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"Trans Women Are Men … Including Me" - Debbie Hayton
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
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@@elainejohnson796 I believe they are very well informed (and now even more informed!). But I think their questions were formed in that way so Debbie would have lots of room and freedom to answer, maybe.....?
@@gabrielledenby 000
I just come out with it and say it: I love you guys! I know it is a bit early for that, but it just feels right. I admire what you do for humanity, i really do.
"If I'm comfortable and confident with who I am, why would I care about what you or others think?" Wow! Mad respect.
Exactly what we tell our kids isn't it when there hving people say stuff to them at school!
If more trans people would be like Hayton, I’d be more willing to socially support them.
But the screaming mad activists who strip for children have done a great job at keeping me quite antagonistic to their movement.
i agree i thought the person said that perfectly
I know right? For once a transitioner is being real!
The problem is that most are not comfortable in their own skin. Along with the spirit of homosexuality comes an incredible shame that needs to be dealt with in order to go on successfully without hardening one’s heart. Dis-order is right! It’s out of Gods order!
Bloody hell. A trans person making absolute sense without demands for special treatment and taking responsibility for her own feelings and needs. Debbie does a world of good for trans people everywhere.
Well she did say that she would expect a male prison to give her special amenities...so I guess that counts as special treatment lol.
@@GameCrawler Or you could say that prisons should provide a safe environment for everyone.
She speaks for herself! In no way does she speak for ALL trans people. Trans people are as diverse and different as all other people. She has her own views and that’s all, but should never been taken as true or absolute!
You found one Trans person who confirms your biases. Well done. There are plenty who won't, because, funnily enough, people are different...
@@scottmcmahon86 you’re right. Those cisgender mfs who found a transgender person who confirmed their biases really piss me off.
One of my daughters, born in the 80's was a tomboy, hated girly things, wanted cars and not dolls, loved jeans and climbing trees, had lots of male friends. Nowadays she'd be transitioned. She said to me that she felt she liked being like a boy but if I'd given her drugs and surgery she'd never have forgiven me. She grew up very much a woman and loves being a woman.
I'm not your daughter. But this my story as well. - Even though as I'm getting older I find myself dressing more tomboyish again. Not because I have a problem with my gender, but male clothes are more practical in everyday life.
Same here. Still a tomboy in my 30s (s.o even called me "Mr", from behind, of course lol), but that's ok. That's me and I love my parents for being Polish Catholics and not leftist weirdoes. They just let me be.
Yeah I wish people would understand just because you are a tomboy or like male things it doesn't mean that you are transgender. I'm happier now on hormones than I was presenting as a girl . But they're a lot of changes on hormones that aren't irreversible and it's scary seeing little kids going on hormones at a young age not understand the full effects of this medicine. I'm happy my mom made me wait till I was a legal adult to go on hrt. It's a very big step for someone to take in their life .
@@alexdix2064 why do hormones make you happier?
According to the left you are all red herrings.
If most trans people were like Debbie, there wouldnt be a huge issue.
There are no more any"trans ns" people than there are thief people or liar people; the notion of " trans people is a religious fiction - a fiction of that queer religion modernism. Whereast the religion modernism w would hold te fiction that transwomen are men, the blike calling himself debbies boldly declare thay not so, thus from the point of view of modernism he is a form of trsotot whim it would expect to declare than he was a woman when he candidly admits that he is abloke dressed up as a woman, so he would agree with me no womb, nor a woman and no doubt also that fake women are like sewerites- pointless and neither use nor ornament
There*Are_no" trans people"-trans people - so- called, are a fiction of that queer religion modernism. Real women do not care to be carictured or mocked by men pretending to be women and one can see their point. Fake women are to real women what minstrels a or actors blacked up to look like negros are to real negros, hence the uncle tom analogy, which is perfectly apt
The elders are mostly like her
Any pychologist will tell you it is the most unhealthy thing to put your self worth in other peoples hands. Mostly because it is impossible to get everyone to think the way you want.
This is why these woke activists are so unstable, they want everyone to think the same as them by force
this is the thing I don't get. When trans people say "you must indulge my identity" but like. Your identity is YOUR identity. It isn't "demand everyone else respond to it in the way I want"
“Identity is a comprise between your view of yourself and society telling you who you are”
@@mtgmarkv i agree with this, I feel like now however we are in a weird place where ones view of oneself is demanding society to agree with who you say you are, and anything less is "you're trying to erase trans people"
@@imamuggle03 the simple fact of the matter is this, the natural order of things, as we can observe in the animals kingdom, is that there are 2 genders, and within those animal societies, the genders are genetically pre set in such a way. With lions it's the males who fight off other males, so he can claim a group of females as his own, same with gorillas. Within insects and fish the females are often far larger and might even eat the males after mating.
The point is the natural order has genders biologically set as they are. Human societies have been built around the biological nature of humankind since man walked upright.
Now because of the nature of human beings, we have a huge cluster of concepts within our society we have gathered and made part of our systems, so alternate concepts to what someone identifies as is based simply not on genetics but on psychological befuddlement, what feels normal to one person is abnormal to another. So people look for ways to change themselves in what they think will make them happy.
This however doesn't change the basis of genetics or functions of our society, it becomes more about satisfying that placebo rather then accepting whatever abnormality you might have in your head for what it is.
This is the type of trans person I can respect she still understands there are reality that can't be changed
I'll still just call them a dude and a he. A man Not a "transwomen" because they don't exist.
Exactly. Sadly it’s the loud, perverted and demented activists - especially those that groom children - that make me quite antagonistic to their movement.
And yet you're calling him "her"
And if you called a he he could care less . 👏
@@boredshrimp9425Becuase, he/she commands respect, by simply knowing reality
I'm one of those women who hated being a girl when I was young. I had two older brothers and I was a complete "tomboy". I told everyone that I didn't want to be a girl, I wanted to do boy things, play with the boys, do what the boys did. They got to do fun things like wrestle, build tree houses, get dirty. I didn't want to play with barbies and wear dresses. If I had adults telling me I could actually BE a boy, wow! I would be a boy today. THANK God that did not happen. Thank God I am not young today because I LOVE being a woman and all that comes with it. I'm still not a girly girl but I am ME and I love being female. I fear for these young children today.
Totally agree! Well said.
I could have written the same exact words. I was THE worlds top tomboy. 6 brothers. I could do everything they could, some things better. Tree climber, ball player, runner, swimmer, ice skater, bowler, roller blades (still). I told my mom I was never going to,grow up because an adult was the worst, most boring life one could have. Hit 15, turns out I’m a stunner. Suddenly, being a girl was awesome. I started washing my hair, taking baths. Grew to about 5ft 4. Stopped traffic. That’s my story. To think it could have been taken away from me because I liked to climb trees and go down into,the sewer in my Sunday clothes, it’s just horrifying.
That happened to me. Thank god we had smart parents. I wanted to be a boy and today I’m very happy to be a woman 🙏
🙄 this is not the same thing as being trans…
@@ERFman41 The way things are at the moment many young people who think they are trans aren’t! They are the same as we were as young girls.
She transitioned before the trend, the genuine article unlike the crap that's going on now. Much respect
There is no pure English verb to transition, because transition is a *Noun.*
She transitioned from what to what did shetransition(although there is no verb to transition transition being a noun)?Which she have you in mind given that no she appeared in the piece which contains three men and not one woman, unless you are some insane religious fanatic that sees females where there are only males.
By transitioned(and there is no such verb) you mean butchered? He was butchered not she - There was no she in the piece.
Do you use any of the following (rather euphemistic) terms?
