@jesuscarrillo2498 So if it's rigged, how much money are did you win?? If it is a sure thing, you definitely took out a $10k loan and out it all on the Chiefs WEEKS ago, right??
@@SteloPacinobrady won 3 rings in his first 4 seasons without a hof on offense and the most overrated hc in nfl history, same coach that was 5-11 the year before and 0-2 to start the season with that same "great" defense and 100 mil qb in Bledsoe, and tom beat him in the afc championship and superbowl in his 40s
Having a ring doesn’t make you better. That’s in any sport. There’s so many examples I don’t even get into it. With that being said, I don’t think Manning was better than Brady.
@@OGMillyMillz_ yeah i just saw this on my feed for the first time in awhile but it seems like its the same topic since 2021 with mahomes, after every game he plays lol
It’s sports media in a nutshell lol I will say though I think First Things First is brilliant in making things feel new, granted Nick Wright can be a bit of a know it all & he knows it lol but he’s good at his job!
@@marckusduverger9776 lmfao agreed if nick wright wasnt the biggest dickhead when it comes to the chiefs and lebron, he'd be the best out of all the media heads.
I'm glad you called them Shaq and Kobe instead of, say, Kariya and Selanne. It seriously irked me when some people had the audacity to compare Shedeur Sanders, a scrambling system QB, to Tom Brady just because Brady offered him a little bit of advice.
Proving the point of my other comment, you photocopied another comment and replaced the word CRAZY with INSANE. I loathe and despise you deplorable elementary school dropouts
Yea but Mahomes is only 28. If he’s able to play until he’s 40 something like Brady and keeps playing at this level it’s not out of the question that he can catch him. But he has a lot more to do for sure.
@@JD-ge9eb If it’s based off rn Lebron is closer but Pat has the better chance to pass Brady obviously because Lebron career is almost over. He’s not gonna win 2 more rings as the main option at his age.
@JD-ge9eb The issue is Kelce, Chris Jones, and Andy Reid aren't 28. If Mahomes wants to catch Brady and he certainly is on pace, then I think he will have to win without one if not all of them at some point and win just as much.
Only the media thinks Lebron and MJ is a goat debate. They have been shoving it down our throats for years. No one outside of the media thinks LeBron is the goat
Mahomes studied Brady tape, learned how to take check downs and won back to back super bowls with mid WRs when chiefs were supposed to be rebuilding. Scary
I love their interactions while debating MJ & LeBron. Sounding like every uncle at a dinner, cook out or Barber shop 🤣. The best! I love it and it feels more natural
hes def better than joe. even when joe was playing, there were guys more talented than him where as mahomes is the most talented and is consistently winning to. Also mahomes is doing this without hall of fame defenses and maybe the grestest player ever (jerry rice). i think brady is the only one with an argument because his accomplishments are just extraordinary.
Remember the media saying Montana 4-0 > Brady 5-2. But somehow Mahomes 3-1 is greater than Montana and apparently = Brady 7-3. They fought tooth and nail against giving Brady the goat title, first chance they get they are immediately trying to crown someone else.
Brady and Montana for now are more accomplished but noether had done as much in their first 6 yrs as mahomes has and mahomes is way more physically gifted than they are
@@JosephCook-r4q You're equating talent to mobility. Brady makes every throw Mahomes makes, but does it standing tall in the pocket. Also Brady had 3 superbowls in his first 4 years as a starter. Thats literally more than Mahomes did in his. Mahomes is also playing in an entirely different league rules wise. so comparing first 6 years stats is disengenous at best. Mahomes last season went for 27tds 14ints. Brady from 2007 to retirement never had a season with a sub 2:1 TD:Int ratio. Mahomes last season is literally worse than any Brady season from 2007 to retirement.
