TDW2024: Kuro Producer Q&A Wuthering Waves Global Operation Strategy, Shortcomings and Future Plans
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Summary of 2024 TapTap Kurogames Interview
Wuthering Waves's global operation ideas
Main Discussion Points:
1. Global Independent Distribution:
- Kuro Games' commitment to global self-publishing and maintaining the same version worldwide.
- Benefits of spontaneity: efficient feedback loop with users, leads to accurate and effective optimizations.
- Timeline and experience: It took 7 years to achieve global spontaneity, starting from the launch of Wuthering Waves in 2024.
- Learning process: Built distribution capability gradually, starting with Punishing Gray Raven and learning through practice and observation.
2. Post-Launch Observations and Shortcomings:
- Experience and challenges faced after launching Wuthering Waves.
- Continuous learning and improvement based on user feedback and market conditions.
3. Future Directions:
- Goals and strategies for the future of Kuro Games’ global operations.
- Emphasis on maintaining a global version to ensure freshness and exceed user expectations.
Detailed Insights:
- Punishing Gray Raven experience: Initially focused on domestic release, gradually took back overseas distribution rights.
- Importance of self-publishing: Direct user feedback leads to better content creation and optimization.
- Achieving global version: Addressing time-limited wear and tear for overseas users to enhance their experience.
Conclusion:
- Commitment to global self-publishing and maintaining a global version for all products.
- Continuous improvement and leveraging experience from past products to enhance future releases.
Inshort: Kurogames values global player feedback and strives for continuous improvement, so provide them with constructive feedback to further improve the game.
Source: b23.tv/SArJLdG
Let's hopefully they make more game for the console, right? Naru.
@@Rubicon_621 For sure
@@christophermauro-barias7451 *crickets*
@@narushio hope they keep it like this in future even kuro games becomes bigger than their rivals ❤
Kuro Games is worth supporting.
It's very rare to find game devs and company that actually has passion for their products, and love for their dev team, staff, and players.
They deserve to be on top.
I like the fact that they're not afraid to show and be aware of what was causing the bad ratings. They know that the game's ratings aren't that high on TapTap and isn't sugarcoating it in this interview, they even listed out the concerns by players. As a player it feels reassuring to know when the devs are properly looking at feedback
i just hope KURO GAMES as whole will continue its success more in the future
I have a good feeling, that they will 👍
Next game, Punishing star bus
Love the players, love the game and love the team. This is awesome mindset :) You can definitely see it in KURO.
“i think it’s OK as long as we can survive” Awww that’s so sweet😭 They’re not greedy. They’re fine with as long as the game can survive 😭
Thats what you say when you still in debt for tencent. Even the ceo is copium seeing their revenue 😂
@@harfi212 tecent is greedy to the core lol kuro games devs are not lol in pgr their super generous asf same in wuwa you hoyoshill😂
@@harfi212lol, so idiot 🤡🤡🤡 you do not know that tencent have 15% no major action
@@k-BlazeWW30 iirc Tencent owns like 18% of Kuro's share, so lets just hope Kuro still maintains control
@@torototoro1252 it's 14% or below, that's still low
Love yourself, Love the players, Love the game...Whenever PGR and WuWa have a survey for us to fill out and the final section allow us to type in our suggestions and feedback, I would always tell them to remember to have fun making the game. I'm glad to hear that here. PGR Global may be a year behind, and I can understand that it would be upsetting for the players, but that's not stopping me from playing it. I still got a lot of story to read. Makes a good pastime while I wait for WuWa's next patch.
Couldn't agree more!
And I also leave a little note of thank you for the dev for creating and trying to make a good game
Good idea
@@hxppythxughts7149 yea let's support kuro games. they really care alot for playerbase oversome H company who only cares about money
Kuro dev team deserves a big hug
Kuro is the only reason why i watched a 16 min chinese video with barely understandable english translations.. the take away..
3 rules:
love yourself
love the players -> EMPHASIS on this.
love the game
and that is why i will stick with Kuro always..
kuro's emphasis on making a game with new mechanics makes sense considering i havent seen a game with a skill system like PGR
but but but reddit says they overworked the employees so reddit must be right?
