Not really. Imo the Janitor was so stupid to visit a Veteran claim. Not a bad play from Flower but the Vigi undid his plan. So not the best plan. Best plays would be if an NK plays the Invest very well.
@@SirenPandaSabo i think mafia was thinking skimm would not alert, vigi would shoot skimm and skimm would be cleaned, flowers more or less being confirmed
I did the same in a game. Actually ended up getting us the win. Was so freaking proud of how I could talk myself out of it and convince people he was just CC'ing me so late since he was trying to get the most dangerous town dead when truth is he was bm'ed the day I claimed it and no one believed that.
@@SirenPandaSabo Oh for certain! I only came out as Vet since the janitor had been lucky and cleaned the vigi. I thought I was in the clear but I wasn't. Just pure luck we also happened to blackmail the actual Vet the day I claimed it.
I actually choked laughing when he came to that part, especially the way he read it being so deadpan. I'd been watching his vids instead of doing homework, oops, so I'd been trying not to laugh but that part startled me with how blunt it was.
MoonSilhouette77 However, if Vet does not alert, then Vigi kills vet and gets cleaned. That way, Flower would not get outted as Mafia as Skimm’s role wouldn’t come up. It’s a high risk/High reward.
That was a great play, but the main reason why it didn't work was because you knew the cleaned role was witch. If Neutral Evil was still at large, then that would leave Flower the NE role as a back up play after Skimm proved himself or was killed by Vigi/Jailor. Of course, since there was also a Vigilante, that would mean either Vigi or Jailor would still be able to kill Flower after the other one had lost their kill power on Skimm, but Jailors don't always bother with NE when they are more concerned about finding Mafia. So I could see Flower drawing out his inevitable death for several nights if NE was still at large. Especially with Janitor on the loose potentially cleaning the NE unbeknownst to the town. And then by the time Town finally decides to take care of him, or realize that he is in fact _not_ the NE, it might already be too late. So yeah. Somewhat circumstantial, but GREAT play. :)
I recently had a ranked game (not sure if it was ranked practice or not) where the janitor whispered to the godfather the cleaned role (who was jailor), and the gf boldly claimed jailor. The game ended with the jester, gf claiming jailor and the sk. The jester said "I'm all town", voted the sk but they still got lynched, however. They randomed it and ended up killing the GF, sk won. Boldest play I've ever seen.
Flower was trying to get you killed by Vigi, and taking a risk that you wouldnt alert. But let's say he got you cleaned succesfully. Vigi would die because of guilt and if town was paying attention they would notice it and most likely hang Flower. I think he didn't think that much ahead, or he assumed town wouldn't pay attention. I don't agree with his tactic being a good one. It was too risky and wouldn't pay much off. But as you said, it was a gutsy play. I really hate it when I get into fight like that. You had a good explanation, unlike flower(about how the Witch didn't die by maf but by Vet and got cleaned). So the Vigi shouldn't have shot you but should have shot Flower. You had a better defence. Assuming that, I wouldn't alert and I would have been killed by the Vigi and I would have been salty. He didn't want the jailor to execute you btw, otherwise he wouldn't send the Janitor on you.
flower's play wouldve worked well bc vigi wouldve died and and losing one mafia after making it so vet and vig died then its not that big a deal for mafia. If it worked then mafia would have been better off after that
Samuel Goshgarian well it depends, witch was already dead while no town dead at that poin. So 1 maf trading for TK and RT. I doubt that its worth it, despite that if jailor/escort got the godfather once, gf wouldnt be able to attack. So they could keep rbing the gf and find other mafias. So if jailor found gf short after mafioso died, it def wouldnt it worth it, otherwise it might have been worth it.
@@melih6083 hmmm, it would really depend on how the rest of mafia played. Flower was smart and if the vigi killed skimm then janitor wouldve cleaned and potentially allowed the rest of mafia and especially flower to lie. However, skimm was dumb in that he didnt claim vet right away after he killed witch. Im not trying to argue with you, im just discussing. I dont think it wouldve worked because the rest of mafia were playing okay, but not as good as flower tried to
@@noopSiesNife Yea I understand what you say, but Skimm was more likely to be Veteran anyway, he had a good explanation on how the witch didn't die by maf but by vet and got cleaned, while Flower didn't say anything on that regard. he just kept saying that Skimm is maf. So the Vigi shouldn't have shot skimm in the first place. So the one at wrong is the Vigilante. But I guess Flower knew town is never smart and went for it. But if mafia played it well and godfather wasn't sus enough to get jailed they had a big chance to win(assuming town didn't see vigi dying of guilty bec he shot skimm)
@Cheater500k And mafia can't clean their own, so it already confirms they're not mafia at least. At best, the town spends one day thinking he was jester.
What if there was a mafia that was like disg but instead made townies appear Mafia when lynched. So you can claim a ti role and say something to get them lynched and they appear mafia so you look townie. I think it would be very interesting and it would be a good idea.
