Is He A Stranger Or My Father? | KARAMO
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- Опубликовано: 5 дек 2023
- Ryan says he had a one or two-night-stand with Lavonne's mother and it took years for him to ever meet his daughter. Lavonne says Ryan was not a present father-figure for her and she believes that he already got a DNA test to confirm she was his daughter but still didn't step up. Can Karamo help this father and daughter build a relationship or will this DNA mystery leave them strangers?
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I love her sister. She's so sweet and supportive.
This episode reminds me of two important things: It’s easier to mend a relationship with a child than a heartbroken adult ( who has to protect their hurt inner child).
Children grow up so fast!
That part‼️ 100% agree
So insightful! 🥰
💯💯 you're absolutely right!!! I wish more young men looked at the issue this way 😔 bc there are way too many young women raising children without any help from the fathers and it makes me sick!! Why wont these men be apart of these kids lives from birth bc once that child becomes an adult it'll be just as hard (if not harder) to form a trusting relationship with them bc they'll most likely be harboring so much resentment towards their dads 🙄 SMFH 🤦🏽♀️
I hope single mothers read this... My body, my choice.
@@Mecca1204 Close your leg's, or take birth control. Also, many men are taken advantage of and are lied to by these same women about not being able to get pregnant. How could a bond form if your only dating and not married to each other? Yet, it's alway's the man's fault! This is a major reason why men are leaving the west and finding real love overseas. We all tired of the games and manipulation of women.
I see exactly why she wouldn’t want to rekindle the relationship with her father because he knew all this time and just didn’t want to step up
EXACTLY! Smh
Who wants to have an relationship with that devil daughter. The daughter putting all the blame on this guy when 50 percent of the blame is her mother fault. If I was the guy I would of told her I don't want an relationship with her. She disrespectful. The daughter mother like alot of black women probably kept her away from her father. She's immature 30 year old woman.
Her Mother has always been there for her daughter.
The point is he has known since she 2 old and never put forth an effort to know her!!
The sister is a Class Act in maturity ❤
Yes, she is! She may not have a supportive father, but she has a big sister who's there for her!
@@helenwatson5732yes that’s a blessing my father children would never because they are so brainwashed.
I was trying to find some excuse for the father, but for him to have known 100% that she was his daughter . . . there's no excuse.
Well her mom knew too
📠🚫 🖨️
💯💯💯
Well, why was her mom tripping so hard, if this was the case?!?!? i believe they gave the man a hard time.
We don’t know the whole story, but he seemed very clear that this was his daughter from jump of this interview. It seemed like she was hoping he wasn’t her father.
The sister took Karamo's job lol. I love that she has such great support around her because she has/is not receiving that from her father, which is so sad. I pray she continues to grow and thrive, even if it's without him.
No her tail needs to grow up and be a real lady
Yess she needs her own show !!!
I didn't like that Karamo took so long to speak up. The 2 were speaking over one another and I know he's a father so maybe this hit home.. but the way the father and daughter were communicating was making me nervous like they would've snapped
@@michellebest7539 i think she is grown up. Growing up not being loved by your father has to hurt, has to have some negative impact on you. It is not that she isn't grown up hun, she is here healing. These two aren't 1 in the same. Healing from rejection of a parent may take her whole life.
Exactly 💯💯💯
The family was wrong for keeping him away when she was a child. But she’s been an adult for a while and he really has no excuse.
He never tried. Women get tired of calling a reluctant baby daddy.
He could have gone to court and fought for his child. He didn’t care! Stop making excuses for the weak ass men
There's court for that.
@@mjchiwarawere you there?
@@mjchiwaraare u deaf? Obviously he had to try for them to take her away.. don't be a pick me
That man puts himself first, always.
He’s so focused on himself versus his daughter’s feelings. If she doesn’t want a relationship with him that’s cool, atleast she has a sister that understands her feelings
I can careless about her childish feelings
She not going to embarass me and disrespect me in the manner she has.
She needs to blame her trifling mammy too.
@@michellebest7539 not eve that you can tell she has an attitude problem. He has a calm personality n you can tell she be trippin. How he have good relationships with all his kids but you
Where's the mother ? 🤷🏾♂️
yes
@@michellebest7539 How can you say you couldn't care less about the feelings of an offspring whose feelings are rooted in YOUR FAILURE to fight for them? You act as if the feelings she has aren't justified. Any person who is more concerned with being embarrassed than they are with the justified feelings of their kid doesn't deserve to have kids. Folks love to think that deadbeat parents are entitled to respect that they weren't even present to earn. The mom may have been trifling, but at least she was present, which is more than we can say for the dad. He didn't even care enough about the kid to put up a fight for her when he did learn that she was his daughter.
First of all the mom was wrong then her family was wrong the dad is not the only one wrong on this situation......
Exactly
Right
SAY IT LOUDERRERR 🗣️
True, but popping in and out on business trips is certainly not the way to gain favor or exemplify a desire to fight for his daughter.
