The Limits of Pleasure: A Conversation with Paul Bloom
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- In this episode of the podcast, Sam Harris speaks with Paul Bloom about the role that pain and suffering play in living a good life. They discuss the limitations of hedonism, the connection between chosen suffering and meaning, the research of Daniel Kahneman on well-being, integrating the experiencing and remembering selves, moral motivations, the effects of parenthood on happiness, unchosen suffering, the asymmetry of loss and gain, Nozick’s “experience machine” thought experiment, effective altruism, valuing the future more than the past, the power of contrast, false ideals of happiness, polyamory, money and status, the role of the imagination, boredom, the power of apology, and other topics.
Released: November 2, 2021
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The picture (artwork) is from Jan Brueghel and is titled "Bacchanal" (1610-1615)
Sounds “Progressive”.
Maybe San Francisco ca. 1980
@@gabrielsyme4180 hehehe ya beat me to it
Thanks a ton
Fukcing love such type of art. Thanks!
@@HandleHandleson All the Dutch Masters are truly incredible :)
When I was 25 I thought if I was rich I would buy an island, invite my friends to come stay as long as they want and call it pleasure island with lots of great food, drugs and women. At 38 I recognize the value of sense of accomplishment and need to be grinding towards something great to feel a sense of purpose and peace.
You could turn your yourhful fantasy into a business and give your friends free passes every once in a while
So that's how Epstein started.
Don't worry , by 50 the island and the women will reassert their attraction.
Id happily swap my "honorable grind" for your pleasure island
Me too. I was totally going to buy my own private island and live a life of nonstop hedonism, but I am way too mature and enlightened for that nonsense. The fact that I only have $17 in the bank has absolutely nothing to do with it.
this one looks good me watchey
Brilliant
Exceptional
Yea im diggin this one, just as im wrapping up a book about suffering and meaning (Beyond order by Jordan Peterson)
Much good coment
It would be better if it was free content. Sam loves the moneyyy
"I long for the sufferings that make me ready and willing to die" - Steppenwolf, Herman Hesse
One of the most pathetic figures in fiction, he's up there with Aschenbach, the lone masturbator from Death in Venice.
The answer to the most important question is 42, why do you keep asking?
People do not find things meaningful cuz of the suffering alone, they find things meaningful because they find a purpose and benefit to doing those things. The suffering adds more meaning but only if that task already has meaning to begin with.
Why does it add meaning? Cuz suffering makes the task hard, meaning the fact that you were able to complete the task despite the hardships, gives it more meaning.
Point is, doing something just for the sake of suffering is meaninglessness. Doing something meaningful that has suffering is super meaningful cuz not many can do it but you did.
If you could turn off any desire for sex, would you? It feels like a curse of biology to me, I'd rather focus 100% on my passions. Of course, the species would die out pretty fast if no one had such biological urges.
Totally love Sam Harris interviews/podcast! 💚
Absolutely! He is great
Bloom today on Michael Shermer, Robert Wright, and now Sam. All in one day. That's a lot of Blooming.
Blooms top draw intellect in my opinion!
This podcast mentions ‘experience’ machines. What if we’re already in an ‘experience’ machine? 🤔🤔🤔
Once when I was high I thought that this life is a simulation run by robots. When you die, you wake up in a futuristic, utopian paradise controlled by these robots. In this future, super intelligent AI has emerged, but thankfully it’s benevolent and has created a perfect world for humanity.
In this paradise, all human needs are provided for. No need to work or strive.
But due to the human propensity for boredom, you can have the option to be hooked up to an ‘experience’ machine and experience a more challenging, ‘meaningful’ life. Which is what we’re maybe experiencing now.
Seroquel works for me.
I’ve had similar thoughts, as well as it possibly being a prison we live in either because “conquered” by a relatively benevolent group or because we were deemed too risky by the society we were born into. In any event, it makes figuring out a “purpose” pretty subjective.
