I'm reminded of All Star Superman, when Superman destroys the super power formula, resulting in my favorite exchange. Luthor: With it, I could've saved everyone. Superman: If you really wanted that, you would've done that a long time ago. Luthor: You're right.
I think my issue with that is that Lex Luthor did try to save everyone. The problem was that he lives in a world where superpowered beings misuse their power all the time. So, him being distrustful of Superman is like us not trusting China. As for Superman, he literally is hoarding technology to solve every problem on Earth in his ice fortress. He could give everyone superpowers, he could cure every disease, but he doesn't. Within a few minutes of having his powers Lex was able to immediately solve a bunch of problems, then he was chastised for wanting to have more time with those powers to use them to help people because he apparently could have done those things without powers. But, the thing is, he couldn't. A scientist can't just cure cancer without a lot of money, and Lex Luthor was limited by being a human. What's Superman's excuse for not mapping out the human genome within five minutes after learning that it would benefit humanity immensely? I get the sentiment, but on closer analysis, Superman looks like an apathetic deity, and Lex seems more like a converted cultist who was finally converted into the religion of Superman.
@@qty1315 Except Lex could already do that as well without the powers heck that was the whole point of the scene, as Superman says " If it had really mattered to you, you would've done it years ago".
@@michealfoster4411 I know he could have. That's not the point. The point is that for Lex as a human to do those things he would need to spend years of his life and billions of dollars to do those things, but for Superman it would only take five minutes, and for Lex with those powers it only took a few seconds. It feels more like a billionaire telling a homeless guy "You could be a billionaire if you tried harder." The billionaire is so out-of-touch with reality that he thinks that what he said is some sort of divine wisdom, but it isn't. It's just a person who has possessed so much power for so long that they can no longer really understand the struggles of others.
@@qty1315 Except he already has? Lex has been a mill/billionaire for years before Clark even showed up at Metropolis and never did anything ' for the good of humanity' that didn't benefit him the most. Heck the disease is flat out wrong since Lex has shown to have the cures for deadly diseases but will never share them since it would hurt his income. You are trying to make Clark out to be uncaring dictator/god telling the poor mortal Lex that he is wrong for going against him and trying to gain power " to save everyone" when Lex already had that power for years before Superman showed up and choose not to at every opportunity.
@@michealfoster4411 A lot of Lexcorps projects have benefitted humanity greatly. Yes, he does it for the glory and praise, but so does Superman. Does it really matter that he isn't doing something for the 'right' reasons if he's still helping people? Does it matter that much if he's curing cancer for his own selfish reasons if he, you know, cures cancer?
And even that was the case, just because it was in the comics doesn't mean it doesn't suck, and it's certainly not an excuse for bad storytelling and characterisation divorced from the source material. Sure, Captain America saying "Hail HYDRA" in Endgame came from a widely-reviled comic, but they took one of the most derided moments in recent comic book history and made it into one of the best moments from Endgame - reappropriating a version of Steve Rogers' allegiance to HYDRA into him fucking with neo-Nazis.
And I will always day the same thing... If I have to look for outside material to understand what I'm reading... I won't, because it clearly wasn't important enough to be pointed out in the media I'm looking at.
Zack Snyder completely changed the public’s perception of Lex Luthor. He was considered an icon before, but now he's a joke and a niche character. #DoNotRestoreTheSnyderVerse
I personally want changes to this universe. I want the Shazam Director to direct a Superman movie to turn the character into the hero he is meant to be. Have Shazam teach him how to be the hero he is meant to be.
True story I hate this version of Lex so much that when he appeared in the post credits scene for the Whedon cut of Justice League I was begging Deathstroke to shoot him on the spot.
I actually imagined a full scene where Slade kills Lex Jr to keep him quiet because the real mastermind wanted to ...keep their Society a Secret. I had about 5 possibilities who hired him including Lex Sr. who faked his death and Jr is a defective clone with false memory.
Ironically, I thought Luthor's rant to Superman was one of the smarter dialogues in the movie, except it comes form nowhere and feels as if it's just Snyder blathering on through the character about his own cynical deconstructionist views on superheroes. The fact that Superman didn't have a counter to that despite it being pretty easy for anyone versed on the subject really highlights how bad this movie is from a philosophical perspective.
the REAL lex luthor would never make something more powerful than himself and not be able to control it. if DD killed supes, what then? lex had no plan beyond that. god, i fucking hate this lex.
Missed opportunity - he should have had an "I am your master and you will do what I say!" moment with Doomsday, before getting the crap beaten out of him. I'd do that with a potential "Lex creates a subservient Superman clone who becomes Bizarro" story.
It feels like Zack Snyder told Jesse Eisenberg to do the same sort of shtick he did when he played Mark Zuckerberg in The Social Network, but forgot at the time that he doesn't have Aaron Sorkin's ability to write snappy dialogue (which was the main reason why that performance was so great) or an overall tone to the movie that such a performance would fit well in. The end result: This goofy, nonsensical, and just plain strange portrayal of Lex Luthor that fits about as well into BvS as a square peg into a round hole.
Something annoying about how this Luthor is written is that it's completely unnecessary for him to be behind everything in the movie. What is the point? It looks like the plot in Africa is Superman facing the consequences for operating in the real world, but everything is Luthor's doing so the subplot doesn't go anywhere. Batman was set on killing Superman even before any of this so there wasn't any need for it. The need to make Luthor look like a super genius just drags down the movie since everything has to be his doing.
Little note from the future: That bit about just make some Kryptonite bullets and shoot him? Yeah Bloodsport took that advice before he led his own Suicide Squad team in The Suicide Squad. So yeah, a villain I’d never heard of till like 2 days ago when I watched The Suicide Squad was more effective than Lex Luthor in fighting Superman. We don’t see it admittedly but still there ya go.
It's almost as if Luthor didn't want to kill Superman right away, and instead wanted to manipulate him into killing the detective superhero who was on his tail first. Paying attention to a movie while watching it does wonders.
One common defense I've seen for Lex Jr boils down to "They made Eisenberg bald at the end. He hates Superman. He's in charge if the business. He's clearly THE Lex Luthor.", as if to say "it's no good asking for Lex Sr to show up so he can take over and blow Eisenberg out of the water, you're stuck with this version, like it or not". And here I am thinking "You're not resorting to the same nonsense logic that justifies Shinzon in Star Trek: Nemesis?" At least Shinzon was a clone of Picard raised in a different environment, so it's not too implausible for him to have a completely different personality from the original Picard and have little else in common besides baldness.
I love the concept of "evil cannot comprehend good". Villains are cynical, that's what makes them effective-they see the flaws in other people and so can exploit them. Thing is, it's not used well. The flaws of Batman and Superman aren't consistent or in-character enough. Think about Khan- he knows Kirk is all about optimism, and so he uses that optimism to lure him into complacency. He understands pride, so he hurts Kirk's pride. He knows what an admiral would do, and acts on those assumptions. He was defeated because Kirk's optimism came back and was out-strategized. We see this in the BBEGs in fantasy: Darth Sidious always has faith in people's personality flaws and exploiting them, basically using everyone's total arrogance and complacency to corrupt an angry and confused young man, but dismissed any possibility of that same man having remorse and being able to do something selfless. He assumed Luke would do the natural thing and take revenge. Sauron's entire plan was assuming that everyone wanted power even for self-preservation and no one would reject that power. What are Batman and Superman's flaws? Well, Batman is cynical and Superman is emotional? I guess? But his scheme doesn't really use those enough to make sense. It has too many steps, and Superman and Batman aren't well defined enough, and he doesn't do enough. how about Lex helping Bruce design the anti-Superman weapons?-"I don't like what happened in Gotham either and together we can stop it from happening again" Or how about Lex instilling the idea in Superman of class conflict, this rich guy using his money to beat up poor people? He could present himself as someone with common interests and play them off. Like I felt that Harvey Dent's corruption was pretty contrived and rushed in the Dark Knight trilogy, but being driven insane by mutilation and grief with Batman being the scapegoat still makes some sense. Snyder just can't make effective villains- I think he can't really grasp someone who is smarter than stronger than the heroes, or want to write that in a script.
