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  • Опубликовано: 15 ноя 2024
  • The conversation around the suspended DA member of parliament continues after a 16-year old video of him inciting racist remarks using the 'K' and 'N' words went viral. Executive Director of IRR Legal Gabriel Crouse weighs in.
    Tune into Newzroom Afrika DStv channel 405 for more.

Комментарии • 652

  • @bafana308
    @bafana308 4 месяца назад +77

    If what he did is similar to what Malema did, then Malema went to court to defend himself for that. likewise, he must also go there to defend himself as well.🤔

    • @vicetsebeth2187
      @vicetsebeth2187 4 месяца назад +4

      True, but he will not get a fair trial...

    • @yvonnememela918
      @yvonnememela918 4 месяца назад +7

      Absolutely. Let the courts decide.

    • @hlamzar
      @hlamzar 4 месяца назад +2

      Notice how the courts made a bad judgment when it's Malema because context doesn't matter when it's him😂 but he was trying to make Gous racism justifiable

    • @zoeanastasia4438
      @zoeanastasia4438 4 месяца назад +3

      ​@@vicetsebeth2187Oh please.

    • @zerog1037
      @zerog1037 4 месяца назад +2

      He didn't do wht malema did.
      He was satiring wht malema did to make a point tht the song is racist

  • @rthare1
    @rthare1 4 месяца назад +6

    Ha Ha Gabriel shut that tirade rant right down with 3 words. 'Everyone's feelings matter" Sooo cool man.

    • @margaretlesoleso
      @margaretlesoleso 4 месяца назад

      Not mine especially on trivial matters like these😱

  • @yvonnememela918
    @yvonnememela918 4 месяца назад +42

    The interviewer was really triggered by this guy.

    • @gerrald5272
      @gerrald5272 4 месяца назад

      White should just leave Africa period.

    • @tiromakhudu3817
      @tiromakhudu3817 4 месяца назад

      she was misled by the name of the institute and expected a measured response. not a whitesplanation of how it was semantic to say ka***** or Nig***** and neither here nor there as if the comparison couldn't be made without simply saying black people.
      in fact, the man says that it was a matter of intellectual honesty that the words be used be used the K and N words are, by his reasoning, equal in this context and should not be substative to the analysis of this "rhetorical comparison."

  • @thatomogale9803
    @thatomogale9803 4 месяца назад +30

    Context? In what context is what Renaldo said justified? Fine, Malema has been charged many times for that song, so Renaldo should be punished as well right? And why are we deflecting? Playing the "what about" game? We need to have honest conversations about race and who it really effects and has effected on a larger scale.

    • @margaretlesoleso
      @margaretlesoleso 4 месяца назад

      Affected, how and when😱. What are you going to teach your children that the k word is degrading?. Surely, this insane😊. And besides, this word doesn't appear anywhere in the dictionary. Besides it's anybodys choice how it feels to be called ka--r.. Don't speak for me trying to make your feelings as "a one size fits all" type of a feeling ☹️☹️

    • @thatomogale9803
      @thatomogale9803 4 месяца назад

      ​@@margaretlesoleso A word so vile, you can't even type it in full? It is meant to degrade black people, and has no other meaning. If you're not offended by it, congratulations here's your medal 🥇. But the vast majority does and we make decisions based on the majority. And WHAT? It doesn't appear in the dictionary? So that makes it okay? And it does exist, try this magical thing called Google, or get back to your meds and give your grandson his phone back.

    • @Hannodb1961
      @Hannodb1961 4 месяца назад +4

      How about if he was saying that line to demonstrate _exactly why_ that is an unacceptable thing to say? Context does matter.

    • @isipilenyembezi541
      @isipilenyembezi541 4 месяца назад

      Racism will never end in this country. You walk in a place a people who don't look like you clutch their handbags. What is that?

    • @samanthaholm9634
      @samanthaholm9634 4 месяца назад +3

      Malema was not charged. According to the court saying 'k1ll the boer' is fine it was a freedom song even though it is directed towards a people and the words incite violence. We all know it is ridiculous to believe any different and is disgusting.

  • @Knaaigher
    @Knaaigher 4 месяца назад +88

    How is this guy working at the Institute of Race Relations with such an embarrasingly poor understanding of race in South Africa? Disgusting.

    • @truth-Hurts375
      @truth-Hurts375 4 месяца назад +1

      Feel free to tell us what makes you such an expert in this field ....
      Dom Doos !!!!

    • @nickwidmer9044
      @nickwidmer9044 4 месяца назад

      The "Institute of Race Relations" is a joke. They're a bunch of geriatric white liberals and that weirdo 'Big Daddy Liberty'.

    • @Knaaigher
      @Knaaigher 4 месяца назад +23

      @@truth-Hurts375 I'm sorry for giving you the wrong idea here this was not for you. My comment was clearly directed toward people with sense.

    • @chrisnaude2929
      @chrisnaude2929 4 месяца назад

      Are you listening to what is being said?

    • @thabangaugustinehlalele
      @thabangaugustinehlalele 4 месяца назад

      He is white do you know how many white work in that farce of an institution? 😂😂😂😂

  • @samanthaholm9634
    @samanthaholm9634 4 месяца назад +5

    Naledi just flippantly says 'kill the boer' how hurtful. Has she no shame? She perfectly express's the double standard and is disgusting she said that aloud. It hurt my feelings.

  • @Zandim.m
    @Zandim.m 4 месяца назад +53

    Naledi asks a very specific question that says "Can you actively say that the feelings of black people when they hear the K word do not matter because of the context of the conversation in which it was used. His response is so callously casual and he says "Everyone's feelings matter". This reminds me of the way in which racist white people in America started the trend of saying "all lives matter" in response to the slogan "black lives matter". This is the disgusting attitude that all racists have whenever an issue is raised pertaining to an attack on black people.
    The fact that this guy works for the IRR is actually very telling of what the IRR stands for. Goes to show that what an institution stands for is not really found on its mission and vision statement, but it is found in the people who represent it.