Just had a game in RP where all the 99% of the town left over a few days and we won. But one person stayed the whole game, even though he knew he was going to die.The dedication.
I played a game where I was mafioso jailed night 1 and claimed vet. We had a vet in the game but we both were playing quiet vet and he didn't notice that I had claimed vet until the jailor's will came up and by then it was too late. He lost to the mafia lol
I'd say the Janitor visited you because he wanted to hide the fact that you were vet when vig shot you, so that mafioso was confirmed till vig died the next day. Probably didn't predict the n2 alert. But apart from that, I thought that was a good play. But I'd say if you are telling rt vig to shoot a vet claim then they will alert 9/10 times, so although it's a good play that helps your team, better to let mafioso get lynched.
It was still a terrible play. Vigis commit suicide when they kill a townie, so there's no incentive for him to not alert and no real way to hide his identity even if he hadn't.
Ultimate power move the mafia could've pulled. Would've been risky and no guarantee to work, but send the janitor try and guess the vigi since vet alerting was pretty likely. Clean the vigi so that his target isn't said and continue to sow chaos and confusion.
I think the Janitor wanted to clean you if you were fake/didn't alert so Flower could keep his Vet claim since your role would not be confirmed and Vigi said they'd shoot you.
I just had a game where it was me (vigi) mafioso and sk, I voted up the sk and the mafioso kept telling me like thanks and gg, turns to night and I shoot the mafioso for a draw.... Good times
You get such good games... literally this is how my last game went. (Name) the Investigator D1: The veteran: *Claims jailor and asks for tp/lo* N1: Ann Hibbins(bg, gf, arso) The Veteran: *Alerts* D2: *Doc, Bodyguard, and Lookout die to veteran* Me: *whispers to Ann Hibbins* Role, please Ann Hibbins: Transporter Me (After public chat is open): *posts results* Ok Probably arso game since they claimed transporter, and they were doused last night *No one really says anything besides me* D3: Ann Hibbins: *Is killed by mafia, then is transporter* Later confirmed to be arso: Get them, their will is wrong Town: *Votes me up* Me: Uh guys, I already said they were doused, and thats why i got bg gf arso... 1 Townie: Yeah guys, this is inno, it just means this is an arso game Later confirmed to be arso: *Keeps repeating that my will is wrong* Town: *All guilties except for the one townie, and yes, the trolling veteran also voted guilty* Me: Thanks town, you've done yourselves a lot of good by killing me, the obvious non-town... Me: *Dies* N3: Dead me: *Is very verbally annoyed that town lynched me* D4: The veteran: *Dies to mafia cause they didn't alert* Dead me: Vet, I'm reporting you, please don't troll in games Veteran: I'm not trolling, if anything you were trolling for putting the wrong results in your will Dead me: *Leaves because I can't take the game at the moment* Yeah that's how that game went, and I'm assuming that maf won. The next game I played with the smart townie that said that I was inno, and we were both confirmed towns and helped the town a lot. Thanks smart townie
Flower's plan would've worked if you hadn't alerted night 2 and doctor didn't visit as well. His plan was to get vigilante to kill you and janitor to clean so his claim would be able to go through. Edit: i did not wait for end of the video to hear you say that either lol.
Smart! Had Flower succeeded in lynching and you had been framed (everything prior to that having gone down), you'd come up as maf, therefore confirming Flowers role (falsely of course)
11:11 i think the expectation of the janitor was a gamble that you wouldnt alert and vigi would shoot you hence you would get cleaned and the mafioso's vet claim would remain legit.......... Until vigi kills himself though.
Pretty sure flowers goal was to get you killed by the jailor. Killing a vet AND getting the jailor to lose his EXE's is a strong move. If the Janitor didn't visit mafia might have won.
I was thinking of a new character idea, don't have a name and for faction the character could honestly be a NE or a NK, you can choose, but the characters abilities are: you can choose to attack somebody with a powerful attack(if you don't attack, the result will be random) and randomly reveal a town member each night. You won't be able to be attacked, lynched, or vote against somebody, as well as you can't talk or whisper. Win conditions are to have a similar balance in town-to-neutral and maf/coven ratio for a large duration of the game, specifics can be decided by you guys, and last, this character doesn't take up any slots, serving as a 16th player. Tell me what you guys think, and make adjustments wherever you see fit
The janitor visited you cuz they knew the vig would attack you and if you don't alert, your role would've been shown to the town as you would've died and flower would confirm themself
I have with any uniq roles, if fast CC the first to claim is probably fake. Town should always believe the last of the two, because the last to CC know that their CC will incline one of them lying. And a Evil don't want attention as a standard. As Ryan Denkewicz says, the Janitor play is just bad. Either he dies or cleans one to confirm they were town. One pointed out if the Vigi had claimed night before to shoot or by luck, the Forger could have altered their will to say they shoot Flowers, creating more mayham. - Would have been awesome, but still like Flowers play. A silent VET would have maybe loosed town the game.