I experience schadenfreude for myself
I never understood the controversy of the experience machine question. Anyone who doesn’t get in is just not fully understanding what it implies about reality. If an experience machine is possible, it means you have no guarantee that you already aren’t inside one right now. It means there is no such thing as “base reality” because reality becomes fundamentally unknowable. Reality as a concept becomes empty. It’s the main problem with the matrix movies. Once you know a matrix exists it becomes irrelevant. How do you know the “real world” in the matrix isn’t just another matrix designed to house those with an inherent desire for rebellion. How do you know it isn’t matrixes all the way down.
Great comment. That idea has been around for a long time. Descartes' "evil demon" problem asks a similar question. Where it starts to get really sticky is around now, because our present technologies are becoming more and more suggestive that perfect simulations are _highly_ likely to be possible. In terms of probability, it has even been argued (convincingly) by Bostrom that simulations are the _more_ likely case for creatures of conscious experience like ourselves, because of the simple fact that simulations require less effort/energy to run.
It seems that asking the question is absurd, because the truth of the answer may be necessarily unknowable; perhaps it is just a condition of consciousness, that in order for one to have awareness of one's own experiences, there must also be a corresponding substrate upon which that experience takes place. What, where, or when that substrate is, or how it happens to operate, or whether or not those inside of it consider it to be 'real' enough: these are all flawlessly incidental.
Long story short, nevermind the implication about reality-our biological brains already *are* causing a simulation. There never was a guarantee that we were really real in the 'bedrock-sort of real' sense. And further, layered realities with matrices all the down are far less bland than that traditional conception of our static universe, whose eventual dissipation of heat finishes off with one endless, giant, frozen state of disorder. Still, things out here'd have to be pretty bad before I'd want to "get in."
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'I am real!' said Alice, and began to cry.
'You won't make yourself a bit realer by crying,' Tweedledee remarked: 'there's nothing to cry about.'
I have learned much about the limits of pleasure since I developed erectile dysfunction 😔
I learnt the limits of pleasure in my late 30's and what a relief it was.
@DSUM dont you mean there is only so much cocaine money?
i dont see a cocaine shortage anywhere in my city.... apart from my house that is!
@DSUM No, there is lots ;)
The real skill is detaching from cocaine and realising that natural mediocre pleasures in the shape of helping others has more long term fulfillment. Instant gratification is shit.
Paul Bloom is probably the best guest this podcast has hosted. The insight he brings and the way he articulates complex ideas are amazing.
He talks about seeing more and more young people saying they’d plug into the experience machine. Is that surprising? More and more young people are realizing they aren’t going to have the life they want. They aren’t going to find the man or woman they want to be with, they aren’t going to make as much money as they’d like, they aren’t going to live where they want to live or be as beautiful or popular as they want. Is it surprising that these people would plug into the experience machine? When he described the experience machine I didn’t feel horror but I felt hope. I thought “damn plug me in right now!” I understand why he feels horrified by the idea, but so many young people like me have resigned themselves to a life of mediocrity because of climate change and because the economy is rigged by the rich and powerful. Why wouldn’t you want to leave this place for a better life? Even if it’s just in the matrix, who cares? It’s still better than anything you’ll have in real life.
@@esltogo6898 "The world owes you nothing" well actually no that's incorrect. Here in America we have a representative democracy, Bill of Rights, etc etc. The democracy has become corrupt to the core, a kleptocracy built by Boomers who rigged everything to favor them. It's a generation that is analogous to a cancer. Millennials have gotten the shaft: stagnating wages, little upward mobility, climate crisis, etc. Many people see a bleak future. Frankly I'm one of the better of millennials but even I still feel kind've fucked in the current system.
If you want to be happy, it's simple: Find something you're good at, and use that skill to serve others. You'll be happy, and your life won't be focused on money. Worked for me.
'The paths of excess lead to the Palaces of Wisdom.' - Blake
I’m in a sort’ve hedonistic phase in my life. I’m going to enjoy it while it lasts.
enjoy the good times fellow human
Likewise
Personally, I'm in a bit of a Solipsistic phase. I'd better explain it to you, but what's the point?
