Abbas Haider I watched the third part of the four-part interview you did with me. I honestly think the way you have organized and structured the interview is outstanding. Readers can now examine each aspect of the Partition, Jinnah and the Muslim League. Your competence as a journalist and intellectual is amply demonstrated and I got abundant opportunity to take us different issues and bring forth my findings. I hope this series gets very wide attention because before the book is published it is the most comprehensive discussion on what I have presented in my book. I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
@@Billumian47 Sir, do you see another partition of India for Muslims as seen 2-3 new states by Jinnah saab? As India is going from secularism towards Hindu state. Thanks & Regards.
I don't think you mean it seriously or rather this sounds like wishful thinking. Why can't you see that the first partition has been a disaster and it was the Muslim leadership which brought about that catastrophe. Another partition based on religion!!!!! It is an absurd idea.
I love the interviews with Prof.Dr.Ishtiaq Ahmed. They reveal a lot of untold truth. Thank you Abbas Haidar. By the way I am an NRI Hindu living in UK and to me and my friends it does not matter to what religion an Indian belongs to: Hindu, Muslim, Christian or any other religion.I visit mother India every year as I love my homeland the most- as Prof.Dr. indicates " connection with the Earth you are born"! Like to see more of these programmes.
Dr. Ishtiaq Sahib I am so grateful for your straight forward thinking (and Abbas Haidar for a great interview). Yes, we have to look back at history to form an opinion of our own. I remember my parents and grandparents talking stories about their homes they left. They had such love for the places they lost. As kids we never took their emotional attachments seriously, but as I grew old, and now live in a foreign country I can understand their pain and sense of loss for their ancestral homes in Eastern Punjab and Bihar.
Me from Pak. Now a sizeable community is listening to such voices and absorbing it. We migrated from east Punjab and now calculate the pros and cons of div.
Very genuine and sober Abbas Saheb, the inevitable conclusion one reaches is that 1. Pakistan was creation of the British designed for serving their strategic and geopolitical interests. 2. Then as was said at those times, Muslim League was not more than a toady party and whatever struggle it apparently did was nothing more than a design to lend credence to the movement being genuine. 3. Then the logical corollary regarding quaid e Azam is that he was fielded by the British and also made into a great leader on purpose. What is your take. Please share.
On the third point: Jinnah was not a fake leader, but a real leader, like Hitler. He was evil, a fake, a self centered person, arrogant, classist, fake Muslim, fake Sunni, liar, whatever.... but a real leader. He could use Islam to fan violence in many parts of India, created a sense of false-superiority in many Indian Muslims, create a mass movement out of them, make them vote for his party and all this needed real leadership skills. People died for him and killed for him. In a different scenario, he would have been jailed and sent to gallows for sedition or invoking riots, but then British loved him as he perfectly served their purpose at the time. He was the tool by which they could continue to keep a hold on the subcontinent. Muslims League was a toady party, but Jinnah's presidential messaging with use of religion, just like Modi's now, allowed them to get significant Muslim vote despite an intellectually and socially weak base.
The problem of Pakistan is if they start questioning, and revisiting the old decisions, ultimately, the two nation theory will become questionable, and hence the foundation of Pakistan will become shaky, people will become wise with passing time and starting rejecting the wrong decisions of founding fathers of Pakistan. This is too much, keep the pandora box of falsehood closed.
The worst thing about muslim League is that in the beginning they used to talk about the rights of muslims in minority provinces, but later on they settled themselves in majority provinces, this hurts me as i am a muslim of minority province, thats why i have more respect for Maulana Azad than Jinnah.
@@vickyvicky2734 population of Muslims in india is more than 20 crore, around 15%, but member of parliament are only 4%, And you see that BJP, the world's largest party, didn't gave a single ticket to muslim in UP and Bihar, Although Muslims are almost 20% in both the states..i hope i answered your question
Mohsin Rauf the main reason is muslim only vote acc to RELIGION not as a citizen ! In delhi muslim cndiadre won by 2 lakh votes while education minister won by 2.5 k votes
I like Prof. Ishtiaq Ahmed. I want to know more about him and his family ancestry etc (if not intruding) and his whole biography. Is it possible to have one? Could you ask Ishtiaq Sir to write a biography of his own for his fans and admirers.? Thank you.
"Dharti se ajib ishq hota hein", what a line that was. wherever we are, Bangladesh Pakistan or India, we're dividing ourselves on some clueless weird but actual and cruel facts. Once british mislead us, then some rubbish politicians like Yahya and some other west Pakistani stupid leaders did that filthy thing. Otherwise it was possible for both Bangladesh and Pakistan to stay together. Now It's time to only regret.
We are showering too much praise on Mr Ishtiaq. His books are more like those written by columnists. I wonder where have the pakistani historians gone to? Maybe they have taken leave of their subject (History). I am sure one-day they would rebut Mr Ishtiaq's findings, especially the findings relating to the period of 1927 to 1947 and 1948 to 1958. It appear his views of Jinnah are not well-reachered.
@@AliAsghar-xy2uf I'm from Bangladesh, Don't know that much about Ishtiaq; just watched this particular episode and some arguments seemed remarkable to me, that's it
Pakistani daily rant about Bangladesh getting parted. But they never know the angst of Hindus about the loss of Punjab, Sindh,Baluchistan,Phakthonistan and east Bengal
बहुत अच्छी और निष्पक्ष बात। वैसे एक बात कहना चाहूंगा कि चाहे मोदी आ जाए या कोई और पर भारत के मुस्लिम सुरक्षित थे, हैं और रहेंगे क्यूंकि हमारे यहां सब भारतीय हैं और एक एक मुसलमान की ज़िंदगी के लिए हम अपनी जान की बाजी लगा देंगे। बाकी आपको हिंदुस्तान से ढेर सारा प्यार ❤️❤️❤️
Religion doesn't make a nation. In B'desh coin impression a boy and a girl with a book in their hands is there whereas in Pakistani coin impression of a mosque is there. This is the difference between B'desh and Pakistan.
@@imtiazahammedsabbir8211 Pakistan was created based on religion ( 2 nation theory ). Now you see what's the condition of Pakistan. It's on the verge of disintegration. Balochistan wants seperation, FATA wants seperation, Sindhudesh wants seperation . Sunnis are driving out Ahmedias and Shias. Then Borelvis will drive out Deobandis.
@@dipakdasgupta2527 বিচ্ছিন্নতাবাদ আন্দোলন ভারতেই কিন্তু তীব্রভাবে হচ্ছে। সেভেন সিস্টারস, খালিস্তান।ভারতে ১৪ কোটি দলিত সম্প্রদায় আছে, যারা মৌলিক অধিকার গুলো পযন্ত পায়না(তারা হিন্দু ধমের).মুসলিমদের কি অবস্থা সেটা ভালো করে জানেন।তারপর ও কেন আপনারা স্বীকার করেন না দ্বিজাতিতত্ত্ব ঠিক ছিলো? বাংলাদেশে হিন্দুরা কতো শান্তিতে আছে, দেশের সবধরনের চাকরিতে তাদের জয়জয়কার। গতকাল একটা সারভেতে দেখলাম ৪৪২ জন হিন্দু সচিব।চিন্তা করেন আপানারা যাদের পক্ষে সাফাই গান ওই দেশ থেকেও শান্তিতে আছেন।(কোন জাতপাতের চিন্তা করতে হয়না)।পাকিস্তানকে অনেক ষড়যন্ত্রের ফেস করতে হয়।সাবকন্টিনেটের মোসলমানরা এখন সবকিছু বুঝে,তাদেরকে অতীতের মতো ব্রেইনওয়াশ করা যাবেনা!তবে একটা বিষয় খুবই খারাপ লাগে, ভারতীয় মুসলমানরা এতো অবিচার সত্বেও তারা দেশ উন্নয়নে অবদান রাখে,অন্যদিকে বাংলাদেশের অধিকাংশ হিন্দুরা এতো শান্তিতে থাকার পরও ইন্ডিয়ার পক্ষে কথা বলে, দেশদ্রোহী কাজ করে।
@@imtiazahammedsabbir8211 ভারত একটি গণতান্ত্রিক এবং secular রাষ্ট্র এবং ১৩৫ কোটি জনসংখ্যা। এখানে বিভিন্ন জাতির বিভিন্ন দাবি দাওয়া থাকতেই পারে সেটা কোনো বিছিন্নতাবাদি আন্দোলন নয়। ভারতে বাংলাদেশের থেকে বেশি মুসলমান বাস করে এবং তারা কোনোদিন ভারত ছেড়ে যাবে না। ১৯৪৭ সালে ভারতে মুসলমান ছিলো ১০% আর এখন সেই সংখ্যা ২০% এর উপরে। বাংলাদেশ থেকে এখনো হিন্দু উদ্বাস্তুরা ভারতে আসে । বাংলাদেশে ১৯৪৭ সালে ২৩% এর মত হিন্দু ছিলো আর এছন সেই সংখ্যা ১০% এর মত। কিছু দিন আগে কুমিল্লা এবং চট্টগ্রামে হিন্দু উৎখাত হয়েছে। ভারতে তিনজন মুসলমান রাষ্ট্রপতি ছিলো এবং তিনজন মুসলমান supreme court এর প্রধান বিচারপতি ছিলো। এখানকার মুসলমানরা লেখা পড়া একটু কম শেখে তাই সরকারিতে একটু কম আছে । যারা লেখা পড়া শেখে তারা competitive exam দিয়ে ভালো চাকরি পায়। গতবছর এবং এবছর IAS এ দু'জন মুসলমান 1st হয়েছে। ভারত একটা secular country অতএব এখানে যোগ্য ব্যক্তিরা চাকরি পায় । কোনো ধর্ম consider করা হয় না । Islam couldn't unite muslims hence B'desh got seperated from Pakistan. Pakistan is fighting with Afghanistan and Iran. KSA is fighting with Iran and Yemen. Sunnis are fighting with Shias and Ahmedias. So it's obvious religion doesn't make a nation.