    • @MarkHutchinson-ry9sz
      @MarkHutchinson-ry9sz 4 месяца назад +3

      Stop playing the card.

    • @sisandamatomela3272
      @sisandamatomela3272 4 месяца назад

      What's new !! The fact that we have to sit here and listen to white people whitesplaining racism to us and gaslighting us about it induces a gag reflex :-(

    • @mvelotshabalala2462
      @mvelotshabalala2462 4 месяца назад +3

      ​@@MarkHutchinson-ry9szWhich card?

    • @Nick-po8sf
      @Nick-po8sf 4 месяца назад +1

      I'm not sure if it's fair to equate "everyone's feelings matter" with being racist. I definitely think it was inappropriate for him to start going into his own experiences with the EFF etc. It came off as though he was sympathetic to Gouws.

    • @MarkHutchinson-ry9sz
      @MarkHutchinson-ry9sz 4 месяца назад +1

      Race card

  • @afroisme5750
    @afroisme5750 4 месяца назад +7

    ...the host doesn't know this guy is racist; which he presents in a subtle way. Unfortunately the host is not a good interviewer...

  • @JeremyPage-s4g
    @JeremyPage-s4g 4 месяца назад +51

    The fact that this guy is a DA MP is disturbing to say the least.

    • @Tinker8531
      @Tinker8531 4 месяца назад +7

      DA said Coloured peopel have no merit that's why there is so few in Parliament but racists have Merit. Coloureds take note please.

    • @zoeanastasia4438
      @zoeanastasia4438 4 месяца назад +3

      Not really. This is their brand.

    • @pablocharlie
      @pablocharlie 4 месяца назад +1

      @@Tinker8531Calm down kid he’s being suspended meanwhile all your banana parties like EFF keep criminals close and do nothing

    • @truth-Hurts375
      @truth-Hurts375 4 месяца назад

      Correct....and now the White Domkoppe are doing their best to shift the Blame to Malema...
      What a joke !!!!

    • @margaretlesoleso
      @margaretlesoleso 4 месяца назад

      You worry too much about something so little little

  • @frederickhamman7725
    @frederickhamman7725 4 месяца назад +1

    This guy knows his stuff… he makes perfect sense. He is very bright and fair in his comments.

  • @moonchild7033
    @moonchild7033 4 месяца назад +3

    Well said Gabriel. We have to work together, all races, for the good of the country!

    • @maryanndiamond1690
      @maryanndiamond1690 4 месяца назад +1

      Before we can do that, please give my piece of wealth, privilege and land.

  • @Tinker8531
    @Tinker8531 4 месяца назад +19

    RENALDO CAMPAIGNED ON GAYTON'S PAST, WHY SHOULD HIS PAST NOT COME INTO THE FRAY.

    • @helenduplessis4166
      @helenduplessis4166 4 месяца назад +2

      True. That said, have folks watched the entire clip? And understand that Gouws was trying to draw comparisons between the use of songs and words? He wasn't actually calling anyone anything. He was simply making a point.

    • @siphelele87
      @siphelele87 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@@helenduplessis4166who are the K word and n word he was referring to exactly than?

    • @samanthaholm9634
      @samanthaholm9634 4 месяца назад +1

      It was a comparison of how hurtful and destructive words are that Malema said and if in the same token the k word and n word was said it would also be very destructive and hurtful. Both should be illegal. It was a comparative It was not directed at anybody specifically It was an emotional rant that tried to show how equally hurtful it is. But racist words of violence with intent toward boers is legally fine but the other way around not.

    • @siphelele87
      @siphelele87 4 месяца назад +1

      @@samanthaholm9634 a racist emotional rant,we can agree on that. K word and N word in whatever context is racist,as both words come from a vile historical context and for Renaldo to feel privileged enough to willy nilly use those words is disgusting.
      FYI dubul ' ubhunu is an anti apartheid struggle song ,and the high court has ruled it is not hate speech,the song should be viewed in it's historical context, as an anti apartheid struggle song.

    • @munhumutema8970
      @munhumutema8970 4 месяца назад

      @@samanthaholm9634 let me get this right then. The word "Boer" is a racial slur that black people came up with to denote the inferiority of white people?

  • @SgtScud
    @SgtScud 4 месяца назад +1

    This reported wasnt ready for the truth and facts! well done Gabriel

  • @mthokocele6374
    @mthokocele6374 4 месяца назад +2

    Black people should stop asking white people to be apologetic about racism, they simply are not. take it or leave it.

  • @107182253
    @107182253 4 месяца назад +7

    This guy's understanding of what racism is, is very shallow.

    • @jvanvuuren8461
      @jvanvuuren8461 4 месяца назад +1

      And you have exceptional understanding? When is your book due?

  • @lovelife4u
    @lovelife4u 4 месяца назад +26

    They're really not going to label this guy racist😂

  • @lanas.6234
    @lanas.6234 4 месяца назад +5

    Well said Gabriel.

  • @MzikaifaniShadreck
    @MzikaifaniShadreck 4 месяца назад +3

    I struggled finding out what this k-word was all about until I googled it. 😂😂 I have listened to modern Afrikaner people using this word several times here in Botswana post apartheid era. The word is often used when they are agitated, in a heated debate, when they lose their cool and running out of explanations. Afrikaner people never want to lose a debate against a black person no matter how silly their point of view is.

  • @shafiyaalgiquadra1105
    @shafiyaalgiquadra1105 4 месяца назад +40

    The Institute of Rigid Racists is right to defend their culture.

    • @MrsLekker
      @MrsLekker 4 месяца назад

      Coming from a racist like you tells you everything about our country

    • @Truthseeker-iz3dj
      @Truthseeker-iz3dj 4 месяца назад +1

      They let Malema off the hook.

    • @margaretlesoleso
      @margaretlesoleso 4 месяца назад

      So what?