• gay
• homophobia/homophobe
• transphobia/transphobe
• trans-sexual
• transgender
• cis gender
• sex worker
• capitalism/capitalist
• any gender-specific pronoun other than he/she, him/her or his/her
Then CONGRATULATIONS - you are (either knowingly or unwittingly) a silly stooge for the loony left!
There is no pure English verb to transition(which is a noun) or parent or reference -they are kinderlander -american neologisms
There no more any " trans" people than there are liar people or thief people. " Trans people" is a religious fiction - a fiction of that queer strange odd peculiar or weird religion modernism that sees sexual perversions as sacred or holy
You can feminise you can not transition
Women (adult human females) would be criticized and probably be kicked off of some social media platforms for speaking these truths.
We have been.
@@Danielle2Cats Ha, I'm with you on that. Been called a terf, which despite its offensive meaning, sounds about as intense as say, "tree," or "mountain." (and i'm well aware it's an acronym) It's just another term made up by a group of individuals who are slyly using their innate male privilege to violate women's sacred space
Not probably, defiantly. Look at poise parker
@@jamiejosh96 I love her
Transwomen still have male privilege lmao
“...In an effort to be compassionate we’re sacrificing truth, reason, and logic?” “Is it kind to lie to people?” Nail on head, friends!
It’s actually patronizing, and insulting to the person placing these demands. How does it help a person to believe the key to their fulfillment, self acceptance, and ability to be successful, lies in the hands of someone else’s choices? A person can influence these things temporarily, of course, but not permanently. Maybe we are supposed to learn and grow from the experience of being rejected by society in all the multitude of ways, we ALL experience. At school being bullied, in our careers when we lose a job, or the betrayal by a loved one, in these ways we are meant, not to become helpless to the extent that we can become delusional in our expectations of others, to sort of, “fix” our pain, but, rather, to make better choices about the next job we take, or the next partner we choose, or the school we choose for our own child, or as a teacher in the way we will notice when a child is in pain.
@Christ is lord I don’t understand your comment. Can you add more by way of explanation? Thanks.
@Christ is lord Not clear who you’re referring to as a bigot. Maybe others reading the thread will get your comment w/o clarification.
@Christ is lord
But no one here is advocating for prejudice, hatred, violence or is even being mean for that matter. Quite the contrary. The desire to “not lie” to people about biological reality, while at the same time acknowledging their inner conflict, is actually motivated by a desire to be kind.
She’s sharing her opinion based on her knowledge of biology and personal experience. The guys are sharing their opinions and asking questions, and I chimed in to say I agree that it is well-meaning but not helpful to tell people what they want to hear rather than the truth. We can debate about what the truth is, I suppose, but you can hardly make a case that wanting people to know it is an act of hatred. Anyway, that’s not my own motivation.
Off topic, but I see by your profile name that you are a Christian. Let me wish you a joyful and meaningful Easter. We can certainly find common ground there. Peace.
This juvenile science? From what I've found it was debunked by a few Doctors in that field like Dr. Soh.
I really like her. She is has her feet firmly grounded in reality, supports women's rights, and is very self-aware. I don't think the trans community would lose so much support if it was people like her who fronted it.
I imagine most trans people are like her. They're just not as loud as the loons.
If he has his feet firmly grounded in reality, why is he pretending to be a woman?
Probably the most sane and realistic trans person I’ve seen… I respect the honesty
@@apebass2215 Debbie isnt pretending to be a woman. Debbie is being Debbie
@@ludovica8221 Debbie is a man who uses the label 'transwoman' to describe himself. If he wasn't trying to pretend to be a woman he'd have no need for that label.
It's no coincidence that the only trans people I've seen in conversation like this who seem to be fully happy and complete in their lives chose that path as fully grown adult.
There are no "trans people" and by the same token there are no thief people or liar people
There are no "trans people" any more than there are any liar people or thief people. It is fantasy to suggest otherwise
I heard the state wants to take away people’s kids if they don’t affirm their gender. Pretty stupid if you ask me.
And are also not fans at all of this gender cult looking around everywhere for kids to sweep up
I suspect it’s also no coincidence that RUclips shows “4 replies” to your comment, yet when I tap to expand, none are visible.
As an FTM trans person it’s so nice to see someone who sees things the way I do. I’m just a bio female with a neurological desire to inhabit a body with male sex characteristics and otherwise just life my life the best way I can. I don’t care about pronouns and all this shit, I’m just me, doing my best.
The debate has been hijacked by few wokenazis
🤣👍👏👏👏 WELL SPOKEN! PEEFECT! LOVE IT! SPOT ON!
Yeah sames
Do you present as male?
Woman who is masculine
"It's an affront to women's boundaries." Yes. Thank you for saying it. A little louder for the ones in the back, please.
I tweeted once something similar to that notion (I saw a thread where a couple transwomen were going off on a radical feminist who believed exactly what debbie beileves; that all transwomen are men, so they were like "get off here you stupid TERF!" [slang for a feminist who excludes transwomen and other female-mixed or similar genders]). I may have chimed in and said to the transwoman who wrote the terf-remark that while "she"may see herself as a woman science and societal experience tell us that's not true. she then reported me and predictably woke culture espoused by twitter immediately suspended my acct within minutes month for "discriminating" language or something to that effect. UGH! I've just forced myself to accept it and go by "live and let be"despite my bitterness that a person born a male will never know what it's like to be a woman, to have a uterus, to go against the patriarchy, etc. etc.
a little louder for the 'feminists'
@@ellena.8369 well is because radical feminist see the problems of women mostly based on their biological issues, like, we have less bone density, less muscular mass, get awful periods, I'm a radfem as well, and when the whole trans issue got popular I couldn't get my mind together, cause radfems fight against harmful stereotypes of women, but for being trans you accept that being a woman is following certain stereotypes based on gender roles, I have the same issue when it comes to nonbinary people even if we think similar as I consider gender stereotypes stupid and mostly focus on biological evidence. Look, I don't hate trans people or nonbinary people, but I really think they have different issues than us, I don't get killed for wearing lipstick, but they do (atleast is like that in my country) I don't want them to be excluded or treated badly cause we all are humans, but I still can't make myself clear with my beliefs, so I prefer to stay away of tumblr xd
@@ellena.8369 I prefer to stay on the type of feminism that protest against sexual abuse and women trafficking (something very usual in latinoamerica sadly) and I want my country to create laws that protect women from feminicides and abusers, as well with educating the people so they finally understand women are human and have rights
@@angelicaflorez6660 I think you said it better than I could - thanks for your thoughts xx
Its quite interesting to see the calm, mature demeanor of a trans person who has their mental health in order. They are able to competently give their position and state their opinions without any of these new age PC style words, or outrage.
There used to be a time where PC just stood for Personal Computer.
@@BlacksmithTWD and before that Police Constable
Progressive conservative…
Thank you. :-)
There is a whole infrastructure of organisations that make a living pushing for certain aspects of trans-rights that does not represent the community. Many of these are people who were involved in the gay rights battle and moved on to what they thought was the next battle. Of course the two issues (gay and trans rights) are not the same, with very important differences. Debbie hints at this in the interview.
I like her and respect her. I'll even go so far as to call her "her" because I don't fell that aggressive insistence that I change my speech to keep from "offending" her. She totally disarms the issue.
What a sensible person with a logical perspective ! A breath of fresh air !
I am transgender I agree with her 100%
No, you* imagine* yourself to be what you are not, why not go for a trans-pot-of-geraniums, or a trans -otter or a trans shrubbery. The word is sex; gender is reserved to objects in languages where objects can be male or female.
Your a confused man ,your not really trans ,might as well be a cross dresser then if you agree
@@vhawk1951kl breaking news: pissy old guy culturally out of touch
@@LaVerdad65 Ah, a religious fanatic whom no rational being would "touch" with a bargepole having a tantrum.
