Nice horn John, I came into a 1921 CG Conn victor cornet it didn't have some of the components sadly missing the music lyre and there seems to be a screw on the tuning slide not the opera glass tuner but the tuning slide its self; any idea what may have been there?
Hey John I'm planning to purchase both a new trumpet and mouthpiece and I was wondering if you had any trumpets that you enjoyed or mouthpieces that you enjoy. I only have a max of 1,800 and I was wondering what trumpet, and mouthpiece would be the best equipped for playing jazz.
Michael; Greetings. I got in late tonight and do want to think about this for a bit. Please go to my site and send me a contact from this page - then I'll email you some ideas, ok? Here's the page to contact me... www.jonathanmilam.com/contact-jonathan.html Thanks, Michael.
Aha, interesting review! The other day I ordered a Curry 3VC, and today I bought a 1920s Conn 6A, which apparently is like the 80A but slightly smaller bore. (Not much out there on the internet about it.) Hoping I can still get a fairly warm cornet tone out of the setup.
Hope you enjoy it! Curry's VC is a great piece. Should give you a bit of a breathy, warm tone. Good luck, Brent! The 6A should be a much better horn than the 80A (which has a HUGE bore size). I love the micro-tuner, such a great feature.
@@JonathanMilam1 Thank you! The Conn just arrived, I think I got a steal from an auction with very poor photos. It's either a 4A or a 6A. No marking on the leadpipe. Gold wash bell under all of this tarnish. Sounds good with the 3VC, but the "Ideal" 2 mpc that came with it sounds good too; hmm. Anyway!
Isn't that funny? I bought a cheap Conn cornet years ago (all the slides stuck, etc.), but loved the old Conn mouthpiece. It works in all the vintage Conn cornets. While I can't say what is special about it, it puts out a great sound on old Conn horns. Congrats on your purchase! And the mouthpiece, too. :)
Hello Jonathan. I have one of these from 1921. Mine has the mechanism, and believe it or not it extends the second slide too! this was why the second slide on the earlier versions sticks straight out rather than being at an angle. The rod is like a cam and on the way back it pulls the slide back in. What this does mean though is that you can only tune the instrument via the bell tuning. The front slide is only for the change to A.
Gordon; Greetings. I've never had one with that mechanism - but I've read about them. I've had several vintage Conn horns and I've found them quite impressive. I'm not too fond of the really large bore that some carried but other than that (and that's a personal thing) I really like the vintage Conn's. Haven't had one in a while - but I frequently look for them. Take care and thanks for the comment - keep in touch! :)
Hello Jonathan. I uploaded a video yesterday of mine and in it I show how the mechanism works. Its a shame we don't get too many Conn instruments over here in the UK. They were never as popular, even at the student end of the market, as we had our own makers like Boosey and Hawkes and then European makers. I am enjoying going through your videos. Some interesting things there.
Gordon; I'm thrilled you put up a video of yours! That really is what we need here; more horn vids - especially for general knowledge rather than merely for purposes of selling. I'm on the road presently but will try to put a link to your vid from my comments, if you don't mind. I sold a lovely Conn trumpet from 1926 or so to a fine fellow in the UK. We've discussed vintage instruments several times via email and he'd agree with you... Not too many vintage horns from the U.S. available elsewhere. I don't really collect instruments and do sell most of those I find. It's been my pleasure to ship a few to the UK, several to France, Russia, New Zealand, Australia and several to Singapore. I'm always thrilled to see them find appreciation around the world.
Most of the American vintage cornets and trumpets in the UK were imported by one man in the 1980's who toured the US, especially high schools, and packed shipping containers with old instruments which were brought here and refurbished. A lot of them were originally top end instruments that had ended up retired to be used by school kids. The exchange rate made this a lucrative business for a while. Keep up the good work!
Johnathan would a large bore cornet feel as open as a large bore trumpet ( same bore size) and do large bore ( free blowing ) instruments make articulation more difficult ? As always thanks so much, Johnathan.
