History Of Electronic Drums: Episode 3 (1987-1989)

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  • Опубликовано: 1 янв 2025

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  • @demonicsweaters
    @demonicsweaters 4 года назад +12

    Jesus man, that SDX module is INSANE. I feel like I'm in Tron looking at that thing. Also, you gotta love Bill Bruford, what an awesome drummer and so cool how he embraced all this stuff so much.

    • @andrewharbron5841
      @andrewharbron5841 4 года назад

      Embraced and UNDERSTOOD! Jeez so much of this must have been mentally out of reach for, well, everyone.

    • @carlosserrano3985
      @carlosserrano3985 4 года назад +1

      I was very close to buy an SDX in year 2000 for $1,500 but the owner at the last moment change his mind, he told me he paid $10k brand new, he got it stored at his grandma house, I was impressed to see it, very advance for it's time.

    • @demonicsweaters
      @demonicsweaters 4 года назад

      @@carlosserrano3985 oh man, too bad. It's probably still collecting dust somewhere.

    • @carlosserrano3985
      @carlosserrano3985 4 года назад +1

      @@demonicsweaters I know but it was out of my hands, still got my beloved Simmons SDSV in white.

    • @mkitchens9016
      @mkitchens9016 3 года назад +1

      Hey what up demons sweater I like your show too both of you guys you and Justin you son-of-a-gun are some good drummers and good teachers I enjoy watching y'all

  • @beltube
    @beltube 3 года назад +3

    i'm so glad bill bruford is so prominently featured in this series, him and Pat Mastelotto were the drummers that got me interested in e-drums (having not previously been a drummer myself)!

  • @DouglasLippi
    @DouglasLippi 4 года назад +8

    The 80s were not only the golden age of electronic drums, but the peak of human civilization!

  • @lancelathrop2255
    @lancelathrop2255 5 месяцев назад

    Loved the video. The SDX shown starting at around 7:12 was owned by Jym Dyngler and was eventually sold to me. Small world.

  • @christheghostwriter
    @christheghostwriter 2 года назад

    I saw Yes on their Union tour circa 1991 (?),, when they basically had the old lineup and the new lineup on stage at the same time (with singer Jon Anderson and bassist Chris Squire as the only common members). The stage was round, with drummer Alan White on one side and drummer Bill Bruford on the other side. White had a conventional kit, and Bruford had a massive electronic kit like the one pictured in this video. That was my first introduction to a full-on electronic drum set, and I was blown away. By 1993/94, I was playing in a techno/electronica group and had a Roland kit (with the triangular drum pads and the Simmons-ish kick pad). I miss those days when I was young and everything was new...

  • @jrfrondelli2023
    @jrfrondelli2023 4 года назад

    I bought one of the first Simmons Trixer units in the USA, solely from the ad! It served me well for many years on the busy wedding band circuit here in New York. Later, I used a Simmons Portakit with an Alesis D4 as my kit, with a kick trigger (FatKat) and Alesis D4 module. It all worked really well back then. :)

  • @zeros-gy7bl
    @zeros-gy7bl 9 месяцев назад

    Appreciate your hard work on this series! I finally got my first e-drum kit! I'm an early 80s baby, so studying the history has been really amazing!

  • @drummingwithscissors661
    @drummingwithscissors661 4 года назад

    Wow, great video!!!!
    I had two Material Innovations pads the late 80s. It had a surface that was similar to a super-ball. Very bouncy but I love it. I used one for a ride cymbal and one for hi-hat. At the time it was the most “real” feeling pad especially in contrast to my Simmons SDS9 and Roland PD31 pads. (I also had Gretsch and Tama pads in the 80s, but the SDS9s and PD31s were my main kit)
    Mine had a red top and black sides. I don’t remember paying a lot of money for it. Probably less than $50 at the time.
    I’m thankful you included the Material Innovations pads in your video. I had long forgotten the name of these pads and wish I had one today to use as a cowbell or FX pad.
    I appreciate the very detailed look at the history of eDrums, watching the 1980s episodes was a walk down memory lane for me.
    Keep up the great work!!

