Every Monday I look forward to finding out where we're going, and what year we're visiting. 🤗 Thank you for another fascinating story ripped from the pages of time! I don't know how you do it, but I'm sure glad that you do!!! Thank you BC!!!
My work schedule is such that my work week begins on Friday…I actually save my brief case episodes for Thursday night as an incentive to get ready for work
Luxury? Or scientific advances? If religion didn't keep education down for 2000 years, DNA may have been found before now. Sadly, universities were burned and scientists called satanic. Life is what it is😊
I like that his music is never overwhelming or disrespectful. There are several channels I stopped watching, because they'll play crude heavy metal etc.
I’m a lifelong resident of Virginia and I’ve never heard of this case. I know where most of the places mentioned are, so this was especially interesting to listen to. Thanks!
Very sorry for Fanny, it seems the most important men in her life failed her in every way. For the father to throw away the opportunity for a free education so he could have a live in nanny is incredibly sad. Then for her cousin who apparently slept with multiple women, but was described as having “good” character to kill her is tragic. I don’t believe for a moment the aunt had the watch chain, why would she have something that belonged to her nephew? If he had left it at her house why did he wait until the trial to say something?
I have to agree. They played a role in her death. Had she had someone to stand up for her, perhaps her mother, then Fannie probably wouldn’t have died the way she did. Shame on her father and doubly shame on her cousin. Men who don’t keep promises or treat women like objects to be thrown out after their “usefulness” is gone are horrible. They need to be educated properly in how to treat people and if that doesn’t work…well…there’s always social media.
This is such a sad case that this lady lost her life whether it suicide or murder. Thankfully in many places being unwed and pregnant isn't nearly as bad as it used to be.
Yeah, that ALWAYS gets to me too. For centuries SO MANY WOMEN (more so young girls) have faced being shunned & basically losing their entire lives & every dream they ever had bc they got pg out of wedlock. & Therefore got that large Scarlet Letter on their forehead & called all kinds of shameful names like Wh**e etc. Many of those young girls were forced into abortion, or hidden away forced to give birth in private & then the baby ripped from their screaming arms. So MUCH bad happened to them. & 1 of the things that was MOST unfair of all, it was only the women who ever suffered for this. The guys never faced any repercussions or consequences for getting them preg. (Not trying to bash guys or start a war of the sexes) just saying the ONLY ppl who suffered for these "indiscretions" were the ladies. & That's true for the ones who were forced & did not engage in ANY consensual intercourse. Just honestly glad that we've moved a little past that now!
Times have changed so much teenagers having several babies not knowing who the Father's are or their names. No Shame. No morals. Don't even know what Shame or SIN IS. BACK in the Days, young women were taken advantage of, thought they were in love , going to get married, gave into their feelings. It was hard for them. Much sympathy for them.
This was a very intriguing and yet sad case of a young pregnant single woman. The evidence definitely wasn't concrete enough for me to say if this was murder or suicide, period! May the souls of, Fannie Lillian Madison and her son, rest in eternal peace.🌹🌹Great investigating, presentation, historical information and photos, too.
Another interesting case I wasn't familiar with. You have a way of cutting through the nonsense and getting to the facts, as well as very respectful coverage of the cases.
Poor Fanny. She would have been better off being allowed to get the education she’d desired. Very sad for all involved. Thomas may or may not have done it - there wasn’t enough evidence to be conclusive either way….. Thank you BC.
This is fantastic! To have caught up on your previous videos, now to have a new one to enjoy. 🥰 Thank you, Brief Case for your continued excellence in each one you publish for our enjoyment. 😁
I really enjoy forgotten Lives which lead me to Brief Case. Its one thing to read about times in history, its another to examine someones life from that era. Its been comforting learning about the trials and tribulations that each human experience echos back to the beginning of time. Its easy to forget that many figures in history didn't realize what part their lives were playing in the grand scheme of events.
Hi Brief Case! I’m so happy to be here today. I have to confess that ever time I hear that we are going to the U.S.A. I get a bit disappointed because I live here and I’m sure the stories can’t be as exciting as they are in England or Australia… lol. Wouldn’t it be great if they did a DNA test on the baby and settled it once and for all? I’m very undecided. At first I did think it was her cousin. It actually wasn’t such a wrong thing to be involved with your cousin back in the King Henry days so maybe it wasn’t so shocking then as it was being unmarried. I now wonder if it was her father. Why was her so harsh on her? Why did he insist on her coming back? Especially if he wasn’t rich. Wouldn’t he be glad not to have another mouth to feed? Why couldn’t she write her Aunt? Something was going on that he didn’t want found out. Awesome case. I so love you Brief Case
Thank you for your efforts to tell complex tales in a succinct and non-boring way, and the illustrations chosen well to back the case you are relating. Your work is appreciated ~ Cheers ! B.
We can always depend on you to find the most intriguing stories and tell them honestly, presenting both sides. I always look forward to seeing your latest videos! Thank you so much for all you do!