At the time partition, Muslims of India were way behind Hindu and Sikhs. In Lahore, the colleges and universities had only ten percent Muslim population. Hindus were far ahead in terms of education, business and civil service. Leading backward people is very difficult. So the common people Pakistan are ever thankful to Mr. Jinnah to fight for their rights.
@ Nasim Hassan today Muslims are settling in Europe ... do they own land, shops and other important positions in Europe.. no... similarly average Muslims who came from west didn’t own land and shops in India...obviously they were own by the original inhabitants of India and that was quite natural. Although the rulers and their functionaries were Muslims but most of the well to do inhabitants were Hindus ... the poor who could not afford to pay jazia and needed assistance from rulers accepted Islam - the very strange culture which fails to get assimilated even after 1000 years.
Why are you after Islam? Why don't you education yourselves? Why your forefathers were after Islam? Don't you know that too much 8involvement in religion brings poverty? You make Pakistan a Muslim state instead of secular state? What type of person you are?
I did much of my schooling abroad, studied British and French history at various stages during that time. From an early age, we were asked to critically evaluate various historic figures, events, kings, queens, military generals, prime ministers, etc. It did not matter if it was Napolean or Churchill, Shakespeare or Robert Burns all the facts were laid bare, their best and worst personality traits, attributes as leaders, decisions, etc were taught, nothing was hidden and every thought and every idea was open to criticism. Our family moved back to Pakistan briefly and I had the choice to either enroll in FSC or continue with my A-Levels and I decided to go for FSC for a change, mind this was back in the '90s. Obviously, there was a massive difference in the entire approach to learning, the teaching style of teachers, the course content, the class structure, etc, etc but at the end of the day Math was math, Physics was physics and Chemistry was chemistry. There was also a subject called Pak-Studies, Initially, I was quite thrilled about it but that didn't last long before it was a challenge even to stay awake in that class, the course content felt like a prescribed brainwashing manual of some sort since everything was presented in a very black and white manner, for instance, Hindus vs Muslims, India Vs Pakistan, Quaid-e-Azam vs Gandhi, Congress VS Muslim League so and so forth. I always had a feeling that this was a very distorted and dumbed-down version of quite an important history that each and every student should know but there was no additional reading, no workshops, no discussions, no critical evaluations instead we were encouraged simply to memorize everything...... luckily I left Pakistan after a year and a half and continued my education in Europe but always felt sorry for the poor kids in Pakistan who had no choice but to treat that rubbish as facts and also memorize it by heart just to pass the exams. Learning was never the priority instead it was all about rata, rata, and rata, so so sad.
Great discussion indeed. Salute to Dr Ishtiaq. Its amazing how he focused on humanity at the last part of this video, but it feels sad that he didnt elaborate the military action of 3 milion deaths on East Pakistan that time. Only this topic should have covered 10 mins at least. And its sad when he said no one knew A K Fazlul Haque. He was called SHER-e-Bangla and he single handedly fought against British Judgement system in their Court for rural poor muslims. He represented these poor souls in hundreds of cases and was super famous in Muslim League. In fact he is the who declared Pakistan in 1940, as Pakistan Resolution.
True said, me from Pakistan, and I admit, Fazal e Haq was the real leader, he already had a party. name I forgot, which won considerable seats in Bengal, in 1937,when Muslim league was nowhere in India. After much efforts he was convinced yo join AIML, and it was a triumph for league.
Young Pakistanis should watch these kinds of videos to learn more about partition and the kind of leadership Pakistan had. Salute to Prof.Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed and Mr. Abbas Haider. With love from India.
Even the most enlightened Muslim will say: "When we don't have a vision, use Islam. Now everyone will have to shut up." They fail to understand that this an integral feature of Islam. If they want growth, let "vision" reign, they need to leave Islam. Islam is designed to pull back societies to 600 CE. Afghanistan is the perfect example. All Muslim majority countries will fall to that level given enough time, unless people leave Islam.
Nice interview.. Dr. Ahmed.. Great knowledge of history.. Good learning from you.. Sir i want to ask one que.. Is it true that there was talk of building road from West Pakistan to east Pakistan through India??
Incredible discussion! We're fortunate to listen to Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed - a deeply knowledgeable and enlightened soul, and the thought-provoking questions of this talk's very capable host Mr. Abbas Haidar.
I had a question to Prof. Ishtiaq Ahmed Sir, Besides his book being published, which other authors or books would he recommend to readers that he believes to be as accurate as possible with regards to events and personalities involved in India-Pakistan relation? And also what are his own favorite books that he loved reading on any subject matter?
Yes, I know, unsolicited suggestions from me, but fwiw: (1)"Defeat is an Orphan: How Pakistan Lost the Great South Asian War" Myra MacDonald. Brilliant analysis about unintended consequences of willful short-term oriented actions and passions.(Apart from sharp critique of Pakistan, also has some not-so-pleasant things to say about Indian army's effectiveness as well--something that Indians may find difficult to digest, lol. (2) "Tragic illusion of an Islamic State" by Tarek Fatah. This is not per se about India-Pakistan, but about historical consequence of religious statehood from early days of Islam (tbh, I think if a Hindu dares to critically think, this gives warning signs for Hindus about the Hindutva movement in India and its aftermath). I felt proud of a sub-continental person's intellectual honesty in looking at "his" people's history, something we Asians have come to expect only from Westerners.
I really enjoyed the video and I've watched the 2 others prior to this as well. Outstanding stuff! I just had one comment/disagreement. You can let me know your thoughts. The professor says that Urdu is not the language of Muslims but the language of the people. I have often heard this argument from many that "language belongs to regions not religions" and this point is largely true. Punjabi belongs to Punjab and is spoken by Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims alike. However, in the case of Urdu and Hindi, there is virtually no doubt that Urdu was the language of Muslims and Hindi was that of Hindus. What are the regions of Urdu? What are the regions of Hindi? The truth is that Urdu and Hindi belong to the exact same regions. How can two languages belong to the exact same regions?. This was a clear political difference. Of course all Indians spoke various languages but this distinction was a political-religious one. The professor mentioned Munshi Premchand for example. Premchand grew up speaking his dialect and started life more familiar with Hindi. Premchand actually learned Urdu from Muslim Maulvis. Ram Prasad Bismil and Ashfaqulla Khan grew up in the same town, yet one began life speaking Hindi and one Urdu. One more point the professor made was about bollywood being Urdu. The truth is that Bollywood is largely Urdu minus some of the highly complicated Persian and Arabic words we can hear on Pakistani news channels. However, the Urdu used in Bollywood is still different than the Hindi spoken by average folks in Uttar Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh. One more thing to understand is that very gradually, even Bollywood is shifting more towards Hindi. In the 1950s, Bollywood was very Urdu especially because all the writers and composers were Urdu-speaking Muslims. Today, many top actors and even composers are Muslim so that influence remains. However, the influence today is lower than in the past and likely will keep changing. The professor is very right that no one will watch a movie in shuddh Hindi but 30 years from now, it's possible that they will.