    • @MthimkhuluD
      @MthimkhuluD 4 месяца назад +2

      Having a white man discussing racism and being in some position of power is insane. I’d love to challenge this man

    • @SonOfTheSoil834
      @SonOfTheSoil834 4 месяца назад

      What do we expect thou🤷🏾‍♂️

  • @jazzytza5514
    @jazzytza5514 4 месяца назад +2

    Gouws is one of his people, this people always have and always will defend each other.

  • @aishahdiedericks8051
    @aishahdiedericks8051 4 месяца назад +1

    He's literally sipping tea/coffee while she's expressing herself

  • @tiromakhudu3817
    @tiromakhudu3817 4 месяца назад +4

    It's when he said the K-word is "taboo." It's an interesting glimpse into the world of thinking

    • @helenduplessis4166
      @helenduplessis4166 4 месяца назад

      What would you say the word is if not taboo?

    • @tashansofwa2426
      @tashansofwa2426 4 месяца назад +2

      @@helenduplessis4166 it is a racist word

    • @tiromakhudu3817
      @tiromakhudu3817 4 месяца назад

      @@helenduplessis4166 let's define taboo according to the Cambridge dictionary shall we? - a subject, word, or action that is avoided for religious or social reasons
      taboo does not begin to describe this word. this is the word shouted at us before violence on our bodies. this is the word shouted at us when we were dispossessed of land. this is the word shouted at us today to dehumanise
      it might be merely a taboo to you. for us, it is an experience, its humiliation. its live. its when people look at you and without knowing a thing about you, conclude that you are lower than filth, barely human and undeserving of the same rights and opportunities bestowed by the accident of all our births.

  • @afroqueerlens
    @afroqueerlens 4 месяца назад +12

    Saying most black people did not if experienced racism in the past 5 years is so stupid considering most come from black townships and many are unemployed which impacts how frequently they interact. Why didn't you press him on this obvious matter? Where even is the data and methodology in question? What kind of journalism is this?

    • @shafiyaalgiquadra1105
      @shafiyaalgiquadra1105 4 месяца назад +1

      Journalism in SA where pushback can get you fired by the very people you are trying to push back against.

    • @zerog1037
      @zerog1037 4 месяца назад

      Huh lol
      Being unemployed isn't a product of present day racism existing 😂

  • @Anya-b5s
    @Anya-b5s 4 месяца назад +16

    The Institute of Rigid Racists should give Gouws a job then. To try to argue that Gouws isn’t a racist is irrational and deplorable.

  • @Tuminkie
    @Tuminkie 4 месяца назад +2

    After watching the whole video this guy is going to win this case

    • @markriordan9010
      @markriordan9010 4 месяца назад

      I hope they use this as a case to shut down, once and for all, and firstly, Julius "Jelly Tot" Malema. If "Kill the Boer" is to be seen "in context", then other expressions and utterances must also be seen in context. By the way, the short video was edited, Gouws NEVER called for the killing of Blacks, as Malema did for Whites...

  • @Tinker8531
    @Tinker8531 4 месяца назад +7

    YES THE COURT RULED WRONG IN MALEMA'S CASE. THE JUDGES WERE RULING WITH THEIR EMOTIONS AND NOT THEIR COMMON SENSE. THE LAW CAN AT TIMES BE AN A***

    • @truth-Hurts375
      @truth-Hurts375 4 месяца назад +1

      Still...
      That does NOT give this Domkop the right to do what he did .....

    • @anonymouslex782
      @anonymouslex782 4 месяца назад

      @@truth-Hurts375 He simply asked, "how would you as a black man fee" if those sentences were reversed in a democratic nation and again, as your name says, truth hurts

  • @thabo1504
    @thabo1504 4 месяца назад +1

    "As a black woman"... Here starts the buzz words. Lol

  • @ianoverll692
    @ianoverll692 4 месяца назад +7

    Think about this....would this video ever have surfaced if Mr Gouws was never elected to parliament ?

    • @janedoe5510
      @janedoe5510 4 месяца назад

      No. It wouldn't matter as much.

    • @nobulawutwala2127
      @nobulawutwala2127 4 месяца назад +3

      It matters now because he would have to serve all the people of this country and it is clear that Renaldo Gouws holds Black people in contempt, so how can he be trusted to serve ALL equally and with fairness?

    • @obySedgefieldgemofourgardenrou
      @obySedgefieldgemofourgardenrou 4 месяца назад +1

      It's tough at the coal face,racism is natural , as is the rich poor divide, we must all grow out of this racism thing,it takes too much stage,with no real remedy,national day of racism .

    • @SoultyBoiBeats
      @SoultyBoiBeats 4 месяца назад +1

      I know this guy from The Big Debate, he always talk about polls😂😂😂,

    • @siyawam
      @siyawam 4 месяца назад

      Gouws was arrogant after he was sworn in in parliament. This would not have happened to him had he kept quiet and focused on his new role.

  • @Truecrime_junkie_TO
    @Truecrime_junkie_TO 4 месяца назад +2

    The context in which Malema and everyone else use the Boer is also used as a defamatory towards whites ..

  • @rosehunter5140
    @rosehunter5140 4 месяца назад +6

    Great interview. Well done Gabrielle.

  • @rthare1
    @rthare1 4 месяца назад +4

    Naledi was noshing her teeth and so hypocritical and wrong. As a black person she says she can tell the impact of a word yet is she also saying that as a white person Gaibriel cannot tell her the impact of being threatened with murder because now there's a context?

    • @margaretlesoleso
      @margaretlesoleso 4 месяца назад

      That serves you right😄😄. Your expectations supercedes the real facts😇😇

  • @afroisme5750
    @afroisme5750 4 месяца назад +6

    ....Malema isn't an issue here; at issue is Renaldo Goyws who used the K word and the N word and calling for the killing of Black people....justifying racism is nonsensical...

    • @MarkHutchinson-ry9sz
      @MarkHutchinson-ry9sz 4 месяца назад

      Look up the word context.

