Corbyn on Labour’s victory
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- “We got more votes in 2019 than Labour achieved on Thursday."
Channel 4 News asks former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, about the party’s 2019 defeat under his leadership and what he thinks of Labour’s landslide victory this week.
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Lol Labour didnt Win... Tories Lost.
Power was just dropped to Labour.
Labour won
Say that without crying 😅
So Labour won
Whatever - more people voted against Thatcher than for her more people hated Corbyn than loved Boris etc etc etc
Yes, the swing was from Con to Reform.
He ain't wrong...
Yes he explained very well how he lost
@@RobinHarris-nf4yv there was a lot of tactical voting in 2019, too, by remain to avoid Tories getting in to deliver Brexit. I reckon people voting Labour in ‘24 are likely more sincere than in ‘19. The Tories are a complete mess.
@@LilacWolfArt that’s a good point, a lot of people voted against Johnson “getting Brexit done”
Goodness me that seems a lifetime ago now
Yeah reform werent splitting the vote they all backed Boris. Rishi wasnt far right enough so they split the vote
@@RobinHarris-nf4yv
@@LilacWolfArt nonsense the left have left Labour in droves. That aint sincere its neo liberal and not much different to Rishi & Cameron
He's spot on.
No. The GE shouldn't have been held in 2017 she could've gone for a deal. We didn't need one until 2020..
Corbyn should've told them we domt need one until there'd a deal..she wrnt for votes three times nobody agreed. Starmer had wanted a deal he was right
Yes he explained how and why he lost very well
@@veggie42that's not the point though. You're not wrong but that's not what he's talking about.
@@RobinHarris-nf4yvhe won his constituency though.
Well he's not wrong.
Yes Corbyn explained precisely why he lost twice
@@RobinHarris-nf4yv literally not the topic but you go on coping.
He's very wrong. He doesn't have a shred of understanding of our political system.
@@federiconoguera1162 it literally is the topic.
Corbyn was moaning how Labour won on a low vote share while he lost on a higher vote share.
The answer is Corbyn had no political strategy
@@urbanspaceman1what part doesnt understand?
He explained clearly that FPTP skews results and over inflates majorities and suppresses minorities.
Thats exactly what happened here. Labour got huge numbers compared to votes, Reform got tiny numbers compared to votes.
He explained this clearly.
What part are you saying he doesnt understand?
Its perfectly fair to say its crazy that 40% is considered a loss, but 34% is a landslide. Starmer isnt being called unelectable right now is he?
Britain could have had an honest leader.
The system was never going to allow him to get into number 10. That's why we need a revolution not a right wing Starmer majority
Getting millions of votes in Labour strongholds is meaningless in a first past the post system. The Tories won elections because they got more seats with majorities of less than a 1000.
This is the strategy that was needed to beat them years ago. If JC knew this why didn't he attempt to earn votes in marginal seats?
@@pbtips1 So we need to change the system or better yet scrap it
😂😂😂 Just like the US many in UK love , big lobbyists and media leader. The leader that take big money 💰 and mainstream media loves and answers to media pressure . And later wonder why their lives isn’t changing for the better . And some are even “ ooh I will vote for a rich billionaire man . He will make us rich and our lives better 😂😂😂
@@pbtips1he basically couldn’t. Greens and LibDems didn’t lend him votes, nor did disaffected Tories. He wasn’t popular outside the bubble before 2017, but people gave him a
Chance. After the Brexit discussions people had had enough of him. People voted Johnson because of him personally.
It is criminal the way that this guy is demonised by the media, popular press and social media. Same was for Michael Foot! Both share same attributes extremely rare in politics, honesty, integrity and just being nice blokes. I don’t agree with each of their politics entirely, but this level of bullying isn’t acceptable under any circumstances.
Totally agree!!
Getting more votes in seats you have already won is pointless in a FPTP system because the name of the game is getting enough votes to win in 326 individual constituencies and the Corbyn voter coalition was not wide enough to win that many seats.
Sacrificing votes in the safe seats to win votes in the marginals is how Starmer won a big majority on a small vote share. If we had a system that required more vote share the strategy and offer to the electorate would be completely different.
Why are you defending a system that is against democracy
Yeah but it’s not like Labour won by increasing their votes in key constituencies. They won because support for the Tories and the SNP weakened in them. Corbyn would have won this election.
In 2017 the Labour Right (Liz Kendell et al) directed all funding to their own and safe seats against JC's directions. It was Momentum that campaigned in Tory held seats and won many of them such as Kensington, thereby eliminating May's majority.
