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  • Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
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    History Making Productions presents
    BREAKTHROUGH (1978 - 1994)
    An episode of PHILADELPHIA: THE GREAT EXPERIMENT
    In the aftermath of devastating job losses, Philadelphians reinvent their city. Long-oppressed African-Americans rise to political power, skyscrapers break a long-held "gentlemen's agreement," and neighborhood kids find their artistic voice on crumbling factory walls. But when police engage a radical group in a disastrous confrontation, the city's fragile social compact teeters on the brink of collapse.
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    Created and Produced by SAM KATZ
    Directed and Produced by ANDREW FERRETT
    Written by DEVON MCREYNOLDS, NATHANIEL POPKIN, and ANDREW FERRETT
    Edited by DAVE BAUER
    Director of Photography PAUL VAN HAUTE
    Music Composed by PATRICK DE CAUMETTE
    Associate Producer JONATHAN KOHL
    Creative Director GINNY LASCO
    Sound Design by DAN LA PORTA
    Narrated by MICHAEL BOATMAN

Комментарии • 149

  • @missinformed4269
    @missinformed4269 2 года назад +8

    This series was superb. Full of details I knew nothing about. Grateful to the people that researched, produced, filmed, edited and put it on the internet for free. Awesome!

    • @jameskelly6152
      @jameskelly6152 4 месяца назад +1

      I lived through ALL of this . Reasonably accurate. Appreciate it and the ending sounding a hopeful note . Philadelphia has my heart, and always will . ❤️

  • @thasmb63
    @thasmb63 10 лет назад +27

    It's sad, but I am 50 years old and I remember these times clearly. I left the city and area for good last year. Philly is no more.

    • @PhiladelphiaTheGreatExperiment
      @PhiladelphiaTheGreatExperiment  10 лет назад +6

      Thank you for sharing our video. We are planning the next #episode6 for the end of April. We will post it! Be well!!

    • @rcflyer202
      @rcflyer202 8 лет назад +4

      I am 85 and my family and I escaped from phily in 1995 as our old neighborhood (NE) was being invaded by #%# . Best move we ever made . Mount Laurel N.J. is wonderfull,compaired to that rat hole we left, never to return. BILL S.

    • @carmenvasquez9421
      @carmenvasquez9421 5 лет назад +2

      Philly is still a big important city.

    • @thinblacknoodles
      @thinblacknoodles 5 лет назад +5

      I left in 2002 never looked back

    • @thasmb63
      @thasmb63 4 года назад +3

      @Club Soda I have also traveled to may cities. Good Restaurants and bars in Center City does not cover or make up for the appalling levels of crime in the neighborhoods. Try living in Aramingo or Kensington for a while and then moth off about the bars.

  • @13bcoffee
    @13bcoffee 4 года назад +17

    I agree that there should have been a follow up episode. Rendell took over as mayor. I will give him credit with being a positive cheerleader for the city. He cleaned up the financial mess that he inherited. He also pushed to reinvigorate downtown which other mayors continued. For a change we had a mayor that seemed like he was having fun being mayor.
    Philly now has one of the best downtowns. Better than DC, Bmore and Boston.
    John Street followed as a two term mayor and managed to avoid the corruption charges that took down many of Philly's politicians around that time. For the most part he was somewhat divisive but the fact that he survived suggested that he was at least competent.
    Michael Nutter also was a two term mayor like Rendell and Street. I give him good grades for being competent in his job. He had a lot of ideas that just did not fly. In all fairness it's not just the mayor running the city but also a powerful city council. Nothing gets done without them. Well the public schools still sucked which is something that seems like it can't be fixed. Luckily the Philly area has a strong network of private schools.
    The Nutter area kicked off some massive construction projects that seem to have made a difference. Some would call all of this gentrification but it's real nowadays in Philly. The Eagles won a Superbowl during his years so the mood was really positive around that time. One thing that gets overlooked that Nutter did was to increase efforts to bring money into the city coffers. Collect on what's owed, create new fees and taxes. It takes money to run a city.
    On that note the newest mayor Jim Kenney, has created a sugary drink tax. Gentrification continues. The city will soon have two big casinos. Downtown has never looked better. The city is now lgbt friendly. The city is hot again. College students flock here to be in the big city. Many of the old problems still exist but at least there's lots of positives to talk about.
    Best mayor since I have been here? Ed Rendell ... Worse ... Frank Rizzo ...