Urdu developed around the region of Delhi mainly developed due the interaction with Persian which was the court language and local Hindi or Khari boli at the time. In 19th, early 20th it was a cosmopolitan language and urban elites of any religion in north west India spoke it. The rural or non-elites mostly spoke local dialects such as awadhi, braj, and other local dialects. The fight between the Hindi and Urdu is political, arose in the 19th century and became religious at that time. There was essentially not much difference between Hindustani, Hindi and Urdu, but due to the religious sentiments, they diverged with one facing Arabization and the other Sanskritization and with partition this divide has become more and more pronounced. At the time though, the big difference was the script, not so much vocabulary.
@@arjitas Urdu used to be a common language of the elite class of the subcontinent according to a retired Hidu Justice of the Indian Supreme Court: Justice Merkunday, if spelled his name incorerctly. Then I apologise for it. Gradually we the muslims started using Urdu as the language od the muslims only because we tried to build the case as being a separate nation etc.
Hindi, hindawi, hindustani, rekhta, urdu these are all the names that you could give to kari boli throughout the ages. The division of hindi and urdu is a British era invention which gets excacerbated after partition. Premchand first wrote in urdu and then switched to hindu for the practical reasons that there was lesser competition.
Actually islamization in pakistan and hindi belt was done by turks afghan and mougle so there language was adopted by losser but in bengali and Indonesia it was local ruler who propogated religion so language was not change actually up bihari punjab and sindhi people were heavly opperessed by fourier muslims and islam as practice by master was adopted by them with there culture and partially with there language called as urdy
@@71espn But the point being made is that Premchand's original language he grew up with was not Urdu. He mastered Urdu and began writing literature because it was the preferred literary language early on in those days but he learned it from Muslims. It wasn't actually his own dialect he learned from his mother.
@f178403 Adil Aziz BJP hasn't proved two nation theory correct. Rise of fundamentalist Hindu is a brief aberration that Indians are going to correct in long term. BJP is going to change itself very soon. The politics of hate has shown diminished results in electoral politics in few last elections.
Nehru and other Congress men were more farsightedness than scholars of today. They accepted the division of India and among other reasons , one which I endorse is, that they wanted a buffer state between central asia and India, because in past , raiders from west used western borders to devastate India. Pakistan means, according to them, Muslims of Pak, will fight muslims of further west, in future and India will be safe from their raidsl
Excellent person. His knowledge mesmerized me. I got infected with history after listening to him. I must admit it's a wonderful interview. Best of wishes to the anchor.
@Ishtiaq Ahmad sir, the first responsibility of the assembly constituted in result of 1970 election is to frame a constitution for country.it was mentioned in LFO that "Within 120 days of the first meeting of the National Assembly, it would form a constitution bill and if it fails to do so, it will dissolve." In the absence of constitution was it possible to transfer power to majority party.? Mujeeb had a clear vision that constitution will be frame on the basis of 6 points. A part from Yahya's role, Kindly clarify that the difference between Bhutto & Mujeeb dissent was on the framing of constitution or on transfer of power ? I think if Bhutto was agreed on the points, which Mujeeb wants for the framing of constitution, though Bhutto was blamed for treachery, isn't .. ? Obviously, Gen. Yahya wanted delay in constitution framing process and was playing his cards for the continuation of his dictatorship.
What an impartial description of the history, which is in interest of Pakistan and India as well. People of Pakistan may get rid of disturbances and insurgencies prevailing in Pakistan, if they listen honestly, Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed.
Thanks Sir ..! One thing you say is that Bangladesh does a good job by producing less kids. If Pakistan and Bangladesh talks about population control, it’s considered a wise decision but if India wants to bring laws to control excess population, they will be considered as non secular. This is just one example and we feel unfair as an Indian. I know doc you do have a fair view and yet love your country and religion. Hope we are also allowed to think same way.
The reason Hindi film songs had Urdu words was because most song writers were Muslims. This is not true anymore. As a matter fact today most Indian cannot read or speak Urdu. Listen to Shailendra composed songs. It is pure Hindi and beautiful.
Muhammad Ali zinnah did right thing, we can see it condition of indian Muslim. The thing is after him there ware no such leader who understand the unity of Muslim Pakistan.
@@Whitefogfly obviously due to religion. A country can't be do religion religion from morning to night. In 1950 thousands of ahmedis were killed in Pakistan in name of religion .in 1950-60 their army killed million's of Hindu in east Bengal. From 1980 to 2020 they killed 10000 shias in Pakistan. In hand of terrorist thousands of Pakistani got killed in name of Islam 🙂 so? Its the religion thats killing Pakistan
@@parisforward1742 if united clash could be more, nothing happened without reason brother, it doesn't happen in one day. It's true unity is power but we human can't be united due to our characteristics. We can not come under 1 religion how we will be United? We just don't realize our blood skin hand feet all are same in human but how creator can be different?
But Bangladesh 🇧🇩 used to earn more export earnings.....than Pakistan 🇵🇰 😕..... Pakistan was looting Bangladesh....Bangladesh was not poor...Pakistan made it poor...
Why has India not declared hindi ,a petition was thrown out by there supreme court .jinnah never left a summary or gave us a solid constitution. Nehru inserted an article that took care of army.
Far far honest and better than Ayesha Jalal. At least establishing reasoning in the study of history. The land reform question. Only real political meaning of Pakistan for common Muslims or working class.
There is many Hindi song and movie and TV serial like Mahabharata and ramayan and there is song "chanchal sa badan chanchal chitwan dheere se Tera ye muskana muje dosh na Dena jag walo Ho jau agar me diwana "
Actually we did not recognise Bangal as pRt of our country Pakistan We treated them as second rated citizens even The Awami leage secured clear cut majority in general elections But Military rulers did not allow them to participate in National Assembly session Consequently they decided to say by by to Islamabad General TIKKa KHan Martial law Administrator and Governer of East palistan in his address on Radio announced " his words we need Bengal Not Bengali " The result is very clear
Dr ishtiaq please answer my questions as to why all muslims from india didn't go to pakistan. Doesn't it mean that the purpose if creating Pakistan has failed
Islam of Pakistan and Napak Army failed & defeated and surrender against Islam of Bengali and Bangladesh in 1971. Bangladesh is a historical fact & reality. Its result of tragedy and unlimited injustice happened with Bengali peoples from 1947 to 1971 by west Pakistan. Last 75 years people of Pakistan living in lie and denial and conspiracy mentality. Hope Pakistani people will take a lesson from Bangladesh and Bengalis that how to save and protect own people , Culture, Language & Tradition and hard work for bright future of Bangladesh.. Pakistan as a country has no culture to apologies because 75 years passed but they did not apologies to east Pakistan now Bangladesh for the tragedy and unlimited injustice happened with Bengali peoples from 1947 to 1971 by west Pakistan now Pakistan;;
Thanks you for bringing us this great episod. Someday kindly have a programm on revisiting the mindset of Muslim Leaders in United India who opposed partion. Their reason and logic and to what extent they were right or wrong in their opinion, with a special focus on Maulana Azad. Also It will be really kind if someday you can have a discussion on how an amicable relationship between India -Pakistan can benefit both Nation. Both programs preferably with Professor Istiaq Ahmed. 😇🙏
کمال کا انٹرویو ہے اور جو باتیں یہاں تاریخ سے اوجھل کردی گئیں وہ بھی سامنے آ گئی ہیں تاریخ میں کوئی مقدس نہیں ہوتا.... اینکر کی تیاری بھی خوب لگ رہی ہے اور کراس کوسچنگ کے نام پر انٹرویو کا بیڑہ غرق کرنے سے بچائے رکھا...
Kiya Angraiz East Pakistan Ko Alaida aour West Pakistan Ko Alaida Mulk Bana Gaya Tha? Agar Nhien Tu Kiya Angraiz Itna Ahmaq Tha Keh East aour West Ko Milakar Pakistan Bana Diya. Such Kiya Hay Dr Ishtiaque Samjhaien. Jinnah Khud GG aour Liqat Ali Wazir Azam Bun Gaiy. Yeh Kaisay Mumkin Tha Keh East Pakistan Ko West Pakistan Say Jor Diya Gay.
