Also, now that I think about it, all of those Operators collapsing one by one, every single one having a different reaction when we made the deal, makes me think that those were other different "states" of the operator i was talking abt, making the same deal, and having the same experience, but different ways, like with alt timelines in the same point of time having a collective shared moment. This also ties in with the class we had, and how they said that while many different timelines exist, they *might* have the same core main timeline experiences we may be having.
And the Void jump they made with the Zariman may have collided with an alt timeline Zariman in the Void, making them exist at the same point in time. Either that was from the cutscene, or it just came off as a theory, but I feel it might tie in with how the Operator and Drifter can exist at the same time without any consequences, because when the Zariman incident happened, both of them had made the same deal at that point in time when the Operator came into play, making me believe that the Zariman may have some sort of memory bond with the void, and when the Operator came into the Zariman once again (maybe idk), making them linked by the Drifter being able to replay the memory of the deal, and making the same deal as well.
And since he's an alternate version of the Operator, that means they essentially made a timeline where they both exist, but on different planes of reality, being able to switch places when they want to, this tying into my "different states" theory because the Drifter is, just like i said, a different 'state' of the operator, but essentially the same. He just had to exist on the different 'side' for a while before being discovered by the Operator and being able to make the deal. This is a theory, so be kind as to point things out, and maybe be able to provide evidence if you could, because even I don't fully understand the Paradox and how it happened, besides I'm just an MR8 lol
Think of the Operator themselves as a Void relic where choice is the reward. A Turning Point (the Zariman Ten-Zero) could be viewed as a fissure to satiate said relic. This scene is a metaphor for the Wave Function Collapse.
I stuck with my operator in my opinion the operator (even before we knew the operator existed) is the character I have been playing for almost a decade so I felt like just ditching him for some other version that's done jack for all that time felt kinda sucky I also wasn't sure if the change was permanent and whether I would lose access to amps and such it was kinda unclear. Still for me it was like one version did the years of grinding to get the cool frames and meta builds them some other guy comes along and is like that's mine now.
Edit: I am aware you can change it I'm just talking from the point of view of the first choice when it wasn't clear that you could
i didn’t like playing as a “child” so I gladly switched to him, but also hesitated, in my Headcanon atm it’s just my Operator but older 🤷🏻♂️
Also you can Switch anytime after which I think is amazing
@@JodyrJoestar exactly I actually love that I can play as an adult operator. But I can't lie the thought of loosing the child version crossed my mind. Lol
I just could not leave drivter like that he worked so hard to get lotus back after he was stuck in the void forever i just had to pull em out
@@deltaprimis3045 @ DannyWongloising yeah not gonna lie I was conflicted as hell as like said kinda felt bad that he was trapped alone for ages then was given a chance to do something then kinda of abandoned, I don't know if it's canon that you can just switch but gathering by the last cutscenes it is so I guess they are both just switching places whenever they feel like having a break
It's still IS the same operator, just in an other timeline
If I had to choose 1 drifter ability to be made permanent it would be the 1, Giving all operators a free cooldown based heal would be a nice new player helper
so from my understanding the drifter was not "the man in the wall" and the disturbing man in the wall from last scene after killing ballas is the actual "man in the wall", did I get it right?
The whistling one is drifter. "rap-tap-tap" or "knocking" one is the wall man.
The Drifter is your Operator from a “parallel possibility” in which they didn’t get rescued from the Zeramin. It’s what the class room scene about multiple timelines was about.
The Man in the Wall is the eldritch entity that lives in the Void. It just takes the appearance of your Operator.
That last scene with the frickin totem thing comming out of nowhere was kinda funny to me ngl
Man in the wall is anything it wants to be or has to.
@@ninboy01 i dont understand how he ended up on earth though
So from what I figured out with how time doesn't exist in the void, when young operator got tossed into the void with lotus, the void spat drifter out and they brought lotus back with them. And of course drifter is us from an alternate timeline but they've been stuck in the void
God I really wish we could use the bow in operator form, that would make it unique and valuable as a reward for this quest, as it is the bow and knife surely will be gathering dust in most arsenals
the bow is literally insane though. will definitely not be collecting dust in a lot of peoples arsenals for sure
The bow goes over 100 crit rate with just one mod tho, I'd say you'll be seeing it a lot.