Greetings! Some excellent questions. :) Strangely, it isn't the bore size that makes an instrument seem open to me (although we're all different), it's actually the size of the receiver and leadpipe. Most of the large bore trumpets I've had didn't seem too large to initially play because they were balanced with a leadpipe that was acceptably sized. For instance, Bach Strads are usually labeled 25 (usually regarded as a restrictive leadpipe, 25-0 (a 25 that's opened a bit), 43 (larger yet), etc. Then the bore size is also listed; usually ML (medium-large), M or L. I think what most people feel is that the large bore will give a more volume BUT I believe most people fear that a large bore horn will hurt their endurance. That's my general thought on bore size, and it closely pertains to the related leadpipe size. If it's not clear, feel free to reply accordingly (minus cuss words, of course :) ) That said, I did have a 38A Connstellation cornet that played HUGE. .485 bore, and I honestly feared that horn. :) Great tone, really pretty, but it was just too large for me. That's the bore size of a valve trombone, I believe. The Conn 80A also shared that bore size; just a bit too large for me. Cornet and Trumpet? I think if they had similar leadpipe's and similar bore sized they'd play rather similar, but the receiver of a cornet (and the mouthpiece at the end going into the cornet) are usually smaller, so they do play a bit tighter... That's my experience, anyway. Always enjoy these thoughts; let me know what you think. As for articulation, I think that's a mouthpiece thing; again, my feelings. A deeper mouthpiece cup requires more work for articulation, upper range, etc. :)
Jonathan Milam: Jonathan you’re a top RUclipsr 😇... thx for your detailed response, few would take time to respond like you did. I started out with the Yamaha student horn that I kick myself even to this day for selling, in retrospect it was a good player. Along the way I purchased a Carol brass flugelhorn that has since spoiled me because the valves were lightning & free blowing as a windy Prairie. I am in search for a Trumpet that is free blowing, I am so tired of stuffy horns like my current Holton student horn. I tested the Carol brass 7770, it was a nice horn but neither stuffy or open nevertheless a nice trumpet but nothing that I would want to play every day. I have been reading about the Carol Brass CTR-5000 YLT, The Carol brass 5282L GLTO large Bore euro, just wondering if that’s too big of a bore. Also been reading about the flip Oaks b-flat trumpet. I have not played a Bach 72 but would not be opposed to buying a used one that was in good shape. I know that you have played a lot of trumpets in your time, yes everybody’s different but I would still like to get feedback from you on trumpets or for that matter of fact cornets that are open free blowing and articulate well. Carol Brass has a medium large bore double trigger cornet in their lineup that’s a beauty but I’m always afraid a tightly wound Cornet. Not asking you to guarantee anything, just your general thoughts on open blowing trumpets as I consider my next trumpet going forward. Always look forward to your RUclips productions and your enthusiastic demeanor for us brass enthusiasts...God bless.
Thanks for your kind words, they're appreciated. I've had 7 or 8 CarolBrass horns; they can be great. I've had few models I wasn't fond of. By the way, your flugel is probably a .433 bore; that would be considered small. :) But with the open leadpipe and (usually) deep mouthpiece and open throat and backbore - a flugel can feel huge; nice, comfy, wide and open. If you didn't care for the 7770 too much, and if you like a large bore, or open feel, I'm not sure I'd advise you to for the 5000 YLT. The T is for thin bell, like the 7770. I play soft (very soft, actually), and a thin bell works ok for me - usually. I'm playing a similar horn, the 5000L YLS (standard weight bell, not the T for thin), and it is a GREAT horn. Open, and it produces a gorgeous tone. Also, if you order a CarolBrass horn new, ordering from Thomann's in Europe may save you hundreds of dollars. American sellers just ask for much more. I can usually find new horns from Thomann's, shipped to us in the U.S., for less than many ask for used CarolBrass horns here. Can't quite figure that out... But it's real. Here's a demo of the CarolBrass 5000L YLS; ruclips.net/video/S1-bjVINv8E/видео.html It's an outstanding horn. And the light version bell could work for you - if you don't play too loud. I think the thin bells can get a thin sound to a power player. Food for thought. :) Glad you like the Carol flugel!! A good flugel can really build your lip strength; that deep cup mouthpiece and big backbore in the mouthpiece can build very strong chops. Keep in touch! :)
Josh Backherms Josh; Thank you. I've always felt that tone was the most important thing. The problem is finding time to keep the technique up to par (tonguing, etc.). I've got the soundtrack to "You Raise Me Up"; it's just a matter of finding the time to make the vid. I'll try to get it done in the next week. Several have said they'd like to hear me try to play a whole song... We'll see if we can get it together. Thanks again for the kind comment!