@@motokaichou2010i dont think anyones trying to deny that theyre overworked? 1.0 released the game at such a bad state and even in the video solon says that thats the reason why 1.0 has the low reviews that it did.
you should look at a photo of solon before and after wuwa; dude looks like a mess. the games definitely improved since but can tell from his complexion that it hasnt been easy.
@@motokaichou2010 so you want them to laze around when they trying so hard to make the game work for the players, dunno about you, sure it might look overworking the employees but they are doing something rather than having a deaf ear and claim their game is fine
@@motokaichou2010 "reddit is always right" - kuro haters
"When your own team's expectations can be lower, and you exceed expectations your team will actually have stronger faith, willing to do it and have a stronger sense of acomplishment"
its basically what he said at 6:48 to 6:55
I say whatever expectation and hope they have did reflect in the game. I hope they can dream bigger and act bolder from now on
Bro, I just love this game sooooo much, these devs, this community... everything about Kuro Games just puts a smile on my face😁😁😁
Solon looks tired and is just straight up rapping. I hope they get the rest they deserved. Im happy that they are making bank with Wuwa
To Kuro, Congratulations on your success in Wuthering Waves, thanks for making Wuthering Waves, I hope u continue to optimise the game and add in future content to make the game bettter and hence can experience more success in the future.
It's a rocky start, but I trust in Kuro to cook and always want to do better. Just hope they get some more rest.
Love yourself + the team, love the game, and love the players to form the proper mindset for long term development. Very good quote. All they can do is keep cooking and do better each time. I'm excited to see how wuwa shapes out 1, 2, etc. years from now even with future competitors coming soonish, and hopefully looking back and thinking wow how far they've come just like PGR.
Solon seems like he just got back from work to his apartment then forgot that he still have a meeting to attend to. 😁
Nah that's just how a developer looks haha
Hes really casual, humble... Average gacha ceo
Sometimes feel like,
Solon is the gacha game version for Hololive Yagoo.
The tired oldman with passion for what they're doing.
@@pretz313better than some H company C.e.o that do nothing good but scamming ppl
6:33 is real emotion
i am still amaze how well aware the devs is to the games problem..
all the best & well wishes to kurogames, keep cooking! thank you for creating both PGR & Wuwa! oh and lucia's new frame is just insane! also thanks narushio for the upload ;)
Thanks Naru for English dub, now I can understand what he’s saying about. I hope they will add more like details and more quests in the future though. Thanks for Kuro Games making Wuthering Waves, actually some impressive graphics, I also love the log in, finally no more a big ass corridor and a large ass door with 100% brightness, instead they have Male and Female Rover one standing on the rock and one sitting and some amazing background music. Hoping for more update in the future 🔥💙
That "conservative mindset" about not dreaming too big is the same of Hidetaka Miyazaki, by the way. I guess when you focus on making a good game instead of making big revenue you will actually make a good game.
For real. The idea that even though money is a priority but the devs actually wanna make a good game is nice and makes me want to support them
Never really thought about it. It makes them stand out compared to other gacha companies. Its a really good mindset to have
True, creating a good game is in my opinion should be the top most priority, because then big revenue will soon follow as the "side-effect" of creating a good game... not the other way around.
That's actually a great mindset. Don't focus on success. Focus on bringing your A game in whatever you're doing and success will automatically follow suite
Also, dreaming big is inevitable in the path to success. It's the byproduct of any person/business who wants to succeed with whatever they're doing. However, it's also important to not dream so much that you can't even focus on the very matter at-hand that's gonna lead you to those dreams and end up getting lost in your dreams
Stay humble and focus on what you got in your hands. You'll eventually get to where you wanna go to
@@kaionyoki3670same here 🤝
With Kuro and WuWa 'til the end.😊
This video really warms my heart I'm tearing up 🥺 keep going Kurogames! All the hardships and struggles will pay off! I'll do the same so I can support you in every little way I can ❤
Holy shit, it's john kuro
Solon Lee looked like he hasn't slept for a week
bro was straight rapping when he was talking about the peformance issues in the game, him and kuro's been really busy these past 2 months; you could hear it in his voice
That what happen when you getting chased by tencent why the revenue getting lower and they want their money back.