I love these clearly narrated stories. I'm hard of hearing, but I don't have trouble hearing Brief Case tell these fascinating stories, most of which I've never heard of before. Thank you so much for all the hard work you put into these videos! I do so appreciate it. 😊
This was a difficult one. I'm not sure what happened. Hopefully he wasn't put to death for no reason. So much anguish came from unwed pregnancy back then. I feel lucky to not have been a woman in those days. Thank you, Mr. Case. I've once again been entertained by your storytelling. 🥰
"Jessica Fain" a lot of people would say those were the good ol' days because people took care of each other and did not stay home watching TV but were outside in the fresh air.
I personally believe that Thomas was guilty of murdering his cousin. The fact that she was pregnant, and his cousin, and that he was engaged to somebody else would've just ruined everything for him. I highly doubt that she committed suicide, why would she have waited until she was 8 months pregnant to do so? Times sure have changed since theirs and ours that's for sure, being an unwed mother these days is common and not frowned upon. I Love listening to all of these Brief Cases, thank you.
I agree, why would she endure 8 months of shameful unwed pregnancy if she cared that much. Amazing how his family rallied around the boy and here’s shunned her for trying to live a better life.
@@barbarajohnson3876 it's kind of odd that you think spreading your legs and having irresponsible sex with someone that would not marry you to raise their child, so instead having the baby ripped into pieces so that it can be pulled out of the uterus, is somehow less shameful. I'm not a staunch anti-abortionist but listening to people like you makes me realize why our society is ridiculously self absorbed and without self accountability. Maybe the stigma that this brought in the past wasn't such a bad deterrent.
I DO NOT believe this was a suicide because of how far along she was. It would've been a more cohesive suicide story had it had occurred earlier in the pregnancy.
Yesterday I started watching some of your videos as well as today. I'm absolutely hooked!! Great stories, wonderful voice and beautiful pictures!! Your videos and content are utterly enthralling and entertaining!! This New Yorker is subscribing!! Kudos to you 👏👏👍👍🌟🌟
You've brought Lillian to life in this short biography BC. Thank you. We can understand the longings of her heart, and how frustrated she would have felt after having been able to develop her mind with study, and see her world expanding, to have it brought back to narrowness, and the drudgery of farm work, limited social interactions, and parents who seemed unable to meet her basic needs for love, much like most Victorian era parents. Others could see her potential, and wanted to give her the opportunity to blossom. We can understand Lillian's attraction to her cousin, who was intelligent, intellectual, and living a life of potential. He gave her time and attention, probably had interesting things to say, and having no clue how her body worked, she became pregnant. What would a DNA test have shown that might have swayed the outcome of the court case? I'm not sure about the circumstances that led to Lillian's death....to three people's death. I can't quite decide. The placement of Lillian's unborn baby beside her in her coffin was deeply touching, and just the right thing to do.
Ms Tunstill was ahead of her times Providing a means to educate her kin. Male or female The booking of separate rooms at the same Hotel Was not a coincidence. booking of separate rooms
Maybe that is why father adamantly refused her working/having career away from home. In other words was doing that - wink - for years and wanted her around.
I was thinking her father may have gotten her pregnant and then murdered her. She could have been confiding in her cousin and he could have been advising her. Her dad was too controlling even after she was an adult. Something was wrong with that.
Such a sad story, maybe if her father would of let her continue her education and went on to do something great with her life thing would of turned out different for. This one really touched my heart.👍❤️😢😪
Wow, that one sure gave food for thought. I wonder what really truly happened... Thanks as always Brief Case. Always a fascinating and intriguing diversion to a time long past. I don't know how you research these, but I'm sure it takes a lot of work!! 🙏🖤✌️ Edit; I've now listened to this week's Case 2.5 times and it seems there's just not enough to push this beyond reasonable doubt. Idk, you've done it again BC, given me something to ponder and back and forth in my mind for days!!😂🕵️♂️😂
❤ your videos! Just found that you've been broadcasting for 3 years longer than I have been aware of you! Yea, new to me videos out there waiting on me!!🎉🎉
HATE that I missed this earlier this week. Maybe now my own luck will change! I just HAVE to have these grimmies read to me!! LOVE to All at BC & especially, to Our Narrator! ♥️💝🌸💕
Greeting, BC! Happy 1st day of February, 2023 to you! As always, excellent story. It is most good to be back in the BC kingdom! Stay safe and keep those lurid tales coming!
I have to listen to this channel in small doses cause if I listen to these back to back my mind starts playing with me and I end up not being able to sleep cause what I listened to pops in my head😂😂😂😂 these stories are very intense at times but good and thank you.