Thanks for the tip man helpful mindfulness
WOW WOW WOW! Paul Bloom! Like before watching 👍 👍 👍
Here for the artwork
Ok Sam is ok too
I wonder if back then they actually wore sheets as clothing, or whether semi or total nudity was normal? What a fun time that would have been to be alive
Bit better than me. I'm here for the intro music.
I do agree that altruism doesnt make sense. Altruism isnt truly altruism.
Yawa
Sam posting this right after we've entered NNN
I would say "Yes" to the experience machine, or plug into the Matrix for life. Like Cypher says, "Ignorance is bliss." If the real world is far worse than a simulated dream world, and you would never know that you're not existing in reality, I would choose the simulation.
Sad
@@trystdodge6177 You wouldn't even know that if you were in the simulation though. You would be happy because you would be unaware of what reality is actually like.
@@CancelledPhilosopher no doubt. People already engage in the simulation that is social media, a form of hyper reality and its kinda making people go insane. Unless perfected this simulation is a horrible idea. Life is way to complex to replicate imo.
@@trystdodge6177 Well said. We're living in the postmodern era of hyper-reality.
@@CancelledPhilosopher yeah but if you know the truth you can do cool kung fu shit
I don't know if I'd call exercise or hot baths suffering. They can be straining for sure, but suffering, at least for me, has more of an existential gloom to it.
To some depressives such as I, exercise is tantamount to slitting ones throat, you must climb out of yourself and feel others pain, I believe empathy is the opperative word.
Why isn't 50% of you podcast devoted to how terrible the current administration is, or are you prepared to admit you are nothing more than an intelligent shill
@Mike Kane Thank you for pointing out my spelling mistake you waste of life.
As intelligent as Sam Harris is, I find adopting his point of view regarding life's meaning rather discouraging. Regardless of how much I attempt to adopt a liberal, humanitarian, and a "natural world is sufficient" approach to life, there remains in me a need for much more. Sadly, from Harris' point of view, that includes God.
"Netflix and pushups" is that what he calls it?
Sammy Harris Jr had more collaborations with Paulie B at this point than J-Lo had with Pitbull. True chemistry
He should really lean into that Nickname I feel. It gives him more of a jazz feel. Less robotic AI plant.
I just had a class about this a few weeks ago.
I thought the reason people wouldn't choose the pleasure chamber was due to the pain they'd get from making the decision to quit life for a fake one with "fake" pleasure.
Explain in layman's terms please?
The quality of the pleasure is kept constant.
How do you live when every thought and emotion that a human can feel is looked at under the microscope and analyzed and discussed with your highly educated vocabulary? Is there any mystery left? Is there any surprise? Any spontaneity? Any exhalation? Any poetry or music? I get that this is your thrill, all this thought and talk. From here it sounds like word prison.
The poetry, music, spontaneity and mystery lie in the act of discovery itself. I daresay that there is even more enigma and numinosity reposing in what we do with the discoveries ourselves.
Don't mention Dan Gilbert without ever inviting him in the podcast. That's not fair. Gilbert is doing the real science, not just philosophy.
Plaul Boom was the better guest I have to say
Better than?
Sam has figured out that making more money thru clickbait is more important than providing quality content.
Wdym?
On Kahneman's retroactive happiness- not only is remembered happiness not as important as positive experiences at the time, it's almost completely irrelevant- we might naturally want to feel like we're creating good stories to some extent, but the amount of time we actually spend reflecting on our past (improperly recollected) happiness is very limited and probably only has a small effect on our day-to-day happiness from self-esteem/self-regard, compared to the more salient current happiness factors at the time of recollection.
You could live your life so you're looking back on great holidays and a great career, but you might only think back on this in any focused, meaningful way a few times per year, while nostalgia for a meaningful past (that wasn't even really as good as you remember it to be) is unlikely to be that great a comfort if you're facing chronic pain or bereavement etc. at the time of looking back on your previous positive life trajectory.
