One small problem: I cant see how China will somehow recover and be able to unitedly fight back against the soviets from that many nukes being dropped on them.
@@oldchannelnotusedanymore Yea, but that's still like 200 million people (not counting the fallout)and most of the CCP gone, even if Mao survived China will collapse in an instant
So I’m trying to figure out, by the time of the end of the video Soviet strategic forces would have been heavily attrited and focused on the Far East. I’m assuming that US-NATO launches a first strike, but I doubt the world will end. Even in our timeline, the US maintained nuclear superiority well into the 70s. Accounting for the likely hyperinflation of the US nuclear forces following the outburst of the conflict and the depletion of Soviet arsenals alongside their lack of readiness against the West, I’d estimate the first strike would be highly successful. At most, probably around 1,000 warheads would be launched at the West. It would be debilitating but not apocalyptic, while the Soviet Union would be totally annihilated. If anything, having the world end seems unrealistic even in this scenario.
Good to see your upload again! Would've been great to see next part of Postap Asia at last. Would've been perfect if it was in old style (since it is way more readable , enjoyable , and you could actually hear the music without pausing every 5-10 seconds) , but this may be too much to ask for and I would watch it either way
Oh noted! I guess the original editing style had its merits in some ways, I do want to continue the post apocalyptic series, but I'm very impulsive and new ideas just interest me much more. As these videos are very demanding to make, so I do want to have fun making them as well :)
@@TheZhuangziAcademyAlso one more question. What does the Chinese newspaper say when the entirety of China is nuked at around the end of the video? It's in Chinese.
This scenario is extremely unrealistic, here is why: 1. China would completely collapse from the initial onslaught. Their cities, industry, infrastructure, logistic centers and military bases would be annihilated, rendering china unable to hold itself together, let alone defend itself against the militarily superior russians. 2. Chinese civillian casualties would be WAY higher. ITL, China would lose AT LEAST 75 million chinese from the initial onslaught ITSELF. In 1960's, vast majority of china's population lived in the countryside, where there were no fallout shelters. this means that between 100 to 200 million chinese would die from the fallout and radioactive poisoning. However, most people would die from the nuclear winter and famine. ITL, the nuking happened at the beginning of the harvest season. what do i mean by that, is that with crops contaminated by the fallout in the first few months after the nuking, and then decimated as the nuking and fallout destroyed the fertile soil, the chinese populace across the nation would be unable to harvest the crops in the years following the nuking, leading to pretty much the deadliest famine humanity has ever seen, far deadlier than the great leap forward. At least 200 million chinese would die from it. In conclusion, china would lose from 400 to 475 million of their citizens. the population of china was 796 million at that time, meaning that china would lose more than half of it's population. 3. There's no way in hell that russia and brezhnew will get away with it. pretty much the entire world will be engulfed in the fallout, leading to the UN taking actions against russia. and with the harrowing consequences of this war exposed, russia would pretty much become a pariah state, get kicked out from UN, and get sanctioned and embargoed to oblivion. The UN would also do everything in it's power to help the chinese. 4. China would be unable to conscript 15 million soliders into the war due to reasons i mentioned in the first point. 5. There would be no casual tactical and carpet nuking. Not only is that the russians would rather resort to napalm and chemical carpet bombing if they would encounter strong resistance, but also because they wouldn't want to waste nukes. Russians would rather resort to tactical nuking if either the war was dragging on for too long, or if they would start getting pushed back. They would resort to carpet nuking ONLY if they were near defeat (which they wouldn't be). 6. Rather than the war ending in a worldwide nuclear war and everyone losing, this war would end up in a draw. Russians would be unable to push any further due to nuclear winter, terrible logistics and scarce resources, whereas china would be unable to push back due to reasons i mentioned in the first point. Either way, the war would end quietly, without a truce nor a peace treaty. China would end up completely breaking down and falling into anarchy, whereas the Soviet Union would incorporate territories north of Yangtze river (except west Hubei, Sichuan, south Shanxi, Quinghai and Tibet) and turn it into a another SSR.