That Vet play was super smart though but it based on luck, if there wasn't any Vig. You still have to debate through a lot, either they think you're jester and talking nonsense so town ignore you, or the Jailor will exe you instead because he the one who claimed Vet first.
Hey skimm! I got a GF strat I don't know if you used it. First you gotta fine ne, basically meaning consig is involved. If no consig you'll have to just randomly pick a "target" since you'll be claiming exe if and when need be. This works SUPER WELL if it works out. My last 2 GF games I won with that.
Best play i had recently: i am the janitor and mafiosi and i die n1 because of vet. I ask him to act like we talk about last two maf. No medium n2. N3 we continue to talk about it and medium responds for the first time saying we are dumb and gets a townie lynched. Sadly we obviously still lost and medium survived the whole game. Cool dude and fun game. Medium added me but if maf reads this, add Highmarc
I remember having to fight with another guy like flower and I was the vet but when we hung him later in the game we found him as jester, so it would be better to play off this technique as a jester instead of mafioso of course no shit there...
When you are a spy with TI room and you call out 2 people who haven't been visited by maf n4 and ome of them who claimed escort with a dead escort tries to push you saying that spy is a maf claim and no matter how obvious you have room he insists that you are maf so you get jailed by a jailor that night (who has no exes) and he claims to role block you even though you were.jailed and 1 person saves the vote by voting him last second an when he is guiltied he tells you to kys irl and then you end up winning a couple nights later.
Janitor likely tried to visit you Skimm in case you didn't alert, so you wouldve been shot by vigi then cleaned and not popped as vet. Would've bought the mafioso an extra day, risky but I can see why.
Bro Ok I was playing Dracula palace, Town had a perfect win. No one died. It was beautiful. I was revealed mayor. It lasted a long time, But... when there was like six people the one vamp left bit me ;( Town was so coordinated and clean and just everyone was like It was so great They like mayor visited and I'm just like "Yeah, I was bitten ;( " No escape, big oof. Really sad I missed out on the epic win
Oh we did that with VIP mode I killed pirate cl and medusa as crus and we hanged PM and poisoner and we lost sheriff but retri res him so it was I perfect game
Yes sure but it cost them the game based on numbers. Also the mafia chose to leave ret and jailor alive, this is so bad. HOLY CRAP I just looked and there's no transporter, so they left jailor and ret alive on purpose! I hate mafia that can't play especially on a video marked Hardest Fight ever.
The janitor came to you at night 2 because I think that if you didnt alert they were going to try having vigi shoot you and then clean your body so they could keep vet claim. I never played this game but I watch your videos all the time so that is what I think they were thinking
Janitor visited you hoping to clean your role paired with the vigi shot to confirm flower as the veteran since your role wouldn't show up they probably didn't consider you would alert
I once claimed vet as mafia, my mafia called me an idiot and essentially outed me for claiming a unique role but town ended up lynching the real vet anyway even though his cc (me) was already dead.
Janitor tried to visit you cos flower didnt expect you to alert so he was hoping vig would shoot you and jan could clean you so he could keep claiming vet
Fusking awayers. I hate awayers more than I hate any other form of gamethrowing because it drags the game out and is just super annoying. If you have to step away for anything more than just a few moments just leave so you don'[t throw off the vote numbers. I've lost too many games because my team was one vote short because someone was away where the needed votes would have been just right had that person been dead instead. And most times an awayer won't be killed by killing roles for just that reason. So, please, if you have to step away just hit the leave button. Also, yes, mad respect for Flower for that play. Though Janitor messed up and shouldn't have visited. I do understand wanting to get that clean so you wouldn't' have been confirmed Vet but that reasoning falls apart because of two things; 1 - There wasn't a confirmed Vig in an RT slot yet so it was unsure if you'd even be shot or not and 2 - I do not think a single player who was actually Vet wouldn't alert that night so even in the off chance there IS a Vig around Vet would have basic defense and not be killed. Still, bold move and it could have really worked out had to Janitor not died.
Time to cure my depression, i hope skimm gets a triple kill or something so we get to hear his evil laugh edit:so that witch just got destroyed, i guess everyone hates peter griffin with a passion(attacked ,cleaned,invested,and died to vet)
I alert n1 without talking d1 I know it’s not the best thing to do but I rather try and just get a kill on anyone and if I get evil then I’m just lucky Plus if anyone claims to visit me n1 I can just claim that I alerted and they would’ve died
No one seems to realize how bad flower’s play really was. A half competent town would lynch one that day and, if innocent, exe the other that night. This would lead to mafia’s best case scenario being a 1 for 1 trade mafia for a veteran. If he were jester then this would have been a great play but not as mafia.
The intention was to confirm a player and mess up town with mislynchs. Flowers would've been a powerful influence. Before you say this, the jailor didn't exe Skimm, so I don't think he'd be the best town leader
Dirty Dan Yeah jailor wasn’t great but that’s why I mentioned it needing it to be a competent town. And the highest number of mislynches that play should ever make is 1, which is not worth it for mafia.
