The NBA keeps focusing on Gimmicks, when all they (players) need to do is COMPETE. The reason old school basketball was so much better was because each guy wanted to win and prove they were the best. Now it is just about stat padding, not getting injured and highlights for social media
It's supposed to make the players care and play harder which gets the fans to want to watch these early games we normally ignore until football season ends....but still a failure nonetheless.... Nobody wants to see a hundred 3s jacked up for 1,230 games
I'm really ok with the 3's, because it's part of the game, each team are subjected to the same rules, it's the Selective "To Infinity and Beyond" travels by stars and LeBron that aren't called, THAT is really terrible. And LeBron getting away with FLOPS after FLOPS, that's a huge turn off.
True, when Embiid signs a 3 year extension for $193 million and says he won't play back to back games; the apathy carries over to the fans. Why should the fans pay big money just to watch the backups play? I can't imagine Jordan, Magic, Bird, Chamberlain, or Bill Russell refusing to play back to back games.
Fix the NBA Blueprint: 1. Make it easier/affordable to watch the NBA and stop blocking home games on league pass 2. Bring back hand checking 3. Allow defense to stand in paint for as long as they want 4. No freedom of movement rule 5. Take away the gather step 6. Start enforcing travels/carries/moving picks again 7. Give extremely harsh punishments for load managing 8. Harsh punishments for flopping 9. Stop allowing refs to give techs for the silliest things, we’re there to see the players not the refs 10. Allow players to talk trash all they want aka let them be competitive that’s what we want 11. Take politics out of sports, if players/coaches want to be vocal let them do it on their own platform but any political jargon in the NBA press conferences or games shall be severely punished. We’re watching sports to take our mind off politics 12. Don’t allow players to change teams so frequently. We can’t root for a team anymore because the roster changes drastically every year 13. Take out the in season tournament, it’s so complicated and pointless. Make the regular season regular again. 14. Add a 1 on 1 tournament in the all star game 15. Make the all star game regular east vs west again, make the all star game affect the record of all the players teams 16. Stop advertising so much sports betting every commercial break 17. Enforce a dress code again. I don’t think families want their kids to see their favorite super star dressed like Zoolander, we want them to set an example for the working man. Suits only and coaches need to wear suits again 18. Make jersey’s look cool again, fire the current jersey designers 19. Go back to the classic court designs from the 2000’s and for the love of god never bring those ugly colorful courts from the in season tournament again! 20. Don’t ever allow players to have so much power that they can force their team to draft their son who obviously isn’t good enough to play in the league. The Bronny situation was insulting to our intelligence as basketball fans If Adam Silver can execute these rules the NBA has a chance to boost ratings. If not then Adam Silver has to go.
@@arthurjackson9423 I wouldn't say it is. I personally really like it! Also look at all the European and International leagues, they all have this type of in season tournament as well so I think it was a great add by Adam Silver especially since it made the games more competitive in the beginning of the season. In all honesty I would love for the NBA to have something like a Champions League that they have in Europe where they have the best basketball teams in each league face off against each other.
@@ani2595 Those tournaments in European countries work completely differently. They usually consist of dedicated games besides the regular season schedule and often also include teams from lower tier leagues.
Yea I’d love to see an in season tournament with teams from Europe, Australia, Asia other American leagues like Canada, Africa, even the g league. That shit would be epic. fiba rules (gives other teams more of a chance against nba teams). Basketball is the only major league sport that is truly global (played at a high level on every continent). They should take advantage of it
How would you market an individual player when they literally all play exactly the same way? Oh wow…this new guy can really come off that screen super awesome and hit a 3…we’ve never seen anything like this!! 🤮🤮
Yeah but have you heard about that new player who can hit those triple stepbacks? Or how about that other guy who dribbles for 22 seconds and hits triple stepbacks?
I'll tell you what, NBA RUclips Highlights has gotten so good over the last few years that I don't even miss watching games live anymore. I get it for free + no hassle of the stoppage times and commercial breaks.
Agree. On this, we are living in an era where we are in content creation and short videos. The old heads dont realize that there are youtube highlights. Does the global community watch NFL HIGHTLIGHTS? NO. BECAUSE IT IS A DUMB SPORTS
I mean it’s main goal was to make the regular season more interesting and make the players try harder in the regular season. Players definitely try harder. Games are definitely more intense and better. There is greater overall issues causing declining viewership. But the product of the in season tournament is better than just regular season games
Dynamic pricing really killed my interest in going to events and sports games. Why would I want to spend $500-$1000 to watch some guys mail it in some nights. Why does anyone think it’s socially acceptable athletes make 100’s of millions to play a game? I’m not discrediting the work they put in but let’s be real, lots of people work 10-16 hours a day for a spec of what these guys make.
Compensation never relied on how much work u do or how hard you work. It’s simply about what you can generate. If you can work 3 hours a day but generate 1 mill a yr… 🤷🏽🤷🏽🤷🏽. Doesn’t really matter how much you work. I will always say athletes deserve everything they get because that’s what they generate. Sucks but that’s it
To be honest Rachel, I don't care about it. I understand the need to try new things but this one isn't it. The league needs to keep trying. But it feels as if that they don't have anyone at street level listening to the fans. The product isn't worth the price of admission in my city of Toronto. It's cheaper for me to drive 4 hours south to Detroit to watch the Raptors-Pistons. But even then, I still wouldn't because the style of play in today's game sucks. Thanks for always speaking what's on our minds!
SGA is a perfect example of where the NBA went wrong because he should have been the MVP last year, and they gave it to Jokic again, which was just bad business.