    • @john-m8w
      @john-m8w Год назад

      The worst Mayor was Wilson Goode. Goode drove the city to near bankruptcy and the horrible MOVE incident ruined the city’ s reputation for generations. Plus 11 people were basically murdered.

    • @ericbitzer5247
      @ericbitzer5247 11 месяцев назад

      You're out of your mind. Rizzo was the best mayor. He was the last real mayor Philadelphia had. The worst, every corrupt piece of crap after that. From Green to Kenney.

  • @krystingrant6292
    @krystingrant6292 3 года назад +9

    You out did yourselves with this documentary one of the best ☝🏿💯

  • @dragonballfiguartz
    @dragonballfiguartz Год назад +2

    This was fantastic. Just watched the entire series . I lived in the city for a period of time in the early 2010’s. It was quite the experience, met a lot of great people .

  • @IcelanderUSer
    @IcelanderUSer 8 лет назад +17

    I've been watching Philadelphia transform since the 70s and like NYC it's breathtaking how much has changed since even 95. When philly started redoing it's center city streets there has been no looking back. Clearly society hill was a major step and I always loved coming to philly in the 80s. But things really started changing imho in the mid 90s.

    • @Nunya100
      @Nunya100 3 года назад

      Yeah I was just there and I’m disgusted what they did to the gallery. Smh downtown is an eye sore now.

    • @billyjacc
      @billyjacc 3 года назад +1

      @@Nunya100 When was the last time you've been to the Gallery? I came back for a visit in 2014 and the food court was full of meth heads and lounging homeless folks. Most of the quality stores were gone. It was old , ugly, dull and dismal. Also the restrooms were full of filth, with the meth heads doing their meth and the dealers selling, crackhead prostitutes, etc... I brought friends from out of town with me and was embarrassed.

    • @Nunya100
      @Nunya100 3 года назад

      @@billyjacc I was just there in Jan in fact I was there the day they acted a fool in DC. All those stores that was on Chestnut and Walnut are now in the gallery. If you looking for clothing or footwear you need to go to KoP, Franklin Mills or Cherry Hill

    • @ericbitzer5247
      @ericbitzer5247 11 месяцев назад

      It was the mid 90's that began the destruction of my neighborhood and most of the northeast. Diversity is not a strength, it's the source of destruction.

  • @user-wm8no6kz6s
    @user-wm8no6kz6s 9 дней назад

    I left Philadelphia in 1987 for NYC and never regretted it!

  • @mattyfitz81
    @mattyfitz81 2 года назад +4

    Corn Pop was a bad dude.

  • @supersuperwendy
    @supersuperwendy 10 лет назад +15

    Very very interesting I just watched the whole series. I was a kid in the 80s and vividly remember the MOVE tragedy. awful

    • @thinblacknoodles
      @thinblacknoodles 5 лет назад +1

      Me too

    • @PauliePinch13
      @PauliePinch13 4 года назад

      Mayor Wilson Goode dropped that bomb. I was 5 in 1985.

    • @PauliePinch13
      @PauliePinch13 4 года назад

      @Action Jackson Well, if it wasn't Wilson Goode that dropped the bomb, who was it then?

    • @loadedfun4764
      @loadedfun4764 3 года назад

      @@PauliePinch13 Goode only approved the drop of the c4. He wasn’t the one in the helicopter who tossed the sack out... It was supposed to be a concussion grenade not plastic explosives...however it was the only thing the state police could get from the Pennsylvania military in short notice. It was a police chief who lived off of state road in the north east. A guy I worked with was friends with his kids. He said the police chief kept an uzi in a drawer in his bathroom well into the 2000’s just in case someone would attack him or his family.

    • @williamrogers7974
      @williamrogers7974 3 года назад

      What do you do though, they didn't own that property, they created vermin, the neighbors wanted them out. In life there are RULES. Obviously the bomb was the last thing the city should've done, but you can't just create your own country

  • @johnvincent9685
    @johnvincent9685 3 года назад +2

    Very good video

  • @osirusgtr
    @osirusgtr 2 года назад +1

    WOW! an Amazing series I learnt a lot thank u.