This video reminds me why I don't play ToS anymore. Too many bad players and useless roles that have to rely solely on scum reading. Retributionist hopes to revive before he gets killed, useless mediums(dead leavers/quiet dead/lynched in janitor games), vigilantes listening to mafia.
Oh hey, my R.A.F went through mid vid, lol. Sry bout that, didnt know. Just started, hate the phone interface tho, can't wait for my PC parts to come in.
Flower had the town wrapped around their finger. I'm surprised anyone could pull a twist like that.
*Respect+ for both*
That was before a cc
Not really. Imo the Janitor was so stupid to visit a Veteran claim.
Not a bad play from Flower but the Vigi undid his plan. So not the best plan.
Best plays would be if an NK plays the Invest very well.
@@SirenPandaSabo i think mafia was thinking skimm would not alert, vigi would shoot skimm and skimm would be cleaned, flowers more or less being confirmed
@@mochiyeosang1908 Could be but wouldnt Vigi still suicide from that?
Jiang Jiang yeah wouldn’t it say that skimm was killed by vigi and vigi killed by vet
claiming vet as mafia is such a power move :D
I did the same in a game. Actually ended up getting us the win. Was so freaking proud of how I could talk myself out of it and convince people he was just CC'ing me so late since he was trying to get the most dangerous town dead when truth is he was bm'ed the day I claimed it and no one believed that.
But at the same time, it makes you even more sus when the real Vet comes out. Only a good play if there is NO Vet in the game.
@@SirenPandaSabo But when a vet gets kill then mafia has more chance to play as vet if they're good enough
@@SirenPandaSabo Oh for certain! I only came out as Vet since the janitor had been lucky and cleaned the vigi.
I thought I was in the clear but I wasn't.
Just pure luck we also happened to blackmail the actual Vet the day I claimed it.
@@bibbobella Hello Flower. You played very well, I would you win the game with that play xD btw why did you say to Edward "idiot"?
"I'm just gonna talk,
Then immediately alert, and hope that I don't kill ten townies?!"
Nervous laughter...
Flower did a pretty bold play with claiming Vet,It’s pretty nice to see a Mafia claim Vet every once in a while
The janitor wanted to clean the vet role so he can help confirm flower.
It was a good but risky play and if it succeed flower could control town.
Even then, the Vigi would have died the next night because they still killed a towny and Flower would have hanged D4 as long as town wasn't braindead.
I dont think a janitor can clean mafioso without trans/witch
Not really a good play, there's no way the vet isn't going to alert. Best case is Vet was jailed, but then the janitor couldn't visit to clean them.
@@mrdonkey1055 Janitor didn't try to clean Mafioso though. Janitor tried to clean Vet, which would have worked if Vet had not alerted
Well it was stupid, since the Veteran was going to ALERT because of the Vigi.
9:17 "They claim Jailor to the jailor" - Skimm 10.06.2019
Trk 61 Skimm says funny things XD
I actually choked laughing when he came to that part, especially the way he read it being so deadpan. I'd been watching his vids instead of doing homework, oops, so I'd been trying not to laugh but that part startled me with how blunt it was.
Also I wish invest had confirmed you??? You knew who witch was and he had it in his will
to be fair, a mafia might have been able to put it together too, but yes! I could have recieved help from the invest.
He only said "probably witch" but of the results were of witch then it was so likely and would have saved the vig had he come forward
He would have been confirmed because vig would have killed him
This is one of the most addictive games I have ever played
Janitor probably tried to get 2 cleans on non-maf kills, he knew the vig would go for the vet (you).
Which was very dumb tbh. If a Vet alerts, he's dead.
MoonSilhouette77 However, if Vet does not alert, then Vigi kills vet and gets cleaned. That way, Flower would not get outted as Mafia as Skimm’s role wouldn’t come up. It’s a high risk/High reward.
@@ManUtdBoy13 yeah but then vig would commit suicide still.
@@ManUtdBoy13 Plus it would make no sense for Janitor to clean a dead Mafia? So him being cleaned would out him anyways.
Tougourao would of bought flower atleast another day before vigi died and then if town wasn’t observant enough they may of got away with it.
I was just binge watching your vids, happy to have a new one to watch lol.
Lily Makenzie me to
gg Flower. will be sure to use your tactic in the future.
you should make a video in classic and just see how dumb a move you can pull off without getting caught :o
I claimed sk as sk and everyone assumed i was jester
@@mochiyeosang1908 lol
@@mochiyeosang1908 Genius
@@mochiyeosang1908 hiding in plain sight
You can’t believe the amount of games you can win as maf/ww/witch etc in classic without claiming a role 😂😂😂
Such an exciting first 2 nights. Great plays by mafia, just didn't work out since you were smart enough to alert first 2 nights.
That was a great play, you were the only one who knew and so it was you vs them to convince town and that was beautiful!