Also there is something to be said for having strongholds with large majorities as it makes whatever voter-coalition you formed to get into power more resilient and makes your hold on power more lasting. Right now Keir Starmer has a lot of seats, yes, but they're mostly held by the skin of his teeth.
Each Labour MP will now proceed in parliament knowing that they're in a very precarious position - largely thanks to some very questionable moves by Starmer.
1) that's exactly the point he makes 2) you always focus forces in seats you think they are marginal, they did it in 2019. (in 2017 less so because Starmer faction sabotaged the election effort by redirecting resources were they were not needed). This result depended on the votes gained by reform and on the fact that many more conservative voters than pro labour ones simply didn't turned up. It doesn't have anything to do with some genius strategy.
@@giovannipanzeri6431 you are wrong
Corbyn redirected resources to his allies with large majorities where it was not needed
Labour staff redirected campaign funds to marginal seats which could’ve won.
Forde report points this out.
Anyway Corbyns strategy was to focus only on the liberal left so he maximised votes in Labour heartlands and ignored swing voters in marginals
That’s why he lost twice…..strategic failure by Corbyn
This is slightly hypocritical, because he has never openly advocated for changing the first past the post system. He's said he'd like to get rid of the house of lords but he's never directly advocated for proportional representation
Show evidence, or else you're talking bullshit
How is it hypocritical, times change. We just had a new party join the fray and get 14% of the votes but 1% of the seats (I hate Reform but this isnt fair) and Labour winning there most disproportionate majority ever.
Corbyn always values fairness, the system is more unfair than ever and its totally reasonable he now has this stance.
He has only stated a matter of fact. He didn't say whether the current system should remain or change. He said there is a huge debate there and stated what the current system encourages and discourages.
@@hhhieronymusbotchhow are you supposed to provide evidence that someone hasn't said something? Do you have to post a transcript of everything he has ever said publicly?
@@twolessba1087 how about they start by providing whatever evidence they are basing their statement on?
The best prime minister Britain never had.
@@jimk8930 that would be Denis Healey.
@@mikeanagnostou4399 Drove high earners abroad. Really smart. Where do you think the money comes from?
@@denzil040709Brexit drive high earners abroad. Fourteen years of zero growth for the UK economy under the Tories. £150 Billion a year lost because of that mad decision. Shapps couldn’t hold on to a safe Tory seat.
look at all the liars getting upset over the truth this good man talks..
He's not wrong, but that's unfortunately how the system is built and has been for a long time. This is not a new phenomenon. Labour got more votes than the tories in 1951, and yet Winston Churchill formed a majority government. FPTP is incredibly flawed, but acting like you were somehow hard done by a system that hasn't changed since it's formation isn't the best response. Labour (and to a lesser extent the Lib Dems) succeeded by targeting voters in key seats they knew they needed to win. That is (currently) how you win elections in the UK. It's stupid and unfair but that's how it is.
Yes absolutely. But remember the right of the Labour party deliberately scuppered 2019 and 2017 by withholding finance to key seats etc. Starmer et al did that. So Jeremy is not bitter for no reason. See the Forde report.
Well put. They would have been able to capitalise on the votes had there been a proportional voting system - but that would also give a lot of seats to Reform.
He's forgetting a few important things
1. First GE with voter ID
2. People wanted the Tories out > tactical voting > more concentrated votes for other parties
3. Reform took votes from the Tories but from labour and libdem too
Also thousands of people didn't vote because of the post office eff up
@@revolutionukAnd lots of people didn't bother to vote because labour would've won by a landslide in their view
Labour did not win The Tory Party lost
Agree! Tactical voting to get rid of the Tories and it worked!! 😊 Corbyn had two goes at power and lost both times, the 2nd time, one of Labour's worse defeats ever! Now it's one of Labour's best wins! Corbyn was a useless leader!
@@Betweoxwitegan if they didn't vote it means labour didn't gain their vote.
You got more votes, well done. That made a huge difference to my life. All it tells me is that you had no strategy with policies which only favoured areas which were already Labour strongholds. And because of that I had to put up with years more of the tories
Jeremy Corbyn focused only on the liberal left voters, so he maximised votes in Labour heartlands and ignored swing voters in marginal seats.
It was a total failure of political strategy yet here he is gleefully pointing out his failure and selling it as a win
Awful smug man
Now we've got a Labour party that will make little difference to people's lives, at best slowing the decline in living standards. Great.