Respectfully there is no goat debate, unless Mahomes wins 6-7 championships. Jordan-Lebron debate is so great because there is no definitive answer on who’s the goat because they played in 2 different eras, they never got the chance to go against each other. Brady and Mahomes did, plus it was already past Brady’s prime and we already know how that went
You absolutely right bit it useless trying to tell these lebron fans, its like you talking a braindead person. They declare lebron ks goat because they never saw MJ dominated the league
Lebron only choked in the finals once, 2011. 2007 - going against spurs dynasty and being doubled teamed 2014 - d wade and boshs health was deteriorating a lot and wade only avg 13 and bosh 11 2015 - k love and kyrie we’re both injured and took the warriors to a game 6 2017 - played against the greatest team of all time 2018 - played against the greatest team of all time with no kyrie and dropped 50 but still lost cuz of George hill and jr smith. Lebron choked only once. Mj choked against the pistons. Mj had pippen, rodman, Phil Jackson, Steve Kerr, horace grant, and Toni kukoc. Lebron had no Williams, zydrunas illgauskas, jr smith, and Jordan clarkson in his finals runs 😂
This is such a lively topic! Mahomes and Brady, LeBron and MJ - these are legendary matchups in their respective sports. It's always exhilarating to discuss who the G.O.A.T (Greatest of All Time) is, especially in sports like football and basketball. Each of these athletes has brought so much to their games, and it's amazing to see their talents and achievements being celebrated and compared. It's discussions like these that really highlight the passion and excitement in the world of sports! 🏀🏈🌟
Get up outta here ESPN TB12 was literally proving critics wrong since before he took an NFL field in Michigan. Mahomes is great and can eclipse Brady but they keep gassin the man up and let him tell his story. He still got four Super Bowl wins To go and play at a Hall of Fame level for 21 years. So quick to give the crown to Mahomes.
@@unc54 Lol you do realize when he retires they're gonna go back and look at younger bron vs older bron? people forget easily and they think old man bron is STILL at its peak. 09 bron 12 bron and 18 bron is on another level. But good luck fading that LOL.
More teams lead to more competition. Some of the greats like Kevin Garnett played for one of those expansion teams. Crappy eras like the current NBA, add meaningless in season tournament and a play in tournaments to generate revenue, because viewership and ticket sales are down due to an unwatchable product and bad play.
Jordan, Kobe, Shaq and Pippen played 70 years in the NBA... they played less than half of those years with Coach Phil Jackson... 33/70... but in those 33 years they won a combined 21 championships... how much they win without phil? Shaq won one... other three didnt... coaching is the main factor. Stephen A knows that
@@williamsc2429y’all make it seem like just because players team up that mean they don’t have to compete. how many super teams we’ve seen fail in the league?
The biggest issue with the Jordan vs Lebron debate is people act like Jordan only played 6 years Like Washington didn't happen and he wasn't swept in the first round twice and knocked out 3 total times. Or that he has all those scoring titles because rebounding and assisting was Pippen then pippen/rodman's job. And then people act like any of Jordan's competition compares to the Spurs, or Warriors that Bron lost to.
No one acts like that, what are you talking about? Jordan accomplished FAR more in 15 years than Lebron has in 21…Jordan is 6-0 in the Finals, Lebron is 4-6…anyone with any good sense or logic can see Lebron isn’t even close to Jordan…Top 5 maybe but better than Jordan or Kareem not even close
@jhad777 You're literally doing it now dingus. Jordan also has 3 straight first round exists with 2 of them being sweeps. He shot below league average from 3 for his career, and was never the best defensive player on his championship teams. His finals competition was also subpar. Nobody ignores his 6-0 but Bill is 11-1 and people like you forget that. Jordan averaged 3 more points a game because he took 3 more shots a game and never had to be relied upon for rebounds and assists and had competent coaching with ownership. Other than rings (weak argument) what makes Jordan the goat?
@@suivatra123 3 Straight but he made the playoffs with nobody’s those years…Lebron missed the playoffs completely first 2 years, and you are wrong again, League average in the 90’s was 33% Jordan shot league average for his entire Bulls career, you don’t have to lie bro
Kareem won multiple championships with a player that was better than him... Stop it. LeBron's finals record is flawed. Yet y'all have no problem throwing it up , but when someone brings up all the times Jordan has lost all you get are excuses and lies.