    • @samanthaholm9634
      @samanthaholm9634 4 месяца назад

      ​@@MarkHutchinson-ry9szabsolutely agree

    • @willemien2037
      @willemien2037 4 месяца назад

      This is about Gouws responding to Malema's song Kill the Boer.

    • @gstar3569
      @gstar3569 4 месяца назад

      He did not call for the murdering of black people, have you even watched the whole video?

    • @gstar3569
      @gstar3569 4 месяца назад

      Hypocrite

  • @rthare1
    @rthare1 4 месяца назад +13

    She got emotional and carried on with a rant.

  • @jasonroberts9794
    @jasonroberts9794 4 месяца назад +7

    Reynado should get the full strength of the law, and so should Julius Malema

    • @0761Siban
      @0761Siban 4 месяца назад

      Will you not address yourself to the matter without bringing in Malema, racist you?!

    • @helenduplessis4166
      @helenduplessis4166 4 месяца назад +1

      Ah, but, there are different strokes for different folks..

    • @samanthaholm9634
      @samanthaholm9634 4 месяца назад

      ​@@0761SibanMalema is a racist if you heard him in court he says he's not going to kill WHITE people yet. That is not appreciated by me it hurt my feelings.

    • @zerog1037
      @zerog1037 4 месяца назад

      Over satire? Thts dumb

  • @godfreyberry1599
    @godfreyberry1599 4 месяца назад +15

    This woman is only pushing for the answer she wants to hear. Why bother with the interview in the first place?. Newsroom, normally excellent is trolling the bottom of the rascism barrel.

    • @revinot
      @revinot 4 месяца назад +1

      thats what I picked up too.

    • @samanthaholm9634
      @samanthaholm9634 4 месяца назад +1

      Absolutely

    • @UviweMkupa
      @UviweMkupa 4 месяца назад

      You would say that because you are a racists

  • @mvelotshabalala2462
    @mvelotshabalala2462 4 месяца назад +10

    Where was this polling done that say's Malemi is the most racists politician?😂

    • @marshallnyamadzawo8553
      @marshallnyamadzawo8553 4 месяца назад

      They just want to shut him down with the racist flag because he is the most vocal guy against suppression, apartheid, white supremacy etc... We should not buy that nonsense!!

    • @sonofsoweto
      @sonofsoweto 4 месяца назад +2

      Where have you been? It was done in orania.

    • @marshallnyamadzawo8553
      @marshallnyamadzawo8553 4 месяца назад

      @@sonofsoweto 🤣🤣

    • @nhlanhlamahlangu2895
      @nhlanhlamahlangu2895 4 месяца назад

      ​@@sonofsoweto😂😂😂

    • @KatlehoMolekoSterkspruit
      @KatlehoMolekoSterkspruit 4 месяца назад

      @@sonofsoweto 😂😂

  • @blessinggumede9445
    @blessinggumede9445 4 месяца назад +1

    I have heard Afrikaanse people call themselves "boers" for example "boer maak 'n plaan" to this day I am yet to hear a black person call themselves the K word. No brother, you are mistaken here. Words without context still have context

  • @Peace-un2zv
    @Peace-un2zv 4 месяца назад +14

    Its vital that reporters must be unbiased.✌️

  • @Just_Mzo
    @Just_Mzo 4 месяца назад +13

    Why would you attend an interview about a video you have not watched though? Either he is lying or grossly incompetent.

    • @helenduplessis4166
      @helenduplessis4166 4 месяца назад +2

      He watched the video later in the day. He said is watched a snippet initially, and then watched the entire thing later when he was in his office.

    • @afriqueinvestir
      @afriqueinvestir 4 месяца назад +1

      @@helenduplessis4166 the entire thing is 6 minutes he watched an edited 50 secs clip. hes useless as a researcher

    • @Just_Mzo
      @Just_Mzo 4 месяца назад

      @@helenduplessis4166 you are lying.

    • @markriordan9010
      @markriordan9010 4 месяца назад +1

      Why don't you listen attentively....is it deliberate....the man explained very clearly the situation regarding the video...

    • @lastofthebrunnen-g
      @lastofthebrunnen-g 4 месяца назад +1

      He's quoting the moment that happens in the fourth minute of the full six minute video at 9:00 of this interview. Have you watched the entire 6 minute video or do you have no idea what you're talking about?

  • @yvonnememela918
    @yvonnememela918 4 месяца назад +15

    The fact that this Gouws couldn't speak against Malema without using racial slurs points to not only his racism but also stupidity as well.In his rants, he insults black South Africans and Africans in general. He had to suffer the consequences. He certainly, regardless of what the courts decide, can not be part of government.

    • @user-of9of
      @user-of9of 4 месяца назад

      How else was Renaldo supposed to talk about a black racist that calls for the killing of whites?

    • @jvanvuuren8461
      @jvanvuuren8461 4 месяца назад

      Watch the full video first. You go of what other people are saying and their opinions based on a few seconds.

    • @easygoingdevilfan1387
      @easygoingdevilfan1387 4 месяца назад +1

      @@jvanvuuren8461 Read before you comment 🥴

    • @MarkHutchinson-ry9sz
      @MarkHutchinson-ry9sz 4 месяца назад

      Context .Look it up.

    • @anonymouslex782
      @anonymouslex782 4 месяца назад

      The fact that malema cant go without ONE rally without attacking white people with that songs shows you that malema is a racist fool and he means nothing

  • @jazzytza5514
    @jazzytza5514 4 месяца назад

    Great questions from Naledi. Thank you for standing on business wena ngwaneso, appreciated ❤

  • @charlesvanonselen6251
    @charlesvanonselen6251 4 месяца назад +6

    If you are Calvinist Afrikaans speaking person, you can live in orania. I am white English speaking person so I can't live there. It's NOT about race, it's about culture

    • @tshiamooriel5113
      @tshiamooriel5113 4 месяца назад +1

      If we all follow your reasoning, I wonder do you think the world will be a better or worse place? And what is it in the calvinist Afrikaans culture that excludes people from joining this community? The truth is those people are together because of their shared perception of history and self-image, more than any progressive principles that people can freely adopt should they choose to. Let's stop lying on the internet to each other and ourselves.