Oh to be *less* in touch with such creatures that demonstrate the stupfying effects of the religion modernism and religion/politics(they are the same thing) generally. Although I dislike the practice of the slaughter of the unborn(which makes the holocaust look amateur), in the case of the passive halves of the causes of such creatures, I would be prepared to make an exception.
@Venus and Mars And you're entitled to your opinion. As a lesbian and a woman, I could give a rats ass what others think of me. No one needs to validate me. I don't need to force others to accept me.
Only insecure people worry too much about what others think.
Debbie is so delightfully pragmatic. She must be a wonderful teacher.
I agree and a wonderful parent too!!!
But the bloke saying that is a bloke-on his own account.
The man calling himself Debbie is no more as she than it is a jellyfish, but at least he faces facts and does not try to justify what is a filthy antinatural paraphilia
They're just acting out their fetish, which is why they don't want special trans spaces for toilets, sports or prisons. If they had those, that would be telling them they're different from women. No, they want us to see them as the woman they desire to be, and if we don't, they expect us to stay quiet, lie, or be silenced.
I believe they covet, desire and ultimately despise what women have. The hatred towards females from these people is all too evident. They aren't trans, they don't believe they're women, they wish they were, it's a fantasy, and that is something they should keep to themselves behind closed doors. Shame gets a bad rap. Some thing exist for which you should be ashamed. This kink is one of them.
Agree
I've listened to Debbie speak, countless times , and have enormous respect for her. She's forthright and honest and deserves nothing but praise!!!
8*He* repeat * He* or the*man* calling himself Debbie is doing the paraphiliac equivalent of an Uncle Tom act to ingratiate himself with what he clearly sees as the winning side and being candid in saying he recognises that he is little more than a transvestite and that *He* a *Man* the title of the piece being:"Transwomen *are men* including* Himself.
In short he is accepting that he is a man and thus - and make a note of this, a He* - not - *repeat* Not* a She*, or in plain English *He* is saying that he is indeed a being of the active sex or man and is only pretending to be a being of the passive sex or woman the who is caricaturing or even simpler he a is a *Fake_woman*
He also almost certainly would accept the proposition " No womb, not a womb_man and explicitly does so, that being -near enough, the title of the piece- or did you not notice that?
It is only that queer religion modernism that makes sacred cows of paraphilics such as sewerites or homosexualists, and fake_women, but wonders *why* make sacred cows out of what are anti-natural monstrosities or freaks of nature which fake women are not, not having been *born* monstrosities any more than anyone is*born* homosexual.
All this nonsense of sucking up to sewerites fake women and paraphilacs is simple a fashion(the French word for which is *mode*-hence the religion being calledMode*_ernism. When I was young quite rightly homosexual practices(NB not homosexuality)such as buggery and sodomy were offences at common law carrying(until the common law was sadly displaced by statute the sexual offences act 1964, the death penalty (or strictly speaking the earlier-than- anticipated death penalty[since what must occur to all men cannot be a *penalty*]
You read and understood thetitle of the piece?
Debie- who is a*man*is saying that fake or trans women are me and that*He*is a *He*not not not not a she.*
He* a bloke dressed up as a woman-a *He, not not , not , not* a she; read the exact words of the title of the piece.
If for "trans" you substitute lie or fake you come to the truth of the matter, and you get lie women or fake women because that is exactly what-they-*Are*. Men pretending to be women and in the procrss mocking or caricaturing (real* women.
A Fake is a fake and Debbie is a *Man- a He*
Why are you calling a *Man* she?
* says He* is a man . Do you make a habit of calling men she?
If so, why do you do that? Do you also call black white, hot cold, left right and night day?
Do you not understand that the creature to who you refer as Debbie, her, and she, is a Man*or He*?
id you not notice that the title of the piece is the exact words of a*man* repeat*man*, calling himself Debbie and his exact words are: "transwomen are*men*, and (referring to*himself*) he says including me."
*Debbie .... is...... a.... *Man*
You understand that "Debbie-the poor sad old queen in the dress is a *man* a *He*?
Did you not read the title of the piece?*He* will kill himself soon enough, and a good thing too.
Do you suppose that those frauds fakes or liars *enjoy* being frauds fakes and liars?
This teacher is someone I wouldn't mind teaching my children. Teachers have to love the truth.
@@elainejohnson796 considering all the risks, I would take her any time over illegal immigrants or radical islamists or people from poor culture... Your comment reminds for some reason (no disrespect intended) when police arresting people who don’t wear masks vs criminals that destroy businesses and go free. Debbie appears to have the least amount of threat, until she proves otherwise...
@@vplan so why don't we let all men into female sex-segregated spaces until they prove otherwise?
@@elainejohnson796 I trust transwoman Debbie Hayton. She comes across as a very fine human being. But the best way is to have toilets for transwomen.
Yes. I think children would be very lucky to have Debbie Hayton for a teacher. I would consider it an honor to benefit from her teaching. She is so bright & knows how to teach really well.
I believe the pupils call him ‘Miss’ don’t they? That would concern me.
What a sensible contribution to the issue. I applaud you Triggenometry.
Yeah it's an interesting debate, and I find Debbie has some nuanced and fresh opinions, and yet some of her views don't seem based on facts. Good example being about women's spaces. She asserts that men are trying to encroach on those women's spaces, yet its been women wishing to encroach into 'traditionally' male spaces that has, rightly or wrongly, caused friction to one degree or another. And she says she feels safer acting as a man on the street, when statistically speaking men are way more likely to be subject to serious violent crime on the street than women are. Crime stats show us this to be true. I got the impression, maybe wrongly, that Debbie has an unfounded low opinion of maleness and masculinity, as evidenced in her reference to the 'gender power struggle', which could perhaps be her reason for, at least in part, to want to disassociate from being a visible man.
@@johnjohnston8590 Well, what you're saying is true, but the issue of safety is much more important for women in a sense that as a female I am more likely to be seriously harmed or killed if attacked by a man. Biology is a bitch. The only reason, statistically, more males are attacked, is because... they are attacked by other men, who, on average show more tendency to be aggressive and violent than women. If two guys disagree, the possibility of a fight is not far away. As to Debbie's reasons for dissociation from masculinity, I have no idea. People think in mysterious ways. What is important, though, Debbie accepts she's really a biological man, thus not denying reality.
@@adlernewman Yeah, I agree with your every word apart from the stats re being seriously harmed or killed. Last time I checked men were far likely to be seriously harmed or killed than women, albeit by other men. But I certainly agree Debbie is contributing to a more adult and nuanced debate, which is very encouraging.
@@johnjohnston8590 Yes you are right: men are more likely to be victims of physical violent crime. But I'd argue that it's not a fair test because the situations are very different.
@@haytond Yes, I'd guess that men generally are more likely to be involved in violence than women, not least because they are more likely to respond physically to a perceived threat or challenge while women on the whole avoid confrontation as far as possible. In fact, most women go to a good deal of trouble to avoid situations that involve risk of physical assault, partly because we are continually exhorted to do just that. Perhaps when women are victims of violence, it's more likely that they've been attacked for some reason involving sexual assault, domestic violence, mugging, etc., than that they have initiated or participated in a confrontation that becomes physical, while men are perhaps more likely to simply get into a fight with other men (obviously men are also subject to random attacks and domestic and sexual violence, so this is in addition to that risk). And the phrase 'victim of physical violent crime' presumably just means that someone was charged for injuring that individual, so includes those who are hurt in gang fights, drunken brawls, and other incidents where men are far more likely to be involved than women and where we are less likely to consider the injured party a 'victim' in the normal sense of the word, and so might imagine are excluded from this statistic. But I don't know whether stats are available with that kind of detail.