I think you inadvertently nailed it when you said they are media trained. In modern internet culture, authenticity wins and media training is the opposite of that.
My last game was around 2008. Probably only watched 50 games this century. Between 1970- 1999, I watched 1000's of games. Tried watching in the early 2000's, just not a good product. I do still watch WCBB and my first year of watching Fever games. I am a male.
I honestly hate that the league always schedules the Lakers and Warriors for so many primetime games when I rather see a team like Orlando, OKC, Sacramento, Houston or maybe even the Spurs get those slots
I get you man but let's be real, no one wants to watch those teams play these days. If you look at yhe stats, you will always see Lebron, Curry and KD the top 3 viewership. I wonder what will happen to the NBA if they retire. Someone needs to step up as the Face of the League soon enough.
@@austinroberts7546 Fair enough. But it's not entirely the league's fault. Most of the players are really not interesting to watch in my opinion unlike back in the day you got stars to watch and very high competitive atmosphere. We probably just saturated because we got 3 of the greatest players ever playing in the same era and and the next gen cannot live up to that mantle. I hope someone can step up soon enough.
I hadn’t watched NBA for a long time but did watch the playoffs last year and was very disappointed. Seemed like everyone was running out of control just trying to bully their way to hoop. Couldn’t shoot for shit I actually thought I was watching high school teams. I won’t watch.
The NBA Promotes its players, whereas the NFL promotes its teams as the season goes along. Therefore the NFL always have interesting playoffs games and game between the best record teams..But the NBA falls when a Star player is not playing. Two NBA teams can make the Finals and have low ratings, because none of their players are "stars" that are marketed as face of the league.
The NBA Cup is a nothing-burger. It's the LaCroix of basketball, vague and disappointing, making you wonder why it even exists. In the end, it's just a bunch of regular season games, all dressed up, like for a prom that is still 5 months away.
It’s a ridiculously stupid idea. We are supposed to believe that “The game 2 nights ago was important. Tonight’s game isn’t. But the one next Wednesday is also important.”
The whole of the NBA CUP SUCKS it ruined the regular season and more. It is too stupid these tournaments should be banned or deleted from the NBA schedule.
It is just amazing to hear the American prices for watching tv. In my country here in Europe tv channels are mostly free. Some sports like NBA are behind a paywall but for example I am currently paying 9.49€ or around 10$ per month to watch NBA although it includes also some other sports and add-free streaming service of their regular tv channels.
In the 80s and mid 90s, I was in the military. Some of the people I worked with, we would get together at one's apartment or house and watch football/basketball/baseball. Some would watch one or two of the leagues. I liked them all and would be at whatever place to watch games. In 1998 I transferred to Gulfport MS. None of this was happening. I hardly ever seen a few people wanting to watch any game. They liked playing, not watching. Well, I was business anyway not watching much of anything. When I retired in 2001, I found a person liking college. Then I moved to outside Macon GA getting a job with the Navy. I knew a family where I stated in one of the houses that watched Georgia and Atlanta Braves every time on TV. Remember all this was of the three channels broadcast ABC, CBS or NBC. I would be busy again and not having TV for satellite costing to install $1,000 being in the boonies. I more and less did not like NBA, WNBA, Baseball and times football for how it had changed. Now, I cannot even find an NBA game where I live, with hardly a football game like was in the past. I could not believe I could get more WNBA than the other sports. I do not have ESPN and will not nor do I have Turner wishing I did. Like you said in this video to get to NBA I would have to piggybank off a streaming service and pay close to $100 having to pay for live TV. So, pay high cable or high streaming till after a while of rising cost people do not care about the cup paying their players in the hundred thousand to hundreds of thousands of dollars. I care not, as I am not getting any of that to pay extra to watch that. Football this year I had hardly watched any of the games for bad players, refs, and players getting hurt for not watching what would be going on the field. They play like it is demolition derby with their bodies. It is one thing playing hard and hitting hard, another when looking like no one cares about their bodies jumping, hitting where a person can be hurt and such. Now, what I keep reading on some channels it is Adam Silver ruining NBA and should not be commissioner like Kathy Engelbert should not be too.
I believe it just boils down to marketing team first then players. Kind of like how both American football and European football has done. People want to come together for the team rather than the players because as we’ve seen players can bounce around from one month to the next.
I just think the younger generation is just a different type of basketball fan. Not tryna watch a whole game but rather watch the 15 min game replay on RUclips the next day. A lot of fans aren’t fans of teams anymore, just specific players
82 games is way to much! The Playoffs go well into late May or June way to long! You drowning people with players that don't know the rules, and refs who don't call traveling, plaming, hand checking! They make way too much MONEY! They have lost respect for the game of basketball!
Your so right rachel the nba has a problem it wont be able to fix unless you shorten the season players only wanna play hard in the playoffs ie its meaningful the rest is just noise to them
Wokeness is the reason people stopped watching NBA. People don't like players being political and whinny about racism. All they want is watching basketball.
Got the League Pass from 2K25 and I still don't bother to watch the games. I want to watch my local teams (Clippers and Lakers) but they are blacked out and need separate subscription for both. So forget it and forget watching the NBA overall.
The dunk contest has gotten boring cause they've done all the dunks, and the top stars don't do it to compete against one another. The actual games are boring cause it's turned into a three point contest for 3 hours, and the top players don't guard each other. You don't have a Kobe vs Dwade, or Melo vs Bron anymore. When was the last time you saw something like KD and Giannis go at it for the whole game? Team ball is good, but the league is built around stars, and they don't directly compete.