@harfi212 That's not how investors work
It's actually great that they're hearing the feedback from global and making changes.
DEVS LISTENED and
________ could never
Grande Kurogames, diciendo que planes tiene a futuro se agradece que pongan este tipo de informacion. Por esto deje Genshin y no me arrepiento, me encanta los DMC, los RE, el Blazblue, DOA, Borderlands, Darksiders. Es como si juntaran todos mis juego favoritos.
Gracias por crear un gran juego.
even back then when i still play pgr, kuro already become one of few developer i can trust. they maybe can be slow, but they listen.
we need to keep maintain healthy and wise community so kuro can get the best feedback we can give
cheers for kuro 🍻
I have full faith in kuro, they wull surely reach more success!! Full support to the devs! Pls keep on growing, here for very long time!!!😊
Solon the 🐐
Wish you all the best and more success kuroG
He actually talked a lot about what they have learned from PGR’s case(licensed out) and why they decided to publish WuWa themselves this time. Though there’re so many mistakes made in US and JP markets’ publishing process since these guys had no global publishing experience before, their guts and passion should be seen. Consumers have no obligations to pay for developers’ mistakes e.g. poor LOC quality and cheap marketing materials, this game does show a potential of a great live-ops game in the future, this video makes me remind of Hello Games and no-man-sky
Hello Games got so much backlash even from Sony and they gotas better, very well improvement
We should support Kuro Games, they are working hard doing their best and listening to players.
I think I'm Kuro fan now :)
They confirmed different regions again. It's nice to see them talking about the importance of releasing content simultaneously for CN and Global cause as fun as PGR looks thats one of the main reasons I don't feel like playing. I wish these devs the best.
Also where was this filmed. At an event or at an investment meeting?
Solon himself acknowledged the misstep in releasing global far behind CN in the interview . This was why they opted to release Wuwa simultaneously for global and Cn
This is a gaming industry exchange meeting held by TAPTAP
Wuwa's survey is the only survey I will fill out properly cuz ik they will look at our feedbacks and work on them asap, unlike some other games.. I just filled out their survey randomly for saving time and in-game rewards cuz ik they dgaf.
Thanks naru for the news❤❤😊
@@NickyTuan You're Welcome!
That's why we support Kuro Games. 😊
Thank you for the translate!
8:55 I salute this man's dedication to identifying the core issues of the game through player feedback. 100K tickets is no joke, considering there must have been much more tickets at launch. And they solved a lot of them. It's such a breath of fresh air to see this man amongst a sea of arrogant devs who only want players to buy stuff from them and nothing more. Whatever money that goes this company will be put to great use, I can feel that in my gut.
Ty for the English sub
El futuro es muy prometedor. Que cuenten conmigo como usuario vitalicio 🥰
Solon-sama!! 👏🏻
The main problem with Wuthering Waves was the overcorrecting in terms of story. The original story was way more cohesive, better delivered, and showcased the character's personalities and struggles and strengths. Maybe they just picked a bad batch of testers, or maybe the testers were overdramatic with their complaints. But the story of CBT 1 felt more emotionally varied, and intelligent. Please stay true to your vision Kuro, keep your focus on making a great story, and don't dumb it down from what you originally wanted it to be.
no cbt 1 story is garbage
cbt1 story is worse, most people who say is better never played cbt1
I wouldn't say the CBT story is better. But I must say that there are VERY VITAL elements from the CBT that castrated the release's story-telling.
For instance, the removal of that Crownless cutscene stripped Crownless of this sense of actual threat and the threat of the TDs itself. Removed a great opportunity for character development and rovers' relationship with the cast. And the over-glazing.
Same with little elements like the bells ringing to signify danger and Chixia got worried. In the current one, the connection between the rover and the cast needs to be established further. For instance, the Avenger pose at the end only felt relevant for some of the cast like Yangyang but not for Yuanwu or Taoqi.