@@mudbuds1161Exactly that's what Grown Men do 💯💯
Just dawned on me that people may actually confuse pride with trauma. Wow. Thanks Karamo.
can you expand?
Trauma can cause pride though.
Thank you!!! I actually wrote a whole paragraph here about it. This man has serious trauma. You can see it. Look at how tight he held his lips. He was petrified of rejection himself. He kept trying to talk but no one wanted to hear him. He apologized. It wasn’t acknowledged. He was publicly ridiculed and rejected. He’ll go on with this embedded in his heart and memory. Men’s emotions get overlooked so often. This is a prime example here. He took accountability then what? Still rejected. Come on! How much can a human handle when their previous trauma. He became emotional at the end when she rejected his hug. That hug wasn’t just for her, it was for him too.
@@RepentAndBelieve1437that too
yeah
I loved how the sister was there to be comfort her sister
She should be mad at her mother too tf
Exactly
For the first two years of her life all the rest was him because he knew and refused to be there.
@@Acinom1980the mother should have told the parents to not get involved. The mother is to blame. The father went to pick his daughter up and the mother and her parents hindered this. This is a very bias episode.
She said she was on a healing journey we don’t know what steps she took with her mom that brought her to this point.
@@steffiblake5295 “As a parent you don’t get to stop trying” He had proof, he could have taken it to court, he simply protected himself instead of his daughter.
“Did you tell me that you needed me” - that statement there tells you all you need to know about him as a “father”. You can tell she’s a good mother to her children bc she knew that was nonsense.
A lot of fathers I. Society who don’t know how to express themselves or face shame face to face with the person they hurt always react like that smh
True. But she still doesn't has to be disrespectful
Trifling
@@kelvinturner8950it wasn’t disrespect it was pain.
Sounds like some bs my dad would say. When I was a kid my dad didn’t communicate with me consistently after my parents separate. When my mom confronted him his response was “well he don’t call me.” Sir you were the adult and I was literally a child. 🤨😒
Poor baby. She’s hurting so much, but I’m so glad she has such a lovely, enthusiastic sister to lean on. 🥺❤️
We are so hardwired to defend these men. He KNEW all along. He had the DNA test. He had rights he could have demanded with the help of lawyers and the court. NOTHING could keep me from my kid.
This is the one!!! The most legit comment on the thread. He weak asf
100% THIS. NOTHING. I've made 4 boys and raised my husband's daughter as mine. Nothing could keep me from those 5. We split. He moved out. She didn't. That's my kid. DNA be dammed. This guy just wanted an excuse
Indeed
@@bethawesome2900aweeeee this so sweet mama! You need another one cuz here I come 😂❤
Nothing in this world! I’m go through hell and hot water to see mine!
Omg I love her sister!!! I’m so happy she has her ❤
My dad is like this man and that’s why we rarely talk. The lack of accountability and the acknowledgement of actions on his part. I feel you girl❤ my heart breaks for you!
Sameee
Mine too 😢
As a man that’s going through this for myself idk what more women want from men.. and your the ones making the relationship hard you want us stick round and just be mentally tortured ran down used etc.? Nope it don’t work like that we will move on and if they reach out when they older then that’s on them. We tried. She needs to check her mama side of the family not him.
@@dylangibbons2707sad. A grown father CAN'T reach out? After he knew all along? He just stopped..
Sending you hugs. Unfortunately this is generational. That generation of parents has a very hard time with accountability. Be strong.
The fact that people still feel for someone who had the knowledge that they’re child was theirs and still didn’t fight how they should’ve is appalling. Regardless of how he feels he should’ve gotten the help he needed! It’s never a child fault for something the parents are dealing with and they shouldn’t endure such pain because of it! He still has a hard time taking accountability and would rather point out the wrongs of his child who was only a child. The way she views him now as an adult is something he caused on his own he allowed her to create this image of him and did nothing to fix it and now it’s too late.
He wasn't present because you are so rude to him. Stop being rude.
@@ms.weaver5746❤yeah that’s a dumb excuse for a lazy man. Children our rude sometimes. Parents are parents. They discipline not abandon
@@steakismynewnamenow8692It had nothing to do with the daughter though. The mom pushed him away and literally influenced the daughter’s actions.
Well don’t judge the foot without tryin to fit the shoe …what is wrong with sinners judging sinners for sinning differently??i now hate this show
@@ms.weaver5746 exactly ✌🏾
I’m SOOO IN LOVE with the older sister. Class Act!!! 🥰🥰😊😊👏👏🫶🏼🫶🏼
Because her dad raised her well. The father said all his daughters have respect for him except for the DNA daughter one.
@@Tait1990 that’s so sad 😞
She needs to take it up with her mom's family also. Most people aren't going to beg and fight to be part of a child's life if they've being told to go away
True
That's facts. Too many men try and try and the kid doesn't play there part.