Brilliant work Brief Case, as always. Such a sad case. He should have been allowed to testify, what a ridiculous rule. As for them appearing close when they were at his father's that can be easily and innocently explained. First cousins, he known to be engaged should have meant they'd be able to talk/walk without people assuming anything but cousinly friendship. And indeed no-one brought it up until she had died. I think it likely she did kill herself. But when thinking about her pregnancy, the description of a much older man with a moustache, her sudden flight to her uncle's, and her father's constant insistence that she return to the farm, along with the bruises on her face, and having walked wearing a veil, I cannot help wondering. Not necessarily that her father killed her but whether he was the father of her child. She ran away to her uncle's, and probably didn't know she was pregnant when she left if he she was escaping abuse. One way or another I find his constant assertion that she was needed on the farm to be suspect, along with his forbidding her to write to her aunt. The case may have been a long one for the time but it would have been a hell of lot longer if I'd been in charge! I only feel certain of two things Firstly that Thomas should not have been hanged. Secondly that the judgmental and prudish nature of society at that time is what led to her death, whether it was suicide or murder.
@@annagettings4675 I also wonder if her father was the father of her unborn baby. His controlling behavior is certainly suspicious. And if the cousins were really in love, they could have married. First cousin marriage was legal and common in many US states at the time (I don't know about Virginia). I think it is strange that she would wait until so late in the pregnancy if it was suicide. She was visibly pregnant to casual passers-by, so didn't her friends or neighbors notice? I think there is a lot more to this case, and that the verdict was wrong.
@@Zaft_K I've been wondering about how far along she was too. Why wait to kill herself until she's so far along? Unless of course she had one of those rare pregnancies which don't show. The womb sort of shifts itself and hides. I actually knew someone that happened to! In which case she may only have looked as if she'd gained a little weight. But if she then realised it wasn't weight... But it seems unlikely. The first cousin thing had become a thing here in Britain too. Especially with the increased idiotic craze in eugenics (I think I've picked the right word). And although it wouldn't exactly have looked good for the cousin to break off his engagement, it wouldn't have been too unusual, and was legal for a man to do in at least most places in America. Here only the woman could break it off. Men ended up more than just socially ruined if there was proof they'd gone back on their word. I think I might actually look to see if the court documents are online. This one really bothers me for some reason. Although a time machine would be quicker if you've got one I can borrow?! I've only reacted to one other case like this, and it was one I came across before I found Brief Case. He has covered it though. Madeline Smith. I think that little Victorian minx was as guilty as hell and got away with it, but that's another story. But I really don't believe it was her cousin, and he died for nothing but the honour of another woman. Which is of course daftly heroic, sweet, and makes it all the more tragic. Do you want me to let you know if I ever find anything?
"Many people in the late 19th century had a morbid fascination with death. Some even sought out the macabre as a means of entertainment." I guess people's tastes have not changed much!
I have never been there but when reading about it it sounded a wonderful place, Richmond in the UK is lovely, situated on the banks of the River Thames and a few miles south west of central London, beautiful but very expensive.
It never ceases to amaze me that people not just in your narrations but in murder cases all over past and present will die stating their innicence when in fact they are guilty
What a sad fate for Fanny and her baby! The family's 'help' shows how preoccupied were by appearances. Thanks for the detailed relay of the whole story, excellent!
Good morning, Such a very sad case. After listening to everything I just thought to myself if her cousin killed her it was probably because she was pregnant. Then I kept thinking about how people kept saying she mentioned suicide several times so this case was pretty interesting. The fact that he insisted he was innocent was something that was playing on the back of my mind as well. Of course his family is going to defend him as well as his friends but at the end of the day they found him guilty and was punished for it. There was a lot of circumstantial evidence though that lead to him so I guess Fannie and her unborn child receive justice after all. Thank you for another great story I can’t wait until next Monday have a great week
I'm really torn on this one. It IS too bad they didn't have DNA back then. The fact that he wrote his own life story while in jail is kind of weird too. A real mystery - thank you for this!!
Ah yes, another fantastic Monday, starting with Brief Case. This one is a puzzle. I agree with the defense, all the evidence was circumstantial. Sure, he could have been guilty. He was intelligent, and possibly clever enough to get away with it. But the evidence was, at best, flimsy, and there was plenty of differing accounts from other people. It's too bad DNA hadn't been in use at the time.
He was a good man. He had everything going for him. But, he turned around had an affair with his cousin and she got pregnant. I don't think he committed murder. Someone saw two men maybe they killed her. Thomas was a good guy. He never confessed. He didn't deserve to die for his poor decision. Everyone stay safe. ✌️ BC good one 👍
I think he did it. It's just like Grace Brown/Chrster Gilette and a thousand other murders as well. A last meet-up between lovers only to have the pregnant woman found dead in the water, or on a path, or in a house. The woman thinks he's finally going to marry them, and the man knows she will die. Tragic and sad. His book was just a last ditch effort to look better. Poor Fanny.