    • @charlesvanonselen6251
      @charlesvanonselen6251 4 месяца назад

      @@tshiamooriel5113 like for like, they want people of like culture! ALL tribes do this! If you are against Orania, why are you not the same towards Zululand or any other place where tribes live together? Different strokes for different folks I guess? Its also not for me to judge them, nor is it right for you to do. Again I do not judge different culture's customs, each to their own! As for lying - you should try taking your own advice before offering it to others! PS Life is probably much better for them because there is less dispute! Makes you think eh!!!

    • @tshiamooriel5113
      @tshiamooriel5113 4 месяца назад

      ​​​@@charlesvanonselen6251you seem offended. With all due respect, I think your response is not measured and clearly emotional. Concerning the tribal dymanics of south Africa or in fact the world, you are suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect, hence your impotence in dealing with the questions and points I raise but instead doubling down on your ignorance. So, I suggest you take a break from the internet a bit. Then come back and elucidate; and share your views on the points I am raising in a reasonable and constructive manner.

    • @charlesvanonselen6251
      @charlesvanonselen6251 4 месяца назад

      @@tshiamooriel5113 offended? No, just surprised and amused at the lack of understanding of a very simple concept on your part. Like I said, I am not Calvinist or Afrikaans but I respect their right to protect their own interests, just as I do the Zulus or any other tribe would in order to preserve their culture. Maybe you should go revisit those tertiary books again and find some other term that fits your narrative! You are literally demonstrating the very prognosis you have attempted to label me with! Just a suggestion! Enjoy your day!

    • @tshiamooriel5113
      @tshiamooriel5113 4 месяца назад

      ​@@charlesvanonselen6251 Again, with all due respect, can you please just address my first reply? Doubling down on your ignorance and saying "you too" is not a response, unless you are 5 years old, do you get that? Your "you too" response ironically solidifies my diagnosis.
      I responded to you, directing my response to your points, hoping for some modicum of intellect and reason, in challenge to my points. But i think what you are really saying is that, your points on tribe are baseless, and shallow.
      Initially, I made the following 3 points, what is your response?
      1. If we all follow your reasoning, I wonder do you think the world will be a better or worse place?
      2. And what is it in the calvinist Afrikaans culture that excludes people from joining this community?
      3. The truth is those people are together because of their shared perception of history and self-image, more than any progressive principles that people can freely adopt should they choose to.
      Here are follow up quesitons, since you are an expert in the concept of tribe in south africa:
      Tell me what do you know about the Ngonyama Trust of the Zulu people? Kgosi Tau? What about the Gaza Empire? Monomothapa? Maphungubwe? Tell me about the integration patterns with others and standards/principles/laws of these tribes? tell me about the dynamic nature of tribe? what does the word batswana mean? do you know?
      BTW Rights are not a pass for racism (you're a pig for thinking in this way), do you know who the founders of Orania are and the spirit of thier startup in 1991? do you know who hendrik verwoerd is? you are talking garbage. Don't come here with your superficial intellect.
      You also have a good day Sir/Madam, take a walk and maybe your madness can be cured by the sun.

  • @caroleknight4686
    @caroleknight4686 4 месяца назад +2

    Highly biased reporter. She didn't get the responses she clearly wanted. Shame

    • @UviweMkupa
      @UviweMkupa 4 месяца назад

      Lol, only a racist apologist would say that

  • @Bluecollarjoe6B9
    @Bluecollarjoe6B9 4 месяца назад +9

    This guy tried his best to run intellectual interference for Gouws.

  • @KalienKeides
    @KalienKeides 4 месяца назад +2

    He shouldn't have used the words.. I'm sure he could have delivered the same point without using those words which cos I mean "boer" and k/n aren't equivocal... You don't get bliksemed for calling someone a boer... You know?

  • @lungilemahaye5179
    @lungilemahaye5179 4 месяца назад +12

    Is this guy saying its allowed to use racial slurs in certain context? Maybe ngihlulwa isilungu.

    • @hlamzar
      @hlamzar 4 месяца назад +3

      You heard him right. He even said Malema is the most racist politician 😂 and SAns don't experience racism

    • @samuelmontsioa8253
      @samuelmontsioa8253 4 месяца назад +5

      He's confusing me also because he's not making his stand clear regarding the word

    • @anonymouslex782
      @anonymouslex782 4 месяца назад

      He was saying that Renaldo used the slurs in a manner to express context of what he was talking about and why is was angry and that in many books written by whites and blacks the authors uses the same words but they dont get attacked for the very simple reason, context.

    • @lungilemahaye5179
      @lungilemahaye5179 4 месяца назад +1

      @@anonymouslex782 using a racial slur and calling it hyperbole is wild hey. He could have called us Africans or black people but he intentionally used the K and N words. I think used it because he felt there won't be any consequences. What's even more unsettling to me are people who are defending his behavior like the guy being interviewed. He didn't refer to him as a racist, not even once.

  • @tiromakhudu3817
    @tiromakhudu3817 4 месяца назад +1

    why has this socalled institute never been called out for the misnomer that it is?

  • @lengaumosotho
    @lengaumosotho 4 месяца назад +5

    So people are trying to say this Gouws fellow could not make the same point without being racist. He said racist things to make a point, but he is not racist, ok!

    • @zoeanastasia4438
      @zoeanastasia4438 4 месяца назад +2

      He was itching to use racial slurs. It wasn't enough to "call" for the k*lling of people "to prove a point", he ALSO had to use racial slurs. How ignorant was he really? 🤦🏻‍♀️

  • @helenduplessis4166
    @helenduplessis4166 4 месяца назад

    Thanks Gabriel!