Im happy to see Linkara talk about this because just two years ago, most people were afraid to say anything bad about this movie or that you were against the Snyder Cut because you are a fan of the Iconic versions of the DC characters. I got raked over the coles in thr comments of one video because of my position on the Snyderverse, I needed to be taken down a peg because I was "Anti-Fandom" and that Zack's Vison was bigger and more important than me or the other fans of the iconic versions. The Snyder Cultists are very vocal and they will tolerate no descent.
This is another reason why I prefer Civil War over BvS. Zemo was simple. His family died in Age of Ultron, he blamed the avangers for it so he wanted revange. Simple, but effective. Lex's whole thing could be summrized like this: Step 1: Make Superman and Batman fight each other Step 2: ???? Step 3: Profit
at one point someone told Dennis Hopeless (writer of Avengers Arena) that the Snyderverse version of Lex was just like Avengers Arena version of Arcade, and Hopeless' response was "YOU'RE 100% RIGHT AND I CAN'T UNSEE IT"
Lex killing congress and the DCEU never addressing how this massive governmental destabilization affects the US has the same energy as Shinzon killing the Romulan senate in Star Trek Nemesis, Pickard killing Shinzon, and the movie barely addressing what happens to the Romulan government afterwards. The difference is that Romulus blew up and the US didn't. Probably.
All his endless rambling about gods among men and Greek god rants, has anyone told this live action Looney Tune that the Greek gods are actually real? Or that the wrath of the Christian god has a physical form as a ghostly guy in a green cloak who brings down vengeance on criminals? Hell the wizard Shazam’s been trying to find a person to take the powers of various gods long before Superman showed up based on how Shazam’s movie opened and Black Adam has probably been around longer than that Like this Lex is so stupidly obsessed with gods, dude the universe you inhabit has all pantheons of gods existing at the same time where they regularly fight with each other over who created the universe first.
We can just add that to the list of things that indicate that Snyder, Goyer and Terrio just don’t get the DC universe. By the way, Terrio also dropped the ball when it came to Star Wars, so let’s keep him away from any further franchises lest he be inconsistent with their established continuity.
What’s funny to me is even as someone who is very neutral to Star Wars preferring superhero movies and media, I found it kinda hilarious that Terrio had it be Leia’s death being what turned Kylo Ren good in an instant. I mean it’s not as awkward to me as the Martha thing but he once again connected a character’s major shift in morality with mom. It’s just weird man.
The problem is that lex luthor in the comics and animated series he is a charming diabolical buissness man. Like clancy brown. This one looks like carrot top wants to take over the world.
@@christheleavittman7080 I'm pretty sure he was referring to the guy who was his double at Arkham to trick the guards into thinking he was still there until they saw his face.
Personally, if I was doing this, I'd have modelled Luthor more on Elon Musk (seriously, along with the fake futurism, the man is an utter scumbag, look at his treatment of Tesla employees and "we'll coup whoever we want" tweet) and cast Nicolas Cage in the role.
Lex is definitely evil as a billionaire... but he does good. For his own sake, but he has done good. Musk is an utter sociopathic, racist POS more evil than Lex. Hell, Lex fills his end of bargains.
My biggest gripe with Lex in this movie is that he's obviously cuckoo for cocoa puffs and so obviously villainous...and the narrative seems to ignore that, with few to no one suspecting him of doing anything. And yes, there are people in real life who are obviously cuckoo for cocoa puffs and so obviously villainous that still have a good chunk of supporters (cough, Trump, cough), but that doesn't give the impression that the obvious villain has enough charisma to get away with it, it just makes his supporters look dumb or complicit in his evil deeds. Freaking Ego the Living Planet from Guardians of the Galaxy 2 and Mysterio from Spider-Man: Far From Home came closer to fooling me than Lex Jr ever did.
If you think charisma is the only thing that allows people like Trump to get away with what they do, you understand very little about how the world works.
They had Jesse Eisenberg... and they didn't Cast him as Jimmy Olsen?.... That just baffles me. Unconventional Casting Choices can work (e.g. Robbie Daymond as the English voice of Goro Akechi in Persona 5, Kevin Michael Richardson as The Joker in The Batman, Kathryn Hahn as Agatha Harkness or Freddie Prince Jr as Kanan Jarrus)... but this is just an awful combination of Miscasting and misdirection in my eyes.
The actor does have the mannerisms for the Riddler, and I can honestly see Jesse Eisenberg playing the DCEU version of Riddler than the actual Lex Luthor.
It's not so much that Lex is like The Joker in this so much as he's trying desperately to BE The Joker, but all he can manage is that one guy on open mike night whose standup routine never got more than a disinterested cough.
The first time I saw this in theaters I got a migraine every time Lex talked. When I watched it again on home video (I tried Stockholm Syndroming myself into liking it) I loudly booed the first time I saw ol' Lexie Eisenluther. And just to clarify, this isn't a criticism of Jessie Eisenberg as a person or an actor. He might be a really cool, friendly guy in real life. I just really really don't like this interpretation of this character.
"This isn't a criticism of Jesse, I just loudly booed at his performance like a total weirdo because he didn't play a character who's been around for over 80 years the exact way I wanted"
the two biggest betrayals of this Luthor is the fact that he doesn't seem like a inventor or have much scientific expertise by doing machines that can aid him on defeating Superman. simply using kryptonian tech. second is the obvious insanity. Lex thinks himself as untouchable and sane over everyone else. it is just stupid if he hates Superman over him not saving him from this father, he was envious. mostly making excuses for himself, saying that Superman's very presence makes mankind be reliant on him. none of these meaningless rambles about gods.
Ultimately, Lex is envious of Superman, of his power, of the fact he is beloved while Luthor is hated, the fact he can't beleive that Superman is actually better than him so fights to either prove that Superman ISN'T or murder Superman just so he can stop thinking about him. This Lex....doesn't seem to have ANY reason to want Superman OR batman dead, and so we get a problem.
@@sarafontanini7051 from what I read (& heard from Snyder fans) is that to "get" this Lex luthor I have to read Superman Birthright by Mark weid. I read it you know what this potrayal is even more dumber after reading it. Birthright is sort of taking both Clark/Superman & Lex luthor's origins of rivalry from Smallville TV series, silver age & somewhat make it Canon for the comics (also pad it out with pretentious philosophical & Jesus talks like Snyder). The main problem is Smallville Lex is 21 years old (when the series begins) unlike Weid's comic he is incredibly smart but smug, doesn’t like his father & intends to carve his own path among many other things. The series begins with Clark saving Lex from a crash, both becoming best friends & over the course of 10 seasons seeing both best friends become bitter rivals. For Smallville Lex it's a combination of many things, but with Michael Roosenbaum's potrayal him being the best Live-action Lex luthor as a well rounded character ( 2nd being Jon cryer). Now since that comic is obviously taking everything it can from Smallville, it makes much more sense for Michael to be the Lex if they ever adapt parts of it. Even Michael himself said he will be more than happy to play a different iteration of Lex, at the time when Snyder started casting Michael was completely free. WB & Snyder have this idea that they want to be prestigious & win Oscars like The Dark knight, they forgot however that the part of Joker was written specifically with Heath ledger in mind & Heath knew that he gave exactly what Nolan wanted. Eisenberg thought up until shooting that he was going to play the riddler not Lex luthor that gives you the explanation of why he acts the way he acts.