The only thing that matters to the NBA owners is that the team valuations go up proportionately with asset inflation. Nothing will change until the team valuations drop or stop going up.
I tried explaining basketball to some friends - but honestly, they were confused with the constant start/stop and fouls. The end of game foul fest was like a different sport to the rest of the game. Even when they understood the reason, it isn't a good viewing experience. How will the sport grow when the reffing is inconsistent and controlling, but also the game flow is choppy. People can't get into it.
Good topic. I always thought it was a stupid idea. Playoffs are already a too long 2 months and then add this meaningless nonsense. Fan don't care what they're making for it. And this is another reason for the decline in viewership when they don't put the same effort for non Cup games. Dumb idea. Needs to be trashed.
Of all the things we complain about, (flopping, traveling etc.) it all comes down to - PLAYERS DON'T TRY and they are making more money than ever. Angry Old Hooper nailed this in one of his videos. He showed the intensity between last year's NBA Finals and how it was no where close to the intensity of 01 or 02 All Star game. Especially the defense.
7:52 The NFL is about winning - not stat padding. Every game matters. The players care. The NFL media doesn’t pamper man-babies. There is no such thing as a bad market in the NFL - people watch for the sport not the market.
Majority of NFL fans support teams while majority of nba fans support players. That’s why NFL viewership remains stable. some fans would watch less games cause their favorite player is on a bad team and stop watching when the player retires.
The NFL puts every team in a national broadcast at least once during the season. So you get to see everybody, even Jacksonville and Carolina. I've maybe seen half of the NBA teams on TV the past 5 years.
The league is now a joke compared to the 80’s and 90’s. To be honest, the WNBA and women’s college basketball is much more compelling and the players have better storylines. If the NBA stops all the flopping and stops all the BS “50 three pointers” per game then they have a shot at getting back the fans.
@@hihellothere100Both are terrible leagues. The women complain about how they are treated and paid but produce a terrible product. No thanks. And the women are subsidized by the NBA. You have a few good players in the WNBA, like Clark and Ionescu. At least neither is gay, which the WNBA pushes incessantly.
This comment is to support the great content and also the good cause. I don’t really follow the NBA because I can’t find enjoyment in watching the league in its current shape, but this channel helps me stay somewhat in the loop.
hey! with these cup games, the players are getting even more money on top of the tons of money they already gettin! Now that's something i can get behind! /s
If players would put the same effort into playing that they do into their fit they gonna wear for cameras to see the game would be better. This whole let’s just shoot 3’s feels like an all Star game where no one GAF.. so why should fans
Get rid of guaranteed contracts, start there. If a player signs a max 5 year deal, $150 million dollar contract, what incentive is there for that player to play? He's still going to get his money.
It's a star driven league and the "stars" are pushing 40. I think another problem you have is the player focus on branding means no one is willing to be the heel anymore. The Bad Boys of Detroit were happy to be hated and people came in to see it. Reward aggression again and people will tune in.
An all time record 35.9 million viewers watched Michael Jordan hit the winning shot in game 6 of the 1998 NBA Finals featuring the Bulls versus the Jazz. That Finals series averaged 26 million viewers per game. The most recent Finals series between the Celtics and the Mavs averaged 6 million viewers per game. Adam Silver is flailing away with in-season tournaments and All Star Game makeovers in an effort to pump up the ratings. But the fact is that the popularity of the NBA has receded back to its pre-Larry Bird/Magic Johnson days when the Finals were shown on late night via tape delay.
The NBA is getting exactly what it deserves for ruining Basketball by trying to cater to these social media kids , trying to make the game flashy for people with a 15 second attention span , thinking they'll help them generate ( MORE ) money that way .
NBA cup? No one cares about some regular season award. (The fans im talking about) Including me. Its a dumb idea, kinda like trying to paint over rust.
Yeah, well you Can paint over Rust, but is it a good idea? Seems like the Saudis & Emirates are trying to work their way into some big league sports. Putting up lots of money, but can you make people care?
Another problem is the lack of greatness and dynasties. As much as we all hate the super teams they’re a draw. The NBA hasn’t felt like it had any stakes since lebron vs Steph. We need a villain that the country and the world can root against and we need a hero that the world can root for.
Parity is bad for sports as a business; always has been, always will be. Casual fans-the vast majority of sports viewership-love dominant dynastics because everyone loves a winner, love superstars because they love a maestro at work; they tune it to see them dominate, to see who will upset them, etc. Parity leads to casual fans tuning out. There's a reason why Caitlin Clark, the most dominant scorer in NCAA history, brought so many eyes to the WNBA when many "great" prospects before her didn't; she was so undeniably good that even casual fans wanted to see if she could make some noise in a professional league they traditionally don't care about. There's a reason why dominant fighters tend to draw better in MMA and boxing. It's because people don't really want 50/50 matchups; they want the dominant side and the underdog, and then they can either see a shellacking or an upset.
@@AriaRavenlockI agree that you need a dominant team, but you can still have parity with that. Just like the Chiefs have been dominant, yet the NFL has a lot of parity and most every team thinks they have a chance at the playoffs when the season begins.
theyre trying to copy what the european leagues are doing, in both basketball and soccer. will it catch on here, time will tell. main issue i feel with this thing is it doesnt really have any meaning to any team unless theyre a team like the rockets whom are on the come up and winning this cup wouldve been like a definte sign that theyre on the right path
More load management than politics. Rule changes are necessary. Such as eliminating the corner 3 pointer, or making dunks worth 3 points. The modern ruleset is the biggest problem.