  • @dchang11
    @dchang11 4 года назад +6

    There should be episodes expanding into the 21st century, culminating with the Philadelphia Eagles winning the Super Bowl

  • @bkeen7013
    @bkeen7013 2 года назад +3

    That Move event was pretty cool. I like how the city stood up to those terrorists and did away with them, once and for all!

  • @kathiejohns1418
    @kathiejohns1418 11 месяцев назад

    I lived in the middle of all that-you captured that time well

  • @bobo-ov9os
    @bobo-ov9os 4 года назад +7

    Now a days in Philly, when it comes to the Move movement, nobody mentions that Move was armed and dangerous during the bombing

  • @BrianJasonTurner
    @BrianJasonTurner 10 лет назад +12

    Will there be a 1995 to present edition?

  • @gailleopold1727
    @gailleopold1727 4 года назад +1

    Wow! God bless Philadelphia.

  • @seancrowley1065
    @seancrowley1065 24 дня назад +1

    I'd hold Ramona Africa responsible for this !

    • @Malama_Ki
      @Malama_Ki 13 дней назад

      I see her every morning….. then I flush.

  • @sonnypruitt6639
    @sonnypruitt6639 9 лет назад +6

    To this day, Philadelphia City Hall is the tallest building in the world, supported by it's walls.

  • @marshrabbit7565
    @marshrabbit7565 2 года назад

    Great series. Some real hidden history.

  • @taxicab1365
    @taxicab1365 4 года назад +5

    This is a great series!! A fact that is forgotten is that if the Bomb had been
    dropped the day before, it would have been the equivalent of the Chicago Fire 🔥. The day before their were high winds that would have carried the fire 🔥 throughout West Philly.
    I believe officials in charge meant well, but each day members of MOVE would take the children across the street to play in the Park. The only thing officials had to do was to grab the kids and let the adults run back to the house 🏡 and in panic the adults would have run to the park to find out what was going on and Boom, you’re under arrest.
    Then the city police 👮‍♀️ had a State Police Helicopter drop the Bomb. The Governor was irate. City Managing Director was a Retired Four Star General from the Defense Supply Agency, General Brooks Brooks. He resigned within a couple of days. The Mayor Wilson Good now Rev. Good was no Dummy, he appointed a commission to investigate, which delayed prosecution of any guilty parties, and in the end no one was charged.
    The people of Osage Ave suffered loss of the homes, personal property, new houses were built for the people but the were substandard and eventually condemned.
    This Documentary was well done
    God Bless Philadelphia where a bunch of Dissidents , George, Ben, Betsy, Adams, etc., Changed the World 🌎 and gave us God Given Rights.
    We must be responsible to build upon that legacy.
    God Bless America

    • @barbaraobach
      @barbaraobach 4 года назад

      The policeman responsible for dropping the bomb should of been prosecuted for murder

    • @ericbitzer5247
      @ericbitzer5247 11 месяцев назад

      The reason the houses built after the fire were substandard was because of the contractors that were hired. All of them were black.

  • @mrsoffica1
    @mrsoffica1 7 лет назад +12

    Y'all left out the part where the police were trying to drown MOVE in the basement and shoot them, THEN the bomb was dropped. It was an extermination. I'm glad to see that Mayor Goode acknowledged the role he played in that massacre.

    • @onlyplayaseattacoswiththei9433
      @onlyplayaseattacoswiththei9433 4 года назад +2

      Goode was a piece of shit.

    • @lizrodrigue7679
      @lizrodrigue7679 4 года назад +6

      Blame the move tragedy on move if you would be honest

    • @TioMogi
      @TioMogi 4 года назад +5

      And you left out that MOVE fired the first shot, prior to the police shooting back.

    • @krystingrant6292
      @krystingrant6292 3 года назад

      @@onlyplayaseattacoswiththei9433 really was

    • @loadedfun4764
      @loadedfun4764 3 года назад

      @@TioMogi both move incidents first time with Rizzo & second time with Goode

  • @puffin4364
    @puffin4364 8 лет назад +14

    This was well done and informative with, but lopsided in its representation of the many ethnic groups who have given the city its flavor. Aside from mention of the Philly mob, there was almost no mention of Philly's Italian heritage. Why no mention of the history of the Italians who gave South Philly its character? Or the Irish for that matter? Or the Germans? Disappointed.