Wonder how Bengali could have been justified as Pakistan's national language? Urdu was a product of History of a thousand years of Muslim Rule and it was widely understood while its Persian alphabet was also more justifiable than the (Bengali) script of Sanskrit.
I am happy Pakistan is separate and I do not have to spend time persuading backward thinkers tied to a static religion. But having said the United India would have not been a Hindu Rashtra as Muslims were more than 30% not including Dalits and other smaller religions. Jinnah played the Muslims for his ego, but it is great for Hindus that we really do not need to worry that much about Muslims.
pakistan mein log her jagah bethay batein ker rahay hotay hein angrez nay apnay zati mufad kay liay hindustan ko tora aour tabah hamein ker dia from pakistan
U could not have built Islamabad without exploitation of East Pakistan (Bangal). In history Barrister Jinnah will be most hated person. Just wait for another 25 years. U
I subscribe your channel because of your content..plz make video why people in pakistan always insert we r musalman , kuran etc. Plz make videos on history books those are taught from class 6 to class 12 in government schools ..i think this ideology come from pakistan education system.
Dr sb seems apologetic and a bit confused , wd due respect to his views. I found my argument on his half hearted comments on Mr Jinnah. For example, he replies to question of title of QA fr Mr Jinnah in a sham style by affirming it. I dnt understand his logic of winning a separate land fr Muslims that the latter rejoiced on . In fact, Muslims are suffering at their brethern here. Then i also fail to comprehend as to why the anchor has not touched the book by late Wali khan...Facts are facts. I m stating this on the ground that late Khan has already deliberated on it in a more convincing way than this Dr sb. I would humbly recommend to Mr Abbas to go thru Wali baba book. Regards
I was pissed at first when I saw the title then I decided to watch the complete video which surprisingly changed my view. I noticed this professor mentioned a key point at 26:46 and if and only if that proposal came into reality then events like the language movement or our liberation war in 1971 wouldn't have occurred nor would have people died as they died in 1971 nor we wouldn't have had any grudge against Pakistan/Pakistanis but it was inevitable I guess. Some of us might forgive you guys for what your country did to our fellow countrymen but people like me or who study history especially our liberation war will never forget what your people did to our ancestors, never ever. ব্রিটিশরাও করেছিলো এরাও একদিন ফল পাবে আর যারা এখনো ধর্ম এর দোহাই দিয়ে পাকিস্তানকে ভালোবাসা তাদের জন্য আফসোস ধর্মের খেলা এখনো বুঝলা না!
My question, to you, Mr Abbas Haidar, is forget about Mohammad Ali Jinnah, but first let us, who you are? I have tried to find something about you, but nothing, absolutely nothing. In your statement, you asked the professor, was Jinnah cooperating with the British. If you do not know this, Then you do not know the subject and care less about the truth. You should read these speeches made by Jinnah at the floor of the assemblies and in public meetings and you will discover that he was against British all the way, but he was a constitutional lawyer and always remained within the framework of law. Please let your listeners and viewers know, where did he cooperate with the British, unless it was in the national interest. Please do not promote untrue statements, which are false. Please let me know if I'm wrong, and I would apologise. You can contact me at akrammalik@iinet.net.au
It's 2020 and given the establishment's policies against mainstream parties of Baluchistan, Sindh and even punjab, by installing #SelectedPM Imran Khan, conditions are becoming ripe for something similar to 1971.
ENDORSING THAT DUE TO ZINNA MUSHLIMS GOT PROPERTY OF HINDUS DEMONSTRATE PROF I AHMED S LOW GRADE MENTALITY HE PRAISES NEHRU BUT DON'T WISH THAT JAHIL ZINNA SHOULD BE LIKE HIM
"Hinduon se nijaat" Prof Ishtiaq Ahmed, you have revealed your petty mindedness by supporting Jinnah for this contribution. How can a "scholar" sitting in the west support this pathetic view. I don't accept you as a secular person and a scholar
Shame on you Mr. Abbas Hyder and Dr. Ishtiaque for degrading and defaming our father of nation Quaid e Azam . We are proud of our country Pakistan and Our father of nation.
Abbas Haider I watched the third part of the four-part interview you did with me. I honestly think the way you have organized and structured the interview is outstanding. Readers can now examine each aspect of the Partition, Jinnah and the Muslim League. Your competence as a journalist and intellectual is amply demonstrated and I got abundant opportunity to take us different issues and bring forth my findings. I hope this series gets very wide attention because before the book is published it is the most comprehensive discussion on what I have presented in my book. I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Sir please clear my point that sir syed ahmed was pro britisher?
@@muhammadhasnat7400 if ever there was anyone completely pro-British and nothing else it was Sir Syed.
@@Billumian47 Sir, do you see another partition of India for Muslims as seen 2-3 new states by Jinnah saab? As India is going from secularism towards Hindu state.
Thanks & Regards.
I don't think you mean it seriously or rather this sounds like wishful thinking. Why can't you see that the first partition has been a disaster and it was the Muslim leadership which brought about that catastrophe. Another partition based on religion!!!!! It is an absurd idea.
Sir I have watched ur interviews with Arvind Saran it was great
I love the interviews with Prof.Dr.Ishtiaq Ahmed.
They reveal a lot of untold truth.
Thank you Abbas Haidar.
By the way I am an NRI Hindu living in UK and to me and my friends it does not matter to what religion an Indian belongs to: Hindu, Muslim, Christian or any other religion.I visit mother India every year as I love my homeland the most- as Prof.Dr. indicates " connection with the Earth you are born"!
Like to see more of these programmes.
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Dr. Ishtiaq Sahib I am so grateful for your straight forward thinking (and Abbas Haidar for a great interview). Yes, we have to look back at history to form an opinion of our own. I remember my parents and grandparents talking stories about their homes they left. They had such love for the places they lost. As kids we never took their emotional attachments seriously, but as I grew old, and now live in a foreign country I can understand their pain and sense of loss for their ancestral homes in Eastern Punjab and Bihar.
Important thing is how many Pakistanis are watching ... Especially Pakistani youngsters.. that need a correct perspective of history..
Agree bro but good thing is that they are discussing atleast...but how about us Indians... have we evere discuss sensitive issues...
Great and lucid analysis. It is sad to see that so much in our history has been deliberately distorted and propagandized.
@@ariflove_dreamz yes we have always #iLoveBJs
No body really Cares about History
Me from Pak. Now a sizeable community is listening to such voices and absorbing it. We migrated from east Punjab and now calculate the pros and cons of div.
Very genuine and sober
Abbas Saheb, the inevitable conclusion one reaches is that
1. Pakistan was creation of the British designed for serving their strategic and geopolitical interests.
2. Then as was said at those times, Muslim League was not more than a toady party and whatever struggle it apparently did was nothing more than a design to lend credence to the movement being genuine.
3. Then the logical corollary regarding quaid e Azam is that he was fielded by the British and also made into a great leader on purpose.
What is your take. Please share.
Very true
On the third point:
Jinnah was not a fake leader, but a real leader, like Hitler. He was evil, a fake, a self centered person, arrogant, classist, fake Muslim, fake Sunni, liar, whatever.... but a real leader. He could use Islam to fan violence in many parts of India, created a sense of false-superiority in many Indian Muslims, create a mass movement out of them, make them vote for his party and all this needed real leadership skills. People died for him and killed for him.
In a different scenario, he would have been jailed and sent to gallows for sedition or invoking riots, but then British loved him as he perfectly served their purpose at the time. He was the tool by which they could continue to keep a hold on the subcontinent.
Muslims League was a toady party, but Jinnah's presidential messaging with use of religion, just like Modi's now, allowed them to get significant Muslim vote despite an intellectually and socially weak base.
The problem of Pakistan is if they start questioning, and revisiting the old decisions, ultimately, the two nation theory will become questionable, and hence the foundation of Pakistan will become shaky, people will become wise with passing time and starting rejecting the wrong decisions of founding fathers of Pakistan. This is too much, keep the pandora box of falsehood closed.
Nothing gonna happen.
The people don't really care about past. But it's Good to Discuss the History that we could learn Something from it.