I'm reminded of Scarecrow in Batman Arkham Knight, his whole ordeal was not to kill Batman but humiliate him. Making the world see him as nothing but a weak scared man whose a fraud at what they stand for, especially when some villains say that killing the hero is too easy, and become martyrs. It's more about making them suffer mentally, This version of Lex Luthor could've just told Superman that it's not enough for me to see you as a pretender of justice, I want everyone to share my opinion on you and other so-called "heroes".
Ranking the Lex Luthors; 1: Clancy Brown 2: Jon Cryer 3: Michael Rosenbaum 4: Gene Hackman 5: Every actor whose played Lex in a Superman porn parody 6: Jesse Eisenberg 7: Kevin Spacey
@@mitchellcowan2500 ... Uh, I'm guessing you haven't heard about the whole sexual assault thing? And the 3 of his accusers turning up dead within the same calendar year under mysterious circumstances?
Hmm... I'd personaly put Rosenbaum on the top of that list with Clancy being no.2... Don't know why, I always prefered Rosenbaums take on the character.
also even if we accept the really vague thing about Lex hating gods or whatever, why does he want BATMAN killed? What has BATMAN done to earn Lex's ire? what does Luthor GET out of this convoluted, nonsense plan?
I think the idea is that Lex is acknowledging that only Batman has a chance of defeating Superman. But at the same time it feels a bit out of nowhere since his objection to Superman is very... convoluted.
@@fluidthought42 but why get Batman when there are literal gods out there? This ain't Marvel, gods here are as powerful as cosmic beings. At least that's my takeaway from Lewis' Infinity reviews and what I see in the MCU (Ego is more powerful than all of Asgard, Adam Warlock is also incredibly powerful...)
@@shis1988 Well from this Lex's anti-theist(?) standpoint, he'd be opposed to any god or gods period. Not to mention as a man of science and a CEO, the universe hasn't devolved yet to where the existence of magic and religious deities are basically common knowledge especially to the rich and powerful. Compare to Jane!Thor's comic run where Roxxon's CEO is a minotaur and they're doing fracking in Alfheim. In that universe a CEO with a grudge against someone like Clark would just hire a rogue sorcerer or make a pact with a devil because comic books. The Snyderverse is less open to that degree of comic book silliness. In any case Lex in any incarnation is usually way too proud to ever make a deal with any devil where he didn't outmaneuver any infernal parties into selling all of Hell over to Lexcorp for the lease to own price of the memory of a child's laughter every new moon (easily achievable with a newly established "charity" program to be run for underprivileged inner city kids). In other words, it's just not Lex's style, either in the comics or in the Snyderverse.
The ironic thing is that Zack Snyder's interpretation of Lex Luthor is universally disliked for the same reasons why people like Zack Snyder's interpretation of Superman. Zack Snyder's interpretation of Lex Luthor is a different take on Lex Luthor's character.
Lex Luthor Jr might as well be Joker #2 in this case but without the IQ that the real Lex Luthor and heck, even the real Joker have because none of his plans make any real sense and he's just crazy and awkward! Trying to get Batman and Superman to kill each other who don't even know each other at all and just hate each other for no reason at all without understanding the intention of it or Luthors motivations behind it! WHAT WAS YOUR REAL PLAN, LEX?! And the creation of Doomsday was just lame!
@@tolchok89 If Batman does kill Superman, then Lex will either stop the process or let Doomsday destroy the world, thinking that the monster obeys only him, and that Doomsday won't kill him. That's just a theory on my part.
Who else prefers Lenny luthor over this also snyderverse lex is more like the riddler Also here if I was lex I would make a kryptonite bullet and a gun made of lead and then a room made of lead and and input kryptonite gas and send a message to superman (lex knew Clark is uperman somehow or just like the OG movie a message at the correct frequency that him and dogs can hear) and tell him he needs to meet to tell something and he has to do it alone and then when he is in with no way to see through open the gas and then shut him done it's so easy
Snyder Lex feels more like someone who would steal 40 cakes when no one's looking And while four 10s is indeed horrible, that doesn't really scream adversary of Superman
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I think my problem with Lex's plan is that it seemingly robs the characters of their own volition. Like the heroes can't do anything if it's not part of Lex's master plan.
@@autobotproductions1244 Have you ever noticed that the heroes in Snyder's movies tend to accept their supposedly preordained fates? Even the presence of a Knightmare scene at the end of the Justice League director's cut indicates that the Knightmare is fated to happen, no matter how many times Barry goes through the Speedforce to prevent it.
@@tolchok89 now that you mention it, that does seem to happen a lot. funny enough, I'm reminded in JLU when GL decides not to be destiny's puppet. That if him and Hawkgirl get back together, it'll be because they chose to, not because destiny says so. I find that to be more impactful
Even Kevin Spacey was a better Luthor. At least he had the look down. Gene Hackman’s Luthor was kind of stupid but at least he was a force of personality. I mean, “Miss TESSMACHER!” And I could at least believe he could pull off his schemes, as silly as they were. This Luthor’s just a weirdo with plot convenience powers.
You need to understand. Luthor's entire point in this movie is that "Man can beat God". Unfortunately, this is the Snyderverse, and we all know which side the narrative will always take. That and my belief that this Luthor is supposed to be more akin to the Luthor of the Silver Age. All it was missing was his silly green outfit.
Okay, so explaining this, Lex hates Superman because it would make mankind less independent and fall victim to the idea of a false savior and make them vulnerable, just like he was in his youth, so he found strength in himself when he took matters into his own hands. His plan is not simply kill Superman, but destroy him, that is why he said he can neither be all powerful nor all good, when killing Batman would put blood on his hands, and with “Doomsday” he would be able to kill Superman, a being more powerful than he is, so that no one would mourn for Superman. For the candy scene, it was to symbolize that the government was putty in his hands, and pretty sure it was because his fingers were sticky and licked it up from the fingers. And Jesse’s Lex is based on Birthright Lex which is a younger and more unhinged. For Kryptonite bullets, don’t think that would work for Superman would dodge them, considering he is faster than speeding bullets and [spoiler] in a future film, Deadshot would attempt to kill Superman with a Kryptonite bullet from behind but Supes dodges and defeats DS. Not sure what you mean about Batman being done being Batman at the party scene, he just goes with the invitation, he is just having a more subtle approach. The intention of the brand was to let criminals know Batman was watching him, and that was basically just one confirmed death and that was at Lex’s hands as that information was withheld, the brand just causes unrest with other inmates, Superman figured out about Batman when he got to Gotham when he wanted to talk to that girl about Africa. For Wally, Lex yes intercepted the checks and sent them back to Bruce to guilt trip him because in Bruce’s mindset he was responsible for the loss of life despite it being beyond his control, for 20 years Bruce’s former methods were not making a difference with people he cares about dying or being corrupted which he became more cold and brutal. And for Africa, he didn’t use bullets to frame Superman, he burned their corpses because related to Heat Vision which would destroy evidences that those victims were shot as the bullets would melt under those conditions. It is rather clear that Lex wanted Batman to steal the Kryptonite by the smile at the end, but needed to keep the appearance that he was robbed to the public. Well, no necessarily make the hate pointless as Lex believes would still give Superman a justified reason to kill Batman despite the kidnapping and with what Batman does and what Clark learns from Gotham.