She can't tell him to not speak of the grandmother because they were all part of this!!
It brought tears to my eyes that his daughter had to coach him. Pride is too big to see her hurt and put his child before himself.
(Tears running down my face)She looks more like him than the other "daughter" he claims. They even have a similar necklace on
Fr They basically have the same style
And you can tell she is stubborn just like he is!!
They all look alike
Read this exactly at 11:04 omg yes
Sad eh smh
Soon as I seen the thumbnail I said “ that’s her father , look at their slanted eyes.. both of there eyes droop down on the sides making them look slanted “ 😭😭😭😭
Whole face
Moral of the story he is so focused on himself .
The fact that he allowed her to go on tv for dna test knowing he already did one says all you need to know about him. He stopped coming around because her grandparents questioned his manhood , because they offended him. Look at how he pointed at her 😂 he is a joke. All the years he has lived and he is still looking for everyone to stroke his ego because he needs his manhood validated by everyone including children 😂. It’s actually hard to take adults like this seriously.
First of all you taking her side of story, do you know who raised her take her to school pay bills everything going out there fighting for her life to be batter she couldn't see that because he's busy Man trying to save his family. But all women supporting her because she 😭 cry did you even listen his story no , evening that TV show guy he didn't fix anything but also support her he didn't put the issue in a nice way
You should've blame her mother not father that is how our society are now days what women do which is wrong it's not be seen . A man can do small mistake the whole world will know about it grow up woman I support the a person who committe massage about the mother was wrong. This is s*** you karmao whatever your name is
@@Leon-io1qqthats why when it came to his side of the story everyone did everything to silence him… why is that??
If he's a joke then she's a joke. If that's his daughter then they have the same DNA blood she is him
All the men in this comment section dont have kids or dont take care of them because the dust is blinding me up in here😭
this man was going thru humiliation each time that he came.he protected his mind by staying away from the systematic disrespect.
Exactly and I don’t blame him I would have waited until she was grown to explain the situation
@@imperq2k163as for me I wouldn't be be in her life forever
I'm going to be honest....No one paid attention to him trying to explain her mom side of the family...If the women will be honest, when a woman is mad at her baby father, she can be messy and her family gets on board. It can be enough to push people away. My brothers ex-wife was messy, my niece was a new born I never saw her again until she was 22 and we now have an awesome relationship. We didn't point the fingers or blame we just moved on. That man has feelings too, and he's hurt as well. Did anybody here she raised her fingers up at him. Now with that being said. The fact that he knew it was his daughter, I agree as she got older he should have reached out. THERE'S ALWAYS TWO SIDES TO A STORY!
No hun, we heard him..he only. Explained away his faults. The man talked about traveling for business.. giving me the belief that he had enough education to get a lawyer or represent his self in a visitation or custody hearing. He had a legal right to his child. He thinks this young woman should be respectful to him like a daughter would be to a father but he hasn't earned it. He doesn't recognize that, she also doesn't realize how disrespectful she is to him because he is a stranger who was tasked with the responsibility to love and protect her and he failed and won't just admit to that.
🎯 they're completely ignoring his side. He came to see his daughter every time he came to town and they REJECTED him. And so did she when she got older. He was excluded immediately and wasn't given the chance.
@@eyabrock whew I thought it was just me. Thank you for sharing
@@eyabrock"they rejected him" SOOOO what!!! We heard him... you aren't listening... he thinks that matters.. you think that matters.. it does Not.. he likes to be in charge.. did you see that finger he was pointing? He said when he got a chance he tried to see his daughter... did ya measure or count how many times a week or year that was? He showed up when he felt like it. He didn't specify how often because he wanted us to know his work status, and what he did for a living and how important he was... thats the part nobody is hearing. He rejected his own daughter because he couldn't control the mama and grandma and later the daughter. Fathers rights isn't a new trend, Obama didn't make it law. Its been around. This father wants his rights, and control of how he is seen by presents himself in a stubborn self light.
I listened to both sides. He talked about her giving him the finger, and she talked about him disrespecting her decision about joining the military. Sounds to me like it went both ways. Don’t you think it’s odd he never told his kids there was a paternity test proving her to be his child and how he hesitated when asked about it? He reminds me of my father who is often incredibly insensitive with his words and actions and gives no forethought to how it might come across to other people. I had to finally accept that my relationship with him will never be one where I feel emotionally supported because he’s not that kind of person. If I need to cry my heart out I call my mother or my bff.
I wonder if he ever pursued visitations rights where he could have asked the courts to allow her to spend summers with him.
The older sister got robbed of her moment. 😢 She just wanted her sister to be glad that THEY were sisters. And her to hug her.. 🙏🏾
I think she will be the middle man for a while. The sisters will have a relationship
The sister is very bitter. Prob jealous.
It's not about their relationship! 😊
Growing up without a father makes some want to connect but then you realise there was a Devine reason to protect you from that toxicity, good thing she’s found out who he really , she is intelligent and strong , hopefully she heals and move on stronger ❤
I am sorry they CAN NOT BLAME HIM FOR IT ALL!