I think that these founding myths should not be perturbed, every country needs a foundation !
The worst thing about muslim League is that in the beginning they used to talk about the rights of muslims in minority provinces, but later on they settled themselves in majority provinces, this hurts me as i am a muslim of minority province, thats why i have more respect for Maulana Azad than Jinnah.
Good question, all Muslim rights over the whole Indian peninsula were ransomed for the sake of what were already Muslim majority areas.
Brother did you really feel that your rights is being suppressed by majority in your region?
Did you really feel that you are being suppressed by majority in your region?
@@vickyvicky2734 population of Muslims in india is more than 20 crore, around 15%, but member of parliament are only 4%, And you see that BJP, the world's largest party, didn't gave a single ticket to muslim in UP and Bihar, Although Muslims are almost 20% in both the states..i hope i answered your question
Mohsin Rauf the main reason is muslim only vote acc to RELIGION not as a citizen ! In delhi muslim cndiadre won by 2 lakh votes while education minister won by 2.5 k votes
Salam , love and respect from new Delhi.🇮🇳❤️
Thank you very much to both. Great discussion and thought provoking ending remarks
Another thought provoking matter is that why you people made Pakistan a Muslim state and not a secular state.
I like Prof. Ishtiaq Ahmed. I want to know more about him and his family ancestry etc (if not intruding) and his whole biography. Is it possible to have one? Could you ask Ishtiaq Sir to write a biography of his own for his fans and admirers.? Thank you.
He has given in interview with Pakistan Experience.
pakistan kuch nai tha...muslim zamindaro ko apni jamin chahaye thi aur angrezo ko india ka division karna tha,
"Dharti se ajib ishq hota hein", what a line that was. wherever we are, Bangladesh Pakistan or India, we're dividing ourselves on some clueless weird but actual and cruel facts. Once british mislead us, then some rubbish politicians like Yahya and some other west Pakistani stupid leaders did that filthy thing. Otherwise it was possible for both Bangladesh and Pakistan to stay together. Now It's time to only regret.
We are showering too much praise on Mr Ishtiaq. His books are more like those written by columnists.
I wonder where have the pakistani historians gone to? Maybe they have taken leave of their subject (History).
I am sure one-day they would rebut Mr Ishtiaq's findings, especially the findings relating to the period of 1927 to 1947 and 1948 to 1958.
It appear his views of Jinnah are not well-reachered.
@@AliAsghar-xy2uf I'm from Bangladesh, Don't know that much about Ishtiaq; just watched this particular episode and some arguments seemed remarkable to me, that's it
Pakistani daily rant about Bangladesh getting parted. But they never know the angst of Hindus about the loss of Punjab, Sindh,Baluchistan,Phakthonistan and east Bengal
GAUTAMA BUDDHA SAID: THE SUN ☀️ THE MOON 🌙 AND THE TRUTH 👍CANNOT BE HIDDEN FOR EVER 🎉
बहुत अच्छी और निष्पक्ष बात। वैसे एक बात कहना चाहूंगा कि चाहे मोदी आ जाए या कोई और पर भारत के मुस्लिम सुरक्षित थे, हैं और रहेंगे क्यूंकि हमारे यहां सब भारतीय हैं और एक एक मुसलमान की ज़िंदगी के लिए हम अपनी जान की बाजी लगा देंगे। बाकी आपको हिंदुस्तान से ढेर सारा प्यार ❤️❤️❤️
Like always. This is good addition
Love it ❤❤❤
But one thing, had Yahya wanted to give power to Sheikh Mujib, Zulfiqar Bhutto could have done nothing.
Religion doesn't make a nation.
In B'desh coin impression a boy and a girl with a book in their hands is there whereas in Pakistani coin impression of a mosque is there. This is the difference between B'desh and Pakistan.
বাংলাদেশের জণগণের মতামতে সংবিধান রচিত হয়েছিলো ১৯৭২ এ?
এই সংবিধানে সেকুলারিজম অনুসারে হয়েছিলো।
Religion is the important thing for a nation
@@imtiazahammedsabbir8211 Pakistan was created based on religion ( 2 nation theory ). Now you see what's the condition of Pakistan. It's on the verge of disintegration. Balochistan wants seperation, FATA wants seperation, Sindhudesh wants seperation . Sunnis are driving out Ahmedias and Shias. Then Borelvis will drive out Deobandis.
@@dipakdasgupta2527 বিচ্ছিন্নতাবাদ আন্দোলন ভারতেই কিন্তু তীব্রভাবে হচ্ছে। সেভেন সিস্টারস, খালিস্তান।ভারতে ১৪ কোটি দলিত সম্প্রদায় আছে, যারা মৌলিক অধিকার গুলো পযন্ত
পায়না(তারা হিন্দু ধমের).মুসলিমদের কি অবস্থা সেটা ভালো করে জানেন।তারপর ও কেন আপনারা স্বীকার করেন না দ্বিজাতিতত্ত্ব ঠিক ছিলো? বাংলাদেশে
হিন্দুরা কতো শান্তিতে আছে, দেশের সবধরনের চাকরিতে তাদের জয়জয়কার। গতকাল একটা সারভেতে দেখলাম ৪৪২ জন হিন্দু সচিব।চিন্তা করেন আপানারা যাদের পক্ষে সাফাই গান ওই দেশ থেকেও শান্তিতে আছেন।(কোন জাতপাতের চিন্তা করতে হয়না)।পাকিস্তানকে অনেক ষড়যন্ত্রের ফেস করতে হয়।সাবকন্টিনেটের মোসলমানরা এখন সবকিছু বুঝে,তাদেরকে অতীতের মতো ব্রেইনওয়াশ করা যাবেনা!তবে একটা বিষয় খুবই খারাপ লাগে, ভারতীয় মুসলমানরা এতো অবিচার সত্বেও তারা দেশ উন্নয়নে অবদান রাখে,অন্যদিকে বাংলাদেশের অধিকাংশ হিন্দুরা এতো শান্তিতে থাকার পরও ইন্ডিয়ার পক্ষে কথা বলে, দেশদ্রোহী কাজ করে।
@@imtiazahammedsabbir8211 ভারত একটি গণতান্ত্রিক এবং secular রাষ্ট্র এবং ১৩৫ কোটি জনসংখ্যা। এখানে বিভিন্ন জাতির বিভিন্ন দাবি দাওয়া থাকতেই পারে সেটা কোনো বিছিন্নতাবাদি আন্দোলন নয়। ভারতে বাংলাদেশের থেকে বেশি মুসলমান বাস করে এবং তারা কোনোদিন ভারত ছেড়ে যাবে না। ১৯৪৭ সালে ভারতে মুসলমান ছিলো ১০% আর এখন সেই সংখ্যা ২০% এর উপরে। বাংলাদেশ থেকে এখনো হিন্দু উদ্বাস্তুরা ভারতে আসে । বাংলাদেশে ১৯৪৭ সালে ২৩% এর মত হিন্দু ছিলো আর এছন সেই সংখ্যা ১০% এর মত। কিছু দিন আগে কুমিল্লা এবং চট্টগ্রামে হিন্দু উৎখাত হয়েছে। ভারতে তিনজন মুসলমান রাষ্ট্রপতি ছিলো এবং তিনজন মুসলমান supreme court এর প্রধান বিচারপতি ছিলো। এখানকার মুসলমানরা লেখা পড়া একটু কম শেখে তাই সরকারিতে একটু কম আছে । যারা লেখা পড়া শেখে তারা competitive exam দিয়ে ভালো চাকরি পায়। গতবছর এবং এবছর IAS এ দু'জন মুসলমান 1st হয়েছে। ভারত একটা secular country অতএব এখানে যোগ্য ব্যক্তিরা চাকরি পায় । কোনো ধর্ম consider করা হয় না । Islam couldn't unite muslims hence B'desh got seperated from Pakistan. Pakistan is fighting with Afghanistan and Iran. KSA is fighting with Iran and Yemen. Sunnis are fighting with Shias and Ahmedias. So it's obvious religion doesn't make a nation.
Great service dear bro Abbas Haider ...
At the time partition, Muslims of India were way behind Hindu and Sikhs. In Lahore, the colleges and universities had only ten percent Muslim population. Hindus were far ahead in terms of education, business and civil service. Leading backward people is very difficult. So the common people Pakistan are ever thankful to Mr. Jinnah to fight for their rights.