They try to compare it to the knockout Cup competitions in the various footballing countries in Europe, without realizing those competitions include clubs from all the divisions of the footballing pyramid. The NBA Cup is just consisting of NBA teams, thus it’s more of the same stuff just with different courts 😂
Honestly, no one is going to convince me that viewership is dropping. When it keeps going around the world. Maybe in the US, but that's just a small market compared to the global audience
Nobody cares bc the product is trash. The ungodly amount of threes, the disgusting traveling and carrying (wtf is this stupid gather step bullshit), lack of defense, and lack of star power.
The NBA Cup semifinals and final should be in different cities like the NCAA Final Four. Next year it should be in Seattle. Las Vegas is an overrated city, no one really cares about the NBA there unless the Lakers or Warriors play a preseason game there or like Lakers winning the cup championship last year.
The nba cup is a good idea itself and I think it can work if the NBA went back to marketing teams and the discourse covered the games themselves and the sport of basketball. Get the fans to care about the basketball and then these in season tournaments will hold more weight. Put out a better product find a way to make players care and then finally make the game more accessible to fans and the problems will fix themselves.
I haven’t watched a second of it. I also haven’t watch a second of the NBA in more than a decade. Players are supposed to care about winning. If they ever start caring again, I might come back, but I doubt it.
Watched Bucks vs Hawks because it counts as one more win and loss towards playoff seeding and the only thing worth focusing on that has any real meaning and value being an nba championship. Might as well rest the starters for the STUPID cup final thing as they risk suffering injuries hindering there chances for winning what actually matters.
I’m a Mass fan but I didn’t watch a regular season game last year. Playoffs were exciting until Boston dog walked them. Thought the regular season would be worth watching this season.. added Klay to Luka & Kyrie…but nah, regular season just doesn’t hit. Can’t explain it tbh.
The NBA doesn't have any new American born superstars. Giannis, SGA, Luka, Embid, and Jokic are all foreign players, with no home grown fan base. They had no following in high school, on social media, or college. So, the American fan base doesn't really know these players.
As a Bucks fan I think the NBA and NBA media has done a horrendous job marketing it’s small market stars. It is infuriating the lack of attention Milwaukee receives and how nobody ever props up or talks about how good Giannis is. In fact, I feel like NBA media is STILL stuck in the 2019 mindset that Giannis has no bag, no skill, and is just running and dunking. “Build the wall and that will stop him.” Just horrendous casual takes that are straight up false.
The cup was a terrible idea. I’m a laker fan I was DISGUSTED last year. we raise chip banners only!! I couldn’t believe my eyes. I commend Darvin ham and doc rivers for not celebrating and not hanging the banner this year
I heard that two teams combined for 75 missed 3's in a game in the past week. No Thank You.
It's an outlier game but definitely something that was caused from the style of play in today's game
The NBA keeps focusing on Gimmicks, when all they (players) need to do is COMPETE.
The reason old school basketball was so much better was because each guy wanted to win and prove they were the best. Now it is just about stat padding, not getting injured and highlights for social media
Yep!
Yes. NBA has gone downhill so much man
NFL is not a global sport. NFL is only in America. Global community dont care about it. NBA earn more in global stage
Why would you want to get hurt? NBA players are a lot more talented than those guys of the past.
@@shanehanooman9132but most of them don’t have the mental toughness like players did back then.
Fans don’t care about the players getting extra money
Dumb head.
NFL is not a global sport. NFL is only in America. Global community dont care about it. NBA earn more in global stage
Spot on!
It's supposed to make the players care and play harder which gets the fans to want to watch these early games we normally ignore until football season ends....but still a failure nonetheless....
Nobody wants to see a hundred 3s jacked up for 1,230 games
It's an incentive for the players to play hard in games we otherwise wouldn't care much about.
To many 3's, traveling, no team play and no defense.
I'm really ok with the 3's, because it's part of the game, each team are subjected to the same rules, it's the Selective "To Infinity and Beyond" travels by stars and LeBron that aren't called, THAT is really terrible. And LeBron getting away with FLOPS after FLOPS, that's a huge turn off.
I did not know it was going on or what the NBA cup actually was.
Load management while good intentioned killed the regular season for many fans.
Agree, if the teams wouldn't care to play hard (or play at all), then why would the fans also care to watch?
Load management was never good intentioned. This bs trend started with the Spurs rodeo trip games.
True, when Embiid signs a 3 year extension for $193 million and says he won't play back to back games; the apathy carries over to the fans. Why should the fans pay big money just to watch the backups play? I can't imagine Jordan, Magic, Bird, Chamberlain, or Bill Russell refusing to play back to back games.
Fix the NBA Blueprint:
1. Make it easier/affordable to watch the NBA and stop blocking home games on league pass
2. Bring back hand checking
3. Allow defense to stand in paint for as long as they want
4. No freedom of movement rule
5. Take away the gather step
6. Start enforcing travels/carries/moving picks again
7. Give extremely harsh punishments for load managing
8. Harsh punishments for flopping
9. Stop allowing refs to give techs for the silliest things, we’re there to see the players not the refs
10. Allow players to talk trash all they want aka let them be competitive that’s what we want
11. Take politics out of sports, if players/coaches want to be vocal let them do it on their own platform but any political jargon in the NBA press conferences or games shall be severely punished. We’re watching sports to take our mind off politics
12. Don’t allow players to change teams so frequently. We can’t root for a team anymore because the roster changes drastically every year
13. Take out the in season tournament, it’s so complicated and pointless. Make the regular season regular again.
14. Add a 1 on 1 tournament in the all star game
15. Make the all star game regular east vs west again, make the all star game affect the record of all the players teams
16. Stop advertising so much sports betting every commercial break
17. Enforce a dress code again. I don’t think families want their kids to see their favorite super star dressed like Zoolander, we want them to set an example for the working man. Suits only and coaches need to wear suits again
18. Make jersey’s look cool again, fire the current jersey designers
19. Go back to the classic court designs from the 2000’s and for the love of god never bring those ugly colorful courts from the in season tournament again!