Her mother and grandparents played a role in their separation
Also the mom saying I don't want you in our lives and then he obliges is wild
He should have fought for HIS daughter no matter what
Be realistic though. Why would the mom be so stupid to that. Single moms are always mad at the world cause they couldn't get a happy family or be together so they act like they can do this themselves and put on this big boy pants like I got it I got it. When you knoe damn well them pants is too big. It's hard. I'm a single mom ill admit it's fucking hard. Men are needed for Hella shit. And if my kids father's wasn't 6 feet under or in jail I'd be happy to let my kids see they're dad. At the end of the you lie and say your kids want a home and they don't want they're dad to leave.
YOU don't want the dad to leave. The kids could give less of a fuck who he fucking on or where he sleep as long at they consistently see they dad. Like dead ass admit you need the belt and quit acting like your kids wouldn't be better and happier with they daddy around. Shit. Can't fit them big boy pants without the belt. Ya dig?
I got the impression her mother didn’t raise her.
She said her grandmother raised her
@@kiagraham2987you saying that but don't even know what that'll cost both sides. And I'm not talking about money either.
What the father did was not right , but it seems as if he was pushed away by the mother of his child and her family.
As a then a young man, can’t she see what this did to him? She should also blame her mother and other relatives in the family.
Can't say shit about her mean ass trifling grandma tho... That woman is brainwashed and I hate to say it but he is better off cutting his losses if she can't step back and look at things from an adult lens.
Exactly 💯 I'm torn on this one because I'm blaming both not just the dad
@GangstaBoo7 I'm with you on this one, too.
Why should anyone chase you down to be dad? He can travel all over for business but can't fight for parental rights? Fuck that guy
How do we know she hasn’t held her mother accountable but he should take accountability for not trying harder
Just because he blaming the mother don’t mean he’s right he’s blaming everyone but himself. He can’t take responsibility.
The mother and grandmother, told her another man was her father.. showed pictures.. told him dint come around.. bitter !
@@SD-ts7eband after that he took a dna test confirming that was his child. So what is the point of this comment? He knew for YEARS that was his child whether the mother and grandmother told him lies or not.
@@Liz-eb5deso that means the mother and grandmother also know yet it still changed nothing or the lies.
Someone needs to tell this woman, "A phone works 2 ways". Not everything is this man's fault. This is just a hurt woman who doesn't fully understand the situation between her moms family and here father.
My thing is... why push him away then say he wasn't present. That throws me off.
It’s the pain of rejections and abandonment
Because why wait till someone is an adult to try and be present????
bc she was a child when she rejected him and that was the fault of her mother. it's crazy hurtful when in adult life you're blamed for having "pushed away" a parent and the pa
and the parent chooses to stay away for years on end . when we were young and didn't want eat vegetables, our parents forced us/came up with new ways to make us eat them bc they knew we needed it better than what we thought we knew. for a parent to take a kid's reasonable rejection as a real and true thing throughout life , it says a lot about how badly they actually wanted that relationship.
this is not to say that parents are bulletproof, but they do have a lot more experience with critical thinking than what a kid does .
Not him trying to hug her and barely give an apology 😅
😂😂😂 and he will never be there
No man nor woman can stop me from trying to be there for MY child. I don’t care who says what! My child will know me. I will know my child. No excuses. He needed to heal years ago and step up and fight for his daughter. Real men do it everyday.
Real men decide not to mess with fake women… if my childs mother lied on my name , thats the devil homie.. i dont owe nothing to that situation.. yet he still here on tv TRYING. And everyones like no hes wrong … okay so where is the mother??? If she was raised by her mother she wasn’t raised with respect . Simply put . She was raised to believe that because shes old she can be a disrespectful aka a bitch.. thats not okay.. guilt tripping someone is not okay.. she says she doesnt owe him anything.. meaning not even an ear.. everytime he talks.. she cries… like bro seriously.. this reminds me of a girl getting caught cheating.. just a bunch of tears and zero understanding.. and the host is saying he didnt fight for her?? Where is the proof or evidence backing that statement ?? She jus said it so hes repeating it.. what they want is a man to come on to the show and submit and be wrong and look like total shit.. not actually understand and better this situation… when she feels something bad and sad , shes rightfully in her feelings… when he says he had pain from this situation, they shut him up and call it pride
NO EXCUSES.
Karamo looks too smooth in that burgundy suit!