This is a really weird coincidence, but I was just reading the article that Debbie Hayton wrote back in 2018 for The Economist yesterday. An intelligent and nuanced perspective. The title of the article is "Gender identity needs to be based on objective evidence rather than feelings" for anyone interested in reading it.
Thank you for this title. I am interested in reading it.
Thank you for this info.
Phew that’s not likely anytime soon, these fields have become infested with radical intersectional feminist ideology and run by a bunch of women, who do not care about facts because they’re completely irrational as what they fight for is people’s feelings over reality.
Be careful of categorising events as coincidence.
@@retrojimmyx - I'm curious as to what you mean by that
This person deserves so much respect
Love her honesty and humanity. Her understanding and respect for biological women who remain being binary female are most commendable. We need more Debbie in this world that has gone absolute nutter.
Did you not notice the title of the piece and that the*Man*calling *himself*(for some inexplicable reason)Debbie, is making it plain that*He* is a Man* and not, repeat*not* a she*. Your queer religion really does stupefy you.
Did you no read the title of the piece?-The *Man* calling *himself* Debbie is *admitting* that *he* is a man-Read the title of the piece.
To whom are you referring when you say or write "love "her" honesty and humanity"? There are no women or beings of the passive sex or beings attracting the epithet she or her in the entire piece so who is the her to whom you refer in love her honesty - do you suppose that a poor tired old queer dressed up as woman is a woman or attracts the epithet her?
Do you not understand that the title of piece indicates that transwomen are men which are the words of the man dressed up as woman calling himself Debbie so in practice he is admitting that he is no more than some poor sad old queer dressed up as the woman and is in point of fact a man - or did you not managed to grasp that particular piece of information?
If by her you mean the sad old queen in a dress? he admits that he is a man or did you not read the title of the piece?
Debbie is a gem, she isn’t trying to force her ideals. She is saying this is what I think, take it or leave it. 🙏
I don't know if you noticed it, but the man calling himself Debbie concedes that he is a man - have a look at the title of the piece which reads it"Trans Women Are Men … Including Me
Do you not notice that it is a bloke and a particularly truthful bloke who accepts that he has some sort of paraphilia although whether or not he chose it is unclear, but then men (which term includes beings of the passive sex or women) are very much slaves of their functions and will tell any lie in pursuit of their slavery and indulge in any sort of self-deception. Did you not notice that the so-called "Debbie" concedes that he repeat he (not she) is a man, and in the case of that man, a paraphiliac man, probably an Autogynephiliac. Are you really so constrained by your career religion modernism to indulge any sort of self-deception whatsoever - supposing the man calling himself "Debbie" decided to identify as a small village in outer Mongolia or as a pot of geraniums; how exactly would you go about addressing a pot of geraniums?
Tiny point "Debbie is a He*, not a she; *He* is some poor sad caricature of a woman seeking to make the point which your queer religion seems to compel you to ignore namely that fake/fraud/trans women *Are Men.*including (says Debbie) me.
Why isn't she a Politician? She is speaking more sense than most of those in the House of Commons.
I think you answered your own question.
Looks like you answered your own question, mate.
I think you answered your own question.
He is
He. He’s just said he’s a man.
Dr. Debbie Heyton should be in charge of Government transgender policy across the board. Can’t think of anyone more qualified. Has lived as cis-male and trans-female and is a scientist who can distinguish “gender identity” (subjective) from “sex” (objective).
Thank goodness for a REAL trans person with COMMON SENSE. I can’t imagine anyone having issues with her anywhere. I say this as a cis-gendered biological female just slightly older than Debbie. Thanks you so much all three of you for this very important interview.
Dr. Beth Dyer
Did you not notice the title of the piece and that the*Man*calling *himself*(for some inexplicable reason)Debbie, is making it plain that*He* is a Man* and not, repeat*not* a she*. Your queer religion really does stupefy you.
As a biological woman I truly appreciate her point of view about the key to women's spaces. I have zero issues with using preferred pronouns and basic respect, human rights. What gets to me is a man charged with sexual crimes against women can transition and be allowed into female prison. I have an issue with an athletic biological male transitions then is breaking records and winning in women's sports. I don't see female to male Trans taking over men's sports and winning.
Until I see a woman with a mustache hit a 500 foot home run......
Whew!Thank God biological women can feel validated.
I was worried for awhile being a biological woman myself & all. Transgender women identify as female & present as female. It makes no sense for that to weigh on biological women's identity.
There are trans women who were unathletic weak men who would never out perform many women in sports but if a transwoman wants to participate in a sport why should they be forced to play it with other men
Why are we not seeing more unisex sports at this point in History???
There are transgender men who are body builders & are strong athletes & are as strong as any other man & you think they should compete with women who don't take testosterone?
@@delanaveirs3411 sorry but your argument is faulty. Of course you will always be able to find a woman that is stronger than a man but the reality is that, pound for pound, men are stronger, have bigger hearts and lungs, and have higher bone density.
We don't have more unisex sports because in a sport that favors these attributes men will dominate. This is one reason we have women's sports, so women can have the opportunity to play at a competitive level.
@@stacypastry2440 And the truth of the matter is that women have had to fight tooth and nail to get those sports funded and sponsored and appreciated, indeed to get them at all. Now we have to fight to keep biological males out of them. Crazy times.
OMG - a voice of pure sanity! Respect Debbie.
"We may put male privilege to the side, but we can take it back when we want it." That is very interesting take.
and very true
Which is one reason why the prison issue is so important: 1:02:45.
If you have ever wondered why transwomen have so much more political clout than women do, well, there is your answer.
@@mostlyholy6301 $$$$$$$$$$$$
@@mostlyholy6301 feminist inter sectionalists gave trans the power. Because the lie that they were more oppressed.
I think she’s the first trans woman I’ve seen who isn’t wearing a force field of makeup.
She’s not wearing womanhood like a costume. Glad to see it.
Ample bosom
@@sunshineand oh well 🙃
*He's
Did you not notice the title of the piece and that the*Man*calling *himself*(for some inexplicable reason)Debbie, is making it plain that*He* is a Man* and not, repeat*not* a she*. Your queer religion really does stupefy you.
lol Force Field!
She's presenting as a person I have respect for, intelligent, not angry but full of insight. Being her student would be a blessing. Logical, not a bully at all.
Oh yeah totally.
It's almost like she's tolerant or something, unlike most on the left.
It's clear that Debbie's sense of self worth is internal. She's not obsessed with what strangers think of her. Unfortunately, we live in a world where people no longer have to develope character and integrity for self worth. Self worth is now about social validation from Twitter based on politically correct words that we're called. If a complete stranger misgenders you, you no longer have any self worth. 😩
LoL psychological rape of one's students by wearing drag every day and using the women's toilets and insisting they call him 'miss' is NOT honest. He is a man, saying the right things, while harming his students and laughing when he uses the women's loos. Keep out you cavern gobbed cockfrocker. YWNBAW. He's tolerant? Wait until you deny him access to women's spaces. He's a degenerate pantysniffing transie prick of a MAN. Forever. Stop 'being kind' for the men in drag. Using their preferred anything is what got us into this fucking mess in the first place. #FuckYourPronouns #YWNBAW you will never be a woman. His mouth says 'yeah I know', but he takes his dick out and pisses in the women's. Bastard.
"Lying to children, telling them they can be the gender they choose" - best line here. . . And that's what's happening!!
As a child in the eighties boys and girls played in shorts and tee shirts and some girls had short hair, some boys had long hair.