@@PristianoPenaldoSUIIII give them a chance. The last Labour government raised living standards and improved public services massively
@@thomashobbs1498 Well, we've got little choice but to give them a chance right now. But what they're promising in both what they say as well as in their manifesto doesn't bode well. It doesn't even compare when it comes to the level of investment and ambition we saw in the last Labour government let alone the kinds of things I believe to be necessary to stem the bleeding.
@@PristianoPenaldoSUIIII it is a little underwhelming, yes. But I think that is mainly to stop the right wing press attacking them. I think it will be more radical. Let’s see
Just remember guys, most of you only hate him cause Murdoch kept telling you lies about him and called him unelectable.
Good work being sheep.
Don't hate him. But he was unelectable, and nowhere near the organiser and leader that Starmer is.
@@JonScott-jv8jg how was he unelectable? He got 40% and alot more votes than Starmer.
Why is he unelectable but Starner isnt.
No, he was unelectable. All that gender bollox and Palestinian stuff couldn't be allowed to win.
Incompetent hapless buffoon.
Didn't Saint Jeremy lie about being a Remainer?
Thank you.
Jeremy Coleman I followed you from the beginning. And George , all will be well and the truth will be revealed and act prompt.🎉🎉🎉❤Thank you with the truth.....🌎✌️💯👍🌎✌️🏆🏆🏆💯👍🌎✌️💕❣️✌️❣️💕❣️✅️.
Denial is like a bad smell that never seems to go away
It's like saying you had more possessions and more shots on target even though you lost 5-0.
He went on tv after the 2019 election to say that he accepted the loss but believed he had ‘won the arguments’. He’s always been a well-meaning but deluded idealist with no willingness to sacrifice his own moral purity for the sake of achieving actual power.
Not exactly. He's proposing a PR system which works extremely well in Ireland for example.
Didn't lose 5-0. May lost her majority and had to shake the magic money tree to find a £20bn bung to bribe the DUP to function with no majority
A big congratulations to honourable. Jeremy Corbyn - MP.
2017 under Corbyn's leadership: Labour lost.
2019 under Corbyn's leadership: Labour lost.
2024 under Starmer's leadership: Labour won. And won big.
@@bacontf2 I think many on the left actually enjoy losing. A strange kind of martyr syndrome with Jeremy the Pious as their patron saint.
@@bacontf2 Starmer and his campaign targeted constituencies and voters in traditionally non-Labour areas. It’s no trick running up a big vote where you were likely to win anyway.
They didn't win that big of a majority! In fact Corbyn had a larger majority in 2017 and 2019. Check the facts!! People voted to get an absolute terrible tory government out and there was also a lot of independent votes. So the picture you paint is incorrect!! Tories so bad yet we now have red tories!! Well done UK
And thank god u didn’t win! Even though I would have been financially better off under him what’s the point if he’s happy to risk the security of the country! Dangerous man!
Well said but why didn't he push for Proportional when leader...
He thought he was going to win.
@@lucaplastow1590 Labour and the Tories don’t believe in it because the present system favors them.
So what, politicians banging on about the total vote... It's about the individual seats!!! Sorry it's a pointless statement Jeremy!
SNP was responsible for Margaret Thatcher winning the 1979 general election due to the timing of the general election and the SNP was again responsible for the timing of the 2019 general election.
A general election in 1978 would have been a Labour Government from 1978 and resignation of Margaret Thatcher as Tory leader with resignation of Johnson in 2020 if there was a general election held in 2020.
@@safirahmed no way that Labour could win after the Winter of Discontent. Labour was seen as beholden to the trades unions and for paralyzing the nation with strikes.
Our electoral system is mad
The comparison to 2019 and 2017 isn't really fair. The point is that, yes Labour achieved more votes in those elections than on Thursday, but the Tories won more than Labour both times. On Thursday, Labour won 13% points than the tories.
If you want to discuss PR and FPTP that's fine, but Corbyn framing it as if he was more successful in 2019 and 2017 is just hilariously wrong
2017 he got 12 mil votes 2019 10 mil. This year Labour got 9 mil votes. The point is that more people felt more passionate and connected to his manifesto than they do to Keir starmer's
Kid Starver apologist lol
@stopstealingmyname yes but did the Tories get more votes than Labour in both 2017 and 2019?
@@miamha Tory enabler
@@louis.pallett1476 it's not comparable when you talk about competing against the Tories, but it is relevant when you realize that this election had no competition. That fact is what makes it worth bringing up, because otherwise it would be a euphoric victory, which it wasn't. Labour indeed, didn't win again, they just didn't lose and the system does grant you benefits when your competition is worse than you are. Doesn't deny the reality of this year's landslide for labour, but it frames it in a more complex and real critique of how the party has been operating and their strategy.