It’s as though you were reading my mind, Shannon, because the Grace/Chester case came to mind as soon as I started listening to this story; so many similarities, and the same tragic outcome. Had Fannie been born in another era, I imagine she and her son could have lived lives of boundless possibilities, based solely on their own drive, intelligence, and character, unencumbered by the harsh judgment of the societal “norms” of the late 19th century. Given the opportunity, I’m sure Fannie would have been a wonderful mother.
You don't think that her father could have been the father of her child? Perhaps the cousin was trying to help her, but there was not much he could do. She could have committed suicide in despair.
Hi 👋 BC what a sad and tragic case,.very intriguing though , great case thank you for bringing us these case's each Monday until next Monday have a great week 😊
So sad. But I can't believe they wouldn't let the accused take the stand in his own defense. That's just not fair and really, how can we even be sure he did it or not if he wasn't allowed to speak? I was assuming he had done it up until that little bit was revealed. Now I wonder how many innocent people were railroaded because of this.
Hello again, my friend. I was painting a portrait while catching up on a few cases, since I've not been watching for a while, mostly because of research activities in my day job. I'm not convinced the guy did it, and it seems to me this was an example of certainty bias, whereby people will sometimes assert an unsafe claim in preference to accepting uncertainty. You can usually tell how determined they are for this false certainty by how angry they become if their cherished conclusion is challenged.
Every Monday I look forward to finding out where we're going, and what year we're visiting. 🤗 Thank you for another fascinating story ripped from the pages of time! I don't know how you do it, but I'm sure glad that you do!!! Thank you BC!!!
Thanks Kasey
Perfect description!🥰
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My work schedule is such that my work week begins on Friday…I actually save my brief case episodes for Thursday night as an incentive to get ready for work
This case is terribly sad, but I always look forward to monday because of Brief Case. He always tells the stories with so much empathy and respect.
Thankyou
It’s a shame they didn’t have the luxury of DNA testing back then. 🥺
They shouldn’t have needed it common sense would tell them there was not enough evidence to convict him of murder.
How many people were convicted wrongfully... And how many got away? Tragic
He asked someone for directions to the reservoir, she was found in the reservoir. He was engaged to someone else. I'd bet money he was guilty.
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Absolutely the douchebag was guilty !! 💔
Luxury? Or scientific advances? If religion didn't keep education down for 2000 years, DNA may have been found before now. Sadly, universities were burned and scientists called satanic. Life is what it is😊
What a riveting case today! The old photographs you found for this one were particularly fascinating. Loved all the old farm and school photos!
Thanks Holly
Same. 👍
I love the narrators voice in these videos. And the creepy background music, plus the research. Combined, they make great viewing. 👍
Thank you very much!
He really does have an excellent voice for this subject matter.
I like that his music is never overwhelming or disrespectful. There are several channels I stopped watching, because they'll play crude heavy metal etc.
I've been following you for the past couple of years and i have to say this one of the saddest cases you ever told us about...poor Fanny 😢
I’m a lifelong resident of Virginia and I’ve never heard of this case. I know where most of the places mentioned are, so this was especially interesting to listen to. Thanks!
Thanks for sharing
Very sorry for Fanny, it seems the most important men in her life failed her in every way. For the father to throw away the opportunity for a free education so he could have a live in nanny is incredibly sad. Then for her cousin who apparently slept with multiple women, but was described as having “good” character to kill her is tragic. I don’t believe for a moment the aunt had the watch chain, why would she have something that belonged to her nephew? If he had left it at her house why did he wait until the trial to say something?
I have to agree. They played a role in her death. Had she had someone to stand up for her, perhaps her mother, then Fannie probably wouldn’t have died the way she did. Shame on her father and doubly shame on her cousin. Men who don’t keep promises or treat women like objects to be thrown out after their “usefulness” is gone are horrible. They need to be educated properly in how to treat people and if that doesn’t work…well…there’s always social media.
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Educated to properly treat people, is not what Killers are born to do !! 🤢😨
It is not only the people of the late 19th century who had a fascination with the macabre as a source of entertainment. Hence this channel!
So true 😂
This is such a sad case that this lady lost her life whether it suicide or murder. Thankfully in many places being unwed and pregnant isn't nearly as bad as it used to be.
Yeah, that ALWAYS gets to me too. For centuries SO MANY WOMEN (more so young girls) have faced being shunned & basically losing their entire lives & every dream they ever had bc they got pg out of wedlock. & Therefore got that large Scarlet Letter on their forehead & called all kinds of shameful names like Wh**e etc. Many of those young girls were forced into abortion, or hidden away forced to give birth in private & then the baby ripped from their screaming arms. So MUCH bad happened to them. & 1 of the things that was MOST unfair of all, it was only the women who ever suffered for this. The guys never faced any repercussions or consequences for getting them preg. (Not trying to bash guys or start a war of the sexes) just saying the ONLY ppl who suffered for these "indiscretions" were the ladies. & That's true for the ones who were forced & did not engage in ANY consensual intercourse. Just honestly glad that we've moved a little past that now!