Dazzlemaster: Greetings - great to hear from you. I'm still intending to put up that vid I promised you (give me time, man... :) ). Sometimes the best change with mouthpieces is no change at all. Louis Armstrong, the great trumpeter from 1950 and/or thereabouts, used a 7C most (if not all) of his career - and he was one of the best ever. But if you do want to switch - do you want more volume and a darker sound (that may mean go larger, like a 5B, etc.) or are you thinking something that would make the higher range easier, maybe then something like a Marcinkiewicz Shew 1.5? Do keep in touch! Jonathan
Dazzlemaster Cortez Mouthpieces are not cheap; new a custom piece (or one that's very popular) can cost you $100 or more. Because of this, and also because it can be challenging to find just the right mouthpiece, I almost always buy used pieces. I check Ebay and have bought some there but most of the mouthpieces I buy come from TrumpetHerald.com. Here's a link to the mouthpieces there... www.trumpetherald.com/marketplace.php?class_cats=9 Here's one that may work for you (just maybe)... Marcinkiewicz E13 Findley cornet mouthpiece for $35 here - www.trumpetherald.com/marketplace.php?task=detail&id=73736 I've used Marcinkiewicz mouthpieces for years. This piece may have a larger rim than the 7C (it may be closer than the numbers show [because it's very difficult to measure the rim of a mouthpiece correctly) but it will be quite shallow. Maybe too shallow; that type cup is a bit shallow for me. It may be worth a try; the price isn't too bad. At least it's food for thought.
Dazzlemaster Cortez Here's another... www.trumpetherald.com/marketplace.php?task=detail&id=73795&s=Various-Mouthpiece-sale The Bach 7E there should be about the same rim as you're using - but much shallower... And only $10!!
Love this dark sound.
Nice horn John, I came into a 1921 CG Conn victor cornet it didn't have some of the components sadly missing the music lyre and there seems to be a screw on the tuning slide not the opera glass tuner but the tuning slide its self; any idea what may have been there?
Hey John I'm planning to purchase both a new trumpet and mouthpiece and I was wondering if you had any trumpets that you enjoyed or mouthpieces that you enjoy. I only have a max of 1,800 and I was wondering what trumpet, and mouthpiece would be the best equipped for playing jazz.
Michael; Greetings. I got in late tonight and do want to think about this for a bit. Please go to my site and send me a contact from this page - then I'll email you some ideas, ok? Here's the page to contact me... www.jonathanmilam.com/contact-jonathan.html Thanks, Michael.
Aha, interesting review! The other day I ordered a Curry 3VC, and today I bought a 1920s Conn 6A, which apparently is like the 80A but slightly smaller bore. (Not much out there on the internet about it.) Hoping I can still get a fairly warm cornet tone out of the setup.
Hope you enjoy it! Curry's VC is a great piece. Should give you a bit of a breathy, warm tone. Good luck, Brent! The 6A should be a much better horn than the 80A (which has a HUGE bore size). I love the micro-tuner, such a great feature.
@@JonathanMilam1 Thank you! The Conn just arrived, I think I got a steal from an auction with very poor photos. It's either a 4A or a 6A. No marking on the leadpipe. Gold wash bell under all of this tarnish. Sounds good with the 3VC, but the "Ideal" 2 mpc that came with it sounds good too; hmm. Anyway!
Isn't that funny? I bought a cheap Conn cornet years ago (all the slides stuck, etc.), but loved the old Conn mouthpiece. It works in all the vintage Conn cornets. While I can't say what is special about it, it puts out a great sound on old Conn horns. Congrats on your purchase! And the mouthpiece, too. :)
Hello Jonathan. I have one of these from 1921. Mine has the mechanism, and believe it or not it extends the second slide too! this was why the second slide on the earlier versions sticks straight out rather than being at an angle. The rod is like a cam and on the way back it pulls the slide back in. What this does mean though is that you can only tune the instrument via the bell tuning. The front slide is only for the change to A.