20. Don’t ever allow players to have so much power that they can force their team to draft their son who obviously isn’t good enough to play in the league. The Bronny situation was insulting to our intelligence as basketball fans
If Adam Silver can execute these rules the NBA has a chance to boost ratings. If not then Adam Silver has to go.
A tournament largely consisting of regular season games is a strange idea, I assume that's why it doesn't stand out and very few people care about it.
Gimmicks are not a good look!! The3-4 step dunks, not a good look. Get back to NBA basketball.
@@arthurjackson9423 I wouldn't say it is. I personally really like it! Also look at all the European and International leagues, they all have this type of in season tournament as well so I think it was a great add by Adam Silver especially since it made the games more competitive in the beginning of the season. In all honesty I would love for the NBA to have something like a Champions League that they have in Europe where they have the best basketball teams in each league face off against each other.
@@ani2595 Those tournaments in European countries work completely differently. They usually consist of dedicated games besides the regular season schedule and often also include teams from lower tier leagues.
Yea I’d love to see an in season tournament with teams from Europe, Australia, Asia other American leagues like Canada, Africa, even the g league. That shit would be epic. fiba rules (gives other teams more of a chance against nba teams). Basketball is the only major league sport that is truly global (played at a high level on every continent). They should take advantage of it
How would you market an individual player when they literally all play exactly the same way? Oh wow…this new guy can really come off that screen super awesome and hit a 3…we’ve never seen anything like this!! 🤮🤮
Yeah but have you heard about that new player who can hit those triple stepbacks? Or how about that other guy who dribbles for 22 seconds and hits triple stepbacks?
@ lol..pretty much..😂
NFL is not a global sport. NFL is only in America. Global community dont care about it. NBA earn more in global stage
They marketed multiple players in the 90s without sacrificing team play
I'll tell you what, NBA RUclips Highlights has gotten so good over the last few years that I don't even miss watching games live anymore. I get it for free + no hassle of the stoppage times and commercial breaks.
This is an excellent point
Agree. On this, we are living in an era where we are in content creation and short videos.
The old heads dont realize that there are youtube highlights.
Does the global community watch NFL HIGHTLIGHTS? NO. BECAUSE IT IS A DUMB SPORTS
This is a good point…you don’t need to watch the 80 missed 3s and all the timeouts and trans cheerleaders dancing
@@JP-wh8bofootball is only for 🏳️🌈
The NFL is about the teams more so than players.
Yes
Another Cupcake tournament in hopes of saving the NBA viewership. I really miss the David Stern days.
NFL is not a global sport. NFL is only in America. Global community dont care about it. NBA earn more in global stage
Just another dumb idea.
It's not a bad idea. It's not great! But at least they are trying new things to generate more interest.
@@MrTregz true and they will now know what works and what doesn't
I mean it’s main goal was to make the regular season more interesting and make the players try harder in the regular season. Players definitely try harder. Games are definitely more intense and better. There is greater overall issues causing declining viewership. But the product of the in season tournament is better than just regular season games
Great idea. Many international leagues have a tournament cup mid season whether it’s basketball or soccer
It would be cooler if it meant more. Maybe winner’s conference gets home advantage in finals idk
Dang. The ticket price in Vegas for the Aces v Fever in 2025 are more expensive !
Dynamic pricing really killed my interest in going to events and sports games. Why would I want to spend $500-$1000 to watch some guys mail it in some nights. Why does anyone think it’s socially acceptable athletes make 100’s of millions to play a game? I’m not discrediting the work they put in but let’s be real, lots of people work 10-16 hours a day for a spec of what these guys make.
I totally agree 💯
Compensation never relied on how much work u do or how hard you work. It’s simply about what you can generate. If you can work 3 hours a day but generate 1 mill a yr… 🤷🏽🤷🏽🤷🏽. Doesn’t really matter how much you work. I will always say athletes deserve everything they get because that’s what they generate. Sucks but that’s it
It was dumb, the NBA needs actual rule changes that matter, not additional tournaments or changing the all star game format.
To be honest Rachel, I don't care about it. I understand the need to try new things but this one isn't it. The league needs to keep trying. But it feels as if that they don't have anyone at street level listening to the fans. The product isn't worth the price of admission in my city of Toronto. It's cheaper for me to drive 4 hours south to Detroit to watch the Raptors-Pistons. But even then, I still wouldn't because the style of play in today's game sucks. Thanks for always speaking what's on our minds!
The idea of nba cup is bad because of the idea of getting money just to play seriously.
SGA is a perfect example of where the NBA went wrong because he should have been the MVP last year, and they gave it to Jokic again, which was just bad business.
I think you inadvertently nailed it when you said they are media trained. In modern internet culture, authenticity wins and media training is the opposite of that.
Trash idea . It totally sucks !!!!
My last game was around 2008. Probably only watched 50 games this century. Between 1970- 1999, I watched 1000's of games. Tried watching in the early 2000's, just not a good product. I do still watch WCBB and my first year of watching Fever games. I am a male.