@@Maciknaw it’s not a AOE nuke-gun like Bramma, Zarr and Envoy so it won’t be used that much.
@@MarcelJ17 Aoe is not even necesary since we are already overkill.
And if anything, that bow slaps
@@MarcelJ17 AOE guns are not the end all be all of warframe. Guns that can hit funny red numbers? now that’s what we’re talking about
2:24 I felt this on another level🤣🤣
Had the same reaction even our operators is confused at this point
Mental screaming
I just hope we get the Operator clothes for the Drifter in an update.
Agreed, i always use the infested outfit for mine, hope i can throw em on my drifter at some point and my umbra scarf...
True! Where are my clothes?! I’m gonna be mad if they make me buy them again.
I wanna put smelter gear on my drifter to go full deadspace.
I mainly want them to make the operator clothes available on the Drifter, and vice versa. I have the harrier outfit for my tenno, and I would love to have that jacket on the Drifter, since I'm probably gonna stick to using them.
@@celphalonred1999 i think its obvious.
Cause we have Zeprhyr deluxe clothes on Operator
This sets up the Duviri Paradox for the future, and that's really cool.
Also, I would've liked if the Drifter kept his abilities when getting the void powers, it was really fun to go around using them.
There are a lot of references to the duviri paradox, and duviri itself. The drifter even mentions riding a horse
I don't get it. Why people expect Duviri dimension to appear in the future of Warframe only because the Drifter mentions it? It's like expecting Tony Stark to raise from the dead after people mentioning him in Spider Man: Homecoming. Well, definitely not the best analogy, but still. The Drifter has been in Duviri BEFORE the New War timeline. They got back to this "main" dimension where the Operator is. Yes, they tell about the Duviri where they've been stuck for many years but WHY do you expect it to be a possible next story in the Warframe timeline, I don't understand.
@@alixey59 DE explicitly stated that Duviri will be the next open world.
@@alixey59 Because it's going to be the next open world?
@@alixey59 little did the poor star child know,one year from now,DE would kick him in the testicales,and prove him wrong
I chose adult operator and Natah. The story was 10/10. The plot twists were really well done, the writing was great and I enjoyed every moment. The only problem I have with The New War is what we do after. There's no new Sentiant missions, no new Railjack missions, no new Star Chart missions, no new endgame things to do... There's only rotating bounties on Fortuna and Cetus to get the new mods, 4 weapon blueprints and 3 warframe parts. There's only one thing to do now and then it's back to the same old stuff again. I honestly thought we were gona get corpus and grineer pve and pvp that would have character and weapon customization and ability cards. Kinda like Battlefield Warframe edition.
Oh their is a hologram of Tesish, to honor him
oOoOoOoO that pvp idea tho sound cool
@@supertails8881 where
@@Lotus_IX It in the station where the Ai want you to hunt his targets, or when your doing a fake rank up things
they said that in 2022 we are getting some content related with all of this, so we have to wait
Finally warframe cussing lol
They have done it for a while, darvo and nora night being prime examples
I loved this scene felt natural, seeing the improvement in the quality seeing after so many years, and even changing all the faces and voices of operators and also introducing the adult operators, and my theory was all correct it ain't an operator from future it's a void duplicate, I think the drifter is the actual tenno not the operator, he's a copy of him and the end tease for duviri, Wally Voice actor was amazing ngl, loved this quest and would like to see more consequences of it in the system rather than just a simple bounty and make over, what do u guys think lol!!!
didn't you pay atention in class? eternalism, multiple realities at the same time both real, both are "operator"
I actually like to belive that both Operator and Drifter are the duality that make up the actual Tenno.
Bruh he said it himself in this cutscene. He is him if he didn't get saved from the void by the orokin.
It’s the multiverse theory. There are Infinite possibilities but only on rare occasions does those branches collide with each other.
As far as I can guess, if one of you exist and you get sent through to another verse. That verse version of you gets switched over to you. Which leads me to believe the man on the wall is literally the walls of the multiverse. He allows people to “travel” the multiverse at a cost.