Now I see the most gender stereotyped kids. All the girls have long hair, hair ribbons and frilled dresses and the boys have military haircuts and wear collared shirts. I think parents are terrified of the consequences of their kids showing any deviant behavior to their biological sex.
People can be any gender they choose. It's their sex they cannot choose. Sex is set in biology.
@@anitamaguire7640 your town must be the twilight zone. I don’t see this here in the northeast.
@@adrimcdougall9384 I don't live in Britain.
And what is different there? The 80s or the present.
@@anitamaguire7640 I’m in the northeast US. I mean now. I don’t see too much gender stereotyping in kids here.
I've never had a s3xual attraction to anybody. I like being alone and I'm generally pretty repulsed by the idea of s3x or s3xual contact. That's not to say I hate people. I have plenty of friends and I'm close to my family, but at the end of the day I like to go home by myself. I've never felt a romantic or s3xal attraction to anyone, and because of that all throughout my high school years people thought I was gay and in denial. That rumor, however, never bothered me, because there's nothing wrong with being gay and I knew I wasn't attracted to women. Years later, someone told me I was asexual, which as a descriptor sounds about right. That said, I don't identify as asexual because, as Debbie said, it really doesn't matter. I don't need people to know I'm asexual, and quite frankly it's none of their business. I don't need to be categorized to live however I want. I admit it's a bit annoying sometimes when people suggest there's something wrong with me or that I'm selfish because I don't want a relationship, but it still doesn't change the fact that I am who I am and I'm happy.
ha how on earth is it selfish for you not to want a rltshp? odd criticism
@@cheery-hex
I agree, it's a very odd criticism. But I've been told I'm selfish because I don't want to "share myself".
I think the idea that your selfish because you are choosing to do what you want is ridiculous. I feel like they are trying to push something they don't like about themselves into me.
@Cian MacGana
I'm a woman, and if I was gay I'd love sex, just with another woman. I have no interest in sex with anyone. I don't need it.
"I don't need to be categorized to live however I want" is rather concise.
Debbie is wonderful, smart and empathic. Focus on people's rights to do things rather than rights to be things. Everyone should have the right to be themselves as long as they aren't harming others. Help parents with rigid stereotypic notions about how male and female children should be. Great discussion. I bet you are a great teacher. I wish I had had teachers like you. Thank you!
Did you not notice that the title of the piece is the exact words of the*man* repeat*man*, calling himself Debbie and his exact words are: "transwomen are*men*, and (referring to*himself*) he says including me."
If only you had some vague idea of what a "right" is or could define a right, but you are about to demonstrate that you have absolutely*No* idea what a right is and cannot even begin to be able to define a right, because you have no idea what a right is.
"Everyone should have the right to be themselves as long as they aren't harming others"
Very stupid statement. Having him using women changing room is harming for women. Him forcing others to call him with some inadequate pronoun - is harming others
I'll explain it in other way why you're wrong and why harm has huge spectrum not only as physical harm
Here is my statement: Nudists should be allowed to express themselves and be who they feel they are. Teachers at school, factory workers, general public on streets. They are not harming anyone do they?
@@vhawk1951kl wth chill, you're acting really weird and silly
@@kalyasaify S ee if can translate that into coherent adult English, buy do bear in mind that I don't give a flying fcuk about the opinions my inferiors
She is telling the truth and owning her “disorder” for lack of another word, and is so eloquent in her explanation. Bravo. The best I’ve heard explaining the truth from a transgender who is scientific teacher. Brilliant. Thank you.
He
He
@@catherinehammond1519 You mean she.
@@humanadultfemale2133 You mean she.
@@yany3xkkrenii144
Lol i mean "he" cutie
Trans person here and watching this interview made me feel less alone.
This "transwomen are real women" stuff is only harmful for trans ppls. Our experiences are different to womens. We need our own space not to be invading womens spaces.
Yes. Your own space.
@@annabelgrace1267 I could be wrong, but I think that's what she said...
but you're not a man either
@@alexh6767 They are men biologically. However, they need their own space and not step into women's spaces.
@@Earnshawfully It is what was said, I am just agreeing,
My son said he wanted to be a girl when he was 4&5 occasionally. He's 7 now and he is very happy being a boy. I honestly belive it's just because he wanted to paint his nails and wear sparkles. I let him do that if he wanted to and his "desire" to be a girl faded away. Kids just want to have fun. Tell them only "x" can do that, they will say they are "x" or "identify" as "x" just to get to join in the fun.
yeah, he is eventually what he is...what happen in the process...we called that self-exploration/recognition and we will have go through this eventually either when are earlier during adolesence or later when we are adult, but better earlier than later.
This whole “gender identity” is just re-enforcing stereotypes.
@@jenniferluvines3557 I'm comfused do you mean testosterone not estrogen. Cause I know for the dad when sperm is made you need more calerys too make male sperm and girls you don't need that much. I would guess when baby forming the mom would need more food to progress the male fetous, by helping the carrying parent make more testosterone. So would it be a lack of testosterone in the brain. I know the brain is a strange thing my son is autistic very high on spectrum. But I don't know now I just know the parent that produces sperm decides sex of baby. Please don't take offence I'm just wondering.
I am a 28years old women. Long hair, slim and very proud to be a girl...but at age of 3 or 4 I told stangers at the supermarket that I am a boy. Everytime they told me: "oh you are such a pretty girl" and I said: "No! I am a boy!" My mother said nothing in this situations. Later when I was six, I wished I could be LIKE a boy. I wanted to be a boy, because I wanted to ride a bike, like a boy, could wear these cool clothes like a boy...I lOVE boy...so I wanted to be LIKE one. I am still a little bit like a tomboy a times.
@- Astor - I know what you mean. I thought boys would be and are allowed to be "cooler". A boy is not "pretty", he is brave or strong. I want to be brave and strong too. Pretty was just...you know, not epic.
An intelligent and well-spoken guest. This is the best discussion on the issues surrounding gender identity I've seen lately.
As the mother of a trans-son I love that Debbie speaks about this issue with clarity and reason. I acknowledge the truth that my child is both my biological daughter and also my transgender son. There is truth in both of those statements. There is a biological reality in terms of DNA and also a neurological reality in terms of gender disphoria and also the reality of the social perception of gender. My trans-son didn't transition until an adult and we both agree that medically transitioning children is dangerous.
Good to hear your experience. Although the odds are rather small that whenever I would conceive a child that they'd be trans, can I ask you: how exactly have you handled that with your trans-son from child to adult? For I imagine that there have been discussions with him during at least his teens. How did you manage to agree/let him see that it was best to wait till adulthood before making such a drastic decision?
@Burnt Matches and your point?
I'm sure its been challenging for you, is she happier now?
@@jessekos1859 sorry - errror, he.
@@vawncorrigan7330 you didn't make an error in using female pronouns to refer to a female. Don't apologise or capitulate to the deluded.
This trans woman actually makes sense. She is very in tune with her emotional/mental reasons for needing to transition without the need for validation from others. She has approached her transition very maturely. I am sure her children appreciate still being able to call her father.
Listening to her was like suddenly realizing you've been holding your breath and then letting go.. She just said everything I've been thinking but through thr prism of experience and crystal clearing reason.
Especially when she stated; "Call me what you want, it doesn't bother me". Really illustrated her understanding of others and self.
Man, a self confessed AGP. It's still disrespectful to women to call any man a woman. Why is legitimising a fetish AGP acceptable. Psychiatrists are failing to assist people to accept themselves.
@@56hendo57 agp isn't gender incongruence so it is true she is not feminised the way natal women are so it makes sense she says so ...hers is social and fashion based...people with gender incongruence are feminised similar to women but then masculinised...the body feels the feminine function is correct cause that is what it got first all after is forigne.