Slightly ironically, what we often see as a full, 'YOLO-type' life- living life for misremembered big events, satisfactions and eventual meaning- could be the greatest waste of a life, if you ignore lots of day-to-day underrated pleasures in the process and all the hedonic pay-offs you treasure weren't really as good as you remember them anyway. When there has to be a choice between the two, it seems better to live for genuine moment-to-moment enjoyment than trying to eventually add to your brief death bed sigh of existential contentment.
Sam, please invite Joscha Bach for an episode, would be so interesting to hear that conversation. He is a brilliant thinker as are you. cheers!
Suffering has to have breaks or it's just permanent damage .
It builds upon itself
Around point 28:00-30:00. Why don't you wish you had never seen the bus scene you describe? I find this not normal and shocking. I interpret this as not wishing that that had not happened. I could be wrong.
With Hot baths, Spicy Food, and pain he missed the point that your body responds to that stimuli and that can be pleasurable. Like jumping in cold water.
They didn't miss any points. They pointed out that those experiences are pleasurable given the mental pre-framing. They were talking about how it's odd that we find an experience that should be uncomfortable very enjoyable if we can control how and when the experience happens. The same is said for exercise. If your muscles ached for no reason, that would be alarming, but if you know your muscles are sore from working out, that gives a sense of accomplishment. I listened to the full episode on Sam's app, so you might be missing out of some details in this video.
You must fall in love with suffering, else you will die you!!!
i am hearing this thank u sam
Poor people her access for free.Hahaha...I did Not succeed when I tried to find your Labyrinth hidden offer.Haha.
It's pretty simple in life, be prepared to 'work hard,' accept responsibility for family, children, helping church members, taking care of pets and study hard to figure out something you're 'passionate' about. Everything else is pretty much 'easy stuff.' And to be honest, a lot of the other 'indulgences' in life are totally unnecessary.
Sounds pretty simple in theory, I am not sure if everything else is "easy stuff."
I wish i could give two dislikes to this
I stopped at 2/3 through because I didn't want the worst thing Sam's ever seen in my head, but the first 2/3 of this at least, is just rehashing old obvious trope ideas. I haven't heard anything new, except the idea that we tend to judge experiences by the peaks and the ending. That's a neat factoid, but it doesn't impact anything else they're talking about. They haven't gotten to the topic of 'the limits of pleasure' yet, by 28:53. Maybe that comes later.
I can't believe they actually talked about contrasting things to enhance pleasure and then they couldn't put 2 and 2 together to decipher the purpose of polyamory or indeed how can pure hedonism be sustainable. The phenomenon in point could also be called "palate cleanser".
Contrasting and palate cleansing are not simply bullet points on a long list of things we touch on in a long form podcast, but they mean absolutely everything and they are the very answer you are looking for.
You can forever feel you are increasing your pleasure if you alternate it with some form of suffering (like watching your partner with someone else, not least because you know, just like when the kid wants the same toy if another wants it, that a moment ago he was bored of) but also you will find your partner super desirable again if you use another partner as a palate cleanser on occasion. It's ridiculously short sighted to look at this as a "constant drive for sexual variety". You can alternate 2 lovers and it's perfect forever in the most literal and absolute sense. You are going to feel the honey moon period forever, it's that easy. The reason why you don't hear about that as much, because hard core swingers like to appear as they are what polyamory is about, but in reality I think they are just naturally on a constant sex hormone overdrive, so for them it is not a chore to always be on the lookout for new partners.
But there are also couples who only swing together and even "throuples" where 3 people are faithful to each other (or 2 couples) and the "forever honeymoon period feeling" effect will be the same as if you keep a permanent mistress on the side, like actually the vast majority people are already doing and for the exact same purpose, except they are pretending and living in lies, while the rest are ticking time bombs counting down to scarring their kids forever with messy divorces when one of them finally can't stand the loveless marriage anymore, but of course the afore mentioned people who are using cheating as a palate cleanser to keep the marriage fresh are also risking messy child ruining divorces too if they are found out. Finding one of the more honest forms of sustainable hedonism is not an addiction to excessive pleasures, but the only way to survive this cesspit of futility we call life (if we look around in the world for just one second with a truly honest eye), for us and for our children (if we want to ensure the family stays together). Sam is like "and it further complicates if they have children", well now you know that such further complication is perhaps the only thing standing against the mountain high numbers in divorce statistics (actually messing up the kids). Such numbers are not a reflection of a sick society that can't settle down, but they show how irrational the expectation is that people think marriage supposed to be about.