@@operator6438 Drifter only got his tenno powers in the new war so he was aging while in the void and our operator was in stasis(second dream) for all these year's
I'll bet what none of you have noticed yet is that what the older operator whistles in this scene, is in fact the theme from the Duviri Paradox
Damn this is such a great scene! I would replay the quest just to see the utterly confused Operator.
Or you have videos or (if made) your own recording of it..
the fact that DE made sure your parents clothing color is the same color as your operator
hats off for this level of detail
0:59 was my response throughout the quest, start to finish, what a fever dream
But in a good way, at least for lore nerds like me
@@IamaPERSON yes. Also, MAN IN THE WALL.
ON THE WALL.
@@dascreeb5205 "DAVID CAGE, YOU'VE DONE IT AGAIN!" Props if you get the reference
@@IamaPERSON I've just realised, our greatest threat is now a wall.
@@dascreeb5205 ...huh, now I'm just waiting for people to make that a meme.
Really the drifter reveal should open into a customization menu. Took a lot of players some time to figure out they could do that during the quest.
It's visibly to your left as you load in to that part of the quest
Oh, thats why so many stick with that haircut, I was already questioning my taste xD
I just woke up, open RUclips and already see spoilers 💔
That's why i put my phone down I beat the new war and I enjoyed it without no spoilers and turned off region chat and QnA when I was doing it I had a blast and I went through alot of emotions and a happy tenno :)
2:23
Me: trying to understand the lore warframe and still being confused.
This got me. I went with Operator with no hesitation because I was not going to risk losing them. Looking at the scripts retrospectively the story works better with the drifter. But it seems they hadn't quite hashed out the rough areas of the mechanics, given that the Drifter just becomes a reskinned taller Operator at that point anyway.
I just realized that the drifter is right handed and the smol drifter is left handed
What
Actually stuck to the adult operator…. Probably because I liked his aesthetics as a grineer survivor
2:23 is the best reaction for this whole thing. I can hear the operator asking "WTF is happening right now?"
i was laughing at that point of the quest. :D
That reaction and the shit eating grin the man in the wall made as the operator were hilarious
I picked Operator because of how the Operator connects more to what’s been going on more than the Drifter. Like when you think about it, the Drifter was basically pulled out of the Void, somewhat told about all the shit that’s went down and is left to go from there. The Operator, meanwhile, actually lived through these things from the Old War, the Second Dream, the War Within, the Sacrifice, and the New War. The Operator has more of a stake in this than the Drifter as it’s honestly more personal for the Operator. This is the Operators battle, so it’s only right that it is the Operators job to finish it.
The last choice was more important after the campaign u can actually switch operator and drifter
Best part, once you finish the new war . You can switch between them :)
so this is a parallel universe of different outcomes of ourselves in that accident
I picked Drifter. because I no longer want to be smol-fry
Fun fact, my operators hair is pink. So was the mother's hair in the picture
What? My Operator is blonde,I didn't notice the hair color. I have to check this out now.
Because pink is a color that gets inherited..
The drifter is definitely the cooler person and it honestly reminds me of when I was climbing through early warframe missions. I could go through with explosives blowing up the place or I could actually plan how I do stuff. Each equally as fun but one is way more engaging.
The hair and color on the woman in the picture changes based on the choice for the operator.
My drifter was wearing a commandeered Grineer chest piece outfitted with bits of Zariman armor, my operator was wearing an all white outfit with circlet as a sign of his devotion to the peoples of the system. It was a wonderful contrast.
Those expressions, it was the best scene
our choices were not important, they had no consequences
I feel bad for the people who did not put the hair on drifter when you first enter orbiter. They really need to fix that. Without the hair you can't even tell if it's you.
For me the drifter in these cutscenes was not ther it was just a floating plate
DE:"You have to choose here, Drifter or Operator"
Me(As an overthinker): Hmm... So far there's been a recurring theme of choosing among 3. This could be like that one hunter x hunter exam where silence is the 3rd choice. I'll wait for a bit.
2 hrs Later...
Me: "Damn it fine im choosing drifter"
is that why DE said the quest would take about 6 hours to complete?
@@T.H.0601 Probably, I decided this would be a good break time and eat in the meantime while testing if it actually had one or not.