I honestly hate that the league always schedules the Lakers and Warriors for so many primetime games when I rather see a team like Orlando, OKC, Sacramento, Houston or maybe even the Spurs get those slots
I get you man but let's be real, no one wants to watch those teams play these days. If you look at yhe stats, you will always see Lebron, Curry and KD the top 3 viewership.
I wonder what will happen to the NBA if they retire. Someone needs to step up as the Face of the League soon enough.
@@karlowinffotter1339 younger stars can't step up when league doesn't even bother to promote them.
@@austinroberts7546 Fair enough. But it's not entirely the league's fault. Most of the players are really not interesting to watch in my opinion unlike back in the day you got stars to watch and very high competitive atmosphere.
We probably just saturated because we got 3 of the greatest players ever playing in the same era and and the next gen cannot live up to that mantle.
I hope someone can step up soon enough.
@@karlowinffotter1339but think about if if they promoted these guys MAYBE WE WOULD want to watch them
I hadn’t watched NBA for a long time but did watch the playoffs last year and was very disappointed. Seemed like everyone was running out of control just trying to bully their way to hoop. Couldn’t shoot for shit I actually thought I was watching high school teams. I won’t watch.
The NBA Promotes its players, whereas the NFL promotes its teams as the season goes along.
Therefore the NFL always have interesting playoffs games and game between the best record teams..But the NBA falls when a Star player is not playing. Two NBA teams can make the Finals and have low ratings, because none of their players are "stars" that are marketed as face of the league.
The NBA Cup is a nothing-burger. It's the LaCroix of basketball, vague and disappointing, making you wonder why it even exists. In the end, it's just a bunch of regular season games, all dressed up, like for a prom that is still 5 months away.
hey! with these cup games, the players are getting even more money upon the tons of money they already get.
Too many regular season games, stars resting, 3pt bricks, watching outside US is expensive, are some of the reasons I stopped watching as a casual.
I can't understand why the NBA uses bad teams when they showcase overseas. It just doesn't make any sense.
I honestly did't even know the NBA Cup was currently going on.
It’s a ridiculously stupid idea. We are supposed to believe that “The game 2 nights ago was important. Tonight’s game isn’t. But the one next Wednesday is also important.”
The whole of the NBA CUP SUCKS it ruined the regular season and more. It is too stupid these tournaments should be banned or deleted from the NBA schedule.
You go watch mlb
It is just amazing to hear the American prices for watching tv. In my country here in Europe tv channels are mostly free. Some sports like NBA are behind a paywall but for example I am currently paying 9.49€ or around 10$ per month to watch NBA although it includes also some other sports and add-free streaming service of their regular tv channels.
Personally, I really hate today's NBA. The style of game they play now is nauseating and irritating to watch.
In the 80s and mid 90s, I was in the military. Some of the people I worked with, we would get together at one's apartment or house and watch football/basketball/baseball. Some would watch one or two of the leagues. I liked them all and would be at whatever place to watch games. In 1998 I transferred to Gulfport MS. None of this was happening. I hardly ever seen a few people wanting to watch any game. They liked playing, not watching. Well, I was business anyway not watching much of anything. When I retired in 2001, I found a person liking college. Then I moved to outside Macon GA getting a job with the Navy. I knew a family where I stated in one of the houses that watched Georgia and Atlanta Braves every time on TV. Remember all this was of the three channels broadcast ABC, CBS or NBC. I would be busy again and not having TV for satellite costing to install $1,000 being in the boonies. I more and less did not like NBA, WNBA, Baseball and times football for how it had changed. Now, I cannot even find an NBA game where I live, with hardly a football game like was in the past. I could not believe I could get more WNBA than the other sports. I do not have ESPN and will not nor do I have Turner wishing I did. Like you said in this video to get to NBA I would have to piggybank off a streaming service and pay close to $100 having to pay for live TV. So, pay high cable or high streaming till after a while of rising cost people do not care about the cup paying their players in the hundred thousand to hundreds of thousands of dollars. I care not, as I am not getting any of that to pay extra to watch that. Football this year I had hardly watched any of the games for bad players, refs, and players getting hurt for not watching what would be going on the field. They play like it is demolition derby with their bodies. It is one thing playing hard and hitting hard, another when looking like no one cares about their bodies jumping, hitting where a person can be hurt and such. Now, what I keep reading on some channels it is Adam Silver ruining NBA and should not be commissioner like Kathy Engelbert should not be too.
The reason of all this, the NBA commissioner can’t even find the new face of NBA right now, still lebron and curry. 😢
I believe it just boils down to marketing team first then players.
Kind of like how both American football and European football has done.
People want to come together for the team rather than the players because as we’ve seen players can bounce around from one month to the next.
Yes. They should market teams not just players. People are now fans of players not teams
The problem with Steph n LeBron isn’t that they will leave soon. The problem is they’re still there. We done with these two.
I just think the younger generation is just a different type of basketball fan. Not tryna watch a whole game but rather watch the 15 min game replay on RUclips the next day. A lot of fans aren’t fans of teams anymore, just specific players
Indeed. That is also a problem
82 games is way to much! The Playoffs go well into late May or June way to long! You drowning people with players that don't know the rules, and refs who don't call traveling, plaming, hand checking! They make way too much MONEY! They have lost respect for the game of basketball!
No, it's not. We've had 82 game seasons for literally decades, and no one had an issue before now.
The main issue perhaps the pkayer salary right now
Your so right rachel the nba has a problem it wont be able to fix unless you shorten the season players only wanna play hard in the playoffs ie its meaningful the rest is just noise to them
I think basketball fans are just getting tired of teams jacking up threes. Give us more Ja and Ant, please
Pretty sure Ant leads the NBA in 3s attempted per game this season w/ like 13 per game
Wokeness is the reason people stopped watching NBA. People don't like players being political and whinny about racism. All they want is watching basketball.