  • @99beatmonster
    @99beatmonster 4 года назад

    Hi Justin, you refer to the Simmons Mallet Station...it's actually called a Silicon Mallet and used the same voicing as the SDE but in an attached module. The SDX has 14 positional pad inputs plus the Bass and Rim inputs which were mono with 3 velocity layers. The hi-hat has 2 positional zones with 3 velocity layers each plus a 'closed' pedal down sound. It is a great sampler too. I currently use SDX with SD cards as storage. Bill Bruford is actually using 2 SDX's in the video which are visible either side of him, this effectively doubles the polyphony. The SDX was released with features for use as a keyboard controlled sampler along the lines of a Fairlight and this was part of the reason for delays in the initial release as the software was heavily revised. I hope this helps. I do enjoy your videos very much and the comments are meant in a positive way. Regards from the UK.

  • @VoidR
    @VoidR 4 года назад

    I actually had a TBX 3 in '91 to augment my Octopad 2. Wish I still had it for nostalgia sake. Seeing it mentioned here made my day!

  • @inlasttonowhere4459
    @inlasttonowhere4459 4 года назад

    Thank you Justin. And here I thought I knew stuff... hahaha, nope. I love it! My Hart Dynamic Pro set & i giggled like school girls when you Mentioned Hart Dynamics🤪😄😄😀✌

  • @doubledragtap
    @doubledragtap 3 года назад

    I'm from Brazil and had never heard of those brands. Excellent research work here, congrats.

  • @philboland4441
    @philboland4441 4 года назад

    Great series Justin! You did a heck of job with your research. A series like this has been lacking in the edrum space for far too long. IMHO every edrummer should watch these videos.

  • @dblyth5098
    @dblyth5098 3 года назад

    The Paragon System was mentioned in my Local Weekly Newspaper (unsure of the year, till a few mins ago) it was made in Streetly near Birmingham UK, near where I lived at the time.
    I could try and dig out the article, if the Library wasn't closed due to COVID.
    Band ULTRAVOX used (endorsed) them.

  • @johnkokinis2313
    @johnkokinis2313 4 года назад

    Great series of videos. Psyched for part 4.

  • @josephpezza1027
    @josephpezza1027 4 года назад

    This should be on the history channel!!!!
    I'm captivated! Can't wait for the next one!
    Awesome 👍

  • @JColeJohnson
    @JColeJohnson 4 года назад +1

    Hey Justin this is the best electronic drum history video so far. At the end of this busy era, the on bored sounds became cliche and the sound quality was poor.
    I’m looking forward to installment four!

  • @philippes1987
    @philippes1987 4 года назад +1

    12:22 that drum beat sounds great, very 80’s industrial

    • @65Drums
      @65Drums  4 года назад

      It's really catchy

  • @_P_M_
    @_P_M_ 4 года назад

    I had the Techtonics kick trigger, but I seem to remember it being DW branded. Also had the TBX3, which I used as a 3 zone ride. I used LP spikes for cymbals. Everything ran into a PM16 and then the R8m (with two FX processors). It was a nice setup. Cost me more than I ever ended up making in my band. Great job on this series.

  • @johndef5075
    @johndef5075 4 года назад +4

    3 episodes and still havent gotten to my TD10 yet!😂 Very thorough and informative.

    • @65Drums
      @65Drums  4 года назад +1

      That's the 90s ;) or the 2000s depending on which version of the TD10 you own :)

  • @66meikou
    @66meikou 4 года назад +2

    I know a lot about Simmons and e drums in particular but you have gone way past my knowledge from those days. Well played sir!

  • @artemusmusic
    @artemusmusic 4 года назад

    Loving this series! Been subscribed for a few years now and after 25 years as a drummer, finally pulled the trigger on the Alesis Command Mesh. You're channel has been a big help in navigating the completely different world of eDrums. Thanks!

  • @parcel2025
    @parcel2025 Год назад

    I had the Cheetah MD8 drum machine, fitted with different sound chips, u could get spares from the factory in Cardiff...

  • @drummermomcjs
    @drummermomcjs 4 года назад

    Once again great video. I look forward to the series continuing.