Also me but in 2 min i think some1 on youtube maybe doing it so fuk that im choosing
Ngl I couldn't decide so. I flipped a coin. Came up tails so. I went with Drifter
Man these voice recasts will take some getting used to. Still have "my warframe is strong" stuck in my head
so, from what I could deduce, our operator become a living, breathing Schrodinger's cat?
No matter how many times I listen to it I can’t figure out what they’re talking about fir the first half of the conversation
I chose operator for this personally.
Drifter had their time to shine but this is the Operators business in the end
So the Drifter and Operator thing is basically hinting Duviri Paradox
The Drifter later on says "I should've stayed back in Duviri" so yeah
This Drifter feels so much like a chad
I wish I had been recording it myself, loved this scene with Raven
I immediately fashioned my Drifter to look as close as possible to Operator
In the end I picked Drifter
Seeing people eat and drink in Warframe is downright surreal.
i just love how awkward this is with the silent pauses
I love how awkward and jarring this cutscene is. Exactly what would happen if I met my future/paradox/alternate timeline self!
Did they mean anything tho? We can switch em around. So did appointing lotus/natah or margulis. That was pure cosmetic. It feels weird how u can paint her. The weirdest part of all is how ballas rose to power while in the prev cinematic he was on a leash with erra doing the tugging
Ballas was putting on a show just like Erra. The Lotus, Natah or Marguilis thing did matter as it was irreversible once you picked one, your choices from the New War will matter and will come back to mean something
Maybe the operator was my character this whole time, but as CY said "it's time to grow up" so I went with the Drifter
Bro took it literally XD
I picked drifter for his abilities and weapons only to end up with a taller operator and very disappointed
I remember initially thinking the drifter was an older sibling at first that we were never made aware of. Then I realized that was just an older version of my chsracter.
good news you still get to use both after finishing the quest. you choose
I sat and thought about this choice for 30 FCKN MINUTES. I looked at a bunch of sites where they say what the choice affects, and even after I found out, I thought about confirmation for another 10 minutes. Extremely heavy moment
I like the fact he whistles the song from the duviri trailer and makes references to it
Bro my drifter was invisible I just saw dishes moving on their own and assumed it was a weird void thing 😭
This reminds me of the diner scene from Looper where the past and future versions of the hero meet each other
The Duviri paradox better explain this because I’m confused…
I can't wait for the drifter to be more than just an Operator variant, he has the potential to become the "modular warframe" I've been waiting for years
The what now?
ayooo what..... no no no
i absolutely loved this scene
2:23
So much meme potential.
When drift said 'be careful, i wont be back around next time' kindof indicates that Drifter might be the reason how the warframe pulled/broked the sword when shadow stalker infiltrated the Orbiter 'the second dream quest'
You know you can swap between when in the focus menu, top right corner you will seee hands
We are a walking paradox
Walking *Duviri* paradox
I figured that drifter was a version of our operator when I went to customize him and his eye and hair colors were the exact same as my operator’s
I had no time for customisation.. had to see it all through asap. Had a pretty strong hint after the school scene tho
how many people didn't even give a second of thinking and just selected the drifter?
"What the hell?"
"What? You don't like my buzz cut? I thought it would look nice..."
I spent a good 10 minutes trying to decide then said "I've been a child long enough"
So... The drifter is the version of us that stayed in the void?
The operator with his reaction to "I'm you who didn't make it out" same reaction as me
Seems like no one else realised they could have chnaged their Drifters look the moment the mask came off 🤔
I like his look, I only gave him hair.
I Wonder in what timeline that dialogue and the whole zariman gameplay take place, part of me feels like all this is happening in the Tenno mind right after he got stabbed by ballas.
Mans been mewing in the void for infinity
If you choose drifter you can freely swap between operator and drifter. I am glad i chose drifter
same with operator, it doesn't really matter
Operators confusion is pretty much describes me when im trying to understand what the hell is happening in Warframe story
Quest has been out less than a day and you feel the need to put this without hiding anything in the title.
I thought it's not spoiler. I'm sorry very much about it. I changed the title.
@@fitzqutokuquickguides4528 it is a spoiler
stop crying and dont watch it