The problems there is the execution. It’s not made very clear why Lex hates Supes in this version solely by watching the movie, just rambling about ff and sins just makes people confused. The candy scene is just…weird and unnecessary as just them doing as he says would convey the same message, and I’m fairly sure there’s a reason Bald Industrialist Lex has more staying power than an obscure Elseworld version. Him being the one to make Doomsday is antithetical to his stance on anti superhumans as he essentially made one far more destructive and uncontrollable than Supes was. The flamethrowers are also not at all enough to simulate the heat vision and anyone looking would be able to spot the difference. Linkara addressed this earlier in the review. The Kryptonite Bullets not only make more sense than a Kryptonite spear, it would have actually helped Batman’s sub-story, showing him how far he’s truly fallen that now he’s gleefully using guns, the very thing he despised. But then again, that subplot was botched in favor of the mistake on Dark Knight Returns anyway so nothing really lost there. There’s also how Lex knows Supes and Bat’s secret identities without any sort of explanation (something that Snyder did purposefully because much like most elements of Super Heroes, he hates the concept of secret identities working in this setting, which is something that’s integral to it, you can’t have Lord of the Rings without the Rings afterall). This is a problem cause he wouldn’t have done all the check intercepting and messing with Clark if he didn’t know, which just makes him look too much of a Villain Sue who’s just handed everything without effort. All in all its very messy execution. Glad you’re able to enjoy it where I can’t though.
@@LegendPurpleDragon152 Thank you for understanding my position and just going to say this, Pretty sure he made it clear with why he hates Superman, with what he went through as a kid and how he got out of it, and how Superman is projected onto the world and how he wants the world to see what he is not, a godlike being. For the candy scene, take that as you will, it is more swaying men of power to his side with the right treats, like dogs, LEx. Is more Birthright than Elseworlds but is besides the point. For Doomsday, he thought that adding his own blood would give him some form of control over Doomsday, which is sort of what he wanted, authority over others of power. Bullets do not really have that high of heat tolerance with only a few hundred degrees, while flamethrowers can reach up to 3000 degrees, even if it would to reach the same temperatures as Superman’s heat vision, it would still be enough to get rid of the evidence. Well it is not like he can’t set people no fire like when he did Martian Manhunter in injustice or heat objects at burning levels when he was a kid or perform microsurgery on Lois in MoS, it is clear he can manipulate it in more ways than just beams. As I said, Zack made a point of this with how Kryptonite Bullets would not work with how he would be able to dodge them even from behind, and it makes sense since he can react to the likes of Flash who can run at near light speed. Batman had to get it close to him as possible without Superman’s guard up, no way he would know of an attack he can’t see coming with a gas bomb right in front of his face, that show’s Batman strategy of getting your enemies where you want them. From a personality standpoint for Batman, it is rather the same situation, a revelation of him becoming someone that took his parents away, a failure he is constantly plagued with throughout the movie with others as well, that he sees Superman just as human as he was, and that he can make a change. You don’t think a criminal mastermind like Lex Luthor wouldn’t do research? Especially when he did research on other heroes as well? Well it is really the concept of comic books that come into play here saying that normal people do not believe these heroes are people they know at first glance and seen over and over again, it is basically the mind refusing to comprehend that these people that they believe to know could be able to do these things.
Except he keeps changing his motivations. And that is still not a concrete motivation for why Lex is doing this. Its convoluted and nonsensical. In the comics Lex's motivations are simple. Money and power. Superman is an obstacle to him. None of this over the top and pretentious nonsense about "gods". This is all a over complicated mess of a plan. Also, what is he going to do if Batman did kill Superman? Or what is he going to do about Doomsday after he kills Superman since he has no means of controlling Doomsday? This whole plan of Lex's is stupid. Its nonsensical and relies entirely on everyone being stupid for it to work.
@@GeneralKenobi75 he did not really change his motives, his motivation is pretty much what it is, to kill superman so that humanity does not become dependent of him and make them vulnerable when the kryptonian turns, in the comics, he wants to kill superman basically for the same reason, so that humanity will not become weak by depending on Supes, while they both may seem noble, it is shadowed by their egocentric personas of themselves and their own desires. Well if Batman did kill Superman, he would basically stop the doomsday plan since man killed “God”, for the other plan, he still has that Kryptonite shard which he can use to incapacity Doomsday or kill. He is a master genius who has to be two steps ahead of his competition.
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I'm reminded of All Star Superman, when Superman destroys the super power formula, resulting in my favorite exchange.
Luthor: With it, I could've saved everyone.
Superman: If you really wanted that, you would've done that a long time ago.
Luthor: You're right.
I think my issue with that is that Lex Luthor did try to save everyone. The problem was that he lives in a world where superpowered beings misuse their power all the time. So, him being distrustful of Superman is like us not trusting China.
As for Superman, he literally is hoarding technology to solve every problem on Earth in his ice fortress. He could give everyone superpowers, he could cure every disease, but he doesn't. Within a few minutes of having his powers Lex was able to immediately solve a bunch of problems, then he was chastised for wanting to have more time with those powers to use them to help people because he apparently could have done those things without powers.
But, the thing is, he couldn't. A scientist can't just cure cancer without a lot of money, and Lex Luthor was limited by being a human. What's Superman's excuse for not mapping out the human genome within five minutes after learning that it would benefit humanity immensely?
I get the sentiment, but on closer analysis, Superman looks like an apathetic deity, and Lex seems more like a converted cultist who was finally converted into the religion of Superman.
@@qty1315 Except Lex could already do that as well without the powers heck that was the whole point of the scene, as Superman says " If it had really mattered to you, you would've done it years ago".
@@michealfoster4411 I know he could have. That's not the point. The point is that for Lex as a human to do those things he would need to spend years of his life and billions of dollars to do those things, but for Superman it would only take five minutes, and for Lex with those powers it only took a few seconds.
It feels more like a billionaire telling a homeless guy "You could be a billionaire if you tried harder." The billionaire is so out-of-touch with reality that he thinks that what he said is some sort of divine wisdom, but it isn't. It's just a person who has possessed so much power for so long that they can no longer really understand the struggles of others.
@@qty1315 Except he already has? Lex has been a mill/billionaire for years before Clark even showed up at Metropolis and never did anything ' for the good of humanity' that didn't benefit him the most. Heck the disease is flat out wrong since Lex has shown to have the cures for deadly diseases but will never share them since it would hurt his income.
You are trying to make Clark out to be uncaring dictator/god telling the poor mortal Lex that he is wrong for going against him and trying to gain power " to save everyone" when Lex already had that power for years before Superman showed up and choose not to at every opportunity.
@@michealfoster4411 A lot of Lexcorps projects have benefitted humanity greatly. Yes, he does it for the glory and praise, but so does Superman. Does it really matter that he isn't doing something for the 'right' reasons if he's still helping people?
Does it matter that much if he's curing cancer for his own selfish reasons if he, you know, cures cancer?
People claim that this Lex is based on the one from the comic Superman: Birthright. So I read Birthright and…the two Lex Luthor’s are nothing alike.
And even that was the case, just because it was in the comics doesn't mean it doesn't suck, and it's certainly not an excuse for bad storytelling and characterisation divorced from the source material.
Sure, Captain America saying "Hail HYDRA" in Endgame came from a widely-reviled comic, but they took one of the most derided moments in recent comic book history and made it into one of the best moments from Endgame - reappropriating a version of Steve Rogers' allegiance to HYDRA into him fucking with neo-Nazis.
Proof number 9999 that no one that wrote this movie had ever read a Superman story
And I will always day the same thing...
If I have to look for outside material to understand what I'm reading...
I won't, because it clearly wasn't important enough to be pointed out in the media I'm looking at.
Zack Snyder completely changed the public’s perception of Lex Luthor. He was considered an icon before, but now he's a joke and a niche character.