    • @ikeswp4959
      @ikeswp4959 5 лет назад +4

      Psalm 91 I agree Philadelphia pushes the black narrative down your throat

    • @quietstorm1291
      @quietstorm1291 4 года назад

      Yes they only briefly skimmed over the Italian mob warfare of that era...certainly a missed opportunity.

    • @davidmccann9811
      @davidmccann9811 2 года назад

      The Irish community never get a mention in these things, unless it's to talk about crime.

    • @billm1866
      @billm1866 26 дней назад

      Polish and Asian ignored, too

  • @marcchestnut9077
    @marcchestnut9077 4 года назад +1

    I remember The first move incident back in the 70s was in high school where I attended was a few blocks away, the second incident in the 80s was horrible all those people lost their homes plus those kids in the move house losing their lives the city manager, and the fire inspector could've used better judgement, instead of dropping C/4 on a house with children in it.

  • @luke-man181
    @luke-man181 3 месяца назад

    I worked 4 mural arts even before it was called mural arts

  • @OfficiallyPG
    @OfficiallyPG 18 дней назад

    Why would they throw ac4

  • @liltoaster7308
    @liltoaster7308 4 года назад +2

    Idk why they haven't made a final episode that notes how the city has been on the up and up since 2010. The population has gone back up. The skyline has been filled with newer and taller skyscrapers one even being one of the tallest in the nation, the ports have been expanded, the Delaware has been deepened for better trade, almost all of the high-rise project buildings were torn down, many of the massive abandoned buildings have been beautifully restored or otherwise transformed into luxury apartments. New houses are replacing empty lots both in South and North Philly, an entirely new Fashion district and establishments all along Market street. West Philadelphia has developed and is continuing to develop an urban center of its own etc. I can't believe they had to end the series this way when so many prosperous things happened not too many years after this was made.

    • @sassy0010
      @sassy0010 3 года назад

      Luxury apts are nice to look at -- and live in if you can afford it. But where did all the poor people living in those projects go after they lost their homes? Born in Philly in the 50s but left for L.A. in '84. Back in the region for the time being but leaving again soon.

    • @liltoaster7308
      @liltoaster7308 3 года назад

      @@sassy0010 I will say while everything in Philadelphia looks nice on the surface and may genuinely be great in many places. Gentrification has been one heck of a thing and certainly not very good in some situations. You mentioned where the people in many of the projects went after they were torn down. For the most part, very nice looking community houses were built where the projects were and tenants who previously lived in those projects were allowed to take up residence in those houses and they mostly all do pretty well. On the other hand, you do have perfectly fine communities being gentrified and completely railroaded at the coast of a new urban hub, which I don't agree with since I've seen it first hand in my family. Philly is definitely growing though.

    • @greggsmith8936
      @greggsmith8936 Год назад +1

      It's sad that scores of those incredibly well built factories were demolished.... They could have been repurposed.

  • @grgoldner
    @grgoldner 3 года назад +2

    Move shot First. That's a Fact.

  • @billp5424
    @billp5424 4 года назад +1

    Wilson Goode, commander of The Philadelphia Air Force.

  • @mahoganyintl
    @mahoganyintl 5 лет назад +1

    No excuse no exceptions unforgivable

  • @sadiqqdaoud4210
    @sadiqqdaoud4210 3 года назад

    Pep and Carism were names I saw on every wall back then. I always wondered who they were and where they are now?

  • @Nunya100
    @Nunya100 4 года назад

    It's funny how growing up I never paid attention to W. Wilson Goode I just knew him as this guy who always came to my gmom house with Uncle Tim. Then as I got older it started to kinda take shape but this showed me something's I never knew.

    • @loadedfun4764
      @loadedfun4764 3 года назад

      I went to elementary school with his nephew.... best of friends from 2nd grade until 8th.

    • @Nunya100
      @Nunya100 3 года назад

      @@loadedfun4764 it’s funny cause his son was my substitute teacher a few times in Brook. Lol he always did study halls or our advisory class.

    • @loadedfun4764
      @loadedfun4764 3 года назад +1

      @@Nunya100 Michael was my classmate and his moms name was Odelia. apparently Wilson was his uncle. Not sure who’s side of the family he was on however I think he was related to Michaels father.

  • @jenniferjones8862
    @jenniferjones8862 Год назад

    Oh. Yeah also now days you still have grafetti it's called taggin but also young ones can also make it Art.