    • @65Drums
      @65Drums  4 года назад

      Thanks! Just dropped episode 4 about an hour ago

    • @drummermomcjs
      @drummermomcjs 4 года назад

      @@65Drums Great, then I shall be watching that video tomorrow. :-)

  • @demonicsweaters
    @demonicsweaters 4 года назад

    Excellent video Justin. Highly interesting, educational and very well done. A++++!!!!!

  • @DEADLINETV
    @DEADLINETV 4 года назад

    Damn! The sheer effort! Very well put together! Was a joy to watch!

  • @knuto8826
    @knuto8826 4 года назад

    Another FANTASTIC episode Justin. Marvelous production.

  • @johnmiller4553
    @johnmiller4553 4 года назад

    LOVIN THESE DOCUMENTARIES JUSTIN.... GREAT JOB.. VERY INTERESTING AND INFORMATIVE BROTHER 🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙

  • @janpaolomanaog6107
    @janpaolomanaog6107 4 года назад

    Hey Justin I love your vids! Hoping to have a edrums! My family can't afford to buy edrums hahaha thank you for your vids!

  • @the_rustydoornob1164
    @the_rustydoornob1164 4 года назад +5

    Never tapped on a notification so fast in my life can’t wait for the 20 minutes of corrections due to the comments of the previous video like “OMG YOU FORGOT TO MENTION TBIS ONE OBSCURE PROTOTYPE MADE BY THIS ONE KID IN A GARAGE BAND UNSUBBED AND UNLIKED”

  • @gefuehlsfrech
    @gefuehlsfrech 4 года назад

    Haha, great, you bring back tears in my eyes 'cos you start with my loved Sonor Mini Mammut System. I love to have it, but I hate how it works with a few cartridges for a tom tom, a timpani and a few percussion sounds. ;-)

  • @iternityhuman1782
    @iternityhuman1782 4 года назад

    Very excellent report gr8 job...65 Drums!!!!!!

  • @mediumstudio
    @mediumstudio 4 года назад

    this is awesome! thanks for making this series!

  • @nicknisthlm
    @nicknisthlm 4 года назад

    Great history doc - thank you for all the work you must have put into this-amazing job 😊

  • @ZaxDrumsGolfandMore
    @ZaxDrumsGolfandMore 4 года назад

    Very informative Justin!! I think the Roland Bar is the closet thing to that drum hugger from Simmons!!

  • @squidskunk
    @squidskunk 4 года назад

    thank you for putting in so much work...this is a GREAT series! fav drum chanle

  • @natehine8541
    @natehine8541 4 года назад

    Cool series !!

    • @65Drums
      @65Drums  4 года назад

      Thanks Nate!

  • @PaulBirm
    @PaulBirm 4 года назад

    Justin- Great stuff as usual- keep it rocking!

  • @benbarletta2927
    @benbarletta2927 Год назад

    I'm surprised that nothing on Terry Bozzio's Missing Person's kit was mentioned? Not to mention something called "sound chest"? Seems like a storage unit for sounds that could be accessed?

  • @velonaut303
    @velonaut303 4 года назад

    Hey Justin. Love the videos, as you said so little is out there about electronic drums in the 80s. I'm very passionate about 80s drum history, and have done a tone of research over the years. I do have a few corrections around the Roland and Yamaha gear.
    4:51 The 1984 Alpha drums module (DDR-30) was not officially paired with the 1987 Midi Percussion System (Pads or PM16 module). However, I'm sure many triggered the DDR-30 from the new Roland kit. The most obvious way is over midi allowing use of the new and more advanced trigger settings of PM16. However, theoretical you could use a balanced cable with TRS output connector (from the pads) to the XLR input of the DDR-30 module.
    12:10 The 1988 Yamaha electronic kit is actually called the "Yamaha Electronic Percussion System 1" drum kit. PCM-1 is the midi controller brain. Totally understandable mistake, since Alex Graham miss labeled in book his book Electronic Drumfax. The original brochure, available at vintagedrumguide, called the kit the "Yamaha Electronic Percussion System 1". Which is odd name since previous generation was called D8.