#DoNotRestoreTheSnyderVerse
You literally have no data to back this claim up.
Your only source is the nightmares you've been having over a movie from six years ago
I personally want changes to this universe. I want the Shazam Director to direct a Superman movie to turn the character into the hero he is meant to be. Have Shazam teach him how to be the hero he is meant to be.
I haven’t seen anybody take about Lex Luthor at all good or bad in the past decade
This luthor looks like Carrott top who wants to take over the world.
True story I hate this version of Lex so much that when he appeared in the post credits scene for the Whedon cut of Justice League I was begging Deathstroke to shoot him on the spot.
I actually imagined a full scene where Slade kills Lex Jr to keep him quiet because the real mastermind wanted to ...keep their Society a Secret. I had about 5 possibilities who hired him including Lex Sr. who faked his death and Jr is a defective clone with false memory.
I, on the other hand, expected him to become a giggling amalgamation of the Riddler and Pre-Crisis!Luthor.
Lex Luthor: "To put it plainly, Mr. Wilson, shouldn't we have a *league* of our o-"
*bang* *bang* *bang*
Deathstroke: "Nnnnope!"
@@sebastianemond5313 You shoulda gone for a *legion,* Lexy...
The bald inmate who took his place in Josstice League seemed like a BETTER Lex than Columbus there.
Ironically, I thought Luthor's rant to Superman was one of the smarter dialogues in the movie, except it comes form nowhere and feels as if it's just Snyder blathering on through the character about his own cynical deconstructionist views on superheroes. The fact that Superman didn't have a counter to that despite it being pretty easy for anyone versed on the subject really highlights how bad this movie is from a philosophical perspective.
I wanted Superman to just say “that’s stupid” and punch him
@@thegayghost872 honestly I wanted him to Hulk smash him like said character did to Loki in Avengers.
the REAL lex luthor would never make something more powerful than himself and not be able to control it. if DD killed supes, what then? lex had no plan beyond that.
god, i fucking hate this lex.
Missed opportunity - he should have had an "I am your master and you will do what I say!" moment with Doomsday, before getting the crap beaten out of him.
I'd do that with a potential "Lex creates a subservient Superman clone who becomes Bizarro" story.
It feels like Zack Snyder told Jesse Eisenberg to do the same sort of shtick he did when he played Mark Zuckerberg in The Social Network, but forgot at the time that he doesn't have Aaron Sorkin's ability to write snappy dialogue (which was the main reason why that performance was so great) or an overall tone to the movie that such a performance would fit well in. The end result: This goofy, nonsensical, and just plain strange portrayal of Lex Luthor that fits about as well into BvS as a square peg into a round hole.
Come to think of it, That makes me interested to see Aaron Sorkin write a Political Drama Comic set in the DC Universe.
I could see a fix for this Luthor: He's just a failed clone of the real Lex held up somewhere.
@DC I'm pretty sure he's referencing this
@DC ah ok
@DC Which really makes you stop and ask, "Why didn't they just do that here? Clearly there's precedent in the source material."
Something annoying about how this Luthor is written is that it's completely unnecessary for him to be behind everything in the movie. What is the point? It looks like the plot in Africa is Superman facing the consequences for operating in the real world, but everything is Luthor's doing so the subplot doesn't go anywhere. Batman was set on killing Superman even before any of this so there wasn't any need for it.
The need to make Luthor look like a super genius just drags down the movie since everything has to be his doing.
ironically, the smarter they tried to make Lex, the more dumb the movie seems
Little note from the future: That bit about just make some Kryptonite bullets and shoot him? Yeah Bloodsport took that advice before he led his own Suicide Squad team in The Suicide Squad.
So yeah, a villain I’d never heard of till like 2 days ago when I watched The Suicide Squad was more effective than Lex Luthor in fighting Superman.
We don’t see it admittedly but still there ya go.
It's almost as if Luthor didn't want to kill Superman right away, and instead wanted to manipulate him into killing the detective superhero who was on his tail first.
Paying attention to a movie while watching it does wonders.
You do realize you sound like Dr Evil trying to explain to Scott why he doesn't just shoot Austin Powers?
One common defense I've seen for Lex Jr boils down to "They made Eisenberg bald at the end. He hates Superman. He's in charge if the business. He's clearly THE Lex Luthor.", as if to say "it's no good asking for Lex Sr to show up so he can take over and blow Eisenberg out of the water, you're stuck with this version, like it or not".
And here I am thinking "You're not resorting to the same nonsense logic that justifies Shinzon in Star Trek: Nemesis?" At least Shinzon was a clone of Picard raised in a different environment, so it's not too implausible for him to have a completely different personality from the original Picard and have little else in common besides baldness.
I love the concept of "evil cannot comprehend good". Villains are cynical, that's what makes them effective-they see the flaws in other people and so can exploit them. Thing is, it's not used well. The flaws of Batman and Superman aren't consistent or in-character enough.
Think about Khan- he knows Kirk is all about optimism, and so he uses that optimism to lure him into complacency. He understands pride, so he hurts Kirk's pride. He knows what an admiral would do, and acts on those assumptions. He was defeated because Kirk's optimism came back and was out-strategized.
We see this in the BBEGs in fantasy: Darth Sidious always has faith in people's personality flaws and exploiting them, basically using everyone's total arrogance and complacency to corrupt an angry and confused young man, but dismissed any possibility of that same man having remorse and being able to do something selfless. He assumed Luke would do the natural thing and take revenge. Sauron's entire plan was assuming that everyone wanted power even for self-preservation and no one would reject that power.
What are Batman and Superman's flaws? Well, Batman is cynical and Superman is emotional? I guess? But his scheme doesn't really use those enough to make sense. It has too many steps, and Superman and Batman aren't well defined enough, and he doesn't do enough. how about Lex helping Bruce design the anti-Superman weapons?-"I don't like what happened in Gotham either and together we can stop it from happening again" Or how about Lex instilling the idea in Superman of class conflict, this rich guy using his money to beat up poor people? He could present himself as someone with common interests and play them off. Like I felt that Harvey Dent's corruption was pretty contrived and rushed in the Dark Knight trilogy, but being driven insane by mutilation and grief with Batman being the scapegoat still makes some sense.
Snyder just can't make effective villains- I think he can't really grasp someone who is smarter than stronger than the heroes, or want to write that in a script.
Im happy to see Linkara talk about this because just two years ago, most people were afraid to say anything bad about this movie or that you were against the Snyder Cut because you are a fan of the Iconic versions of the DC characters. I got raked over the coles in thr comments of one video because of my position on the Snyderverse, I needed to be taken down a peg because I was "Anti-Fandom" and that Zack's Vison was bigger and more important than me or the other fans of the iconic versions. The Snyder Cultists are very vocal and they will tolerate no descent.
This is another reason why I prefer Civil War over BvS.
Zemo was simple. His family died in Age of Ultron, he blamed the avangers for it so he wanted revange. Simple, but effective.
Lex's whole thing could be summrized like this:
Step 1: Make Superman and Batman fight each other
Step 2: ????
Step 3: Profit
at one point someone told Dennis Hopeless (writer of Avengers Arena) that the Snyderverse version of Lex was just like Avengers Arena version of Arcade, and Hopeless' response was "YOU'RE 100% RIGHT AND I CAN'T UNSEE IT"
Lex killing congress and the DCEU never addressing how this massive governmental destabilization affects the US has the same energy as Shinzon killing the Romulan senate in Star Trek Nemesis, Pickard killing Shinzon, and the movie barely addressing what happens to the Romulan government afterwards.
The difference is that Romulus blew up and the US didn't. Probably.