He is spot on there… however this election was all about tactical voting to boot the Tories out… had Corbyn been careful and apologised he will still be an MP for Labour now… I hope he will still be an active in parliament
Always a Corbynite !!!
Same :-)
Absolutely, it's almost like the current labour leadership behaved and worked in such a way so that it can win an election in a first-passer post system rather than one that has proportional representation
Reform standing against the Tories gave Starmer his victory.
No it didn't it gave him a large majority, rather than a small one. Some Reform voters would've voted Labour or not voted if there was no Reform option.
The lying criminal fool, Boris Johnson, gave Labour the win. The Liz Truss incompetence, gave Labour the win. 14 YEARS of Tory mismanagement, gave Labour the win. Reform had nothing to do with it.
@@Invertedzerovery very true. Most of their electorate, (not all) are working class, and their populist policies will heavily resonate with them. Along with their scapegoat for all the problems they face. Immigration
Small majority, large majority, does it matter in the end? In a FPTPsystem I doubt it.
They're all in bed with each other anyway. If you want to see why the NHS, education and the social care system was collapsing, look no further than Tony Blair and the Labour party. Starter is Blair 2.0. And both support the WEF. 'Nuff said.
Labour we’re going to win anyway
FPTP gave him his seat so stop crying Jeremy.
I am sick and tired of populists, or attention seekers in politics. Has he forgotten this is the voting system that keeps him in parliament for decades? If he wants this changing then go and make your case in parliament. Man up J C
He is a cult figure, a smug man
Some one is talking sense!
The bottom line back in 2019 was that many voters and by that I mean thousands upon thousands simply wouldn't even consider voting Labour and when asked why, the answer was unanimous.
It was because so many people simply did not trust him and they were correct not to.
I distinctly remember, Starmer when he was out campaigning on behalf of Corbyn's Labour and as he was going round doors he sat down and listened to voters and when asked why they wouldn't really consider voting Labour, the answer more often than not was Corbyn.
Wow, let me guess, Keir Starmer told you that or were you there sitting at that table with him?
@@caricavideo100 might talk to you again after you have been declared sane.
In the meantime, probably best if you were to find your way back to your asylum before the orderlies realise that you have escaped.
@@neilburns8869 I'm not the one spouting nonsensical, made up stuff about sitting at tables with voters in the "thousands upon thousands". I understand that Corbyn lost 2 elections, but it's undeniable that he got more votes in both those elections that Keir, what happened with the "thousands upon thousands" that would have flooded the polling stations with their red pencil ready to cross Labour as soon as they removed Vladimir Corbynovski?
@@neilburns8869 🤣🤣 what a load of tosh! The propaganda machine was churning..
Of coure the public didn't trust him, considering that the media had declared a literal war on him. Very few people have been subjected to such slander campaigns as Corbyn was.
He’s not wrong.
And. You. Lost. Hard.
No he didn’t. He’s still MP as an independent.
@@khbvdl1 I meant when he was leader
Mate, I voted for you in 2017 and 2019, but proudly saying you got more votes is like trying to persuade me that losing a cup final 5-4 is better than winning the Cup 1-0 because you “scored 4 cracking goals and the new boss only managed to score 1”
You don’t celebrate finishing 2nd in the Premier League then start crowing that you happened to score more goals than the champions.
Get over it Corbyn. You lost it at a crucial moment when your ego got in the way and you dithered over Brexit
Have you heard about critical thinking ? It means not believing the Sun and the Mail.
@@jacquityler2803 Does it? I don’t think that’s the received definition
@mariGentle Just wondered where you get your news from because if it's either of the above or the express, telegraph or Gbnews, Mainstream media always pursue their agenda and have enormous influence over politics, I'm sure Murdoch has been meeting with Starmer well before the ge just as he did with Blair. The media control the narrative and politicians do their bidding. That's how it's always been.
Yes correct Jeremy but tactical voting is now a thing so it's not really relevant how many votes you got previously is it just be happy the tory party is out of power
You have to play the system in front of you. Labour’s vote efficiency was superb, plus, tactical voting reduced Labour’s vote share. It was a masterstroke.
Yes but they voted tactically Jeremy and you know it
Fed up with this old man moaning. He won't accept that he would never have been elected .