Nehru ne mullo ko India se nhi nikala .. Secular banne ke chakkar me. .. Snakes ko paal liya humne
Things haven't changed. Even today if you take the whole of South Asia population, Hindus & Sikhs are ahead of muslims in every field.
@ Nasim Hassan today Muslims are settling in Europe ... do they own land, shops and other important positions in Europe.. no... similarly average Muslims who came from west didn’t own land and shops in India...obviously they were own by the original inhabitants of India and that was quite natural. Although the rulers and their functionaries were Muslims but most of the well to do inhabitants were Hindus ... the poor who could not afford to pay jazia and needed assistance from rulers accepted Islam - the very strange culture which fails to get assimilated even after 1000 years.
Loved ur comment
Why are you after Islam? Why don't you education yourselves? Why your forefathers were after Islam? Don't you know that too much 8involvement in religion brings poverty? You make Pakistan a Muslim state instead of secular state? What type of person you are?
I did much of my schooling abroad, studied British and French history at various stages during that time. From an early age, we were asked to critically evaluate various historic figures, events, kings, queens, military generals, prime ministers, etc. It did not matter if it was Napolean or Churchill, Shakespeare or Robert Burns all the facts were laid bare, their best and worst personality traits, attributes as leaders, decisions, etc were taught, nothing was hidden and every thought and every idea was open to criticism. Our family moved back to Pakistan briefly and I had the choice to either enroll in FSC or continue with my A-Levels and I decided to go for FSC for a change, mind this was back in the '90s. Obviously, there was a massive difference in the entire approach to learning, the teaching style of teachers, the course content, the class structure, etc, etc but at the end of the day Math was math, Physics was physics and Chemistry was chemistry. There was also a subject called Pak-Studies, Initially, I was quite thrilled about it but that didn't last long before it was a challenge even to stay awake in that class, the course content felt like a prescribed brainwashing manual of some sort since everything was presented in a very black and white manner, for instance, Hindus vs Muslims, India Vs Pakistan, Quaid-e-Azam vs Gandhi, Congress VS Muslim League so and so forth. I always had a feeling that this was a very distorted and dumbed-down version of quite an important history that each and every student should know but there was no additional reading, no workshops, no discussions, no critical evaluations instead we were encouraged simply to memorize everything...... luckily I left Pakistan after a year and a half and continued my education in Europe but always felt sorry for the poor kids in Pakistan who had no choice but to treat that rubbish as facts and also memorize it by heart just to pass the exams.
Learning was never the priority instead it was all about rata, rata, and rata, so so sad.
You looks like a educated guy from a good family. Leave Islam to think rational. Islam is also like the pak studies that you have described
Great discussion indeed. Salute to Dr Ishtiaq.
Its amazing how he focused on humanity at the last part of this video, but it feels sad that he didnt elaborate the military action of 3 milion deaths on East Pakistan that time. Only this topic should have covered 10 mins at least.
And its sad when he said no one knew A K Fazlul Haque. He was called SHER-e-Bangla and he single handedly fought against British Judgement system in their Court for rural poor muslims. He represented these poor souls in hundreds of cases and was super famous in Muslim League. In fact he is the who declared Pakistan in 1940, as Pakistan Resolution.
True said, me from Pakistan, and I admit, Fazal e Haq was the real leader, he already had a party. name I forgot, which won considerable seats in Bengal, in 1937,when Muslim league was nowhere in India. After much efforts he was convinced yo join AIML, and it was a triumph for league.
Young Pakistanis should watch these kinds of videos to learn more about partition and the kind of leadership Pakistan had. Salute to Prof.Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed and Mr. Abbas Haider. With love from India.
Near about three hundred poet and writer in awadh darbar were Hindu who wrote in Urdu
Even the most enlightened Muslim will say: "When we don't have a vision, use Islam. Now everyone will have to shut up."
They fail to understand that this an integral feature of Islam. If they want growth, let "vision" reign, they need to leave Islam. Islam is designed to pull back societies to 600 CE. Afghanistan is the perfect example. All Muslim majority countries will fall to that level given enough time, unless people leave Islam.
Nice interview.. Dr. Ahmed.. Great knowledge of history.. Good learning from you.. Sir i want to ask one que.. Is it true that there was talk of building road from West Pakistan to east Pakistan through India??
Yes, it was an absurd demand of Jinnah.
@@Billumian47 Thank you sir for the reply..
Incredible discussion! We're fortunate to listen to Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed - a deeply knowledgeable and enlightened soul, and the thought-provoking questions of this talk's very capable host Mr. Abbas Haidar.
Sure Abbas! I have subscribed. Always stand for and spread the truth! May GOD smile on you, and keep you safe!
I had a question to Prof. Ishtiaq Ahmed Sir, Besides his book being published, which other authors or books would he recommend to readers that he believes to be as accurate as possible with regards to events and personalities involved in India-Pakistan relation? And also what are his own favorite books that he loved reading on any subject matter?
Yes, I know, unsolicited suggestions from me, but fwiw:
(1)"Defeat is an Orphan: How Pakistan Lost the Great South Asian War"
Myra MacDonald.
Brilliant analysis about unintended consequences of willful short-term oriented actions and passions.(Apart from sharp critique of Pakistan, also has some not-so-pleasant things to say about Indian army's effectiveness as well--something that Indians may find difficult to digest, lol.
(2) "Tragic illusion of an Islamic State" by Tarek Fatah. This is not per se about India-Pakistan, but about historical consequence of religious statehood from early days of Islam (tbh, I think if a Hindu dares to critically think, this gives warning signs for Hindus about the Hindutva movement in India and its aftermath). I felt proud of a sub-continental person's intellectual honesty in looking at "his" people's history, something we Asians have come to expect only from Westerners.
First stop ✋ watching Pakistani fake news spewed by the Faujis 😂
outstanding interview probably the best man to hear on pakistan affairs along with najm sethi on you tube
Another masterpiece..!
Dr Ishtiaq sb talks very balanced.
Nice use of the intro music of MCOOM international law series
Kindly do interview of Mr. Atif Mian on economy correction and basic flaws in current approach.
Gandhi aur Nehru ne ne india ke sath kaise gaddari ki isko bhi batayenge...
I really enjoyed the video and I've watched the 2 others prior to this as well. Outstanding stuff!
I just had one comment/disagreement. You can let me know your thoughts. The professor says that Urdu is not the language of Muslims but the language of the people. I have often heard this argument from many that "language belongs to regions not religions" and this point is largely true. Punjabi belongs to Punjab and is spoken by Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims alike. However, in the case of Urdu and Hindi, there is virtually no doubt that Urdu was the language of Muslims and Hindi was that of Hindus.
What are the regions of Urdu? What are the regions of Hindi? The truth is that Urdu and Hindi belong to the exact same regions. How can two languages belong to the exact same regions?. This was a clear political difference. Of course all Indians spoke various languages but this distinction was a political-religious one.
The professor mentioned Munshi Premchand for example. Premchand grew up speaking his dialect and started life more familiar with Hindi. Premchand actually learned Urdu from Muslim Maulvis. Ram Prasad Bismil and Ashfaqulla Khan grew up in the same town, yet one began life speaking Hindi and one Urdu.
One more point the professor made was about bollywood being Urdu. The truth is that Bollywood is largely Urdu minus some of the highly complicated Persian and Arabic words we can hear on Pakistani news channels. However, the Urdu used in Bollywood is still different than the Hindi spoken by average folks in Uttar Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh. One more thing to understand is that very gradually, even Bollywood is shifting more towards Hindi. In the 1950s, Bollywood was very Urdu especially because all the writers and composers were Urdu-speaking Muslims. Today, many top actors and even composers are Muslim so that influence remains. However, the influence today is lower than in the past and likely will keep changing. The professor is very right that no one will watch a movie in shuddh Hindi but 30 years from now, it's possible that they will.
Urdu developed around the region of Delhi mainly developed due the interaction with Persian which was the court language and local Hindi or Khari boli at the time. In 19th, early 20th it was a cosmopolitan language and urban elites of any religion in north west India spoke it. The rural or non-elites mostly spoke local dialects such as awadhi, braj, and other local dialects. The fight between the Hindi and Urdu is political, arose in the 19th century and became religious at that time. There was essentially not much difference between Hindustani, Hindi and Urdu, but due to the religious sentiments, they diverged with one facing Arabization and the other Sanskritization and with partition this divide has become more and more pronounced. At the time though, the big difference was the script, not so much vocabulary.