Why don’t the guys use the facts… look at who has more MVPs, Defensive players of the year, All NBA, NBA All defensive teams, Scoring Titles and All Star Star games and All star game MVPs and you’ll get your answer
LeBron is closer to MJ, but Mahomes has a way better chance of passing Brady than LeBron has of passing MJ. LeBron is 40 and still a HOF career of accolades away from MJ…Mahomes is on the best trajectory of any athlete we’ve ever seen as he’s only 28 with 3 titles already.
Accolades when mj played in a much weaker era. There were no scoring guards untill Ai came into the nba. Mj played a bunch of guys who couldn’t dribble or shoot. Scoring titles are the title u get when u shoot the most shot attempts in the nba each year. Only way mj won those cause he lead the nba in shot attempts. Bron became the leading scorer passing mj in points in 1200 less shots attempts and became the #1 scorer without leading the nba in shots…..while being #4 in assist. Bron generated the most points by far
It's getting boring debating Jordan fans because when you hit them with facts they fold up and start telling lies. Making excuses and start name calling because they have nothing left. We are about to start comparing LeBron to franchises.
@@lewismoultrie5548 I feel bad for you being in the small minority that believes Bron is the Goat.... Sorry we don't believe longevity stats matter lol
@runitback2back I mean Jordan has been retired for 20+++ years.... The majority has been brainwashed for 30+ years. They know more about LeBron's career than they do Jordan's. Once LeBron retires, you will be hearing about him and everything he has done throughout his career for the next 5+ decades. Buckle up.
@runitback2back And i don't believe that Jordan dominating a decade that was dominated by big men while the Bulls had two of the best wings on their team makes Jordan untouchable. only the delusional, brainwashed folks believe all the bulshit they have been hearing for 30+ years now.
“I let you slide in to make you happy” is CRAZYYY
😂😂man
But I ain’t DO baby
You prolly 12 years old
PAUSE
Ayo !!
This wasnt even a mahomes and brady debate 😂 they are just talking aout Bron and MJ
Bruh I was about to say that
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@azariahworku1231 I had to reread the title 😂
It's all ridiculous - LeBron blew any and all chance at getting to MJ's level by summer 2011. it''s been a media con-job ever since.
@@shaft9000 my brother I do not care about the MJ and Bron debate.
Realizing we just went from two decades of the Tom Brady era straight into the Patrick Mahomes era
Cause it's rigged
This is how the NBA became what it was
Magic Larry to Michael to Shaq to Kobe to LeBron to Chef
@@jesuscarrillo2498not rigged at all
I just wanna see how Jim harbargh is gon try to stop him next season is gon be a good one
@jesuscarrillo2498 So if it's rigged, how much money are did you win?? If it is a sure thing, you definitely took out a $10k loan and out it all on the Chiefs WEEKS ago, right??
Nah first take was cooking today🤣🤣😭😭
Turned into a MJ Lebron debate real quick LMAO. ESPN is crazy
They know what they're doing and they know their audience. They aren't dumb.
Tom had like 4 rings and there were still people saying Peyton Manning was better.
Because he was, Brady’s was a Game Manger his first few Championships
Because Peyton is better, Brady fs is greater but not a better qb
@@SteloPacinobrady won 3 rings in his first 4 seasons without a hof on offense and the most overrated hc in nfl history, same coach that was 5-11 the year before and 0-2 to start the season with that same "great" defense and 100 mil qb in Bledsoe, and tom beat him in the afc championship and superbowl in his 40s
Having a ring doesn’t make you better. That’s in any sport. There’s so many examples I don’t even get into it. With that being said, I don’t think Manning was better than Brady.
@@willcolbert1406this was maybe true 6 years ago. Brady separated himself
these goat questions are just getting more and more creative with the way they ask em but i swear theyre always reiterating the same points.