Yet another scene that serves as evidence towards the argument that this movie has the structural integrity of a Family Guy episode?
"Or just call it by its proper name. Dr Pepper"
*THEM'S FIGHTIN WORDS LEWIS!*
That's legit one of my favorite jokes since my time in the internet.
All his endless rambling about gods among men and Greek god rants, has anyone told this live action Looney Tune that the Greek gods are actually real? Or that the wrath of the Christian god has a physical form as a ghostly guy in a green cloak who brings down vengeance on criminals? Hell the wizard Shazam’s been trying to find a person to take the powers of various gods long before Superman showed up based on how Shazam’s movie opened and Black Adam has probably been around longer than that
Like this Lex is so stupidly obsessed with gods, dude the universe you inhabit has all pantheons of gods existing at the same time where they regularly fight with each other over who created the universe first.
We can just add that to the list of things that indicate that Snyder, Goyer and Terrio just don’t get the DC universe.
By the way, Terrio also dropped the ball when it came to Star Wars, so let’s keep him away from any further franchises lest he be inconsistent with their established continuity.
What’s funny to me is even as someone who is very neutral to Star Wars preferring superhero movies and media, I found it kinda hilarious that Terrio had it be Leia’s death being what turned Kylo Ren good in an instant.
I mean it’s not as awkward to me as the Martha thing but he once again connected a character’s major shift in morality with mom. It’s just weird man.
I think Diana's look of annoyance during his failed speech sums up all our feelings regarding this.
The problem is that lex luthor in the comics and animated series he is a charming diabolical buissness man.
Like clancy brown.
This one looks like carrot top wants to take over the world.
If I wanted to see a much better Lex Luthor I'll watch Superman TAS.
Or Smallville, or the Christopher Reeves movies, or the Young Justice version, or literally any version but this one
I’d rather watch the guy who took his place near the end of Josstice to be Lex Luthor.
@@MrBlueSkyof1607 That was still Jesse Eisenberg though
@@christheleavittman7080 I'm pretty sure he was referring to the guy who was his double at Arkham to trick the guards into thinking he was still there until they saw his face.
Hell let's just watch superman TAS instead of watching anything snyder makes
It's like they wanted this Lex to be Matt Smith's version of The Doctor, but forgot that he wasn't silly and eccentric all the time.
Is more a male Jodie Whittaker.
@@mayotango1317 Except Jodie Whittaker had a charm that Lex Jr lacks.
@@tolchok89 What charm?
Honest to God, Matt Smith would've been a better Lex Luthor by a country mile.
@@chwenhoou After watch Last Night in Soho...YES.
This movie thinks it’s so smart.
Bryan Cranston would've been perfect for Lex Luthor. Shame they didn't cast him.
Or Mark Strong. Before he was cast as Dr. Sivana in Shazam!
Or Clancy Brown, who not only play many great villains in movies but voiced Luthor in the DCAU.
Personally I would love to see Billy Zane play Lex Luthor.
Hell, ANYONE would have been a better Lex Luthor than Eisenberg.
So would have Billy Zane.
Personally, if I was doing this, I'd have modelled Luthor more on Elon Musk (seriously, along with the fake futurism, the man is an utter scumbag, look at his treatment of Tesla employees and "we'll coup whoever we want" tweet) and cast Nicolas Cage in the role.
While that is certainly a possibility, I prefer Lex to have a bit more class and subtlety in his debut for a version of a DC universe.
Nic Cage as Superman's Arch-Nemesis...Meta.
Lex is definitely evil as a billionaire... but he does good. For his own sake, but he has done good.
Musk is an utter sociopathic, racist POS more evil than Lex. Hell, Lex fills his end of bargains.
To say nothing of his Dubious treatment of his First wife during their Marriage.
He already acts like Musk in the movie.
He's a creepy tech-bro who talks in memes
Worst. Lex. Luthor. Ever.
My biggest gripe with Lex in this movie is that he's obviously cuckoo for cocoa puffs and so obviously villainous...and the narrative seems to ignore that, with few to no one suspecting him of doing anything.
And yes, there are people in real life who are obviously cuckoo for cocoa puffs and so obviously villainous that still have a good chunk of supporters (cough, Trump, cough), but that doesn't give the impression that the obvious villain has enough charisma to get away with it, it just makes his supporters look dumb or complicit in his evil deeds.
Freaking Ego the Living Planet from Guardians of the Galaxy 2 and Mysterio from Spider-Man: Far From Home came closer to fooling me than Lex Jr ever did.
If you think charisma is the only thing that allows people like Trump to get away with what they do, you understand very little about how the world works.
They had Jesse Eisenberg... and they didn't Cast him as Jimmy Olsen?....
That just baffles me.
Unconventional Casting Choices can work (e.g. Robbie Daymond as the English voice of Goro Akechi in Persona 5, Kevin Michael Richardson as The Joker in The Batman, Kathryn Hahn as Agatha Harkness or Freddie Prince Jr as Kanan Jarrus)... but this is just an awful combination of Miscasting and misdirection in my eyes.
This lex should've been the dceu riddler
The actor does have the mannerisms for the Riddler, and I can honestly see Jesse Eisenberg playing the DCEU version of Riddler than the actual Lex Luthor.
This Lex is trying to be Xanatos but is failing miserably
I'd love to see Jonathan Frakes voice Lex Luthor someday.
To be honest you need to have a very high IQ to understand this iteration of Lex Luthor.
"I'M PICKLE PEACH TEA!!!"
@@tolchok89 ha ha ha good one
It's not so much that Lex is like The Joker in this so much as he's trying desperately to BE The Joker, but all he can manage is that one guy on open mike night whose standup routine never got more than a disinterested cough.
Zack Snyder ruined Lex Luthor and that's a fact.
Actually...........
@@dylansharp8471 actually what?.
The first time I saw this in theaters I got a migraine every time Lex talked. When I watched it again on home video (I tried Stockholm Syndroming myself into liking it) I loudly booed the first time I saw ol' Lexie Eisenluther.
And just to clarify, this isn't a criticism of Jessie Eisenberg as a person or an actor. He might be a really cool, friendly guy in real life. I just really really don't like this interpretation of this character.
"This isn't a criticism of Jesse, I just loudly booed at his performance like a total weirdo because he didn't play a character who's been around for over 80 years the exact way I wanted"
the two biggest betrayals of this Luthor is the fact that he doesn't seem like a inventor or have much scientific expertise by doing machines that can aid him on defeating Superman. simply using kryptonian tech. second is the obvious insanity. Lex thinks himself as untouchable and sane over everyone else. it is just stupid if he hates Superman over him not saving him from this father, he was envious. mostly making excuses for himself, saying that Superman's very presence makes mankind be reliant on him. none of these meaningless rambles about gods.
Ultimately, Lex is envious of Superman, of his power, of the fact he is beloved while Luthor is hated, the fact he can't beleive that Superman is actually better than him so fights to either prove that Superman ISN'T or murder Superman just so he can stop thinking about him.
This Lex....doesn't seem to have ANY reason to want Superman OR batman dead, and so we get a problem.