may i ask where you get your maps from? (in case i ever want to do random things with maps too) also keep up the work, these videos are like a breath of fresh air compared to other types of alt history videos
I know you already have a project in mind for a new video but I was wondering if you would like an idea in the near future that came to mind while reading a post on quora: China in the young Ming dynasty prospers with the jianwen emperor in command of the empire, but in the late 14th century the Timurid empire commanded by tamerlane who has the aspiration to control the Ming dynasty and does not want to pay tribute to the emperor , so Tamerlane starts gathering resources by plundering Indian cities and seeking cooperation with the Northen Yuan Dynasty (successfully)! In late summer 1399, Tamerlane, seeing China fighting against the Yongle Emperor's Jingnan Rebellion, gave up attacking the Ottoman Empire and decided to raise an army of 130,000-150,000 troops accompanied by the allied Northern Yuan Dynasty with 35,000-40,000 cavalry troops with which he will relieve some Manchurian loyalists with him. Thanks for reading it, in any case if you don't like it tell me that I also have other ideas to do.
One problem is that NATO would have annihilated the USSR whilst the Soviets could only launch limited strikes at that point. Much of their arsenal was used on the Chinese.
2:21 Meaning of the poem in the Chinese News section Yao and Shun resisted, and the sky was thin. The jealousy of the slanderers has given them the false name of unkindness. I hate the beauty of pleasure, but I love the happiness of a good wife. People are practicing impatiently and the sun is advancing, and the beauty is beyond the distance and beyond the strides.
I think a remake of this should have a more realistic ending where the Soviet nuking of China immediately sends China into a not so messy warlord era while the ROC supported by the US and other pro-US nations rebel within the PRC and also launch multiple amphibious invasions. And at the same time which you did in the video the Soviets would launch an invasion through Xinjiang and Manchuria. Basically ending in a joint invasion. The country may be divided along the Yangtze river or higher up at the borders of Xinjiang, Manchuria, and Inner Mongolia. With this we could see a Manchurian Soviet Republic, an East Turkestan Soviet Republic, and possibly have Inner Mongolia merging with Mongolia itself eventually joining the USSR. Manchuria could also be merged with the rest of Soviet occupied China as the Chinese Soviet Republic too. But I think Tibet could also gain its independence as a neutral country becoming a part of the non-aligned 3rd world bloc. Oh and for the south simply the Republic of China.
The Yangtze River cannot stop anyone. Eventually one army will rule the whole of China. Either Turkestan-China, Kuomintang KMT China（the Republic of China） or the Second Mongolian Yuan Empire or Soviet Mongolian China. In the era of cold weapons, the Yangtze River could not be used as a geographical dividing line to maintain the demarcation of the two regimes. The Mongols, the Manchus of the Qing Dynasty, the more ancient Qin Empire, the Han Empire, and the Three Kingdoms era all had an army that crossed the Yangtze River to rule the entire country. The division of national boundaries along the Yangtze River has never been able to last for more than a few decades. This was also true in the cold weapons era. In the modern firearms era, the same was true in the civil wars between the Qing Empire vs. the Taiping Rebellion and the Kuomintang vs. the Communist Party. This line of defense is too fragile.
One small problem: I cant see how China will somehow recover and be able to unitedly fight back against the soviets from that many nukes being dropped on them.
China has a lot of people, I assume the soviets would only nuke the cities at the start
@@oldchannelnotusedanymore Yea, but that's still like 200 million people (not counting the fallout)and most of the CCP gone, even if Mao survived China will collapse in an instant
@@oldchannelnotusedanymore Wouldn't really matter how many people they have since most of their industry would be in ruins
I agree
Brezhnev would be considered comparable or even worse than Hitler and Stalin could even dream of being !!
2:27 Losses - Incalculable
that is terifing
Taboritsky would be proud
Taboritsky: "Alexiey is definitively hiding somewhere in china!"
NO! Alexei is in Neptune!
Really interesting video, I’d like to see the rest of the war played out!
glad you liked it!