Gordon; Greetings. I've never had one with that mechanism - but I've read about them. I've had several vintage Conn horns and I've found them quite impressive. I'm not too fond of the really large bore that some carried but other than that (and that's a personal thing) I really like the vintage Conn's. Haven't had one in a while - but I frequently look for them. Take care and thanks for the comment - keep in touch! :)
Hello Jonathan. I uploaded a video yesterday of mine and in it I show how the mechanism works. Its a shame we don't get too many Conn instruments over here in the UK. They were never as popular, even at the student end of the market, as we had our own makers like Boosey and Hawkes and then European makers. I am enjoying going through your videos. Some interesting things there.
Gordon; I'm thrilled you put up a video of yours! That really is what we need here; more horn vids - especially for general knowledge rather than merely for purposes of selling. I'm on the road presently but will try to put a link to your vid from my comments, if you don't mind. I sold a lovely Conn trumpet from 1926 or so to a fine fellow in the UK. We've discussed vintage instruments several times via email and he'd agree with you... Not too many vintage horns from the U.S. available elsewhere. I don't really collect instruments and do sell most of those I find. It's been my pleasure to ship a few to the UK, several to France, Russia, New Zealand, Australia and several to Singapore. I'm always thrilled to see them find appreciation around the world.
Most of the American vintage cornets and trumpets in the UK were imported by one man in the 1980's who toured the US, especially high schools, and packed shipping containers with old instruments which were brought here and refurbished. A lot of them were originally top end instruments that had ended up retired to be used by school kids. The exchange rate made this a lucrative business for a while. Keep up the good work!
Johnathan would a large bore cornet feel as open as a large bore trumpet ( same bore size) and do large bore ( free blowing ) instruments make articulation more difficult ? As always thanks so much, Johnathan.
Greetings! Some excellent questions. :) Strangely, it isn't the bore size that makes an instrument seem open to me (although we're all different), it's actually the size of the receiver and leadpipe. Most of the large bore trumpets I've had didn't seem too large to initially play because they were balanced with a leadpipe that was acceptably sized. For instance, Bach Strads are usually labeled 25 (usually regarded as a restrictive leadpipe, 25-0 (a 25 that's opened a bit), 43 (larger yet), etc. Then the bore size is also listed; usually ML (medium-large), M or L. I think what most people feel is that the large bore will give a more volume BUT I believe most people fear that a large bore horn will hurt their endurance. That's my general thought on bore size, and it closely pertains to the related leadpipe size. If it's not clear, feel free to reply accordingly (minus cuss words, of course :) ) That said, I did have a 38A Connstellation cornet that played HUGE. .485 bore, and I honestly feared that horn. :) Great tone, really pretty, but it was just too large for me. That's the bore size of a valve trombone, I believe. The Conn 80A also shared that bore size; just a bit too large for me. Cornet and Trumpet? I think if they had similar leadpipe's and similar bore sized they'd play rather similar, but the receiver of a cornet (and the mouthpiece at the end going into the cornet) are usually smaller, so they do play a bit tighter... That's my experience, anyway. Always enjoy these thoughts; let me know what you think. As for articulation, I think that's a mouthpiece thing; again, my feelings. A deeper mouthpiece cup requires more work for articulation, upper range, etc. :)
Jonathan Milam: Jonathan you’re a top RUclipsr 😇... thx for your detailed response, few would take time to respond like you did. I started out with the Yamaha student horn that I kick myself even to this day for selling, in retrospect it was a good player. Along the way I purchased a Carol brass flugelhorn that has since spoiled me because the valves were lightning & free blowing as a windy Prairie. I am in search for a Trumpet that is free blowing, I am so tired of stuffy horns like my current Holton student horn. I tested the Carol brass 7770, it was a nice horn but neither stuffy or open nevertheless a nice trumpet but nothing that I would want to play every day. I have been reading about the Carol Brass CTR-5000 YLT, The Carol brass 5282L GLTO large Bore euro, just wondering if that’s too big of a bore. Also been reading about the flip Oaks b-flat trumpet. I have not played a Bach 72 but would not be opposed to buying a used one that was in good shape. I know that you have played a lot of trumpets in your time, yes everybody’s different but I would still like to get feedback from you on trumpets or for that matter of fact cornets that are open free blowing and articulate well. Carol Brass has a medium large bore double trigger cornet in their lineup that’s a beauty but I’m always afraid a tightly wound Cornet. Not asking you to guarantee anything, just your general thoughts on open blowing trumpets as I consider my next trumpet going forward. Always look forward to your RUclips productions and your enthusiastic demeanor for us brass enthusiasts...God bless.