@@sarafontanini7051 from what I read (& heard from Snyder fans) is that to "get" this Lex luthor I have to read Superman Birthright by Mark weid. I read it you know what this potrayal is even more dumber after reading it. Birthright is sort of taking both Clark/Superman & Lex luthor's origins of rivalry from Smallville TV series, silver age & somewhat make it Canon for the comics (also pad it out with pretentious philosophical & Jesus talks like Snyder). The main problem is Smallville Lex is 21 years old (when the series begins) unlike Weid's comic he is incredibly smart but smug, doesn’t like his father & intends to carve his own path among many other things. The series begins with Clark saving Lex from a crash, both becoming best friends & over the course of 10 seasons seeing both best friends become bitter rivals. For Smallville Lex it's a combination of many things, but with Michael Roosenbaum's potrayal him being the best Live-action Lex luthor as a well rounded character ( 2nd being Jon cryer). Now since that comic is obviously taking everything it can from Smallville, it makes much more sense for Michael to be the Lex if they ever adapt parts of it. Even Michael himself said he will be more than happy to play a different iteration of Lex, at the time when Snyder started casting Michael was completely free. WB & Snyder have this idea that they want to be prestigious & win Oscars like The Dark knight, they forgot however that the part of Joker was written specifically with Heath ledger in mind & Heath knew that he gave exactly what Nolan wanted. Eisenberg thought up until shooting that he was going to play the riddler not Lex luthor that gives you the explanation of why he acts the way he acts.
@@kazinadbiralamadit6905 He was supposed to play riddler? Damn that explains so much actually.
@@Ronin3453 actually when he read the script to him it felt like riddler & thus gave the exact performance he thought.
@@kazinadbiralamadit6905 yeah even Mark Waid has said that this Lex and the Lex he wrote for Superman Birthright are nothing alike.
I'm reminded of Scarecrow in Batman Arkham Knight, his whole ordeal was not to kill Batman but humiliate him. Making the world see him as nothing but a weak scared man whose a fraud at what they stand for, especially when some villains say that killing the hero is too easy, and become martyrs. It's more about making them suffer mentally, This version of Lex Luthor could've just told Superman that it's not enough for me to see you as a pretender of justice, I want everyone to share my opinion on you and other so-called "heroes".
Ranking the Lex Luthors;
1: Clancy Brown
2: Jon Cryer
3: Michael Rosenbaum
4: Gene Hackman
5: Every actor whose played Lex in a Superman porn parody
6: Jesse Eisenberg
7: Kevin Spacey
Out of curiosity, what put Spacey at the very bottom of the list?
@@mitchellcowan2500 ... Uh, I'm guessing you haven't heard about the whole sexual assault thing? And the 3 of his accusers turning up dead within the same calendar year under mysterious circumstances?
The sexual assault yes. His accusers being murdered I did not. Jeez!
@@mitchellcowan2500 For legal reasons I think we still have to say allegedly murdered, but yeah.
Hmm... I'd personaly put Rosenbaum on the top of that list with Clancy being no.2... Don't know why, I always prefered Rosenbaums take on the character.
also even if we accept the really vague thing about Lex hating gods or whatever, why does he want BATMAN killed? What has BATMAN done to earn Lex's ire?
what does Luthor GET out of this convoluted, nonsense plan?
I think the idea is that Lex is acknowledging that only Batman has a chance of defeating Superman. But at the same time it feels a bit out of nowhere since his objection to Superman is very... convoluted.
@@fluidthought42 but why get Batman when there are literal gods out there?
This ain't Marvel, gods here are as powerful as cosmic beings. At least that's my takeaway from Lewis' Infinity reviews and what I see in the MCU (Ego is more powerful than all of Asgard, Adam Warlock is also incredibly powerful...)
@@shis1988
Well from this Lex's anti-theist(?) standpoint, he'd be opposed to any god or gods period. Not to mention as a man of science and a CEO, the universe hasn't devolved yet to where the existence of magic and religious deities are basically common knowledge especially to the rich and powerful. Compare to Jane!Thor's comic run where Roxxon's CEO is a minotaur and they're doing fracking in Alfheim. In that universe a CEO with a grudge against someone like Clark would just hire a rogue sorcerer or make a pact with a devil because comic books.
The Snyderverse is less open to that degree of comic book silliness.
In any case Lex in any incarnation is usually way too proud to ever make a deal with any devil where he didn't outmaneuver any infernal parties into selling all of Hell over to Lexcorp for the lease to own price of the memory of a child's laughter every new moon (easily achievable with a newly established "charity" program to be run for underprivileged inner city kids).
In other words, it's just not Lex's style, either in the comics or in the Snyderverse.
Man this movie was and is still trash no matter how many people defend it.
The ironic thing is that Zack Snyder's interpretation of Lex Luthor is universally disliked for the same reasons why people like Zack Snyder's interpretation of Superman. Zack Snyder's interpretation of Lex Luthor is a different take on Lex Luthor's character.
Nobody likes Snyder Superman
@@mayotango1317 I do, congrats you're wrong.
20 bucks you're gonna follow this comment up with something along the lines of "then you're a moron"
@@gaminggalaxies6633 Please, just watch the tv show Superman & Lois for a real Superman.
@@mayotango1317 "a real Superman" Uh huh.
Wasn't interested in the show before, now I somehow care less.
@@gaminggalaxies6633 Really? You are so childish. That show is so great after so many years of bad Superman.
At this rate you'll have reuploaded his entire review in a few weeks, which'll be useful when it inevitably gets taken down for no reason.
Linkara hates Dr. Pepper? Guess he sucks now.
If you think I’m serious you deserve it.
Lex Luthor Jr might as well be Joker #2 in this case but without the IQ that the real Lex Luthor and heck, even the real Joker have because none of his plans make any real sense and he's just crazy and awkward! Trying to get Batman and Superman to kill each other who don't even know each other at all and just hate each other for no reason at all without understanding the intention of it or Luthors motivations behind it! WHAT WAS YOUR REAL PLAN, LEX?! And the creation of Doomsday was just lame!
2:54 Lewis subtly dissing his former colleague and friend.
0:24 that reminds me, are you planning to upload Linkara’s Anton York clip?
That’s honestly a great idea.
Once again, thanks
I can never keep Lex's plan straight because the warlord stuff feels so disconnected from anything to do with the Batman side of things.
I think Lex's plan evolved as it went. His end goal is to kill or at least discredit Superman, but everything keeps getting in the way.
So, how would he have reigned in Doomsday had Supes not distracted Bats with "Save Martha"?
@@tolchok89 If Batman does kill Superman, then Lex will either stop the process or let Doomsday destroy the world, thinking that the monster obeys only him, and that Doomsday won't kill him. That's just a theory on my part.
Who else prefers Lenny luthor over this also snyderverse lex is more like the riddler
Also here if I was lex I would make a kryptonite bullet and a gun made of lead and then a room made of lead and and input kryptonite gas and send a message to superman (lex knew Clark is uperman somehow or just like the OG movie a message at the correct frequency that him and dogs can hear) and tell him he needs to meet to tell something and he has to do it alone and then when he is in with no way to see through open the gas and then shut him done it's so easy
Snyder Lex feels more like someone who would steal 40 cakes when no one's looking
And while four 10s is indeed horrible, that doesn't really scream adversary of Superman
All scripts should have a skeptical continuity final reader (like this guy) to double check all action movie scripts before production 🤣
It would be a great cost saving benefit to the studios. Also if script passes the production team should get an extra 20 million to produce movie correctly.
I think my problem with Lex's plan is that it seemingly robs the characters of their own volition. Like the heroes can't do anything if it's not part of Lex's master plan.
Considering the Calvinistic themes of Zack Snyder's previous films, it doesn't surprise me.
@@tolchok89 what do you mean?
@@autobotproductions1244 Have you ever noticed that the heroes in Snyder's movies tend to accept their supposedly preordained fates?
Even the presence of a Knightmare scene at the end of the Justice League director's cut indicates that the Knightmare is fated to happen, no matter how many times Barry goes through the Speedforce to prevent it.
@@tolchok89 now that you mention it, that does seem to happen a lot.
funny enough, I'm reminded in JLU when GL decides not to be destiny's puppet. That if him and Hawkgirl get back together, it'll be because they chose to, not because destiny says so. I find that to be more impactful
3:07 yes.