Ballsy play from the Mafioso without even thinking of consequence, lmao. Applaud to this Mafioso.
I think that janitor cleaned you in hopes that you didnt alert and died by vigi. That way the "vet" would stay confirmed. But it didn't go that way.
One vet said tp/lo day 1 and literally killed all the good/needed roles. Smh!
I have a dangerous Vet Bait, calling for TP/LO and if Jailor comes or other claim TP/LO, then i say nevermined and alert else i don't alert.
@@ComedyDesign please don't vet bait like that, it seriously does more harm than good
That was a great play, but the main reason why it didn't work was because you knew the cleaned role was witch.
If Neutral Evil was still at large, then that would leave Flower the NE role as a back up play after Skimm proved himself or was killed by Vigi/Jailor.
Of course, since there was also a Vigilante, that would mean either Vigi or Jailor would still be able to kill Flower after the other one had lost their kill power on Skimm, but Jailors don't always bother with NE when they are more concerned about finding Mafia.
So I could see Flower drawing out his inevitable death for several nights if NE was still at large. Especially with Janitor on the loose potentially cleaning the NE unbeknownst to the town.
And then by the time Town finally decides to take care of him, or realize that he is in fact _not_ the NE, it might already be too late.
So yeah. Somewhat circumstantial, but GREAT play. :)
I recently had a ranked game (not sure if it was ranked practice or not) where the janitor whispered to the godfather the cleaned role (who was jailor), and the gf boldly claimed jailor. The game ended with the jester, gf claiming jailor and the sk. The jester said "I'm all town", voted the sk but they still got lynched, however. They randomed it and ended up killing the GF, sk won. Boldest play I've ever seen.
i played a game as doc where i whispered the guy i saved and the blackmailer answered to my whispers xD
Flower was trying to get you killed by Vigi, and taking a risk that you wouldnt alert. But let's say he got you cleaned succesfully. Vigi would die because of guilt and if town was paying attention they would notice it and most likely hang Flower. I think he didn't think that much ahead, or he assumed town wouldn't pay attention.
I don't agree with his tactic being a good one. It was too risky and wouldn't pay much off. But as you said, it was a gutsy play.
I really hate it when I get into fight like that. You had a good explanation, unlike flower(about how the Witch didn't die by maf but by Vet and got cleaned). So the Vigi shouldn't have shot you but should have shot Flower. You had a better defence. Assuming that, I wouldn't alert and I would have been killed by the Vigi and I would have been salty.
He didn't want the jailor to execute you btw, otherwise he wouldn't send the Janitor on you.
flower's play wouldve worked well bc vigi wouldve died and and losing one mafia after making it so vet and vig died then its not that big a deal for mafia. If it worked then mafia would have been better off after that
Samuel Goshgarian well it depends, witch was already dead while no town dead at that poin. So 1 maf trading for TK and RT. I doubt that its worth it, despite that if jailor/escort got the godfather once, gf wouldnt be able to attack. So they could keep rbing the gf and find other mafias.
So if jailor found gf short after mafioso died, it def wouldnt it worth it, otherwise it might have been worth it.
@@melih6083 hmmm, it would really depend on how the rest of mafia played. Flower was smart and if the vigi killed skimm then janitor wouldve cleaned and potentially allowed the rest of mafia and especially flower to lie. However, skimm was dumb in that he didnt claim vet right away after he killed witch. Im not trying to argue with you, im just discussing. I dont think it wouldve worked because the rest of mafia were playing okay, but not as good as flower tried to
@@noopSiesNife he didint claim because mafia didint know who he was. That means he could still try to bait mafia into him.
@@noopSiesNife Yea I understand what you say, but Skimm was more likely to be Veteran anyway, he had a good explanation on how the witch didn't die by maf but by vet and got cleaned, while Flower didn't say anything on that regard. he just kept saying that Skimm is maf. So the Vigi shouldn't have shot skimm in the first place. So the one at wrong is the Vigilante. But I guess Flower knew town is never smart and went for it. But if mafia played it well and godfather wasn't sus enough to get jailed they had a big chance to win(assuming town didn't see vigi dying of guilty bec he shot skimm)
6:02 if the janitor visited you, that means the mafia thought you weren’t vet either. Or they thought you wouldn’t alert. Very interesting play there.
That's honestly a genius play, if Skimm didn't alert he dies to vigi, gets cleaned, and Flower basically gets confirmed as Vet.
@Cheater500k And mafia can't clean their own, so it already confirms they're not mafia at least. At best, the town spends one day thinking he was jester.
"I would've killed me last night" He makes his own meta as he goes
"i hope i dont kill 10 townies"
possible townies he can kill: 7
You watch! I'll find a way!
@@TwoPercentSkimm Glorious Amne's... so fun
BUT THAT AINT THIS GAMEMODE!