He did everything but go to court and fight for custody
She looks just like him.I hope they learn to forgive and move forward.He has walls up.She got walls up.Knock those walls down and come together as a family.Life is short.Tomorrow is not promised to none of us
She’s hurt very delusional when he brought up her grandmother and how she shunned him away she said “don’t talk about my grandmother” she clearly didn’t hear wat he said and that’s gona be her downfall
Yea
THE DISRESPECT…oooohhh🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️the DISRESPECT!!!???…like waaaaaattt😢
I’m sorry Ik he’s wrong but he’s not the only one. There’s another side to this story and we’re only seeing one. We gotta start holding the other side accountable as well
Can’t hold the other side accountable after he knew she wasn’t 15 she was 2 he could’ve been there from that moment on and she wouldn’t have remembered otherwise he choose to stay away that’s on him
We don’t have to do squat this ain’t our family 😂😂 go deal with your own family drama
@@augustadams5006ain’t nobody talking to you specifically, who are you 💀
The reason is y she go on the show if she can’t forgive him but just like her father said how he use to go see her dat her grandma telling him dnt come see her so what else he suppose to do n even on the show she ain’t wana get up n give him a hug yeah he was wrong knowing she is his child n not fighting for her but she needs to grow up n stop holding n all dat anger cause half of it is on her mama n grandma side
@@lovingmyselfjones1881 He was supposed to go to court and enforce his rights. Simple as that. Legally he has rights and if the mother or grandmother made an issue the courts could’ve assigned a guardian ad litem to ensure he got his visitation and then the mother would’ve been held in contempt of court and faced jail time if she continued to deny him access to his child. That’s what he could’ve done.
That sister is the real MVP❤❤
Her mom and family should have some accountability in this situation. The brother tried at first but he just gave up.Still no complete excuse once he knew that was his child. One thing she inherit was a stubbornness like him. And probably a strong work ethic to succeed. Seems like they are cut from the same cloth.
I bet her mother is white and don’t want to show up for fear of everyone knowing that she and her family were doing exactly what the father said. He was brave enough to be there but mom was being cowardice.
The man was weak. He didn’t love his child. If he did, they wouldn’t be here
9:52 her sister is so supportive ❤❤
It's surprising how some parents who abandoned their children expect those children to have some manners. Whom do they think should have taught their own children some respect. No person respects automatically, s/he is taught. Worse if s/he grew with pain of being abandoned.
This is all facts
He said he wasn't told until she was two years old. He said he tried and the adults in her life kept him at bay. So many feel that should not have stopped him. But who's to say he didn't think it was in his best interest to keep trying because the adults could have told lies on him if he kept trying so he might not wanted to risk it. Was her energy the same with mom and grand parents. Her disrespect with no reguards to the fact the other adults in her life contributed to his not being there. Just because he was an adult and her father doesn't mean he knew what to do at that time.
@@jenniferconley1192 You say that just because he was an adult doesn't mean he knew what to do, yet we're holding the child to high standard and expecting the younger, less mature immature party to have handled the situation with poise and respect. Prime example of how we hold children to a higher standard than we hold grown folks...to the point where we expect kids to respect parents who weren't even present to earn (or teach) any respect.
She's not the only person in this world who didn't grow up with their parent. My father didn't grown up with his father and he was a very respectful man. Who taught him that? HIS OTHER PARENT and his grandmother who raised him. So, if the father doesn't teach it, it's not taught?
@@symone9156 People are not the same. That's her character. If you were brought up respectively, you need to respect her unique personality as well.
I’m confused.. because this man has been saying he’s been seeing her since she was 2 and has been in her life but the people that have been around her have been keeping him from her that’s not his fault he said he was still trying even with them doing that..
I’m confused too because flying in town here and there not fighting harder by going through the court IS his fault, that’s not trying very hard. She also became an adult that STILL had no real relationship with him and he’s holding what her family did against her. I’m confused how that point is being missed
He also did a dna test and knew that was his daughter... Straight to court we go... aint no one's parents about to tell me when I can see MY child. Fuck all that and these weak ass excuses...
There is a system for that!! He didn’t fight for her. He didn’t care
These “old school” parents are something else… They never want to take accountability and are so stubborn
And these new school parents allow there kids to run a muck and don't teach them respect, morales and the kids feel entitled. A lot of today's parents are scared of there kids.
This is a prime example of why people need to be married when they have kids. When you just sleep around with anyone, it leads to situations like this. Kids being dragged through the mud by both parents. Kids need a mom and a dad.
The same thing happens if people have children when they're married. People need to get therapy and work on themselves before they have children. That's it.
She even interrupted Karamo.
Wow, To have known since she was 2 years old and not tell her that you were 100% certain that she was your child and to sit on that stage and act as if she did something to you. Mind blowing!
As soon as he started apologizing I started to cry and couldn’t stop.
Maybe because I had a father who was there and a mother who was willing to ALLOW his presence in my life is why I'm finding it hard after the conclusion of this segment to pick a side. Not to excuse his absence, but time has afforded men to have more rights to their children TODAY than it did 30 years ago. BOTH of their feelings are COMPLETELY valid. Both are ALSO triggered by abandonment and rejection. I think this woman is hard pressed on being angry and making him jump through hoops. Unfortunately, most men don't create bonds out of blood, but through time and resources spent. I can see him giving up on her in the near future if she continues the rejection he's faced from her mother and her mother's family.