  • @loadedfun4764
    @loadedfun4764 3 года назад +1

    The new K & A is Knights and Academy .... I remember as a kid cornbread hit up his name on an elephant at the zoo. Hit the tail end of the Jackson 5’s airplane at the airport and his Best was the “cornbread” welcomes you to Philadelphia sign by the airport.... like it or not it’s history just like Ben Franklin flying his kite or Trever Ferrell feeding the poor.... know your city.

    • @ericbitzer5247
      @ericbitzer5247 11 месяцев назад

      I got off the 20 bus at Knights and Academy for a couple years when I went to Shallcross in the mid 80's. I loved that school, all the chicks were smoking hot and they were all bad girls.

  • @chrisslaunwhite685
    @chrisslaunwhite685 4 года назад +3

    Damn Philly must of been hard cause that’s the oldest looking 17 year old I’ve ever seen! Pizazz! 1:40

    • @marcchestnut9077
      @marcchestnut9077 4 года назад

      it was some of us were lucky to leave I come back home ever so often only a handful of my friends are still alive.

    • @krystingrant6292
      @krystingrant6292 3 года назад

      😭😭😭

    • @krystingrant6292
      @krystingrant6292 3 года назад

      I'm 33 😖

  • @barbaraobach
    @barbaraobach 4 года назад +2

    The person was it the police commisioner should have been prosecuted for not allowing the fireman to put out the fire, it was evil to bomb a place especially with children ,if the Move people were endangering children tey should of waited for the adults to fall asleep and nab them or infiltrated the group and gotten them that way without anyone being hurt

    • @williamrogers7974
      @williamrogers7974 3 года назад

      Nope, you can't let 9 trouble makers ruin the city for everyone else. The children were a tragedy, the Move A holes deserved it. Trouble makers, go live in the woods if u want back to nature

  • @eleearts
    @eleearts 3 года назад +2

    THE MOST HIGH GOD PUNISHED THE CITY FOR DROPPING A BOMB ON MOVE AND HE IS STILL NOT FINISHED.

    • @bkeen7013
      @bkeen7013 2 года назад +1

      time for your meds

  • @nickyemana1159
    @nickyemana1159 Год назад

    " you now have someone that empathizes with the experiences of African Americans" and he exemplified that by dropping a bomb on some of them

  • @lauraspleen6046
    @lauraspleen6046 Год назад +2

    And who cleaned up the mess..
    Oh yeah...Frank Rizzo

  • @michaelarlen9121
    @michaelarlen9121 3 года назад

    My fathers store was on 60th and Market Street. I was there the day they dropped the bomb.

  • @704JOE
    @704JOE 4 года назад +1

    MOVE???????????NOTHING

  • @clarenceharris8155
    @clarenceharris8155 4 года назад +1

    Sanborn the blame he didn't let the fire Department do it's job

  • @Uziavenger
    @Uziavenger 10 месяцев назад +1

    You'd think by watching this video that a black mayor made the city better. Instead. An awful mayor made the city worse and his race was totally irrelevant

  • @warningsigns4526
    @warningsigns4526 2 года назад

    14:49 OH BOY THEY WORK HARD - PURSE AND ALL - WHAT FOOLS

  • @cheleftb
    @cheleftb 2 года назад

    Insane to think the system that created this nation will correct itself through hope and votes.

  • @jek9911
    @jek9911 7 месяцев назад

    Sometimes the background music is a little too loud. The show puts a nice spin on the dirtiness of the 1970s and the liberal motives of the 80s. "Not quite Detroit" is a funny slogan.😅

  • @jimdellavecchia4594
    @jimdellavecchia4594 8 дней назад

    Went from Frank Rizzo, best mayor in Phila history, to Wilson Goode, who was the absolute worst. He couldn't even pronounce PHILADELPHIA for God's sake!!!

  • @ripscuds4467
    @ripscuds4467 4 года назад +8

    They left out the part where move members were shooting at the firefighters as they tried to put fire out, and the fact that the bomb wasn't a fire bomb, move had tons of gas in that bunker which caused the fire. My dad was there, he was a firefighter and was being shot at and that's why the police commissioner pulled them back and let it burn. Those move members weren't just trying to live a peaceful back to nature life, they committed crimes to finance their life and another part that was left out was that the whole nieghborhood wanted them out. T hats the whole black nieghborhood wanted them out. It all started because they killed a cop years before.