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My favourite thing Debbie said was "Every child doesn't quite fit in. Because we're all different".
But not that different .
@@keithwilkins1437 more different than you'll ever know actually keith
@@koopon3900 Hi A cryptic comment Koopon .
We are the same, the only difference is what we make it out to be
@@sonofsoweto We are not all the same .
More trans people need to come out showing this level of courage...much respect to this individual for coming forward and speaking up.
There are no more any" trans people" than there are any liar people or thief people
What a cripplingly beautiful conversation... These are the types of people we longed to hear from growing up... Reasonable, calm and clear...
Well done..
And not afraid to stand by what they believe
She's/he is PHENOMENAL at articulating her thoughts. This is profound. I wish more people had this amount of emotional intelligence trans and biological/ cis people in general
This makes a lot of sense. She is not denying who she was at birth, and is acknowledging this fact as a part of her. She's not all caught up in her pronouns and her appearance, and she clearly made her decision to transition for herself, her own mental health and to hell with what we all think.
read my back posts, she is an emulate and should never have been given surgery.
@@Crowley-qx8gn huh
All trans should acknowledge who they were at birth, the world be a better place
What really was revealing for me… and it says a lot about Hayton’s character… is that he’s happy he didn’t transition until much later, because otherwise he wouldn’t have had his children. That’s incredible. He’s so fulfilled in life, that’s why he doesn’t care what pronouns are given to him.
He’s got a family. And that’s what childhood transitioning is denying these trans children. No wonder so many de-transition.
Very solid, real, realistic and well-grounded person. A person very few people would ever have a problem with. Respect!
She is a physics teacher, so she is wired to make sound arguments
As a Christian I believe the truth matters. Whether it is hard or soft, it matters. I also believe that kindness and love matters. So my children are taught to be kind but we do not pretend people are something they are not. Debbie is incredibly self aware! Kind and wonderful! If the LGBTQ community were more like Debbie it would be much easier to mesh with in the day to day. I am so sorry for the mental health issues Debbie struggles with, however I appreciate the bravery of sharing these struggles! May God Bless you and guide your path, shelter your heart from a hateful world, and give you wisdom!
I love Debbie's ability to communicate clearly on a subject that can be so confusing to understand. What a beautiful person she is!
Yeah she was quite "based", as the kids say. XD I liked her a lot.
@@elainejohnson796 I'm sorry, what are you trying to say? It's not exactly clear.
Omg this person is an absolute legend. This is what I’ve always thought. Why should you give a flying SHIT what other people call you?!? It’s what you think of yourself that matters!
On the contrary, all that matters is what you *Are* the facts or truth; you can put lipstick on a pig but the fact or truth is that it *Is* a pig.*No* amount of fakery lying and pretending can make what in truth and fact is a pig anything*other* than a pig.
If these creatures are not ill or otherwise unwell why do they resort to doctors and butchers to mutilate them?
Do you suppose that doctors and surgeons treat the perfectly healthy?All that trans nonsense is lying and fakery; why would anyone wish to connive in what is *in_fact* lying and fakery Mad pansies that imagine(or rather deliberately deceive themselves) that they are women, insult women by *caricaturing* women, none of who chose or enjoy the travails of menstruation or the agonies of childbirth. Read the*title*of the piece
My pronouns are "I, me." Those are the pronouns I actually use. What other people use to refer to me in the third person is out of my control.
Surely if you think of yourself as the Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte, by all means buy a horse and call it Marengo and invade Russia, but do not expect t be bought a palace in Paris and to be called your Majesty.
Sonner or latter your train(the 8.55 to fantasy) is going to find itself on the same single track as the reality express, which is why mad pansies are found dead because they could not cope with the self deceit
;
You simple *cannot* cheat or lie to the sense of truth or with_knowledge. The body will not stand for it, the feelings will not stand for it and if the associative/dreaming apparatus goes off on a frolic of its own, the rest will*not* follow- It simply *cannot*. result: dead mad pansy.
If some loon supposes himself to be or thinks of himself as, a pot of geraniums or a polar bear, that makes said loon a pot of geraniums or polar bear, does it?
Why don't you" think of yourself" as a multimillionaire and see if you become a multimillionaire or a poor sad deluded patient in a lunatic asylum?
Nevertheless the fakes frauds or liars *do* care like crazy what they are called, and frequently not being able to live a fake fraud or lie, destroy their own existences and a very good thing too, but a constant daily diet of steroids is not exactly a recipe for health, so the monstrosities rarely live long. The only good fake fraud or liar being a dead fake fraud or liar.
My mother had a trans woman in her ladies catholic pray group back in the early eighties. She had been attending in our home for years and one day she announced she was trans. The other women told her they were surprised and had their tea and cake. It never can up again.
id you not notice that the title of the piece is the exact words of a*man* repeat*man*, calling himself Debbie and his exact words are: "transwomen are*men*, and (referring to*himself*) he says including me."
@@vhawk1951kl dude....get over the seMANtics, lol! It's a cute story, you don't need to get political all over it. Calm down.
@@imchuckbass4757 Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery but you flatter me to much.
@@vhawk1951kl lol, okay, that was a good comeback, I'll give you that🤣
@@imchuckbass4757 Tiny tip: Try not to use words with the meaning of which you are clearly not familiar and don't laugh at your own jokes because if you do you come across not just as pathetic but infantile, and do not only embarrass yourself but others.
Great to see someone earning the respect by being respectful, insightful, intellectual, with common sense in making the argument and such confidence in her own skin when answering questions. My hats off to her. 💯🙏🏾 great talk. 🙏🏾
You mean him
well said
The whole premises of " I present myself and society responds to me " is exactly how it has been forever and she is so correct calling out others for trying to tell others this is how you should think and react. She's great.🥰
@Bobby Sternlicht what do u mean by this? Like black Americans are still secretly slaves?? Or something else, seems interesting wyd be cool to get a reply chur
@Bobby Sternlicht thanks for that, it's the same in my country with my maori people (native of nz) it's sad because general population have been raised with lies about the history of nz as I'm sure it was the same in USA. (Not the same as in slavery in my case, it's colonization)
It reminds me about when they called me ugly or dumb and I would cry to my mom and she would ask me: is it true? Do you believe them? I would usually say no and feel completely good about myself. I love that she never put the emphasis on controlling what people say or do but how you feel about yourself.
Smart mom!
Yeah you had an awesome mom. Copy that.
nice nice
your mama is a smart cookie .
I love that
For someone who has claimed they have had deep physiological issues and could no longer live life as s man, she most certainly sounds very well grounded, her confidence and self - acceptance is astounding. She is saturated in so much common sense it is difficult not to be riveted to her every word.
id you not notice that the title of the piece is the exact words of a*man* repeat*man*, calling himself Debbie and his exact words are: "transwomen are*men*, and (referring to*himself*) he says including me."?
There are only*Men*in the piece , not one single woman or she. Those that se what is not there are insane, as are those that suppose themselves to be what they are not.
Do you make a habit of calling men she?
There is no she in the piece the title of which you either have not read or because of some insane religious mania wilfully ignore.
If he could no longer live his life as what hew was or is, namely a man why did he not kill himself?
Year 2041:
What do you identify as?
What is your personal alignment?
What is your authentic orientation?
What is your uniquely distinctive affiliation?
What is your individualized characterization?
What is your experiential manifestation?
What is your idiosyncratic temperament?
What is your physiological disposition?
What is your predisposed inner-mentality?
What is your prominently distinctive personalization?
What is your self-truth fulfilment?
What is your behavioral affixation?
What are your interior attributed effectualizations?
What is your soul center?
What is your external projection?
What is your innate, self-selected categorization?
What is your philosophical idealized trajectory?