That’s exactly what it is. You had both parents and a healthy environment. People are projecting what’s familiar to them onto this 15 minute segment. The people who can’t relate to this can’t see it in pieces. They see the whole story and ask questions.
I understand her pain n etc but first part of healing is to let go and release maybe that hug from him would of release a lot since she never had one from him n maybe that would of released the stubbornness he had sometimes a hug make a huge difference in situations she stubborn too just like him
You are so right. And the fact that he was denied from day one causes him to be stubborn and their has to be a better way to break the ice and not disrespect him. I wish them the best though.
The thing about this is that the mom and her family was wrong. The daughter rudeness was out of line. The dad was also wrong for not being there since he knew for sure that was his child, he could have filed for joint custody. No excuses
Exactly
I don’t think the daughter was out of line, she is in pain. Her father rejected her her whole entire life, and she just found out that he knew that she was his, since age 2!
It won’t work with courts being pro women. There’s a point when the battling over a child in court affects the them just as bad. Unmonitored conversations take place in their household that mold a child’s attitude I was question why did I do so much and not receive the acknowledgment of who I was or what I do. The matriarch of the family, who was highly a respected elder by ALL the young ones said, “they are going to become a product of their environment”. I in return got defensive, but over 20+ yrs later that became the real. That matriarch has been gone 13yrs and all I can do is look toward the clouds and say, “I apologize, you called it”. Do you know the meaning of fighting a no win situation? Well, it does not escape scenarios involving a child. Someone has to be the wise one and notice the tolls it takes on the little ones and “stand still”. Elders say love them from afar and they will be back, if not pray always for God to cover them.
I definitely agree with her mom needs to take accountability too because she helped keep the father away from her
Respect is earned it's not given . She wasn't out of line at all . In fact I think she was rather composed.
How did he not try please Karamo interject. Why isn’t mom and family being held accountable
Never ask for an apology, it may not be genuine. Allow people to apologize on their own.
There’s always 2 sides to a story. Too bad the mom wasn’t able to be on the show. I hope the young lady and her father can forgive and build a relationship. The father said that her family didn’t want him to come around and it seemed like he tried but gave up. He should’ve fought harder to be in his daughter’s life but the mom should be held accountable too! Again, there’s 2 sides to a story.
There is a child and an adult here, the child's side is the only story that matters.
@@Ilikefrogs..wrong! Her feelings are based on one side. This man said he was misled into believing he was not the Father for 2 years. Then he was pushed out of her life by the Elders in her family. Her pain is due to his abandonment. She refused to hear that her Grandparents kept them apart. He gave up after being denied visits
@@rubyjaezhere is the thing… he had a chance to mend things in her ADULTA LIFE… but he was too stubborn to just say… “ok… this is MY child… I made a mistake.:: we made mistakes but this is MY DAUGHTER… let me try to truly mend this relationship”… the daughter has the right to feel abandoned.
@@checkoutmymelodee371 i never said she didn't Have the right. She needs to open her ears and hear boss side instead of saying 🖕🏼, or getting upset about your Grandma denying him visits. Her demeanor is disrespectful and bitter. I think her backed off when he realized that her hatred towards him outweighs logic
No accountability on the mother's part .
I respect Lavonnes hurt and armor against her father. But I genuinely feel that no one heard the father or addressed his trauma. He was a young man when she was born and he is working through his process.
No excuse
He's an old ass man. When do you stop "working through the process" and actually get stuff done?
Exactly cuz it's always about the kids. Soon as they're here it's like you stop existing and it's annoying🙄
I agree
It’s her disrespectful attitude that kept him at bay. I wonder what responsibility she placed in her family for pushing him away. I’m not sure what she excepted him to embrace her after giving him middle fingers and cursing at him I would be bothered with her either
As i read through these comments, I can't help but feel for this girl. People are saying she has a stank attitude or saying it's the mother's fault, there's such a lack of empathy for her, the pain she experienced, is still experiencing, the rejection she's felt. Even the sister corroborated the pain. I can say there's NOTHING a person could say to keep me away from my child.
Yes, there are trifling women who make it extremely difficult for a man to be an active participant in their children's lives, but there are plenty of women who are very accommodating, yet the men don't even try. It's not a child's responsibility to it's our as parents to build and maintain relationships. It's our responsibility as parents to not cause pain like she is feeling. She didn't make the decision to be born but is paying for the decisions both parents made.
My son had this experience. As long as i was willing to put up with the bs from his father, he was "dad." As soon as i stopped, the relationship stopped. It shouldn't be that way.
I understand you your pov but the mother and grandparents did that man dirty
This is heartbreaking. She deserves love
In all of this, she never apportioned any blame to her mother. The man had no issues with his other children, just you. The problem is clearly your mom, plus it gets worse as time goes by. If she has not learned that her mum was wrong, she'll probably act the same way to her kid's father.