Do you think racism is a thing?
Got the League Pass from 2K25 and I still don't bother to watch the games. I want to watch my local teams (Clippers and Lakers) but they are blacked out and need separate subscription for both. So forget it and forget watching the NBA overall.
The dunk contest has gotten boring cause they've done all the dunks, and the top stars don't do it to compete against one another. The actual games are boring cause it's turned into a three point contest for 3 hours, and the top players don't guard each other. You don't have a Kobe vs Dwade, or Melo vs Bron anymore. When was the last time you saw something like KD and Giannis go at it for the whole game? Team ball is good, but the league is built around stars, and they don't directly compete.
The only thing that matters to the NBA owners is that the team valuations go up proportionately with asset inflation. Nothing will change until the team valuations drop or stop going up.
None of this NBA cup bs would be needed if the players only had honor as men and COMPETED
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I tried explaining basketball to some friends - but honestly, they were confused with the constant start/stop and fouls. The end of game foul fest was like a different sport to the rest of the game. Even when they understood the reason, it isn't a good viewing experience. How will the sport grow when the reffing is inconsistent and controlling, but also the game flow is choppy. People can't get into it.
Good topic. I always thought it was a stupid idea. Playoffs are already a too long 2 months and then add this meaningless nonsense. Fan don't care what they're making for it. And this is another reason for the decline in viewership when they don't put the same effort for non Cup games. Dumb idea. Needs to be trashed.
Of all the things we complain about, (flopping, traveling etc.) it all comes down to - PLAYERS DON'T TRY and they are making more money than ever.
Angry Old Hooper nailed this in one of his videos. He showed the intensity between last year's NBA Finals and how it was no where close to the intensity of 01 or 02 All Star game. Especially the defense.
7:52 The NFL is about winning - not stat padding. Every game matters. The players care. The NFL media doesn’t pamper man-babies.
There is no such thing as a bad market in the NFL - people watch for the sport not the market.
Majority of NFL fans support teams while majority of nba fans support players. That’s why NFL viewership remains stable. some fans would watch less games cause their favorite player is on a bad team and stop watching when the player retires.
The NFL puts every team in a national broadcast at least once during the season. So you get to see everybody, even Jacksonville and Carolina. I've maybe seen half of the NBA teams on TV the past 5 years.
I canceled RUclips tv. Enough is enough.
The league is now a joke compared to the 80’s and 90’s. To be honest, the WNBA and women’s college basketball is much more compelling and the players have better storylines. If the NBA stops all the flopping and stops all the BS “50 three pointers” per game then they have a shot at getting back the fans.
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To be honest. I'm more interested in next year WNBA than the NBA.
@@hihellothere100Both are terrible leagues. The women complain about how they are treated and paid but produce a terrible product. No thanks. And the women are subsidized by the NBA. You have a few good players in the WNBA, like Clark and Ionescu. At least neither is gay, which the WNBA pushes incessantly.
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NFL is not a global sport. NFL is only in America. Global community dont care about it. NBA earn more in global stage
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Its the no defense and referee just going wild with the most bs calls and techs/ejections for me.
We need to drive the ratings down even more 😂
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They chat about LeDiddy all day meanwhile jokic claps his cheeks everytime
Players dont care why should the fans and this idea was dumb.
Useless tournament that gives stars even more money to sit out
Carrying and traveling hurts my soul.
I’d like to see NBA/FIBA Club tournament. Probably too difficult to pull off, but I’d be compelled to watch that if that could happen.
Ayyy those ticket prices I’ll go to a game. Cus lord knows these prices are too high
hey! with these cup games, the players are getting even more money on top of the tons of money they already gettin!
Now that's something i can get behind!
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If players would put the same effort into playing that they do into their fit they gonna wear for cameras to see the game would be better. This whole let’s just shoot 3’s feels like an all Star game where no one GAF.. so why should fans
Get rid of guaranteed contracts, start there. If a player signs a max 5 year deal, $150 million dollar contract, what incentive is there for that player to play? He's still going to get his money.
It's a star driven league and the "stars" are pushing 40.
I think another problem you have is the player focus on branding means no one is willing to be the heel anymore. The Bad Boys of Detroit were happy to be hated and people came in to see it. Reward aggression again and people will tune in.
An all time record 35.9 million viewers watched Michael Jordan hit the winning shot in game 6 of the 1998 NBA Finals featuring the Bulls versus the Jazz.
That Finals series averaged 26 million viewers per game.
The most recent Finals series between the Celtics and the Mavs averaged 6 million viewers per game.
Adam Silver is flailing away with in-season tournaments and All Star Game makeovers in an effort to pump up the ratings.
But the fact is that the popularity of the NBA has receded back to its pre-Larry Bird/Magic Johnson days when the Finals were shown on late night via tape delay.
I don’t see why the didn’t just add a wildcard or make division titles mean something like the other three leagues.
The NBA is getting exactly what it deserves for ruining Basketball by trying to cater to these social media kids , trying to make the game flashy for people with a 15 second attention span , thinking they'll help them generate ( MORE ) money that way .
*shorten the number of teams, the number of games and pack more talent on each team* 👌
It made me watch for 3 minutes. Can change the stakes, but if the formula is the same (being 3-point shooting), then it will remain the same.
I like to playing basketball but I haven't watched any NBA or college ball in probably fifteen+ years.