I’ve seen so many episodes and I don’t think I’ll ever get tired of it! Thanks for consistent quality content (:
What if there was a mafia that was like disg but instead made townies appear Mafia when lynched. So you can claim a ti role and say something to get them lynched and they appear mafia so you look townie. I think it would be very interesting and it would be a good idea.
flower sent janitor after you hoping you were going to be executed by the jailor so he would've still been able to claim vet. what a power move
The 9 dislikes are the dead night 1 mediums
And the 9 like on your comment are?
@@elite-117 ur dad and mom that got cloned
Just had a game in RP where all the 99% of the town left over a few days and we won. But one person stayed the whole game, even though he knew he was going to die.The dedication.
I played a game where I was mafioso jailed night 1 and claimed vet. We had a vet in the game but we both were playing quiet vet and he didn't notice that I had claimed vet until the jailor's will came up and by then it was too late. He lost to the mafia lol
I'd say the Janitor visited you because he wanted to hide the fact that you were vet when vig shot you, so that mafioso was confirmed till vig died the next day. Probably didn't predict the n2 alert. But apart from that, I thought that was a good play. But I'd say if you are telling rt vig to shoot a vet claim then they will alert 9/10 times, so although it's a good play that helps your team, better to let mafioso get lynched.
It was still a terrible play. Vigis commit suicide when they kill a townie, so there's no incentive for him to not alert and no real way to hide his identity even if he hadn't.
Janitor tried to clean you so that you’ll stay hidden. Town won’t know that you’re vet and would assume you were jester.
Yep, but was undone by the Vet alerting. Dumb idea if you ask me.
Finally playing some ranked, love to see it
The janitor was gonna clean you once the vigi shot you, and interesting play indeed.
Ultimate power move the mafia could've pulled. Would've been risky and no guarantee to work, but send the janitor try and guess the vigi since vet alerting was pretty likely. Clean the vigi so that his target isn't said and continue to sow chaos and confusion.
That would have been sick if you died to vig and we're cleaned. Flower would have looked like a confirmed vet until vig died to guilt
it wasn't sick as Vet was close to sure to alert because of the vigi threat, i would rather kill the vigi than 2 townies die
yesss, finally a ranked gameeeee
@Skimm I hope you're excited for 100K!!!
I think the Janitor wanted to clean you if you were fake/didn't alert so Flower could keep his Vet claim since your role would not be confirmed and Vigi said they'd shoot you.
I just had a game where it was me (vigi) mafioso and sk, I voted up the sk and the mafioso kept telling me like thanks and gg, turns to night and I shoot the mafioso for a draw.... Good times
You get such good games... literally this is how my last game went.
(Name) the Investigator
D1:
The veteran: *Claims jailor and asks for tp/lo*
N1: Ann Hibbins(bg, gf, arso)
The Veteran: *Alerts*
D2:
*Doc, Bodyguard, and Lookout die to veteran*
Me: *whispers to Ann Hibbins* Role, please
Ann Hibbins: Transporter
Me (After public chat is open): *posts results* Ok Probably arso game since they claimed transporter, and they were doused last night
*No one really says anything besides me*
D3:
Ann Hibbins: *Is killed by mafia, then is transporter*
Later confirmed to be arso: Get them, their will is wrong
Town: *Votes me up*
Me: Uh guys, I already said they were doused, and thats why i got bg gf arso...
1 Townie: Yeah guys, this is inno, it just means this is an arso game
Later confirmed to be arso: *Keeps repeating that my will is wrong*
Town: *All guilties except for the one townie, and yes, the trolling veteran also voted guilty*
Me: Thanks town, you've done yourselves a lot of good by killing me, the obvious non-town...
Me: *Dies*
N3: Dead me: *Is very verbally annoyed that town lynched me*
D4: The veteran: *Dies to mafia cause they didn't alert*
Dead me: Vet, I'm reporting you, please don't troll in games
Veteran: I'm not trolling, if anything you were trolling for putting the wrong results in your will
Dead me: *Leaves because I can't take the game at the moment*
Yeah that's how that game went, and I'm assuming that maf won.
The next game I played with the smart townie that said that I was inno, and we were both confirmed towns and helped the town a lot. Thanks smart townie
Flower's plan would've worked if you hadn't alerted night 2 and doctor didn't visit as well. His plan was to get vigilante to kill you and janitor to clean so his claim would be able to go through. Edit: i did not wait for end of the video to hear you say that either lol.
Smart! Had Flower succeeded in lynching and you had been framed (everything prior to that having gone down), you'd come up as maf, therefore confirming Flowers role (falsely of course)
11:11 i think the expectation of the janitor was a gamble that you wouldnt alert and vigi would shoot you hence you would get cleaned and the mafioso's vet claim would remain legit.......... Until vigi kills himself though.
That Flower + janitor play was on another level. What god graced us with their gameplay?
Was an honor to play with you Skimm.
Pretty sure flowers goal was to get you killed by the jailor. Killing a vet AND getting the jailor to lose his EXE's is a strong move. If the Janitor didn't visit mafia might have won.