Again, an excellent video, one of the best mappers out there!
Finally you came back! We all love your videos, please, don’t make us wait 6 months anymore :(
Hopefully I can upload more often in the future... but no promises :(
@@TheZhuangziAcademyit's been a year man 😢
I know that this scenario its very irrealistic but Dear God, this is absoltly terryfing, in special for the final, great job.
Good to see you back after 6 months! This is certainly a very interesting scenario.
Its not really though is it
Thanks for coming back so quickly! Thank you I hope you enjoyed!
@@justincheung5574 You love to hate me
@@TheZhuangziAcademy you're just too easy to hate.
@@justincheung5574 Are you liking your own comments again
So I’m trying to figure out, by the time of the end of the video Soviet strategic forces would have been heavily attrited and focused on the Far East. I’m assuming that US-NATO launches a first strike, but I doubt the world will end. Even in our timeline, the US maintained nuclear superiority well into the 70s. Accounting for the likely hyperinflation of the US nuclear forces following the outburst of the conflict and the depletion of Soviet arsenals alongside their lack of readiness against the West, I’d estimate the first strike would be highly successful. At most, probably around 1,000 warheads would be launched at the West. It would be debilitating but not apocalyptic, while the Soviet Union would be totally annihilated. If anything, having the world end seems unrealistic even in this scenario.
You’re probably right! That’s also why I left the ending ambiguous as I never explicitly state or show the entire world ending lol
Nice one!, Though i expected this to turn into some kind of Soviet Vietnam but incalculably worse
That is indeed what happened!
@@TheZhuangziAcademy With the rest of the world ending as a plus
Good to see your upload again! Would've been great to see next part of Postap Asia at last. Would've been perfect if it was in old style (since it is way more readable , enjoyable , and you could actually hear the music without pausing every 5-10 seconds) , but this may be too much to ask for and I would watch it either way
Oh noted! I guess the original editing style had its merits in some ways, I do want to continue the post apocalyptic series, but I'm very impulsive and new ideas just interest me much more. As these videos are very demanding to make, so I do want to have fun making them as well :)
Your channel is too much underrated. Best thing that couod happen to me was finding this channel at the beginning of 2025.
Quite a fascinating scenario. I really dig it!
Glad you liked the video!
Was the strike on Hong Kong accidental?
Yuup, big USSR oof
@@TheZhuangziAcademyAlso one more question. What does the Chinese newspaper say when the entirety of China is nuked at around the end of the video? It's in Chinese.
@@Kakashi_Senseiofficial Losses: Incalculable
@@TheZhuangziAcademy There goes 85% of Hong Kong's entire population... 😔
I like you added news perspectives. I might do this on my scenarios
hahah you should! but i hate the extra work!
This scenario is extremely unrealistic, here is why:
1. China would completely collapse from the initial onslaught. Their cities, industry, infrastructure, logistic centers and military bases would be annihilated, rendering china unable to hold itself together, let alone defend itself against the militarily superior russians.
2. Chinese civillian casualties would be WAY higher. ITL, China would lose AT LEAST 75 million chinese from the initial onslaught ITSELF.
In 1960's, vast majority of china's population lived in the countryside, where there were no fallout shelters. this means that between 100 to 200 million chinese would die from the fallout and radioactive poisoning.
However, most people would die from the nuclear winter and famine. ITL, the nuking happened at the beginning of the harvest season. what do i mean by that, is that with crops contaminated by the fallout in the first few months after the nuking, and then decimated as the nuking and fallout destroyed the fertile soil, the chinese populace across the nation would be unable to harvest the crops in the years following the nuking, leading to pretty much the deadliest famine humanity has ever seen, far deadlier than the great leap forward. At least 200 million chinese would die from it.
In conclusion, china would lose from 400 to 475 million of their citizens. the population of china was 796 million at that time, meaning that china would lose more than half of it's population.