That’s why I stopped watching. Same topics, different day
@@OGMillyMillz_ yeah i just saw this on my feed for the first time in awhile but it seems like its the same topic since 2021 with mahomes, after every game he plays lol
It’s sports media in a nutshell lol I will say though I think First Things First is brilliant in making things feel new, granted Nick Wright can be a bit of a know it all & he knows it lol but he’s good at his job!
@@marckusduverger9776 lmfao agreed if nick wright wasnt the biggest dickhead when it comes to the chiefs and lebron, he'd be the best out of all the media heads.
@@larryking2698can say the same about skip when it comes to tom Brady and MJ.
😂😂😂 SA and Shannon are like Shaq and Kobe. Great duo.
Bad break up coming
I'm glad you called them Shaq and Kobe instead of, say, Kariya and Selanne. It seriously irked me when some people had the audacity to compare Shedeur Sanders, a scrambling system QB, to Tom Brady just because Brady offered him a little bit of advice.
No Stephen.A is a jealous SNAKE🐍 HATING on Shannon’s PODCAST Numbers🤫
I agree😂😂😂
Yea Stephen cant share the spotlight like Shaq
3:09; 3:11: “…THAT’S A BLASPHEMOUS QUESTION!! THAT’S A BLASPHEMOUS QUESTION!!…” 😂🤣😂🤣
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
"you pass gas and have bad breath that's a technical foul" 😂😂😂
I cried😂😂😂😂
He ain’t lyin!
@@RH126B he is lying. the problem with the refs is their inconsistent calls. the players aren't soft
"I let you slide up in there because I like to make you happy" is INSANE!!! Lol these two are hilarious
Shannon is TV gold.
Proving the point of my other comment, you photocopied another comment and replaced the word CRAZY with INSANE. I loathe and despise you deplorable elementary school dropouts
Pause
SAS gonna stab Unc in the back… just watch he did it to Kellerman
My girl told me that last night .
Mahomes definitely rising but Tom got 7 rings relax 🤣
Yea but Mahomes is only 28. If he’s able to play until he’s 40 something like Brady and keeps playing at this level it’s not out of the question that he can catch him. But he has a lot more to do for sure.
@@JD-ge9eb If it’s based off rn Lebron is closer but Pat has the better chance to pass Brady obviously because Lebron career is almost over. He’s not gonna win 2 more rings as the main option at his age.
@JD-ge9eb The issue is Kelce, Chris Jones, and Andy Reid aren't 28. If Mahomes wants to catch Brady and he certainly is on pace, then I think he will have to win without one if not all of them at some point and win just as much.
Who cares what Brady has? You guys are so threatened by somebody being close to Brady LoL 😆
It's over, Mahomes is the goat all you haters are worried and keep trying to cling on but your grip is slipping 😂😂😂
This is GOLD content. Great job
"I let you slide in to make you happy" was CRAZY
I worry yal dudes minds nowadays
this was def a bet they had to see who could say it on camera first
Y’all be so fruity
@@derrickmason7457man fr
it became a lebron vs mj goat conversation than a mahomes vs brady lmao
Only the media thinks Lebron and MJ is a goat debate. They have been shoving it down our throats for years. No one outside of the media thinks LeBron is the goat
yep because mahomes isnt in the same stratosphere yet
Which proves who is closer
Because Mahomes is MUCH more closer if not already there
“You could get away wit Muggin somebody”🤣🤣🤣🤣
Shannon better be here past the NFL season 🤣🙏🏾🙏🏾
I live for Unc's giggle when someone is going off on his take/disagreeing with him 😂
SAS beat Shannon Very Bad on this argument
I’m crying this was funny asf
These 2 are hilarious together 🤣😂
T’d up for bad breath is nuts😂
nahhh "bad breath thats a technical foul" 😂💀💀
Mahomes studied Brady tape, learned how to take check downs and won back to back super bowls with mid WRs when chiefs were supposed to be rebuilding. Scary
Even more scary is they're gonna be getting weapons in free agency
Travis ain't nothing average
Mahomes really did do this & he let us know too, crazy that he’s still getting better. Kelce’s a beast too! Dude is unstoppable
The pocket presence too! Mahomes doesn’t even panic
@@DonniDixemTravis aint no WR
As soon as Molly got done reading this question I tuned my tv off
And then you came to find the RUclips clip and commented 😂
First Take is so fun to watch when you have Stephen A and Shannon debating each other.
