Germany - Strong Performers and Successful Reformers in Education
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- Опубликовано: 23 янв 2012
- When the first PISA tests in 2000 placed German students well below the average in OECD countries for reading and literacy, the nation was shocked. The revelation sparked a nationwide debate about Germany's school system and what was needed to improve it.
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This series of videos has been produced jointly by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) and the Pearson Foundation to present initiatives being taken by education authorities around the world to help improve the learning performance of their secondary school students. The school systems featured in these videos were chosen for their strong performance in the OECD's Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA), a three-yearly evaluation of secondary students in reading, mathematics and science.
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My family is an immigrant family in the state of Bavaria. My children and I spoke no German when we arrived. This video suggests that my children would be sent to Hauptschule after fourth grade, but that did not happen. My oldest child started in the fourth grade in Germany and my youngest child in the first grade. Both of my children started at the bottom of their classes but they improved steadily. My oldest child was given a spot in Gymnasium because of hard work and signs of steady improvement, and my youngest child will probably also go to Gymnasium. This is unusual for immigrant families who can not already speak German, but not because there is a bias against immigrants but because the system segregates children based on their willingness to work hard. The only thing I see wrong with it is that children under the age of 11 are mostly influenced by their parents willingness to ask them to work hard.
+Jane Caron To which school you should go after 4th grade is just a suggestion from the teacher, not a must. Parents can still decide and send their child to, lets say Gymnasium. If they can't keep up they can still change to Realschule The change from Realschule to Gymnasium is harder though.
+Frieda
Not in states like Bavaria.
That's really impressive and it's great and inspiring to hear such stories. But you have to take in count that the reason that your children probably did as well as they did was because you educated them well and supported them in that time. But imagine children coming from families with economic problems or parents who also went to the Hauptschule. Those parents most of the time don't look out for them or they don't educated them well. So they also go to the Hauptschule, in an environment where they hardly get supported or have the chance to improve themnself. In the most important part of their development they get told that they only have those limited option and get put in a place with other kids with almost as little education as them. How is that right?
True. Socionomic hintergrund is the main factor of getting education.
Since the students are divided into several groups/careers, could we make a judgement that the pressure of competition among the children is intensive, isn't it?
But all top countries in PISA have a divided system. In east asia it is set into place differently but it still happens. There, children take entrance exams to get into the best schools, this way students automatically get divided by academic ability. Also what they don't say in this documentary is that in Germany you can switch the school you are going to every 6 months. So when you get mainly B's at the Realschule on your half year or end of the year report card you can switch to Gymnasium. I saw the everyone from every ability in one classroom school system and it was bad. The really smart kids got A's without doing much, got bored in lessons and started doing stupid stuff. The students who get A's but had to study very hard got frustrated seeing the others. Then there are the middle achievers who can't get the good grades and are frustrated and then there are the ones who fail and start doing stupid things. In the German system you are stimulating the students who can achieve accademically more while given those who struggle other standards to be successfull at and have a positive experience..
Wow, the German system really screws the kids who happen to not be top performers at ten. If I went to school in Germany, I'd probably have been stuck in the Haupschule. I'm sure many of the kids in the Haupschule are very bright. They should be able to reach their full potential.
James Connolly you won’t be stuck there forever you can change schools if you are very good and actually what’s wrong with the different schools like that kids can be taught with a different focus on practical or theoretical focus and it allows children not to be behind their class because of the pace that the school teaches in
Instead of just trying to "better diagnose" the kids so you don't accidentally sentence one to the Haupschule who doesn't "belong" there, the school system could abandon the whole three pillar concept and try to create equity like Finland.
You are able to switch the school you are at every 6 months. If you are doing well in Realschule like get B's (2 for the German school system) you can ask to switch to Gymnasium. This also happens very often.
James Connolly don’t get me wrong I don’t think that the German school system is good for various reasons