That “are you done” then pointing is a trigger for her. Soon as he said that she started crying. It’s like the lil girl in her screaming for her dad to understand, love and accept her. He has too much ego, he’s more focused on responding n getting his point across then listening n understanding her. My dad does the same,expects me n my sisters to reach out and call to check on him. But doesn’t reciprocate unless he wants money. Some people are just mentally arrested it’s best to walk away. Blood doesn’t make you family. I hope she heals from this n keeps her distance. 💜People like this man don’t change 💯
So his feelings as a father doesn’t count? I understand he’s PARTLY to blame but let’s be honest her mother side of the family is the other part. Who would want to come around to pick up their child just to hear “why is he here?” Or being told to not come around. That would hurt and make someone not want to be around. Every time he tried to explain himself it’s shutdown. In my opinion that was unfair.
No, they don’t count.. she is the child. Yes, even if the mother is keeping the child away, which is wrong.. there are ways to fight to be in your child’s life, not just give up because his feelings are hurt, because the child won’t see that. His “explanations” sound like excuses, and he’s blaming the wrong person.
I swear this show stay having me in crying. The show is sad but powerful at the same damn time.
Dad u wrong as the day is long
I'm sorry but u can't tell a person u don't want them in your life but then get mad when they give u what u ask. ...dad seems like he tried but was rejected by her and her family....shes making it hard for dad. Wonder if she has any of this disrespect towards her mother...she doesnt want a relationship...why is she on the show?...confused.
THANK YOU!
He took a dna test, had proof that she was 100% his, yet made no effort to go to court and get to legally be apart of her life? But it's her fault lol
@@willynillysillymonobearshe should also be annoyed with her MOTHER
Thanks 👍
The Father should be EMBARRASSED to be on that stage knowing that he already KNEW. the truth!!!!! smh
Me me me me…all about him!!
The sister is On Point❤❤ I hope she can be the bridge to reconciliation ❤
I swear some men just don't get it, its actually frightening.
Big sis you are lovely, l wish you were mine lol. Keep working on your dad, l hope he continues to grow through you.
Little sis you really can't change the past so try to forgive as much you can, its the only way forward. And try to remain respectful.
Corey Holcomb said when the man does not love the woman, he will not love that child
Thank goodness for the sister. My father wasnt there for me at all griwing up but my sisters and brother have been my rock. Especially since he passed a few years ago. I feel this woman's pain.
What a wonderful sister to have. 💜
Even after all of her pain due to her FATHER’S missteps, she is still open to bettering their relationship. This says everything who she is and how far she’ll go. She’s so young & strong!
She is not open to bettering the relationship. And it's not just her Father's missteps, it's her mom and brand grand parents.
Her mom is much to blame for all the confusion. You can never be one sided. In this case it's a one sided story. Where is the mum and grandma who refused him coming over. You can't blame the father alone. She should have brought her mum and father face to face infront of Karamo.
The sister is the BEST! Love her spirit ❤️
Priceless ❤
“I KNEW you were my sister; I knew you were my sister”!
💎 💎 💎 💎 💎
I know he felt embarrassed when she rejected the hug 😭😭😭😭😭
I am NOT saying that her father is right but they need to give him a chance to speak. Her mother, grandmother and grandfather are also to blame and NOT only him.
the sister is real hero! Yessssss be there I love her energy ❤️
IMO all are wrong. Her mother & grandmother told her that he wasn’t her father & pushed him away when he came to see her. They also lied to her from the start knowing that he was her father & it was proven through paternity. He didn’t try hard enough to be there for her like he should have that’s why she’s so hurt. Honestly, instead of only being mad at her father she should be mad with her mother & grandmother also because they pushed him away when he came to see her.
At the end of the day you are the parent that’s YOUR CHILD AND YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to ensure that you have a relationship with YOUR CHILD THAT DID NOT ASK TO BE IN THIS WORLD like come on and he’s to sassy with all that finger action gettin on my nerves 😒🙄
I’m sorry, but she is rude. You could see that he made efforts in the past and she rejected him at every step bc of what her family said abt him or him not being a constant figure in her life. I hope she’s able to let her guard down and live in the present and allow herself to form her own narrative of who he is.
As she should be. If you've barely been in someone's life, you can't walk up to them with authority and treat them like a child. They don't know you. The trust you broke with them has to be rebuilt.
he seems extremely stubborn. The daughter owes him nothing. He hasn't done a thing for her.. i could imagine he reached out whenever he felt like it.. and showed up just like how he showed up on this couch. Blaming her mama and her grandmother.. those people owed him nothing. He doesn't care to take responsibility.. he cares if he is respected. Hearing he knew for sure since she was 2 yrs old that she was his child was hard to hear.. his personality is the issue, he's to stubborn to own his part. The older daughter clearly has told him... he is wrong, continues to be wrong but He has decided he is right. In my head a younger version of this man might have been hell on wheels. Why would the grandmother ask why is this man here if he was never an issue or a problem in the past? People love telling you the parts they want you to hear .. he didn't show up for his daughter and he has a whole granddaughter he doesn't know doing the exact same thing to her.. he can't have it his way so he walks away.