Times have changed so much teenagers having several babies not knowing who the Father's are or their names. No Shame. No morals. Don't even know what Shame or SIN IS.
BACK in the Days, young women were taken advantage of, thought they were in love , going to get married, gave into their feelings. It was hard for them. Much sympathy for them.
@@devong7124 are you serious? You are judging them - no morals etc- yet you have sympathy?
@@Wife_Mother_Failure Yes! I do have Sympathy. For all of them. Ignorance is not bliss.
@@Wife_Mother_Failure you are judging me. Aren't you special. Human too.
I really enjoy these vintage cases! More of these please!
This was a very intriguing and yet sad case of a young pregnant single woman. The evidence definitely wasn't concrete enough for me to say if this was murder or suicide, period! May the souls of, Fannie Lillian Madison and her son, rest in eternal peace.🌹🌹Great investigating, presentation, historical information and photos, too.
Brief Case never fails to please his viewers with great cases
Thankyou
Really happy to see how much your channel has grown! Soon it will be 4 year of excellent work. Thank you for your efforts B.Case
Thank you very much Elke :)
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You are very welcome B.C :)
Another interesting case I wasn't familiar with. You have a way of cutting through the nonsense and getting to the facts, as well as very respectful coverage of the cases.
Thanks for listening
Poor Fanny. She would have been better off being allowed to get the education she’d desired.
Very sad for all involved. Thomas may or may not have done it - there wasn’t enough evidence to be conclusive either way…..
Thank you BC.
Parents don't always know best. SMH
I live in Richmond and have never heard of this case. This was very well done, as I have come to expect from this channel.
Thankyou
This is fantastic! To have caught up on your previous videos, now to have a new one to enjoy. 🥰 Thank you, Brief Case for your continued excellence in each one you publish for our enjoyment. 😁
My week doesn't officially begin until I've watched the newest Brief Case video.
Thank you for another interesting, but terribly sad, historical case.
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Poor Fannie. And it’s always interesting to see cases from your home state.
I get creeped out when I stumble across a crime story from my part of NY because nothing ever happens here. Too close to home.
I really enjoy forgotten Lives which lead me to Brief Case. Its one thing to read about times in history, its another to examine someones life from that era. Its been comforting learning about the trials and tribulations that each human experience echos back to the beginning of time. Its easy to forget that many figures in history didn't realize what part their lives were playing in the grand scheme of events.
I really like the Forgotten Lives Channel :)
Hi Brief Case! I’m so happy to be here today. I have to confess that ever time I hear that we are going to the U.S.A. I get a bit disappointed because I live here and I’m sure the stories can’t be as exciting as they are in England or Australia… lol. Wouldn’t it be great if they did a DNA test on the baby and settled it once and for all? I’m very undecided. At first I did think it was her cousin. It actually wasn’t such a wrong thing to be involved with your cousin back in the King Henry days so maybe it wasn’t so shocking then as it was being unmarried. I now wonder if it was her father. Why was her so harsh on her? Why did he insist on her coming back? Especially if he wasn’t rich. Wouldn’t he be glad not to have another mouth to feed? Why couldn’t she write her Aunt? Something was going on that he didn’t want found out. Awesome case. I so love you Brief Case
I started watching obsolete oddities first then found this channel.
Thank you for your efforts to tell complex tales in a succinct and non-boring way, and the illustrations chosen well to back the case you are relating. Your work is appreciated ~ Cheers ! B.
Thankyou
You always manage to find the most fascinating cases for us.
Much appreciated ✊♥️
Thanks for watching
I'm so glad I found your channel. Great content!
Thankyou
Fascinating story. I live across the James River a mile or so from the location of this murder. I'd not heard of it before. Quite a sad situation.
My first thought was that it wasn't Thomas, but likely her father. Thanks, BC!
Now that's a twist. He would have also had a reason to get rid of her from the sound of it.
Monday morning, bright and early, coffee and Brief Case......life is good! Greetings and salutations all from Cabbagetown, Toronto.
Hi Nance, Hope all is good in wonderful Toronto :)
We can always depend on you to find the most intriguing stories and tell them honestly, presenting both sides. I always look forward to seeing your latest videos! Thank you so much for all you do!
Thankyou, I appreciate that
I love these clearly narrated stories. I'm hard of hearing, but I don't have trouble hearing Brief Case tell these fascinating stories, most of which I've never heard of before. Thank you so much for all the hard work you put into these videos! I do so appreciate it. 😊
It’s because of the clear narration. What a contrast to TV News .
Great Case! I love all of them. Keep up the wonderful work. Thank you for making the week start right with a Brief Case.
Thankyou :)
This was a difficult one. I'm not sure what happened. Hopefully he wasn't put to death for no reason. So much anguish came from unwed pregnancy back then. I feel lucky to not have been a woman in those days. Thank you, Mr. Case. I've once again been entertained by your storytelling. 🥰
"Jessica Fain" a lot of people would say those were the good ol' days because people took care of each other and did not stay home watching TV but were outside in the fresh air.