  • @JeremyPage-s4g
    @JeremyPage-s4g 4 месяца назад +10

    I couldn't watch that video.i have never heard such filth uttered on RUclips.

    • @cloudstrife8791
      @cloudstrife8791 4 месяца назад

      Must be a foreigner? Malema sings these at events and even states attacks on whites in the future.

  • @oratuwe8114
    @oratuwe8114 4 месяца назад +5

    Give and tale here and there.. this is the first time I've mostly agreed with an IRR employee!

  • @gavinsaunders8997
    @gavinsaunders8997 4 месяца назад +16

    If his charged then baby Juli boy must follow. EFF has done and said way worse.

    • @africanqueen1655
      @africanqueen1655 4 месяца назад +1

      Your forefathers 👨🏼👩🏼 have been exposed. We are RECLAIMING our Land. 🙏🏿🙌🏾

    • @KhanyisoNtlakaza
      @KhanyisoNtlakaza 4 месяца назад +4

      You are really mentally disturbed😂

    • @RNA0ROGER
      @RNA0ROGER 4 месяца назад

      They have also done so while being in elected office which is a major major consideration.

    • @africanqueen1655
      @africanqueen1655 4 месяца назад +1

      @@KhanyisoNtlakazaThe keep deleting my messages. YT is bias & does not want the truth told.

    • @africanqueen1655
      @africanqueen1655 4 месяца назад +3

      @@KhanyisoNtlakazaThe fact that they hate JuJu means that he is doing right by his Black African Indigenous people. 🙏🏿👏🏾👏🏾

  • @BJamnes29
    @BJamnes29 4 месяца назад

    Historical these guys haven't changed.

  • @thembindhlovu7234
    @thembindhlovu7234 4 месяца назад +5

    his parents must be proud of him, i mean this is a learned behavior after all

    • @nobulawutwala2127
      @nobulawutwala2127 4 месяца назад +1

      Yeap agreed and his parents must also employ him as well because I'm not confidant that he is employable now!

    • @jvanvuuren8461
      @jvanvuuren8461 4 месяца назад

      Don't pull his parents in - they did not make the video.

    • @thembindhlovu7234
      @thembindhlovu7234 4 месяца назад

      @@jvanvuuren8461 but they thought him the behavior, one doesn't just become racist from no where

  • @revinot
    @revinot 4 месяца назад +1

    The problem started immediatly when he said he didnt see the whole video, but an editied version!!! I believe this is a version the majority of people have seen.
    I hope poeple saw the whole video, before they pass judgement and give their opinion. People miss the context of what was being said. This interview just proves that, Renaldo said he didnt mean what he said in that video and was saying just to get or provoke a reaction and get peoples attention... and by this media frenzy he proved himself right. Seems like everyone heard the slurs and reacted on that but no one understood the message.

  • @YeesusTrapido
    @YeesusTrapido 4 месяца назад

    Well done, you stopped his bs and told him the reality he looked like he'd wet himself

  • @fredbantu3694
    @fredbantu3694 4 месяца назад +10

    Gabriel and Gouws are the same kin folk they will defend each other. Why did the producer bring Crouse here ?

    • @anonymouslex782
      @anonymouslex782 4 месяца назад +2

      Gabriel spoke nothing but truth and these days emotions such as your turns out to be the bigger than facts or logic

    • @markriordan9010
      @markriordan9010 4 месяца назад

      Spoken by a TRUE, dyed-in-the-wool racist. Can't see differences in people, lump them all together in the same box....how sadly dumb !

    • @lastofthebrunnen-g
      @lastofthebrunnen-g 4 месяца назад

      You are either disingenuous or you haven't actually watched the video? 6:30 9:00

  • @shafiyaalgiquadra1105
    @shafiyaalgiquadra1105 4 месяца назад +22

    It says something about our hellscape when the head of the Institute of Race Relations in SOUTH AFRICA is this chap😂

    • @ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub
      @ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub 4 месяца назад

      It says something about our justice system when you get a R150k fine for calling a certain group of people monkeys and get a fine of R30k for calling for the extermination of a different group of people.

    • @sfisomzobe6692
      @sfisomzobe6692 4 месяца назад

      No wonder racism isn't even talked about, these guys just do fake polls and try to paint a picture of unity

    • @helenduplessis4166
      @helenduplessis4166 4 месяца назад

      He isn't the head.

    • @shafiyaalgiquadra1105
      @shafiyaalgiquadra1105 4 месяца назад

      @@helenduplessis4166 well, you know what I mean, whenever the IRR is in discussion this is who gets wheeled out without fail. A testament to our unique position in this hellscape.

    • @MarkHutchinson-ry9sz
      @MarkHutchinson-ry9sz 4 месяца назад

      Someone not exposed to corruption.

  • @sanelemkhwanazi8151
    @sanelemkhwanazi8151 4 месяца назад +3

    Anyone ask themselves WHO and HOW are folks like this guy are appointed ?! Hes actually defending the racist behavior without being explicit

  • @bonganimalinga3967
    @bonganimalinga3967 4 месяца назад

    To have Gabriel Crouse's opinion on matters such as this is very comical. I can't with deal! His track record speaks for itself

  • @marabunya
    @marabunya 4 месяца назад +4

    This shouldn't shock us at all because we know all too well that white South Africans speak about black South Africans in that same tone and belief whenever they get together in their private braais and social media groups. DA also seems to say there are levels to racism and that some levels of racism are acceptable to them because instead of acting harshly to correct their official, they want to sugarcoat and explain what could've happened.

  • @musajohannessithole8970
    @musajohannessithole8970 4 месяца назад +6

    CIC Malema's chant was not found to be hate speech by the Court of law. Neither was CIC Malema found to be instigating violence.

    • @cloudstrife8791
      @cloudstrife8791 4 месяца назад

      Bcz its not directed at blacks. Now a white practically proved that if whites do the same its wrong by the same courts double standards.