If he was leading the labour party this time around I reckon he would have. Ic the same amount voted for him this time around that would earn enough seats for a majority
I disagree because whether you like Starmer or not, he has changed the party, got a completely different front bench and although the voting pattern changed this time , Labour with Corbyn in my opinion would not have been electable because of his stance on various issues which are unpopular with centrist voters . I don’t notice many of his erstwhile supporters jumping ship , in fact many seem to have been unusually quiet . Still, it wouldn’t do if we all agreed would it ? Thanks for the reply though 👍
Corbyn couldn't lead the working class out of a paper bag - Alan Johnson
@@23715Agreed , that was a classic !! His comments when the exit poll came out in 2019 with John Lansman sitting there was unforgettable !
Love Jeremy and am glad to see him win and returned to office, however he did vote against the Labour government over 500 times so has mostly acted as an independent MP so let’s be honest about a voting system that has seen him be in parliament for decades. Don’t get me wrong I support his right to be there and as I say think the place is better for it but let’s not be hypocritical about the voting system that has given him his career.
What happened in 2019 though Jeremy. Labour lost almost 50 more seats under you, taking it to its lowest result in a century.
Yeah, but not because there was anything wrong with his policies, or because he didn't have support. As the number of votes shows, he did have support. The only reason he lost then, and Starmer won this time, is that Starmer did a good job at targeting the right seats. I personally think it's insane that a leader's ability to play a broken system should be more relevant than how good his ideas actually are.
He ain't but you can see why he lost, a tin ear and a total lack of humility
He's forgetting that over 13 million people voted blue AGAINST him in both 2017 & 2019 🤣
Same old ignorant magic grandpa... Stacking up votes in safe London strongholds doesn't win elections, winning marginals does. He could not sound more bitter if he tried.
Corbyn was reviled in Cornwall. Now we have 4 labour MPs. The difference? Corbyn isn’t in the Labour Party anymore
Actually more of an honest candidate, but better as an MP than as party leader.
What matters is who won haha, silly man
"we had more shots on target even though we lost!"
Labour didn't win in 2019 because they performed poorly in the narginals - the key to gaining power in a first past the post system .
Starmer carefully targeted this pivotal political area and aided by some tactical voting hit the jackpot .
It doesnt matter how many votes you get Jeremy its how you maximise them to your advantage .
Well said.
Jeremy was actually pointing out his strategic failure
You got more votes because you concentrated your campaign in well supported Labour areas ,live with the fact that you helped turn the red wall to blue . Never fit for government with your attitude !
But Starmer didn’t increase the Labour vote in those constituencies. He won because much of the Tory vote switched to Reform.
@@ultracrep8572 Labour won , stop crying and grow a pair !
@@andybyrne50 Burying your head in the sand and ignoring the truth isn’t going to benefit Labour, nor the country, in the long run.
Corbyn didn’t get elected because he couldn’t mobilise the tactical vote that starmer could. Corbyn is not popular outside his little bubble.
As to more votes, does he know how FPTP works? It’s irrelevant under this system (oh and the Tories got more both times).
It's quite clear that he's lamenting the fact that the system is set up in this way, which would not so subtly suggest that he's well aware of the fact that it's indeed set up this way.
He was part of a parliment and party that was blocking the democratic result of the British public by trying to reverse brexit , plus when a anti semetic terrorist sympathiser and communist is running for pm more people tend to turn out and vote against him
And he is clearly advocating against fptp in this video. if you believe that 30% of the country should be handed over 50+% of the legislative power in a country you’re a joke
More people wanted brexit to be implemented instead of blocked , simple as that . That's why labour lost the red wall
@@adamcunningham2511 it was implemented, it was literally only to leave the EU, it said it on the ballot paper.
Well, I remember Jeremy ensuring Boris Johnson had a huge majority. Play the poitical game Jeremy!!! Ideologues seldom have power to put forward their agendas!!!!!!
Labour went to the right and somehow won. Sigh
they won... half a million votes less than 2019
Somehow? It seems obvious to me that moving towards the centre would make it easier to win since most people don't exist on the fringes of the political spectrum.
Labour didn’t go right
@@drag0n_rage682 They didn't move towards the centre, they moved right. 2024 Labour demonise migrants and benefit claimants, are looking to privatise the NHS further (Wes Streeting accepted £170k in donations from donors linked to private healthcare) and are maintaining the two child benefit cap which keeps millions of kids in poverty. These are right wing policies, these are Tory policies but in Red font this time.
Imagine thinking a party that supports open borders is somehow right-wing. The absolute state of political education in this country. 🤡
Is this like when it wasn't a victory for the Tories as much as a vote against you specifically?
Seems to have forgotten he didn't win.