@@obscurelyvague what’s stopping you?
With Roe vs Wade overturned, it is not any better to be a woman now.
I personally believe that Thomas was guilty of murdering his cousin. The fact that she was pregnant, and his cousin, and that he was engaged to somebody else would've just ruined everything for him. I highly doubt that she committed suicide, why would she have waited until she was 8 months pregnant to do so? Times sure have changed since theirs and ours that's for sure, being an unwed mother these days is common and not frowned upon. I Love listening to all of these Brief Cases, thank you.
Sadly, red states, in amerikkka, are bringing back the shame of being unwed, and preg
@@barbarajohnson3876 Wrong, take your hate to the KKK channel
I agree, why would she endure 8 months of shameful unwed pregnancy if she cared that much. Amazing how his family rallied around the boy and here’s shunned her for trying to live a better life.
@@daisycocoa2557 Maybe the stigma of being an unwed mother got worse once the kid was born!
@@barbarajohnson3876 it's kind of odd that you think spreading your legs and having irresponsible sex with someone that would not marry you to raise their child, so instead having the baby ripped into pieces so that it can be pulled out of the uterus, is somehow less shameful. I'm not a staunch anti-abortionist but listening to people like you makes me realize why our society is ridiculously self absorbed and without self accountability. Maybe the stigma that this brought in the past wasn't such a bad deterrent.
Thank you for all your hard work, I really appreciate your channel.
Thank you so much that is so nice of you to comment
After this draining weekend's death events for Mom, I look forward to hearing from Brief Case and the historical news that he has chosen.
Last week must have been very difficult, my sincerest condolences for you at this time, take care - BC
Im so sorry for your loss
@@BriefCaseOfficial Thank you so much.
@@CrystalBbyUSA Thank you, Crystal.
Good morning!! So good to hear your voice
Good morning!
A true highlight in life these videos. Quality channel!!!!!!!!
Thanks Wayne
I DO NOT believe this was a suicide because of how far along she was. It would've been a more cohesive suicide story had it had occurred earlier in the pregnancy.
In the end the only man the witnesses saw around her is and was him her cousin
Yesterday I started watching some of your videos as well as today. I'm absolutely hooked!! Great stories, wonderful voice and beautiful pictures!! Your videos and content are utterly enthralling and entertaining!! This New Yorker is subscribing!! Kudos to you 👏👏👍👍🌟🌟
Excellent, as always, BC. Thanks very much.
You've brought Lillian to life in this short biography BC.
Thank you.
We can understand the longings of her heart, and how frustrated she would have felt after having been able to develop her mind with study, and see her world expanding, to have it brought back to narrowness, and the drudgery of farm work, limited social interactions, and parents who seemed unable to meet her basic needs for love, much like most Victorian era parents.
Others could see her potential, and wanted to give her the opportunity to blossom.
We can understand Lillian's attraction to her cousin, who was intelligent, intellectual, and living a life of potential. He gave her time and attention, probably had interesting things to say, and having no clue how her body worked, she became pregnant.
What would a DNA test have shown that might have swayed the outcome of the court case?
I'm not sure about the circumstances that led to Lillian's death....to three people's death. I can't quite decide.
The placement of Lillian's unborn baby beside her in her coffin was deeply touching, and just the right thing to do.
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Another brilliant case so sad thank you
You tell them so well
Thanks for listening
Nice, I can drink my coffee and listen to tragedy.
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Thank you for this story Briefcase!
Ms Tunstill was ahead of her times
Providing a means to educate her kin.
Male or female
The booking of separate rooms at the same Hotel
Was not a coincidence.
booking of separate rooms
Maybe she just made her bed in the morning? Or went out with another man overnight?
If there was an older man he, I believe, was her father which would make her upbringing even more dark. Good case, BC. Narration impeccable as usual.
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I doubt that father ever left the farm.
Maybe that is why father adamantly refused her working/having career away from home. In other words was doing that - wink - for years and wanted her around.
I was thinking her father may have gotten her pregnant and then murdered her. She could have been confiding in her cousin and he could have been advising her. Her dad was too controlling even after she was an adult. Something was wrong with that.
And did they question her parents after her death? I don’t recall them being mentioned in the story after she died.
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Such a sad story, maybe if her father would of let her continue her education and went on to do something great with her life thing would of turned out different for. This one really touched my heart.👍❤️😢😪
Yeah. It’s a shame that happened.
Just goes to show, parents don't always know best.
My heart aches for Fanny. She deserved to have known life as an educated woman.
Wow, that one sure gave food for thought. I wonder what really truly happened...