    • @lilbuddy5719
      @lilbuddy5719 4 года назад

      That's nuts. Crazy how the MOVE really meant buisness.

  • @Youdidnthearme
    @Youdidnthearme День назад

    Frank Rizzo is the Donald Trump of today’s era

  • @stever3291
    @stever3291 4 года назад +1

    Philadelphia is Detroit East.

  • @deedeepolishtontv7858
    @deedeepolishtontv7858 3 года назад +1

    I met a 25yr old boy who did graffiti this day in age Showed me his sketch book. Pure garbage. Chicken scratch. A trash bucket dude I lost all respect for.

  • @irishcole3516
    @irishcole3516 4 месяца назад +1

    I love how the various commentators tried to justify the scourge of graffiti smh. GTFO

  • @jenniferjones8862
    @jenniferjones8862 Год назад

    actially I think it was an Original Jonski and was MB. King of grafetti MB was my first boyfriend my Father got me away from him than to started dateing my Sister. Brenda than anti grafetti came into play gessss oldtimes.

  • @raskltube
    @raskltube 3 года назад

    for a second there when it was talking about the philly graff scene, i thought this was gonna be cool, but once that junkie from started preaching i had enough..,

  • @teachone2261
    @teachone2261 7 месяцев назад +1

    Imagine if Rizzo dropped that bomb - he would have been brought to trial but Wilson Goode?? Oh no he’s one of us he gets a pass …my ass

  • @KennethDAstonJr
    @KennethDAstonJr 5 лет назад +2

    I dig the part about Graffiti but come on "Cornbread", you were not the first original graffiti artist, you was some dude spray painting his name on a wall. You had no style, flair, you style wasn't creative at all. Did you ever do any murals? I know you were appointed to help with the graffiti issue in Philly and maybe that's why you think such things.

    • @onlyplayaseattacoswiththei9433
      @onlyplayaseattacoswiththei9433 4 года назад

      Cornbread may have not been a dope artist BUT he was one of if not the 1st to spray walls. In from kingsessing ave in swp. I'm 45 & a professional 3D graffiti artist & a ghost writer for 3 PROFESSIONAL comedians. The only thing I know more than comedy & graffiti is the history of both. I KNEW Razz personally bcuz he & his friends couldn't believe a 10 yr old kid in '85 could be so dope of an artist. RAZZ was the 1st to do "wildstyles" on walls. My mom was a professional artist & she started teaching me @ age 3. Art has been my life since day one.....practicing now 😉💯.....look @ Basquiat , he started as a Graff artist but he was horrible. The thing that got him over was the IMPACT his early graffiti art had. He didnt have "style" but his questions made statements. They made you think. Now his art sells for 100 million dollars & up. Cornbread was def 1st if not 1 of.....

    • @brianmoran3450
      @brianmoran3450 3 года назад

      "TOY"

  • @KatieGrandma
    @KatieGrandma 4 года назад +4

    A Progressive revision of history. Very inaccurate information, especially about MOVE. The only person who spoke the truth in that video was Ramona Africa.

  • @19brittani
    @19brittani 4 года назад +2

    MOVE WAS NOT INNOCENT IN THIS MESS .FEEL BAD FOR THE KIDS BUT THE ADULTS WANTED TO DIE MARTYRS. GOT NO LOVE FOR MOVE....

    • @williamrogers7974
      @williamrogers7974 3 года назад

      Thank you, there are rules in a society. You can't just say "we're steve, bob and chuck Africa now, we ain't leavin'"

  • @SandraSmith-vb5pf
    @SandraSmith-vb5pf 2 года назад

    And The Beat Goes On And On Anon Anon Anonymous 🔔💷💵💶Co-Op 🤡👺🤑

  • @qaasimibnyahyaal-benini3803
    @qaasimibnyahyaal-benini3803 4 года назад

    Im from NY and currently reside in Philadelphia... Let me just say... PHILLY AINT WASNT SHIT THEN AND IT AINT SHIT NOW.

    • @caramia4143
      @caramia4143 Год назад

      There's people from/in NY saying that now about NY and every other city/state/country so you're not special

    • @ericbitzer5247
      @ericbitzer5247 11 месяцев назад

      It is shit now. That's the problem.