NBA cup? No one cares about some regular season award. (The fans im talking about) Including me. Its a dumb idea, kinda like trying to paint over rust.
Yeah, well you Can paint over Rust, but is it a good idea? Seems like the Saudis & Emirates are trying to work their way into some big league sports. Putting up lots of money, but can you make people care?
It’s just simply the fact that nobody wants to bootleg every game and the NBA makes it so complicated to buy that expensive subscription
Another problem is the lack of greatness and dynasties. As much as we all hate the super teams they’re a draw. The NBA hasn’t felt like it had any stakes since lebron vs Steph. We need a villain that the country and the world can root against and we need a hero that the world can root for.
Parity is bad for sports as a business; always has been, always will be. Casual fans-the vast majority of sports viewership-love dominant dynastics because everyone loves a winner, love superstars because they love a maestro at work; they tune it to see them dominate, to see who will upset them, etc.
Parity leads to casual fans tuning out. There's a reason why Caitlin Clark, the most dominant scorer in NCAA history, brought so many eyes to the WNBA when many "great" prospects before her didn't; she was so undeniably good that even casual fans wanted to see if she could make some noise in a professional league they traditionally don't care about. There's a reason why dominant fighters tend to draw better in MMA and boxing. It's because people don't really want 50/50 matchups; they want the dominant side and the underdog, and then they can either see a shellacking or an upset.
@@AriaRavenlockI agree that you need a dominant team, but you can still have parity with that. Just like the Chiefs have been dominant, yet the NFL has a lot of parity and most every team thinks they have a chance at the playoffs when the season begins.
@@excessivelysalty_81 If one team is super dominant, that's not parity. It'd be like saying the NBA during the Jordan Bulls had parity.
Anyone remember freedom fries? Some people are still up in arms about it even though Steph and LeBron beat Wemby.
Dropping prices and dropping attendance. Clearly it wasn't a brilliant idea.
A tournament is not a
Tournament unless there's elimination
theyre trying to copy what the european leagues are doing, in both basketball and soccer. will it catch on here, time will tell. main issue i feel with this thing is it doesnt really have any meaning to any team unless theyre a team like the rockets whom are on the come up and winning this cup wouldve been like a definte sign that theyre on the right path
Not sure that it is moving the needle. Load management and politics are killing this league.
Politics, no, flopping, load management BS, and a million 3-pointers per game, yes!
More load management than politics. Rule changes are necessary. Such as eliminating the corner 3 pointer, or making dunks worth 3 points. The modern ruleset is the biggest problem.
They try to compare it to the knockout Cup competitions in the various footballing countries in Europe, without realizing those competitions include clubs from all the divisions of the footballing pyramid. The NBA Cup is just consisting of NBA teams, thus it’s more of the same stuff just with different courts 😂
Honestly, no one is going to convince me that viewership is dropping. When it keeps going around the world. Maybe in the US, but that's just a small market compared to the global audience
The US audience is the most important. They are the ones that actually contribute to bring revenue to the league
Nobody cares bc the product is trash. The ungodly amount of threes, the disgusting traveling and carrying (wtf is this stupid gather step bullshit), lack of defense, and lack of star power.
All hail LeQueen James for all of this
Can’t even put the blame on him for this tbh
The NBA Cup semifinals and final should be in different cities like the NCAA Final Four. Next year it should be in Seattle. Las Vegas is an overrated city, no one really cares about the NBA there unless the Lakers or Warriors play a preseason game there or like Lakers winning the cup championship last year.
The nba cup is a good idea itself and I think it can work if the NBA went back to marketing teams and the discourse covered the games themselves and the sport of basketball. Get the fans to care about the basketball and then these in season tournaments will hold more weight. Put out a better product find a way to make players care and then finally make the game more accessible to fans and the problems will fix themselves.
I haven’t watched a second of it. I also haven’t watch a second of the NBA in more than a decade. Players are supposed to care about winning. If they ever start caring again, I might come back, but I doubt it.
Watched Bucks vs Hawks because it counts as one more win and loss towards playoff seeding and the only thing worth focusing on that has any real meaning and value being an nba championship. Might as well rest the starters for the STUPID cup final thing as they risk suffering injuries hindering there chances for winning what actually matters.
Keep hearing about ratings. What about attendance?
You can tell by the teams that make the nba cup playoffs and finals other than OKC.
I’m a Mass fan but I didn’t watch a regular season game last year. Playoffs were exciting until Boston dog walked them. Thought the regular season would be worth watching this season.. added Klay to Luka & Kyrie…but nah, regular season just doesn’t hit. Can’t explain it tbh.
The NBA doesn't have any new American born superstars. Giannis, SGA, Luka, Embid, and Jokic are all foreign players, with no home grown fan base. They had no following in high school, on social media, or college. So, the American fan base doesn't really know these players.
When winning doesnt matter anymore because they focus on stats. High salary but not playing. Lol. They need to bring back the 90s defense.
You it’s bad when WWE beating you in ratings
As a Bucks fan I think the NBA and NBA media has done a horrendous job marketing it’s small market stars. It is infuriating the lack of attention Milwaukee receives and how nobody ever props up or talks about how good Giannis is. In fact, I feel like NBA media is STILL stuck in the 2019 mindset that Giannis has no bag, no skill, and is just running and dunking. “Build the wall and that will stop him.” Just horrendous casual takes that are straight up false.
The cup was a terrible idea. I’m a laker fan I was DISGUSTED last year. we raise chip banners only!! I couldn’t believe my eyes. I commend Darvin ham and doc rivers for not celebrating and not hanging the banner this year