Shannon is delusional, or he works for Klutch. Maybe both. Watching him and Gilbert Arenas is Lebron TV
Their debates are funny. I'm glad he left undisputed cuz Shannon and skip debates were stupid. Skip had no respect for Shannon.
Lebron probably at home watching thinking Unc outta pocket for saying this. lol
Yeah, Unc was out of pocket for saying that, and not attaching Pippin to Jordan's hip as the main part of his "goat" status.
Lebron pass MJ back in 2016
@@dadillonful🤣🤣🤣
@@dadillonfulfacts, Jordan never beat a team that’s good as the 2016 warriors or the 2013 spurs
Jordan been passed for 8 years already
The chemistry of these two is beautiful to watch man great segment 👏🏾
The content we need on a rainy Monday 😂
Such a hilarious segment. This duo is GREAT.
These 2 together can do no wrong
🐑
Bron is Mt. Rushmore
MJ is Mt. Olympus
mahomes could be on a different plane of existence
Ali and Russell are the components that jumpstarted the Big Bang that jump started our big bang
More like MJ is Olympus Mon
Lebum is not on any mountain. Reality,he's not top 10. He's media created. LeBron doesn't know what greatness is.
@@LuisGallegos-fh1vq 🤓
Chemistry between these 2 is hilarious, they need more one v ones like this on first take.. forget the others
This In 1.50 speed is flooring me
I just love watching Shannon turns into a Bron fanboy so on cue whenever there's a goat debate
feel like he's on a mission😂
Even Nick Wright isn't that committed...😂
Mahomes just surpassed Peyton Manning. It's now
1. Brady
2. Montana
3. Mahomes
he passed peyton last year tbh. His playoff record is way better than mannings ever was
Nah mahomes is 2nd ngl
@@globaldy8264 Montana 4-0 in super bowls. 11 tds 0 ints. He is still #2 for now.
If manning had reid, kelce and that defense he'd be more successful. Dont get me started on having hill for his first few years.
I absolutely HATE Chiefs fan but this is 100% right. Mahomes is a baddddd man
Unc Shay and Steven A are one of my fav duos on this show! Straight comedy lol
“I let you slide up in there” is diabolical 😭😭😭
“You know I let you slide up in there to keep you happy brotha” 🗣️Ayooo 😂😂😂
I loathe and despise you deplorable elementary school dropouts. Unoriginal ba$tard$ and booty hole obsessed soy boys
I love their interactions while debating MJ & LeBron. Sounding like every uncle at a dinner, cook out or Barber shop 🤣. The best! I love it and it feels more natural
guys put the video to 1,75 speed that so hilarious 🤣🤣🤣
This show gets better and better. Shannon, Steven A and Molly are GOLD
This is the greatest duo for sports
1. Brady
2. Mahomes
3. Montana
4. Peyton
5. Rodgers
Lmao how did Rodgers make that list. Do not insult those players on that list.
Brady, Montana, Mahomes... In that order as of today... But with one more he might pass Joe 😂😂😂😂
What about Bradshaw? 4 beats 3.
hes def better than joe. even when joe was playing, there were guys more talented than him where as mahomes is the most talented and is consistently winning to. Also mahomes is doing this without hall of fame defenses and maybe the grestest player ever (jerry rice). i think brady is the only one with an argument because his accomplishments are just extraordinary.