3. There's no way in hell that russia and brezhnew will get away with it. pretty much the entire world will be engulfed in the fallout, leading to the UN taking actions against russia. and with the harrowing consequences of this war exposed, russia would pretty much become a pariah state, get kicked out from UN, and get sanctioned and embargoed to oblivion.
The UN would also do everything in it's power to help the chinese.
4. China would be unable to conscript 15 million soliders into the war due to reasons i mentioned in the first point.
5. There would be no casual tactical and carpet nuking. Not only is that the russians would rather resort to napalm and chemical carpet bombing if they would encounter strong resistance, but also because they wouldn't want to waste nukes.
Russians would rather resort to tactical nuking if either the war was dragging on for too long, or if they would start getting pushed back. They would resort to carpet nuking ONLY if they were near defeat (which they wouldn't be).
6. Rather than the war ending in a worldwide nuclear war and everyone losing, this war would end up in a draw. Russians would be unable to push any further due to nuclear winter, terrible logistics and scarce resources, whereas china would be unable to push back due to reasons i mentioned in the first point.
Either way, the war would end quietly, without a truce nor a peace treaty. China would end up completely breaking down and falling into anarchy, whereas the Soviet Union would incorporate territories north of Yangtze river (except west Hubei, Sichuan, south Shanxi, Quinghai and Tibet) and turn it into a another SSR.
Not reading allat 🤦♂️🤣
@@orionstarsz ok dumb kid
so real
The legend is back
Hahaha hope you enjoyed!
I loved the propaganda in the bottom of each country's box. You earned a sub, what a strange but interesting video
Chinese getting decimated yet fighting like lions is a pretty realistic touch
thank youuu
Awesome video!
Glad you enjoyed it Su Jiang!
the tone shift took me off guard
Ahahaha yeah it was meant to be super sudden
Another video uploaded, another great day
Thanks for returning! Hope you enjoyed!
may i ask where you get your maps from? (in case i ever want to do random things with maps too)
also keep up the work, these videos are like a breath of fresh air compared to other types of alt history videos
Oh I get the basemaps from QGIS and then trace them in paint.net
@@TheZhuangziAcademy thanks!
How TF are Soviet troops able to advance across all that radioactive wasteland?
Maybe Paratroopers?
Please upload "The Later Three Kings" video. Its scenario is very interesting
Sure, I think it won’t take too long to briefly edit it, but as I said, it’s kind of a low quality idea
@@TheZhuangziAcademyAre you still active?
The Emperor had returned after six long months! I'm glad to see you again
Yoyoyo hello Yulio! Glad to see you again, I hope you liked the video!
Finland certainly does rule this timeline
finnish irredentism
What if the us and ussr intervened in the chinese civil war
Korean war but in China???
Great job ❤❤
Thank youu!
厉害 厉害👍
多谢多谢
I just noticed that Karelia somehow went back to Finland, or at least isn't in the Soviet Union anymore. What that a mistake?
i forgor
So we got:
-Finland won the Winter War
-Vietnam is fall under Capitalist, or South Vietnam still exist
Yeah seems the Soviets lost karelia
做得好，牛🎉
I know you already have a project in mind for a new video but I was wondering if you would like an idea in the near future that came to mind while reading a post on quora:
China in the young Ming dynasty prospers with the jianwen emperor in command of the empire, but in the late 14th century the Timurid empire commanded by tamerlane who has the aspiration to control the Ming dynasty and does not want to pay tribute to the emperor , so Tamerlane starts gathering resources by plundering Indian cities and seeking cooperation with the Northen Yuan Dynasty (successfully)!
In late summer 1399, Tamerlane, seeing China fighting against the Yongle Emperor's Jingnan Rebellion, gave up attacking the Ottoman Empire and decided to raise an army of 130,000-150,000 troops accompanied by the allied Northern Yuan Dynasty with 35,000-40,000 cavalry troops with which he will relieve some Manchurian loyalists with him.
Thanks for reading it, in any case if you don't like it tell me that I also have other ideas to do.
DUDE THAT'S A LOT OF NUKES
One problem is that NATO would have annihilated the USSR whilst the Soviets could only launch limited strikes at that point. Much of their arsenal was used on the Chinese.