    • @65Drums
      @65Drums  4 года назад +1

      Ahh I see. I'm glad I didn't stumble and say the PD31 generation pads were sold with the DDR-30 module. It makes sense that drummers would buy them separate and pair the two systems together though, thanks for the confirmation. I really wish Yamaha had an official page about their electronic drum history like Roland does. Would have made my life easier. The company website only has information about their edrums 2 generations back or so. Like you guessed I got the name from the book Electronic Drumfax. I read lots of out of print books and magazines, but Alex Graham is the only one making current history of edrum books.

    • @wim_camps
      @wim_camps 4 года назад

      According to the PM-16 Owner's manual, the configuration was as follows:
      PD-11/21/31 --> PM-16 --> TR-505/TR-707/TR-727

  • @earldrum
    @earldrum 4 года назад

    Amazing work! You made a great documentary! BTW, I knew guy that invented the innovation percussion pads ... they were structural form with poured rubbers pad surface over a pizzio tweeter. I’m pretty sure I used that Octapad that was seen in the ad ... as it was owned by the keyboard player in my band. Anyhow, I had a black structural foam pad with AF swirled in the pad surface. I think it was made to be given to Anton Fig ... I don’t think it ever made it to him! I traded the two pads I had and an Alesis D4 for a Noble & Cooley snare drum ... I got the better end of that deal!

  • @Cydsdad
    @Cydsdad 4 года назад

    Well Done Thankx

  • @TraderRobin
    @TraderRobin 3 года назад +1

    I used to use the first Roland kit; and then the Simmons SDS-8; then I switched to the Yamaha PMC-1; then I switched to the Yamaha PTX-8 kit, but used the old kick pad from the PMC-1 kit (with an alteration so it would trigger the PTX-8 module). I also had a Roland SPD-8 (octapad) placed above the hi hat. I later made the mistake of experimenting with the Acupads, but found they wouldn't trigger the Alesis D-4 drum module for shit, so I sold them (for a HUGE loss). Argh!!
    During those years, I had also played around with Syndrum CMs; the Synares; a Simmons SDS-7 brain; a Simmons SDS-1 (using EPROM chips), LP Spikes, and several other gadgets and pads.
    Then, I finally just bought a new white 6 piece Yamaha Recording Custom acoustic kit with Sennheiser MD-421 drum mics. PROBLEM SOLVED!!

  • @DouglasLippi
    @DouglasLippi 4 года назад

    Cool about Sonor!

  • @vincecassone9159
    @vincecassone9159 4 года назад

    Hi Justin. Good to see you making videos again. Definitely enjoying the history lesson so far. Can you make a video for the Korg Wavedrum and/or similar products to it? I've been fascinated with it ever since the Vic Firth Danny Carey video came out and have been ultra interested in adding a dynamic world percussion element to my own acoustic kit.

  • @jonathanbott1144
    @jonathanbott1144 4 года назад

    Hah! And I thought I was old school. In the last month I have picked up a TD-5 and a TD-7 turbo. Got both really cheap. I am not a drummer really but I love drums both acoustic and electronic.

  • @wolflover789
    @wolflover789 2 года назад

    Speaking of Dauz pads, in around 99 or so I bought one of his full pad kits that were black on back, black on front striking surface but had a red zebra like design. Oddly enough he sent them to the wrong address and when I asked why I didn't receive them, he realized his error but almost angrily insisted I tell the shipping company that they arrived but were stolen. I said no and he eventually sent another kit but he wasn't exactly friendly. Haha

  • @passiton3801
    @passiton3801 2 года назад

    Yep, I had a Cheetah MD-8 drum machine, I eventually swapped for an Alesis Sr -16, which was middied to a Yammy DD-12.
    When I played over in the States in 93, on a 2 week evangelism tour, including cutting 5 tracks, in a specially built studio in the sticks...

  • @OyeChico.x8
    @OyeChico.x8 4 года назад

    Hello, I would like to ask you a quitaron about if I could use a studio monitor to connect to an workstation drum set?. I just don't want get a new amp if my monitor(220w) could work as well. Thanks for your videos.

  • @scottlowell493
    @scottlowell493 4 года назад

    I had a couple LP spikes- they were sensitive, but very susceptible to sympathetic triggering.

  • @MikeSnyderDrums
    @MikeSnyderDrums 4 года назад

    Thanks for recognizing Trigger Perfect drum triggers!