@@TheZogie ummm
11:38 He Sound Like Hikeem Father From Off Coming2America “King Jaffe Joffer! 😆
Equal pain is CRAZY .. that is not equal in the slightest
Agreed
I disagree
Somethin went wrong and we didn't get to hear his side, she CLEARLY has decided to only take her mothers side of the story, and she was rude....even if she was hurts, a person needs to be WILLING to hear both sides of the story. Men get shamed and shunned in many cases like these, we wonder why our country is the way it is, too much disrespect for men/fathers. Where was the mom at? and If what her father said was true, what father wants to keep getting pushed out by the mother and her family. I wanted to hear what he had to say, and I noticed his demeanor very calm not disrespectful yet, the audience clapping repeatedly for his daughter and her bad attitude. Had Karamo been doing his job he would've let the father speak more but for ratings or him wanting to side with the children so much he didn't want to hear what this man had to say.
Thank you! This is exactly what I was stating as well. No, I’m not a father; however, speaking from a man point of view, we always being bashed but the mother never being held accountable for her action as well. Karamo should’ve done a better job with this episode. The daughter was so disrespectful towards the man, it makes sense why he stayed away.
Bre need her own show 🤍🤍 I’m loving her
I tend to see Karamo go with society most popular solution to sum a 15-20min. program. The lack of acknowledgment for the other parents efforts always comes with a “but”. My nephews Mom carried him out to my car by one leg and arm with screaming, “no, no…etc”. She said he’ll be alright. She knew me and the character of the family when it came down to the children. That child now is in their 40’s and I call him my dawg😂😂😂. We’re partners to the end all because he doesn’t have a bitter mother and she has my upmost respect.
There are soooo many wrongs in this story. If she’s truly ready to “heal”, she’d be willing to “hear” and understand that her story is not the only “truth”.
He also needs to hear and accept her hurt. But he can’t because his “truth” is that the other adults in her life denied him access and controlled the narrative for her as a child.
And to add fuel to the fire they more than likely added all of the negative stuff into her head about him. They knew what they were doing, it’s sad he chose his peace over her love tho but we don’t know how much hell her mom family had in them.
Facts. There is always a cause and effect!!!! It’s not either of there faults. It’s always an outside source thinking it’s the right thing to do but not knowing they are doing is more harm.
According to what he said, he denied himself access. When he learned she was his daughter, that's the moment he should've consistently been present in her life. Her family was wrong, but it doesn't negate him stepping away from his role as a Father. They are both reaping the consequences of his absence. From her behavior towards him, to the hurt they both feel.
@@nca4794so you only pay attention when it feeds your narrative. Did you miss the part where he didn't live in the same place. That every time he got into the city that's the first place he went.
@@burna21bitum, I don't have a narrative. You clearly missed the part where he said he's known she was his child nearly her whole life, and still chose to be absent.
Now I see why she is mad because he knew.
What a great sister she loves them both but she wasn’t bouta let dads bullshit slide !
I will never understand how someone can disconnect like that.. knowing you have a child out there.
Imagine thinking it’s a child’s job to give you anything. “I left the communications open” like that’s the same thing as making an actual effort. I was raised by my grandmother and my dad always lived with her but my mom always made the effort to stay in my life even though it was a really hard situation for her to be in. She still makes a lot of effort without trying to be overwhelming- speaking of I want to reach out to her and thank her for that. It’s not easy and it’s always easier to just be like “you could have reached out to me” but a real parent makes the effort even at the expense of being rebuffed.
Girl you told him to stay away and put your middle fingers up to him regardless of whether he's your father or not, if someone feels disrespected and unwanted they're not gonna put up with it, you're stubborn too for not seeing how you're wrong in this
The only thing I wish would have happened here is that they went back and acknowledged the Dad’s hurt. He started crying in the end. Men’s emotions get looked over for the exact reason of what happened on this stage. Yes he’s stubborn. Yes he was wrong. However, he did apologize. She didn’t acknowledge his apology. He kept trying to speak about his pain but no one wanted to hear it. You cannot heal a relationship if the focus is solely on the child. Adults can have arrested development themselves and need their inner child healed. This man has once again experienced rejection and it was done publicly. I would have love to have seen both of their pain acknowledged and not just him being asked for an apology but allow him to speak about his traumatic experiences as well. The healing is for the both of them individually and together. God bless them both.
I agree
Mic drop! He was in pain! Karamo, was wrong!
@@SD-ts7ebhe doesn't know nothing karamo is gay
This is a tough one. Everyone is hurt and guarded but I always think Dads should do more to make sure they are in their childrens life
The blame goes to her mom and grandparents for keeping him away. I don’t blame him at all for being resistant to blame.