    • @marysinclair3759
      @marysinclair3759 4 месяца назад +4

      That is still to be seen. Don't count your eggs before they hatch. Malemas arrogance will be his downfall and he needs no help from you or I lol...he will do it all by himself.

    • @silaskhalishwayo
      @silaskhalishwayo 4 месяца назад

      Malema sing a struggle song clowns 😂😂😂😂if that was a case wr all racist as black people singing against white supremacy 😊

    • @markriordan9010
      @markriordan9010 4 месяца назад

      Your darling CIC is not far from being a PIC....Prisoner in Chains...he's a walking candidate for an orange overall. Evil piece of work.

  • @souldubafroculture1437
    @souldubafroculture1437 4 месяца назад

    Scrap the GNU

  • @KaeMaiden
    @KaeMaiden 4 месяца назад

    Well, DA was voted into power in an 80% Black nation...good luck.

  • @leonabrahams6681
    @leonabrahams6681 4 месяца назад +8

    This lady doing the interview is not listening to what he is saying ( context ) when you put it in context you understand better which she is refusing to do 🤦🏽

  • @martinshabangu9854
    @martinshabangu9854 4 месяца назад

    There things that are forgivable and there are things that aren’t…and this is one of them

  • @JackMthembu
    @JackMthembu 4 месяца назад

    This guy is a joke!

  • @bhekifamthembu7283
    @bhekifamthembu7283 4 месяца назад

    Why is this guy being interviewed cause he is not making sense.

  • @Jagged-mm7sb
    @Jagged-mm7sb 4 месяца назад +10

    This presenter look irretated with guy.

    • @MduduziFundamu
      @MduduziFundamu 4 месяца назад +4

      He is irritating

    • @nobulawutwala2127
      @nobulawutwala2127 4 месяца назад

      @@MduduziFundamu So irritating!

    • @Papito_ZA
      @Papito_ZA 4 месяца назад

      Ke lekgowa 👀 .. Ba tena

    • @markriordan9010
      @markriordan9010 4 месяца назад

      Of course she was irritated....she wasn't getting the answers she wanted....if you can honestly say you consider her "neutral", you need to re-visit a dictionary. She is just doing her job, working for the racist ANC regime.

  • @andilematshanda6825
    @andilematshanda6825 4 месяца назад

    ive never been so confused

  • @thorstenbohn4045
    @thorstenbohn4045 4 месяца назад +6

    Take him to court, this guy and malema belong in jail

    • @musajohannessithole8970
      @musajohannessithole8970 4 месяца назад +1

      CIC Malema is leading the fight of the oppressive system which still exists. Black people are still denied access to their ancestral Land by the same system.

    • @cloudstrife8791
      @cloudstrife8791 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@@musajohannessithole8970Malema himself has stated he is not from here. Zulu kings have stated Congo is their ancestral home. This is not Congo you had nothing taken

    • @boitumelomotingwe7806
      @boitumelomotingwe7806 4 месяца назад

      @@cloudstrife8791 WANYELA

  • @rthare1
    @rthare1 4 месяца назад +6

    WOW Naledi was put in her place nicely. Her questions were really racist and stupid.

    • @MduduziFundamu
      @MduduziFundamu 4 месяца назад +1

      Calling the kettle.....

    • @rthare1
      @rthare1 4 месяца назад +1

      @@MduduziFundamu I don't know how to take that now. Are you calling the kettle 'white', it's so confusing these days,

    • @margaretlesoleso
      @margaretlesoleso 4 месяца назад +1

      Be a journalist and work under ethnics, then you'd sing a different song🙄🙄🙄

    • @samanthaholm9634
      @samanthaholm9634 4 месяца назад

      ​@@rthare1😂😂

    • @rthare1
      @rthare1 4 месяца назад

      @@margaretlesoleso Try work with ethics, its harder.

  • @rthare1
    @rthare1 4 месяца назад +4

    Naledi you are a terrible presenter, always trying to butt in and play your race card. Why do you always have to say YA , YA in the background. We are trying to listen to common sense.

  • @Mandisa5188
    @Mandisa5188 4 месяца назад

    Gabriel arguing that derogatory words can be used in literature and journalism makes me believe he uses the K and N word himself and justifies it with this point. Also black people using those words even in art and journalism is still different to white people in those spaces. I don’t think white people should ever use those words.

  • @skeptik3258
    @skeptik3258 4 месяца назад +10

    Ghastly journalism

  • @mxolisimakhubo6077
    @mxolisimakhubo6077 4 месяца назад

    If you search for the origins of the IRR you know why he thinks like this.

  • @charlesvanonselen6251
    @charlesvanonselen6251 4 месяца назад +1

    Did you watch the entire video or not? Context is key! You are biased if you do not watch the entire video because you will miss the context within he uses the phrase! You are literally accusing him of what he said is wrong!!! How biased is this presenter?

  • @japrosper7240
    @japrosper7240 4 месяца назад +5

    Why did I listen to this ??????

  • @malnaai6467
    @malnaai6467 4 месяца назад +1

    Gabriel walked a tight rope there.

  • @marklowe5386
    @marklowe5386 4 месяца назад

    Why is the word "Mlungu" not deemed as derogatory????

    • @tashansofwa2426
      @tashansofwa2426 4 месяца назад

      Because it’s not derogatory. It’s the Nguni word for white

    • @RSVPrr
      @RSVPrr 4 месяца назад

      Was it used to degrade?

  • @altabryden6359
    @altabryden6359 4 месяца назад

    All people supporting this TV presenter who thought that the K word was so bad to use, is not considering this video clip was made 16 years ago when it was not outlawed yet. At that point, you could only be taken to task in a civil matter if it was used against someone in a pointed and harmful way, which he clearly did not. But you cannot convince haters, and I am talking about blacks hating whites. Ironically, exactly what Renaldo was pointing out. This presenter gets so fired up as if Renaldo said this yesterday and as if he asked for the killing of blacks. The hate becomes so apparent that it explains exactly what Renaldo's point was. As a white person, I get just as upset by Malema. That was the point. He pointed out how blacks can say this, but whites can't. Renaldo was simply using a shock tactic to draw attention to Malemas's statements and asking all people to do some introspection. It is time to stop the hatred including that of people like this presenter. Renaldo Gouws is not a hater, but she clearly is. Get it?