    • @65Drums
      @65Drums  4 года назад

      They were pretty important in the history of drum triggers!

    • @MikeSnyderDrums
      @MikeSnyderDrums 4 года назад

      @@65Drums - Out was a great time, very near the start.

  • @PoodleHead2005
    @PoodleHead2005 4 года назад

    Wish those Bertasi electronic drums were more widely used!

  • @PEP.
    @PEP. 4 года назад

    Litterally watching whilst playing my td17kvx

    • @dti6342
      @dti6342 4 года назад

      I’m playing my Td-1kv

    • @PEP.
      @PEP. 4 года назад

      DØTI I litterally just upgraded that kit and bought a td17kvx - WORTH EVERY PENNY

  • @PEP.
    @PEP. 4 года назад

    First! Great vid!

  • @steevidrums
    @steevidrums 4 года назад +1

    Justin, I always love seeing your vids.. they're always so well put together and you have above all else a very objective view point, but you've gone one up on these "History of..." vids. So a well deserve applause from me!!!
    Ps. In the 90s, will you cover Sapphire percussion?

    • @65Drums
      @65Drums  4 года назад

      Thanks Stephen! yes I'm covering Sapphire Percussion next episode. Although the information about them is a bit limited. Editing it all together now

    • @steevidrums
      @steevidrums 4 года назад

      @@65Drums That's great news. Yeah I asked because they were very short lived. I actually spoke with the owner of the company on the phone once. I was working for a music shop, running a drum dept, I was major into electronic drums back then (around 1991-1992 ish) but my enthusiasm was not mirrored with other drummers I spoke with. Anyway, he called me about distributing his products in UK. The shop I worked for, well... we wouldnt have been a good choice, so I directed him toward a London Shop (where I got my Kat Pads and MIDI kiti trigger interface) called Impact Percussion. I guess it didn't work out as that was the last time I heard about them.

  • @maxmatson1578
    @maxmatson1578 4 года назад

    I appreciate you making this documentary.🙏👍 Synthesized electronic drumming is something I am very much appreciative of.I would very much love for you to shine a spotlight on the Electronic drumming wizard that is cEvin Key of "skinny puppy". His notorious electronic drum kit called the "Drumasaurus" Incorporated various Drum brands of all kinds from different eras. And was very cutting-edge on his sound design and his inventive playing. A personal hero of mine! BrAp oN!!¡!✋✌

  • @soldierboy7684
    @soldierboy7684 4 года назад

    Hey, man, love your stuff! I was wondering if after this series you could do in depth thing on how to use a foot pedal to run clicks? Kinda like how a lot of artists you cover uses? Thank you so much if you do!

  • @skinnyboyfireworks1090
    @skinnyboyfireworks1090 4 года назад

    A lot of Romantic groups from Mexico used a lot of the roland ddr30 and the roland pd21. Almost every group had those drumsets but los temerarios were famous for using the ddr30. Making there music one of a kind

  • @carlosserrano3985
    @carlosserrano3985 4 года назад +4

    There was an electronic drum company that is forgotten here, the Walker electronic drums came around 1986 and it was a digital kit. I think it was short lived company but I remember seeing their ads on modern drummer.
    You can see it on this video on a band called Device.
    ruclips.net/video/XxkiYJ5udqc/видео.html

  • @daedmaet
    @daedmaet 4 года назад

    Hi
    Can I talk to you somewhere? I need help picking between two sets.

  • @teclas101official5
    @teclas101official5 4 года назад

    I actually still own a Roland pd 31
    Love your channel just subscribed

  • @verstrahlt1907
    @verstrahlt1907 4 года назад

    would please someone write down the link or the name of the concert,
    where those many SIMMONS pads arev played. Thank you.

    • @verstrahlt1907
      @verstrahlt1907 4 года назад

      Oh, I see: ruclips.net/video/QeDnavPiMxA/видео.html

  • @that1kiddrummer708
    @that1kiddrummer708 2 года назад

    Holy crap ur right

  • @bojang6475
    @bojang6475 3 года назад

    You have to check out boom theory, the owners name is Al , and the drums are all hand made and he designed an excellent brain.