Had the movie been under a different writer and director, I actually do think that Jesse Eisenberg could’ve been a really great traditional Lex.
Even Kevin Spacey was a better Luthor. At least he had the look down. Gene Hackman’s Luthor was kind of stupid but at least he was a force of personality. I mean, “Miss TESSMACHER!” And I could at least believe he could pull off his schemes, as silly as they were. This Luthor’s just a weirdo with plot convenience powers.
8:53
You need to understand. Luthor's entire point in this movie is that "Man can beat God". Unfortunately, this is the Snyderverse, and we all know which side the narrative will always take.
That and my belief that this Luthor is supposed to be more akin to the Luthor of the Silver Age. All it was missing was his silly green outfit.
I actually really like this Lex Luthor. Sure it's not a definitive take, but I really like this eccentric sociopath as an alternate take.
but does it fit the movies tone
Hououin Kyoma: Blasphemy!
Okay, so explaining this, Lex hates Superman because it would make mankind less independent and fall victim to the idea of a false savior and make them vulnerable, just like he was in his youth, so he found strength in himself when he took matters into his own hands. His plan is not simply kill Superman, but destroy him, that is why he said he can neither be all powerful nor all good, when killing Batman would put blood on his hands, and with “Doomsday” he would be able to kill Superman, a being more powerful than he is, so that no one would mourn for Superman.
For the candy scene, it was to symbolize that the government was putty in his hands, and pretty sure it was because his fingers were sticky and licked it up from the fingers. And Jesse’s Lex is based on Birthright Lex which is a younger and more unhinged.
For Kryptonite bullets, don’t think that would work for Superman would dodge them, considering he is faster than speeding bullets and [spoiler] in a future film, Deadshot would attempt to kill Superman with a Kryptonite bullet from behind but Supes dodges and defeats DS.
Not sure what you mean about Batman being done being Batman at the party scene, he just goes with the invitation, he is just having a more subtle approach. The intention of the brand was to let criminals know Batman was watching him, and that was basically just one confirmed death and that was at Lex’s hands as that information was withheld, the brand just causes unrest with other inmates, Superman figured out about Batman when he got to Gotham when he wanted to talk to that girl about Africa. For Wally, Lex yes intercepted the checks and sent them back to Bruce to guilt trip him because in Bruce’s mindset he was responsible for the loss of life despite it being beyond his control, for 20 years Bruce’s former methods were not making a difference with people he cares about dying or being corrupted which he became more cold and brutal. And for Africa, he didn’t use bullets to frame Superman, he burned their corpses because related to Heat Vision which would destroy evidences that those victims were shot as the bullets would melt under those conditions. It is rather clear that Lex wanted Batman to steal the Kryptonite by the smile at the end, but needed to keep the appearance that he was robbed to the public. Well, no necessarily make the hate pointless as Lex believes would still give Superman a justified reason to kill Batman despite the kidnapping and with what Batman does and what Clark learns from Gotham.
“You sly dog. You had me monologuing!”
The problems there is the execution. It’s not made very clear why Lex hates Supes in this version solely by watching the movie, just rambling about ff and sins just makes people confused. The candy scene is just…weird and unnecessary as just them doing as he says would convey the same message, and I’m fairly sure there’s a reason Bald Industrialist Lex has more staying power than an obscure Elseworld version. Him being the one to make Doomsday is antithetical to his stance on anti superhumans as he essentially made one far more destructive and uncontrollable than Supes was.
The flamethrowers are also not at all enough to simulate the heat vision and anyone looking would be able to spot the difference. Linkara addressed this earlier in the review.
The Kryptonite Bullets not only make more sense than a Kryptonite spear, it would have actually helped Batman’s sub-story, showing him how far he’s truly fallen that now he’s gleefully using guns, the very thing he despised. But then again, that subplot was botched in favor of the mistake on Dark Knight Returns anyway so nothing really lost there.
There’s also how Lex knows Supes and Bat’s secret identities without any sort of explanation (something that Snyder did purposefully because much like most elements of Super Heroes, he hates the concept of secret identities working in this setting, which is something that’s integral to it, you can’t have Lord of the Rings without the Rings afterall). This is a problem cause he wouldn’t have done all the check intercepting and messing with Clark if he didn’t know, which just makes him look too much of a Villain Sue who’s just handed everything without effort.
All in all its very messy execution. Glad you’re able to enjoy it where I can’t though.
@@LegendPurpleDragon152 Thank you for understanding my position and just going to say this,
Pretty sure he made it clear with why he hates Superman, with what he went through as a kid and how he got out of it, and how Superman is projected onto the world and how he wants the world to see what he is not, a godlike being. For the candy scene, take that as you will, it is more swaying men of power to his side with the right treats, like dogs, LEx. Is more Birthright than Elseworlds but is besides the point. For Doomsday, he thought that adding his own blood would give him some form of control over Doomsday, which is sort of what he wanted, authority over others of power.
Bullets do not really have that high of heat tolerance with only a few hundred degrees, while flamethrowers can reach up to 3000 degrees, even if it would to reach the same temperatures as Superman’s heat vision, it would still be enough to get rid of the evidence. Well it is not like he can’t set people no fire like when he did Martian Manhunter in injustice or heat objects at burning levels when he was a kid or perform microsurgery on Lois in MoS, it is clear he can manipulate it in more ways than just beams.
As I said, Zack made a point of this with how Kryptonite Bullets would not work with how he would be able to dodge them even from behind, and it makes sense since he can react to the likes of Flash who can run at near light speed. Batman had to get it close to him as possible without Superman’s guard up, no way he would know of an attack he can’t see coming with a gas bomb right in front of his face, that show’s Batman strategy of getting your enemies where you want them. From a personality standpoint for Batman, it is rather the same situation, a revelation of him becoming someone that took his parents away, a failure he is constantly plagued with throughout the movie with others as well, that he sees Superman just as human as he was, and that he can make a change.
You don’t think a criminal mastermind like Lex Luthor wouldn’t do research? Especially when he did research on other heroes as well? Well it is really the concept of comic books that come into play here saying that normal people do not believe these heroes are people they know at first glance and seen over and over again, it is basically the mind refusing to comprehend that these people that they believe to know could be able to do these things.
Except he keeps changing his motivations. And that is still not a concrete motivation for why Lex is doing this. Its convoluted and nonsensical. In the comics Lex's motivations are simple. Money and power. Superman is an obstacle to him. None of this over the top and pretentious nonsense about "gods". This is all a over complicated mess of a plan. Also, what is he going to do if Batman did kill Superman? Or what is he going to do about Doomsday after he kills Superman since he has no means of controlling Doomsday? This whole plan of Lex's is stupid. Its nonsensical and relies entirely on everyone being stupid for it to work.
@@GeneralKenobi75 he did not really change his motives, his motivation is pretty much what it is, to kill superman so that humanity does not become dependent of him and make them vulnerable when the kryptonian turns, in the comics, he wants to kill superman basically for the same reason, so that humanity will not become weak by depending on Supes, while they both may seem noble, it is shadowed by their egocentric personas of themselves and their own desires. Well if Batman did kill Superman, he would basically stop the doomsday plan since man killed “God”, for the other plan, he still has that Kryptonite shard which he can use to incapacity Doomsday or kill. He is a master genius who has to be two steps ahead of his competition.
Hmm... nah. It does work.
No it doesn’t
@@tylerleach8796 wanna explain how from your own pesrpective? (also bc looks like Linkara's ability to connect the dotswasnt working in that moment.)
@@maskofshy Or, you know, you could explain why it works since you're the one putting it out there. It's on YOU to prove your point.