Thanks as always Brief Case. Always a fascinating and intriguing diversion to a time long past. I don't know how you research these, but I'm sure it takes a lot of work!! 🙏🖤✌️
Edit; I've now listened to this week's Case 2.5 times and it seems there's just not enough to push this beyond reasonable doubt. Idk, you've done it again BC, given me something to ponder and back and forth in my mind for days!!😂🕵️♂️😂
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@@BriefCaseOfficial I'm on listen through #3!! I just can't decide!🕵️♂️🙏🕵️♂️
Great case BC. Thanks for doing what you do.
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Thanks for another historical crime case from Brief case. Greetings from Mexico.
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HATE that I missed this earlier this week. Maybe now my own luck will change! I just HAVE to have these grimmies read to me!! LOVE to All at BC & especially, to Our Narrator! ♥️💝🌸💕
Another Great Story!
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Greeting, BC! Happy 1st day of February, 2023 to you!
As always, excellent story. It is most good to be back in the BC kingdom!
Stay safe and keep those lurid tales coming!
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always fantastically done, sir
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Great video as always!
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I have to listen to this channel in small doses cause if I listen to these back to back my mind starts playing with me and I end up not being able to sleep cause what I listened to pops in my head😂😂😂😂 these stories are very intense at times but good and thank you.
You need to be able to sleep, so I appreciate you listening to the videos when you can :)
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What a sad case. Great work.
Brilliant work Brief Case, as always. Such a sad case. He should have been allowed to testify, what a ridiculous rule. As for them appearing close when they were at his father's that can be easily and innocently explained. First cousins, he known to be engaged should have meant they'd be able to talk/walk without people assuming anything but cousinly friendship. And indeed no-one brought it up until she had died. I think it likely she did kill herself.
But when thinking about her pregnancy, the description of a much older man with a moustache, her sudden flight to her uncle's, and her father's constant insistence that she return to the farm, along with the bruises on her face, and having walked wearing a veil, I cannot help wondering. Not necessarily that her father killed her but whether he was the father of her child. She ran away to her uncle's, and probably didn't know she was pregnant when she left if he she was escaping abuse. One way or another I find his constant assertion that she was needed on the farm to be suspect, along with his forbidding her to write to her aunt. The case may have been a long one for the time but it would have been a hell of lot longer if I'd been in charge!
I only feel certain of two things Firstly that Thomas should not have been hanged. Secondly that the judgmental and prudish nature of society at that time is what led to her death, whether it was suicide or murder.
I'd add a third thing: if we assume that Thomas was innocent, the judgmental and prudish nature of the society at that time also led to his death.
@@resourcedragon Good point and very true.
Well thought out! 👍🏻 Agreed.
@@annagettings4675 I also wonder if her father was the father of her unborn baby. His controlling behavior is certainly suspicious. And if the cousins were really in love, they could have married. First cousin marriage was legal and common in many US states at the time (I don't know about Virginia). I think it is strange that she would wait until so late in the pregnancy if it was suicide. She was visibly pregnant to casual passers-by, so didn't her friends or neighbors notice? I think there is a lot more to this case, and that the verdict was wrong.
@@Zaft_K I've been wondering about how far along she was too. Why wait to kill herself until she's so far along? Unless of course she had one of those rare pregnancies which don't show. The womb sort of shifts itself and hides. I actually knew someone that happened to! In which case she may only have looked as if she'd gained a little weight. But if she then realised it wasn't weight... But it seems unlikely.
The first cousin thing had become a thing here in Britain too. Especially with the increased idiotic craze in eugenics (I think I've picked the right word). And although it wouldn't exactly have looked good for the cousin to break off his engagement, it wouldn't have been too unusual, and was legal for a man to do in at least most places in America. Here only the woman could break it off. Men ended up more than just socially ruined if there was proof they'd gone back on their word.
I think I might actually look to see if the court documents are online. This one really bothers me for some reason. Although a time machine would be quicker if you've got one I can borrow?! I've only reacted to one other case like this, and it was one I came across before I found Brief Case. He has covered it though. Madeline Smith. I think that little Victorian minx was as guilty as hell and got away with it, but that's another story. But I really don't believe it was her cousin, and he died for nothing but the honour of another woman. Which is of course daftly heroic, sweet, and makes it all the more tragic. Do you want me to let you know if I ever find anything?
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So excited. Life long Virginia resident. Heard the story and know the places. Thank you.
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another great case! thank you.
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Wonderful job presenting a very tragic story.
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Awesome upload BC. Thank you for this interesting and historical case. It's a very tragic outcome for an obvious lady with psychological issues.
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Lillian's father was the ultimate villain in this story.
"Many people in the late 19th century had a morbid fascination with death. Some even sought out the macabre as a means of entertainment." I guess people's tastes have not changed much!
Maybe not, hope all is good in Italia :)
What a sad case, I thought it would have been the uncle or her father who killed her, weird. Thanks BC for another awesome story. ❤
I didn’t think about the uncle. I’m not convinced it was her cousin. And without hard proof he should have never been sentenced to death.