Twice 🤣
Not the point he is trying to make. Let's not be asinine about it.
@@dipayannag7413 ah yes of course, it’s how he won the argument. Was so effective in stopping the Tory 19-24 chaos.
He's not wrong but we don't vote proportionally in this country. So you campaign to win the most seats to get power in Westminster.
Or you get lucky because Liz Truss crashed the economy.
That is Corbyn’s problem: He is always interested in being right. Not in winning power. He should have joined a debating club long ago. Meanwhile Starmer now has the opportunity to something about the deep British malaise.
Prepare for disappointment
You are so wrong about Corbyn which his very very long standing constituents will testify. Proof right there!! you are even more wrong about Starmer! ( the snake)
You are so very wrong about Jeremy. Which his very very long supporting constituents will testify. Proof right there! You are even more wrong about Starmer. Lied about every pledge he made just to gain power he so craves!! Plus his scheming to sabotage Corbyn
Why is my comment being deleted!!? For the third time lucky! Corbyn was voted by his constituents for 40 years which proves his worth as someone capable and trustworthy. There is your proof. So you are very wrong about him. You are even more wrong about Starmer who is NOT to be trusted!!!
@@duncanpoundcakeBIG disappointment with lying Starmer!!!
I didn't vote for tories nor Labour...sad times 😅 democracy is a bisch. Its not per person vote counted...its per areas majority
If he knows everything, why did he lose so badly in 2019?
Keir Starmer would also have lost in 2019, thats what he's saying. Keir Starmer's performance is pitiful, 32% of the vote share and he's allowed to govern
@haaaaaay if his performance is pitiful, so is everyone else's. He got the most votes in the most areas. 2019 was due to Brexit. People keep comparing 2 totally different elections and whining that's it's not fair.
@@lonelylantern9135 I’m not saying it’s not fair and I’m certainly not whining, it’s a case for implementing PR. That’s what we should all be pushing for, people are calling it a landslide, it’s criminal that 32% of the vote share equals over 65% seats in parliament
@haaaaaay if you want Britain to become even more full of fraudsters, with a weak government then PR is the way to go.
I completely agree with you, except Labour got 34% of the vote and now have 63% of the seats in Parliament.
I've wanted Proportional Representation since my History teacher spoke about it in class one day. That was in the late 90s. I guess I was 14. I've since voted in six general elections and four of those votes have been for PR, among other things (three votes for the Green Party and one for the Lib Dems).
Last week, I was lucky, unlike many in the country. I didn't have to vote tactically. I voted for one of the two leaders of the Green Party and she's now my MP :)
@@haaaaaay
Just like in 2015 the UKIP got millions more votes than the SNP & got 1 seat & SNP got 50 or more seats. Same in 2024 Reform got more votes than LibDems & far less seats.
Gutted labour from the inside while he was there, handed the extremists Brexit vote on a platter, couldn’t win while tories were in a disarray. Now can’t be happy about his party’s win. Bitter much ?
As usual nothing but the plain truth from Corbyn.
He is a misery ,he's still banging on doesn't he realise that we all know the facts but he can't help being patronising & lecturing
We are in misery because JC was stopped from becoming primeminister by so many inc starmer and his snakes. We could have had real change not 5 more years of the blue tories and now the red tories!!
They kicked him out because he wouldn't suck up to they're masters in the colony.
I can’t believe people still subscribe to the fantasy that Corbyn would’ve been a good leader for Britain. Whatever chaos we have arrived at now, It would look a blip of this guy was handed the keys to no 10 in 2019!!
You should watch the Labour Files documentary
@janeday Patrionising or miserable Is the Last thing JC is!!!! He has time for everyone and listens. You ought to educate yourself!
In terms of popular vote Corbyn is third best Labour leader behind Atlee and Wilson.
He was not unelectable but he had to be stopped by any means because he wanted to do things for ordinary people at expense of the establishment
Corbyn is unelectable, that’s why he never won one.
Any means being people voting against him.
Spot on.
@@stevepayne5965
Jeremy Corbyn was unelectable he oversaw election after election losing ALL of them.
At the expense of the establishment. Christ. A man who has been an MP for 40 years and leader of one of the two main parties.
The ordinary people were more concerned what he would do to them, rather than for them. Myself included.
Okay but he still lost and gave Labour one of the worst results since 1935. So this is cope
That was the real quiz
"When I was manager we lost 3-0 but we had far more possession than today when my successor won 3-0"
He’s stuck in the past STILL
Poor Corbs. Bitter?
Nope.