What is your cerebral-psychological classification?
What is your genome acclimatization?
What celestial embodiment do you gravitate towards?
"Don't worry, just a few more forms and you can get your driver's license. All of this will be displayed right on the back so everyone will be able to know the real you! And it's important so that none of our correspondence, callers, advertisements, or department representatives ever offend you, you unmeltable little snowflake!"
Sounds like a questionnaire to spot out replicants.
this comment deserve many more likes
@@cochoseable we never know what those replicants are up to.
Haha omg
I don't even know how to respond to those questions lmao
I was taught physics by Dr Hayton many years ago. He was an amazing teacher who inspired us with a love of physics. I often think of him when I plan my lessons now.
Hi. Please send me a DM via my Twitter account if you want to get in touch. I remember you well if you are who you think you are from your handle.
❤️
@@haytond can i piggy back this comment to say how damned refreshing this has been . I will be sharing this interview as you make so many thorny issues crystal clear for people who are just trying to get their heads round a concept which is very new to them. So many potential “ allies” are lost because they have been bullied for making a mistake over pronouns or new concepts. So many older people are just getting their heads round gay marriage!🙂 To be told that a self identifying man is a woman and that it is now socially unacceptable to deny the scientific inaccuracy of this statement , is bewildering to many people . I don’t think there was one thing you said that I couldn’t understand or that I disagreed with. Hurrah for you Debbie!
@@haytond I find this very bizarre, bath ok you are free do think what you wont. Bath you are nobody to talk for all trans people. Not all trans people have your experiences nether have you theirs.
@@emytann7838 so she should not speak at all? I don't think she ever at any point claimed to be speaking for anyone but herself. And she's more than welcome to do so.
"People want to identify out of their sex. You can no more identify out of your height or of your age."
Debbie is speaking truth.
Really? Changing my license 6' tomorrow. Thank you
Really? Changing my license 6' tomorrow. Thank you
42:20: "Women's rights have been compromised, and they can be reclaimed. But if children's bodies have been damaged, they're damaged for life. And they only have one body. And that is something, as adults we need to take responsibility for that."
His maleness is showing here, implying that women can't be damaged for life by their rights being compromised, or that it doesn't matter. As far as I know women only have one body and one life, too.
@@uterushaver8309 That does not say that women can't be damaged for life. Saying one thing is true does not mean all others are false. It's a simple statement of fact.
Debbie is the spokesperson for herself alone.
This Hero brought me tears by simply being a rational human being.
Thank you Debbie and keep on grooving
I'd be proud to know and call Debbie Hayton a friend, we need more people that.
The problem I have is I’m not allowed to just be a woman...I am labelled as a cis woman, why ? I dint ask for it 🤷♀️
same on the cis male front....not my pronoun of choice so 'progressives' are bigots!
The same reason your shoe size and clothing sizes have names/numbers, and that you have a nationality. To define them as being distinct from other things. It needn't generate any controversy.
@@andybaldman Why shouldn't it? Women are women. Transwomen are men. It really is that simple.
@@andybaldman trans women should be defined as being distinct. Hence "trans woman". To label over half the population "cis" just so trans women can be "included" in the word "woman" which has turned into a weird umbrella term now, pisses a lot of women off.
@@VAMR-vc7xg No, it isn't that simple. Trans women are humans who possess mental characteristics of a woman, and physiology of a man. Calling trans people one or the other doesn't capture the whole picture, regardless of how you slice it. And when you're having a discussion, there's a need to delineate trans vs non-trans. Hence the word cis. The same reason we have men and women, and don't just call them men and non-men.
Brilliant, I love that he did not gaslight his children. They still call him dad....🙌🏽
Yes they do. Though my elder son describes himself as "the man of the house" :-)
@@haytond High five from another gal in physics! (I was psyched to hear you’re a physics teacher as a physics grad student).
@@haytond thank you, so very much, for this insightful, honest, grace-filled interview.
Most transwomen who have older children keep the Dad Title... they’re the same person. The only time in my experience the parental pronouns change is when the child is young and the other spouse leaves. Then taking in the Mother’s role makes sense for the child’s sake.
@@haytond Beautiful speech you had there Debbie, very refreshing. I love how you go straight to the origin of what's considered a problem to point out some things are not a problem at all and we're just making it so by ourselves. I always shared your points but i just couldnt ever put them into words, i feel a bit more educated now
I like her. Yes, usually i dont use preferred pronounce because i dont want to be forced. Here, i extend the courtesy because she earned my respect
It is not "courtesy" to connive in a *Lie*; it is the kind of stupidity that only some queer religion could induce in an otherwise sane being.
Finally someone with a healthy attitude, who doesn't care if you use the "wrong" pronoun.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, Debbie. Please never stop talking about this. You are literally saving lives and I know of no one else who is doing it with this type of grace, humility, and razor sharp logic.
Mad respect for the self-awareness here.
these are the transgender people i fully respect and tolerate. i have no issues with people who suffer from gender dysophoria in general - but i damn sure dispise delusional people who claim that men can get a period or birth to a child.
For trans simply read fake fraud liar or caricature, but monstrosity serves as well.
If you respect fakes frauds liars caricatures or monstrosities there is something as wrong with you as there is with such fakes frauds liars or caricatures cum monstrosities, which fortunately rarely live long because truth will not be mocked.
He will be dead soon anyway because such monstrosities have to take steroids for the rest of their thankfully short lives to maintain the fake fraud lie or caricature. The only good fake fraud or liar is a dead fake fraud or liar.
The real puzzle is why your queer religion makes saced cows out of fakes frauds liars and monstrosities and perversions
Who is claiming that?
@@xavierathornewell they're talking about FTM bio females
This person is wonderful! This person is doing a good job for trans community, not woke idiots.
When he said he was glad he didn’t transition as a child because he would have never had his children. That really brought tears to my eyes. This is my real concern giving children cross sex hormones and cutting up their bodies.
Especially since we as a species are already not procreating enough as we always have in the past. That really scares me, and makes me sad for these kids..
@@taragosney7995 This, I believe, is why it's being pushed. Same old eugenics, different strategy.
Issues like this remind me of one anger management mantra, "I can’t control what you do, I can only control what I do." It always makes me wonder why people so desperately need to control the words and actions of others, and are they in the need of anger management training?
Because it affirms THEM. Misogyny is all
They're behaving like the entitled males they are who seek control over women's bodies. Basic.
Some AGP and narcissists are.
Immaturity
Narcissism.
What an amazing person with such a beautiful straight forward sensible way! Massive respect,! There's a lot of people could learn so much listening to this lovely soul x
About 44 minutes, I thought about this. When he was 3 years old, my oldest son wanted to be a princess, so we let him. The week after he wanted to be a dinosaur. He's still a boy three years later.
Also good to hear from Debbie. She's a calm voice of reason in a world of crazy.
a boy dinosaur I hope
@@caitm8209 He didn't specify :D
My son put on my dress and walked around the house, we don't identify anything with gender. He wanted My make up and I did tell him that's only mommies, even daddy doesn't get to use it.
@@caitm8209 what difference does it make?
@@notthefather3919 He's still a boy, but I hope it is a boy dinosaur specifically.
What an incredibly sane person. Inspirational.
the fact that being "sane" is now "inspirational" is a sad reflection on our society 😂
@@AngryPanda. never mind that the Overton Window in terms of 'sane' is way, way the f'k in outer space at this point.
"Sane" , yeah right.. If you think he's sane, you're delusional
@@TheMan-it7px If he was sane, he wouldn't cosplay as a woman
The weird thing about trying to invent a category for every identity under the sun is that is does the exact opposite of what it is claiming to do. Instead of supporting individuality and self expression it just seems to be a another effort of forcing everyone in a neat little box, even if those boxes are more diverse. A box is still a box. It just speaks to societies neurotic needs to control and uniformity.