@@muddywaters92 bradshaws not top 10
@@larryking2698Joe won his first Super Bowl before Rice was ever in the league. Joe made Rice. Go fug yourself.
@@larryking2698 4 SB’s as a starting QB… umm if he’s not top 10, then Mahomes, Brady, and Montana aren’t either.
They could talk about Lebron and MJ every week and nobody would mind because this is pure entertainment 😂
Imagine MJ needing a full-time sportscaster to promote him as the GOAT for over 25 years.
Stats don't make you great, winning the big games are what make you great. Winning when it all matters is what makes you great.
I hate agreeing with Smith, but he's speaking facts
😂😂😂😂.... Got to love some Stephen A. Smith. I agreed hands down.
SAS won that Debate with More arguments no doubt.
Mike , Kobe , Lebron
Exactly
Remember the media saying Montana 4-0 > Brady 5-2. But somehow Mahomes 3-1 is greater than Montana and apparently = Brady 7-3. They fought tooth and nail against giving Brady the goat title, first chance they get they are immediately trying to crown someone else.
Brady and Montana for now are more accomplished but noether had done as much in their first 6 yrs as mahomes has and mahomes is way more physically gifted than they are
@@JosephCook-r4q You're equating talent to mobility. Brady makes every throw Mahomes makes, but does it standing tall in the pocket. Also Brady had 3 superbowls in his first 4 years as a starter. Thats literally more than Mahomes did in his. Mahomes is also playing in an entirely different league rules wise. so comparing first 6 years stats is disengenous at best. Mahomes last season went for 27tds 14ints. Brady from 2007 to retirement never had a season with a sub 2:1 TD:Int ratio. Mahomes last season is literally worse than any Brady season from 2007 to retirement.
@@MeesterCHRlSFACTS💯
Why is lebron even involved in this conversation
First take just got their version of Chuck and Shaq😂
Respectfully there is no goat debate, unless Mahomes wins 6-7 championships. Jordan-Lebron debate is so great because there is no definitive answer on who’s the goat because they played in 2 different eras, they never got the chance to go against each other. Brady and Mahomes did, plus it was already past Brady’s prime and we already know how that went
6-0 in the finals. Lebron has choked in the finals TWICE. MJ never did. No argument
You absolutely right bit it useless trying to tell these lebron fans, its like you talking a braindead person. They declare lebron ks goat because they never saw MJ dominated the league
Lebron only choked in the finals once, 2011.
2007 - going against spurs dynasty and being doubled teamed
2014 - d wade and boshs health was deteriorating a lot and wade only avg 13 and bosh 11
2015 - k love and kyrie we’re both injured and took the warriors to a game 6
2017 - played against the greatest team of all time
2018 - played against the greatest team of all time with no kyrie and dropped 50 but still lost cuz of George hill and jr smith.
Lebron choked only once. Mj choked against the pistons. Mj had pippen, rodman, Phil Jackson, Steve Kerr, horace grant, and Toni kukoc.
Lebron had no Williams, zydrunas illgauskas, jr smith, and Jordan clarkson in his finals runs 😂
Preach, SAS!
😂😂🤣🤣 Vegas got yall on fire today
This is such a lively topic! Mahomes and Brady, LeBron and MJ - these are legendary matchups in their respective sports. It's always exhilarating to discuss who the G.O.A.T (Greatest of All Time) is, especially in sports like football and basketball. Each of these athletes has brought so much to their games, and it's amazing to see their talents and achievements being celebrated and compared. It's discussions like these that really highlight the passion and excitement in the world of sports! 🏀🏈🌟
bro how did yall find a way to make this about lebron?
I love these guys… especially when they are debating about LBJ and MJ
Undisputed could never
There are levels! MJ is way above Lebron, not even close. Brady is above Mahomes for now.
A team sport will never have an absolute Goat
When 3-1 people say it’s Jordan over Lebron that is absolute
I agree with Stephen A.