Perhaps the biggest offender is that the world bosses are tied with a character before. Now, they're just world quests. They could've used them to build the character and the lore. Not just the lore.
Still, I have hope. I want them to stick to their original vision.
the original story outside of the intro was trash and made no sense.
no the overall story of cbt 1 is considerably worse
intro is fantastic though
thats one of the only thing they shouldn't have changed along with the introduction of the characters of the main cast
i really love pgr and wuwa my two favorite games and i hope you won't continue to overwork yourself and i'm sure you will go far and it will definitely be worth it, wuwa will be the first game i will invest money in and i wish you all the best ❤
15:53 is👊💯
shout out to publisher who give PGR right to kuro
All the best for kuro games. The same for hotta for NTE and amazing sea sun for Mecha break.
you forgot about hoyo 🤪
With the recent fiascos about hiring consultants that hates games, self publishing is becoming more important. I'm glad Kuro has this stance and is not willing to hire people that don't like games.
Still support kuro no matter what ❤
Love yourself, Love your game, Love your players
Kuro games ill keep covering wuwa contents ❤ keep giving us great contents okay :)
11:54 For your information, other region are confirmed
Guessing maybe the
New Federation (NF) is the USA/Medieval French and British empire region?
(Said to have corrupt nobles, Calcharo homeland backstory)
(Bad vegetation needing artificial plants, Encore character details about Verina)
And Rinas / Rinascita is the Japan region equivalent.
(Have Intelligent TD, fluent in human speaking like Abby)
Youd be surprised that there are actual black characters in pgr lol
one of them is even the main villain for the current story in cn
@@Brother_Zeke at the very least for their track record, in pgr, when they do Sophia (Sofia) Silverfang she's pretty good. Jamila as well, npc in story.
When it's taken as an inspiration, it is deemed respectable also with Vonnegut.
@@najmifarhan6052 Adiliek havent been in the spotlight for awhile so we never had anyone aside from Sophia unfortunately. They are good and definitely alot better than mihoyo at making darker skin tone character
Then again, dont wanna be pessimistic but i really do not want WuWa to start attracting the disgusting toxic twitter mobs that whines about skin color on the daily
@@DCminh-pe9wf true dat, need new Sophia and changyu frame, also, WHAT happened to the eternal train after the time skip? Didnt quite follow the story in the future so spoilers is fine.
The company deserve this but i hope they can take their breaks to rest and don't push their self on those greedy player's 🙏
12:19 I loved the exposure to the Chinese culture in this game. I loved that in Genshin too but Kuro was very subtle about at time and very forward with it at other times and I loved that kind of exposition. God bless Solon and his WuWa team.
加油！在原神的围剿下活下去是很不容易的
the only problem now is the mobile optimization and even better voice acting and keep the story or make it even better than 1.1.. thats it the game is really really good
Yes.. EN voice acting needs to be better!
I really wanna go back to Wuwa, looking forward for mobile controller support: 'DDD
I came back to this vid because of the recent demand of male characters recently. A lot of people said that Solon actually reconsiders on changing the gender ratio on the game in future versions
13:37 is this the part where he talks about that?
Solon lee enjoy f2p player!
I love you guys🎉🎉
I notice that there's a sutble romance with the trio(yang yang, Chixia & Bhaizhi) with the mc and it gives me the ick.
Bro only Yangyang is hinted to have feelings for the MC. Chixia is more platonic. Baizhi barely even interacts with us
Wait so Hero giving PGR JP back to Kuro is because Kuro finally knew how to publish the game themself? or am i wrong?
They just wanted to get back their publishing rights
@@narushio Yeah that's what i meant, good for you Kuro and Solon
Hero cant do anything to Solon anymore since his success with WW and Solon is the highest stock holder on Kuro, plus Hero is just Kuro partner, with how Solon does and what Hero do in the past, Solon can literaly shut hem if he want to lmao, thats why they gave PGR JP back to Kuro
He looks exhausted. Why doesnt smo talks about this
however, I have been waiting for two months for a solution to the problem with replenishment, when the money was written off, but the goods were not received
i had the power to make exactly 900 like and i did
I wonder Kuro games chase competition against Hoyoverse in revenue, profit, popularity and trust no attract string?