Very bitter
@@RobinHarris-nf4yv: Wrong.
“I got more votes” ye you also lost twice
So true
Yes but you lost in 2019......
Don't sound bitter at all JC - should be happy that a Labour Gov is in place after 14 miserable years
Right wing labour with Sir Kid Starver
14 miserable years.only 5 years ago the tories had a 80 seat majority. Its the last 5 years that were truly dreadful not 14.
That doesn't sound bitter to me. In fact, he's telling the truth
He’s not bitter. He’s just correct
its not a labour government though so whats the point
He lost simple as that
JC is such an honest decent man
He is a legend
Oh Jeremy Corbyn
Most hated man in India......he talks too much and talks out of turn, knowing fully well that his words don't matter.
The best prime Minister we never had
He is no leader, just a life long protestor
What Corbyn fails to mention is he focused all his attention to getting liberal left votes which were in Labour heartlands
In other words Corbyns strategy was maximum vote share and minimum seats
Because in our country some people's votes are worth more than others, sure is a democracy.
Jezza forget that’s EVERY single Lab constituency he visited in 2019 turned BLUE 😂
He DESTROYED Lab across the country 😂
Also Starmers Brexit policy caused labour to lose in 2019. I know there were other issues but that was the main reason Labour did badly.
Starmers policy, who was labour leader in 2019 ?.
@@danielberry4765 Corbyn was a leader who shared power with other people. They undermined him, then they blamed him for what they got wrong.
@@danielberry4765 Do you think the Leader has complete control of the party? I know Starmer thinks that but Corbyn clearly didn’t. It was compromise with the Starmer wing that led him to endorse a second referendum, something which cost Labour dearly in 2019z
@@danielberry4765of Keir Starmer: “in the 2016 Brexit referendum advocated a proposed second referendum on Brexit He was appointed to Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet as Shadow Brexit Secretary”
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Jeremy Corbyn’s shadow cabinet.
Not kier Starmers
Thankfully Corbyn didn't get the same amount of seats!
Sour grapes. Gi away Corbyn..happy yiu are out of the Labour Party
Don't you mean the red tory party? Go JC a man of great integrity!!!
The problem Jeremy is that you were promising thing you were never going to deliver. That’s the problem with populism. Kier is at least going to try to do what he has set out to do. It’s not all going to happen or work the way we all hope but he isn’t just saying nice words for votes. I agree you wouldn’t have been as bad as boris but you wouldn’t have got much more done. Just wasted less money probably.
Corbyn also got a significant chunk of votes from people who wanted to block the Tories’ even harder Brexit than the one he was ambiguously supporting. Labour should have won in 2017 and in 2019 after the disaster of the Brexit vote, but only lost because Corbyn was unelectable. Thank goodness for Starmer: he may be dull as white bread, but he brought Labour back to the middle ground where angry, disillusioned Tory voters could support them.
The media made Corbyn unelectable with 80% of stories about him being false or misleading. 80%. Just let that sink in.
The idea that Starmer could have beat Johnson in 2019 is absurd. Starmer didn’t win by convincing centrist Tories to vote Labour, he won because right wing Tories voted reform.
How was a man who got more votes than Starmer twice, unelectable? Stop regurgitating Rupert Murdoch’s opinion
@@playerone9824 grow up. Corbyn made Corbyn unelectable.
@@playerone9824 not true, Corbyn made himself unelectable
but you lost. twice.
And lost both times. He achieved nothing.
If he was still leader he would have probably gotten all the seats given the Tory implosion. In fact even Larry the cat could've won this one without doing anything. It was an easy handover.
He achieved plenty! His constituents know this!!
@janewright2800 I was talking as labour leader rather than constituency MP.
@@richardbradley1532so was i
@@richardbradley1532so was i
He's absolutely right, how an earth can reform get 14% of the vote share yet only win 5 seats, the whole system is despicable
I’m happy we never got this man as our leader
Oh dear 🤦♀️
@anantshanker You don't like justice for all then ?? How sad
Labour couldn’t win with this dull man
We need Corbyn as much as we need Farage, Trump and a pain in the butt. The country voted for a change.
Huh? That makes no sense whatsoever. The kind of policies espoused by Corbyn are *exactly* the change we desperately need. Barely anything is going to be different under Starmer.
He forgets that the center of the party voted for him in 2019 and he didn’t have the vote split by resurgent small parties. The left of the party did not all vote for Starmer like the center did for Corbin splitting the Labour vote simple as.