Get up outta here ESPN TB12 was literally proving critics wrong since before he took an NFL field in Michigan. Mahomes is great and can eclipse Brady but they keep gassin the man up and let him tell his story. He still got four Super Bowl wins To go and play at a Hall of Fame level for 21 years. So quick to give the crown to Mahomes.
That dude just went back to back and they still made this statement about LBJ?
Ughhh fatiguing.
Stephen just killed unc 😅
No, he just sat up there and didn't let Shannon talk while he just kept saying words.
@@IsaiahS-w9t let them live in their own little bubble. You can't change someone else's nostalgia but the proof is in your face soo...
@@Kobiyashi77 Lol after LeBron retires see how fast the GOAT talk fades. Less championships and less MVPs than MJ but he's somehow better.
@@unc54 Lol you do realize when he retires they're gonna go back and look at younger bron vs older bron? people forget easily and they think old man bron is STILL at its peak. 09 bron 12 bron and 18 bron is on another level. But good luck fading that LOL.
What about bron vs kobe?
These two are like two uncles at the barbacue 🤣🤣🤣
Shannon was cooked on this one with his goat James argument. 6-0, 2 3-peat, no game 7, in a short time span, one team.😂
Trash era 😂 don’t forget about those 6 expansion teams they added in 89’ 💩
More teams lead to more competition. Some of the greats like Kevin Garnett played for one of those expansion teams.
Crappy eras like the current NBA, add meaningless in season tournament and a play in tournaments to generate revenue, because viewership and ticket sales are down due to an unwatchable product and bad play.
@@internationalpeanut1488you dumd as f*ck with that L take 😂
@@internationalpeanut1488typical nonsense media espn narrative points
@@CurtisT1019 depends on the quality of the team
Whoever thought of Putting this guys together is the Real Goat 🤣 Man I love this show!!!
Lebron paying Shannon for playing DEFENCE for sure!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
SA is absolutely right
"All of a sudden" threepeats matter! Hmmmm.. . .Shannon Sharpe, it's always mattered. Since the beginning of the NBA.
"You could get away with muggin somebody" 😂😂😂😂
Only Stephen A understands about basketball respect.
Jordan, Kobe, Shaq and Pippen played 70 years in the NBA... they played less than half of those years with Coach Phil Jackson... 33/70... but in those 33 years they won a combined 21 championships... how much they win without phil? Shaq won one... other three didnt...
coaching is the main factor. Stephen A knows that
Hmm… last time I checked… Kobe nor MJ had to team hop to create superstar teams… They built them shiii’s…. they didn’t run from the competition
@@williamsc2429 then you know nothing about basketball 😂😂😂
@@williamsc2429y’all make it seem like just because players team up that mean they don’t have to compete. how many super teams we’ve seen fail in the league?
LJ is top 15
The one I was waiting for
Everything good until Shannon starts talking basketball 🙄🤣
looking back at this just for a laugh. they are gold together😂.
I don’t even like the chiefs 😂 but I gotta give them credit they defense played well I guess I see why people hated Tom Brady
Stephen A won this argument
The biggest issue with the Jordan vs Lebron debate is people act like Jordan only played 6 years
Like Washington didn't happen and he wasn't swept in the first round twice and knocked out 3 total times. Or that he has all those scoring titles because rebounding and assisting was Pippen then pippen/rodman's job.
And then people act like any of Jordan's competition compares to the Spurs, or Warriors that Bron lost to.
No one acts like that, what are you talking about? Jordan accomplished FAR more in 15 years than Lebron has in 21…Jordan is 6-0 in the Finals, Lebron is 4-6…anyone with any good sense or logic can see Lebron isn’t even close to Jordan…Top 5 maybe but better than Jordan or Kareem not even close
@jhad777 You're literally doing it now dingus.
Jordan also has 3 straight first round exists with 2 of them being sweeps. He shot below league average from 3 for his career, and was never the best defensive player on his championship teams. His finals competition was also subpar.