Thanks for your kind words, they're appreciated. I've had 7 or 8 CarolBrass horns; they can be great. I've had few models I wasn't fond of. By the way, your flugel is probably a .433 bore; that would be considered small. :) But with the open leadpipe and (usually) deep mouthpiece and open throat and backbore - a flugel can feel huge; nice, comfy, wide and open. If you didn't care for the 7770 too much, and if you like a large bore, or open feel, I'm not sure I'd advise you to for the 5000 YLT. The T is for thin bell, like the 7770. I play soft (very soft, actually), and a thin bell works ok for me - usually. I'm playing a similar horn, the 5000L YLS (standard weight bell, not the T for thin), and it is a GREAT horn. Open, and it produces a gorgeous tone. Also, if you order a CarolBrass horn new, ordering from Thomann's in Europe may save you hundreds of dollars. American sellers just ask for much more. I can usually find new horns from Thomann's, shipped to us in the U.S., for less than many ask for used CarolBrass horns here. Can't quite figure that out... But it's real. Here's a demo of the CarolBrass 5000L YLS; ruclips.net/video/S1-bjVINv8E/видео.html It's an outstanding horn. And the light version bell could work for you - if you don't play too loud. I think the thin bells can get a thin sound to a power player. Food for thought. :) Glad you like the Carol flugel!! A good flugel can really build your lip strength; that deep cup mouthpiece and big backbore in the mouthpiece can build very strong chops. Keep in touch! :)
Hey john do u think u could post a video of you playing You Raise Me Up by josh groban. I really love that song on trumpet
you have a very pretty tone and i would love to hear you play
Josh Backherms Josh; Thank you. I've always felt that tone was the most important thing. The problem is finding time to keep the technique up to par (tonguing, etc.). I've got the soundtrack to "You Raise Me Up"; it's just a matter of finding the time to make the vid. I'll try to get it done in the next week. Several have said they'd like to hear me try to play a whole song... We'll see if we can get it together. Thanks again for the kind comment!
Johnny,I Have a 7c mouthpiece and I'm deciding to changing into a different one.Which one would you most likely recommend? Thanks.
Dazzlemaster: Greetings - great to hear from you. I'm still intending to put up that vid I promised you (give me time, man... :) ). Sometimes the best change with mouthpieces is no change at all. Louis Armstrong, the great trumpeter from 1950 and/or thereabouts, used a 7C most (if not all) of his career - and he was one of the best ever. But if you do want to switch - do you want more volume and a darker sound (that may mean go larger, like a 5B, etc.) or are you thinking something that would make the higher range easier, maybe then something like a Marcinkiewicz Shew 1.5? Do keep in touch! Jonathan
Thanks,I'm trying to improve my high register sounds on my King 600.
Thanks,I'm trying to improve my high registers on my King 600.
Dazzlemaster Cortez Mouthpieces are not cheap; new a custom piece (or one that's very popular) can cost you $100 or more. Because of this, and also because it can be challenging to find just the right mouthpiece, I almost always buy used pieces. I check Ebay and have bought some there but most of the mouthpieces I buy come from TrumpetHerald.com. Here's a link to the mouthpieces there... www.trumpetherald.com/marketplace.php?class_cats=9
Here's one that may work for you (just maybe)... Marcinkiewicz E13 Findley cornet mouthpiece for $35 here - www.trumpetherald.com/marketplace.php?task=detail&id=73736 I've used Marcinkiewicz mouthpieces for years. This piece may have a larger rim than the 7C (it may be closer than the numbers show [because it's very difficult to measure the rim of a mouthpiece correctly) but it will be quite shallow. Maybe too shallow; that type cup is a bit shallow for me. It may be worth a try; the price isn't too bad. At least it's food for thought.
Dazzlemaster Cortez Here's another... www.trumpetherald.com/marketplace.php?task=detail&id=73795&s=Various-Mouthpiece-sale The Bach 7E there should be about the same rim as you're using - but much shallower... And only $10!!