Some one need to send them a ticket that ask them to rest properly, bro wtf he look so tired during this Q&A
Damn,, So Kurogame Dev know the suffer of global Player including me that so Frustrated that why Global Version is so far behind and why i can't get this character in my version. damn i can feel that, it really hurt, really
FRENCH TRADUCTION FOR PGR PLEASE KUROOOOOO 😭😭😭😭
Honnêtement, essaye d'apprendre l'anglais. Cela va te faciliter la vie, je te le promets. 👍
I just hope that they will do everything to break away from the hoyoverse model. exploring feels like playing another genshin. And then the universe doesn't make you want to explore. I think it's missing something. I also hope that we will have teasers/roadmaps for the sequel to Wuthering Wave and more effort on the writing. But above all more communication with the community. I hope that KUROGAME succeeds and becomes a reference
@@Zeref-n7u Could you explain what you mean? Exploring feels like another game since I fail to understand how you could feel the same when you have so much freedom while exploring ultimate stamina, wirebug, wall climbing, Parkour, etc
@@narushio It's definitely much freer, I agree, but when I say exploration gives a feeling of deja vu, it's at the level of the different game mechanics, for example to access chests. Farming resources also via pharmacy or synthesis makes you unconsciously think of another game. I think the game should stand out at this level. Also we should help us to focus the main substances on our echoes. It quickly becomes repetitive. the game is amazing but i think there is something to be done about it. Also a mounting system would be needed. That would already be enough to stand out
@@narushio the problem is that the game gives the impression of being made for players who can't stand a genshin anymore, for example. Except that the moment quickly comes when you most want to connect. I expect more than that from the game. honestly I wish I didn't feel this way anymore because I really love the game and KUROGAME
@@Zeref-n7u Kuro games will shine in their own in the future, just like PGR, that game already seperated itself from hi3.
We could just wait for like 2.0, the changes will be major.
Maybe the core exploration can't be changed that easily, but I hope Kuro will continue to find their own touch and style... like more gloomy vibe or atmosphere, or darker/depresing story, and not shy away from showing grotesque stuff in game.
This is exactly why i don't have motivation to play pgr anymore. The 1 year gap is painful and just spoils the excitement for me. I installed CN version but I don't have the energy to start again and of course its Chinese so I don't understand shit. Gen 2 gameplay didn't help as I like gen 1 gameplay more with orb management and not too ult spammy. Ended up uninstalling both. Kinda missed orb system. Now I'm just sticking to wuwa and so far enjoying it.
100%.. if global had a simultaneous release schedule with CN it would have been a bit more successful.. The year gap is the main reason why i dont play anymore as well it's frustrating af
I was shocked that pgr is actually very delayed.. so bad it's hard to fix it
Yep staying strong for the current CN lucia patch though 😂. Also the gachable alpha skin
As an FGO player, this is more like a blessing for me
Indeed, however..
I loved that gap, so I can prepare more BC, materials and memories...
Because, I don't believe my luck for pulling
I just hope PGR global ver. can catch CN server🗿, even if just 4 or 5 mounth maybe is enough than 1 years😬
True but they need to do that by not skipping very important banners like Lamia
@@HazardTone yeah, like make 20 days just for A rank :'v
No, pls don't. I still need time to get black cards 😢
It's fine by me. At least now we could anticipate and save.
Where Dong?
Solon is the CEO so he is representing Kuro
Good that the company learn their past mistake. The reason i dont even want to play PGR is because the global version is behind CN version and that's such a big turn off for me.
10:10 pokemon?
pokemon like sytem, Echo
ofcourse the guy with the pokemon profile notices it 😭
I hope you will be adding Russian soon. Since the release started, there has been no update from you.