True! Well I left the ending ambiguous for a reason
End of the world, because despite this showing the USSR using majority nuclear weapons, a god chunk of it was still pointed at the West...
Why is the soviet union missing the regions of karelia and kola
i forgor
wowWWWW he posted!!!
Yeyeyeye yeeeee hawww
2:21 Meaning of the poem in the Chinese News section
Yao and Shun resisted, and the
sky was thin. The jealousy of the
slanderers has given them the false name of
unkindness. I hate the beauty of pleasure,
but I love the happiness of a good wife.
People are practicing impatiently and
the sun is advancing, and the beauty is beyond
the distance and beyond the strides.
what did the text say on the end
Are you referring to the red text? If so that just said uncountable for in Russian and Chinesee
Why did you not uploading?😢😢😢
whats the name of the outro music?
Mongolia: this is fine
protected by tengri
What? So what happened after a stray ICBM hit hong kong? What did america and britain do
What video is this from?
That's original.
I made it dawg
real
@@TheZhuangziAcademy great video man
“The Chinese Genocide” 💀💀💀
sound change scary =(
Oopsy daisies
How about If Jaxa state survived?
Not sure how that could pan out for a full video, but I'm open to ideas
Excuse me sir when you coming back sir I miss your videos sir
no
@@TheZhuangziAcademy ok wow that was very straight forward
brezhnev couldnt kiss zedong :/
sad!
棒❤
How can a single ICBM destroy the world
Also why did have end like this😢😢😢😢
That was never explained.
Looks like night Vision
I was going for like that analog defcom look
❤❤
I think a remake of this should have a more realistic ending where the Soviet nuking of China immediately sends China into a not so messy warlord era while the ROC supported by the US and other pro-US nations rebel within the PRC and also launch multiple amphibious invasions. And at the same time which you did in the video the Soviets would launch an invasion through Xinjiang and Manchuria. Basically ending in a joint invasion. The country may be divided along the Yangtze river or higher up at the borders of Xinjiang, Manchuria, and Inner Mongolia. With this we could see a Manchurian Soviet Republic, an East Turkestan Soviet Republic, and possibly have Inner Mongolia merging with Mongolia itself eventually joining the USSR. Manchuria could also be merged with the rest of Soviet occupied China as the Chinese Soviet Republic too. But I think Tibet could also gain its independence as a neutral country becoming a part of the non-aligned 3rd world bloc. Oh and for the south simply the Republic of China.
The Yangtze River cannot stop anyone. Eventually one army will rule the whole of China. Either Turkestan-China, Kuomintang KMT China（the Republic of China） or the Second Mongolian Yuan Empire or Soviet Mongolian China. In the era of cold weapons, the Yangtze River could not be used as a geographical dividing line to maintain the demarcation of the two regimes. The Mongols, the Manchus of the Qing Dynasty, the more ancient Qin Empire, the Han Empire, and the Three Kingdoms era all had an army that crossed the Yangtze River to rule the entire country. The division of national boundaries along the Yangtze River has never been able to last for more than a few decades. This was also true in the cold weapons era. In the modern firearms era, the same was true in the civil wars between the Qing Empire vs. the Taiping Rebellion and the Kuomintang vs. the Communist Party. This line of defense is too fragile.
Soviet union lost karelia?
accident draw border wrong
The king has returned
:DDD glad to finally have uploaded something in so long
РЕЗНЯ!
Bad finland map
real
中國好可憐啊
說實話我感覺我頻道上就沒有過中國不可憐😓
USA would not allow USSR to launch nuclear rain on China sadly ...
What if you deleted your channel. You will not be missed.
Big words from Justin Cheung
Do you have notifs on for the channel. How are you here so fast
@@sharplarper2507 mind your own business sharplarper2507 pigdog
i agree, this channel should be deleted
What if you Got Bitches?
That is one of the craziest scenarios I've ever seen. The most unhinged overreaction on part of the Soviets!
Real
棒❤
:DDD