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Look at this tone illusion, it feels like it's forever increasing: ruclips.net/video/BzNzgsAE4F0/видео.html
The same could be achieved with the feeling of meaningful pleasure.
Also I never said exponential
I said sustainable
Also the Rat Park experiment proved the opposite of what you are saying. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park
Also can you actually read my comment please
@@ricardosantos6721 The endlessly increasing tone analogy was a flawed comparison, because it consists of many smaller overlapping tones, much like a braided rope. The analogy does not extend to anywhere near the degree necessary for one perfectly sustained hedonism-unless you're willing to concede to interpreting pleasure as being derivative of a collection of smaller, braided sub-pleasures.
With no insult intended, your entire perspective is outrageously misdirected. Your argument will find legitimate basis in neither evidence nor philosophical doctrine. Even the most extreme forms of hedonism recognize some limit to pleasure; holding it in perpetuity will be like clenching one's fist around water. Further, pleasure exists only because of its transitory nature; its impermanence adds to its desirability. Just as swear words lose their severity with overuse, a permanently held pleasure would degrade in effect, becoming a white noise of familiar sensation. Offsetting it by tricking the mind by alternating with suffering (and not just with an absence of pleasure) is to conflate relief with pleasure.
A salve may soothe, but it's better not to be burned.
The most satisfied among us consistently report that pleasure is found best optimized, that is, best sustained, under conditions of moderation and/or restraint. A better analogy for protracting pleasure would be to compare it to an inflated balloon: the idea is for it to hold _some_ air inside, for a finite duration and at minimized risk, until its skin eventually degrades. Apply your super-inflated "palate cleanser" to this model, and, well, you get the idea.
Contriving to add pain to pleasure-just to have it then abated-is not the same thing as building up a lesser-but-steady, pain-free pleasure. The latter has the eventual benefits of both consistency and numerical advantage.
Not to be too presumptuous, but your comment suggests a young man's interpretation of idealized variety. Consider that you might find, as you age, that pleasure has a qualitative aspect that exceeds many of the more obvious looking quantity-related perks. As such, successful monogamy appears much more dreary from the outside, especially to those who've not actually experienced it.
*TL;DR:*
Though the contrast may make it seem otherwise, adding suffering to a pleasure will not extend one's experience of something that's pleasant; doing so simply causes one to experience a relief from the cessation of the unpleasant.
Again, a salve may soothe, but it's better not to be burned.
@@pocket83squared wait a sec, your constantly partially inflated balloon sounds exactly the same as the sound illusion, correct me if I'm wrong.
but in the first place, you read too much into the sound illusion example, it was only a counter example to the previous commenter sounding so absolute that such things don't exist, so it was rather disproving them, then to prove anything I wanted to say
i'm not sure what to say about your complaints about burning and pain, you know I'm sure these are just metaphors, it is not really that painful once you tried it especially if you experienced the pleasure it can catapult into, otherwise it could be used forever and there would be no need for palate cleansers ever again, but then again you will need palate cleanser after that too, because you can burn out from masochism too, and it can become boring, so it's not such a big deal. You are not experiencing a very wide spectrum of pleasures if you contain yourself to your half floating balloon, but then again if you can find some sort of alternations or breaks that allow for some sort of feeling of renewal, then more power to you.
Today on a freeway a Brinkx truck crashed on the freeway . The back openened and tons of money flew out. People were jumping out of their cars grabbing the fallen money. I was watching them on tv and couldn't believe how happy they were it was fun to watch.
22:44. Almost as if it's built into the circuitry of the brain to have empathy and build strong human connections and to find fulfillment in building community. Hm... I don't think that's philosophy. I think that's biology.