I’m kind of sick of this, Labour won fair and square and people are still mad? What do you want? To be in a relationship with the Tories for another 5 years? We got the change we needed, now it’s time to hold Labour to account and make sure they are true to their word. Jeremy won in his constituency which was to be expected because he’s done a good job there for years, so what’s the big deal? Why continue the division? Why not move on and start a new and heal from the years of bs? The main aim was to get the Tories out, we did that. Now let’s move on and start fixing the country instead of banging on about the election. It’s done! FINITO! People need help right now, THAT is what is important!!
The issue is that in fact we did not get the change we needed. We got a heavily watered down change that will not address the fundamental structural issues that the country faces.
@@PristianoPenaldoSUIIII they cannot be radical through their intital policies because of the situation with the economy, you can blame Liz Truss for that. Plus we had to get as many votes across the country in different constituencies as possible so they couldn’t do a Jeremy Corbyn style manifesto, we had 2017 and 2019 to prove that. It’s about fixing the immediate issues like the NHS, Education, Housing and stopping the Rwanda scheme which is an absolute stain on our reputation as a country. Yes it’s not everything we hoped for, however, if they can build up the money through the courts with the PPE Scandal, create new revenues of money ie the tax with private schools, then we will begin to create a surplus of money that can used for radical means. It takes time for radical change after 14 years of corruption, remember our money was stolen in many different ways, the tories took charge and literally gave all the money to themselves and their friends whilst whipping up culture war after culture war which had divided this nation. Give it time for Labour to find their footing and you will see change.
@@PristianoPenaldoSUIIII considering my comment got deleted for some odd reason…
They’ve been in for 5 minutes, let them get on with their policies and create new avenues of revenue (tax for private schools and ppe scandal). Once that is sorted then we can get on with some radical reform. It takes time though, there’s 14 years of corruption to unpick and fix properly, that isn’t going to happen overnight and to get the votes they did, they had to be more centrist, it’s a reflection of the general thinking of this country, not just certain areas. Just give them a bit of time and once the fires are put out as it were, then they can make big positive changes but until then, let’s try and have some faith in them and hold them to account at any point if needed.
@theshewolfnetwork7875 you are making out as if this "Labour" party is the "squeeky clean" Labour Party. You definitely haven't seen the "Labour Files" documentary, have you? Not a single British Broadcaster wanted to look into this.. Why, you might ask? Because the News and Media companies of our country are controlled by .. "Friends of.."!
I love Jerimy Corbin
and this is why you're not PM😂
... because the tories hadn't completely disintegrated in 2019.
People were dumb enough to think Johnson was the correct choice... that went well didn't it 😂
He lost tho. He didn’t get them in the right places, so egotrip votes only
Starmer didn’t get votes in the right places either, Tories lost them.
Yes but you didn’t get enough seats did you. And because of your failure we had to suffer the Tories. Go back to being a good representative of your community and move on.
What it proves is that more people in this country support Corbyn than Starmer. It is just a fact. Corbyn is more popular. Our system should reflect that. If it doesn't then change the system.
Salty, A level Sociology student.
His Ego is so vast.... He can't get over it or around it.
I like Jeremy and I like his ego.
@@user-bk9fk2tq2z Well if having friends in Hamas floats your boat I guess it does.
Hey stammer, stop wanking the oligarchs!
He's right BUT tactical voting has been proved to be largely responsible. In an effort to get the Tories out people were steered towards Labour or the Lib Dems hence Labour getting significantly fewer overall votes.
Both elections were brexit dominated and in those elections the smaller parties weren't as prominent. Many voted for corbyn to stop a hard brexit not to support his program
I think you couldn't be more wrong.
People voted for Corbyn because his policies such as building council houses, properly funding the NHS, nationalising public utilities and transport were popular.
All i would say is if labour had a proper leader with a credible manifesto they wouldn't have lost to May and Johnson who were awful. Corbyn was seen as worse by the public however
@@CharliePerrett-ek2bt Corbyn was seen as worse because the media environment at the time was utterly hysterical, not because his manifesto wasn't credible. Rather, his manifesto faced more scrutiny than is typical and frankly it came out looking okay. I recall the BBC plastering his photo over a backdrop of the Kremlin, articles in the Telegraph about how the tie he was wearing showed that he was power hungry, constant arguing about antisemitism. About his manifesto I recall at some point some during an interview the presenter asking him if he would nationalise sausages ffs
Nope Corbyn was too on the fence and Eurosceptic about Brexit to really garner that vote and that's why he lost.
it wasn’t the Tories losing, it was Reform splitting the Tories with reform and benefiting either Lib Dem’s or Labour