Trans peopol actually did fight for having their " condition" accepted as trans , they didnt want to be confused with gay or dragqueen. Its actually help to feel reconized for who they are , and now we wanna say it is no difference ? 🙈 I feel like the real trans get it , the one who doesnt are ,on my opinion of course , mostly there for the trend
@@mimipicard9879 I don't debate trans identity at all or the need for it be recognized on its own, far from it. I am not trying to deny anyone's identity, even though I myself never really felt like I need to adopt an exact label to describe who I am, but I do get it why it is important for visibility and being able to have a voice.
My comment was meant for the 70+ new pronouns and different gender identities (maybe more, I stopped counting). There is a point, when trying to stick a label everything on the spectrum starts to defeat the purpose. It is a spectrum for a reason. There will always be people who do not fit into any of the categories. Do we just keep on inventing new labels? I think we should just stick to the generally recognized ones (which of course includes trans) and keep in mind that it is a generalization, and gender is always a spectrum.
@@mimipicard9879 I agree about the "trend," a friend of mine is F to M and that's what he has been speaking about. He wanted to be a man. He got that. He doesn't want to need lumped in as being just "trans" instead. He didn't go through hell for years to get there, to be told the post moved and he has to be happy about it. He's largely been ostracized by the liberals in his "community," or they say the most horrific things to him. I admire his strength, to stand up and say "I don't agree with you" in the face of the level of *hate* he gets.
You mean the need to UNDERSTAND, DIFFERENTIATE, AND REFERENCE?! 🤨
@Mary H
That's TRANS people and their supporters.
Stop calling them liberals.
This is only social politics, not actual politics.
And correlation isn't causation-
You can be trans and conservative. Look at 'Caitlyn' Jenner.
I am a trans since 1999 and totally agree with her.
Accepting the truth is bravery that leads to a confident life rather than lying to yourself and pretending to be someone else.
The guest brings up an excellent point about using women. As a feminist I see that now men are even redefining what it means to be a woman. This is the ultimate transgression against woman and girls!
Sex and gender appropriation
Absolutely true about women being dismissed in meetings....very frustrating. I've worked in a male dominated industry my entire career and have learned to deal with it by being just as rude to the men that dismiss me or talk over me. A pointed "Excuse me, I wasn't finished," while staring them down usually works!
Yes sure
I'm in the same industry and its dominated by rude women who interrupt and talk over men.
Lol
Bit like this interview really. How many women say that transwomen are men get burnt at the stake? A man says it and he's suddenly amazingly insightful and honest.
If you have something constructive to say, sex doesn't enter into it
such a wise person...love the way she has such a smart,healthy approach
Did you not notice that the title of the piece is the exact words of a*man* repeat*man*, calling himself Debbie and his exact words are: "transwomen are*men*, and (referring to*himself*) he says including me".
In short: "Debbie is a *He*.
If only people that suppose themselves to be what they are*Not* would suppose themselves to be birds and would go to the tops of cliffs or very tall buildings and test out their supposition by flying off the top of them.
This is the first time I feel comfortable with being confronted with trans issues, Debbie Hayton is articulate and very feminine and so very acceptable.
There are many reasonable trans folks out there. Miranda Yardley is one for example.
Check out Blaire White!
'Why did women set up doors to men if anyone can cut there own key' is an interesting point well phrased.
yes
She's asking all the right questions and answering them rightfully. Respect earned.
@@venusbonjour9303 I'm not playing your game.
@@venusbonjour9303 Moot point
Debbie, you are the role model for so many confused folks. Really enjoyed hearing what you had to say! Thanks
Finally someone who speaks sense. Just be who you want, you can't force people to treat you how you want. And you shouldn't make people think about concepts that don't bother them, it's confusing a whole generation.
Indeed, "its confusing a whole generation",...and it might be somewhat confusing for the following.
That's a lot of words for Im an asshole who's not willing to try and understand social construct
This is why I love this channel. Meaningful conversations with interesting, fascinating people. This channel keeps moving from strength to strength.
Very elegant, classy and smart person! Thank you for inviting her! Voice of reason amongst the recent madness
I have the utmost respect for her. If the trans community were reflective of this there would NOT be such an outrage against them.
I love that Debbie easily expresses her thoughts without any persuasions. She doesn't want to convince anybody to think in certain way of a certain topic. She rocks.👏
I feel like I could actually sit and have a mature conversation with this woman, good on her for speaking her mind and truth
He's a man. He is not any kind of woman. By his own admission he is an autogynephilic fetishist.
@@ivybooks5847 I know that this person is a man biologically, transitioning does not change one's biological gender. But this person showed self-awareness and clear understanding that if one does not physically present as a man or woman it is silly to expect people to identify you as such. But this person presents well as a woman PHYSICALLY, so I am more inclined to use "woman" to describe this individual as such.
@Bobby Sternlicht He has wrecked his wife and most likely his kids, in the service of his sexual fetish--a fetish he has publicly admitted to. I'd call that pretty mean-minded.
This is a very important conversation, thank you for having it. And thank you Debbie for your common sense approach.
As the kids say, she is based. What an excellent and articulate guest.
I was actually expecting to be "triggered" (lol) by this, but I like hearing things from people who may not necessarily agree with me. However, her comment about seeking validation from society was perfect. If you're so comfortable in who you are, it shouldn't matter what society thinks of you.
This is PHENOMENAL
Hi transphobe ; just because you found a trans woman willing to label herself a man is meaningless but go off :D
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“Hi Transphobe”!
Lol
@@DAN_ZEMAN Hi transphobe #2 :)
@@AAA-cc4pg So are you calling Debbie a 'transphobe' too? Wow, how disrespectful!
I'm transgender and I use English Pronouns. Gender is immaterial to me. When the English language eventually assimilates a neutral form of pronoun to cover all gender identities, I'll adopt it. So far it hasn't. Call me anything you like but don't call me before four a.m. Debbie talks a lot of sense. Trans people used to just get on with their lives with very little abuse in the noughties but it got worse in the teenies as other political organisations started to climb on the band-waggon. I'm a 75-year-old post-op transgender but I just kept it quiet and got on with my life as best I could.
Thanks for the historical insight xx
There is a gender neutral pronoun: singular "they".
'Where's X?'
"Oh, they've gone up the shop".
It's not some new thing that's been invented, it's been around for like, centuries. So congrats, there's a gender neutral pronoun that covers everything! And always has been.
What a great trans woman I applaud her.
He's the most sensible transwoman I've heard talking. If he's happy with his body then that's all that matters. At least he's sensible enough to realise that he's not a woman.
"You've got these feelings. they're not your fault you've got these feelings. you can't be a girl because you're a boy, but lets have a look and see how we can help you become comfortable with yourself" what a spectacular quote. I don't quite agree with everything Debbie has said, but I think he really nails it on this quote.
I am curious. What parts do you disagree with?
@@pramodabandaru3566 basically, I think that undergoing procedures to make yourself appear more like the sex you were not born as is a bit of a failure to accept yourself as you were born. but that is just my personal attitude toward it and not something I think should be forced on others. If doing so helps that person, that's generally a good thing
Thank you.
@@haytond altho I'm not for woke/pc culture, i find theheebs100's comment a bit mean
@@user-ji8ll1qn6o theheebs100 has said that it is a personal attitude/opinion. But you also have the right to your opinion in calling it mean. Both opinions are just critiques, not insults or slander.
yet again....a discussion you'll never see on any main stream media outlet......well done chaps, proper journalism in my view.