32:00 Carlos Castaneda solved that with hunting. Arduous long treks. He uses hunting to teach about life. But unfortunately we have gotten rid of all predators and hunting on a large scale would deplete what has survived our mayhem. Oh and we gut what we kill and eat liver. Mwahaha I'll make a man out of you.
Also Martial arts. Adds resilience and concentration clarity and equanimity as well as corresponding health and neural benefits.
ruclips.net/video/tgBcQA9A3zA/видео.html
Literally just finished listening to this on michael shermer
Yes, Michael has always good podcasts - keeps attention because of the visual connection.
Shermer doesn't charge
@@Anicius_ and it went for two hours
What’s the painting in the thumbnail?
I don't agree that many, if not most, people would not want to live in a simulated world where their life is perfect, even if they would be aware that it is simualted while living those life. Assuming of course, that they are kept alive and well outside the stimulation.
First of all, there are a lot of miserable people who would kill to live in such a life. Also, video games are by far the most popular form of entertainment in the world, with many spending all their free time doing it; video games are essentially having fun in simulated lives to varying degrees.
I can’t understand why anyone wouldn’t plug into the experience machine.
It's fake.
@@GallowayJesse who cares experience is reality enough
For the same reason people cherish good things that happen in reality more than amazing things that happen in dreams? We want the good to be real. Please don't follow up with nonsensical "but how do we know what's real". You know what I mean.
@@GallowayJesse if youcouldnt tell the diference then why would your brain care? what would be the differenceof your brain after a year in the machine vs a year outside of it of the same experiences
@@tangerinetangerine4400 We only don’t cherish those dreams after we realize they are dreams. In the moment we cherish them just as much as if they were real.
Fizznurst!
The pleasure of limits
Wow... You know I would love to do an interview with you, but I would have to comply, I would be a simpleton and it would be your job to prove me different.
Nothing is true, except Nihilism. These guys are whiny and annoying.
Stolen from Pewdiepie
I wish Sam had co-authored the book I just regrettably impulse-purchased.
Just finished reading and there was interesting writing and assembly of topics but the arguments were just terrible. The philosophy was the most fallacious and terrible I could have imagined
I'm happy that there is a psychologist at U of T that people can take seriously. I can't help but feel like Jordan Peterson is something of an entertainer who has a very loose grasp on politics and philosophy, often getting involved in topics he doesn't seem to know that much about (debating communism?? Claiming global warming is not a serious issue because of a single fringe statistician (Bjorn Borg)?? The "all meat" diet?? The countless conspiracies about post-modern neo marxists????). Paul Bloom seems like a serious academic, who focuses on the areas that he has knowledge on...and gives U of T some good representation :). Thank you Paul, and Sam!! Wonderful podcast as always
Jordan Peterson doesn't work there, and it's really sad that you have the psychological need to slander him. I'm sorry your life has come to this.
Peterson is brilliant...all around brilliant with of course his greatest intellectual strength being in psychology. You are wrong in your comments as you gave incorrect examples by which to insult him. For one of several, " all meat diet "? He does NOT promote an all meat diet. He eats an all meat diet for himself because his severe auto-immune issues warrant it and it is working well for his system so he stays with it. Get facts straight buddy.
"Claiming global warming is not a serious issue because of a single fringe statistician (B"
no... YOU are the fringes, you cultists... youre thoenes who have been endoctrinated by tabloid magazine MSM media into believing the 97% and "all scientists agree" LIE
I do not think tha tRicki Gervais is an endorsement for anything.
Sam and other deep thinkers. I have just had a thought and it could be plausible or not.perhaps the universe is similar to all life in the it has a problem that it dies after a certain amount of of what we measure as time.it evolved to create other universe's and black holes are what feeds the new universe's which are at earlier stages of existence and the building blocks for eventual life as we know it are eventually transferd through but still require what we call time to begin the process that leads to living organisms ie humans..as one universe dies others exist at different stages of being.its life cycle just as we and other organisms do.anyone think this could be in the realm of possibility?