Solon with old shirt at meeting 😂
He's based for that
Of all gacha games I played
Wuwa makes me feel guilty for being f2p
Deep sea
Can't wait for the SWANSA region to have characters paler than Yinlin 😍
We wanna know about the ps5 version release date
1.2
@@Babaoum there are no official news yet
There are no official news yet @@Babaoum
@@Babaoum surely they would've said something by now tho
@@Babaoum no
I've seen people saying that Kuro is adding more male characters but after watching this I didnt get that, where does he say that excatly? Maybe its this clunky en translation but he said only that both genders are good but nothing about gender ratio? Because if they keep the current ratio for longer atleast my interest of playing and spending money is very low because they keep having multiple waifus back2back. :/
I'm here for that
Kuro made the MC a generic isekai character that everyone loves and instantly trust in the beginning, the previous story from the beta was far more better and exciting.
ruclips.net/video/pyNCN7PPOTY/видео.htmlm32s
6:39 How money and fame changes a man. Most of your KR and Global PGR player base are not happy with how you're handling the Accelerated patch situation.
Stop👏nerfing👏male👏characters
Stop
Xiangli Yao doesn't need nerf
Wdym ? Xiangli Yao still op, It's normal to make fixes to balance certain characters + he's free, so u can get sequences easily if you find it too weak
he is stronger than Changli lol
Its called adjustment
that's the beta test so they can "adjust" their kits just fine
No nerfs happened because Xiangli Yao is 👏 still 👏 in 👏 beta 👏
Mr. So Lonely
Bro he looks miserable... Aware
Локализацию русскую сделай, заколебал.
Думаю будет. Вед сам сказал что в основном низкая оценка было плохой оптимизации и локализации
yeah we need brazilian portuguese too! more localizations please!
@@darkage98 наоборот не будет, они даже на Англ не могут сделать достойную локу, а другие языки переведены хуже чем ИИ, о каком русском речь, хватит дышать копиумом
@@Enrias00 не твое дело чем я буду дышат, ок?
. Сам сотрудник подмечает основные причины плохой оценки. Им нужен бабло и им прям приходится исправится чтобы продать. Так почему не может быть исправления? Особенно когда они сами прекрасно понимает в чём обосрались?
Про русского языка я лишь сказал своё мнение учитывая у них именно с локализации проблемы.
@@darkage98 Ахахах Геншиненка порвало
20 sec in and he drop the n word like wtf
Anyway for it to make it in English dub
@@astadevilunion1 read the subtitles out loud
OOT, but that's a terrible shirt for presentation.
Looks like he just finished painting some wall.
He’s tired
Where is he even looking too 😂
@@kaionyoki3670there is nothing funny about it when they working hard to improve the game. Imagine if you were in their position and having to work hours on a game without much sleep
@@Mary-f9z yeah, quite the understandable role
still need to work on optimization of the game ppl= still have complaints and the echo level system is horrendus. worst in a gacha ive seen yet.
optimization could be better but the echo system is better than most gatcha wdym its bad?
@p4ntom87 you're kidding right you can go so many runs without getting the stat main you want you're locked behind 5 set piece oh and you can't feed your unranked echos and tuner and echo exp are scarce not to mention it closes 60 stamina for fields? it's some of the worst but ppl wanna play leesin blind monk because you can farm in overworld but that gets dull overtime
@@christophermauro-barias7451 The only somewhat difficult part is getting 3 cost with the correct main stat, but that's also still easier than farming a planar set in HSR
@@christophermauro-barias7451Mate, compared to Genshin where I needed ALMOST a year just to fully build my Raiden, Echo system is pike Heaven compared to GI's artifact system
@CoFF3e_Man that seems like a skill issue it took me 1 day to build mine and tour forgetting what genshin has over most games. the reaction system. ww is a stat check other than your skill. genshin has elemental reactions to compensate for non optimal stats. you have 4 char slots.
mate I think you are stupid 🙄 🤣 😂
One of the rare gacha companies you can respect. ❤
15:47 damn 🥹
Is it finally here?
A passion game?
This makes me so happy. 🫡
I'm glad to see people being so positive here, it makes me feel like there is a really great side to the wuthering waves community, always hoping for the better for both devs and players.