@@arjitas Urdu used to be a common language of the elite class of the subcontinent according to a retired Hidu Justice of the Indian Supreme Court: Justice Merkunday, if spelled his name incorerctly. Then I apologise for it. Gradually we the muslims started using Urdu as the language od the muslims only because we tried to build the case as being a separate nation etc.
Hindi, hindawi, hindustani, rekhta, urdu these are all the names that you could give to kari boli throughout the ages. The division of hindi and urdu is a British era invention which gets excacerbated after partition. Premchand first wrote in urdu and then switched to hindu for the practical reasons that there was lesser competition.
Actually islamization in pakistan and hindi belt was done by turks afghan and mougle so there language was adopted by losser but in bengali and Indonesia it was local ruler who propogated religion so language was not change actually up bihari punjab and sindhi people were heavly opperessed by fourier muslims and islam as practice by master was adopted by them with there culture and partially with there language called as urdy
@@71espn But the point being made is that Premchand's original language he grew up with was not Urdu. He mastered Urdu and began writing literature because it was the preferred literary language early on in those days but he learned it from Muslims. It wasn't actually his own dialect he learned from his mother.
This is the time to Reunify india, pakistan and Bangladesh now as two nation theory is proved failed
@f178403 Adil Aziz BJP hasn't proved two nation theory correct. Rise of fundamentalist Hindu is a brief aberration that Indians are going to correct in long term. BJP is going to change itself very soon. The politics of hate has shown diminished results in electoral politics in few last elections.
Nehru and other Congress men were more farsightedness than scholars of today. They accepted the division of India and among other reasons , one which I endorse is, that they wanted a buffer state between central asia and India, because in past , raiders from west used western borders to devastate India. Pakistan means, according to them, Muslims of Pak, will fight muslims of further west, in future and India will be safe from their raidsl
If two nation theory could have failed then bengalis should have joined india , but the history says otherwise
"Reunify?" when were they "united?" India and "Hinduism" are by-products of British rule.
Ali Zaidi hahaha we dont any nor pak neither bangladesh ! Both nation can live happliy and we are happy as it
Amazing job Abbas Haider and Professor Ishtiaq Ahmed 👍👍👍
@@AbbasHaidar kush raho ❤
Excellent person. His knowledge mesmerized me. I got infected with history after listening to him. I must admit it's a wonderful interview. Best of wishes to the anchor.
Truth must prevail.
زبردست
Tremendous Prof. Saab
@Ishtiaq Ahmad sir, the first responsibility of the assembly constituted in result of 1970 election is to frame a constitution for country.it was mentioned in LFO that "Within 120 days of the first meeting of the National Assembly, it would form a constitution bill and if it fails to do so, it will dissolve." In the absence of constitution was it possible to transfer power to majority party.? Mujeeb had a clear vision that constitution will be frame on the basis of 6 points. A part from Yahya's role, Kindly clarify that the difference between Bhutto & Mujeeb dissent was on the framing of constitution or on transfer of power ? I think if Bhutto was agreed on the points, which Mujeeb wants for the framing of constitution, though Bhutto was blamed for treachery, isn't .. ?
Obviously, Gen. Yahya wanted delay in constitution framing process and was playing his cards for the continuation of his dictatorship.
@@tausifhassan445 but still after 9 months they got a new currency :$
I have listened lums archive of partition recorded by Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed and it is must listen for Indians and Pakistanis
What an impartial description of the history, which is in interest of Pakistan and India as well. People of Pakistan may get rid of disturbances and insurgencies prevailing in Pakistan, if they listen honestly, Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed.
Jinnah Saab was not what everyone thinks he was.
Thanks Sir ..! One thing you say is that Bangladesh does a good job by producing less kids. If Pakistan and Bangladesh talks about population control, it’s considered a wise decision but if India wants to bring laws to control excess population, they will be considered as non secular. This is just one example and we feel unfair as an Indian.
I know doc you do have a fair view and yet love your country and religion. Hope we are also allowed to think same way.
The reason Hindi film songs had Urdu words was because most song writers were Muslims. This is not true anymore. As a matter fact today most Indian cannot read or speak Urdu. Listen to Shailendra composed songs. It is pure Hindi and beautiful.
عباس صاحب آپ سے درخواست ہے کہ ممکن
ہو تو سندھ سے ایاز لطیف پلیجو کو اپنے پروگرام میں دعوت دیں.
بنیاد سے ہی ہم بگڑے ہوئے ہیں
The only logical mind until now to talking about the real Pakistan
Bhai mere hinduo k blood me democracy or secularism suru h pr there is Islam or kuran where is no democracy no human rights
Muhammad Ali zinnah did right thing, we can see it condition of indian Muslim. The thing is after him there ware no such leader who understand the unity of Muslim Pakistan.
Indian Muslims are living in way better condition than Pakistan
@@parisforward1742 the issue Pakistan facing to settle is, political stability from its birth. Not religious issue.
@@Whitefogfly obviously due to religion. A country can't be do religion religion from morning to night. In 1950 thousands of ahmedis were killed in Pakistan in name of religion .in 1950-60 their army killed million's of Hindu in east Bengal. From 1980 to 2020 they killed 10000 shias in Pakistan. In hand of terrorist thousands of Pakistani got killed in name of Islam 🙂 so? Its the religion thats killing Pakistan
@@parisforward1742 if united clash could be more, nothing happened without reason brother, it doesn't happen in one day. It's true unity is power but we human can't be united due to our characteristics. We can not come under 1 religion how we will be United?
We just don't realize our blood skin hand feet all are same in human but how creator can be different?
@@Whitefogfly if in India, USA, UK people can remain united and mostly peacefully then why not in Pakistan?
Singapore has four national languages Chinese, Tamil, Malay and English
But Bangladesh 🇧🇩 used to earn more export earnings.....than Pakistan 🇵🇰 😕..... Pakistan was looting Bangladesh....Bangladesh was not poor...Pakistan made it poor...
Why has India not declared hindi ,a petition was thrown out by there supreme court .jinnah never left a summary or gave us a solid constitution. Nehru inserted an article that took care of army.
One of my Favourite writers.
Great job Abbas sir and thanks to Dr sab💥❤
Far far honest and better than Ayesha Jalal. At least establishing reasoning in the study of history. The land reform question. Only real political meaning of Pakistan for common Muslims or working class.
There is many Hindi song and movie and TV serial like Mahabharata and ramayan and there is song "chanchal sa badan chanchal chitwan dheere se Tera ye muskana muje dosh na Dena jag walo Ho jau agar me diwana "
Actually we did not recognise Bangal as pRt of our country Pakistan
We treated them as second rated citizens even The Awami leage secured clear cut majority in general elections
But Military rulers did not allow them to participate in National Assembly session
Consequently they decided to say by by to Islamabad
General TIKKa KHan Martial law Administrator and Governer of East palistan in his address on Radio announced " his words we need Bengal
Not Bengali "
The result is very clear
Bcz our intentions were not good, since partition. We are hypocrate, live in a self centre superiority..
Dr ishtiaq please answer my questions as to why all muslims from india didn't go to pakistan. Doesn't it mean that the purpose if creating Pakistan has failed
@@tausifhassan445 I think you have been brainwashed by your army.
i wish to include some of its chapters in national curriculum..
@@AbbasHaidar i have subscribed your channel 😊
Islam of Pakistan and Napak Army failed & defeated and surrender against Islam of Bengali and Bangladesh in 1971. Bangladesh is a historical fact & reality. Its result of tragedy and unlimited injustice happened with Bengali peoples from 1947 to 1971 by west Pakistan. Last 75 years people of Pakistan living in lie and denial and conspiracy mentality. Hope Pakistani people will take a lesson from Bangladesh and Bengalis that how to save and protect own people , Culture, Language & Tradition and hard work for bright future of Bangladesh..
Pakistan as a country has no culture to apologies because 75 years passed but they did not apologies to east Pakistan now Bangladesh for the tragedy and unlimited injustice happened with Bengali peoples from 1947 to 1971 by west Pakistan now Pakistan;;
Great
Thanks you for bringing us this great episod. Someday kindly have a programm on revisiting the mindset of Muslim Leaders in United India who opposed partion. Their reason and logic and to what extent they were right or wrong in their opinion, with a special focus on Maulana Azad.