You're insane
What a surprise that you are likely to be less happy with kids and no societal support in the USA.
I have seen a similar sight in Mumbai growing up, and the funny thing is moments later your mind wants you to think you only imagined it
The meaning of life is to find meaning IN life.
Be careful you just might get what you want!
Didnt talking heads tell us to stop making sense in the mid 80s?
Please invite EOWILSON
Evil has shown itself everywhere.
This year alone do much has been shown.
Where there is darkness light has shown us what is there
Revelations are slowly showing the fineline between evil, pleasure and corruption
Nah they are wrong about ficton in general. People want sadistic suffering of others as an end unto itself. They just want some excuse to pretend that isnt their core desire.
Holy shit he teaches at U of T now? I didn’t even know that. Lmao I go there. Maybe I’ll go say hi to him haha.
Great stuff. Thanks so much
Good God what is with the Paul Bloom interview tsunami in the last few days.
New book.
Do you do solo stuff anymore?
The illusion of happiness. GO!
Very disgraceful that you charge money for your content, despite being at the forefront of truth seekers. I’m sorry Sam but I used to respect you, my respect for you has gone away ever since you gained such narcissistic behaviours.
Every single one of your peers have free content except you, why do you keep making us listen to half contents for so long? Have you no shame? You out of all people pushing for your content to be paid for. You are nearing your pension, you aren’t a 20 year old hungry youtuber who needs donations from subscribers, you’re an established intellectual who forces us to pay for your content. Shame on you.
Relax, dude . He has explained his decision ( I heard it in his interview with Rogan). He also offers scholarships for people who can’t pay .
@@marderend man fuck that shit
@@marderend yea and if you don’t like his meditation app after buying it he offers a full refund with no questions asked
Ok Debbie downer
Thank you always
Great talk Sam, keep them coming!
Hey are u getting in on team seas?
The experience machine seems to have some crossover with Plato's cave.
Or obviously the exact opposite !
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This show fucks!
"Suffering as part of a good life" - Ah, someone (besides a small circle of friends) is finally paying attention! It give me hope for this sorry place we find ourselves in. I could say a lot more, but it's been said far more eloquently... elsewhere.
Thank you for this. Just a small request.. can the audio volume be normalized a bit higher? Something else I accidentally opened just blew out my ears as I was listening to this intently.
After hearing this, i have become an even more staunch anti-natalist.
My take on it is, if humans go away tomorrow then the state of nature, consciousness and suffering continue for billions of more years.
Humans will ultimately be a drop in the ocean of suffering.
But humans are also the only known hope for breaking it and creating something better, whatever that looks like. So I think us and far away species like us are the only viable bet if you care about maximizing utility.
Sam, start taking controversial topics head on again!
Give the guy a break dude. He has nothing but controversial discussions. I'm sure it's tiring
@@boxer12350 Why tho? I know everyone is different but there are so many people who spend their entire life publically engaged in the discord on a daily basis, and still seem perfectly happy. For such a mindful, meditative person like Sam, you'd think he'd be able to manage it. It's his claim to fame after all.
@@atlehman69 actually... see my last comment
@@boxer12350 Maybe I read your comment as "he's had nothing but controversial discussions." Instead of "he has" present tense.
I dont agree that he engages in current controversy nearly as much as he used to.
So hard to follow Sam Harris speak.
He cant say a single fluent phrase without stoping every 3 words, and ww..aa..
Genuinely say I have never thought that. Sam is one of the most articulate people I can think of.
@@bertrandrussell894 just give a example for a 10 sec fluent phrase, without him pausing in the middle and thinking every other 3 words.
You should hear me talk ;-/
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@@dcktater7847 If it affects you they badly I wouldn't listen to him then.
Shermer uploaded his podcast of the same guest on the same day. I smell a book coming.
4:30 Book confirmed. Fist-fight cancelled. Watch your ass Sherm lol
My affairs have been far from "aligned" for many many many years.
I understand there is a lot you simply cannot talk about for fear of the "low polygon people".