  • @johannhjorleifsson
    @johannhjorleifsson 4 года назад

    You have the order of the Yamaha kits wrong there. PMC-1 was first.

  • @reeread
    @reeread 4 года назад

    The Korg DRM1 was my 1st dedicated drums module. I Purchased it with an entire library of cards. I plugged Simmons pads into it as well as acoustic triggers and a Kat percussion DK10 via midi. My acoustic drums were north drums so my Kit got a lot of attention, but the reality of it was that the north drums sounded like crap, The hard Simmons hurt my hands to play hard, and the Korg DRM1’s 12 bit engine would reboot if I played to many notes for it to handle. The KAT DK10 was a great and well thought out product aside from the trigger pads requiring consistent use or they would develop dead pads if it went unused. The entire drum kit was a beautiful space aged looking POS 😂

  • @scottlane6353
    @scottlane6353 3 года назад

    So a little off-topic, but when I heard it, it just instantly jumped out at me so I have to ask: At 2:12 you mention Neil Peart using a pad with a target on it . . . and you pronounce his name, "Pier-T" versus what I have heard, and always pronounce it, which is: "Pert". Not calling you out on this, because I really have no idea, I've been saying it right all this time, or not. So, just asking the question: Is it in fact "Pier-t"? I'm wondering if Neil himself pronounces it that way. It would be an interesting bit of info to share with my other Rush fans, if Neil actually goes by "Pier-t" . . . . . .

  • @ssenssel
    @ssenssel 4 года назад

    Hey, nice job. I'm from Brazil, if you need help translating anything let me know.

  • @legoer5759
    @legoer5759 4 года назад

    Hey Justin, I love your edrum history videos.
    I ‘m trying to buy a headphone for my edrum. I watched your edrum headphone videos, but they are from few years ago. Do you still recommend sennheiser HD headphones? Any new recommendations?

  • @Pepijn_a.k.a._Akikaze
    @Pepijn_a.k.a._Akikaze 4 года назад

    Great video but you could slow down a bit.

  • @karmyarmy9237
    @karmyarmy9237 4 года назад

    Awesome video! I’ve seen a lot of your videos about recording drums and I wanted to ask if it’s possible to record drums by connecting the mics of an acoustic set to a mixer and then connect a 1/4 inch output to a device like iRig or even to a computer with Audacity on it, will it work?

  • @EricFDrums
    @EricFDrums 4 года назад +3

    "Clone of a clone, just a more sucky version"......Best line of the entire series :)

  • @tonjohn_
    @tonjohn_ 4 года назад

    Hello! I wish to join the discord. It says that the link is already expired :(

    • @65Drums
      @65Drums  4 года назад +1

      discord.gg/aF5qUq

  • @matthewpaluch777
    @matthewpaluch777 4 года назад

    Up next...Korg Wavedrum WD-1!!!

    • @65Drums
      @65Drums  4 года назад

      Yup episode 4

  • @Flintster56
    @Flintster56 4 года назад

    Still have my 2 Pm16's and about 6 or 8 Pd 31/21's. And Pd11. Just don't use them anymore. Along with Alesis Hr 16&16B's

  • @simmonsdrums9422
    @simmonsdrums9422 3 года назад

    65 drums and next brands as Seak (Czechoslovakia) Polmuz (Poland) or Kyphon (Kryphon)

  • @dti6342
    @dti6342 4 года назад

    Justin can you pleeeaassee do a video on the millennium MPS-850 edrum kit? I’m thinking of buying it and can’t find any good reviews apart from the ones from Thomann themselves

    • @65Drums
      @65Drums  4 года назад

      They don't sell them in the USA music stores, and they don't come to the music industry conventions either. So I've never come across a Millennium kit in my life unfortunately. If Thomann ever ships one over I'll for sure make a video about it, but until then, I can't really cover that brand.

  • @farryand
    @farryand 3 года назад

    Neil who??

  • @MrJonmccann1972
    @MrJonmccann1972 4 года назад

    OMG ROM cartages.

  • @DavidOakesMusic
    @DavidOakesMusic 3 года назад +1

    That Bill Bruford kit is the very epitome of pretentious.

  • @shadcovert1160
    @shadcovert1160 4 года назад

    Yeah right. You can't prove it.