Nobody ignores his 6-0 but Bill is 11-1 and people like you forget that. Jordan averaged 3 more points a game because he took 3 more shots a game and never had to be relied upon for rebounds and assists and had competent coaching with ownership. Other than rings (weak argument) what makes Jordan the goat?
@@suivatra123 3 Straight but he made the playoffs with nobody’s those years…Lebron missed the playoffs completely first 2 years, and you are wrong again, League average in the 90’s was 33% Jordan shot league average for his entire Bulls career, you don’t have to lie bro
@@jhad777Jordan dominated the 90s that were dominated by big men , while the Bulls had two of the best wings in the league
Kareem won multiple championships with a player that was better than him... Stop it. LeBron's finals record is flawed. Yet y'all have no problem throwing it up , but when someone brings up all the times Jordan has lost all you get are excuses and lies.
Why don’t the guys use the facts… look at who has more MVPs, Defensive players of the year, All NBA, NBA All defensive teams, Scoring Titles and All Star Star games and All star game MVPs and you’ll get your answer
Shannon tried to get his own segment and fell FLAT ON HIS FACE lmaooooooo
lol Lebron played 1.5 times longer than MJ and still doesn’t have as many rings
SAS, Cooke, Shannon, in this segment
Man Mj da 🐐
Is Mj closer to lebron !??😂😂 that’s nonsense that don’t even sound right 😂
Shannon, hold this L
Now that the NFL season is over, I speak for everyone when I say I'm really excited to see Shannon and Stephen A argue about Lebron every day.
Mahomes is not there yet, but he’s definitely on his way.
SAS - We gon hold that against him
Shay Shay- YAAAAAASSSSS!
😂😂😂
Brady vs Mahomes vs Montana that's fascinating this Fantasy that LeBron is in the conversation with MJ is ridiculous.
this debate by these 2 is the most entertaining
Look it’s the sport that espn mainly get sponsors from lol
*AYO* “I let you slide up in there because I like to make you happy my brother” is wild
LeBron is closer to MJ, but Mahomes has a way better chance of passing Brady than LeBron has of passing MJ.
LeBron is 40 and still a HOF career of accolades away from MJ…Mahomes is on the best trajectory of any athlete we’ve ever seen as he’s only 28 with 3 titles already.
He's 39 but I get your point
Brady Already Stomped Mahomes in SB and Beat Him in AFCCG...Trajectory to Surpass Brady Does Not Exist....That Debate Been Over
Accolades when mj played in a much weaker era. There were no scoring guards untill Ai came into the nba. Mj played a bunch of guys who couldn’t dribble or shoot. Scoring titles are the title u get when u shoot the most shot attempts in the nba each year. Only way mj won those cause he lead the nba in shot attempts. Bron became the leading scorer passing mj in points in 1200 less shots attempts and became the #1 scorer without leading the nba in shots…..while being #4 in assist. Bron generated the most points by far
@@jackwoods9604 Tampa bay defense did not Brady.
@@moneymoney3235 You Mean The Era When NBA Played Defense?
"I'll let you slide in to make you happy" is WILD
It's too easy to debate Bron Fans
It's getting boring debating Jordan fans because when you hit them with facts they fold up and start telling lies. Making excuses and start name calling because they have nothing left. We are about to start comparing LeBron to franchises.
@@lewismoultrie5548 I feel bad for you being in the small minority that believes Bron is the Goat.... Sorry we don't believe longevity stats matter lol
@runitback2back I mean Jordan has been retired for 20+++ years.... The majority has been brainwashed for 30+ years. They know more about LeBron's career than they do Jordan's. Once LeBron retires, you will be hearing about him and everything he has done throughout his career for the next 5+ decades. Buckle up.
@runitback2back And i don't believe that Jordan dominating a decade that was dominated by big men while the Bulls had two of the best wings on their team makes Jordan untouchable. only the delusional, brainwashed folks believe all the bulshit they have been hearing for 30+ years now.
Are you kidding me if micheal Jordan didn’t retire the first time he would have had 8 rings 😅