@Nikki Namikaze-Uchiha-Hatake I thought of that too. Sad case
What a tragedy. Thank Goodness for DNA. Thanks, as always, Briefcase. X
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I grew up in Richmond, VA! Thanks so much for covering this one!
I have never been there but when reading about it it sounded a wonderful place, Richmond in the UK is lovely, situated on the banks of the River Thames and a few miles south west of central London, beautiful but very expensive.
It never ceases to amaze me that people not just in your narrations but in murder cases all over past and present will die stating their innicence when in fact they are guilty
Good morning from Black Diamond Alberta, sad case ...poor Fanny and child.
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I really think this case is a lot of hearsay so sad for fanny and Thomas, just because your friends doesn’t mean anything is going on , so sad 😭
Always a tale told with finesse. Sad story this time, as true with most tales of crime. Thank you for sharing this story.
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Fascinating BC, another one bites the dust. Absolutely keep at it.🍁😎🇨🇦
What a sad fate for Fanny and her baby! The family's 'help' shows how preoccupied were by appearances. Thanks for the detailed relay of the whole story, excellent!
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Such a very sad case. After listening to everything I just thought to myself if her cousin killed her it was probably because she was pregnant. Then I kept thinking about how people kept saying she mentioned suicide several times so this case was pretty interesting.
The fact that he insisted he was innocent was something that was playing on the back of my mind as well. Of course his family is going to defend him as well as his friends but at the end of the day they found him guilty and was punished for it.
There was a lot of circumstantial evidence though that lead to him so I guess Fannie and her unborn child receive justice after all.
Thank you for another great story I can’t wait until next Monday have a great week
I'm really torn on this one. It IS too bad they didn't have DNA back then. The fact that he wrote his own life story while in jail is kind of weird too. A real mystery - thank you for this!!
Yeah but he never offered up information as to whom the father of his dear cousins baby was?
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As always Brife case sensational job tragic story but fascinating at the same time keep up the great job my friend
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This one is a puzzle. I agree with the defense, all the evidence was circumstantial. Sure, he could have been guilty. He was intelligent, and possibly clever enough to get away with it. But the evidence was, at best, flimsy, and there was plenty of differing accounts from other people. It's too bad DNA hadn't been in use at the time.
Hmmmmmm sad story 😔thanks sir amazing job GOD bless you all the best 👍🏻👌🏻👍🏻❤️❤️❤️
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He was a good man. He had everything going for him. But, he turned around had an affair with his cousin and she got pregnant. I don't think he committed murder. Someone saw two men maybe they killed her. Thomas was a good guy. He never confessed. He didn't deserve to die for his poor decision. Everyone stay safe. ✌️ BC good one 👍
I think he did it. It's just like Grace Brown/Chrster Gilette and a thousand other murders as well. A last meet-up between lovers only to have the pregnant woman found dead in the water, or on a path, or in a house. The woman thinks he's finally going to marry them, and the man knows she will die. Tragic and sad. His book was just a last ditch effort to look better. Poor Fanny.
It’s as though you were reading my mind, Shannon, because the Grace/Chester case came to mind as soon as I started listening to this story; so many similarities, and the same tragic outcome. Had Fannie been born in another era, I imagine she and her son could have lived lives of boundless possibilities, based solely on their own drive, intelligence, and character, unencumbered by the harsh judgment of the societal “norms” of the late 19th century. Given the opportunity, I’m sure Fannie would have been a wonderful mother.
You don't think that her father could have been the father of her child? Perhaps the cousin was trying to help her, but there was not much he could do. She could have committed suicide in despair.
@@janetpendlebury6808that's an interesting theory and one that is quite plausible!
Evil. And selfish.
@@janetpendlebury6808 There's no evidence of that.
I love the older cases. The older, the BETTER!
I have always been fascinated with the older cases
Hi 👋 BC what a sad and tragic case,.very intriguing though , great case thank you for bringing us these case's each Monday until next Monday have a great week 😊
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So sad. But I can't believe they wouldn't let the accused take the stand in his own defense. That's just not fair and really, how can we even be sure he did it or not if he wasn't allowed to speak? I was assuming he had done it up until that little bit was revealed. Now I wonder how many innocent people were railroaded because of this.
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That is so sad, without any real evidence this young man lost his life, it’s a pity the young lady he was protecting didn’t come forward to save him 😢
She couldn’t . . . he had killed her!
If she did exist, it's possible he just used it as an excuse for not being able to produce an alibi.
There was more than enough circumstantial evidence which can & has been used to convict criminals.
Hello again, my friend. I was painting a portrait while catching up on a few cases, since I've not been watching for a while, mostly because of research activities in my day job. I'm not convinced the guy did it, and it seems to me this was an example of certainty bias, whereby people will sometimes assert an unsafe claim in preference to accepting uncertainty.
You can usually tell how determined they are for this false certainty by how angry they become if their cherished conclusion is challenged.