Also It will be really kind if someday you can have a discussion on how an amicable relationship between India -Pakistan can benefit both Nation.
Both programs preferably with Professor Istiaq Ahmed. 😇🙏
کمال کا انٹرویو ہے اور جو باتیں یہاں تاریخ سے اوجھل کردی گئیں وہ بھی سامنے آ گئی ہیں تاریخ میں کوئی مقدس نہیں ہوتا.... اینکر کی تیاری بھی خوب لگ رہی ہے اور کراس کوسچنگ کے نام پر انٹرویو کا بیڑہ غرق کرنے سے بچائے رکھا...
Pakistani must know the real history .
ایل ایف او 1970 کے آرٹیکل 22 سے 24 تک پڑھیں۔وہ انتخابات آئین سازی کے لئے تھے۔
Abbas it was not Quetta Cadet College, it was Infantry School Quetta where he might have been Instructor!
Sir we respect to you
Kiya Angraiz East Pakistan Ko Alaida aour West Pakistan Ko Alaida Mulk Bana Gaya Tha? Agar Nhien Tu Kiya Angraiz Itna Ahmaq Tha Keh East aour West Ko Milakar Pakistan Bana Diya. Such Kiya Hay Dr Ishtiaque Samjhaien. Jinnah Khud GG aour Liqat Ali Wazir Azam Bun Gaiy. Yeh Kaisay Mumkin Tha Keh East Pakistan Ko West Pakistan Say Jor Diya Gay.
Wonder how Bengali could have been justified as Pakistan's national language? Urdu was a product of History of a thousand years of Muslim Rule and it was widely understood while its Persian alphabet was also more justifiable than the (Bengali) script of Sanskrit.
Bengalis wanted Bengali as national language along with Urdu.Not rejecting Urdu.
ڈاکٹر رفیق افضل صاحب
You are great sir
Whatever bro. Call me crazy but Feels good to live in an independent country and not under Hindu Rashtra.
Hindu rastra much Better and prosperous than Islamic shithole.
I am happy Pakistan is separate and I do not have to spend time persuading backward thinkers tied to a static religion. But having said the United India would have not been a Hindu Rashtra as Muslims were more than 30% not including Dalits and other smaller religions. Jinnah played the Muslims for his ego, but it is great for Hindus that we really do not need to worry that much about Muslims.
@@sonusonu-qv4op hindu rashtra ni banega bhai secular country hai India wohi rehna do
@@mayankindian3750 are jab hindu rastra jaisa kuch hoga tab to banega but islamic rastra hota hai jaha code of umer lagta hai minority per padh lo
@@rohanmishra2672 ate dekho bhai islamic rashtra bhi badlenge bhai ye bhi secular honge aaj ni to kal dekh lena
پروفیسر صاحب پنجابی ہونے کی وجہ سے ،اور فوج سے ڈر کر آدھا سچ بولتے بولتے ہیں.
Abbas haider : interview sir on "role of quaid e azam and pakistan for kashmir"
ډیر زبردسته
pakistan mein log her jagah bethay batein ker rahay hotay hein angrez nay apnay zati mufad kay liay hindustan ko tora aour tabah hamein ker dia from pakistan
U could not have built Islamabad without exploitation of East Pakistan (Bangal). In history Barrister Jinnah will be most hated person. Just wait for another 25 years. U
Great history
I subscribe your channel because of your content..plz make video why people in pakistan always insert we r musalman , kuran etc. Plz make videos on history books those are taught from class 6 to class 12 in government schools ..i think this ideology come from pakistan education system.
ڈاکٹر اشتیاق احمد بے پاکستان کی تاریخ کا بہت اچھا مطالعہ کیا ہے
प्रोफेसर ईशाक अहमद साहब समय निकल जाने पर सलाह देने का क्या फायदा हिन्दुस्तान-पाकिस्तान एक देश यूरोपियन बनने ही नही देगे।
Dr sb seems apologetic and a bit confused , wd due respect to his views. I found my argument on his half hearted comments on Mr Jinnah. For example, he replies to question of title of QA fr Mr Jinnah in a sham style by affirming it. I dnt understand his logic of winning a separate land fr Muslims that the latter rejoiced on . In fact, Muslims are suffering at their brethern here. Then i also fail to comprehend as to why the anchor has not touched the book by late Wali khan...Facts are facts. I m stating this on the ground that late Khan has already deliberated on it in a more convincing way than this Dr sb. I would humbly recommend to Mr Abbas to go thru Wali baba book. Regards
Pleas add English text
I was pissed at first when I saw the title then I decided to watch the complete video which surprisingly changed my view. I noticed this professor mentioned a key point at 26:46 and if and only if that proposal came into reality then events like the language movement or our liberation war in 1971 wouldn't have occurred nor would have people died as they died in 1971 nor we wouldn't have had any grudge against Pakistan/Pakistanis but it was inevitable I guess. Some of us might forgive you guys for what your country did to our fellow countrymen but people like me or who study history especially our liberation war will never forget what your people did to our ancestors, never ever.
ব্রিটিশরাও করেছিলো এরাও একদিন ফল পাবে আর যারা এখনো ধর্ম এর দোহাই দিয়ে পাকিস্তানকে ভালোবাসা তাদের জন্য আফসোস ধর্মের খেলা এখনো বুঝলা না!
جناح کے بارے سچ بتایا جائے گا تب پاکستان پر اللہ کی رحمت ھو گی پہلے نھی
Ishtiaque you are fool indian agent US never want to break pak whodid you get your PhD degree
My question, to you, Mr Abbas Haidar, is forget about Mohammad Ali Jinnah, but first let us, who you are? I have tried to find something about you, but nothing, absolutely nothing. In your statement, you asked the professor, was Jinnah cooperating with the British. If you do not know this, Then you do not know the subject and care less about the truth. You should read these speeches made by Jinnah at the floor of the assemblies and in public meetings and you will discover that he was against British all the way, but he was a constitutional lawyer and always remained within the framework of law. Please let your listeners and viewers know, where did he cooperate with the British, unless it was in the national interest. Please do not promote untrue statements, which are false. Please let me know if I'm wrong, and I would apologise. You can contact me at akrammalik@iinet.net.au
یحی خان کا ایل ایف او کیا تھا۔وہ انتخابات صرف آئین سازی کے لئے تھے۔
اردو غلاموں کی زبان تھی۔اور ہندی کا چربہ تھا۔اردو،اور ہندی کے درمیان کوئی فرق نہی تھا۔پھر علیہدگی کی کیا ضرورت تھی
Even India and Bangladesh resolve their border issue too.
Bangladesh should join India again.
Religion Is part of History
@@studyjunkie2546 You mean Bangladesh should annex North East since it was always been part of Bengal till 1905 Bengal partition.
جی بالکل فضل الرحمان پہلی کیبنٹ وچ کلے بنگالی سن جہڑے وزیر تعلیم بنے سن۔
It's 2020 and given the establishment's policies against mainstream parties of Baluchistan, Sindh and even punjab, by installing #SelectedPM Imran Khan, conditions are becoming ripe for something similar to 1971.
its its going on since then, from before 1947...😂
Lote...party changing scenarios 😂
Even Modi is saying,what Nehru said 😂
Whom do we talk???😂 to?
ENDORSING THAT DUE TO ZINNA MUSHLIMS GOT PROPERTY OF HINDUS DEMONSTRATE PROF I AHMED S LOW GRADE MENTALITY HE PRAISES NEHRU BUT DON'T WISH THAT JAHIL ZINNA SHOULD BE LIKE HIM
ڈاکٹر اشتیاق احمد کو پاکستان کے سیاسی جماعت میں شرکت کرنا چاہتے
"Hinduon se nijaat" Prof Ishtiaq Ahmed, you have revealed your petty mindedness by supporting Jinnah for this contribution. How can a "scholar" sitting in the west support this pathetic view. I don't accept you as a secular person and a scholar
Aisa nahi kaha
Shame on you Mr. Abbas Hyder and Dr. Ishtiaque for degrading and defaming our father of nation Quaid e Azam . We are proud of our country Pakistan and Our father of nation.