Exactly. Finally someone agrees xD
711 views, 23 likes, now 24, just like 711 is 24/7.... it went up while I was writing and fixing this...
Was I the only one seeing the LOs will and realized that Lisa was fake when LO got hanged?
I think the Mafia had Janitor visit you to keep your actual role as Vet hidden so Flower could keep pretending to be Vet after you died.
But obviously b/c you alerted, their plan didn't work
Janitor visited you in hopes the vigi shot would go through, you’d be cleaned, and buy Flower another night, or get them off if town was stupid
So why didn't invest confirm you again?
@Achim Leonida pretty much
Lisa claimed they were on James D1 when he didnt ask for tp till d2 and someone else asked for tp d1
I was thinking of a new character idea, don't have a name and for faction the character could honestly be a NE or a NK, you can choose, but the characters abilities are: you can choose to attack somebody with a powerful attack(if you don't attack, the result will be random) and randomly reveal a town member each night. You won't be able to be attacked, lynched, or vote against somebody, as well as you can't talk or whisper. Win conditions are to have a similar balance in town-to-neutral and maf/coven ratio for a large duration of the game, specifics can be decided by you guys, and last, this character doesn't take up any slots, serving as a 16th player. Tell me what you guys think, and make adjustments wherever you see fit
On n2, I imagined you wielding dual pistols shooting left to right, killing your attackers
CHAOS ALL/ANY meta
claim witch in whispers to random people
"hey maf, I'm witch, who else is maf"
7 out of 10, they spill the beans
The janitor visited you cuz they knew the vig would attack you and if you don't alert, your role would've been shown to the town as you would've died and flower would confirm themself
flower aka kaam GG! nice play u deserve a prop and then some
Mission Accomplished +respect
Always an interesting game if there is a Veteran!
I have with any uniq roles, if fast CC the first to claim is probably fake.
Town should always believe the last of the two, because the last to CC know that their CC will incline one of them lying.
And a Evil don't want attention as a standard.
As Ryan Denkewicz says, the Janitor play is just bad. Either he dies or cleans one to confirm they were town.
One pointed out if the Vigi had claimed night before to shoot or by luck, the Forger could have altered their will to say they shoot Flowers, creating more mayham. - Would have been awesome, but still like Flowers play. A silent VET would have maybe loosed town the game.
Skimm I was the refer a friend lol I did it cause I liked your channel so much, didn’t think it would make it in the vid tho lol
So janitor visited in hopes that vig gets shot off and you get cleaned so your role isn’t confirmed as vet until vigi dies of guilt
What TOS players hate to see:That red message saying you died
That Vet play was super smart though but it based on luck, if there wasn't any Vig. You still have to debate through a lot, either they think you're jester and talking nonsense so town ignore you, or the Jailor will exe you instead because he the one who claimed Vet first.
Hey skimm! I got a GF strat I don't know if you used it.
First you gotta fine ne, basically meaning consig is involved. If no consig you'll have to just randomly pick a "target" since you'll be claiming exe if and when need be. This works SUPER WELL if it works out. My last 2 GF games I won with that.
Dude u were in my game
Best play i had recently: i am the janitor and mafiosi and i die n1 because of vet. I ask him to act like we talk about last two maf. No medium n2. N3 we continue to talk about it and medium responds for the first time saying we are dumb and gets a townie lynched. Sadly we obviously still lost and medium survived the whole game. Cool dude and fun game. Medium added me but if maf reads this, add Highmarc
It was ranked but we all love skimm ;) sadly i still dont know how to join your discord
I love watching tos vids, all the brain plays and 200 IQ's
I remember having to fight with another guy like flower and I was the vet but when we hung him later in the game we found him as jester, so it would be better to play off this technique as a jester instead of mafioso of course no shit there...
The best anime fight 2019
When you are a spy with TI room and you call out 2 people who haven't been visited by maf n4 and ome of them who claimed escort with a dead escort tries to push you saying that spy is a maf claim and no matter how obvious you have room he insists that you are maf so you get jailed by a jailor that night (who has no exes) and he claims to role block you even though you were.jailed and 1 person saves the vote by voting him last second an when he is guiltied he tells you to kys irl and then you end up winning a couple nights later.
Janitor likely tried to visit you Skimm in case you didn't alert, so you wouldve been shot by vigi then cleaned and not popped as vet. Would've bought the mafioso an extra day, risky but I can see why.
Good job flower
I'd love to see more ranked from you, pretty entertaining.
Bro
Ok I was playing Dracula palace,
Town had a perfect win. No one died. It was beautiful. I was revealed mayor.
It lasted a long time,
But... when there was like six people the one vamp left bit me ;(
Town was so coordinated and clean and just everyone was like
It was so great
They like mayor visited and I'm just like
"Yeah, I was bitten ;( "
No escape, big oof.