  • @tumelothobejane4284
    @tumelothobejane4284 4 месяца назад

    It's the way they protect each other iyoh😩

  • @gavinsaunders8997
    @gavinsaunders8997 4 месяца назад +4

    K WORD ? do you even know what its means 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @MduduziFundamu
      @MduduziFundamu 4 месяца назад +5

      Why don't you tell us😊

    • @ShoniNemavhidi
      @ShoniNemavhidi 4 месяца назад

      ​@@MduduziFundamu According to Trevor Noah it means unbeliever. White people did not assign the word to themselves because they take their coffee with caffeine.

    • @nobulawutwala2127
      @nobulawutwala2127 4 месяца назад

      Yes we do...its an Arabic word...it means heathen. The Dutch who are the predecessor of the Afrikaaners took this Arabic word for themselves and bastardized into something very ugly and used it to refer to Africans. By the way the Arabs, who also were not that great to Africans either, referred to Africans as heathens because we practiced a form of spirituality that they did not like, preferring that we practice Islam instead. The Afrikaaners and all racist non-Africans, use this word with the intent to create emotional and psychological harm. Often they use the "K" and "N" words on their way to Mosque, Temple and Church...Verwoed attended church too...I wonder which God he was praying to?

  • @ZeldaDuplessis-u3e
    @ZeldaDuplessis-u3e 4 месяца назад

    The anc eff stand on stage and advertice the killing of farmers.that was a angry respond to anc and eff.its not his fult that is how he felt

  • @thomasprogli3372
    @thomasprogli3372 4 месяца назад

    Well this is South Africa where violence is so present that people get more hung up about a word - as insulting as it is - than the actual inciting violence -encouraging people to take the actual lives of others.

  • @kennethmiya9000
    @kennethmiya9000 2 месяца назад

    Narcisst racist chalatan Gabriel Crouse, sad how the interviewer is oblivious to this.

  • @dineothwane8394
    @dineothwane8394 4 месяца назад

    What is the meaning of the word KAFFIR?

  • @katlegos
    @katlegos 4 месяца назад

    I believe his analysis of the data was disingenuous

  • @neilmattheus1769
    @neilmattheus1769 4 месяца назад

    That is not what he said at all. You need to watch the full video. Of 6 minutes. There is no racism in his post. The media gets it so wrong.

  • @MamaMama-kq1fx
    @MamaMama-kq1fx 4 месяца назад +5

    Who about black man rapping black women

    • @MduduziFundamu
      @MduduziFundamu 4 месяца назад +5

      As if you care

    • @liveinwisdom3610
      @liveinwisdom3610 4 месяца назад

      @@MduduziFundamu Lol... when one of theirs are in the spot light for BS, they quick to suddenly care about people of color .Hilarious, so predictable.

    • @helenduplessis4166
      @helenduplessis4166 4 месяца назад +2

      Crime is truly out of hand in this country.

    • @RSVPrr
      @RSVPrr 4 месяца назад

      ​@@helenduplessis4166 do White men not rape?

  • @ashwinmark1849
    @ashwinmark1849 4 месяца назад

    We need the veterans that fully understand the racial matters to explain because most post apartheid people might not understand how to respond to this matters Government needs to do serious intervention if not this will get worse

  • @user-of9of
    @user-of9of 4 месяца назад +3

    Why does the media refuse to show the entire video?

  • @user-ez9en7vk2z
    @user-ez9en7vk2z 4 месяца назад

    Storm in teacup.
    Typical ironic decoy tactics in South Africa.
    Who drove the campaign against him?
    Whats her name? Who funds her and where does she live?
    Clearly she an agent of MK.

  • @jo-d-lo38
    @jo-d-lo38 4 месяца назад

    This Father Christmas shouldn't be working at the lRR.
    He is a denialist.

  • @Antoinette-iv6ev
    @Antoinette-iv6ev 4 месяца назад

    Naledi seems more alarmed then us the viewers

  • @anonymouslex782
    @anonymouslex782 4 месяца назад +2

    The way this video abruptly end shows that this interview lady could not counter anything Mr Crouse was saying number 1 because its in context and its FACTS

  • @ashwinmark1849
    @ashwinmark1849 4 месяца назад

    This guy needs to do his homework properly before responding to this

  • @WilliamPulles
    @WilliamPulles 4 месяца назад +7

    This interviewer’s bias is astounding - she is incapable of rational debate around the topic of race.

    • @KevintónBlack
      @KevintónBlack 4 месяца назад +3

      Can you provide evidence for that, or you are commenting out of your own bias? Your comment is just pure projection.

    • @swartkat4394
      @swartkat4394 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@CloudyHands yep, in her opening statement she lied and said 'he called for the killing of black people'. He then calls her out and and says, no he said IF a white person would do that they would get in trouble, but a black politician wouldn't. She doesn't deny it and says, yes but just using those words should be wrong no matter the context.

    • @KevintónBlack
      @KevintónBlack 4 месяца назад

      @@swartkat4394 First, I do not support any racist remarks about any race. I do not support black politicians that spew racism, hence I advocated that Julius Malema should be throwed in prison for hate speech. Neither do I support Renaldo for using the K-word/N-word.
      What Gouws did was uncalled for, and yes, while he may have pointed out the hypocrisy, he still called for the killing of black people.
      Julius Malema and Renaldo Gouws are two sides of the same coin.

  • @julescath8848
    @julescath8848 4 месяца назад +1

    The reporter is so offended by the word she can't do her job which is to report the facts .

  • @collinphahlane7527
    @collinphahlane7527 4 месяца назад

    He is justifying bullshit.