Really sad I missed out on the epic win
Oh we did that with VIP mode I killed pirate cl and medusa as crus and we hanged PM and poisoner and we lost sheriff but retri res him so it was I perfect game
@@argonaut909 it's was so cool when it was happening!!
:D
The graveyard was just vamp, vamp, vamp.
@@ziril3972 so satisfying to see all those evils in the grave yard
@@argonaut909 yes, Quite.
I think flowers was hoping that you didn’t alert and vigi shot you while janitor cleaned you so they would be confirmed as vet
Yes sure but it cost them the game based on numbers. Also the mafia chose to leave ret and jailor alive, this is so bad. HOLY CRAP I just looked and there's no transporter, so they left jailor and ret alive on purpose! I hate mafia that can't play especially on a video marked Hardest Fight ever.
The janitor came to you at night 2 because I think that if you didnt alert they were going to try having vigi shoot you and then clean your body so they could keep vet claim. I never played this game but I watch your videos all the time so that is what I think they were thinking
:0 I just finished the video and that was why!
Janitor visited you hoping to clean your role paired with the vigi shot to confirm flower as the veteran since your role wouldn't show up they probably didn't consider you would alert
How could I not alert? It's the only way to prove I'm the real vet lol
That was 900 iq holy
Does anyone notice when flower gets voted up Lisa, a mafia member, votes them up too?
I once claimed vet as mafia, my mafia called me an idiot and essentially outed me for claiming a unique role but town ended up lynching the real vet anyway even though his cc (me) was already dead.
Everybody is talking about Flower but who has died laughing about the forget that claimed jailor to the jailor LMFAO
A little late but janitor was trying to conceal your role and have then think you're mafia.
Shoulda reported flowers. He called out last Mafia when he died
Janitor tried to visit you cos flower didnt expect you to alert so he was hoping vig would shoot you and jan could clean you so he could keep claiming vet
Well it didn't work.
I feel tempted to try Flower’s tactic as a Jester,
Flower: I'm vet
TwoPercent: No I'm vet
Flower: he is lying hang him
Video's name: *HARDEST FIGHT EVET*
Stfu
Fusking awayers. I hate awayers more than I hate any other form of gamethrowing because it drags the game out and is just super annoying. If you have to step away for anything more than just a few moments just leave so you don'[t throw off the vote numbers. I've lost too many games because my team was one vote short because someone was away where the needed votes would have been just right had that person been dead instead. And most times an awayer won't be killed by killing roles for just that reason.
So, please, if you have to step away just hit the leave button.
Also, yes, mad respect for Flower for that play. Though Janitor messed up and shouldn't have visited. I do understand wanting to get that clean so you wouldn't' have been confirmed Vet but that reasoning falls apart because of two things; 1 - There wasn't a confirmed Vig in an RT slot yet so it was unsure if you'd even be shot or not and 2 - I do not think a single player who was actually Vet wouldn't alert that night so even in the off chance there IS a Vig around Vet would have basic defense and not be killed.
Still, bold move and it could have really worked out had to Janitor not died.
Janitor visited just in case you didn't alert
Dumb idea if you ask me. It's a huge risk and it ended the Mafia's chance to win, since they would have needed numbers.
Time to cure my depression, i hope skimm gets a triple kill or something so we get to hear his evil laugh
edit:so that witch just got destroyed, i guess everyone hates peter griffin with a passion(attacked ,cleaned,invested,and died to vet)
If the jani cleans up your role when vigi shoots you, flower can maintain his vet claim, that’s why janitor visited you?
Wooo more tos to watch
They knew vigi was gonna shoot and flower is mafia so if you died they can’t have you confirmed vet because it would cc him
Be retri.
Revive the killer.
I want to see everyone´s faces
mateic you can’t res non townies
I alert n1 without talking d1
I know it’s not the best thing to do but I rather try and just get a kill on anyone and if I get evil then I’m just lucky
Plus if anyone claims to visit me n1 I can just claim that I alerted and they would’ve died
No one seems to realize how bad flower’s play really was. A half competent town would lynch one that day and, if innocent, exe the other that night. This would lead to mafia’s best case scenario being a 1 for 1 trade mafia for a veteran. If he were jester then this would have been a great play but not as mafia.
The intention was to confirm a player and mess up town with mislynchs. Flowers would've been a powerful influence. Before you say this, the jailor didn't exe Skimm, so I don't think he'd be the best town leader
Dirty Dan Yeah jailor wasn’t great but that’s why I mentioned it needing it to be a competent town. And the highest number of mislynches that play should ever make is 1, which is not worth it for mafia.
Yes New Video
I love you’re videos❤️
This video reminds me why I don't play ToS anymore. Too many bad players and useless roles that have to rely solely on scum reading. Retributionist hopes to revive before he gets killed, useless mediums(dead leavers/quiet dead/lynched in janitor games), vigilantes listening to mafia.
Oh hey, my R.A.F went through mid vid, lol. Sry bout that, didnt know. Just started, hate the phone interface tho, can't wait for my PC parts to come in.